WEBVTT - Eddie and Rocky -- 12/24/25 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:02.680 All right, here we go back on the Big one, 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:07.760 seven hundred double Christmas See Eddie and Rocky Show, three 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:09.479 hours of live radio coming at you. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:12.400 Wait like a damn Carol. 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.760 Jason Williams in for Eddie and Rocky, and I said live, 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:20.560 little live radio, Eddie, little extra PiZZ Hey, It's I'm 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:22.639 fired up. It's Christmas Eve. It's great to be here. 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.280 It's also a Wednesday, and on the Eddie and Rocky 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:30.480 Show on Wednesday, that always means Wednesdays with Willy, Willy 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.760 and Willie is here now, Bill. 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:38.680 Merry Christmas to you, sir, How are you merry Christmas? Son? 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:42.040 Well, I'll tell you what, Dan and Jays. I'm living 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:44.160 on the fat of calf. Getting ready for a little 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.440 candlelight buffet dinner tonight at Kenwick Country Club, and then 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:50.240 we're going to go to Mass and our Lady of 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.880 Victory to acknowledge the real reason for Christmas. Then come 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.160 back home late tonight and uh go to bed, get 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.400 up and hopefully I have more family members over. It 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.040 can't get much better than this. Boys, we're always complaining 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.960 and moan, but this is the greatest country, the greatest time, 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.119 and the greatest men. And women to be around. I've 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:11.839 ever been congratulations on both of your successes and God 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:13.319 bless you, and God bless America. 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:15.240 God bless America. Let's Bill. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.480 I want to recap some of the some of the 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:21.039 breaking news that happened yesterday. Right around this time, we 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:25.000 were getting the statement from the prosecutor Connie Pillach talking 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:30.200 about how the corner of lacksmis Marco had made an 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.200 air in the way she was looking at the files 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:37.959 of the of Elwood Jones and his victim. And we 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:42.720 also later on heard from the corner saying that she 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.600 didn't use the word mistake in her press release, but 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.760 she had a couple of different things going on there. 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:53.680 To my way of thinking, Bill, this issue with the hepatitis, 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:57.080 it doesn't seem to me that the guilt or innocence 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:01.840 of Elwood Jones really pivots on this particular issue. And 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:06.520 even if he doesn't have hepatitis, it seems to me 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:11.280 they're the evidence far out weighs beyond a reasonable doubt 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:13.160 that he's the one who committed this crime. 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.880 Well as Jason knows, I'll rephrase the comments of Hillary Clinton, 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.720 what difference does it make? And the answer is no, difference. 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:26.000 And that's according to the defense medical experts, who said 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:30.519 that there's only a thirty percent chance or less, assuming 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:34.720 that Rhoda had hepatitis B, and assuming that Elwood didn't 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.760 have it and edwarll Elwood punched her a teeth into 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:41.200 her stomach, which he did, there's only a thirty percent 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.840 chance that Rhoda is so called hep B would get 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.239 into the body of Elwood. So this is seventy percent 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.680 chance that wouldn't so if anything do. For anyone to 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:55.079 say that it excludes him is wrong. And last me, 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.560 some Marco as you know, came on with me and 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:02.480 you're good friend Gary Jeff Walker and said that the odds, 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:06.720 shall we say, of a transmission is well less than 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:10.320 thirty percent. It's probably in the four to five percent range. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.400 So to anyone to hang their hat on the hook 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:17.919 that allegedly Rhoda who's dead, had he be her family 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.480 disputes that and all of a sudden it didn't go 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:24.560 to Elwood, that issue is just positive, like DNA is wrong. 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.800 More important than that is the fact that when the 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:33.000 couple came up from the buffet breakfast and first looked 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.640 at their friend, Rotea's body. The first thing the woman 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.560 said to her husband was, look, they took her diamond 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.760 necklace too, And that diamond necklace was worn to her 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.840 permanently because the class in the back was too small 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.040 to work with. And so even when she took a shower, 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:52.720 which she did that day, she kept it on. And 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:57.480 where did the authorities find the diamond brooch necklace in the. 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:58.480 Toolbox of Eltwood? 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:02.280 Jones and so explain Rhydle me that one batman, how 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:05.600 could anyone plant the evidence which nobody would do with 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.840 you think Joe Dieters and that Blue Ash Police and 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:12.000 Mark Pete Meyer would plant evidence to make sure that 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.000 a guilty man was set free and that an innocent man, 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:16.440 Elwood was convicted. 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:17.159 I don't think so. 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:21.359 But the braceleb sorry, the necklace was out of the 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:26.479 possession of the Blue Ash Police before they arrived. It 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:30.120 was gone, and it was found in the toolbox of Elwood. 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:34.600 And secondly, that the boxer virus that you only get 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.640 when you punch somebody in the mouth because there's bacteria. 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:41.120 The gum line got into the body of Elwood testified 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.640 to buy a hand specialist. He had it and he 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:45.440 never had an explanation. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:45.960 Of how he hurt his hand. 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.120 He hurt his hand by smashing it into the skull 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.039 and teeth of Rhoda. That's how he hurt his hand. 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.760 He told two or three different stories to co workers. 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:57.120 His hand was all wrapped up. On top of that, 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.880 On top of that, Jason, this guy was a burg 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.400 He beat up woman, He beat up cops. He went 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.240 to prison twice, and he had a pass key and 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.320 an upscale apartment to steal more stuff. Can you smell 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:10.000 when I'm cooking? 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:12.000 Keep going, man, keep going? 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:16.400 In addition to that, now. 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.640 Hey, real quick, I want to ask you this. 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.359 What is the and this is what I've been dying 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.760 to ask this question, and it's got to be addressed 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.640 to you and Dan and I talked about it. Uh, 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.760 what is the possible play here of taking this the 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:35.520 next extraordinary step from pillage to just throw deaders under 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.560 the bus, as he said in his UH letter, Like 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.880 you know, reasonable people can disagree on the decision here 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.760 and on the evidence of everything, but to then take 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.279 the next step and throw all these accusations out at deaders, 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:53.120 and especially like when he's long gone from the prosecutor's office, 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.440 never coming back the Republicans are never getting that seat back. 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.480 I don't think like, what possibly is there is there 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.240 some kind of like what would be the is there 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.880 political play here in in why? 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.120 And even why it's. 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:13.000 Inexperience assuming she believed that l would on one day. Oh, 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:15.840 I assume you two gentlemen this question. On one side 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.240 of the fence, I'll call it the right side of 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.719 the fence saying that he did it are Joe Dieters, 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:28.720 Seth Tiger, Mark Pete Meyer, the Blue Ash Police Department, 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:32.760 the FBI who did investigations of the walkie talking imprint 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.240 onto her side of her face in addition to the teeth. 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.839 And then you have as many as thirty judges, beginning 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.440 with the trial judge, all the way through the state system, 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:43.240 all the way through the federal system. 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.520 Every one of them said he did it. 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.039 And this canard that all the evidence has not turned 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.400 on that Mark Petemeyer and Seth Tiger and Joe Deaters 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:56.080 had the secret pieces of evidence that they didn't turn 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.960 over under the twenty oh three Brady decision is fault 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:04.880 the courts of appeals have they gave all the evidence 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.680 that was relevant and they had other pieces of paper 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:11.520 of witnesses that said we saw nothing. Secondly, there was 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:13.600 one witness who said more or less of the time 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.240 of the killing, I think I saw a white guy 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:18.080 run out the back of a building. 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:19.760 Who was it? I don't know. 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.160 Call your witness. Did he Did he have in his 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.880 possession the diamond necklace? Was his hand injured? Find the 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:28.360 bacteria on Rhodes rhode? 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:29.160 His gun line? 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:34.200 No, it was a piece of paper that said someone. 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.960 And they also had a confession of someone in the 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.120 Hamlety County jail, a woman who said, my husband told 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.760 me that he killed that woman in Blue Ash and 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.640 the husband, this is going back twenty five to thirty years, 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.520 is dead and the woman was mentally ill when she 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.080 made the statement. And so on one side of the 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:55.360 fence you got Mark Pete Meyer, set Tiger Joe Leaders, 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:59.520 the Blue Ash Police, the FBI, thirty state and federal judges. 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:04.280 On the other you have Wendy Cross and Connie Pillage. 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:05.760 Who would you believe? 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:08.640 I think, I think I know where I'm going. 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:14.920 And then the notion Bill Cunningham that that that's somehow 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:18.920 the office of Joe Dieters engaged in some sort of 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:24.360 h canery, some sort of underhanded operation, some sort of 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.520 cutting corners or not doing things the right way, that 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.560 maybe their work wasn't up to the standard that's acceptable 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:37.439 to Connie Pillage, that notion is just just it's. 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:38.640 Ridiculous on its face. 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:43.480 I spent years before I got into this job as 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:47.120 a reporter for Fox nineteen covering the daily cumings and 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.320 goings of Joe Deeters in his office and Seth Tiger 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.760 and Mark Pete Meyer. I saw those guys in action 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:57.080 almost every single day, and there was never a hint 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:01.160 of any impropriety in that office whatsoe but the way 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:05.000 and she did it again yesterday when she suggested that 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.480 you know, somehow there was the withholding of evidence or 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.520 maybe you know, their work was a little bit sloppy 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.200 and and you know, we didn't have time to get 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.600 into it. But it's to my way of thinking, it's 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:20.320 an absolute disgrace that this prosecutor who didn't even check 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.280 in with Joe Dieters, who didn't even say, hey, look, 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:27.960 mister former prosecutor, this is what I'm looking at, and 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.199 I think we know we're not going to go forward 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.120 with this retrial because of this. This and this to 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:37.480 not even run that theory by him and and get 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.160 his And she said, why do I want his opinion 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:46.720 on this? Well, remember this case very well? Are you 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:47.200 kidding me? 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:51.760 It is a felony called obstruction of justice to convict 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:55.040 an innocent man, which is a federal civil rights violations. 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:57.960 If Joe Neaters and Mark Pete Myer and Seth Tiger 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:02.040 did what Connie says they did, they should be indicted 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:05.600 in Hamlin County. They should be indicted by federal grand juries. 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.240 They should go to trial and go to prison for 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:12.880 years for planning evidence and being incompetent and cheating in 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.400 an agger red a murder case. This wasn't a speeding 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.719 violation like that derelict that driving one hundred miles in 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:19.679 our Montgomery road. 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.480 This was a murder. And they didn't arrest. 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:26.000 Elwood for one year after the fact because they wanted 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:31.160 to go over and over and over experts as CSI investigations, 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:35.840 the FBI, the imprints, the blood, the necklace, what kind 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.360 of pig that they spent a year because this was 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.160 a woman who came here for a Barton mitzvah from 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:45.080 Toms River, New Jersey, and they felt particular in the 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.960 Blue Ash Police they had like one murder every five 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.320 years and they were up in arms we got to 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:52.640 find this guy. And they were so careful to make 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.920 sure that the right person, and a multi racial jury 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.120 was out just a short period of times that of. 0:10:59.000 --> 0:10:59.880 Course he's guilty. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:02.640 And Number one is the kind of person that would 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:05.000 do it because of his previous record. 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:06.479 Of violence and burglary. 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.760 He's got a pass key Dupscale Motels h and he's 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:12.840 using it. That was a bad hire by the way, 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.280 by MS Sweets. And he was the only person that 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:20.720 had the products of the theft in his possession. And 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:24.200 he had the Boxer's virus in his left hand, which 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.640 you only get from the doctors from someone's mouth. It's 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:29.880 a special little bacteria we. 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:34.080 All have, and he had that. And they waited and waited. 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:35.720 For the test results to come back make sure they 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.319 got the right guy. And I think what's behind this 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.840 is there's a sense among many in our community that 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:46.560 Joe Leaders over prosecuted, prosecuted the wrong people and and uh, 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.520 the guy has to be an integrity unit now, an 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.880 integrity unit to look at Mark Pete Mayer and make 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:54.959 sure these guys had integrity. 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.079 Past wrong, correct. 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:04.199 Them and Jason. The next one's going to be Tracy Hunter. Yeah, 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.200 Tracy Hunter is going to be a motion for a 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.920 new trial, ran it and then dismissed. 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.240 It's ll be on the bench within two or three years. 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.360 Right, Yeah, that's a great point you bring up. What 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:15.840 is the bigger picture of all this? Is this just 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.160 the beginning of a decision like this? Will there be 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:23.400 other decisions like this rendered by the prosecutor's office in 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:24.160 your mind. 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.400 Well, the hope is that she'll stop. 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:29.720 Now it's only been there, what not quite a year, 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:34.079 and she's inexperienced. But the hope is, after this firestorm, 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.320 that she'll say, now, wait a minute before I choose 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:43.280 former prosecutors of committing crimes in office to convict an 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.960 innocent man, to put him on death row for twenty 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.400 eight years, I'm gonna make damn sure. I'm gonna I 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.920 have the facts in the law on my side. And secondly, 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.160 I'm not going to do this again because this is 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:00.040 tearing people apart, especially wrote to Nathan's family, and we 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.000 got to stop. Do I think it'll stop? I don't 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:02.320 think so. 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.320 But gentlemen, last point, I know you got to go. 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:09.200 There's a huge civil lawsuit out there, millions of dollars. 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.840 And the county prosecutor stood up in front of God 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:17.240 country and the media and said, prosecutor's office made a mistake. 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:21.840 This is a wrongful prosecution. She conceded liability and said 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:26.439 Ellwood was cheated. So at this huge lawsuit coming next year, 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.320 how many county taxpayers are going to pay millions of 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:33.480 dollars because of Elwood Jones? Because what is it worth 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:37.160 to be locked up in death throw for twenty eight years? Well, 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.480 what do you so a liability is conceded? According to 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.319 county pillage, we did it and now we have to 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.800 pay you money. How many millions of dollars is it 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.360 worth for you, Jason Williams, to be on death row 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.480 for twenty eight years when the prosecutor's office says you 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:53.600 were wrongfully convicted? 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:54.760 How much is that worth? 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.920 Check out that you can't exactly build a lot of zeros. 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:01.360 That's the next shoot to drop. 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.200 Yeah, Bill, we gotta leave it right there. Merry Christmas 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.600 to you and yours all the best to you in 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.200 the new year, and we'll we will be seeing you 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.040 in the new year. But thank you for being here 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:15.240 on this Wednesday with Willie. 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Another crash 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.360 at Mark Bright Avenue in southbound two seventy five down 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:00.040 to one lane at the Indiana Kentucky line for a 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.920 here's to the Carol Cropper Bridge. Expect de lace if 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.320 you plan on going through there on that He's like 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:11.160 On news radio seven hundred WLW. 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.240 The nine first one forecast, a beautiful afternoon today is 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.200 going to give way to some showers and thunderstorms tonight, 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:21.600 with the temperature continuing the climb into the mid fifties 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:25.760 now for Christmas Day, a forty percent chance of showers, 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:29.080 mainly before one, and we'll have a high on Christmas 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:33.120 of fifty nine. Rain is likely tomorrow night, the overnight 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:36.680 low forty four. Looking ahead to Friday, rain is likely 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.240 and mostly cloudy on Saturday, with a high of sixty 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:48.880 Right now fifty three at seven hundred WLW. 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:49.800 There's a little. 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.880 Christmas music forty Jayson Williams and Carol Jason Williams in 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:56.640 Freighting the Rock. Liam Tomlinson, you saying, lady, I saw 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:58.840 Liam out in the hall. He's got his Christmas sweater on. 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.240 He told me he's going to his grandma's house. 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:04.480 I don't like it, so. 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:06.840 Good for him, absolutely, And he's and he's got one 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:10.520 of those look I mean, it's to my way of thinking, 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:14.400 it's way too hot to wear a Christmas sweater. 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:18.800 Today it was like sixty to threes. What are you 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:20.680 you wear shorts? Do you get shorts on? Over there? 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:20.960 No? 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.520 I got, I got golf pants on. I came straight 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.320 from the golf course. It looks like it. 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:27.120 Well that's all right. 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.880 Uh, let's see, we've got football action coming up on 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.800 Christmas Day, which is tomorrow. I know we got in 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.120 all those uh Liam, all those games are going to 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:42.680 be right here on seven hundred WLW Is that right, Cowboys, Commanders, Lions, Vikings, Bronx. Yes, yeah, 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:46.760 we've got a big lineup of football for you tomorrow. So, uh, 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.640 I don't know, do you suspect to be any sports 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:52.000 wagering going on? 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:52.360 Oh? 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.320 Yeah, a big NFL week It's a big NFL weekend, 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.880 a lot of big games. Is a big necessarily tomorrow's 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.760 games or because the player implications? We absolutely, I mean, 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.000 it's interesting to look at these games how they were 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.840 originally set up. They originally scheduled for Christmas Day because 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:09.960 they thought all six of these teams would be in 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:13.760 playoff contentions. You think about that Broncos Chiefs game. Wow, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:15.800 well that had been a phenomenal game. 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:22.119 But yeah, Chiefs because he got Mahomes blew out his knee. 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.920 Garner Minshew, their backup quarterback blew out his knee. Who's 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.120 playing quarterback for them? I'm not actually sure. I don't 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:29.879 even looked that up. I don't know. I'll look it 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.320 up right now. Tony Pike get a phone call from 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:36.360 the Chiefs. He might have in any case to help 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:38.800 us understand the lines and the wagering and all the 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:40.960 other stuff. We turned to Jason Hoffman, who is the 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.720 sports editor at the Cincinnati Inquirer, and Jason Hoffman, Welcome 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.120 to seven hundred WLW and Merry Christmas. 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:50.920 To you, Hey, Merry Christmas to you too. 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:51.640 Hey. 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.000 I'm looking at the first thing that strikes me when 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:58.040 I'm looking at these spreads. Is it just because of 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:02.480 the body of work that these teams have put out 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:06.480 that Vegas can call Dallas an eight and a half 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:10.280 point favorite. They can call the Lions a seven and 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:14.280 a half point favorite over the Vikings, the Broncos thirteen 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:17.920 and a half point favorite over the Kansas City Chief 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:19.639 Those numbers seem huge to me. 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:22.320 Yeah. 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:26.080 So the way that the spreads work, there's guys that 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.920 are way smarter than me and gals that are at 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:32.160 these sportsbooks in Vegas, And what they do is they 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:35.359 operate off of what we call in the gambling world 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:39.480 prime numbers. Right, So the types of numbers that you 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.439 can score in a given game. So the start with 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:46.160 three points, six point seven points. 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:46.399 And go off that. 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:50.920 Now, the goal of these lines is to give you 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:55.000 an implied win probability, right, So thirteen and a half points. 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:57.240 That's a big number to cover. 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:57.760 In the NFL. 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.399 That's more that's usually a college type think. But the 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.359 real reason for the lines is that that book wants 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.080 to get as close to half of the money on 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.919 each side of it, so that they make ten percent 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:11.200 off of all the bets no matter what. That's why 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.520 you see that minus one ten next to it for 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.520 the odds, because the book's going to make you spend 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.040 one hundred and ten dollars to win one hundred. So 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.120 they go off that, and then there's a whole bunch 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.280 of metrics to go off of. If you ever want 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:27.000 to get into a super nerd rant about it, I 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.119 can talk about it forever, but basically that the key 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:34.639 numbers are expected points per play, expected points per drive, 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:38.320 points allowed per drive points allowed per play from the defense, 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:39.359 and then they go from there. 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.600 I mean, what could have been in Jay and Merry Christmas? 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:42.840 To you? 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.720 What could have been in these Christmas Day matchups? But 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:50.879 as as is, the only teams that are still in, 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:55.240 well the Denver Broncos are in, and what they have 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:57.520 to play for right now I believe is they're still 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:00.960 playing maybe for home field advantage, and then the Lions 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.439 are the only other team that are still in it, 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.080 and they are on the outside looking in. And you 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:08.880 just look at these games, you're kind of like, well, 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.399 at the start of the season, you would have gotten 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:15.480 really excited, and now it's like, Eh, let's get to 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:17.200 the weekend. What are some other big games? 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.120 Yeah, for sure. And the weird thing is with them 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:24.560 doing all these games on Christmas Day now, they don't 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.000 have enough time. They need to give the teams two 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:30.560 weeks notice to flex out of like a primetime game. Yeah, okay, 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:33.399 how the Bengals and Dolphins were supposed to be Sunday 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:36.280 Night Football. Yeah, but the NFL, you got to give 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:38.240 them a two week notice before you flex them ount 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.480 And they can't obviously change three games because they're going 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:43.479 to be clumpers. But yeah, at the beginning of the season, 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.240 they're all divisional games. They should have all had playoff implications, 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:49.720 and that's just not the way that cookie crumbled. 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:52.200 Well, I mean, as you look at as you look 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:53.720 at these three games, and I don't know if we 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:56.040 need to go down to the spreads and the picks 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.919 and all that, but is there one of these games 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:02.679 that has any intrigued to you at all. I know 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:05.480 that again the Lions, the Lions are weird team this year. 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:09.000 It is a rivalry game against the Vikings. I guess 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:13.159 all these are divisional rivalry games. Uh, but uh, you 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.320 know the Lions are. I mean, if it's now or 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:19.480 never for them, So I guess that's maybe one of 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:23.960