1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:00,720 Speaker 1: Matter of moments. 2 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 2: Five six six nine zero is our KAOAI Commas Spirit 3 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 2: Health text line if you want to interact with the 4 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: program again. Rod Smith's gonna join us after five o'clock. 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 2: Great news out there for the Broncos. Drake Greenlaw back 6 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: at practice. I like the tex line. You guys are funny. 7 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: We were playing the to a tongue by loa apology 8 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: earlier and you know, very quickly, so I had two 9 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: people agree with me and one agree with Dave. So 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: he had Dave. I'm amazed you put up with him 11 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: every single day, which, by the way, that that basically 12 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: comes in every day it's whatever. But then Ryan's right, 13 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: there's a week bleeping apology. And then Dave it was 14 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: weak and he really didn't known it. So if you 15 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: missed it earlier. To a tongue about La, he apologized, apologized, 16 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: but he added sort of some. 17 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: Context to it and some some nuance, and I don't know. 18 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: I think in the end, if you just apologize, you 19 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:53,959 Speaker 1: apologize and you move on. 20 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: All right, Let's hear a little bit from Sean Payton 21 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: mentioned Drake green Law. 22 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: He doesn't lie. 23 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: This is like a newer thing this year, doesn't want 24 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: to talk about players coming off injury or or players 25 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 2: that did get hurt. I just want to talk about injuries, period, 26 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 2: and so is naturally in the media has to ask questions. 27 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 2: I can't wait to have Parker Gabriel in here to 28 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: ask him how he tries to formulate some of these questions. 29 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 2: Most of the time, because the timing of these press conferences, 30 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: I have to usually be here or I'm in the 31 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 2: locker room getting interviews for the pregame. But here was 32 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: a Sean Paige when he was asked about Dre greenlaw. 33 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 3: These are the hypotheticals, right. I love him, you know, no, 34 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 3: I can't say anything about injury. He practiced today. He 35 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: practiced today. He's been working out like he's been rehabbing, 36 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 3: and today was a good day. 37 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: And him and Chris Thompson, of course have a special relationship. 38 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: As you can hear Chris trying to beg the question, 39 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: get more information. 40 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: And it's a big player, it's a big deal. 41 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: But you already know what Sean's going to say, but 42 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: that you, as the media member, kind of have to 43 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: ask the question. Anyways, It's one of these storylines of 44 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: the week. I mean, heck, I was watching Twitter come 45 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: into the show before everything was was out, and people 46 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: are like, I got to get some information on Drake 47 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: green Law. 48 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,119 Speaker 1: What do we hear them? What are we doing? 49 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: And we didn't get information until after practice had wrapped, 50 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: and that's when the media can let us know about 51 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: these things. Here's what Sean had to say about the 52 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: part injury. He's of course been placed on IR and 53 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: the next man up. 54 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 3: You never want to lose, you know, a guy that's 55 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 3: been dressing. You know, we'll have a next player ready, 56 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 3: and you know today was good practice for a number 57 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 3: of those guys that you know that have played and 58 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 3: some of them that haven't played as much. 59 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: But we'll be ready. 60 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: I believe it's going to be Calvin Throckmorton. Of course, 61 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: he's not commenting on that. He's not going to give 62 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: us that. I didn't see it in my own eyes 63 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: because I wasn't out of practice today, But that would 64 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: be my guest, a. 65 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: Guy that's been here with the team. 66 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: He was played out earlier by a buddy of mine 67 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 2: that Nick Gargiulo, probably would have been the next guy 68 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 2: up if he didn't get hurt during camp. Nick Garjulo, 69 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 2: who was their draft pick a couple of years ago 70 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: would have probably been the next option. 71 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: They're left guard. 72 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: It really liked Nick Gargulo, but you lose him and 73 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: so so technically you're on your fourth offensive lineman. 74 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:26,839 Speaker 1: Now. 75 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 2: I have seen a lot of people out talking about 76 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: Alex Polzchewski and would you like to put him in there? 77 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: He represents probably your next best offensive lineman. So if 78 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: your goal is to play the best five, then Alex 79 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: Polzchewski makes a lot of sense. 80 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: But it's the goal ultimately is to play a guy 81 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: that fits the best. In my opinion, that's Calvin's Rockmorton. 82 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: And I guess that's where Dave gets his whole like, 83 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: you're a big Calvin rock Morton guy, aren't you? 84 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: Because they keep bringing his name up. 85 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: We'll see again what Parker Gabriel has to say when 86 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: he joined me here in a little bit five six 87 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: six nine zero. Uh, let's see here. Georgie needs to 88 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: be active before the trade deadline. Sign Connor McGovern, trade 89 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: for Brice Hall, Jalen Waddle and Logan Wilson. 90 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: Jeez, that's it. You want anything else? 91 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: You know the players that you think you want. This 92 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 2: is such an interesting deal, and I listen, not everybody's 93 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 2: entitled to kind of fan. However, you need a fan 94 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: and say, uh, whatever you think the team needs or 95 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: or what you'd like to see them do. The only 96 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 2: thing that I would add here as far as my 97 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 2: perspective on it, is just just be careful with the 98 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: They need to do this thing, and if they don't 99 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: do this thing, then they clearly aren't focused on. 100 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: Winning anything this year. Like there's this mindset and. 101 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: Media members do this too, so it's not just that's 102 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: just the fans, but it's anybody. 103 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: There's this mindset that while I'm going to draw this 104 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: line in the sand and say you're competitive if you 105 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: do this thing that I want you to do, but 106 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: then if you don't do this thing, then I'm going 107 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: to criticize you as not being a team that takes 108 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: themselves seriously or thinks they're going to contend for anything, 109 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: which is just hogwash. It's nonsense. 110 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 2: It's creating and trying to play both sides really, because 111 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: you're you're creating an unrealistic scenario like, for example, you 112 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: need to trade for Jalen Wattle, and if you don't 113 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: trade for Jalen Waddle then you're not serious about winning. Well, 114 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 2: hold on, Jalen Wattle may not be available and the 115 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: price may be astronomical. There's a multi reasons why you 116 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: won't be able to acquire Jalen Waddle. 117 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: But you see what I did there? I created an argument. 118 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: I created a scenario where I get to criticize really 119 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: both sides. Now, if they somehow get Jalen Wattle, well 120 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: did I get to sit here and be like, hey, look, 121 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 2: you know I was right they got Jalen Waddle. 122 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: But then if they don't, oh boy. 123 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: This team they clearly are trying to set bo Nicks 124 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: up for success, which is the most hysterical arguments of 125 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: all time. 126 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: In my opinion, the best way. 127 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: To set him up for success is to try to 128 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: fix what's going on a left guard and bolset your 129 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: offensive line. Now, I'm not saying that, and I will 130 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 2: say that George Peyton needs to do this thing or 131 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: else he's not serious about this team and their potential 132 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 2: this year. They're very serious about this team and their 133 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: potential this year. I imagine they're going to be fielding 134 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: if not being active enough to see the price tag 135 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 2: on everybody. George says that for everything talked about that 136 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: for years. They get linked to trades all the time 137 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 2: because George makes that call. You want your gen to 138 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: make the call and you want him to find out 139 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 2: what the price tag is. Joel Patonio makes some sense 140 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 2: to me. We talked about him a bit yesterday with Cleveland. 141 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: That would fit with what you're trying to do there 142 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 2: at left guard. And he's thirty four years old, and 143 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 2: you know, Ben said he thinks he could be had 144 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,799 Speaker 2: for a fourth round pick, maybe even a young player 145 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: with it. I think you can end up getting him 146 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: just giving him forth. He's on a one year deal. 147 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 2: You may or may not be holding on to Ben 148 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: Powers after this year anyway. So for me, I'm looking 149 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: at the short end, long term, and I think you 150 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: can maybe establish both. But we gotta we got to 151 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: move past the drawing this line of either my my 152 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 2: team does the thing that I want them to do 153 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: or they're not serious. That's just a nonsense points And 154 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: I'm not saying you're doing that. I'm saying I've heard that. 155 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: I've seen that on Twitter. Even today there was a 156 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 2: myriad of tweets that were put out by Ricky and 157 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: if you're on Twitter, you know what that means. We're 158 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: saying that there are a bunch of wide receivers, Chrystal Lave, 159 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: Jacoby Myers, for example, we're gonna be We're gonna be traded, 160 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: or at least the Saints are more interested in trading 161 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: Chrystal Lave. And there was this like, Okay, Sean Payton, 162 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: go get Chrystal Lave. You don't want Chrystal Lave here. 163 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: I don't want Chrystal Lave. And I hope it never 164 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: happens to him. He's one severe hit away from never 165 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: playing football ever again, and potentially worse in his life 166 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: the amount of concussions that dude has had. So I'm 167 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 2: thrilled that he's still playing the game he loves until 168 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: he's still playing at a high level. But the Broncos 169 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: should not be dipping their toe in that at all. 170 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: In fact, a point that we made yesterday on the show. 171 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: Let's get too preachy, But the point we made yesterday 172 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: on the show was wide receiver might be pretty far 173 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 2: down the list of things that I actually want to 174 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: trade for. Anyways, right now, you're barely using the guys 175 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: you have. You're drafted a rookie this year, who you 176 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 2: had two great catches this last week. Really haven't tapped 177 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: too much into that. Marvin Mims supposed to be wide 178 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 2: receiver too, you barely tapped into that. 179 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: Corla Sudden, You're expected wide receiver. 180 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: One had one catch, So why are we trading for 181 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: a wide receiver when you're barely using the guys that 182 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: you have so. 183 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: Wide receivers one of the last things I'd be looking. 184 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: At right now if I'm the Broncos. If you need 185 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 2: to in the offseason, you can. You don't need to 186 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: do that now. I have Parker Gabriel join me in 187 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: studio coming up next. I'm very excited about that. A 188 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: hairy handed Jen too random hook and Kent. Most weeks 189 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: that wouldn't be a compliment, but this week it is 190 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: very nice, very nice. So I don't know, do you 191 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 2: like the international stuff? I mean, how many games have 192 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: you traveled to when it comes to the international? 193 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? 194 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 4: Second time for me. I went in twenty two. Okay, 195 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 4: that was Russell Wilson to kJ Hamler. If you want 196 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 4: to talk about some guys, Yeah, it was. 197 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: It was a good game. They were going to their 198 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: bye week after that. So then you start. 199 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 4: Thinking the first time, you're like, oh, man, if I 200 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 4: ever get to go back, maybe I'll do something on 201 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 4: the back end, go to mainland Western Europe this time 202 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 4: obviously no bye week, so yeah, none of that, right 203 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 4: back and right back to work, right. 204 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: Back to work. Yeah, I know. 205 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 2: We Sean even told us he intentionally did not want 206 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: any bye week. 207 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: He thinks that's kind of weird, right, Yeah. 208 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 4: It's also not exactly what I'd heard when the schedule 209 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 4: first came out. 210 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: So whether whether they. 211 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 4: Whether they really did say, hey, we don't, we don't 212 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 4: need the bye week, or whether it's an approach now 213 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 4: of we don't we don't need the bye week and 214 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 4: we never wanted a bye week in the first place. 215 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 4: Whichever way that actually is, you know, I think it's 216 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 4: an it's an approach, right, You got to just come back, 217 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 4: You got to get ready to go. And the Giants, 218 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 4: I mean, they can get after the passer that they're 219 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 4: they're kind of sporty now with Jackson Dart and Campscattaboth. 220 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: So it's an interesting one. 221 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 4: And it's the first time a team's coming back to 222 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 4: the Mountain or the Pacific time z I'm playing without 223 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 4: a buy so it's a it's a first another first 224 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 4: for for Shan Paydon. 225 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: Well, no, for sure, and it kind of reminded me 226 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: a little bit of last year when he voluntarily put 227 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: the team into another Thursday night game. Right He's like, oh, no, 228 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: we're going to do this, and I I mean, I 229 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: understood he thought he was doing a competitive advantage thing 230 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: for Cincinnati. Gave them a shorter week. I gave yourself 231 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: a little bit of a longer week. Of course, it 232 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 2: didn't end up helping the Broncos. They didn't beat Cincinnati, 233 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: but you know, either way, I understand that you're thinking 234 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: in terms of maybe this will give us a later 235 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: buy in the season. I don't want to take the 236 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 2: buy this early. I mean, there's there's a multiple reasons 237 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: why it could work out. But the Giants coming off 238 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: of a Thursday night game, now they all of a 239 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 2: sudden have a mini buy. So this sort of is 240 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: what it is. What was the team like out there? 241 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:23,599 Speaker 2: I mean, I just want to kind of get a 242 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: baseline of of kind of where you think this team 243 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: is at, because they spent the whole week out there. 244 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: I think for a lot of Broncos fans being sold 245 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: on the idea of well it's out there. You have 246 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 2: a normal practice week, you get your normal sleep routine, 247 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 2: all those kinds of things, and then the offense was well, 248 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: I was struggled to put it lightly. 249 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's not a normal week, Like, no 250 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 4: matter how much, no matter how normal you try to 251 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 4: make it, it's not normal. You're not going home after 252 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 4: practice or at night, you're not sleeping in the same bed. 253 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: Like. 254 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 4: There is disruption to the schedule, whether you talk about 255 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:56,599 Speaker 4: it or whether you try to sort of put it 256 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 4: out of your mind or not. I don't think that 257 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 4: really is the dry I think factor for why they 258 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 4: were so flat offensively. 259 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: But it is a different week. 260 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 4: What's interesting, Rian is like it's almost a carbon copy 261 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 4: of what happened in September last year where they beat Tampa. 262 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 4: They look great, you know, and then they go to 263 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 4: the Greenbrier. Yeah, and then it's an ugly game. It's 264 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 4: a negative seven passing yards for Bonnicks in the first 265 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 4: half against the Jets, and somehow you find a way 266 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 4: to win the game down to you know, PJ lock 267 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 4: on and all out blitz sacking Aaron Rodgers. Last year, 268 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 4: it's Jonathan Cooper sort of closing out a game and 269 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 4: sacking Justin Fields for the ninth time in the game 270 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 4: this year. So funny enough. I'm not sure it means anything, 271 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 4: but it really just played out almost exactly like the 272 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 4: two game road trip played out last year. And guys, 273 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 4: you know, if you ask them, they might say, hey, 274 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 4: I'd rather just get home for the week or whatever. 275 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 4: But there is something about the CAMRAADERI you get in 276 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 4: those situations, and then when you come home with two wins, 277 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 4: obviously that's that's the main thing. 278 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 2: Well, no doubt, and that's you know, I de Broncos 279 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 2: react on Sunday for six hours, and it was there 280 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 2: were some people calling in very excited that they're on 281 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 2: this three game streak and that they won another game 282 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: and this is a great momentum. But then there were 283 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 2: people calling in and saying, I really thought it'd be 284 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 2: better by now. I thought the offense would be performing 285 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 2: at a higher level, and I thought that we've seen 286 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: just an overall better production out there. And I think, 287 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: you know, rewatching it now a couple of times, I mean, 288 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: there's a multitude of reasons, and maybe when we come 289 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: back and ask you kind of what your take is 290 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: on the offense and where it's at and really bo Nicks, 291 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: like where is what is bo Nicks for this team? 292 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: Right? Right? So we'll get to that Parker Gabriellian studio. 293 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: Well, right back on Kawa, big opinions, big feelings about 294 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 2: the game. So before he comes in, I want to 295 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: be on the same page with you about what we're 296 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: seeing on the offense because he's going to challenge all 297 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 2: of those expectations. So what are you seeing with the offense? 298 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: What do you think you know about this offense through 299 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 2: Week six? Yeah, I think it's just inconsistency. 300 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: Mostly. There's times where they look really good. 301 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 4: They've they've made it look easy to tis the thing 302 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 4: that I think maybe if there's a concerning part, it's 303 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 4: that some of the things that haven't been ironed out 304 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 4: or are where they lacked consistency last. 305 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: Year or two. So you go three and out too often. 306 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 4: I think their rates even maybe down a little bit 307 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 4: from sort of the worst stretch of last year, but 308 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 4: thirty four percent three and out so far this year. 309 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 4: They just get in these stretches where it was in 310 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 4: the second half Sunday against the Giants, it was against 311 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 4: the Jets, it was early against Philadelphia, it was most 312 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 4: of the game against the Chargers. There's just some of 313 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 4: these spells where they just can't get untracked. And Sean 314 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 4: Payton is a you know, he's not a Vibes play caller, 315 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 4: but he likes that you got to get the first 316 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 4: first down and then you go, well, that's great, except 317 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 4: for when you don't get a first first down. It 318 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 4: just sometimes it feels really hard. And then once it's 319 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 4: once you get a first down, they're sort of often running, 320 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 4: but just the early down efficiency hasn't been very good, 321 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 4: which is a little strange because they've run the ball 322 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 4: pretty well overall. 323 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're top five coming into the top for whatever 324 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: coming into this game. 325 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: Now I think you're seventh or something like that. But yeah, 326 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: but you been really good. 327 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 4: That's been good obviously in the NFL anymore, Like you 328 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 4: can't that can't be your whole offense. You can't be 329 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 4: a running offense only, and they just haven't. They haven't 330 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 4: hit many shots down the field. Like if you look 331 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 4: at Bonix's numbers so far, average depth of target down 332 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 4: from last year, average yards per completion down from last year, 333 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 4: completion percentage down from last year. So obviously there's plenty 334 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 4: of time for all that stuff to come around, but 335 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 4: they're not hitting not only just a deep ball down 336 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 4: the field, but it feels like there's less of the 337 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 4: twenty yard in breaker, less of the skinny post, less 338 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 4: up the seam so far this year than even what we. 339 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: Saw last year. 340 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 2: You know, one of the things that is a bit 341 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 2: perplexing for me, And maybe by the end of the season, 342 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: I won't feel this way. It doesn't feel like there's 343 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: a lot of easiness, right, you know, like you watch 344 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: some of these other offenses play. I mean you watch 345 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels and you know, move up and down the 346 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: field the other night, and you're just like it just 347 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: looks effortless at times. And it's maybe he is that 348 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: much better, right, or maybe Drake may is that much better. 349 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: Kayleb Williams looks better this year. Maybe he is that 350 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: much better. 351 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: But I don't. 352 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: I don't think there's that much better in the sense 353 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 2: that their offense is that much easier to run. 354 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: But maybe it is. I don't. Maybe maybe that is 355 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: a Sean Payton conversation. 356 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you're you're asking, you're putting a lot 357 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 4: on bo Nix's play obviously, just with the system that 358 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 4: Sean Payton runs and just. 359 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: The pure volume. 360 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 4: Sean even made a reference today to slimming down, which 361 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 4: I think that makes three for three. Earlier in the 362 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 4: season of his tenure here that he said that I 363 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 4: don't I don't mean that as the slightest. 364 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: Just they want to run a lot of stuff. They 365 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: want to have a lot of stuff in it. 366 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 4: At some point you can either just do all of 367 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 4: it or you have to really look at hey, we're 368 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 4: going to you know, pair some back here, some back 369 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 4: over there. 370 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: What's interesting. 371 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 4: One thing that's interesting is they've actually been pretty good 372 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 4: in the red zone. So in the NFL, if you 373 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 4: think about it as a third down in red zone game, 374 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 4: they're in decent shape there. They've had more trouble than 375 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 4: some teams moving the ball, like let's say between the twenties, 376 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 4: and then they're actually I think they're in the top 377 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 4: half of the league in the red zone. So even 378 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 4: though it hasn't been a particularly good offense so far, 379 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 4: they have mostly taken. 380 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: Advantage from they've gotten in score in territory. 381 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 2: Now that they have brutal sequences like the one, you know, 382 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 2: pap Ryan's false starts on a third and one, it 383 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 2: becomes third and six. Then you make a big play 384 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: to Troy Franklin. It's a hold on Matt pairt suddenly 385 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 2: have gone from third and one, Bonick slid just a 386 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: little bit short to make a third and one. Well, 387 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 2: I was going to say, like, you actually want to 388 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 2: have to go back two plays before that, because bon 389 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: Nick's had that the first he could have had the 390 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: first down. 391 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: He slid just short, and then JK. Dobbins doesn't get 392 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: anything on his first game. 393 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 4: We were talking about this while we were waiting to 394 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 4: go into practice today. Officials on the quarterback slide, it's 395 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 4: like they it's not where the quarterback starts to slide. 396 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 4: It's like it's almost as if they picked the moment 397 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 4: when the quarterback. 398 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: Decided to slide. 399 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 4: It's because even and that's one that's one Ryan where 400 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 4: it's like they can the spots are always up to 401 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 4: they can go they can review that without having a 402 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 4: challenge or anything like that. That's one of the calls 403 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 4: that they're always looking at upstairs. So for them to 404 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 4: call it on the field short, then someone is looking 405 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 4: at it and saying yes, correct, it is short, you 406 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 4: have the right spot, they can give it an automatic 407 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 4: first down without ever really stopping play in that scenario. 408 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 4: But they didn't, so clearly everyone was in agreement that yes, 409 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 4: Bonix is short, and then it sort of all goes 410 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 4: hey wire from there, so that you could look at 411 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 4: that as a bad thing or a good thing. Penalties 412 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 4: kill you offensively or is it? Hey listen, half a 413 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 4: yard difference and you're in scoring territory and maybe you're 414 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 4: talking about a lot different outcome. 415 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you are right. 416 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 2: I mean, but that's sort of like part and parcel 417 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 2: of who they are right now. 418 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks like living on the razor edge all 419 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 4: the time of either like scoring four straight touchdowns or 420 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 4: punting four straight. 421 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, because when they are when they are playing with 422 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 2: confidence and they are moving down the field, and I 423 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 2: mean that touchdown today Nate Adkins was like, beautifully designed. 424 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 2: They've been setting that up over the course of the 425 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 2: game with the Marvin Mimm's motion, and nay Atkins went 426 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 2: as though he was going to block another screen pass, 427 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 2: and the Prouncos are famously throwing a lot of screen passes, 428 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: so he was perfect. And then Nayatkins just sort of 429 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 2: snuck out and he was wide open, because why would 430 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: you say about Nate Adkins twenty yards downfield? 431 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting I was talking to I actually talked 432 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 4: to Marvin about this in the locker room just before 433 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 4: I came over here, about. 434 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: He really likes their screen game. Now, he's obviously involved 435 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: in it. It's like part of the offense. That's he 436 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 2: gets his hands on the ball quite a bit as 437 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 2: he does. But I think a lot of it's easy 438 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 2: to watch the screen game and just wonder what they're doing. 439 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: Why do they run it so much? What are you 440 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: getting out of it? 441 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 4: And he said to me, he's like, we think of 442 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 4: a good wide receiver screen bubble as four yards. It's 443 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 4: like an extension of the run game, and so it 444 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 4: can be effective, and then it sets up a touchdown. 445 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 446 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 4: And then in the fourth quarter when they really needed 447 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 4: a drive, how did they get the biggest player of 448 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 4: the drive? 449 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 2: They motioned Marvin into the backfield. He got a wheel 450 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 2: route on a linebacker twenty six yards and there you go. 451 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: So that's like, I'm not sure that's going to satisfy 452 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 2: fans that wonder about all of the screen and all 453 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 2: of the horizontal passing. But when you think about being 454 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 2: able to stay in manageable down in distance, the screen 455 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 2: game also creates the action that leads to the. 456 00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: Nate Atkins touchdown. 457 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 4: Then you get a Marvin MEM's twenty six yards out 458 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 4: of the backfield on similar concept, obviously not a screen. 459 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 4: Later in the game you start to piece it together 460 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 4: and you're like, oh, well, maybe it's not useless. I mean, 461 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 4: that's three of the biggest plays of the game sort 462 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 4: of came out of that action, or at least using 463 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 4: Marvin Mems in that way. 464 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: So it's a it's an interesting conversation. Oh no, for sure. 465 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: And I like that perspective from Marvin on an extension 466 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 2: of the run game because I have felt that way oftentimes, 467 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: when you know, people talk about, well, all the checkdowns 468 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 2: are running backs. I'm like, that can still be viewed 469 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 2: as just an extension of the run game. But I 470 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: never thought about it in terms of wide receiver screens. 471 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 2: Most of the time, it's like, well, if it's perfectly blocked, 472 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 2: that could be a really big play, But it feels 473 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 2: like you're you're gambling on it being perfectly blocked. In 474 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: the defender whoever, it is not knifing through and blowing 475 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: the thing up for a TfL. 476 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, you also have to you have to move interior 477 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 4: defensive lines horizontally over the course of a game. Like sure, 478 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 4: defensive fronts are so good in today's NFL, teams can 479 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 4: play light. This even goes back to Tennessee in Week 480 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 4: one when you're talking about that's not a very good 481 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 4: football team. But Jeffrey said and Sebastian Joseph day, like 482 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 4: every week it seems like Giants will be this way. 483 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 4: This week you look at them and you say, Wow, 484 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 4: they're really good on the defensive interior. 485 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: And so that's I think. 486 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 4: That's what some of the outside zone stuff is supposed 487 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 4: to accomplish. Good teams that do that all the time. 488 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 4: It is what it accomplishes. You get big guys moving laterally. 489 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 4: The Broncos haven't used that stuff that they worked on 490 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 4: this offseason a ton so far this year, and so 491 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 4: one of the ways that they try to get, you know, 492 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 4: you try to stress the defense side to side is 493 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 4: to throw that screen stuff and then hope that it sort. 494 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: Of loosens things up as a game. 495 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 4: I'm not saying Listen, I'm not saying it's been like, 496 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's been a big catalyst or something 497 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 4: like that, because there obviously have been times where you 498 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 4: scratch your head and say, you know. 499 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: Let's shelve that one for a while. 500 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 2: But there are moments, and I think there were moments 501 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 2: on Sunday in an ugly game where it serves its purpose. 502 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 2: I agree with you and Parker Gabriels in studio with 503 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 2: us is he covers the Broncos for the different post. 504 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: I know it serves a purpose. It just seems like 505 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: they lean on it a lot in it it's leading 506 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: to some people. 507 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: We had a discussion yesterday Ben and I on a 508 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 2: national podcast, the Athletics Ball Podcast, where they said, it 509 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 2: looks like Sean doesn't trust Bo like he wants him 510 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 2: to get the ball out fast. The numbers do not 511 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: look good for bow under pressure, and so, okay, you 512 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: got a relatively young quarterback in the league, not young, 513 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 2: but young quarterback in the league and getting the ball 514 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 2: out fast makes some sense, right. I Mean, it's not 515 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 2: like that's an insane thing to think about, but there 516 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: are some high leverage moments and I'm not even just 517 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: talking about. 518 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: A fullback dive on third and ten. 519 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some high leverage moments where it feels like, well, 520 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 2: we're just going to throw a screen here and it's 521 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 2: third and long, and it's like you're gambling on everybody 522 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: blocking correctly because if you're right, and Marvin Mimm says, 523 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: well that this could be a four yard play, well 524 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 2: it's third and forever, and maybe you don't have a 525 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: lot of plays for that. But also, if you have 526 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: that guy a quarterback, maybe you should get let him 527 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: take a shot. 528 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 4: One hundred percent. And look, it's different running a bubble 529 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 4: screen on first and ten where you get four yards 530 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 4: out of it and you're second and six and sort 531 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 4: of you've got everything at your disposal. That's different than 532 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 4: Adam Prentice up the middle on third and ten or 533 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 4: just you know, the screen stuff. There wasn't a lot 534 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 4: of it on Sunday, I don't think, especially with the 535 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 4: day out, but there's been there's been times where they 536 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 4: dump that off and that's that's almost just the capitulation 537 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 4: of like, all right, if we had a big play, 538 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 4: great and if not, we'll punt. I don't it's been interesting, Ryan, Like, 539 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 4: I don't know exactly how the numbers bear it out, 540 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 4: but I know, I know the downfield numbers for Bonick 541 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 4: so far the season are down some. It doesn't feel 542 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 4: like all of the work and all the production of 543 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 4: Courtland Sutton, whether it's running the big inbreaker on like dagger, 544 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 4: all the stuff that they created chunk plays in the 545 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 4: middle of the field with last year, it's sort of 546 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 4: dried up. I mean, it's not totally gone. And I'm 547 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 4: not sure if that's just defenses have said, we know 548 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 4: he loves this, We're gonna this is the thing we're 549 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 4: gonna sort of play against. But there was a lot 550 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 4: of third and mediums to lungs that they picked up 551 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 4: last year because it was I trust Courtland Suton's gonna 552 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 4: win on an inbreaker down the field and I'm gonna, 553 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 4: you know, fire the thing in there and. 554 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 1: And live with what happens. 555 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 4: And they just they haven't created a hun of that 556 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 4: downfield passing game that really sort of it was slow 557 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 4: early going last year too, I felt like, but as 558 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 4: the season went along, you started to see a lot 559 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 4: of big chunks down the field and that just hasn't 560 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 4: really materialized much that you can think of so far. 561 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 2: This season, No, not really and most of the downfield game. 562 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 2: And I it's a tough thing to super criticize because 563 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 2: in a lot of ways there's there's things that need 564 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 2: to work out for that alto I mean the blocking 565 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 2: up front, it's got to be also your receiver winning 566 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 2: their matchup. There's a couple times obviously in the Chargers 567 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: game where it was off the fingertips and it's like, gosh, you. 568 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: Know the little bit of timing there. 569 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: So there's there's a lot that goes into some of 570 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 2: the deep passing game. It just feels like feast or 571 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: famine the times I think for the offense. And and 572 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: it was so on display in this Jets game that 573 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 2: I think that the famine part about it is scary 574 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 2: because I felt like, and I think a lot of 575 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 2: Broncos fans felt like we had established a bit of 576 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: a floor and that yeah, and you you. 577 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: Went below that in this game. 578 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: And that's scary when you start to say, well, I 579 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: think I know what this team is and they can 580 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 2: do this with the run game with JK. Dobbins, and 581 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: you can always lean on that, and you can lean 582 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 2: on Courtland Sudd, you can lean and then none of 583 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 2: it was there, and they didn't have much of an answer, 584 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: whether that's play calling or bow or what otherwise. 585 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, every team the Broncos play end up feeling. 586 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: The passer Tan effect. 587 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 4: Right at number one receiver has a quiet day, and 588 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 4: that's a little bit. I mean, Sauce Gardner just did 589 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 4: a really good job on Cortland Sunn's that's part of it. 590 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 4: He's one of the best corners in football, and so 591 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 4: I think they probably you trust your guy to win, 592 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 4: but also you got to have we got to do 593 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 4: some other things, and so that that's part of it 594 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 4: on Sunday, But in general, I think you're right that 595 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 4: against Cincinnati, Sure, he scored a bunch of points, he 596 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 4: had a bunch of yards, the run game looked great. 597 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 4: It's a really bad defense. You do it again the 598 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 4: next week against Philadelphia on the road, stick with the 599 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 4: run in the second half, come back and win, and 600 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 4: you start thinking, Okay, here's an identity. 601 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: And then for whatever reason, we'll find maybe three weeks 602 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: from now, we'll look back at this and say, Wow, 603 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: that was just sort of a one off, weird game 604 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: or whatever. 605 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 4: You but for right now, you sort of even after 606 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 4: a win you go back and you say, ugh, I mean, 607 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 4: I think that's their identity. It didn't work much on Sunday, 608 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 4: so now let's see if they can put it together again. 609 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 4: I guess a pretty darn disruptive Giants defense this weekend. 610 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 2: For sure, and then you wonder what teams can learn 611 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 2: from that as far as the blue shrints to sol 612 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 2: you down, and the Jets defense had been gashed both 613 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: in the past and in the run by everybody h 614 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 2: and so it's like, well, they have more talent than 615 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: they're playing at right now, and eventually they're going to 616 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: figure some things out, especially on the defensive side. 617 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: Of the ball. 618 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 2: Offensively, I didn't have high expectations for the Jets, and 619 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 2: nobody did. And they even talk about you know, floor 620 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 2: versus into the basement. That's like another level when you 621 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 2: go to minus ten nets. But for the defense, I 622 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: didn't think the Jets defense was going to be better 623 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 2: this year, so I wasn't surprised to see they had 624 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 2: a better performance than they had so far this year. 625 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 2: You just don't want to be against your team, and 626 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 2: especially coming off of such an emotional win over the Eagles, 627 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: because then you feel like they weren't really They weren't 628 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 2: really dialed in with their best focus for that game. 629 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: And I don't think that. I don't know you were 630 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: out there. 631 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 2: I don't think that's true. But there are people out 632 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 2: there drawing some conclusions. Yeah, I don't know, that's an 633 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 2: interesting thought. They were just adamant the whole week. It 634 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 2: didn't seem while we were there, you know that there's 635 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 2: really not much to do where they stayed other than 636 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: football stuff, right, so you know that they there were 637 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 2: some players that weren't wild about the fact from the 638 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 2: hotel to where they ended up. 639 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 4: Practicing like a half hour in the bus and they 640 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 4: hit some traffic and whatever. And so since they didn't 641 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,959 Speaker 4: have locker rooms at Tottenham's training facility, you're getting you're 642 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 4: getting your ankles taped, you're getting you know, not full pads, 643 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 4: but pants on, cleats on all that. Then you're getting 644 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 4: on the bus for a half hour, and like, is 645 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 4: that ideal? No, nobody used it as an excuse, just 646 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 4: the reality. It's a different structure, the transit's different for 647 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 4: the practice week. But like, is that the difference between 648 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 4: being sharp for an outing and not being I just 649 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 4: I have a hard time believing that too. 650 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: I think we're saying the right things. You're right. 651 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 2: I mean even even Hagen the Eagles week, I remember 652 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: asking Gara Bulls so we have him once a week 653 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 2: about London. He's like, we're not talking about London. We 654 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 2: can't talk about NOL word, no l word, that's right. Yeah, 655 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 2: And so I was like, okay, fine, you guys have 656 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 2: your priorities, right, any won both games, so it kind 657 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 2: of feels that's the. 658 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 4: Funny thing about it, is like you come back with 659 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 4: two wins and yeah it was ugly, and yeah the 660 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 4: offense didn't played very well, but ah they're four and too. 661 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 4: If you would have said that coming out of you know, 662 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 4: after the Monday night game, Hey, they're gonna some way, somehow. 663 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: You just take it no matter what, whatever it is. Yeah, 664 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: whatever it is, no doubt about it. 665 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 2: Well, do you want to give some luck to the 666 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 2: defense before Rod Smith comes in here, because he's gonna 667 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: want to talk a lot about the offense. 668 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: He might give some luve to the defense too, but 669 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: he's gonna have some thoughts for sure. 670 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: You had this great stat you put out earlier today 671 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 2: on Twitter at Parker J. Gabriel on Twitter so it 672 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: says an eye popping measure of the Broncos pass rush dominance. 673 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: They're ninety three sacks, which is, by the way, this 674 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: sounds insane. 675 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 2: Their ninety three sacks since the start of twenty twenty 676 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 2: four season is twenty eight more than any other team 677 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 2: in Seattle is sixty five. The gap between Denver and 678 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 2: Seattle is as big as the gap between Seattle and 679 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: the number thirty two Carolina Panthers. 680 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: At thirty six, saying that I don't even know what 681 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: to do with that number. 682 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 2: And you know, again it's you know, people are excited 683 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 2: about the defense, but the takeaways, there's always something right. 684 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 2: But when you just contextualize that, I brought it up 685 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 2: to Dave earlier, I was like, and they did that 686 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 2: performance against the Jets without Jonah ellis their thirbest edge rusher, 687 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: which is still startling to me. 688 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, there's just so many different ways you can 689 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 4: take it. Some of that stat is continuity. They brought everybody, 690 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 4: you know, they had the franchise record in sacks last year. 691 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 4: They brought literally everybody back except for Cody Barton, but 692 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 4: everybody that had a meaningful contribution on the sack total 693 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 4: last year returns this year. You don't get that very often, 694 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 4: so that you're in a different position than some of 695 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,479 Speaker 4: the other teams in the league in that regard. Even still, 696 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 4: it's only six games into the year and they have 697 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 4: ten more sacks than anybody else in the league. Just 698 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 4: you don't normally see such dramatic outliers in the NFL 699 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 4: because of the parody. Every once in a while there's 700 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 4: the like, you know, the Mahomes first year starting fifty 701 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 4: touchdowns MVP, and you just look at it and you're like, 702 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 4: how is that possible in this league? But this these 703 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 4: what they're doing pass rush wise and sacking opposing quarterbacks 704 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,959 Speaker 4: is sort of like that. I mean, it's just in 705 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 4: a league where you're much more likely to have thirty 706 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 4: one teams separated by twenty eight sacks or whatever, the 707 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 4: next closest team is almost always a couple ahead or 708 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 4: a few ahead, three more. 709 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: Passing touchdowns in the next team. 710 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 4: It's not twenty eight more sacks than any other team 711 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 4: in a span of like twenty three games. 712 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 2: Well, and the thing I pointed out a little bit earlier, 713 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 2: to be first in sacks, first and third down percentage 714 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: in first in red zone. 715 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, with this defense. 716 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 2: I mean again, there are expectations for a group like 717 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 2: this defense that we talked about all offseas everybody did. 718 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 2: Everybody said, oh, this defense on paper looks really good, 719 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 2: but to be there to do that. And again, the 720 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 2: opponents help Rice Cincinnati losing their quarterback, that's going to 721 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 2: help the Jets with justin fields being what they are, that's. 722 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: Going to help. 723 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 2: But you can only do so much about that. That's 724 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: the teams on your schedule. And Philly was eleven of 725 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 2: eleven in the red zone. That's right, you know, so 726 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 2: playing the best team in the NFL in the red 727 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: zone too. So everything, and that's where it's like it's 728 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 2: a little there's a little bit of a small sample. 729 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 4: It's early in the season, you know. Sean Payton sometimes says, 730 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 4: give it halfway and then look. But even still, the 731 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 4: numbers are so dominant that they could go cold for 732 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 4: them over the next three or four weeks and still 733 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 4: probably be leading NFL in sex. 734 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: And you got this game against the Giants, and so 735 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: since I only have you. 736 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 2: Here for today, I just want to get kind of 737 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: your early thoughts about this game, because there's a chaos 738 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 2: to what they're doing on the offensive side of the ball, 739 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 2: it's a lot of fun to watch. Uh, there's a 740 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 2: there's a sustainability to it that I don't think is 741 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 2: gonna eventually the rubber is going to meet the road. 742 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 2: What Jackson Dart is doing is going to probably cost 743 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: him at some point. I mean, he had some hit, 744 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 2: a fumble, and a couple of interceptions against the Saints. 745 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: He he's kind of a wild man back there. And 746 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: then Cam Skataboo. 747 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 2: Running the way he's running that also without in the 748 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 2: league neighbors, there's a bit of a ceiling to what 749 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 2: they're going to ultimately accomplish this season. But for this game, 750 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 2: they do come in with this kind of reckless nature 751 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 2: to what they are, which makes it and I heard 752 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 2: Sean talking about it earlier, unlike any other opponent they've 753 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 2: seen this year. Yeah, definitely, and offensively, I think the 754 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 2: way I think you're right, the way Jackson Dart's playing me, 755 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 2: he's been an injury ten I think every game he 756 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 2: started so far, and that inspired. That can be inspiring 757 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 2: for a team of like our guys going to go out. 758 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: And take hits. Long term, it's not the answer. 759 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 4: You just you cannot play that way as a quarterback, 760 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 4: but when you're talking about one game or a couple 761 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 4: of weeks, maybe you can the thing. Like a lot 762 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 4: of young quarterbacks so far, really small sample. Obviously with 763 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 4: Jackson Dart, his numbers against pressure are horrendous. Yes they are. Obviously, 764 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 4: the Broncos are very good. They're the best team in 765 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 4: the NFL at generating pressure. So that's the sort of 766 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 4: if you and they've done. The Broncos have also done 767 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 4: a really good job the last two weeks against two 768 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 4: mobile quarterbacks about rushing not only effectively and prolifically, but smart. 769 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: They Jalen Hurts. 770 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 4: Had one scramble I think for three yards, Justin Fields 771 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 4: had seventeen scramble yards. 772 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: I think. 773 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 4: So if you are if you're not allowing a lot 774 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 4: in the design run game and you're containing scrambles, there's 775 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 4: just that's where you feel. 776 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: Pretty good about. You know, if you. 777 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 2: Check those boxes, you're in pretty good shape defensively. Offensively, 778 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 2: you know, bo Nix is the least pressured quarterback in 779 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 2: football through six games. The Giants have one of the 780 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 2: best pass rushes in football. To me, that's really the Yeah, 781 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 2: can the Broncos play on schedule against that defensive front 782 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 2: dictates to me a lot of how I think the 783 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 2: game goes well. They only have thirteen sacks, which is 784 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 2: remarkable when you think about you have Abdul Carter, you 785 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 2: got Kevon Thibodeau, and you've got Brian Burns, you got 786 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 2: Dexter Lawrence. They got a third rounder this year, Darius Alexander, 787 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 2: who I love. Derrius Alexanders of my favorite guys in 788 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 2: the draft. So they have got just absolute malers up front. 789 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 2: It's going to be a challenge very quickly. Here is 790 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 2: our left guard. 791 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 4: I think Alex Polchowski, you really really yeah, I could 792 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 4: see it going a couple of different ways if you're 793 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 4: but here's the thing about that. 794 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 1: Here's the thing about Pelchow. 795 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 4: If you're just going who's the I mean, parent's gonna 796 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 4: miss the rest of you towards mcl like he's gonna 797 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 4: miss the rest of the year. So if you're just 798 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 4: talking about who's the next best guy, that's that's the answer. 799 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: But who is the best fit? Yeah, good question. 800 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 4: You know you could make a case for Throckmartin or 801 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 4: I think for forsythe mm hmm. 802 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: If you're playing your five best. Yeah, that's it. I 803 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: mean I made the argument earlier too. 804 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 2: It's like, if you're talking taking your top five, then 805 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 2: it's Palchow. But they love that role with him and 806 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 2: bringing him in as the jumble package guy. 807 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: They like him on the right side. 808 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, but again, you're you're in a 809 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 2: position here where you're you're you're down. You're on your 810 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 2: fourth guy there because we guard Gulo's out too, so 811 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 2: you kind of have to make a decision that you'd 812 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 2: like to be able to stick with the rest of 813 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 2: the year whatever it is. 814 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: You're not. You're not gonna try to with this if 815 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 1: you can't. 816 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 4: And that's the left side right side thing they had 817 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 4: going with parent Palchwski. It made sense because you're talking 818 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 4: about filling in for one game, But if you're talking 819 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 4: about long haul, then I think you take your most 820 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 4: talented guy, you put them there, and you say let's 821 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 4: try to figure it out. 822 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 2: It's a good argument. Parker Gabriel and Studio Wait come back. 823 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 2: Rod Smith joins us, that's coming up next.