1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 2: Thanks very much, Dan Watkins. 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 3: I would like to welcome back a guest that I interviewed. 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 3: I guess it was January eighth, John Grishbol He's the 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 3: co CEO of a group called maximlspace dot com. 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 2: And John, I want to give you a little more 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: breathing room tonight. 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 3: I thought it was kind of tough on you on 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 3: the eighth, and I want you to know that I 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 3: really want to understand more about what you're proposing, and 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 3: I want to give our callers a chance to ask 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 3: you questions and give you a good opportunity to explain 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 3: what's going on. You were not a Massachusetts company, but 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 3: you may end up doing business here at Massachusetts. 15 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: Is that correct? 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 4: So first off, thanks for having me back. Dan. I 17 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 4: think we had a riveting conversation just a few weeks ago, 18 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 4: and I was kind of preparing for the same one 19 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 4: two punch, But hey, we can we can keep it 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 4: more friendly if you'd like. 21 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: Well, it could be friendly, but it could be challenging. 22 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: I just what I'm saying is when when I'm doing 23 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 3: an eight minute interview during the eight o'clock hour. I 24 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: was pushing you to get more information because of the 25 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: time constraints. So we got a little bit of time here, 26 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 3: So let's have some fun with this and give you 27 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 3: an opportunity. So your company, I think, if I recall, 28 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 3: I probably have talked to I don't know, forty other 29 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 3: people during the eight o'clock hour, at least in the 30 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 3: next in the last couple of weeks. Your company's based 31 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 3: in California. 32 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 4: Correct, that's correct. We're based in California, and we're essentially 33 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 4: entirely operated here in California as well. Most of our 34 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 4: business occurs here in California. We don't do much outside 35 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 4: of the state. But as ADU regulations have been spreading 36 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 4: throughout the country, it's only my duty to advocate for 37 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 4: them and help people better understand what they are, what 38 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 4: they mean, and the impact that they can have on 39 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 4: their property. 40 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's really what my goal is tonight, to 41 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: be honest with you, because when we talk about accessory 42 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 3: dwelling units or ADUs, as you say, I think of 43 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 3: them primarily as add ons or what some people refer 44 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 3: to back here as in law apartments. Why don't you 45 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: tell me again there's a couple. There's two or three 46 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 3: terms which are used interchangeably, and I think that language 47 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 3: is so important. I use the term tiny homes, some 48 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 3: other people use the term starter homes and ADUs. Are 49 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: they interchangeable or do they actually mean different things? 50 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 4: There are dozens of terms, many of them colloquial, and 51 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 4: they simultaneously mean a lot and a little at the 52 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 4: same time. I'll say that it's regional. So here in 53 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 4: California we call them excess redwelling units, and in other 54 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 4: parts of the country they call them accessory living units 55 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 4: ALU or granny flats, So it can mean a lot 56 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 4: of different things. Tiny home, I think of covers the 57 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 4: more general concept of tiny home on wheels. An airstream 58 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 4: can be considered a tiny home if it's even like 59 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 4: an RB can be a tiny home in theory, but 60 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 4: by definition at least, what I'm talking about in ADU 61 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 4: is a permanent living space with a bathroom, a kitchen, 62 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 4: and somewhere to sleep. 63 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: We have been dealing with an issue here in Massachusetts 64 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: which I'll try to explain to you, which has been 65 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: somewhat controversial, and it was signed into law by Governor 66 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: Baker in the final hours of his administration. Who's the 67 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 3: former governor in Massachusetts. They don't expect you. You know, 68 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: everybody knows the governors of California because California is such 69 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 3: a big state. So I just by way of explanation, 70 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: our current governor is a Democrat more heally, but she's 71 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 3: the one who has been put in the position to 72 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 3: implement this this program. It's called the MBTA Communities Act. 73 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 3: So we have the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority MBTA, which 74 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 3: is like the BART up in San Francisco or the 75 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 3: Los Angeles Transportation Authority. And so the legislature and in 76 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: the bill that Governor Baker signed back in December of 77 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. 78 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: Basically linked. 79 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 3: The need perceived by the legislature here in Massachusetts for 80 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 3: more housing, not necessarily tiny homes or ADUs, but just 81 00:04:54,160 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 3: generally more housing in communities, and they sort of create 82 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: a nexus between it's about one hundred and I think 83 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 3: seventy one or one hundred and seventy seven communities here 84 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 3: in eastern Massachusetts which either have MBTA bus service, MBTA 85 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 3: train service, a conrail train service, or they're adjacent. And 86 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 3: so the idea is that the government in Massachusetts has 87 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 3: basically said, if you don't comply with this law which 88 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 3: mandates that you build a certain number of units, and 89 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: they're not talking about small units necessarily, they're talking about 90 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: in many cases apartment buildings or condominium buildings, we will 91 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 3: withhold financing for certain government benefits that your town receives. 92 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 3: And there's still about a dozen towns who're fighting against that. 93 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 3: So against that backdrop, I don't expect you to understand 94 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 3: the inner workings of that, but against that backdrop, you 95 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 3: do have people here who are fighting to maintain the 96 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 3: type of community which the community has evolved to be. 97 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 3: And that's why when we talked in earlier this month, 98 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 3: I was really emphasizing the importance of zoning laws. Okay, 99 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: so what is happening California is different than Massachusetts, But 100 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 3: what is happening out there? Do you when you try 101 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 3: to bring some of these again, either you know, tiny homes, 102 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 3: starter homes, or accessory dwelling units, are you getting a 103 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: lot of pushback? What's it like on the ground in California? 104 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 4: So as long as I've been in the industry, it 105 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 4: has been a law by right, the people are allowed 106 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 4: to do them. And I don't really get involved too 107 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 4: much with the advocacy. I'm not talking to city council. 108 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 4: I'm not the one pushing these regulations. I'm interpreting the 109 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 4: new laws and helping homeowners better understand what they can do. 110 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 4: I did a little bit of my own research as well, 111 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 4: because I wasn't super prepared on local Massachusetts and Boston laws. 112 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 4: But I did see that in the middle of twenty 113 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 4: twenty four, Governor Healy passed an ad regulation throughout the 114 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 4: state of Massachusetts. So understanding the context now, I'm sure 115 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 4: that that must be directly related to what you mentioned 116 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 4: a few years prior. 117 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so what you're saying to me is that you are. 118 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 3: Ambivalent or agnostic, if you will, towards whatever group politically 119 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 3: is pushing for or against. 120 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: You were simply there to provide. 121 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: The type of housing that has received approval, is what 122 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 3: I'm hearing you say. 123 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 4: That's exactly it, up to date with what's allowed, and 124 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 4: homeowners come to me and I help them understand what 125 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 4: they can do. What I can say is, over the 126 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 4: past eight years, the a to us have been in 127 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 4: their current form here in California. Every year or even 128 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 4: every six months, there's more and more developments and advancements 129 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 4: to make the rules more permissible, to make it easier 130 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 4: for an average homeowner to do it, so it doesn't 131 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 4: need to be big league investors, to make it more affordable, 132 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 4: to make it a faster process as well, and less 133 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 4: restrictive in the sense that not necessarily building too many 134 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 4: more units, but rather people can build even if they 135 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 4: live in a historic neighborhood where they're previously restricted from it, 136 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 4: and many other conditions like that. And I'm seeing it 137 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 4: in Oregon, I'm seeing it in Washington, Colorado, Texas, New York, 138 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 4: and certainly Massachusetts now as well. 139 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, well again, here in Massachusetts, we do have a 140 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 3: lot of historic districts. In some communities. You can't change 141 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 3: the color of paint on your house if you want, 142 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: or you can't put different type windows if they're inconsistent. 143 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 3: So we're a little bit more restrictive. But I've found 144 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 3: over the years that a lot of things that start 145 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 3: in California, unlike Horace Greeley who told people, you know, 146 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: go young west, young man, a lot of the stuff 147 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 3: that starts in California tends to move east. 148 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 2: So when we get back, I got to take a break. 149 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 3: I'd like to talk about what successes you've had in California, 150 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 3: and particularly that people understand the accessory dwelling units, which 151 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 3: seem to me to be probably the ones that would 152 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 3: be most palpable here because there are people who Well, 153 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 3: I'll get into why I think that, and I'll be 154 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 3: interested in what your thought on it is as well, 155 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 3: and then we'll take some phone calls from listeners see 156 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 3: if they have some questions. I think that obviously the 157 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 3: only thing that remains constant is change, and we here 158 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 3: in New England not not the most accepting of change, 159 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 3: and this would be a big change, and I think 160 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 3: you're going to have an opportunity to explain it. And 161 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 3: I like the tone of the conversation tonight a little 162 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 3: bit better than what we had uh two or three 163 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: weeks ago, and I hope you do as well. 164 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 4: Uh sounds good looking forward to it. 165 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: My guest is John Grishbold. 166 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 3: He's the co CEO of maxibulspace dot com. And we're 167 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 3: going to talk about what I'm calling the tiny home movement. 168 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 3: And maybe we haven't seen it here in Massachusetts, but 169 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 3: it's always good to make you aware of what might 170 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: be coming in our direction at some time in the 171 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 3: not too distant future, if you'd like to join the 172 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 3: conversation wherever you're listening to us, whether you're listening in California, Colorado, 173 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 3: or Connecticut, or wherever we're heard in all of those places. 174 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 3: Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, 175 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 3: one ten thirty or one eight hundred nine two nine. 176 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: Ten thirty. 177 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 3: Back on Night Side with my guest, John Grishpol Grishpole, 178 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 3: co CEO of maxiblespace dot com. 179 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's 180 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: news radio. 181 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 3: My guess is John grishpol, co CEO of maxiblespace dot com. 182 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 3: He's based in California, but a lot that goes on 183 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: in California eventually heads in our direction. 184 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: John, let's talk about the accessory dwelling units. 185 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 3: I think of them, and again, I know we're talking 186 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 3: terminology here, which sounds to me like can be confusing. 187 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 3: But when I think about accessory dwelling units, I think 188 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 3: of it as an attachment to an existing home. Am 189 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: I way off based on that? 190 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 5: That is an option. 191 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 4: They come in a few different forms, whether it's a 192 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 4: new construction like attached to your home or detached in 193 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 4: your backyard. But it can also come in the form 194 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 4: of converting existing relatively unused space. So an ADU can 195 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 4: be converted from a basement or an attic, and often 196 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 4: the most cost effect of approach that I typically see 197 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 4: is converting an attached garage into an ADU. 198 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 3: I would suspect that there are some people are in 199 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 3: our audience who have made accommodation for their parents, you know, 200 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: particularly as the parents get older. So I don't think 201 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 3: that you and I have much of a disagreement on 202 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: adu's accessory dwelling units. For me, the problem is and 203 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: and and I don't know if it's been faced by 204 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: any communities here in Massachusetts, but as you described it, 205 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 3: someone would would basically build a second home on their property. 206 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: Now we have a lot of the zoning restrictions here 207 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 3: in Massachusetts. When they talk about again a starter home, 208 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 3: a tiny home, I know that it could mean the 209 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 3: same thing or a similar thing. Is there a distinction 210 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 3: in your mind? So when when all of a sudden 211 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: they start talking about tiny homes or starter homes here 212 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 3: in Massachusetts, I want my own audience to know what 213 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 3: is being discussed. Is there a general consensus as to 214 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 3: which one is bigger, which one is smaller, or are 215 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 3: the terms interchangeable. 216 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 4: So when I think of a starter home, I think 217 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 4: of a small home on a single family lot, a 218 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 4: small relatively affordable home. An a tou by definition is 219 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 4: an accessory to a primary home. In Massachusetts and in Boston, 220 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 4: to my understanding, the maximum size is nine hundred square 221 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 4: feet or fifty percent of the primary residence, whichever smaller. 222 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,359 Speaker 4: So there is a lot of intention behind those regulations 223 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 4: to something that I think you'd be happy to hear, 224 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 4: To minimize development, to reduce the overall impact on communities 225 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 4: and on neighborhoods. 226 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is what my concern is because LA is 227 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 3: different than Boston, and I know that you're an LA 228 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 3: based guy, much bigger, much more spread out, Boston, much 229 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: more compact. But also this applies anything that passes in 230 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 3: Massachusetts applies to everywhere in Massachusetts. Suburban, rural, urban, it 231 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 3: doesn't matter. So if you're talking about, again a tiny home, 232 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 3: let us say, how does does that have a definition 233 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 3: or is that again just a street vernacular term that's 234 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 3: being used that covers a lot of type of smaller properties. 235 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I consider tiny home an overarching term typically when 236 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 4: I am talking to the tiny home communities where they're 237 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 4: talking about something smaller than four hundred smaller than five 238 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 4: hundred square feet, so that is micro micro tiny. So 239 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 4: ADUs can typically be a little bit larger than that, 240 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 4: although i'd say tiny home's the overarching term, ADU falls 241 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 4: within it. 242 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 3: Okay, So, but a tiny home seems to me it 243 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 3: would be a separate structure on the property of another structure. 244 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean having the word home in it. Yeah, 245 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 4: it certainly feels like an independent, detached structure. 246 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 3: So in California, an area that you know much better 247 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 3: than I, have tiny homes taken off out there, and 248 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 3: is there Again, I don't know the real estate laws 249 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 3: or the land use laws in California as well as 250 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 3: I'm sure you do. They have tiny homes? Are they 251 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 3: proliferating in California? Are a lot of people getting into 252 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 3: the real estate market because those homes, because they're smaller, 253 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 3: are less expensive. And that's what just give me a 254 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 3: sense of what's going on in California in that regard 255 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: with what you do. 256 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's case by case, and this applies to California. 257 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 4: It applies to Massachusetts the state law general, but still 258 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 4: provide opportunity for local municipalities, cities, or counties to interpret 259 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 4: and make their own more strict regulations and requirements for 260 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 4: the ADUs. So I'd say that just as similarly applies 261 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 4: here in California. There are some communities that are extremely 262 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 4: rural and ADUs technically are legal there, they're allowed, but 263 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 4: people don't really need them because there isn't much of 264 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 4: a housing shortage in those areas. But in more suburban 265 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 4: and urban communities, where there's much more density, there's much 266 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 4: higher population, that's where the need is much stronger, and 267 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 4: I would certainly say that that's where we've built the 268 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 4: most ADUs. That's where I've helped the most homeowners work 269 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 4: through the process of understanding what they can build on 270 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 4: their property, whether they choose to use it as a 271 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 4: rental property or use it to let their kids or 272 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 4: their parents move into. 273 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: And have they been. 274 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 3: Pretty well received, meaning in other words, how much community pushback. 275 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: Obviously, if someone comes to you and says, hey. 276 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 3: I live on a a half acre lot here in 277 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 3: wherever in California, and can you help me design a 278 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 3: tiny home? Or start at home or whatever you want. 279 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 3: They're going to be all forward. Do most neighborhoods. 280 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: Welcome them or is there a pushback? 281 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 3: I'm just trying to figure out what we'll play out 282 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 3: here when they arrive here. 283 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 4: I would say for the most part they are welcomed. 284 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 4: There are certainly communities, particularly the higher end, more luxury communities, 285 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 4: that are the strongest against them. They don't want to 286 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 4: bring the quote unquote that community into their neighborhood, and 287 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 4: they do their best to be as restricted as they can, 288 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 4: sometimes successful, sometimes not. 289 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 2: Well. 290 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 3: When you say that community, I assume that people who 291 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 3: live in wealthy communities that that I'm sure plenty exists 292 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 3: in the Los Angeles area. They had their kids who 293 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 3: are in their twenties and are starting to get their 294 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: life started as well, and I assume there's a push 295 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 3: and a poll, you know, the push being wanting to 296 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 3: accommodate their children to be able to get started in 297 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,719 Speaker 3: a real estate market. At the same time, you know, 298 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 3: how do you stop away from becoming a tsunami? Is 299 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 3: that an issue out there? And is it? You know here, 300 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 3: we have a lot of issues which are kind of 301 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 3: related that if you live in a community with this 302 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 3: senior housing. If you've lived in the community for some 303 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: period of time, you're able to probably get your mom 304 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 3: or dad at the near or or at the top 305 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 3: of the senior housing list by virtue of the fact 306 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 3: that you've been in that community. If you go into 307 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 3: that community without any connection of the community, you're probably 308 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 3: going to go to the bottom. 309 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: Of the list. 310 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 3: So I suspect that that same push and pull must 311 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 3: exist in California. That you know, the multi millionaire, a 312 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 3: Hollywood producer, has a couple of kids, and he'd like 313 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: to get them, you know, maybe not on his property, 314 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 3: but at least somewhat contiguous in his neighborhood. I mean, 315 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,719 Speaker 3: isn't that how these play out? You've experienced them. I'm 316 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 3: trying to imagine where the controversy exists. 317 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd say you're largely right. But it's this interesting 318 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 4: dichotomy because, using the example you just shared of the 319 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 4: multimillion dollar music producer, he wants his kid to be 320 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 4: able to find a place to live that's affordable. He 321 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 4: just doesn't want it in his neighborhood. He thinks it 322 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 4: should happen somewhere else that he can afford. But he 323 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 4: doesn't want it next door to him. He doesn't want 324 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 4: his kid in his backyard, and that concept, that ideology, 325 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 4: as that plays out, then that kid's never going to 326 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 4: have a place to live if nobody wants to build 327 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 4: a place that's affordable for him to live in. So, yes, 328 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 4: it exists. I'd say it's a relative minority. The communities 329 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 4: that are the strongest voices have been successful relatively in 330 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 4: keeping a tous away. But at the end of the day, 331 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 4: it's got to go somewhere. We need more housing in 332 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 4: places like Massachusetts and in places like California, And honestly, 333 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 4: I think ADUs are the lowest impact solution because it's 334 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 4: not changing zoning laws. It's restricting the number of units 335 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 4: in the size of the units. So, like we talked 336 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 4: about last time, it can be a slippery slope. And 337 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 4: that's where these state pushed regulations and local restrictions come 338 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 4: into play to ensure that people are only allowed to 339 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 4: do what the community. That what the community agrees they're 340 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 4: on board with. 341 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 3: All right, I guess, And again, if you folks would 342 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,719 Speaker 3: like to join us conversation, we're talking about something that 343 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 3: John Grishpool knows a lot about. Because he's the co 344 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 3: CEO of a company called Maxible's maxible space dot com, 345 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 3: very successful in California. I had him on the show 346 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 3: during the eight o'clock hour, I think it was on 347 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 3: January eighth, and we tried to get a lot into 348 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 3: an eight minute interviewer. I tried to get a lot 349 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 3: into an eight minute interview, and we're going to continue 350 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 3: if you'd like to join the conversation. I think we're 351 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 3: talking about something that maybe three four, five years from 352 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 3: now will be much more familiar to you in Massachusetts. 353 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 3: But I'd like to keep the night Side audience ahead 354 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 3: of the of the learning curve. 355 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 2: It's as simple as that. 356 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 3: Feel free join the conversation six one, seven, two, five, 357 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 3: four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten 358 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 3: thirty Back with John Grishpool, my guest from maxiblespace dot 359 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 3: com and talking about tiny homes, starter homes, accessory dwelling units. 360 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 3: They're kind of all they're similar, but not identical. They 361 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 3: sometimes mean different things to different people. Back on Nightside 362 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 3: right after the news break at the bottom of the hour. 363 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on wb Boston's news radio. 364 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 3: We're back and my guest as I mentioned John grishpol Co, 365 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 3: CEO of Maximospace dot Com. John, if you had to 366 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 3: look into the future, And by the way, I don't 367 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 3: want to be Massachusetts focused, but we are a radio station, 368 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 3: iconic radio station here in Massachusetts. And there was statistics 369 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 3: released today that Massachusetts is one of those states that's 370 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 3: actually losing population. I know California is losing some population, 371 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 3: but you have I think it's about what fifty million 372 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 3: people there or something like that. It's a huge percentage 373 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 3: of the United States, and so. 374 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 2: You have too many. 375 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, is there a housing shortage in California? 376 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 4: There's certainly a housing shortage in California, at least an 377 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 4: affordable housing shortage. 378 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 3: Okay, And again affordable is defined as is there. You know, 379 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 3: we've all read the you know, the the mansions some 380 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 3: of the mansions that were destroyed in the Palisades fire, 381 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 3: you know, a year ago, this month and all of that. 382 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 2: But what's the average cost to have a home somewhere 383 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: in the Los Angeles area, Not that you're going to 384 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: live in the Hollywood. 385 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 3: Hills, but what are people paying these days, normal regular 386 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 3: folk paying for homes in California. 387 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 4: I'd say best case scenario in a desirable area starts 388 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 4: at around eight hundred, but realistically one one point two 389 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 4: is a true starting point for a full single family 390 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 4: home here in at least urban parts of Los Angeles. 391 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 2: Okay, well that's a big number. 392 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 3: Uh, And you have to have, I assume a pretty 393 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 3: decent job to own a home that's anywhere from eight 394 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 3: hundred to one point one million dollars? 395 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: Is that is again not to be cupid? 396 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 3: Is that sort of the mean number or the median number? 397 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 3: Is that the average cost that you're given to me. 398 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 4: I couldn't tell you as a matter of fact, that's 399 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 4: roughly where it's at. That's that's the medium price. But realistically, 400 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 4: to own a home that is nice in a nice area, 401 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 4: you're looking at one point five and up. 402 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 5: Okay, and certainly for. 403 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 4: Someone like myself, I can't. I don't own a property, 404 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,959 Speaker 4: and it's so cost restricted right now that it's not 405 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 4: even within the realm of reality for myself and a 406 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 4: lot of people like me, and a lot of people 407 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 4: older than me and younger. 408 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 3: Okay, what would it cost again in that same neighborhood 409 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 3: where you know, people would have to pay anywhere from 410 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 3: eight hundred to to one point one to one point 411 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 3: five what would a so called tiny home starter home? 412 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 3: Not an accessory unit here, but you know, a standalone 413 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 3: home could be built as a tiny home in one 414 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 3: of those communities for approximately how much? 415 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: What percentage of that? 416 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 4: It's half a third to a half at the most, 417 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 4: I'll say, for let's call it an eight hundred square 418 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 4: foot two bedroom, two baths, you can expect to spend 419 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 4: anywhere from two fifty to three hundred for that type 420 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 4: of unit. 421 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 2: Okay, so that's very affordable, but it's also small. How 422 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 2: has how long have you been I think you said 423 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 2: you've been in operation for a few years. 424 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 3: Do you get a sense that the market is picking up, 425 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 3: that it's that that your potential group of buyers is increasing. 426 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 3: I assume that I know you're doing some accessory units. 427 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 3: I get that accessory dwelling units, but I'm talking about 428 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 3: the standalone homes. 429 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: Is your business still growing? 430 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 4: It certainly is. I Mean, look, I've followed ad us 431 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 4: for the last seven or eight years now, so I've 432 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 4: always known that they're a thing, and I totally understand 433 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 4: the benefits of them. That said, a lot of people 434 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 4: are still just learning about them, even here in California. 435 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,959 Speaker 4: So as the concept gets bigger, as one neighbor builds 436 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 4: one and talks to their neighbor and says about talk 437 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 4: to them about how much they love it, and how 438 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 4: they're earning passive income, or how they were able to 439 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 4: bring their mom to come live with them instead of 440 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 4: the cost of a retirement community. It's spreading big. I 441 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 4: wouldn't use the term wildfire because it's not a nice 442 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 4: term here in California these days. 443 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 5: But it's quick. 444 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going fast. And I think as more people 445 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 4: understand the concept, understand the benefits, and also as the 446 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 4: cities and the state get more comfortable with the conversation, 447 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 4: it has only made it, like I mentioned earlier, easier 448 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 4: for homeowners to do it, faster for them to do it. 449 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 4: And there's more and more grants and loan opportunities from 450 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 4: the state and from private parties that again are just 451 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 4: trying to advocate for the people who see this opportunity, 452 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 4: whether they choose to rent it out and earn some 453 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 4: passive income, or if they choose to build it for 454 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 4: family or otherwise. 455 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 456 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 3: The other point that I often think about is that 457 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 3: if I were in the situation of a young homeowner today. 458 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 3: If I was priced out of the market, I mean 459 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 3: all of us at some point, I guess, get priced 460 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 3: out of the market. You want to buy a Ferrari 461 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 3: or a Mazarat, Well, you know that's not happening, So 462 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 3: you buy a car that does the same thing get 463 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 3: you around, perhaps not as stylishly. Same way with with 464 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 3: where you choose to live, and will or will you 465 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 3: choose to work. 466 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 2: Everybody wants to live. 467 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 3: In San Francisco, in Pacific Heights, everybody wants to live 468 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 3: in the West Village in New York. Everybody wants to 469 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 3: live in the Back Bank in Boston. But everybody cat 470 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 3: live in those places. And you would think that a 471 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 3: lot of people will will begin to, I guess, tone 472 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 3: down their expectations. And what you're proposing is one way 473 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 3: in which people could maintain some proximity to the cities 474 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 3: where they want to live. And uh, and I wish 475 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 3: you're best of luck and success with it. I think 476 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 3: we've covered the waterfront here and I don't want to 477 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 3: drag it out on you anymore, but I think we 478 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 3: had a more pleasant conversation than we did a couple 479 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 3: of weeks ago. And I think the extra time gave 480 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 3: you an opportunity to explain exactly what product you believe 481 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 3: in and what what product you have you have formed 482 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 3: a company to to make available to the public maxiblespace 483 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 3: dot com. 484 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 4: I agree with you, and thanks again for having me on. 485 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 4: This is a great conversation. If I can leave everyone 486 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 4: with one thing, I'll say that just remember that this 487 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 4: housing is not optional. It's not If we can find space, 488 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 4: we'll do it. I don't know anything about Massachusetts shrinking 489 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 4: as far as population, but either way, there is a 490 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 4: housing crisis and the ability to build a to use 491 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 4: for anyone who owns a property to add at least 492 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 4: one to their lot. These aren't faithless strangers. For the 493 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 4: most part. A lot of these day to use are 494 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 4: keeping community in mind. It's grandma living in the back, 495 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 4: it's boom er kid coming back from college living in 496 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 4: the back, And a lot of the design restrictions and 497 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 4: constraints around these regulations are really there to ensure that 498 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 4: your concern doesn't become a reality. So I look forward 499 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 4: to see how things develop. I'm happy to point people 500 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 4: in the right direction, but the first place to start 501 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 4: is just type in ADU Massachusetts ADU Boston. Get a 502 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 4: sense of what the regulations are in your local municipality 503 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 4: and figure out if this is something that interests you 504 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 4: that you're curious about adding to your lot. Take a 505 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 4: look into it and see what the cards hold for you. 506 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 2: All right, John, appreciate your time tonight. Again. 507 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 3: Well maybe perhaps we'll talk again, particularly if the market 508 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 3: heats up here in Massachusetts. 509 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 510 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 4: I would love that. Thank you, Dan. 511 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 2: All Right, we're going to take a break up. 512 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 3: I would love to hear from some of you now 513 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 3: that you've listened to what John had to say. 514 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 2: Accessory dwelling units I think pretty. 515 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 3: Well accepted, and John used some of the terms somewhat interchangeably. 516 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 3: But the idea of you know, adding a room or 517 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 3: or basically changing a couple of rooms in your house 518 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 3: that would allow again an older parent to live, I 519 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 3: don't think anyone has an issue with that. The issue 520 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 3: that I had in talking with him two weeks ago, 521 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 3: it was a less volatile conversation tonight, was when a 522 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 3: community turns around and says, Okay, if you want to 523 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 3: build a small eight hundred square foot house on your property, 524 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 3: go ahead, go ahead. The question is, how does that 525 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 3: affect the property value of your neighbors. And if you 526 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 3: live in a community that does have, let us say, 527 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 3: a minimum half acre zoning, and in some communities it's 528 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 3: one part of town, it's another part of town. I'd 529 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 3: love to hear from some of you who are in 530 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 3: inst in real estate. We have about I don't know 531 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 3: twenty well, we get about fifteen minutes left in this hour. 532 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 3: I'd love to know what you think about this. I 533 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 3: think it's something that we're going to be seeing in 534 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 3: Massachusetts because we've already seeing it in California. And it's 535 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 3: something that I think our selectmen are going to have 536 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 3: to deal with in Massachusetts when there are challenges to 537 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 3: zoning laws. 538 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 2: A lot of these cases will end up in court. 539 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 3: As they say, I find it ironic that today there's 540 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 3: a report out that Massachusetts has actually lost I think 541 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 3: it's thirty thousand people. We'll do something on that later 542 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 3: this week in greater depth. And yet they're pushing MBTA 543 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 3: Communities Act, and there's a lot of communities that don't 544 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 3: want to participate it, and it seems to me it 545 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 3: should be up to the individual communities. If there are 546 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 3: communities who welcome it, great. If there are communities that 547 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 3: don't welcome it and say no, we don't want the 548 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 3: characterization of our community, characteristics of our community to change, 549 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 3: then they should be great. Now, obviously you can't use 550 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 3: zoning laws to discriminate against people based upon race or 551 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 3: any of the other immutable characteristics that define us. But 552 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 3: if they say, look, we don't want tiny homes in 553 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 3: our community because it will devalue the value of the 554 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 3: property in our community. It also will increase exponentially the 555 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 3: number of kids in our school system. And now again 556 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 3: those all of those concerns I think illegitimate. I'll open 557 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,479 Speaker 3: this up real quickly if you want to jump on 558 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 3: board and chat about it. We try to do some 559 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 3: of these subjects that are a little bit different. After 560 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 3: eleven o'clock, we're going to go and get back to 561 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 3: the whole situation in Minnesota, which I think is going 562 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 3: to be with us for some time until there's some 563 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 3: sort of a break one way or the other. Give 564 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 3: us a call again. The accessory or auxiliary dwelling units, 565 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 3: that's pretty acceptable. I don't think many people have an 566 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 3: objection to that. But if you live in a community 567 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 3: and you're in a half acre community, and all of 568 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 3: a sudden, your neighbor says to you, Hey, I'm thinking 569 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 3: of putting up a little extra house in my property. 570 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 3: Are you going to object to it? That's my question? 571 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 3: Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six one seven, 572 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 3: nine three, one ten thirty Back of Nightside right after this, 573 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 3: give us a quick call open lines. 574 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 575 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about it. Let's go to Bradley 576 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 3: and Marlborough. Bradley, you were first up this hour and nights. 577 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 3: I appreciate you calling in. What's your thought on this? 578 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 3: I think eventually we're going to be dealing with tiny 579 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 3: homes and starter home issues and communities like Marlborough. 580 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, hey, Dan, how you doing? 581 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 4: Uh? 582 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 5: I just think this is a really interesting topic, especially 583 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 5: for young men like myself, you know, as a potential 584 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 5: wealth building, generational tool for families. You know, I've got 585 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 5: relatives who are getting pretty older in age moo owned 586 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 5: properties who were starting to have that conversation if we're 587 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 5: interested in keeping these properties in the family, you know, 588 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 5: multi generational and you know, one of my relatives has 589 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 5: a double lot down on the cape and this is 590 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 5: something that I've been considering myself. You know, this property 591 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 5: gets past on to me. 592 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 3: So, yeah, when he's when when your relative has a 593 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 3: double lot, what did they have a minimum lot sizes 594 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 3: in the Cape town? 595 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 2: You don't have to tell us what town it is. 596 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 2: But does that what that means? 597 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 3: A double lot he's got twice he could have two homes, 598 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 3: one home in each lot. 599 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 5: That's right. When he bought it. It was zoned for 600 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 5: two streets, but there was only one house on the by. 601 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 5: With the twenty twenty four Massachusetts AC or whatever, with 602 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 5: the ad us, I think it's easy to build them 603 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 5: on those now. So especially in the revenue that the 604 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 5: Cape season the summer, it's a pretty good idea. You know, 605 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 5: if you don't live there, rent out both of the houses, 606 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 5: and you got yourself some passive income. 607 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 2: Okay. 608 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 3: So but my question which I don't understand, okay, and 609 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 3: I want to make sure I do understand it. 610 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 2: When we say. 611 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 3: Use the term ADU, which is accessory dwelling units, I 612 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 3: think of that as somebody putting another bedroom in a 613 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 3: bathroom on for their grandmother or their their mother in law. Okay, 614 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 3: a mother in law apartment. If you got a double lot. 615 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 3: What would prevent you from building a second house on 616 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,280 Speaker 3: the second lot. It would seem to me that that's 617 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 3: what a double lot means. 618 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, nothing would prevent me from doing that, 619 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 5: But I mean I think the ADU would be more 620 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 5: cost effective. 621 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 2: You know, well, what do. 622 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 3: You mean by an a do you if you mean 623 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 3: by an aid to you an addition onto the prop 624 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 3: the house that exists, you can put in an addition 625 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 3: on the house that exists and then put a second 626 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 3: house on the second lot. 627 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,720 Speaker 5: I believe the last states up to like nine hundred 628 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,439 Speaker 5: square feet. You can build it, right, So I'd say 629 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 5: probably just a small two bedroom, one bathroom or something 630 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 5: like that, nine hundred square feet. Yeah. 631 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 3: So now the question is for you is is your relative, 632 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 3: whether it's an uncle or a cousin, you got to 633 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 3: approach them and see if they're amenable to work in 634 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 3: a deal with you. 635 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, it's something that we got to talk about. 636 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 5: I mext to your conversation the other night, Dan, when 637 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 5: you're talking about National Grid and all that. I just 638 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 5: wanted to let you know that anybody out there that 639 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 5: National Grid has a lot of different protections that they 640 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 5: offer for the customers. If you've got an infant under 641 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 5: twelve months, you can offer infant hide ship protection and 642 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 5: they won't shut your lights off. If you're over sixty five, 643 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 5: you can get elderly protection. They won't shut your lights 644 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 5: off if you're elderly. And also if you have medical 645 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 5: port a chronic illness, then won't show your lights off 646 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 5: with that either. 647 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I certainly would hope they wouldn't. And uh, and 648 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 3: thank you for reminding us about that. Thank you, Bradley. 649 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 3: Appreciate your calling. If I had you on the show 650 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 3: before your first time. 651 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,439 Speaker 5: Caller, I'm gonna repeat calling. 652 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, well keep calling, keep calling. I enjoyed the conversation, 653 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,399 Speaker 3: and thank you very much for your time. 654 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 5: All Right, good night, Dan, have a good night, Have 655 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 5: a great night. 656 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 2: Here comes the eleven o'clock news. We come back on 657 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:27,240 Speaker 2: the other side. 658 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 3: I want to know if you are if your view 659 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 3: of what's going on in Minnesota is changing one way 660 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 3: or the other. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten 661 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 3: thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty feel 662 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 3: free to join the conversation.