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Speaker 1: All right back on the Big One, seven hundred WLW Foura,

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Speaker 1: Dan Carroll, Jason Williams, n Fretti and Rockey.

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Speaker 2: And Jason. I want to do something right now.

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Speaker 1: I want people, if they're listening to us, if you're

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Speaker 1: in your car, I just want you to bear down

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Speaker 1: here for the next about the thirty forty seconds or so,

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Speaker 1: and I want you to listen to a SoundBite. This

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Speaker 1: is a SoundBite of David Muir. He's the main anchor

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Speaker 1: on ABC News, that ABC Evening News. Millions of millions

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Speaker 1: of Americans get their news from this guy every single night,

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Speaker 1: and I believe this was their Friday night newscast when

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Speaker 1: David Muir came on with this very urgent dispatch. And

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Speaker 1: listen to how he gets into this story. Sean McMahon,

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Speaker 1: let's hear cut number one.

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Speaker 3: Tonight, President Trump has repealed US power to regulate climate

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Speaker 3: in this country. The President officially rejecting the science and

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Speaker 3: what this now clears the way for critics tonight arguing

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Speaker 3: this is not only dangerous for the environment, but for

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Speaker 3: your health.

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Speaker 1: So David Muir is a main anchor on ABC News.

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Speaker 1: He came out and said President Trump has repealed US

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Speaker 1: power to regulate climate in this country. Look, I try

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Speaker 1: to pay attention to the news. I try to keep

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Speaker 1: up with what's going on. So did I miss the

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Speaker 1: part where we gain the power to regulate climates in

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Speaker 1: this country? Did that one get behind me? Some Look,

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Speaker 1: I'm not perfect. I miss things something. You know, sometimes you.

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Speaker 2: Watch this stuff so others don't happen.

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Speaker 1: I miss things from time to time. I'm like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: I didn't see that big news story. Somehow, somehow, I uh, I,

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Speaker 1: you know, I whiffed on the notion that we had

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Speaker 1: the power to regulate climate in this country.

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Speaker 2: According to David Muir, how does that happen? That's that's

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Speaker 2: that's a that's a very very complex projects. It's hard.

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Speaker 2: That seems impossible.

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Speaker 1: So when I heard this, I reached out to my

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Speaker 1: buddy Steve Gorm, who is the executive director of the

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Speaker 1: Climate Science Collalition of America and the author of four

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Speaker 1: books on energy, climate change, sustainable development, over one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand copies in print. His latest book is Green Breakdown

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Speaker 1: Becoming Renewable Energy Failure. And Steve Gorm, it's great to

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Speaker 1: seems to me for the main anchor of a major

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Speaker 2: Is it just me? Or am I overplying my hand?

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Speaker 5: Hi Dan, Hi, Jason. Great to join you again, And yeah,

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Speaker 5: it is remarkable. And David Muir is a smart guy.

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Speaker 5: You know, you just have to wonder where he gets

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Speaker 5: this idea that we can regulate the climate. There is

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Speaker 5: no evidence. You know, the world has spent ten trillion

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Speaker 5: dollars over the last twenty years, We've had thirty conferences

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Speaker 5: of parties by the United Nations. But atmosphere carbonize at

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Speaker 5: diocxi continues to rise. It's even been rising faster than

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Speaker 5: you know, this whole idea of fighting climate change is

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Speaker 5: folks like David Muir saying, hey, we know how to

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Speaker 5: from us, but it is an interesting day today. And

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Speaker 5: now is the official policy of the United States that

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Speaker 5: greenhouse gases do not cause do not harm citizens. Human

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Speaker 4: Now, this is a pretty big deal.

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Speaker 5: The whole US government policy to try and hold greenhouse

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Speaker 5: And at that point, the EPA ruled that people human

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Speaker 1: Steve Gorham, do you have a sense that the air

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Speaker 2: Now that's a good thing. I mean, we should all

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Speaker 1: So why why should anyone these days pay attention to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I capture a lot of those in my books,

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Speaker 4: Well, there's all kinds of crazy things that is that.

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Speaker 4: Believe in climate change. Well, they know that is wrong.

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Speaker 5: That statement is wrong either they know where they're completely ignorant, ignorant.

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Speaker 5: I've never met an intelligent person that doesn't think the

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Speaker 5: So this stuff is just analysts, it's it's errors that's

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Speaker 2: You couldn't have said that any better. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Pro Long before there was a power plan or an

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Speaker 2: I mean it's not, it's not you know, the earth

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be around here billions of years

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the only sensible policy is to adapt to the climate,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to real quick too, as we're talking

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Speaker 1: Well, and I know you've got all this kind of

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Speaker 2: You're Steve gorm.

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Speaker 1: If people want to find out more about you and

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Speaker 2: Where do they do that?

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Speaker 5: them signed copies and Green Breakdown not only is the

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Speaker 5: There are about one hundred and fifty colored sidebars. One

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Speaker 5: so people see you get the real story.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if if people would just put the hysterics aside, uh,

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Speaker 1: always appreciate the time, man, Thank you very much, and

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Speaker 2: Thanks Steve.

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Speaker 1: So there you go, the one and only Steve Gorm.

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Speaker 1: Guy's great and uh, I mean really puts good for

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Speaker 2: Remember the remember the say, remember the farting cows, no, I.

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Speaker 1: Can't have that. AOC was big on that. She wasn't

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Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't, but I saw I heard that.

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Speaker 2: She somewhere in another country, right, she was something? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: It was. It was.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a hard time, hard for her to

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Speaker 1: live that one down now now that she wants to.

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Speaker 1: It was, it was, it was. It was terrible. She

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Speaker 2: When she gets asked about really serious things, she can't.

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Speaker 2: It didn't work out.

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Speaker 4: Good luck.

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Speaker 1: Let's get a little trafficking weather together on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 7: From the UC Health Traffic Center. Around forty percent of

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Speaker 7: Called five one three five eighty five UCCC one accident

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Speaker 6: It's time to stop being a clown. Was This is

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Speaker 6: a public service announcement from seven hundred WLW and wash

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Speaker 6: your hands My Heart.

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Speaker 1: US skator Kristin Santos Griswold failed to advance to this