WEBVTT - 10-9-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.200 Do you want to be an American idiot? 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:05.600 There we go slowly back on seven hundred WLW with 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:09.040 a day, with a day, with a day, always be 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:13.680 scared when a politician goes it's about the children. 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:15.320 It's about the children. 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:20.440 Remember, And it happens all the time when people when 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:24.160 progressives talk about doing things and protecting and saving the children, 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:27.600 and a tongue in cheek, conservatives laugh at them and go, 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:31.640 my god, they're exploiting the kids. What happens when it's 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:34.800 the other way. I wonder if democrats and progressives are 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:37.600 chuckling when Republicans do it and conservatives do it, because 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:38.400 that's what's happening now. 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.320 It's about the children. Got to save the childre. 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:48.479 Governor Mike Dwine and his jihad against anything pleasurable like 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:51.680 Hemp or Potts on full display this morning, as the 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:55.400 governor has issued a ninety day ban on THC infused 0:00:55.440 --> 0:01:00.440 gummies and beverages sold outside of licensed marijuana dispensaries. So 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.440 if you're a retailer, you got to pull all these products, 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:05.160 cease all sales, all the displays after there can be 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:09.400 no sight of anything CBD related after October fourteenth. Got 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:11.920 to be gone by October fourteenth, midnight twelve o one 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.360 am October fourteenth. Otherwise, well, you're gonna get You're gonna 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:17.240 get a good talking to, is what's going to happen there. 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:20.200 So what does it mean for small businesses in Ohio? 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:22.080 What does that mean for you as an adult and 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:24.280 choosing what goes into your body. You're still going to 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.320 be able to get CBD seltzer at a bar, which 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.760 is extremely popular. A lot of questions. I don't know 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.160 how many answers they have, but maybe got caught up. 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:35.800 And this is Jason Friedman. Jason runs Ohio CBD Guys 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:37.720 stores in the East Walnut Hills and Montgomery and Jose 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:39.200 the show. Now, Jason, how are you man? 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:40.559 Doing great? 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:41.319 Thanks for having me on. 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.280 Scott, Well, I appreciate you losing money and doing your part, 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.880 and maybe your business goes away to save the children. 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:48.919 It's the least you could do if you cared about children. 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:53.920 Damn it, Jason, you wouldn't sell these products to adults. 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.440 Oh my goodness, it's been quite quite a forty eight hours. 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:02.320 Scott feeling frustrated but actually cautiously optimistic. Here, okay, this 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.880 is the first step in cannabis reform here locally to 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:07.400 legalize this stuff, I believe. 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:11.240 Yeah, well we'll start with this, okay. And I understand 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:13.639 I'm kind of tongue in cheek about this because it's 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.240 concerning if if you know, they do an undercover operation 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:19.080 and a nefarious retail or could be like it's a 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:20.920 carryout or something like that, and they go in and 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:23.959 they buy a product that that feels like, tastes like, 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.880 and has the same effects as marijuana, which is controlled 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:30.760 in Ohio. That that's a problem. That means, you know, 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.080 there can sell it to people underage, which is not 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.200 a good thing at all. And some of these products 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.880 mimic candy packaging. The one that the wine was holding 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.360 up with Sour Patch Kids looks just like Sour Patch Kids, 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:44.000 you know, stuff like that, like packaging, and you know, 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.520 and the fact that somebody to carry out would sell 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.079 this to a teenager or a twelve year old that 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.400 bothers me. That should not be happening. But it doesn't 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:53.799 mean you should ban it, but we need to control that, agreed. 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:55.400 I agree. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:59.359 And while I the governor's focus on regulating these intoxicating 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.959 hempprockets products and keeping them away from and not marketed 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:06.160 to children, which we are aligned on. I disagree with 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.120 the methodology to which he's using to achieve his goal, 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.360 which is disastrous to small businesses like mine. 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:14.320 It really doesn't make a lot of sense because they 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.440 had a chance, and he's been pushing the legislature to 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:18.680 do something. Legislatures and done anything, and so now the 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.200 edict as well, we're going to ban it for everybody. 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.520 That doesn't make any sense. If the legislature can't legislate, 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.000 that's on those who we send a columbus to do 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:27.840 our bidding for us. 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:29.040 That's something you all got to figure out. 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.440 But issuing a ninety day ban and all this stuff, 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:36.760 which is largely almost all exclusively consumed by adults, is nonsensical. 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.760 Correct, And my understanding is that he took this action 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:45.600 to motivate the legislators to pass this. But I asked, 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:47.760 is there another way that we could have gone about 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.760 doing this other than a way that's going to damage 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:54.760 small businesses? Called can cause lots of confusion. There's still 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:59.280 clarification that's needed on what the definition of intoxicating temp 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:03.000 means in this order? Are we talking about anything with THHC, 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.520 including CBD tinctures that might have a little bit not 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.120 going to get you high, but it's got THC in it, 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.480 or are we talking about a specific milligram dosage. There's 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.520 still a lot of things that need to be cleared 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:16.960 up before October fourteenth, Scott. 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.280 Yeah, and that's that's a short time. 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.159 But the problem is is that retail is like yourself, right, 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.600 And what happened to conservatives being about the small business 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:26.600 guy in business and let business do what they do. 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.120 I don't know a lot of people like yourself have 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.680 tons of stuff. You have storefronts, but we have manufacturers 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:36.720 and retailers that make their living and make money off 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:38.120 of this product. And all of a sudden, now when 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.280 the blanket of by the governor of Waves's magic wand 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.039 and says now it's going to be illegal at midnight. 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.359 That doesn't look like democracy. That doesn't look like small 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:49.440 governed government conservatism to me, especially because it's politically motivated. 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.560 I agree one hundred percent. And I also think the 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.279 government needs to understand that while there are bad actors 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.479 out there in these gas stations and smoke shops, there 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.200 are a lot large number of responsible business owners like 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.440 myself that check IDs. Don't sell products that have any 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.719 kid focused marketing. Only sell products that are third party 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:12.000 lab tested and have those tests available to the customer 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.760 via QR code on the packaging. We've been operating responsibly 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.600 and legally since twenty eighteen, but to threaten our livelihood 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:21.440 by implementing. 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:22.760 This order is just flat out wrong. 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:26.680 The legislators need to get working and passed the regulation 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.120 that doesn't lead to people losing their jobs. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:31.599 And that's what this says. This is a squeeze on 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:32.359 small business. 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:34.080 And I'll get into that a little bit more in 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.440 the show again in case you're just hearing this for 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.000 the first time. It's been a big news story for 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:39.719 the last twelve few hours away with the governor has 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:43.120 issued an edict ninety day ban on THCHU infused gummies, 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:47.599 beverages and products sold out of licensed marijuana dispensaries. And 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:49.240 of course you drive all over the place, you see 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.920 places like where you are, Jason, you own Ohio CBD 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.320 Guy with your two locations. But there's countless mom and 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.080 pop businesses like this and also many many more that 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:02.520 manufacturers supply not just this, but also so THCCBD infused 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:06.479 drinks like beers, and in particularly selterzers. My wife's a 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:07.440 big fan of the seltzer. 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:07.680 She goes. 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.960 You know, it's pretty good, just hits different. It's a 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.159 different kind of feeling when you drink a couple of these. 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:15.760 We're talking about a huge by the way, and this 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:17.080 is not in your sector. I don't know if you 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:20.599 sell them these products. But fifty West, for example, they're 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.200 a huge seller of THHD infused drinks right here, and 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.640 it's the Cincinnati company and they saw a huge decline 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:30.360 in the number. And maybe we're past craft beer right now. 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:32.360 I don't know, but the beer sales are going down. 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.080 Sales of this are offsetting that. If this goes away 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.840 in ninety days, that's going to be catastrophic for a 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:39.360 lot of these small breweries, isn't it. 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.360 Well, you literally took the words out of the mouth. 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.320 I was just about to say that alcohol sales are 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.720 at their lowest point since nineteen thirty nine. People want 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:49.360 to go out, they want to get a buzz, they 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.360 don't want to feel like crap the next day. So 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.880 that's one of the reasons you're seeing these THHC seltzers growing. 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.640 We absolutely sell the sunflower product by fifty West in 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:02.720 our store as well as the st another local THC. Seltzer. 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.280 It's probably the fastest part of our business. And a 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.560 question was asked during the press conference yesterday, is that 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:13.640 what about bottle shops, liquor stores, bars that people can't 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:17.200 go in unless they're twenty one? Ye, legally do they 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.000 have to stop selling these products too? So again, there's 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.360 a lot that needs to be cleared up before this 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.200 band takes effect on October fourteen. 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.120 Do you see like a lawsuit and an injunction coming 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:27.320 down to courts can hold us up? 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:28.520 Well? 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.720 Absolutely. I think there are questions as to the legality 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.480 of this emergency order, and I know of multiple efforts 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.920 potentially emerging to fight it in courts starting today. 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:42.160 Yeah, and maybe for those listening going listen, I don't 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.600 drink CBD TA, I don't know what that is. TA, 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.200 I don't know Delta eight and Delta ten and Delta nine, 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.520 I don't know what all that stuff means. And all 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.080 I know is it can kill children. Let's start with 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.440 that one, because it's about the children, right. The wine 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:56.760 set in toxicity happens dangerous and we need to do 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.080 better to protect our children and there's no question that 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.240 children are getting a hold of the stuff, largely because 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.120 an adult buys it and it's a bag of you know, 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.240 things that look like sour patch kids or nerds, and 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.800 they take one and now they're high. But we saw 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:12.520 increase eight hundred kids twelve and younger, according to the State, 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.920 were exposed to cannab exposed to cannabis in twenty twenty four. 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.280 I'm not sure that was you know, Poison Control Center's 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.520 always fifty percent increase from the year prior. But what 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:24.200 does that mean? How many kids have died? How many 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:28.560 kids have been damage beyond repair, become wards of the state. 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:29.520 Whatever it might be. 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:34.800 Taking too much THC or taking too much CBD or 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:39.520 cannabis or cannabinoid or adulta eight delta ten, What does 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:40.199 that do to one? 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:41.720 Do you die from that? 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:47.040 So it as far as THHC goes, there's a reason 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.400 why you have to be twenty one to take it 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:53.000 in a dispensary in my store. It's just not good 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.120 kids or their brains are still developing. It's not a 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.520 good thing for them. Can it cause depth? I think 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:03.600 you'll see the varying studies out there that show mostly 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.160 that it's not harmful. Now, if you take too much 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.520 a THC, whether you're an adult or a child, yes, 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:13.920 you can absolutely have adverse reactions triggered by the THC. 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.000 But again, this is why you need to be a 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.880 responsible adult. And as far as the kids getting their 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.360 hands on it, look, I don't think there's outside of 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.880 isolated incidents that a gas a five year old or 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:28.480 a ten year old is going to walk into a 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.360 gas station and someone's going to sell them these products. 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:35.439 I think what's happening is, unfortunately, if irresponsible parents are 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.720 letting their kids get a hold of these products. So again, 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:43.880 why are responsible businesses like mine being penalized for bad 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:49.400 actors in gas stations, smoke shops, babe shops, but irresponsible parents. 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.240 Can you imagine the outrage the same group of people 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.120 were talking about if someone said, hey, you know, too 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.160 many kids are getting shot in Cincinnati. There are too 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.600 many accidental gun discharges, so you have to have a 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.080 trigger lock. People aren't doing that. We've got guns and cars. 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.120 Young people are getting hold of gun shooting each other. 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.600 We have to ban weapons. Could you imagine the outrage 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.760 from the same conservatives. It's don't see the hypocrisy with 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:12.480 the same argument. 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:17.960 There is a way to achieve this responsibly, Scott, and 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.600 this is not the way to go about doing it. 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.160 And I'm hopeful that this there will be a resolution 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.440 before the fourteenth, and certainly before the ninety day ban 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:28.040 is over. 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.440 Yeah, I mean, we'll see. I don't know. 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.000 Maybe this is a way for de Wind to scare 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:36.120 the legislature into getting something done, but I don't know. 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.000 They've dragged their feet this long. And you know we've 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.240 seen this act before. Jason Friedman, by the way, Ohio, 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.319 CBD guy in the show with the Wines, ninety day 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:47.080 THHD and fused gummy beverage CBD ban on all this stuff. 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:48.920 And you know you can't get a celtz anymore or 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.319 vape simply because well now we're going to ban it 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:52.640 because a kid make it a hold of it. 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:53.880 And I you know, I don't want to make light. 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.200 Let me circle back and say, you know, I'm not 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.679 saying we shouldn't prevent kids from getting stuff because it's 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:02.800 not fatal. No one wants to see a kid either 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.839 voluntarily involuntary in just something they think is candy or 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:07.880 vapor or drink or something. No We don't do that, 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:09.840 but we do have dangerous stuff around. As my point, 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.080 we have I mentioned guns, but we also have alcohol 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.400 in the host of other things adults engage in that 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:18.400 kids aren't supposed to. We have reasonable regulations that prevent 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:20.920 that from happening. We just need that here. This seems 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.719 totally irrationalist to ban it. We need to ban it 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.440 so we can regulate it. It doesn't make any sense. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.200 It's like we need to pass the bills so we 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.840 can see what's in it. It's the same argument that 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:32.840 they made fun of and made a lot of political 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.040 hay out of they're now doing themselves. If that's the 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.800 hypocrisy of politics in ninety days, what do you see happening? 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.120 Well, again, I hope this is sorted out well before 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.000 the ninety days, but I, like you said, I do 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:49.359 believe that the governor is trying to push the legislators 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:53.120 to get something done. Really, I would point to what 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.560 happened in Texas recently if you've been following that at all. 0:11:56.600 --> 0:12:00.520 In last month, the Lieutenant governor there proposed legis that 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:05.680 would ban all him. The governor vetoed the build multiple times, 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:09.199 and then key implemented an emergency order to regulate him, 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.360 so did the exact opposite. You can use your power 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.400 in different ways. I just wish the governor would use 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:19.920 it to actually affect positive change as far as opposed 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:20.560 to damaging. 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.120 Yeah, and I mean, quite honestly, this is because of 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.319 the ineptitude of the legislature. We've seen this before with marijuanas. 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:29.360 They dragged their feet, dragged their feet, dragged their feet, 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.640 and finally the people had enough of it. It went 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.080 to the ballot in uh, you know, citizen initiative. They 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.400 screamed that was outside money. Trying to tell all those 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:39.800 you had a chance to do. You saw the tea leags, 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:43.840 You saw the the demand for recreational weed mari medical 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.840 weed to begin with, and then recreational You saw that 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.040 and still chose to choose to do nothing about it. 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:50.960 And then when there's a grassroots effort you try to 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.600 stop it and subvert it. That I think for those 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:58.199 of us who enjoy THC and CBD products as I do, 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.120 as you make a living off of, Jason Freedman, I 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.199 found that egregious. 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:03.600 Yeah. 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:05.760 And I think the other thing to consider you mentioned 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:09.559 politically driven is that I think that there were certain 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.880 contingencies that were not happy that marijuana passed here in 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.880 Ohio and wanted to make some changes to those laws 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:20.480 and tried to use that to negotiate regarding the hemp. 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.240 And they're so they're kind of lumped together as far 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.920 as the negotiations between the House and the Senate goes, 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.600 and they can't agree on it. And guess who's suffering? 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:33.280 We are, Yeah, the consumers, but especially small business people 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.839 like yourself. So after ninety days, lawmakers have to take 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:40.120 action and regulate the intoxicating hemp products. Most people agree 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.200 that if we have intoxicating products available to children, then 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.480 we should just simply step up and address that issue 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:49.120 without having to shut everything down. And he Key did 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.440 this back I think well over a year ago. Is 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.440 he wanted to close these loopholes and they wouldn't listen 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.439 to him. And now he's going to simply take it 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:57.800 away from everybody, take the ball away because the kids 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.800 can't get along and now no one can play, which is, 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:05.080 you know, paternalism at best. And I you know part 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:07.040 of this, and I mentioned I said in asterisk in 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.520 the air quotes there I said, the governor has issued 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.760 this ninety day ban on THHD infused gummies and beverages 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.800 that are sold outside licensed to marijuana dispensaries. Is this 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.480 just another money grab by the legislature and that like whoa, whoa, wha, 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.360 Wait a minute, way, we look at the tax that 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.480 we pay on medical marijuana, the fact that people that 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:26.600 are medical marijuana, the only ones that are getting the 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:28.800 medical card now are ones that have a stigma about 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:32.440 using it recreationally. We see the exorbitant prices we pay 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.200 in Ohio compared to surrounding states like Michigan, where it's 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:39.320 a fraction of what you'd pay for recreational products. And 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:41.320 now do they want to do the same thing with THHD. 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.520 It's simply they're not getting they if they can control it, 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:46.800 and you know, certainly in regulations different than control if 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:48.640 they can control it, because you can still buy it, 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.320 but it's got to be a licensed to marijuana dispensary. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.320 That means it's subject to that that that sweet tax 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:56.440 that they want. Is this all about them getting the 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.120 getting their hands and getting a bigger share of what 0:14:59.160 --> 0:14:59.880 it is you sell. 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.720 Well, I don't think it's any secret Scott that big 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:07.480 marijuana is out there. They are lobbying to destroy the 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:11.680 hemp industry period. They don't want us to be competition 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.680 for them, And so again I would point to Texas 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.320 and say, look, there's an opportunity for all of us 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.320 in this free market to be able to one give 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:26.040 an opportunity for these these consumers and sometimes patients that 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:30.120 need these products for their daily life. We will pay 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.440 a vendor fee, Scott, we will pay uh, we will 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.360 pay additional taxes, even though I don't want that for 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.840 my consumers. But if it means staying in business, there's 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.000 plenty to go around. So yeah, I do. I do 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.640 believe that it's part of it. Maybe it's part of 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.800 the reason why we haven't gotten the regulation we need yet, 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.720 But that's what I said. I'm cautiously optimistic that this 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:56.520 will at least trigger change. But what you know, unfortunately, 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.320 the people that need these products for their daily life, 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.680 they're the ones that are suffering, obviously in addition to 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.880 the small businesses, because now they're not going to be 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:06.800 able to get their products for ninety days. They're going 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.280 to be forced to go to a marijuana dispensary. Which 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:13.360 marijuana dispensaries are good things, but let's face it, it costs 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:17.400 a lot more. You're waiting in longer lines, the higher taxes, yep, 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.080 maybe less selection of products. You can't get the drinks. 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.880 So anyway, it's frustrating, but hoping for. 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.560 Change soon, right right, So again, if you just tax 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:30.360 the I don't know, the seltzer, the thch lace to seltzer, 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:34.280 CBD seltzer at the same right, we're doing marijuana, then 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.160 they're happy with it. It doesn't really how does that 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:36.880 protect children? 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.240 It doesn't, It doesn't. 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.080 But you know, it's something that everyone's going to listen 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:45.000 to because obviously we all want want what's best with 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:46.680 the children. But we also need to look at the 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:50.400 situation logically and realize that this is just a This 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.080 is some bad actors that are selling products they shouldn't 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:54.720 to people that they shouldn't. 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.520 But legislate the go go after them, make examples of them, 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:59.800 shut them down, take away their liquor license, do all 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:03.160 that hurt them. But punishing the manufacturers. I mean, what 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.280 does fifty West have to do with this? What does 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:07.800 Jason Friedman at Ohio CBD guy have to do? 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:08.080 Nothing? 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.600 You're caught up in a political power plays with this 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:13.719 and it's it's criminals. What it is, we'll follow, We'll 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:15.640 find out what happens. Jason Friedman, all the best, buddy, 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:16.560 thanks again for coming. 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:16.760 On the show. 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:18.639 Hey, thanks for having me on. Scott. 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:19.000 Take care. 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.320 We'll get a time out in. It's about the children. 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.680 It's about there. We always laugh when Tracy Hunter said that, 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.280 you know, it's all the children. Oh my god, stop 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:30.880 with the historyonics and II the governor, it's about their children. 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:35.760 Just wonder if people who I you know, it's a 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:39.040 dumb question, because if you are absolutely one hundred percent 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.400 conservative and no that it's the only way. There's only 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:43.320 one religion. This is that right, you don't see the 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.200 apocrisy and the problem with us. And this is why 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:46.959 you know we are we are right now as a country. 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.560 I voted conservative. My whole life are Republican anyway, unless 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:52.800 there's like a good libertarian out there. I just want 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.840 some sense of balance. I want government the hell out 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.919 of the way and let the rest of us make money. 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.680 We talked about with healthcare and college everything else that 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.280 that similarly gets gets cocked up in this country right now, 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:05.639 we're doing it now in Ohio. 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:06.240 Uh. 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.200 And it's at the behest of the Republican legislature. And again, 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:12.000 because we tend to vote that way, we look at 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.520 it and go, ah, it's okay right now, It's not okay. 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:18.359 This is nothing but a cash grab, is what it is. Listen, 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.560 we don't like the fact that fifty West Roomever or 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.320 some sort of vape manufactury're putting this product out there that, yes, 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.280 kids can get ahold of. But that's true with a 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.600 lot of things adults do, whether it's alcohol or content 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:32.160 whatever it might be porn. Right, you can at roadblocks. 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:33.480 If you put things up to make sure the kids 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:35.639 don't have access to those things, you're not going to 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:37.320 get all of it, and you should punish the bad 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:40.040 actors out there that are allowing underage purses or consumption 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:40.480 or whatever. 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.199 It might be one hundred percent. But the idea that 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:43.600 we're going to. 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.280 Take it away because the legislature can't figure out what 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.840 to do is a flip and joke. Sorry not sorry, 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:51.959 slowly with your thoughts at five, three, seven, four, nine, 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:53.760 seven thousand, Quick time out More to follow on seven 0:18:53.800 --> 0:19:01.560 hundred wwt Here we go seven ound of WW beautiful 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:02.119 back half. 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:03.680 Of the week in store. Rain is out. 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.160 You hear the old subcum kick and you know it's real, right, 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.040 And now that's good little green grass for a while 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.920 for the back half of whatever season. This might be 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.760 always mother Nature, always messing with us. It's slowly back 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:20.640 here on seven hundred WLW and talking about yesterday's emergency 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:22.840 order by the governor. My god, we've got to do 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.680 something about all of these kids who are getting their 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:29.840 hands on intoxicating hemp, which there's probably a few of 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.920 them doing that. According to the people who keep track 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:36.080 of this stuff, namely the Ohio Poison Center, there's a 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.520 fifty two percent increase a year every year, and a 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:41.520 number of kids twelve and younger exposed to cannabis. And 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:46.800 we have cannabis recreationally medically, and certainly you're gonna have 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:49.200 kids getting their hands on. Don't encourage that, try to 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:52.200 discourage that. But do you need to simply take something 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.960 away because a percentage of kids are getting I don't know, 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.479 because they don't break it down out of the eight 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:02.240 hundred kids eight hundred kid twelve and younger exposed last year, 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.919 I you know, I guess you can create an emergency 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:09.679 and a crisis out of any number. But inside that 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.600 number of course as well, how many of that exposure? 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:14.439 What does that mean I touched it and someone for 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:16.639 parent freaked out, or a grandparent freaked out because they 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:21.040 don't know what cannabis does or is, or they were 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:24.520 exhibiting signs just being sleepy, or you know, a twelve 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:26.639 year old thought it was a sour patch kid and 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.920 popped a THHG gummy And now I'm flipping out because 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:31.639 they don't know what's going to happen. They're probably going 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:33.040 to sleep for a while and be a little silly 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:35.399 and sleep it off. Or my pet got it. I mean, 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:37.040 you know, it could be a host of things. Did 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:40.680 they get it from a medical supply because medical marijuana 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.159 is legal recreationally. Don't know how much of this is 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:46.760 what we're talking about here, but nonetheless, it is a 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:50.080 an absolutely sweeping order from the governor ordering this ninety 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:51.760 day ban on THHG infused gummies. 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:53.240 You may go listen, Sloan. I don't care. 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:56.240 I don't use that stuff. I don't really know anybody 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.119 that does. You know, you made a big deal of 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:00.880 the vaping. I don't vape, but you know, we all 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:02.440 do something that someone else does. 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:03.560 I don't get it. I don't know. 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.320 It's not for me. But you know that's today. Maybe 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:08.840 tomorrow they come after something that's near and dear to you. 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.240 And the point of the matter is, as we got 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:15.639 in this, how we got to this point where you 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:21.080 have allegedly a conservative government in Ohio, conservative run legislature 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:27.000 doing things like banning a product that is manufactured and 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:31.720 created in Ohioans for Ohioans. And now you're simply saying, 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:35.000 because the legislature can't figure out a way to regulate 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:38.919 the product, we're going to simply take it away. What 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.919 about all these small businesses, What about the capital, what 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:44.520 about the investors? What about the people who probably a 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:47.200 lot of them voted and supported you, Mike de Wine 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:50.440 and state legislature that are now getting the rug literally 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:55.000 pulled out from under them. Because while you didn't regulate this, 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:57.119 that your opportunity to do that. You could still turn 0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:00.720 around and pass regulation right now, figure out a way 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:03.680 to make to punish people who are allowing this stuff 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:05.520 get in the hands of kids. Why don't you just 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:09.480 do that? It's an easy fix. But of course it's 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:14.240 not about that, is it. Because when the medical marijuana 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:17.760 movement took root in Ohio, and it was pretty clear 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:20.760 to the legislation, like the officials, that Ohions wanted it. 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:23.439 When we passed recreational weed, it passed like sixty percent 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:25.640 of the vote. That's incredible in this time and ages 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:29.000 where look how close presidential races are. In council races, 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:31.359 it's little. It's it's by the skin of your teeth 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:34.200 you win an election. That was it was overwhelmingly passed 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:37.680 by OHI clearly, clearly it was a mandate to get 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:39.680 out of the way and let us use weed because 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:43.240 we saw what happened in other states, and we went, yeah, 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:45.399 it's not as bad as Mike DeWine made it out 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:47.159 to me. I trade traveled and re memory traveled of 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:50.400 Colorado when he saw the devastation there. And meanwhile, Colorado 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:52.760 wins love the fact that they can get weed. It 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:57.800 doesn't mean there's in problems, but they enjoy the freedom 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:00.280 that they're allowed to do that as adults. 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:01.240 Here. 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:03.720 Well, we passed it, and now we've got to go 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:06.280 back and the legislature had to go and screw things up. 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:11.000 And the fact of the matter is the confiscatory tax 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:15.159 that people pay on recreational marijuana drives people. If you're 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:17.240 a border state, I know people from here that and 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:18.760 I've gone when I've gone up that way, it's like 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:21.399 ol stop. You go to Michigan. In hell, it's almost 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:23.560 like they're giving it away. Friends have come down from Michigan. 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:25.600 I'll bring some stuff in fifty bucks. You're set for 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:29.640 you know a year. That's not good for Ohio businesses. 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:34.600 You know what happened to small market? What happened to 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:37.480 the being a great competitor and getting government out of 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:39.280 the well that calls away when we lose our mind 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:41.679 over saving the children. The minute any politicians screams out 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:44.800 saving the children, you know, it's not about that. You know, 0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:49.520 it's about something else. And I'll point this out too. Okay, 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:51.400 how did we get to this point now where we're 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:55.480 you know, pulling seltzers and CBD and tinctures and things 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:56.480 that people might enjoy. 0:23:57.119 --> 0:23:57.920 Is not Number one? 0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:01.439 Is the fact is we've so highly regulated and I 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:04.120 guess maybe not regulated as much as it is taxed 0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:08.359 recreational weed that people are going to a cheap alternative 0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:09.960 going well, you know you're nail me on a tax 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:11.480 i can only go to a certain place at a 0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:13.240 certain time and talk to a certain guy. Get this, 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:15.439 I can go to any bar in the area and 0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:20.560 get a THC infused seltzer. My wife really enjoys them, 0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:22.720 she says, Yeah, I don't feel the next day as 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:24.440 bad as I do when I'm drinking alcohol. 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:25.639 Yeah. 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:28.280 And as beer sales decline and happened declining for a while, 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:30.720 we're seeing a lot of people be to lean into 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:34.320 THC beverages. Well, guess what, that's fly in demand. There's 0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:36.359 a market for it. And now what you're saying is 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:41.359 a conservative market. Forces don't matter, the market doesn't dictate. 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:44.239 That's socialism then, right, because I thought you're against that 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:48.359 state controlled, state operated, state run Yeah, but this is 0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:52.280 different because it's why, well, the children ain't about the children, 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:56.880 it's about the money. Now, they got to figure out 0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.600 a way to tax I don't know THC seltzer's at 0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:03.040 the same that they do recreational weed. And next thing 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:04.840 you know, people won't be buying those because it's going 0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:08.919 to cost you forty five dollars for a forty But again, 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:12.719 I thought that this was the party of being responsible 0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:13.680 and getting the hell of a way. 0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:14.199 I guess not. 0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:17.560 And you know, maybe I'm old school, maybe more libertarian 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.080 than anything else. I look at this whole thing, and 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:21.320 you know, I got a call it like I see it. 0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:22.800 I'm sorry. You know, there's a lot of people are 0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:25.760 conservative that hate me because how dare I turn the 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:27.840 mirror around on these people. Well, if you're professing to 0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:32.040 be the party of common sense, the party of individual responsibility, 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:35.240 the party of our inalienable, God given rights is granted 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:38.160 in the Constitution. The birth of our nation is inspired 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:40.800 by the declaration that our individual god given to liberty 0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:45.080 should be preserved against the government and government intrusion. I 0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:47.280 don't know how that stands up against what we're talking 0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:50.640 about here, because it's the exact opposite. Can you pass 0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:54.719 legislation to protect bad actors? And that would be I know, 0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:57.600 some convenience store owners, I guess gas station owners people 0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:00.879 like that from just randomly as they see profit o 0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:02.800 everything else, they simply don't care, kind of like someone 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.080 who's pushing drugs. They don't see the effects of you know, 0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:09.720 they're narcotic sale, they're opiate sales. There the sales of 0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:12.920 illicit street drugs that are killing people and getting people jammed. 0:26:12.920 --> 0:26:15.240 They don't care, they care about the money. Those people 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:18.160 need to be made examples up and segregated from missus Hidi. 0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:20.480 Whether it's a street pusher or some guy to carry 0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:22.680 out at a corner who's selling this stuff to twelve 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:25.480 year olds, make a rule. Go after them, Go go 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:27.479 after their liquor license, go after their life, make an 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:30.600 example of them to dissuade that kind of behavior, because 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:35.840 that's what offset's greed. Regulation, but far beyond regulation, and 0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:38.080 I guess I should say rules more than regulation. This 0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:43.960 is simply extermination. And the overwhelming majority of people who 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:46.639 enjoy these products are adults. Kids are getting their hands 0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:49.679 on it, but at a very very small number. And 0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:52.560 when you say it's about protecting the children, then I'm sorry, Mike. 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:55.760 That then means you have to go after guns, you 0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:58.360 have to go over alcohol, you have to go after cars. 0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:01.720 I mean all the things that kids can hurt and 0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:04.000 kill themselves with. We just had a shooting wear in 0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:06.920 Westchester of all Lakota for crying out love kids getting shot. 0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:09.639 It's in downtown Cincinnati. This isn't like the you know, 0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:13.240 this is an OTR. We're talking about the white ass 0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:16.320 Westchester and kids getting shot out there. I don't know 0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:19.040 what the story is with the gun, but you could 0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:21.159 make an example, I'd say it. If it's about the children, 0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:23.080 then we've got to do something about the kids getting 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:27.080 shot randomly and discriminately and innocently and ending their lives. 0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:29.560 We've got to do We can't do anything about the guns, 0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:32.120 But why when we can ban bullets? My god, you'd 0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:33.800 be run out of the You'd be run out of 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:37.720 Columbus on a rail if you propose that. But how's 0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:39.600 this any different to me? 0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:40.000 It's not. 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:42.240 It's part and parcel at least. You know what, if 0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:44.920 you say I'm a conservative, it means something. What's that mean? 0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:51.480 Individual freedom, limited government, rule of law, fiscal responsibility. Where 0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:54.480 in today's Republican party, whether it's the state or whether 0:27:54.560 --> 0:28:00.399 it's especially nationally, do we see that at all? Fiscal responsibility? 0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:04.360 How much is that big beautiful bill costing us? How 0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:07.119 much is this government? Well the Democrats are responsible with this, 0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:09.639 but a trillion and a half dollars to keep the 0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:13.199 government open for seven weeks seems like a bargain. And 0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:15.400 we're thirty seven thirty eight trillion in death the rule 0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:18.680 of law? You kind of ended that play in January sixth, 0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:20.560 didn't you all the way up to today? An individual 0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:25.000 freedom and limited government? Yeah, cracking down on books and 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:28.560 gay marriage and drag shows. Seltzer, where's the liberty? 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:28.800 Man? 0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:31.080 It may not be for you, but it may be 0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:35.879 for me. And find me the societal harm that's driving 0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:36.600 any of this stuff. 0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:37.119 And you won't. 0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:39.240 No, no, no, no, you're wrong about that because kids 0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:41.560 are getting these gummies and they're eating the gummies. 0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:42.480 Are they dying? 0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:42.720 No? 0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:46.480 Are they getting sick? Yeah, that's scary, it's frightening, it's frightening. 0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:49.520 But if that is a low standard for a ban, 0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:52.120 then there's a lot of things in this country and 0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:54.240 in the state that are screaming for a ban. 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:56.280 You feel me? 0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:58.760 Five on three, seven, four, nine, eight hundred the Big 0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:01.240 one talk back Heart Radio out Let me get to 0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:03.160 Barry in Miamisburg on seven hundred. 0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:05.600 W over hey, Barry Hey. 0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:10.960 It blows down to middle of the roads quote unquote 0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:15.880 Republicans who would rather raise taxes and have big government 0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:22.200 jobs paid for by more taxes and more taxes than 0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:27.640 anything else. I mean, really, who cares about marijuana or 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:31.920 fear or any other other things they tax? It's not 0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:36.040 out of it's all about money for Columbus. 0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:39.240 Well, no question, they look at the look at the 0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:41.240 tax that they look at the tax that they put 0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:44.280 on recreacial marijuana, and they're looking at going wow, people 0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:46.120 are going, hey, you know what, I can still at 0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:49.080 my buzz on by circumventing that and going after a 0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:53.360 you know, a delta eight laced seltzer or something along 0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.520 those lines. They created this mess. And now it's like, 0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:58.800 well the tax is so enormous. People are looking for 0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:00.880 a black market essentially, as what they're saying is you 0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:02.080 created the black market. 0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:07.280 Look At how hard they fought against letting people grow 0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:13.280 their own amen, because you can't catch something somebody grows 0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:14.240 in their living room. 0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:19.440 This is and you're absolutely right, thanks for the call. 0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:24.120 And that's the problem with politics, Like how many times 0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:27.080 a day do I say that we have a part 0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:31.520 two party system. They're hollow, they're empty. It's a soulless 0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:34.680 fundraising shell on both sides. It's and it's supported by 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:38.920 a shrinking number of cultists. And we and and part 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:41.960 of this driving this too is we are more individualistic 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:43.840 than ever before. I mean we you know, things like 0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:45.920 like a better good societal rules are kind of going 0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:52.520 away by this, and you know we we're not likely 0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:54.240 to We're not like to say, hey, we're going to 0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.680 take a sacrifice and do something for the common good. 0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:59.440 We tend to look in that little individual sylum which 0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:01.840 we're in, you know, a things like authorities, you know, 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:04.920 the government, schools, medical establishments all go by the wayside 0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.240 because of that, because of what we're doing. But how 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:10.480 are the two parties helping to fix it? 0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:10.800 They're not. 0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:13.000 It's more about how much money we can raise and 0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:16.920 how we can remain in power and leveraging all of 0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:21.360 that against well, what the Constitution once stood for. And 0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.840 it's a sad kind of decline. Does that mean America's over? 0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:24.000 No? 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:26.040 But I think you know enough people get pissed off 0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:28.280 when they start coming after things like this and go 0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:30.640 all right, enough of this nonsense. We need some common 0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:35.480 sense here. You know, you can't simply because I subscribe 0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:39.120 to one political ally ideology the other simply turn a 0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:41.960 blind eye towards what it is your I mean, what 0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:44.040 do you stand for? If you if you if you 0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:45.920 don't stand for something, you stand for nothing. What are 0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:48.320 the core beliefs? What are the core tenants of what 0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:50.440 we're talking about here. You know, I rattled off the 0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:53.880 launderlist of what Republicans and Conservatives used to stand for 0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:56.239 at one time. And I consider myself more Republican than 0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:58.440 a conservative because the social issues. To me, I don't 0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:00.479 care what you do in the privacy of your own home. 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:04.000 If you're a consenting adult and there's no grave harm 0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:09.800 to society, then knock yourself out. And and I'm an 0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:12.840 about libertarian in that sense. But all of these things 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:15.240 where we got to save the children from an imaginary 0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:18.320 boogeyman at the expense of hard working men and women 0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:22.120 Ohioans who invested life savings into trying to buy up 0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:25.480 into the American dream and create a product that's taxed 0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:28.560 but not outrageously taxed and sell it to an open market. 0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:31.960 Seems to be something conservatives once not long ago stood for, 0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:37.600 and now they're against it. Over to al and Montgomery 0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:39.480 on seven hundred w Alt Thebitdy Scott's loan show. 0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:40.320 Ow what do you got. 0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:42.280 Good? 0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:44.360 I'm good right good? 0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:48.480 Now you reminded me of old Bill Clinton, where we 0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:50.880 fight for the children. 0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:51.800 It's for the children. 0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.880 Yeah, whenever he wanted to do any but anyway, I 0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:59.360 first to say, I don't you don't know marking anything 0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:00.200 that's about up. 0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:03.480 But I thought, and I might be wrong, that this. 0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:10.520 Legislation was only for a synthetic uh EHC products probably 0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:12.240 a little bit more first. 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:12.760 Than I am in that. 0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:14.960 Yeah, and I think that's a good thing. I didn't 0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:16.400 get it, and your your phone's kind of breaking up. 0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:18.600 I'll let you go, man, I appreciate you checking in. No, 0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:22.000 that is that's a solid point in thh fused infused 0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:23.600 gummies and the like, and it's got to have a 0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:26.560 percentage of TFC. And I again, I know enough about 0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:28.720 it to be dangerous, but I'm certainly no chemist here. 0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:31.080 You know, I'm not Walter White or anything like that. 0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:34.040 But they back in the day that with the core 0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:36.760 of this whole thing was separating hemp from intoxica so 0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:39.880 hemps a plant and you can make you know, there's fabric. 0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:43.840 Think about I don't know, you know, you're you're petullia 0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:47.800 oil smelling hippie. Think of like Woody Harrelson wearing I 0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:51.240 don't know it's wearing some sort of hemp hemp shirt 0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:52.000 or something like that. 0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:52.880 You're not gonna get high. 0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:54.800 You can eat that hemp and smoke it, and there's 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:57.640 the intoxicating portion of that. So there's a non intoxic 0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:00.200 any plant that was legalized by the General Assembly few 0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:03.040 years ago. And the problem was when they created this, 0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:04.959 they didn't differentiate it, and so people are like, well, it's 0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:08.520 a hemp product's a hemp derivative, and there's hemp derivative 0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:13.919 derived can canabinoids that produce the psycho psychoactive effects would 0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:17.080 be similar to THHC, like Delta eight, Delta nine is 0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:20.839 actually weed. Delta eight is one component off. Delta ten 0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:22.960 has I don't know, maybe one more component of it, 0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:26.440 but essentially has the same effect. Delta HTC is a 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:28.880 psychoactive compound that comes from a hemp product and the 0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:32.880 highest similar to traditional delta nine THHD. It's chemically similar 0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:34.880 and you can synthesize that and extract it from the 0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:37.520 hemp plant. It's still a plant. Okay, So you're right, 0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:39.600 You're right and wrong at the same time. And so 0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:41.640 they said, well, if we take this now and it 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:43.560 has the same effect, I can put it in a 0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:45.720 VP form. I can also put it in a seltzer. 0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:47.799 I can put it in tinture, which is like a 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:50.640 little eyedropper thing you put on your tongue or whatever. 0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:52.800 The delivery or a gummy or whatever. The delivery system 0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:54.800 is okay, So that's the legal loophole. 0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:55.239 That was good. 0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:56.960 Why not just go back and change a loophole then 0:34:56.960 --> 0:34:59.560 and say, if it's intoxicating, okay, here's some regulation with it. 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:00.400 I'm not doing that. 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:03.440 We're sutting the whole thing down, which is a disturbing part. 0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:05.279 But let's go back and look at well, why would 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:07.640 they come up with something, Why wouldn't you Why would 0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:10.000 you come up with delta eight and why would you 0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:13.520 take hamp in delta ten and have these you know, 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:17.000 chemically different, mollectually slightly different if it has the same 0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:19.560 effect as marijuana. Well, to answer your question, I'll come 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:22.960 back full circle, back to the wine, back to the legislature. 0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:28.080 That is, the markets are always going to find a 0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:29.879 way to sell stuff to people that they want. There's 0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:33.319 a huge demand for getting high, right or for alleviating pain. 0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:34.719 Is the case maybe with me and I like to 0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:37.719 get high, but also with Austin you know, rights and 0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:41.160 ligaments that are torn and stuff like that. You know, 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:44.120 I prefer that O Roqui it's honestly, I do because 0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:45.560 you get a good night's sleep. A lot of people do, 0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:48.200 and so people learn that and went, yeah, okay, there's 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:50.759 something to this. It's you know, maybe there's a long, 0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:52.840 long term health effect, but right now I can't sleep 0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:56.200 because you know, I don't I don't have any I 0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:58.600 have bone on bone in my shoulder, my knee or 0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:00.920 my back or whatever it might be. Or maybe I 0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:03.160 just like the buzz better than alcohol. What's wrong with that? 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:04.000 Nothing? 0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:08.439 Nothing, but the whole reason why these synthetics and these 0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:11.920 derivatives were made. Why was because of the ban on 0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:16.080 marijuana in the first place. It was the prohibition. So 0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:20.080 Mike DeWine, who's been anti marijuana's whole life, helped create 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:23.239 this problem that he's now trying to solve, and that 0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:25.200 if you tell people you can't have it because I 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:27.160 don't like it, because I think it's bad for you 0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:29.719 and I know better and it's a nanty state, then 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:31.600 the markets will find try and find a way around that. 0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:33.560 It's like, well, okay, I can't sell you a weed, 0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:36.279 but you know we're pretty smart in the creative in 0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:38.880 business class, and that we'll find a way. We'll come 0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:42.360 up with something to satisfy avoid in the market, and 0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:44.560 eed in the market. It's always worked that way in capitalism, 0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:46.799 and in this case it was marijuana. Like, okay, well 0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:48.960 we've got delta eight, which is not really marijuana. 0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:52.880 It's close. Give you the same buzz. Well that's a loophole. 0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:53.120 Yeah. 0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:57.440 The reason why is because you banned marijuana, and now 0:36:57.480 --> 0:37:00.399 someone found a way around that to set us why 0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:07.120 the capitalistic need the consumer economy. And that's all this is, 0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:14.080 either we are a consumer capitalist economy or not. In 0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:16.640 the legislature, these politicians spend you spend a lot of 0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:18.719 time telling you they're not socialists or whatever is it 0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:20.600 might be, but they sure as hell act like. 0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.120 It, don't they. It's the home of the best Bengals 0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:28.440 coverage seven hundred WW Cincinnati, Solony. 0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:30.960 Back on seven hundred WLW Are we in the Fourth 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:32.240 Industrial Revolution? 0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:33.040 What? 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:36.640 What fourth industrial leve The first one was a coal 0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:41.080 in steam power, second revolution was gas, third was the 0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:44.000 digital revolution beginning in the late nineteen sixties, and the 0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:49.960 fourth one is a I artificial intelligence. Recently, Elon Musk 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:54.640 said there's a twenty percent chance that AI will take 0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:59.879 over humanity. Essentially humans won't be in existence any longer 0:37:59.880 --> 0:38:04.480 than computers will take over literally the stuff of science fiction. Frightening, 0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:06.799 isn't it? And uh I did twenty percent. There's other 0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:09.360 things that's probably a ten percent chance. But that's today. 0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:12.440 What happens tomorrow. And as I mentioned this, there's a 0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:15.400 new AI bought out there that with a couple of keystrokes, 0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:19.640 just words, you can create literally visual content that is 0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:23.320 about as realistic as what you see with the naked eye. Frightening. 0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:27.200 What that means for well, entertainment, news, and everything else. 0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:32.120 Chris McKenzie's here. He's a nonprofit called Americans for Responsible Innovation. 0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:36.479 They cover AI policy and the public interest. Chris, welcome, Hi, shot, 0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:38.960 I'm going to be on with you. We've always had 0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:41.520 fear of the unknown. We have fomo now, but we 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.240 also had fear of the unknown. Those two factors go together, 0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:46.959 like peanut, butter and jelly, go back to the days 0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:48.960 of the cave man. Right, here's four cave men and 0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:51.880 there what do they carry off? Pelts? They've got their pelts, 0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:54.760 different pelts of things and pelts, and we're bringing pelts 0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:56.280 here and we need pelts for the winner. 0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:57.799 Pelts. Pelts pelts and. 0:38:57.760 --> 0:38:59.480 Some guy goes, hey, what if we took this thing, 0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:02.040 we'll call it a wheel, and now now we just 0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:02.600 need one guy. 0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:03.960 We don't need for a you're going to put me 0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:06.240 out of a job. This is anything different. 0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:09.759 That's a good point, you know. Resistance to automation, I 0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:13.400 like to say, is a story as old as jobs themselves, 0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:17.520 right whether you're talking about lamp lighters protesting the advent 0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:21.000 of the street lamp, or textile workers strikes that shook 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:24.560 England during the Industrial Revolution, this story has been playing 0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:27.200 out for a long time. And as you noted earlier, 0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:31.200 we're in a moment of rapid technological change with AI 0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:35.319 right now that is similar to the Industrial Revolution in 0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:39.319 a lot of ways. It's likely to increase productivity, it 0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:40.120 will probably. 0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:41.960 Benefit consumers in many ways. 0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:44.279 Over the long run, but in the short run, it's 0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:48.120 likely to place millions upon millions of workers. And the 0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:51.480 key difference here, something to keep in mind, is in 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:56.080 its pace. The Industrial Revolution took place over many, many decades. 0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:59.319 You know, the first commercial steam engine was designed in 0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:02.600 seventeen tw out. Then it took seventy years after that 0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:04.719 before we put the steam engine into a train and 0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:09.080 then forty years before that locomotive train was common. Compare 0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:12.719 that to AI. CHANGBT was released a couple of years ago, 0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:16.040 and companies across the economy are already trying to figure 0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:18.759 out how does this fit into their business and what 0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:21.960 pieces of their business can be automated. 0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:25.000 Which has all of us in the work sector looking 0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:28.600 over our shoulders. And it's not just manufacturing and imports 0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:36.320 and shipping and car manufacturing. Accountants, lawyers, software engineers, graphic designers, drivers, 0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:38.960 you know. With AI and autonomus vehicles, all that and 0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:41.239 many many more fields are now in jeopardy when they 0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:43.160 once were. He thought, Hey, I'm an account I'm a lawyer, 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:44.880 I'm an engineer, I'm set for life. 0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:46.080 No, that's not true anymore. 0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:51.600 That's absolutely true. Depending on your field, the AI will 0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:55.120 impact employment in different ways and at a different pace. 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:59.000 What's expected to happen is that AI will probably impact 0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:06.040 the industry retail moving and g gipping first, and it could, 0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:08.799 but in the long run, again, as you noted, it'll 0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:13.520 impact a really broad range of sectors, including sectors that 0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:15.640 we previously thought were safe for automation. 0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:17.560 I'm in the radio industry as we sit here, and 0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:20.239 have this conversation on the radio. I saw not long 0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:23.040 ago that there was a djab At music station. I 0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:24.600 believe this is an Australia, I want to say. And 0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:26.720 they couldn't figure out who this new voice was whatever. 0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:31.080 About six months into it, the company divulges it's AI. 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:33.320 It's not a real person. And everyone thought it was 0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:35.920 a real person because they're sharing intimate personal stories and 0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:39.319 everything else. And you know, it's that always case where 0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:40.840 it's like, well, you know it's not going to impact 0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:43.400 my job, Well, it's impacting our jobs right and tomorrow 0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:45.360 it may not be years today, but tomorrow it is 0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:47.200 going to be years. I think a great example of 0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:49.560 that of the porch. It wasn't long ago we had 0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:53.680 the port strikes in America. We're woefully behind the rest 0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:55.560 of the world would come to this, But now they're 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:57.759 fighting for their market share and jobs, which I get. 0:41:57.760 --> 0:41:59.960 But the reality is the rest of the world's already 0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:02.359 moved on, and a lot of this stuff has done 0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:06.120 with artificial intelligence and AI that controls robots. 0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:07.919 I think you're right. 0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:12.680 What we know is that there is a large displacement 0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:18.840 of US workers coming because of the AI revolution. Now policymakers, unions, 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:23.799 employers have some successful examples from history to draw on 0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:27.440 for how we can help workers transition into the future workforce. 0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:32.759 During the Industrial Revolution, we created the public education system 0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:36.680 and we implemented worker protections over a number of years. 0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:40.480 That helps to create the factory jobs that we now 0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:43.000 look back on and say, well, that was a good job, 0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:45.160 that was a good paying job, and we missed that right. 0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:49.120 The GI Bill is another example that helps eight million 0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:52.040 World War two veterans find work back in the US 0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:55.080 after the end of the war. Of course, we're facing 0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:58.760 a displacement of workers much larger than eight million workers. 0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:01.480 By some estimate, that's going to be forty seven percent 0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:04.960 of the US workforce that's impacted by the implementation of AI. 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:07.960 WOW, and that brings up a whole host of other questions. 0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:09.719 Is, all right, we've got a lot of people and 0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:12.040 there's not enough jobs for everybody. How do we survive? 0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:15.200 Things like universal basic income have come into play. I've 0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:17.680 also heard people like I don't amays Bill gay someone 0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:19.760 like that. It's an idea that's been around for a while, 0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:23.320 which involves actually taxing the AI and taxing the robots 0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:24.680 as if they were a real. 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:27.000 Worker as possible. 0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:29.400 I think what we need right now are big ideas 0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:34.360 both in education and in worker protection specifically over the 0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:36.600 immediate term. One of the things that Congress can do 0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:39.319 is implement protections to make sure that AI is not 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:44.160 used in an invasive, privacy intruding way on workers, to 0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:48.360 overly monitor their productivity in a way that's dehumanizing. 0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:50.799 AI most certainly is going to take a lot of 0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:53.520 jobs away, and there's going to be huge worker displacement 0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:53.920 right there. 0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:54.840 How do we navigate that? 0:43:56.680 --> 0:44:00.520 You're correct, there are jobs that will will have in 0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:03.120 the future that we can't imagine right now because they 0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:06.360 are before the advent of computers. A lot of the 0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:09.200 jobs that we're doing today we could not have imagined. 0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:12.719 It did destroy jobs. There was the process of creative 0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:16.120 destruction where many workers were displaced, but it also created jobs. 0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:19.560 Even if you look at ports, there are jobs operating 0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:25.080 automatic you know, cranes and highly autonomous vehicles that we 0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:28.080 could not have imagined forty years ago. The number of 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:31.839 people those ports employee is different, but there are new 0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:35.040 jobs that are on their way because of this technological 0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:35.760 change as well. 0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:40.560 It makes a sense Chris then to fight if you're 0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:42.839 a worker of existing worker, whether it's unions or not, 0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:48.080 to protect workers from market forces instead of unsafe working conditions. 0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:50.160 You know, there's still plenty of jobs out there that 0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:52.400 are a little bit more dangerous than others. But clearly 0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:55.320 in the last one hundred years in the industrial level revolution, 0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:57.560 we're a lot safer than we've ever been in the 0:44:57.600 --> 0:44:59.960 workplace because of the union, because of rules and regulation, 0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:04.200 and so as a result of this thing, now maybe 0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:07.359 more of the focuses on the market forces, which here 0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:10.600 would be AI. Is how they is that I guess 0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:12.520 at the union sense is that how they continue to 0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:15.960 stay relevant because worker safety seems pretty good. 0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:19.000 I think you're actually going to see two types of 0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:23.880 resistance to automation and the implementation of AI from workers 0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:28.200 and unions. One is the replacement of jobs, which workers 0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:30.239 are going to protest because they don't want to see 0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:35.400 their jobs evaporate. And the second is the unfair implementation 0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:40.839 of AI that negatively impacts workers on the job. Right 0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:43.640 and again I turned to Privy as an example where 0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:47.279 we see some companies have implemented AI in a way 0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:51.280 that monitors employees every move in a very intrusive way 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.760 it monitors their click movements maybe if you're on a computer, 0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:58.000 and we're probably going to see some resistance to that 0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:00.440 as well. So I would describe those as the two 0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:03.400 paths of resistance that will likely encounter a. 0:46:03.440 --> 0:46:05.080 Day I is implemented. 0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:08.360 It's pretty scary though, that half the jobs in America 0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:11.120 are under threat from AI right now, which would totally 0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:13.080 upend the Apple gart But as you said, and I 0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:15.279 think of this often as that kids today, if you're 0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:17.680 in school, you're training for a job that does not 0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:20.680 yet exist. We'll just find a way to. For example, 0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:22.520 the computer, we're supposed to make our lives easier. Oh 0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:24.279 my gosh, we'll have all this free time to it's 0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:26.400 made it harder. Isn't that going to happen with AI. 0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:31.040 It'll make some things easier, it'll make some things harder. 0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:34.800 You know, we have the computer now, it's made shopping easier. 0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:37.239 For example, I have access to a whole world of 0:46:37.320 --> 0:46:40.160 products that I did not USETAB. I do think computers 0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:43.600 are really informative example, because in many ways it's made 0:46:43.600 --> 0:46:48.319 the lives of consumers easier. It's given consumers access to 0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:50.879 many products and things that they did not use stab 0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:54.960 access to but it's created two types of work, and 0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:57.840 in some cases it feels like it's made life harder 0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:00.920 for everyday workers and are kind of, yeah. 0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:02.560 It feels that it's supposed to be, Oh God, and 0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:04.920 we we'll spend all day going shopping with our you know, 0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:06.640 going out with our family and hanging out. No, we 0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:08.880 just spend all our days in front of a screen. 0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:09.040 Now. 0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:12.279 Granted it's TikTok, it's Facebook, it's other things. But you know, 0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:15.000 I think the nature we work more as more hours 0:47:15.040 --> 0:47:17.560 than we used to. In some cases, we've seen those 0:47:17.560 --> 0:47:19.480 studies come out go and are actually spending more time 0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:22.440 working away from work than it used to be. 0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:23.040 In the old days. 0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:25.200 You know, we'd punched the clock in eight hour shift, 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:27.359 ten hours whatever, we'd go home, we'd have the rest 0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:27.839 of our lives. 0:47:27.880 --> 0:47:30.080 And now it just follows us home. That's that's a point. 0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:34.160 Yeah, and you noted you know, computers, It depends on 0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:36.600 how you frame it, right. Some people look at computers 0:47:36.640 --> 0:47:39.080 and they say, well, they've made us much more productive. 0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:41.600 But at the same time, what is that How does 0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:46.200 that productivity manifest for workers themselves? Sometimes that's people checking 0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:49.080 their phones after five pm? The thing can be said 0:47:49.080 --> 0:47:51.640 of AI, it'll make workers more productive, but how does 0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:56.200 that productivity manifest? Is that in you know, monitoring workers 0:47:56.280 --> 0:48:00.000 every move, every click, and we need to make sure 0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:03.160 protections are in place so that it's not implemented and 0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:04.839 dehumanizing our unfair way. 0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:08.160 Yeah, exactly how quickly is this happening? We know AI 0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:11.040 is moving exceptionally fast. I mentioned the four industry revolutions 0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:13.800 with coal and gas and the digital revolution of the sixties, 0:48:13.840 --> 0:48:17.000 but this one is moving fast in all three of those. 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:19.440 That's a really good question. 0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:24.680 What we've seen with past eras of technological transformation is 0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:27.560 that it comes in kind of a jay curve. Right. 0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:31.720 You see the implementation of technology, you see companies trying 0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:34.320 to figure it out, and there's a moment of actually 0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:39.520 not increasing productivity, but almost decreasing productivity as companies are 0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:43.200 still trying to slop this technology into their business model 0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:45.120 and figure out a way to make them more productive. 0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:48.800 And then there's a period of rapid transformation of rapidly 0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:50.080 increasing productivity. 0:48:50.320 --> 0:48:51.760 And we haven't hit that yet. 0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:54.879 We're still in the phase where companies are looking at 0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:57.719 this tech and trying to figure out how to implement it, 0:48:58.040 --> 0:49:00.759 but we will soon. We will see see that era 0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:02.160 of rapid transformation. 0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:04.359 And I would suggest too that we're going to see 0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:06.600 a host of other careers developed as a result of 0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:08.960 AI that we don't know, as we've mentioned before, and 0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:11.520 so ultimately scares the hell out of us because right 0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:13.480 now are going, Wow, my job may be eliminated. It's 0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:15.560 probably not going to be tomorrow. But you and I 0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:16.960 you ought to be looking over your shoulder. 0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:21.680 That's true. Your job won't be eliminated tomorrow. And I 0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:25.360 think what's important to think about is how can bringing 0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:29.400 AI into your work also help make you more productive 0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:34.000 as someone who's who's an employee right because it can 0:49:34.040 --> 0:49:37.080 help make employees more and more competitive piece of the 0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:40.160 workforce if they are able to find ways to implement 0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:40.680 AI in. 0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:41.160 Their own work. 0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:45.320 He's Chris McKenzie with the nonprofit Americans for Responsible Innovation. 0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:48.800 They handle AI policy and the public interest, not necessarily 0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:51.480 pro AI, but figuring out how it all works. And 0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:54.920 now maybe you got some questions answered for this problem. Listen, 0:49:55.239 --> 0:49:58.239 you brought me up more questions than than answers at 0:49:58.239 --> 0:50:00.520 this point, which I get. But it's so rapidly changing. 0:50:00.560 --> 0:50:03.160 If you're older, it'll affect you a little less. And 0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:06.399 retirement it'll affect you because AI will be doing more 0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:08.239 for you. But if you're in the workforce into your 0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:11.400 relatively younger middle aged Uh, this is the future you're facing. 0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:14.440 Is we all have it's technological challenge. America is about innovation. 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:16.880 We always lean into that. We don't shy away from it, 0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:19.279 or we shouldn't anyway. Chris, all the best, thanks again. 0:50:19.400 --> 0:50:21.080 Thank you, Scott, have a good one. 0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:23.480 Yeah, too long, didn't read. We will figure it out. 0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:25.560 We always do. Now there's going to be a huge 0:50:25.600 --> 0:50:28.200 upheople in jobs, and again there's going to be jobs created. 0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:30.520 We don't know that they don't exist right now, that 0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:33.120 it exists tomorrow. There's That's always been the case, and 0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:36.680 probably more so today than ever. New AI bot comes 0:50:36.680 --> 0:50:38.560 out says yeah, I put a couple of keywords in 0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:42.239 and it will generate fake video for you. And the 0:50:42.400 --> 0:50:46.160 video is unbelievably compelling. So what does that mean when 0:50:46.200 --> 0:50:49.960 you could with a few key strokes create a I 0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:54.120 don't know, a program, a TV show, fake news dialogue 0:50:54.120 --> 0:50:57.160 between two people. I mean the content that we watch 0:50:57.160 --> 0:50:59.359 on our screens, whether it's the one in your hand 0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:02.719 or the one on your all. What is that going 0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:04.200 to look like in the next few years, over the 0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:06.120 next five, ten years, or simply like, you know, does 0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:08.600 Hollywood go away because it's all AI? Now that's a 0:51:08.640 --> 0:51:10.560 really really good question. Now, I'd see that's kind of 0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:14.319 hitting home for us here in the creative sector. Will 0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:16.319 the voice that you hear on the station or through 0:51:16.360 --> 0:51:17.959 your phone? I guess I won't. Eve miss station would 0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:20.040 be an app in the future just simply be something 0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:22.400 that's AI generated. I mean, we watch a lot of 0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:24.040 fake videos now and go, yeah, I think it's kind 0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:26.080 of fake, but it's funny dog driving a car. Look 0:51:26.080 --> 0:51:29.280 at that. That's pretty good and you watch it. Okay, 0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:31.160 so already consuming that accunt that we know is fake. 0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:33.080 In the future, it won't. And what does that mean 0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:35.279 for news? What does that mean for information? Do we 0:51:35.320 --> 0:51:38.080 get more even more divided? That's even possible. When it 0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:41.080 comes to our worldview, we'll find such a niche of 0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:45.400 our that reflects our own narrow world views that collectivism 0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:48.839 and society for that matter, now becomes an o layer. 0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:51.759 We're moving more towards the individual and more away from society. 0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:55.160 A lot of people say that'll end America, this great 0:51:55.160 --> 0:51:57.040 experience as we know it, will it or will just 0:51:57.040 --> 0:51:59.799 look different? Great questions and A is going to drive 0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:02.120 this thing for sure. Anyway, let me get a news 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:05.240 update in and that's real news with a live, breathing 0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:10.920 human being. Well it's Uchino, so I think it's I 0:52:10.920 --> 0:52:12.719 don't know if he's breathing or he may be a 0:52:12.719 --> 0:52:15.560 bot himself. Kind of looks like a bo Anyway, whoever 0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:16.960 has the news, we have it for you live and 0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:20.560 then we return afterwards. Scott's loan on seven hundred WLW 0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:26.120 Sloaney rolling on with you here, seven hundred W LW. 0:52:26.560 --> 0:52:30.120 When politicians say it's about the children, it's about our children. 0:52:30.200 --> 0:52:33.920 They gotta save our children, and a never about saving 0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:38.080 no children, It's about something else. So yesterday Governor Mike 0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:40.920 DeWine issued a ninety day ban on THC and fused 0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:44.960 gummies and beverages and outside outside licensed marijuana dispensary. So 0:52:44.960 --> 0:52:46.479 you got a license from the state and the tax 0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:48.680 goes along with that. And if you're not paying that 0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:50.839 viig then guess what We're gonna shut you down. That's 0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:52.960 a message I got into this, how about you? So 0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:55.440 bottom line is this if you enjoy a I know 0:52:55.560 --> 0:53:00.000 THHG infused gummy or a vape or a product. For example, 0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:04.680 a lot of brewers have added something new to their 0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:09.200 seltzer lineup, and that would be THC infused beverages for adults, 0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:12.160 sold at bars, sold at restaurants. People enjoyment, My wife 0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:16.160 loves them. According to the governor's ban here they have 0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:20.800 to remove displays and sales by October fourteenth, midnight October fourteenth. 0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:22.839 So what does this mean for I don't know, small 0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:27.000 businesses in Ohio and for those people who enjoy seltzers, 0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:28.440 particularly CDB seltzers. 0:53:29.160 --> 0:53:30.759 What does that? What does that even look like? 0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:32.960 I had Jason Freeman on the OICBD guy first at 0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:36.360 the show, and now it's Bobby Slattery. Bobby's the founder 0:53:36.400 --> 0:53:38.359 of fifty West and joins the show. Now, Bobby, how 0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:38.640 are you. 0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:41.799 I'm doing great, Thanks for having me on the show. 0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:44.680 Appreciate you calling and checking in with us. I got 0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:46.440 to say, I mean, you guys are it seems like 0:53:46.440 --> 0:53:50.040 you're growing leaps and bounds with the retail establishments that 0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:54.319 you have, and it, I mean, it's really something. It's 0:53:54.320 --> 0:53:57.000 cool to see someone local do so well. But you know, 0:53:57.040 --> 0:53:59.759 here's the problem with this thing is you guys saw 0:53:59.840 --> 0:54:04.240 him market opportunity here. You invested sizeable capital in CBD 0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:07.440 enhanced beverages. And now I'm sure you woke up this 0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:09.240 morning and went, what the hell just happened? 0:54:10.400 --> 0:54:12.920 Yeah, I mean it's funny. First off, I was driving 0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:15.520 in for a meeting this morning down at the county 0:54:15.520 --> 0:54:18.080 Commissioner's office that's something unrelated, and I was listening to 0:54:18.160 --> 0:54:20.160 your show and you kept saying our name, and I'm going, 0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:23.520 oh God, talking about us. I'm happy to talk. So 0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:25.799 I really appreciate you. You get me on the show and 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:26.800 getting my perspective. 0:54:26.800 --> 0:54:30.200 So basically everything I said so far, did I miss anything. 0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:31.920 I'm not going to slant. You know. 0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:34.120 I look at your success store and go, okay, you 0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:36.720 guys jump in the craft beer movement. You keep putting 0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:40.080 in new ventures. You've got new restaurants, and the Mason 0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:43.640 ones absolutely amazing. You got outdoor volleyball and his kid 0:54:43.640 --> 0:54:45.960 and dog friendly and you're drinking beer and my wife 0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:48.520 likes the Seltzers that did the CBD infused ones, and 0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:50.840 You're like, there's a market opportunity here, and now you 0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:54.080 come along and the governor in one swift move in 0:54:54.120 --> 0:54:55.560 three months is going to make this illegal. 0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:56.200 What's your reaction. 0:54:57.440 --> 0:55:00.719 Yeah, I mean I think, first off, I'm gonna I'm 0:55:00.719 --> 0:55:03.280 gonna eternal op So I'm trying to find the positives 0:55:03.320 --> 0:55:08.120 in this. The first about of Flower products, we launched 0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:11.399 that about about a year ago. And when we launched it, 0:55:11.440 --> 0:55:14.279 we saw this new space. We thought there might be 0:55:14.280 --> 0:55:17.040 a customer base there. We weren't really sure who it was. 0:55:17.440 --> 0:55:20.440 And what was amazing was the amount of customers that 0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:23.279 are that are moving away from alcohol, especially in the 0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:26.080 gen Z phase, but also as adults. Your wife might 0:55:26.080 --> 0:55:27.920 be one of these, but there's people that are just 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:32.640 they don't want alcohol anymore. They beverage is a social occasion, right, 0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:34.959 the act of drinking that's always going to be something 0:55:35.000 --> 0:55:37.400 that we do, not necessarily drinking alcohol, but the active 0:55:37.440 --> 0:55:38.600 act of drinking a beverage. 0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:39.799 And so a lot of. 0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:42.520 Customers started to find this space where, you know, they 0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:44.080 wanted to be social, but they didn't want it to 0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:46.960 mess with their sleep patterns. And so our Sunflower product, 0:55:46.960 --> 0:55:51.040 it was low milligram five milligram dosage, and so it 0:55:51.080 --> 0:55:54.600 became extremely popular, so much so that in our world. 0:55:54.760 --> 0:55:57.239 You know, craft beer is down tremendously across across the 0:55:57.239 --> 0:56:01.120 board nationwide, and beers down tremendously across the board. And 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:04.680 so this year we've seen the largest decline ever in 0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:07.520 sales and craft beer in the history of fifty West. 0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:11.000 We are going to make more total barralage this year 0:56:11.040 --> 0:56:14.480 than we've ever made before, and that's coming from these 0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:20.200 five milligram THHC beverages that we call Sunflower. And so 0:56:20.320 --> 0:56:22.919 I think and most of those people that are drinking 0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:26.600 those this is not that the customer is not it's 0:56:26.640 --> 0:56:28.960 not who the governor is kind of discussing here. Most 0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:31.400 of these people are choosing it as a it's health 0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:34.320 conscious reasons. It's because it's lower talarie, it's because it 0:56:34.320 --> 0:56:37.560 doesn't make you feel hungover, because you can function the 0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:40.440 next day. And so, you know, it's a little you know, 0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:43.640 it's frustrating. We obviously created a lot of jobs for 0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:47.960 us and opportunities, and so I think what we're looking 0:56:48.000 --> 0:56:50.560 towards is my hope is that the governor did this 0:56:50.600 --> 0:56:53.360 in an effort to kind of get the kind of 0:56:53.360 --> 0:56:55.960 get the attention of the legislature to try to pass 0:56:55.960 --> 0:56:58.360 some laws that would would help help put more structure 0:56:58.360 --> 0:57:00.359 to this. And so, you know, I think that's our 0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:02.920 mission right now is you know, I'm going around every 0:57:03.000 --> 0:57:06.080 LEGI everyone I can to say, hey, you know, we 0:57:06.120 --> 0:57:07.799 do believe that there should be laws in place here. 0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:10.640 I think that you know, it just twenty one and 0:57:10.760 --> 0:57:12.799 up like we write it on our cans. I think 0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:15.600 that's a pretty pretty understandable thing. The other thing I 0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:17.240 think you can look at is we can turn to 0:57:17.240 --> 0:57:19.640 alcohol and say there's a lot of good guidelines we 0:57:19.680 --> 0:57:21.760 can just follow as far as alcohol is concerned, as 0:57:21.800 --> 0:57:24.760 it relates to taxation, as it relates to how it's regulated. 0:57:25.560 --> 0:57:27.920 And so you know, our hope is that that we 0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:30.880 can quickly resolve this, it can work with the local 0:57:30.960 --> 0:57:35.920 legislation to get something agreeable. So, uh, you know, we're 0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:38.000 we're looking at the future. There's a real this is 0:57:38.040 --> 0:57:41.800 a real, real growth opportunity for people out there that 0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:46.200 haven't had these beverages. It's happening, it's happening fast, and 0:57:46.440 --> 0:57:48.560 it's a major marketplace that's going to create a lot 0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:51.160 of jobs and a lot of opportunities, especially here in Ohio. 0:57:51.480 --> 0:57:53.840 Ya, Bobby Slider, you you're an eternal optimist. You said, 0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:56.040 I'm a little bit more pragmatic. I tend to I 0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:57.720 like to look at the at the beer glass, the 0:57:57.720 --> 0:57:59.880 fifty West glass to being half full as opposed to 0:57:59.880 --> 0:58:00.480 have empty. 0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:01.520 I let us go. 0:58:01.600 --> 0:58:03.760 Okay, is this just a wake up call, a way 0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:06.600 to scare the legislature and a compliance here. I'm hoping 0:58:06.640 --> 0:58:10.000 that is the case. But as the weeks turned into months, 0:58:10.000 --> 0:58:12.680 and is that ninety day deadline rapidly approaches and in 0:58:12.720 --> 0:58:14.840 business ninety days is you know, maybe for you, it 0:58:14.840 --> 0:58:16.440 feels like a long time. When you've got a brick 0:58:16.480 --> 0:58:18.760 and mortar location, you're you know, you're looking at your 0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:21.760 your daily sales of your barrel sales of whatever you're 0:58:21.800 --> 0:58:24.440 moving out the door, and whether it's CBD, THC or 0:58:24.440 --> 0:58:27.240 good old fashioned beer, it could be water. If you're selling, 0:58:27.280 --> 0:58:28.560 you're going to make more of it. I get that 0:58:28.600 --> 0:58:30.760 it's good for jobs, good for the economy, and you 0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:33.680 made a sizable personal investment in this whole thing not 0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:37.440 that long ago, during the peak, you know, during craft 0:58:37.440 --> 0:58:39.000 beer and the big boom, which you say is kind 0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:41.160 of decline right now. Maybe it's a one year off. 0:58:41.200 --> 0:58:42.720 I don't know if it's a trend or whatever, but 0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:45.440 bottom line is, you know you're gonna run out of it. 0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:47.480 Feels like the clock may run out here on this 0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:50.240 whole thing. How optimistic are you that the legislature is 0:58:50.280 --> 0:58:52.360 going to get back in a session and go we 0:58:52.440 --> 0:58:54.960 got to address this right now? This is this is 0:58:54.960 --> 0:58:58.160 the biggest thing we've got to face. So so that's 0:58:58.160 --> 0:58:59.479 what I'm That's what I'm doing today. 0:58:59.560 --> 0:59:01.160 I mean, that's what I'm doing this morning, That's what 0:59:01.160 --> 0:59:04.400 I'll be doing for probably the next until we get 0:59:04.400 --> 0:59:08.200 this thing fixed. But yeah, I mean, my my recommendation 0:59:08.320 --> 0:59:11.320 to people that are out there is contact your local legislator. 0:59:11.320 --> 0:59:13.240 If you're somebody that drains these products, and there's a 0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:15.720 lot of you out there. I mean, the amount of 0:59:15.720 --> 0:59:17.840 growth we saw on this was was I mean, it 0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:20.720 was tremendous. And you know, if you want to fix this, 0:59:21.000 --> 0:59:23.720 rech out to your local legislator, talk to them about 0:59:23.720 --> 0:59:27.800 these products that have been removed via executive order and 0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:30.040 and tell them, tell them who you are and why 0:59:30.080 --> 0:59:32.680 you want it back. Because I believe in America. I 0:59:32.680 --> 0:59:36.240 believe in the American process, and I think that that 0:59:36.240 --> 0:59:38.520 that's how we fix this. So let's go out there, 0:59:38.640 --> 0:59:40.640 let's rally this up because you are right. I mean, 0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:43.160 I have we hired our whole sales team over the 0:59:43.240 --> 0:59:46.640 last several months, and you know, I don't know what 0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:48.840 to tell those people to do as of Tuesday. It's 0:59:48.880 --> 0:59:50.840 hard to sell a product that you're not allowed to sell, right, 0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:54.320 So with that being said, I'm committed to my team 0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:56.360 and you know, they made a commitment to me, and 0:59:56.400 --> 0:59:58.040 so you know, we're going to go out there and 0:59:58.440 --> 1:00:00.240 you know, if they can't sell product and we're going 1:00:00.240 --> 1:00:02.720 to go we'll send them into like politicians. I don't 1:00:02.720 --> 1:00:03.880 know what we're going to do with them, but we're 1:00:03.920 --> 1:00:05.880 gonna We're going to figure out a way to make 1:00:05.920 --> 1:00:09.600 sense of this because our sales, the way I like 1:00:09.600 --> 1:00:11.360 to look at it is the sales and the growth 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:15.000 of of of the of the sunflower products was that 1:00:15.200 --> 1:00:18.040 it was the people of Ohio speaking. It was consumer preference, right. 1:00:18.040 --> 1:00:20.560 They weren't buying these products because somebody was forcing them to. 1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:22.720 They were buying them because this is this is a 1:00:23.360 --> 1:00:26.920 new wave that they're moving towards. And so you know, 1:00:26.960 --> 1:00:28.840 if that's the voice of Ohiolands, then I think that 1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:30.480 we should be able to get these laws straight, to 1:00:30.480 --> 1:00:32.080 be able to cater to the people that live here. 1:00:32.200 --> 1:00:34.000 Otherwise you know, yeah. 1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:36.680 They're going to go to Kentucky or Indiana or exactly. 1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:38.240 It's okay, So maybe, I mean, look at how they 1:00:38.440 --> 1:00:39.680 screw I don't know how big you are in the 1:00:39.680 --> 1:00:42.200 marijuana thing, but how they how the song got screwed 1:00:42.240 --> 1:00:43.560 in the first place. I mean, there was an overwhelm 1:00:43.840 --> 1:00:45.800 the ground, slow of support online. You could see the 1:00:45.840 --> 1:00:49.000 wave coming across America's More and more states adopted medical 1:00:49.040 --> 1:00:50.160 and then recreational weed. 1:00:50.160 --> 1:00:51.000 And you know what's going to happen. 1:00:51.040 --> 1:00:53.000 In Ohio, It passed yere with like sixty percent, and 1:00:53.080 --> 1:00:55.040 up until the last minute, the governor of the legislature 1:00:55.120 --> 1:00:57.600 fought and fought and fought against it and then try 1:00:57.640 --> 1:00:59.720 to create more rules to subvert that the will of 1:00:59.720 --> 1:01:03.680 the peace people. And now now we're having government that's 1:01:03.720 --> 1:01:07.960 screaming about you know. Uh, Delta a THHC products and 1:01:08.040 --> 1:01:11.440 Delta eight is a psychoactive compound and the highest similar 1:01:11.440 --> 1:01:14.680 to traditional marijuana. Delta nine is regular marins Delta eight. 1:01:14.760 --> 1:01:18.120 So it's just a molecule or two, all right. 1:01:19.000 --> 1:01:23.080 I Mean the governor outlawed all intoxic what he's calling 1:01:23.200 --> 1:01:26.160 intoxicating hemp, so whether it's delta we have a Delta 1:01:26.240 --> 1:01:29.600 nine product that adulta nine THHD products And there's a 1:01:29.640 --> 1:01:32.760 lot of opinions on on on that whole that whole 1:01:32.800 --> 1:01:34.800 side of it, but just to be clear, see outlaud 1:01:34.800 --> 1:01:36.800 all of it, and that put us that's where we're 1:01:37.080 --> 1:01:39.120 wor play and that's one of the things they're looking 1:01:39.160 --> 1:01:40.640 at the state level right now is what is the 1:01:40.680 --> 1:01:44.680 definition of this? Because that's I think that's that's one 1:01:44.720 --> 1:01:47.040 of the gray areas that may exist that people may say, Okay, 1:01:47.080 --> 1:01:49.360 well what what did he outlauding the outloud delta did 1:01:49.400 --> 1:01:51.680 the outloge tox saying hemp? There is no definition tox 1:01:51.680 --> 1:01:52.560 saying amp, so what is that? 1:01:52.720 --> 1:01:56.360 But yeah, because the legislature in twenty and nineteen messed 1:01:56.400 --> 1:01:58.120 that whole thing up. They just said hamp instead of 1:01:58.400 --> 1:02:03.080 specifying hamp as in the fabric versus happened And that's. 1:02:02.880 --> 1:02:03.640 The quote unquote. 1:02:03.800 --> 1:02:05.600 But my point on that, though Bobby was and hear 1:02:05.640 --> 1:02:07.960 me out, is the fact that this whole thing was 1:02:08.040 --> 1:02:11.480 created by prohibition and that people saw the benefits of 1:02:11.520 --> 1:02:14.000 marijuana could use it responsibly legally saying hey, you don't 1:02:14.000 --> 1:02:15.800 I feel as bad as they do after alcohol and 1:02:16.160 --> 1:02:18.320 you know, opioids. I'm on that because I just had 1:02:18.360 --> 1:02:21.440 surgery and I'm like, I'd rather use the marijuana THHC 1:02:21.600 --> 1:02:24.280 as a pain relief and as a sleep aid as 1:02:24.320 --> 1:02:28.160 opposed to something that's habited forming and THD is not. 1:02:28.320 --> 1:02:29.920 But the fact of the matter is all these you 1:02:29.960 --> 1:02:32.120 know ta whether it's Delta eight or Delta ten, and 1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:34.440 then people think, well, you know, they're chemical compounds and 1:02:34.480 --> 1:02:37.000 it's not the real it's because you prohibited people from 1:02:37.080 --> 1:02:39.800 getting it. And so to your point about market forces, 1:02:40.080 --> 1:02:42.000 people found a way around that and said, well, you 1:02:42.080 --> 1:02:44.440 know what, chemically, I can change it and it's still legal. 1:02:44.640 --> 1:02:47.240 So and you know, called a loophole is I think 1:02:47.680 --> 1:02:51.160 disingenuous the fact that you have a product that people want. 1:02:51.200 --> 1:02:53.840 You didn't make a product Bobby at fifty West and say, 1:02:54.040 --> 1:02:55.440 I wonder if people buy it. You knew there was 1:02:55.440 --> 1:02:57.160 a demand for it, and you jumped into it. And 1:02:57.240 --> 1:03:00.200 that's that you realize the American dream that way, now 1:03:00.200 --> 1:03:03.240 they're going we prohibited it, and now we're going after 1:03:03.360 --> 1:03:05.479 the thing that problem we created in the first place. 1:03:06.400 --> 1:03:08.760 Yeah, I think the frustrating part for us is that 1:03:09.120 --> 1:03:12.760 our customers that are drinking sunflour. They're doing it, most 1:03:12.760 --> 1:03:15.200 of them. This is a health conscious decision. This is 1:03:15.320 --> 1:03:18.080 not a this is this isn't you know, a different 1:03:18.080 --> 1:03:21.120 psychoactive that they prefer most of them. It's a it's 1:03:21.120 --> 1:03:24.560 an alternative alcohol that they believe in, not believe, but 1:03:25.680 --> 1:03:28.880 just healthier. The calories are less, it doesn't disrupt your sleep. 1:03:29.760 --> 1:03:32.520 So so I think that's that's what we're trying to 1:03:32.840 --> 1:03:35.120 understand and try to try to, you know, spread that 1:03:35.160 --> 1:03:38.320 message because we're the largest seller. I mean, we were 1:03:38.360 --> 1:03:41.560 selling more of that. Here's what's interesting. This is a 1:03:41.680 --> 1:03:45.240 five milligram THHC beverage. Now, if you went into the 1:03:45.320 --> 1:03:47.520 store and for ten dollars you could get five milligram 1:03:47.600 --> 1:03:50.760 beverage or for ten dollars you get fifty miligram beverage. 1:03:51.120 --> 1:03:53.080 Naturally you would probably think, well, I would take the 1:03:53.160 --> 1:03:55.800 fifty because I get more of it. Customers are buying 1:03:55.840 --> 1:03:59.080 the lower milligram beverage because they're looking for the healthy alternative. 1:03:59.120 --> 1:04:03.960 It's for the better miss of society, right, So for 1:04:04.080 --> 1:04:08.120 the band to be in place because of safety purposes, Uh, 1:04:08.440 --> 1:04:10.320 it seems a little you know, that's the part that's 1:04:10.360 --> 1:04:12.040 a little difficult for me to meet, it for me 1:04:12.120 --> 1:04:15.880 to grasp, and I feel bad for you know, they 1:04:15.960 --> 1:04:18.040 talked about the toxicology reports and things like that, and 1:04:18.200 --> 1:04:20.600 I'm sure there's validity to those, but you know, I 1:04:20.640 --> 1:04:22.320 would I would argue that if you look at the 1:04:22.360 --> 1:04:25.480 toxicology reports as it related to alcohol with the same 1:04:25.600 --> 1:04:28.440 same group, it would be exponentially greater question. And so 1:04:28.520 --> 1:04:30.680 if we were really trying to save the children here, like, 1:04:30.960 --> 1:04:33.920 are we talking about prohibition on alcohol? Because that I 1:04:34.120 --> 1:04:36.840 think that would stir ale a whole different, whole difference. 1:04:36.920 --> 1:04:37.120 We have. 1:04:37.280 --> 1:04:40.400 We have Bobby Slattery from fifty US, We have a 1:04:40.560 --> 1:04:42.800 litany and there's a long list of kids who have 1:04:42.880 --> 1:04:44.640 done I mean, vaping is a huge thing. And I 1:04:44.880 --> 1:04:47.080 mentioned that I had Jason Friedman on the Ohio CBD Guy. 1:04:47.120 --> 1:04:48.680 There's all vave products too. And if you get a 1:04:48.760 --> 1:04:53.000 container of nicotine liquid nicotine, it can kill you through 1:04:53.120 --> 1:04:56.240 through either usclar your skin, or whether you drink it 1:04:56.320 --> 1:04:58.600 or whatever. I mean, enough nicotine will kill a person. 1:04:58.760 --> 1:05:01.120 I know, we know enough alcohol will kill a person. Right, 1:05:02.160 --> 1:05:04.200 you can't kill a person with hamp and a THHD. 1:05:04.360 --> 1:05:07.360 Now does anyone want their kid quote unquote oding or 1:05:07.440 --> 1:05:10.560 taking a hump related product or CBD pre or THHD. No, 1:05:10.760 --> 1:05:12.880 of course not, because it's it's frightening for the kid 1:05:12.880 --> 1:05:15.320 to strike to be as a parent, and if it 1:05:15.360 --> 1:05:18.000 falls into kid's hands then that that is a huge problem. 1:05:18.040 --> 1:05:21.640 But I mean you just open fifty West in Deerfield 1:05:21.680 --> 1:05:23.200 Township and I've been there a couple of times. It's 1:05:23.200 --> 1:05:27.760 phenomenal volleyball and the whole vibe is great, and I 1:05:27.800 --> 1:05:29.520 look at that and go, that's awesome. People are out 1:05:29.520 --> 1:05:32.080 there and enjoying themselves. I see people drinking sunflower, which 1:05:32.160 --> 1:05:34.920 is the beverageer talking about here. How many kids a 1:05:35.040 --> 1:05:37.600 day do you serve at fifty West and feed them 1:05:38.560 --> 1:05:40.959 a sunflower and thch How often does that happen? 1:05:41.160 --> 1:05:41.200 No? 1:05:41.520 --> 1:05:44.400 No, no, no, no, never kids don't. I mean the 1:05:44.480 --> 1:05:46.640 kids come there for the milkshakes and the chicken fingers 1:05:46.680 --> 1:05:48.680 and the cheap version, and to be honest, the sand 1:05:49.880 --> 1:05:53.120 I think that's what we saw was especially in the 1:05:53.160 --> 1:05:56.880 family friendly space and people that are out there listening. 1:05:57.000 --> 1:05:58.800 If you've got kids and they play sports, you've been 1:05:58.880 --> 1:06:00.880 there on the Sunday after for the soccer game where 1:06:00.880 --> 1:06:03.000 the soccer team has to get together and you're like, 1:06:03.120 --> 1:06:04.400 I feel like I got to be social, but I 1:06:04.480 --> 1:06:05.880 really don't feel like drinking because I gotta go to 1:06:05.920 --> 1:06:07.800 work in the morning. And that's where we were seeing 1:06:07.840 --> 1:06:10.760 these sunflower beverages really take off. Was like it was 1:06:10.840 --> 1:06:12.920 the soccer team showing up and the moms being like, 1:06:13.440 --> 1:06:15.240 you know what, I don't feel like drinking, but I 1:06:15.320 --> 1:06:16.680 got to do something social, so I'll. 1:06:16.600 --> 1:06:17.080 Have one of these. 1:06:17.160 --> 1:06:19.560 So they were really falling somewhere in between what we 1:06:19.720 --> 1:06:22.200 call an na beverage and alcohol. This was sort of 1:06:22.240 --> 1:06:25.080 that in between medium, and it was awesome to see. 1:06:25.120 --> 1:06:26.720 I mean, it's been awesome and I think I think 1:06:26.760 --> 1:06:29.520 there's a real marketplace for that to continue. So I 1:06:30.160 --> 1:06:31.800 think the goal here though, is in one of the 1:06:31.880 --> 1:06:34.840 things that you know, it is right now there's no 1:06:34.920 --> 1:06:36.959 age regulation on this, and I think that that's something 1:06:37.040 --> 1:06:40.360 that we need to put into effect. Right So my goal, 1:06:40.600 --> 1:06:43.840 being an optimist, is let's reach out to the legislators. 1:06:44.040 --> 1:06:46.960 This was an extreme action taken by our governor, right 1:06:47.120 --> 1:06:50.600 like he took an extreme measure, I'm hoping that our 1:06:50.680 --> 1:06:53.040 legislators are going to take extreme measures to go make 1:06:53.080 --> 1:06:55.480 better loss because one of the things that he put 1:06:55.520 --> 1:06:57.920 in there was. If we can get this thing passed 1:06:57.960 --> 1:06:59.880 through and get some sort of bill and understanding of 1:07:00.360 --> 1:07:03.280 reasonable laws in place, well then we can go back 1:07:03.320 --> 1:07:05.600 to selling these things again. And so I can sit 1:07:05.680 --> 1:07:07.640 here and I can cry and say this isn't fair. 1:07:07.760 --> 1:07:10.120 We invested money and there's jobs at stake and all 1:07:10.160 --> 1:07:12.200 that stuff. Or I can sit here and fight and say, hey, 1:07:12.240 --> 1:07:13.880 we're going to make America better and we're going to 1:07:13.960 --> 1:07:16.400 find a way to put laws in place that makes 1:07:16.440 --> 1:07:18.080 sense for Ohio so we can get to the place 1:07:18.080 --> 1:07:18.360 where we. 1:07:18.400 --> 1:07:18.720 Want to be. 1:07:19.520 --> 1:07:21.840 And that's that's what my efforts are focused on right now. 1:07:22.720 --> 1:07:24.440 And you know I would I would rally people that 1:07:24.480 --> 1:07:27.200 are out there, reach out to your legislator, because that's 1:07:27.320 --> 1:07:30.200 that's how this thing's going to change. Yeah, and here 1:07:30.240 --> 1:07:32.760 and cry, cry on the sidelines and say this isn't fair, 1:07:32.800 --> 1:07:34.600 it's illegal. Why did you do this to me. It's like, hey, 1:07:34.880 --> 1:07:37.280 let's go change the laws. Let's go make Ohio better 1:07:37.280 --> 1:07:39.120 in place, and let's get this in a spot where 1:07:39.160 --> 1:07:39.600 we want it to be. 1:07:39.760 --> 1:07:41.800 Look, there are people out there. They're bad operators always 1:07:41.800 --> 1:07:43.280 gonna be bad. There's gonna be people who are buying 1:07:43.680 --> 1:07:46.080 the alcohol for underage kids, right, I mean that's happening, 1:07:46.080 --> 1:07:49.080 and if we've seen that happen. But in this case, Ana, 1:07:49.120 --> 1:07:51.439 you got some guy wants a gas station or carry 1:07:51.480 --> 1:07:55.240 out whatever selling THT laced sour Patch kids. And it 1:07:55.360 --> 1:07:57.439 looks like sour Patch Kids is some fifteen year old 1:07:57.480 --> 1:07:59.960 or a product that's Delta eight tilta ten product that's 1:08:00.080 --> 1:08:03.320 going to get them high. And there's a loophole there. Okay, 1:08:03.400 --> 1:08:05.720 that's a bad operator, mind book. You go after that person, 1:08:05.800 --> 1:08:07.680 you shut them down, You make an example to dissuade 1:08:07.720 --> 1:08:10.640 others from over sheer greed from doing the same thing. 1:08:11.600 --> 1:08:14.160 That's what we're talking about with fifty West and uh 1:08:14.400 --> 1:08:16.960 a drink that's intended for adults here, but yet we're 1:08:17.080 --> 1:08:18.720 casting everyone to the same lot. 1:08:19.720 --> 1:08:23.040 Yeah, it's it's important circumstance that we're caught in right now. 1:08:23.120 --> 1:08:26.560 But you know, like like I said, this is just 1:08:26.640 --> 1:08:28.320 part of the fifty West story, Like we're going to 1:08:28.360 --> 1:08:29.800 go out there and we're going to help change the 1:08:29.880 --> 1:08:31.240 law and we're going to make it better so that 1:08:31.360 --> 1:08:33.560 the you know, on the positive, it's going to be 1:08:33.560 --> 1:08:34.880 good for our sales. When we get to fix on 1:08:34.920 --> 1:08:36.160 the positive, it's going to be good that we're going 1:08:36.200 --> 1:08:38.280 to eliminate the bad operators. But the only way to 1:08:38.360 --> 1:08:40.280 changes is through the legislators, and they really need to 1:08:40.680 --> 1:08:42.680 like this is time where they need to step up 1:08:43.080 --> 1:08:45.599 and they need to help help small businesses like us, 1:08:46.000 --> 1:08:49.320 help the consumers out there from you know, product products 1:08:49.320 --> 1:08:52.160 that potentially you know, are bad operators. I think I 1:08:52.240 --> 1:08:54.320 think it's a critical time in Ohio. And you know, 1:08:54.520 --> 1:08:56.280 the governor took a very bold it made a very 1:08:56.320 --> 1:08:59.320 bolde on this. Whether you agree with it, disagree with it, whatever, 1:08:59.760 --> 1:09:02.280 you know, all I can focus on is how do 1:09:02.439 --> 1:09:05.360 I make it? You know, the consumers are already smoke spoken. 1:09:06.240 --> 1:09:08.400 Just look at our sales, look at what's happening in 1:09:08.439 --> 1:09:10.320 the marketplace. Thank you, by the way, to everyone out 1:09:10.400 --> 1:09:13.280 out there that bought bought this, bought our products. The 1:09:13.360 --> 1:09:16.519 Sunflower thing it was. It was amazing to watch and 1:09:16.600 --> 1:09:18.640 it's going to continue to be. So let's go out 1:09:18.640 --> 1:09:20.599 there and fight figure out how to get this thing fixed. 1:09:20.680 --> 1:09:21.799 Like that's that's where my mine's. 1:09:21.880 --> 1:09:23.439 I gotcha before I let you go to put this 1:09:23.520 --> 1:09:25.120 in perspective, because this is a bad band goes an 1:09:25.120 --> 1:09:26.519 effect in ninety I don't know if we're going to 1:09:26.520 --> 1:09:28.280 get to ninety two, I think maybe the legislature wakes 1:09:28.360 --> 1:09:31.400 up and does something here finally. But at the same time, 1:09:31.760 --> 1:09:34.840 like if you're saying, okay, we're kind of peak craft beer, 1:09:34.920 --> 1:09:37.360 like people aren't drinking as much alcohol related profits. They're 1:09:37.360 --> 1:09:40.200 moving to the CBD and the TC related products and 1:09:40.200 --> 1:09:42.800 all that stuff, and it's a growing market share for you. 1:09:43.280 --> 1:09:45.479 The question would be, then can you survive without this? 1:09:48.120 --> 1:09:49.080 This is going to affect us. 1:09:49.280 --> 1:09:51.560 I mean, like, I mean, I'm going to survive no 1:09:51.640 --> 1:09:53.639 matter what happened. We made it through COVID, We made 1:09:53.680 --> 1:09:56.160 it through this is part of This is one of 1:09:56.240 --> 1:09:58.760 the best parts about being an entrepreneur, and if you 1:09:58.840 --> 1:10:00.760 want to be an entrepreneur out there, the best part 1:10:01.080 --> 1:10:03.080 our days are well they are days like today. This 1:10:03.200 --> 1:10:05.000 is when it's fun. The worst part about work is 1:10:05.040 --> 1:10:07.200 showing up and being like, all right, well, we're just 1:10:07.320 --> 1:10:08.680 you know, we're going to open the doors and we're 1:10:08.680 --> 1:10:10.679 going to do this. This this is when it's fun. 1:10:10.800 --> 1:10:13.840 So like, yes, we're going to survive it, Yes we're 1:10:13.840 --> 1:10:17.400 going to keep employing people. Yes, this is challenging, but 1:10:17.640 --> 1:10:19.320 like this is this is what makes my job fun 1:10:19.320 --> 1:10:20.160 and I'm excited about it. 1:10:20.240 --> 1:10:22.599 So how long does it take for you to produce 1:10:22.600 --> 1:10:25.200 a barrel of sunflower or our can of sunflow, because okay, 1:10:25.320 --> 1:10:27.519 that's ninety days. But you know, there's it's not like 1:10:27.680 --> 1:10:29.320 you can wake up and go, okay, I'm gonna make 1:10:29.400 --> 1:10:30.679 five hundred barrels of this stuff. 1:10:30.680 --> 1:10:33.840 How do you you know there's I mean, I mean, 1:10:33.840 --> 1:10:35.120 if you want to talk about the reality of the 1:10:35.200 --> 1:10:38.000 situation we're looking at, this is a product that took off. 1:10:38.160 --> 1:10:40.280 So when a product takes off, we gotta we gotta, 1:10:40.560 --> 1:10:43.599 we got to fruit. We get well, no, it's easy 1:10:43.680 --> 1:10:45.600 to say crank it out, but let's talk about you know, 1:10:45.720 --> 1:10:47.479 our fruit's coming out of one part of the country 1:10:47.520 --> 1:10:49.000 and our cans are coming out of another part of 1:10:49.040 --> 1:10:52.080 the country. So we we saw a massive demand and 1:10:52.160 --> 1:10:53.599 we're and now all of a sudden, we can't keep 1:10:53.720 --> 1:10:56.120 up with it. So we order all of this product. 1:10:56.200 --> 1:10:58.560 I mean, we've been this is months of work that 1:10:58.840 --> 1:11:01.680 now we have all these supplies. That's that's locked and 1:11:02.160 --> 1:11:05.280 you know, not allowed to use it. Right, So that's 1:11:05.360 --> 1:11:08.000 the that's the reality of the business. And and like 1:11:08.120 --> 1:11:09.760 I said before, I mean I can sit here and 1:11:09.840 --> 1:11:13.320 cry about it say it's not fair, but or you 1:11:13.479 --> 1:11:14.840 just got to go figure out how to fight and 1:11:14.920 --> 1:11:15.320 make it work. 1:11:15.400 --> 1:11:17.040 Well, let's try and get some let's try and get 1:11:17.040 --> 1:11:17.479 this fixed. 1:11:17.560 --> 1:11:17.720 Hum. 1:11:18.640 --> 1:11:21.720 Yeah, Call your legislators. Tell them, like, if you want 1:11:21.760 --> 1:11:24.479 the if you want these products because you love drinking 1:11:24.560 --> 1:11:26.800 them and and you're somebody that found some flower and 1:11:27.280 --> 1:11:30.120 and you know, helped grow that, call your legislator. If 1:11:30.120 --> 1:11:32.600 you're somebody that believes in you know, small business in 1:11:32.680 --> 1:11:35.280 America and you like my story, call them, you know, like. 1:11:35.360 --> 1:11:36.000 Help me out here. 1:11:36.400 --> 1:11:39.120 It's uh, it's this is fun. We're gonna, we're gonna, 1:11:39.120 --> 1:11:40.439 we're gonna figure it out, all I hope. 1:11:40.439 --> 1:11:42.880 So Hey, Matt, I appreciate calling in and jumping on 1:11:42.920 --> 1:11:44.599 the show this morning, Bobby and listening, and I thank 1:11:44.640 --> 1:11:44.920 you for that. 1:11:45.920 --> 1:11:47.840 I well, I appreciate you one coming out to our 1:11:47.920 --> 1:11:50.240 Nason location and saying the nice things about it and 1:11:50.280 --> 1:11:52.160 to talk about in the radio. I was coming in 1:11:52.240 --> 1:11:54.439 this morning. It's very frustrating. I tell you to sit 1:11:54.520 --> 1:11:56.120 here and have somebody keep throwing your name out there. 1:11:56.160 --> 1:11:58.439 I'm like, I got something to say, I got something. 1:11:58.640 --> 1:12:01.680 Hey, Well, I'm glad we you know, but it's on 1:12:01.720 --> 1:12:03.439 the same point though, like it's not like, you know, 1:12:03.479 --> 1:12:05.120 we're the odds of this, We're the same. We're rolling 1:12:05.160 --> 1:12:08.479 together here because this is that defends every sensibility I have. 1:12:08.680 --> 1:12:11.439 That that's someone like yourself and many others for that matter, 1:12:11.600 --> 1:12:14.559 not in brewing or maybe a CBD store owner whatever, 1:12:14.960 --> 1:12:18.840 or adults who simply want to enjoy something in the 1:12:18.880 --> 1:12:20.720 comfort of their own home or at the locations you 1:12:20.800 --> 1:12:23.400 talk about a fifty west uh. And to have a 1:12:24.240 --> 1:12:26.519 band come down in ninety days because it's about the 1:12:26.600 --> 1:12:28.960 children is offensive to everything I'm about. 1:12:29.080 --> 1:12:31.680 So ninety days it came down. It came down to 1:12:31.720 --> 1:12:32.120 five days. 1:12:32.120 --> 1:12:33.679 Well, five days, Yeah, I guess I should say. 1:12:33.520 --> 1:12:35.960 All right, right, we're gonna have a band for ninety Yeah, 1:12:36.040 --> 1:12:36.400 I got it. 1:12:36.640 --> 1:12:40.320 It's all right, Bobby, appreciate it. Good luck, man, Yeah, 1:12:40.439 --> 1:12:41.559 thank you, everybody. Take care. 1:12:41.680 --> 1:12:43.760 There you go, Bobby Slattery check it on the show 1:12:43.800 --> 1:12:47.479 this morning. Yeah, and look at the demand, and you're 1:12:47.479 --> 1:12:49.600 telling like, wait, man, I can't have this anymore. No, 1:12:49.760 --> 1:12:52.280 you can't have this anymore. Why, Well it's politics anyway, 1:12:52.320 --> 1:12:54.040 Alan Runner Light, I gotta get to new seven hundred 1:12:54.120 --> 1:12:54.519 w W. 1:12:57.960 --> 1:13:01.719 Scott here seven hundred WW. There finally be peace. Peace 1:13:01.800 --> 1:13:02.559 in our lifetime. 1:13:03.640 --> 1:13:06.120 There's a potential to end the two year war between 1:13:06.240 --> 1:13:09.960 Israel Hamas Prime Minister Benjamin NETANYAHUO said he's going to 1:13:10.000 --> 1:13:12.040 convene in the Israeli government. He's doing that today as 1:13:12.080 --> 1:13:15.439 we speak, to ratify the Seasfire agreement. And President Trump 1:13:15.479 --> 1:13:17.519 may travel at Egypt as soon as this weekend, and 1:13:17.600 --> 1:13:19.759 that's where the talks are being held to put in perspective. 1:13:19.760 --> 1:13:23.240 As doctor Mark Nzilaco, he's a UTI political scientist, also 1:13:23.439 --> 1:13:26.439 a Middle Eastern expert, former director International Studies Program, and 1:13:26.479 --> 1:13:28.719 founder of d's Human Rights Studies program. 1:13:29.160 --> 1:13:29.880 Mark, how you been. 1:13:31.280 --> 1:13:32.600 I'm fine? How are you? 1:13:32.960 --> 1:13:35.519 I'm fine. I think peace in the world is a 1:13:35.560 --> 1:13:35.920 good thing. 1:13:36.040 --> 1:13:38.479 I think when you see the people being ravaged, not 1:13:38.600 --> 1:13:41.880 only from what happened two years ago in twenty twenty three, 1:13:42.120 --> 1:13:46.320 to normal Israelis living their lives, to the bombing and 1:13:46.400 --> 1:13:48.800 Susan bombing of those in Gosam, any of those people 1:13:48.920 --> 1:13:51.800 not really other than the fact that they're chatteled in 1:13:51.840 --> 1:13:55.200 this whole mixed up conflict. Illustrates the absurdity and just 1:13:55.320 --> 1:13:58.479 how cruel we are to other human beings. And maybe 1:13:58.560 --> 1:14:00.560 we'll finally get peace. Peace at all asked and the 1:14:00.680 --> 1:14:04.680 question is will that piece last? Because I'm also well, 1:14:04.720 --> 1:14:06.360 I think the glass may be half full here. I 1:14:06.439 --> 1:14:08.200 think that there's some problems. We'll get into that. So 1:14:08.280 --> 1:14:10.040 let's talk about the deal real quick. Let me outline 1:14:10.040 --> 1:14:12.080 it in case you're not following this or just hearing 1:14:12.120 --> 1:14:13.960 it for the first time. Hamas has agreed to release 1:14:13.960 --> 1:14:17.360 all their remarrining hostages Israel. We will draw their withdraw 1:14:17.479 --> 1:14:20.599 their forces back to what they call the agreed upon 1:14:20.760 --> 1:14:24.519 yellow line. And this is just the first phase of 1:14:24.520 --> 1:14:27.280 the peace agreement. So it's going to be the hostages 1:14:27.320 --> 1:14:29.760 and then Palestinian prisoners get released, and then once that's 1:14:29.800 --> 1:14:33.439 finalized and within forty eight hours, all this is going 1:14:33.479 --> 1:14:35.200 to end. But there are some bombs going off today 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:38.200 as a matter of fact. So first and foremost is 1:14:38.280 --> 1:14:40.439 this is phase one and that seems to be the 1:14:40.520 --> 1:14:43.519 easy phase. Phase two and beyond that's probably the more difficult. 1:14:43.560 --> 1:14:44.280 Can you lay that out? 1:14:45.640 --> 1:14:48.160 Oh well, I mean there's the twenty point plan. It 1:14:48.360 --> 1:14:52.000 was agreed to a week or so ago, very elaborate, 1:14:52.200 --> 1:14:57.120 very very elaborate, very detailed, and the phase where now 1:14:57.280 --> 1:15:00.120 is really just whatater or two wide, you know, and 1:15:00.200 --> 1:15:03.519 the key is really getting Hamas to lay it down 1:15:03.560 --> 1:15:07.439 its weapons and uh for Hamas to have no future 1:15:08.120 --> 1:15:13.559 Uh in any Palestinian administration that runs that that land. 1:15:14.040 --> 1:15:17.080 And that's that's a long that's a long stretch. That's 1:15:17.760 --> 1:15:22.200 that's when you've laid the foundations for genuine peace. The 1:15:22.320 --> 1:15:26.200 smoke hasn't cleared yet from a two year and very 1:15:26.280 --> 1:15:29.960 as you say, very very bloody, very very violent war. 1:15:30.040 --> 1:15:36.240 I mean destruction on almost unimaginable levels. So I mean 1:15:36.320 --> 1:15:40.240 just psychologically and emotionally. How do people who are already 1:15:40.439 --> 1:15:43.479 each other's throats, how do they recover from this? How 1:15:43.600 --> 1:15:48.360 they move forward? Uh, you know, gritter things. Maybe you 1:15:48.400 --> 1:15:52.120 haven't been done, but maybe the violence was precisely so 1:15:52.360 --> 1:15:55.880 bad that everyone finally wakes up and realizes that we 1:15:56.080 --> 1:15:58.960 have to find a means to h to coexist and 1:15:59.120 --> 1:16:01.400 live together. So I'll hope that's the goal. 1:16:01.600 --> 1:16:04.120 Yeah, you hope so too. You just wonder how long 1:16:04.200 --> 1:16:05.680 it's going to last. And I kind of mentioned that 1:16:05.800 --> 1:16:08.080 in my preamble there, as you know, you're the professor 1:16:08.160 --> 1:16:10.880 in this conversation. You're the student of this more than 1:16:10.920 --> 1:16:14.280 I am. I can't count how many deals we've had 1:16:14.360 --> 1:16:17.479 in the past when it comes to different accords and 1:16:17.560 --> 1:16:20.479 the like. And that's not just Hummas but generally peace 1:16:20.520 --> 1:16:24.000 between Palestine in Israel itself. I mean the Also Accords 1:16:24.040 --> 1:16:26.559 back in the nineties, you had Camp David in two thousand, 1:16:27.320 --> 1:16:30.080 You've had summits and roadmaps for peace in the Annapolis 1:16:30.160 --> 1:16:33.200 Conference and Trump's peace plan from five years ago, and 1:16:33.840 --> 1:16:34.799 none of them went anywhere. 1:16:34.800 --> 1:16:35.559 Why is this the one? 1:16:37.400 --> 1:16:41.200 Yeah, you're exactly right. I mean, if those couldn't take 1:16:41.320 --> 1:16:46.559 hold in a much more favorable environment a peace than now, because, 1:16:46.720 --> 1:16:48.760 as I said a moment ago to the destruction, level 1:16:48.800 --> 1:16:52.960 of destruction is so great it's not even mistrust anymore. 1:16:53.040 --> 1:16:57.800 It's deep, deep hated hatred. So one could only hope 1:16:57.840 --> 1:17:01.120 that the violence was so immense that it shocked everybody 1:17:01.200 --> 1:17:04.640 into into a mind a mindset for a peace. But no, 1:17:04.960 --> 1:17:08.639 at this stage, we're looking what hostage you're coming back? 1:17:08.680 --> 1:17:13.880 I mean it's really intelligence is assessin that Hamas may 1:17:14.200 --> 1:17:16.639 even be able to return all the dead hostages because 1:17:17.200 --> 1:17:22.760 obviously because the yeah, so will we be released, which 1:17:22.920 --> 1:17:26.840 prisoners will be released? What will stay? You know? Still, 1:17:26.920 --> 1:17:33.920 the big piece is does Hamas retain any any power? Now? 1:17:34.080 --> 1:17:38.920 Both within Gaza among Palestinians, and certainly vis A vis 1:17:39.439 --> 1:17:42.320 Uh is real who's not going to stop hunting as? 1:17:42.680 --> 1:17:44.519 You know Israeli, So you're not going to stop hunting 1:17:44.960 --> 1:17:48.240 Hamas because they meet it. They they reached an agreement 1:17:48.240 --> 1:17:52.920 in Sharmol Shake, Egypt. So I mean the roots for 1:17:53.160 --> 1:17:57.360 violence are so deep that. Yeah. So it's work as 1:17:57.400 --> 1:17:59.760 hard as you can, as the UN says, get the 1:17:59.800 --> 1:18:03.920 house is out and get the aid in. Uh, but 1:18:04.400 --> 1:18:08.720 be realistic about uh, be realistic about the prospects for 1:18:08.880 --> 1:18:09.880 long long term piece. 1:18:10.200 --> 1:18:10.400 Yeah. 1:18:10.800 --> 1:18:13.360 Yeah, I just don't imagine Hamas is going to go away. Quiet, 1:18:13.400 --> 1:18:15.360 That's the thing is. And there's a couple of points 1:18:15.360 --> 1:18:17.439 in here too, is Hamas is going to lay down 1:18:17.479 --> 1:18:19.120 their arms and simply, guy, I just don't see this 1:18:19.240 --> 1:18:22.160 as kind of like the American Revolutionary War that all 1:18:22.240 --> 1:18:24.479 these combatants lay down their arms and go back to 1:18:24.520 --> 1:18:25.639 being gentlemen farmers. 1:18:27.320 --> 1:18:29.160 Yeah, yes, I don't see that at all. 1:18:29.360 --> 1:18:32.479 Uh, you know, I mean, you know there was back 1:18:32.520 --> 1:18:32.720 in the. 1:18:32.800 --> 1:18:36.200 Day, but Oswe accords when you know, elements at PLO 1:18:36.400 --> 1:18:38.960 fought that were coming and they had a terrorist background 1:18:39.000 --> 1:18:42.400 and they made a transition from that. But this Hamas 1:18:42.520 --> 1:18:47.519 is a different like his Bulla's a different beast. Here's 1:18:47.600 --> 1:18:51.280 the point, though, Gaza is is rubble and it really 1:18:51.400 --> 1:18:52.480 needs to be rebuilt. 1:18:53.120 --> 1:18:53.240 UH. 1:18:53.680 --> 1:18:56.920 The initial communities on this before port and billions and 1:18:57.040 --> 1:19:01.200 billions of dollars. Now what happened before was Hamas hijacked, 1:19:01.240 --> 1:19:04.439 that process hijacked. They were able to divert those nieces 1:19:05.000 --> 1:19:09.240 to missiles and tunnels and bombs and uniforms, all those 1:19:09.600 --> 1:19:14.360 all the belligerency material for war. So in the administration 1:19:15.040 --> 1:19:17.599 of this piece, if we move forward on this twenty 1:19:17.640 --> 1:19:21.680 point plant, there's the opportunity and there's really the imperative 1:19:22.200 --> 1:19:27.760 that the global community monitor their expendors, really control that 1:19:27.920 --> 1:19:33.479 process so that by by by administering Gaza UH really 1:19:33.600 --> 1:19:37.200 marginalizing Hamas there so Hamas will be could be at 1:19:37.240 --> 1:19:40.360 war UH with the self. Tell us to the ends 1:19:40.400 --> 1:19:44.240 up war with themselves. If Hamas is to retain is 1:19:44.360 --> 1:19:46.120 going to try to retain some influence. 1:19:46.320 --> 1:19:48.000 And that's the billion dollar question, man, how do you 1:19:48.040 --> 1:19:50.240 prevent that from happening? Because two things off the top 1:19:50.280 --> 1:19:53.120 of my head, mark Ensilaka, would be human nature, because 1:19:53.520 --> 1:19:57.400 you know the nature of having control as power and 1:19:57.479 --> 1:19:59.280 power as that comet and fear as part of that 1:19:59.760 --> 1:20:02.960 is the currency of power. And so, hey, how many 1:20:03.000 --> 1:20:04.920 regimes have we seen in the history of the world 1:20:05.000 --> 1:20:08.000 where someone's taken over and organization has taken over and 1:20:08.240 --> 1:20:10.760 it's become a total power grab. And again it's the 1:20:10.880 --> 1:20:13.760 has and the have nots. We take everything, we arm up, 1:20:13.800 --> 1:20:16.760 we scare the hell out of the people, and we 1:20:16.920 --> 1:20:18.880 keep them in line, whether it's this or pole pot 1:20:19.000 --> 1:20:21.000 or anybody else. And then the other thing is just 1:20:21.080 --> 1:20:23.360 out and out graft. Yeah, okay, we're going to have 1:20:23.400 --> 1:20:25.560 what the un oversee this? Yeah, good luck with that. 1:20:27.160 --> 1:20:31.920 Huh. Yeah. You know, there's an old expression in diplomacy 1:20:32.080 --> 1:20:35.720 that the devil lives in the details. It's easy to 1:20:35.760 --> 1:20:38.960 sort of reach. It's not easy, but it's possible to 1:20:39.040 --> 1:20:42.720 reach broad twenty point goals and have some sort of 1:20:42.800 --> 1:20:45.879 pacific vision of the future. But it's in the implement 1:20:45.960 --> 1:20:50.240 patient as you say, how many tons of food are 1:20:50.280 --> 1:20:52.240 going to go in per day? Really, how are you 1:20:52.320 --> 1:20:57.320 going to reconstruct the destroyed sanitation systems? I mean really, 1:20:57.439 --> 1:21:01.839 there is an opportunity out for God's propel us Indians 1:21:02.640 --> 1:21:06.839 in the new administration to build, not just rebuild Gaza, 1:21:07.080 --> 1:21:09.800 but build a new society there, and they're going to 1:21:09.840 --> 1:21:11.880 have to do it because it's literally rubble and it's 1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:17.160 literally great loss of life, great disruption. But there's going 1:21:17.240 --> 1:21:19.559 to be a you know, there's going to be an 1:21:19.560 --> 1:21:22.600 international relief effort. I hope we're part of that. We 1:21:22.680 --> 1:21:24.160 don't have to take it over, and that would be 1:21:24.200 --> 1:21:27.799 the number one could contribute a bit. We'll be involved clearly. 1:21:29.120 --> 1:21:32.760 The twenty Point Plan, as I understand it, sees a 1:21:32.880 --> 1:21:36.000 key role for a peace commission chaired by the President 1:21:36.040 --> 1:21:39.679 of the United States. So we're engaged. We're engaged very clearly, 1:21:40.200 --> 1:21:42.800 but it's in the details. Let's get it right, let's 1:21:42.880 --> 1:21:43.280 do it right. 1:21:43.640 --> 1:21:45.439 But the problem is the other part of the problem 1:21:45.479 --> 1:21:48.560 to us, we've seen in Afghanistan and backwards, is that 1:21:49.000 --> 1:21:51.920 we pay attention. Because we're Americans, We've got the attention 1:21:52.040 --> 1:21:55.679 span of a gnat, and we'll pay attention to what's happening. 1:21:55.720 --> 1:21:58.880 Once everything signed and the press opportunities over, we'll move 1:21:58.960 --> 1:22:01.360 on to the next shiney object. Uh, and then things 1:22:01.400 --> 1:22:02.960 will fall apart in the Middle East and we'll wonder 1:22:03.000 --> 1:22:04.320 what happened? Is that a possibility? 1:22:05.960 --> 1:22:12.200 Uh? Yeah, I mean certainly one would in his in 1:22:12.280 --> 1:22:15.960 the Maga world. Is this step of involvement in other 1:22:16.160 --> 1:22:19.559 countries wars that exactly what he promised to avoid. I mean, 1:22:19.840 --> 1:22:24.240 how how will his his loyalists, his most loyal supporters, 1:22:24.600 --> 1:22:28.439 how do they see? Uh, this Nobel Price comes out tomorrow, 1:22:28.800 --> 1:22:31.920 It's gonna be fascinating. Uhly fascinating. 1:22:31.920 --> 1:22:33.160 That's how I want to get it done right now, 1:22:33.160 --> 1:22:36.679 because he wants he wants he wants a Nobel prize. 1:22:37.560 --> 1:22:39.600 My my guess is that that the votes are at 1:22:39.640 --> 1:22:42.680 the end. Uh it would be interesting though, Uh, you know, 1:22:43.080 --> 1:22:46.640 the name should maybe bows around at Jerry Kushner. I mean, 1:22:46.680 --> 1:22:49.240 he's working behind the scenes for a long time. I'm 1:22:49.240 --> 1:22:52.639 not I'm not I'm not nominating him by any means, 1:22:52.720 --> 1:22:55.200 but uh, there are there is a there was a 1:22:55.439 --> 1:22:58.439 there has been a great deal of behind the scenes 1:22:58.520 --> 1:23:02.560 action uh in the Arab world, and it's gonna be 1:23:02.640 --> 1:23:06.840 fascinating to see with the passage of time what we 1:23:07.000 --> 1:23:10.439 learned about that process. History books are going to be fascinating, 1:23:10.520 --> 1:23:11.639 but those period time. 1:23:11.760 --> 1:23:13.920 Yeah, he's doctor Mark Ansilako at the University of Dating 1:23:13.920 --> 1:23:17.040 and Political Science professor there talking about maybe finally peace 1:23:17.160 --> 1:23:20.759 in the least between Israel and Hamas and regime change 1:23:20.800 --> 1:23:24.040 there and stopping the bombing, and it could happen relatively soon. 1:23:25.000 --> 1:23:27.439 The Prime Minister of Israel NET and Yahoo is convening 1:23:27.439 --> 1:23:30.599 the Israeli government today to vote on this to ratify 1:23:30.640 --> 1:23:33.320 the ceasefire agreement. The other side, any, I don't We 1:23:33.320 --> 1:23:35.000 don't want to see a couple of bitter old men here. 1:23:35.080 --> 1:23:37.479 But you know we've seen this movie before, not just 1:23:37.600 --> 1:23:40.000 in our lifetime, into previous lifetimes. And you are a 1:23:40.040 --> 1:23:43.040 student of history, your political science professor, and history is 1:23:43.080 --> 1:23:45.880 the best indicator future behavior. And so if we're a 1:23:45.880 --> 1:23:48.960 little jaded and pessimistic about this, it's for good reason. 1:23:49.280 --> 1:23:51.599 It doesn't mean that this piece won't last. And hell, 1:23:51.680 --> 1:23:54.240 even if the piece lasts for six months, a year, 1:23:54.360 --> 1:23:56.920 two years, ten years, whatever, it is that that's better 1:23:57.000 --> 1:23:59.759 than these two sides blowing each other up, taking hostages, 1:23:59.800 --> 1:24:03.200 kill raping women, holding people hostage, and the other side 1:24:03.240 --> 1:24:04.560 bombing the hell out of civilians. 1:24:07.280 --> 1:24:12.080 Yeah, that's you just laid out of panorama. That's really frightening. 1:24:12.120 --> 1:24:14.920 I mean yeah, I mean it's long term term. One thing. 1:24:15.000 --> 1:24:16.880 You would be always sure of the Middle East that 1:24:16.880 --> 1:24:20.040 there's something will flare up, Yes, but at the same time, 1:24:20.080 --> 1:24:23.360 and I don't want to be too optimistic about things, 1:24:23.439 --> 1:24:27.760 but the strategically the Middle East has changed a great deal. 1:24:27.840 --> 1:24:31.080 I mean because of the violence. I mean, obviously Hamas 1:24:31.120 --> 1:24:35.799 has been close to being destroyed, but you know Bila 1:24:36.360 --> 1:24:39.120 and the attack on Iran, with even the United States 1:24:39.200 --> 1:24:42.120 getting involved attacking the nuclear sites. I mean, so you 1:24:42.240 --> 1:24:45.200 hit this arc of countries that were hostile to Israel. 1:24:45.280 --> 1:24:48.960 There's an Israel sort of you know, took the fight 1:24:49.120 --> 1:24:53.640 to them, and that is weakened these organizations regionally and 1:24:53.760 --> 1:24:57.040 and strategically. Now I'm not simply saying, you know, we're 1:24:57.080 --> 1:24:59.920 a wonderful new world, you know, post War more we're 1:25:00.040 --> 1:25:04.479 to uh uh you know world. But yeah, there's been 1:25:04.680 --> 1:25:09.479 changes in the strategic environment, and maybe that could be 1:25:09.520 --> 1:25:12.040 a basis. I mean, you look at these golf states, 1:25:12.720 --> 1:25:16.439 Goha and all these emirates, all these they're fabulously wealthy. 1:25:16.479 --> 1:25:20.800 They're fabulously wealthy societies. And although there's just an attachment 1:25:20.880 --> 1:25:23.599 of palesiti and cause that I could rather than protrusive. 1:25:23.920 --> 1:25:26.000 I mean, there's a lot of people sort of want 1:25:26.040 --> 1:25:28.160 to get out into their lives and they'd probably rather 1:25:28.280 --> 1:25:31.560 talk to Jared Kushner about real you know, you know, 1:25:32.520 --> 1:25:38.200 Mediterranean seafront real estate. Then you don't want to run 1:25:38.240 --> 1:25:41.840 around in a singing alo roc bar uh and and 1:25:42.320 --> 1:25:45.120 blowing things up, So there could be really environment. I 1:25:45.200 --> 1:25:47.240 always argue that when I wrote my first book about 1:25:48.040 --> 1:25:51.800 violence in the Middle East Fromplex September September eleventh, it 1:25:51.840 --> 1:25:55.920 said looking at a different war, uh, you know against 1:25:56.000 --> 1:25:59.479 Alcada in Afghanistan. I simply said, you know this wills 1:25:59.520 --> 1:26:04.200 will this will end when mothers tell their children suicide 1:26:04.320 --> 1:26:06.479 in the act of blowing someone up is not you know, 1:26:07.160 --> 1:26:09.840 jihad in a way of Allah. You know, when when 1:26:09.960 --> 1:26:13.439 you dead, attitude changes, and one could probably say he 1:26:13.520 --> 1:26:16.320 is really sit inside too. Within the settler movement, the 1:26:16.360 --> 1:26:19.360 extreme sort of Zionist movements that are that have taken 1:26:19.560 --> 1:26:23.519 the vigilante law in their own hand. There's deep problems 1:26:23.560 --> 1:26:28.880 in these societies that speak against a long lasting peace. 1:26:29.320 --> 1:26:32.519 But one can build on what was in front of 1:26:32.600 --> 1:26:34.479 us right now, right now, there's a lot of rebuilding, 1:26:34.520 --> 1:26:40.120 of a lot of destruction, and and make the difficult 1:26:40.479 --> 1:26:43.759 initial steps in these peace press make these count. 1:26:44.160 --> 1:26:45.639 Yeah, I think you kind of hit on it there. 1:26:45.640 --> 1:26:47.920 And the big question then to summarize what you're saying 1:26:47.960 --> 1:26:50.960 on Slaco is this only works if both sides wanted 1:26:51.040 --> 1:26:51.320 to work. 1:26:53.800 --> 1:26:56.400 Yeah. I remember at the ends a chapter in my 1:26:56.479 --> 1:26:58.680 book once where one of the leaders back in the 1:26:58.800 --> 1:27:01.840 day said, we don't want peace. Peace would end all 1:27:01.920 --> 1:27:05.559 our hopes. I mean, if that's the mentality you have, yeah, 1:27:05.560 --> 1:27:10.200 you've got the you've got the permanent roots for for 1:27:11.080 --> 1:27:14.599 for future violence. But right now, clearly in the house 1:27:14.720 --> 1:27:17.679 to the inside is exhausted. I mean, it's really difficult 1:27:17.720 --> 1:27:21.320 to assess this because journalists have they not had access 1:27:21.320 --> 1:27:23.799 to little many have lost their lives in this conflict 1:27:24.960 --> 1:27:28.360 reporting from Gaza. But you know, one beginning to hear 1:27:29.040 --> 1:27:35.160 uh reports or inklings that Pelsis have turned on Hamas, 1:27:35.200 --> 1:27:37.120 and they're saying, you know, yes, there's way these did 1:27:37.160 --> 1:27:40.320 this great distraction to us. But you provoke them, you know, 1:27:40.400 --> 1:27:44.599 you poked the bear, uh. And so you know, Hamas 1:27:45.560 --> 1:27:49.280 Tamas militants will walk around with scars, greens, cigars are 1:27:49.320 --> 1:27:52.080 on the head and and and the goose step. But 1:27:52.200 --> 1:27:55.280 in point of fact, there is a serious, very serious 1:27:55.320 --> 1:27:58.479 defeat for them militarily and politically and and. 1:27:58.560 --> 1:28:01.000 On the only multi phases of the twenty point program. 1:28:01.400 --> 1:28:03.200 We're just in the first couple right now. This is 1:28:03.240 --> 1:28:05.439 only phase one, so we're a long way away from 1:28:05.520 --> 1:28:07.880 lasting peace at this point, even a seaspar because bombs 1:28:07.880 --> 1:28:08.599 are going off this morning. 1:28:08.640 --> 1:28:09.320 As a matter of fact. 1:28:09.360 --> 1:28:13.120 There as we moved to phase two in beyond, it 1:28:13.280 --> 1:28:15.320 was France, I believe, the first loft of the notion 1:28:15.840 --> 1:28:18.560 that Palestinian state whood should be a thing, and some 1:28:18.680 --> 1:28:21.599 other countries signed on to that and absolutely upset those 1:28:21.680 --> 1:28:22.400 of us in the West. 1:28:23.200 --> 1:28:24.000 How dare you do this? 1:28:24.160 --> 1:28:25.760 They come in two years ago and look what they did, 1:28:25.840 --> 1:28:27.439 and now you want to give them statehood and forget 1:28:27.439 --> 1:28:29.800 everything else. But it sounds like part of this plan 1:28:29.920 --> 1:28:32.640 is eventually that that's exactly what's going to happen. I mean, 1:28:32.640 --> 1:28:35.960 if Israel is pulling back to this yellow line, then 1:28:35.960 --> 1:28:39.760 they'll have a final determination where that is. That would 1:28:39.800 --> 1:28:42.120 then mean that some degree at Palestinian state. 1:28:42.240 --> 1:28:47.040 Right. Well, you know, I thought, I thought France and 1:28:47.080 --> 1:28:50.040 Great Britain announcing this a few weeks ago was really 1:28:50.120 --> 1:28:53.120 sort of and forgive me for putting on such plant 1:28:53.240 --> 1:28:57.679 terms sort of you know, media just some media start 1:28:59.000 --> 1:29:01.960 there is no Palestine the estate. I mean when you 1:29:02.040 --> 1:29:04.280 say to me, show me your state. The first thing 1:29:04.320 --> 1:29:07.640 I want to know is where are the boundaries? So 1:29:08.040 --> 1:29:11.400 and then who's your leadership Hamas? I mean it's it's 1:29:11.760 --> 1:29:15.080 nothing was going to come on this nonetheless, you know, 1:29:15.200 --> 1:29:17.800 and so I understand President Trump sort of trying to 1:29:18.160 --> 1:29:20.920 push back in our allies this tag pack you were rewarding. 1:29:20.960 --> 1:29:25.439 You said, exactly, wait, Scott, you're rewarding Hamas by giving 1:29:25.479 --> 1:29:26.240 them this price. 1:29:26.800 --> 1:29:29.320 But no, the fact, the long term fact is there's 1:29:29.360 --> 1:29:30.040 going to happen. 1:29:29.880 --> 1:29:32.600 The two States. So at some point you're going to 1:29:32.840 --> 1:29:36.680 so in the process of building, you know, when you 1:29:37.120 --> 1:29:40.240 when you really have to just make sanitation systems and 1:29:40.360 --> 1:29:43.920 water and deliver food and met you know, just the 1:29:44.439 --> 1:29:48.680 rudiments of running and government really, you know, particularly recovering 1:29:48.800 --> 1:29:52.040 one right, you can build trust, you can see that 1:29:52.160 --> 1:29:55.160 people can work together, and and that would has to 1:29:55.240 --> 1:29:58.320 be to go in building and rebuilding. I think we 1:29:58.479 --> 1:30:00.720 really have to lay the foundations, has to build on 1:30:00.920 --> 1:30:04.639 for a long term, long term priest. But the global community, 1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:08.320 and that means the United States. What President Trump is 1:30:08.360 --> 1:30:11.040 the chairman of this this Peace Commission order, it's called right, 1:30:12.520 --> 1:30:15.479 you said this, right, the global communities have to stay 1:30:15.479 --> 1:30:17.639 engaged in that. Yeah. Yeah, and that means the United 1:30:17.680 --> 1:30:18.320 States too. 1:30:18.880 --> 1:30:19.640 Turn our back on it. 1:30:19.720 --> 1:30:22.360 We turn our back on It's Afghanistan, it's Vietnam, it's 1:30:22.360 --> 1:30:24.560 all those things, and we just, you know, because the 1:30:24.640 --> 1:30:26.920 public we lose interest in and why are we supporting them? 1:30:26.920 --> 1:30:28.280 Why are we doing this? And it's it's going to 1:30:28.320 --> 1:30:29.840 be I think probably more low key than that. 1:30:29.960 --> 1:30:31.519 It's not like we have troops on the ground there, 1:30:32.280 --> 1:30:34.760 but in that regardless of this is something we're gonna 1:30:34.760 --> 1:30:36.200 have to stay on top of for a long time 1:30:36.320 --> 1:30:39.040 if you want it to work. All right, I gotta 1:30:39.080 --> 1:30:41.400 get going, doctor Mark ansiloco ud. I was appreciate the 1:30:41.479 --> 1:30:43.040 time in the in the good stuff. I feel like 1:30:43.080 --> 1:30:45.320 I'm sitting in one of your classes here. Thanks again 1:30:45.360 --> 1:30:46.760 for the time. I appreciate it. 1:30:46.800 --> 1:30:47.479 Thank you so much. 1:30:47.800 --> 1:30:48.400 Have a good one. 1:30:48.840 --> 1:30:51.160 Uh yeah, whether it lasts or not, we're going to 1:30:51.240 --> 1:30:54.960 find out. Although history is certainly not on their side. 1:30:55.560 --> 1:30:58.880 But man, you look at the devastation, the destruction, the 1:30:59.040 --> 1:31:02.439 human casuals, the toll. It's seventy thousand plus people. I 1:31:02.560 --> 1:31:06.040 mean that's a lot of people dying. And now it's 1:31:06.080 --> 1:31:08.800 over and hopefully you can go back to being that 1:31:08.880 --> 1:31:11.240 gentleman farmer. I don't know if a mos is gonna 1:31:11.280 --> 1:31:12.880 lay their arms down. I don't know if that's the thing, 1:31:12.920 --> 1:31:15.439 because there's always gonna be that streak. As soon as 1:31:15.479 --> 1:31:18.160 something goes sideways, they're gonna wind up game in more power. 1:31:18.280 --> 1:31:20.280 It's just the nature of the beast. Anyway, Quick time 1:31:20.320 --> 1:31:22.679 out news on the way slowly on seven hundred WLW. 1:31:24.760 --> 1:31:28.400 The bells. Do you hear the bells? It could only 1:31:28.520 --> 1:31:29.240 mean one thing. 1:31:30.000 --> 1:31:34.439 It's real estate time with Michell Slow Remax, time agent 1:31:34.560 --> 1:31:38.599 and proud proprietor of Sloan sells Homes dot com. Heed 1:31:38.800 --> 1:31:44.440 her words or face her wrath on seven hundred WLW. 1:31:45.360 --> 1:31:47.680 Well, the government shutdown. You don't have many numbers to 1:31:47.760 --> 1:31:51.040 go on, and that'll be dwindling as things progress here. 1:31:51.120 --> 1:31:53.920 But there's just a gut feeling the economy isn't good. 1:31:55.080 --> 1:31:57.280 Not that it's not doing fine, it's just, you know, 1:31:57.439 --> 1:32:01.200 slowly dropping a little bit by a little bit. Unemployment 1:32:01.280 --> 1:32:04.200 remains relatively low, but housing is a big indicator. And 1:32:04.240 --> 1:32:07.760 that's where my wife Michelle comes in and looking at 1:32:07.800 --> 1:32:10.240 some of these numbers. It could be better, right, it 1:32:10.320 --> 1:32:12.400 could be better. The numbers that we have we have 1:32:12.479 --> 1:32:15.240 a lot of new surveys coming out. They're not generated 1:32:15.320 --> 1:32:19.719 by the government necessarily, but a staggering ninety three percent 1:32:19.840 --> 1:32:24.120 of Americans believe housing costs are unreasonable. 1:32:24.960 --> 1:32:28.360 Unreasonable six out of ten. Yeah, people, that's a lot. 1:32:29.000 --> 1:32:32.360 And only three percent of the respondent said that housing 1:32:32.439 --> 1:32:35.960 costs were actually reasonable. Now, if you're looking at your 1:32:36.280 --> 1:32:41.519 at anything, if you're taking a survey, would you actually say, ah, yeah. 1:32:41.479 --> 1:32:45.680 It's pretty good. The things are good. Things are pretty good. 1:32:45.880 --> 1:32:48.639 Although there's another one that I saw as well, maybe 1:32:48.640 --> 1:32:50.639 you saw it too. I don't know who'd authored the study, 1:32:50.800 --> 1:32:53.439 so it's hard to say because you don't know. Could 1:32:53.479 --> 1:32:56.720 be a sample size of four people. But seven out 1:32:56.760 --> 1:33:00.920 of ten Americans young Americans believe that owning a home 1:33:01.360 --> 1:33:02.040 is a pipe dream. 1:33:02.080 --> 1:33:04.920 It will never happen. Yeah, sixty seven percent. I saw 1:33:05.000 --> 1:33:05.519 that as well. 1:33:05.600 --> 1:33:11.640 Sixty seven percent of Americans believe that home ownership is impossible. Impossible. 1:33:11.720 --> 1:33:13.760 Now that's pretty. 1:33:13.720 --> 1:33:15.400 Negative, pretty scary. 1:33:15.640 --> 1:33:19.320 It's pretty scary. I don't think it's impossible. But as 1:33:19.400 --> 1:33:22.800 you can see these two different things, you know, Americans 1:33:22.840 --> 1:33:29.120 are actually they're blaming everyone, and you know, they feel 1:33:29.160 --> 1:33:32.599 like there's the world is against them. And the way 1:33:32.720 --> 1:33:34.839 things are it does make it difficult. 1:33:34.920 --> 1:33:35.680 I'm not going to lie. 1:33:35.800 --> 1:33:38.800 You know, everybody says we should I rent? Should I buy? 1:33:39.520 --> 1:33:40.679 You know what's the best way? 1:33:40.840 --> 1:33:40.960 Now? 1:33:41.080 --> 1:33:43.360 As a real estate agent, I'm you're going to think 1:33:43.400 --> 1:33:45.439 that I'm always going to tell you to buy, but 1:33:45.560 --> 1:33:47.519 I'm not going to tell you to buy if you're 1:33:47.560 --> 1:33:50.000 not ready, and you're going to get yourself in over 1:33:50.120 --> 1:33:53.280 your head, so you don't want to do that. So 1:33:53.560 --> 1:33:57.800 sixty seven percent of Americans believe that home ownership is impossible. 1:33:58.040 --> 1:34:01.280 That's just crazy historic lows. 1:34:02.160 --> 1:34:06.920 And so we're we're trying to figure out how in 1:34:06.960 --> 1:34:11.800 the world can especially younger people, if you're less less 1:34:11.840 --> 1:34:17.240 than thirty half of our age, right and you don't 1:34:17.320 --> 1:34:19.200 have a home yet, how in the world do you 1:34:20.280 --> 1:34:20.599 do well? 1:34:20.680 --> 1:34:24.680 If you're saddled with student debt and you if you're 1:34:24.720 --> 1:34:27.160 someone who has to work a couple of jobs, a 1:34:27.160 --> 1:34:29.920 couple multiple jobs. Health insurance is going to be a 1:34:29.960 --> 1:34:31.559 big issue as well. We're seeing the rates of health 1:34:31.600 --> 1:34:33.880 insurance go up and people getting dropped left and right. 1:34:34.920 --> 1:34:37.240 Don't know what's gonna happen with Affordable Care Act, but 1:34:37.240 --> 1:34:39.120 I'm just talking about private insurance in that regard, that's 1:34:39.160 --> 1:34:43.839 a bad situation. We've seen generation after generation keeps delaying 1:34:43.960 --> 1:34:46.040 having children, if at all, And now we have people going, 1:34:46.120 --> 1:34:48.720 you know, I'll just have a dog. I'm fine, and 1:34:48.840 --> 1:34:51.240 not have a child, or maybe not even that. And 1:34:51.680 --> 1:34:54.320 so home ownership is not on the table for someone 1:34:54.360 --> 1:34:56.559 who can't afford a new car or a car in general, 1:34:56.680 --> 1:35:00.160 and is keeping their nose above water. And that's too 1:35:00.200 --> 1:35:03.160 many Americans, certainly, not all Americans, but it's it's the 1:35:03.240 --> 1:35:06.320 number itself is too big, and I guess that's why. 1:35:06.640 --> 1:35:08.400 And sadly, at a young age. You know, you tend 1:35:08.439 --> 1:35:11.760 to be more optimistic when you're younger, but younger people 1:35:11.800 --> 1:35:14.640 today to be more pessimistic, okay, And that has to 1:35:14.680 --> 1:35:16.519 do with social media, I think, and a lot of 1:35:16.520 --> 1:35:19.599 other factors as well, and some of the thoughts. 1:35:20.040 --> 1:35:23.439 As you know, people will make assumptions just based on 1:35:23.920 --> 1:35:27.720 their little world around themselves. Right, half of Americans are 1:35:27.760 --> 1:35:34.360 actually blaming investors for unreasonable housing costs because the thought 1:35:34.640 --> 1:35:38.840 is that investors are buying up all of the available properties. 1:35:39.479 --> 1:35:44.760 And actually that's not true. And it's hard to you know, 1:35:45.120 --> 1:35:49.719 people believe what they believe, but it's it's not always true. 1:35:49.760 --> 1:35:54.439 It's it's very popular to blame investors, but the housing 1:35:54.600 --> 1:35:59.439 economics is more still that same old adage of supply 1:35:59.760 --> 1:36:03.479 in demand. The driving cost is that we have a 1:36:03.600 --> 1:36:09.400 shortage of actual homes that are available to purchase, and 1:36:10.080 --> 1:36:13.960 investors only accounted for thirteen percent of home purchases in 1:36:14.040 --> 1:36:14.920 twenty twenty four. 1:36:15.240 --> 1:36:17.160 Thirteen percent. That's not very many. 1:36:17.920 --> 1:36:22.160 And most of those home purchases by investors were from 1:36:22.400 --> 1:36:26.680 mom and pop investors. So maybe it is mom and 1:36:26.800 --> 1:36:30.479 dad or grandma and grandpa who are helping the younger 1:36:30.600 --> 1:36:35.240 generation purchase their first home. And that's still considered an 1:36:35.280 --> 1:36:39.440 investment if you're not living in the property. So investors 1:36:40.040 --> 1:36:43.800 definitely own their share of housing stock, there's no question 1:36:43.920 --> 1:36:47.920 about it. But as far as that goes, they don't 1:36:48.000 --> 1:36:52.400 own it all. And investors are not the bad guy. 1:36:52.439 --> 1:36:54.160 You're always looking for a bad guy. 1:36:54.360 --> 1:36:56.360 Well they are when okay, here are these odd of 1:36:56.439 --> 1:36:58.479 state companies come in by a whole bunch of houses 1:36:58.560 --> 1:37:03.439 up and pay fairly well for them. But the problem, 1:37:03.439 --> 1:37:05.120 of course is the maintenance and the upkeep on them. 1:37:05.160 --> 1:37:06.680 And when you're not doing that, when you're not doing 1:37:06.720 --> 1:37:09.599 your due diligence and making sure that the housing's actually 1:37:09.640 --> 1:37:11.840 livable that causes the problem. But right, yeah, the numbers 1:37:11.840 --> 1:37:14.679 are what they are, right, So what one not every five. 1:37:17.040 --> 1:37:22.559 Investors? About thirteen to fifteen percent? Yeah, I thought, yeah, 1:37:22.840 --> 1:37:27.280 and that's where you know, those statistics were from realtor 1:37:27.320 --> 1:37:31.919 dot com, So pretty reliable source beyond investors and material 1:37:32.040 --> 1:37:36.200 costs that are making it difficult and unreasonable as far 1:37:36.280 --> 1:37:41.880 as housing costs are concerned. The third big let's let's 1:37:41.880 --> 1:37:47.200 see who we can blame is politicians. Politicians are being 1:37:47.280 --> 1:37:51.720 blamed for the lack of affordable homes. And you know, 1:37:52.240 --> 1:37:56.960 again it's all about the economy and the how you 1:37:57.240 --> 1:38:01.000 everybody feels about the economy and their own situation. I 1:38:01.160 --> 1:38:03.280 know that it is a lot of doom and gloom 1:38:03.360 --> 1:38:06.920 in that younger generation. They sure are like it's impossible 1:38:07.040 --> 1:38:07.880 to get ahead. 1:38:07.800 --> 1:38:10.280 Social discord Reddit, I mean, all that stuff is pretty 1:38:10.320 --> 1:38:12.559 toxic and negative. If you look at it, and if 1:38:12.600 --> 1:38:14.680 that's a steady data or you get your information, you know, 1:38:14.760 --> 1:38:15.400 the world sucks. 1:38:15.439 --> 1:38:18.759 There's no there's nothing good happening, right and them. 1:38:18.760 --> 1:38:23.160 You consider to be fed that negative energy. I'm going 1:38:23.240 --> 1:38:26.720 to say, and here's the thing, is it harder to 1:38:26.800 --> 1:38:30.320 buy a home than when we bought our first home. Yes, 1:38:30.680 --> 1:38:34.200 I believe it is because sure, but at the same time, 1:38:34.720 --> 1:38:36.960 there are a lot of things that young people can 1:38:37.040 --> 1:38:39.960 do to if that's something that they want to do. 1:38:40.080 --> 1:38:43.000 If you want to buy a home, you need to 1:38:43.040 --> 1:38:45.559 do some planning and you need to do some saving. 1:38:46.120 --> 1:38:48.360 And if you want to rent the rest of your 1:38:48.400 --> 1:38:51.800 life and you don't want the responsibility of buying a home, 1:38:52.320 --> 1:38:56.320 that's something you can absolutely do. But you will never 1:38:56.520 --> 1:39:01.040 build wealth, right, or at least it will be more difficult, 1:39:01.120 --> 1:39:02.000 let's put it that way. 1:39:03.240 --> 1:39:05.120 I mean, you can, but plenty of people do that 1:39:05.200 --> 1:39:05.559 in rent. 1:39:06.680 --> 1:39:06.880 Yeah. 1:39:07.080 --> 1:39:08.680 One of the things you hear, and I hear this 1:39:08.760 --> 1:39:10.439 from older people too, is well why don't you just 1:39:10.920 --> 1:39:12.960 they just need to work harder, They just need to save, 1:39:13.040 --> 1:39:15.960 they need to like, well, you know that that because 1:39:16.000 --> 1:39:17.640 when I was your age, I well, when I was 1:39:17.720 --> 1:39:19.479 your age, it was like, you know, you could have 1:39:19.600 --> 1:39:21.519 a job. And I pointed this out the other day. 1:39:21.560 --> 1:39:24.080 With college, you know, and we subsidized college. And as 1:39:24.080 --> 1:39:27.080 an example, like generations ago, Will he talks about this 1:39:28.200 --> 1:39:30.559 like he went to college paid for it himself. There 1:39:30.640 --> 1:39:33.519 was no scholarships or anything like that. Owned a house, 1:39:33.720 --> 1:39:37.000 had a job, had a family, traveled, you know, did 1:39:37.040 --> 1:39:39.839 all this stuff and did it on a part time salary. 1:39:39.920 --> 1:39:44.439 Basically, that's laughable by today's standards. No one can do that. No, 1:39:44.760 --> 1:39:45.760 not not, I don't. 1:39:45.880 --> 1:39:47.920 We would go to college, work part time and have 1:39:48.040 --> 1:39:49.360 a house. How is that possible? 1:39:49.479 --> 1:39:52.479 Yeah, that's it's extremely difficult because actually, and you talked 1:39:52.479 --> 1:39:55.920 about it, most cars, the payment on a car, and 1:39:56.000 --> 1:39:59.080 it's like a mortgage, is like a mortgage. And so 1:39:59.360 --> 1:40:04.639 the average cost of a home in Cincinnati is between 1:40:05.160 --> 1:40:09.680 right around three hundred thousand dollars, And it used to 1:40:09.760 --> 1:40:12.479 be you could buy your first starter home at one 1:40:12.560 --> 1:40:16.479 hundred thousand dollars or less, right and you know, you're 1:40:16.520 --> 1:40:18.840 not seeing that anymore now. Of course, it's just the 1:40:18.920 --> 1:40:22.040 cost of living is so much different now than it was. 1:40:22.920 --> 1:40:25.880 But if you look at what people are being paid, 1:40:26.160 --> 1:40:32.680 it's not always it doesn't happen for decades. Now, Well, 1:40:33.280 --> 1:40:33.920 what's happened. 1:40:33.920 --> 1:40:37.120 There's been a disconnect between wages and the GDP like 1:40:37.240 --> 1:40:40.439 it used to prior to nineteen eighty right about there. 1:40:40.600 --> 1:40:42.760 It used to say, you know, once GDP went up, 1:40:42.760 --> 1:40:45.200 when your company's making more money, employees make more money. 1:40:45.200 --> 1:40:47.519 And it lists all boats and we kind of went 1:40:47.560 --> 1:40:49.519 in the other direction there, and now this is decades 1:40:49.600 --> 1:40:51.280 of that. So if you don't have enough money to 1:40:51.320 --> 1:40:53.960 buy what you're making it work or service, you're giving 1:40:54.000 --> 1:40:56.839 it work. Then that's what's going to happen in the economy. 1:40:56.920 --> 1:40:58.559 Most of it's a consumer economy here. I mean, we're 1:40:58.560 --> 1:41:01.679 still doing fairly well by world standards, but for younger 1:41:01.760 --> 1:41:03.040 people they feel left out. 1:41:03.040 --> 1:41:04.640 And it's a whole bunch of reasons why it is. 1:41:04.800 --> 1:41:05.760 But you here's the thing. 1:41:06.040 --> 1:41:09.439 If you want to buy a home, you can, and 1:41:09.560 --> 1:41:12.439 so it's going to take the planning of saving because 1:41:12.479 --> 1:41:14.599 you need a down payment, right, It's going to take 1:41:14.920 --> 1:41:17.320 making sure that your credit is not in the. 1:41:17.600 --> 1:41:22.840 Crapper, right, you know, talk to someone another failure of 1:41:22.920 --> 1:41:23.880 the education system. 1:41:24.080 --> 1:41:28.400 Well, and credit people look at the credit and we 1:41:28.600 --> 1:41:32.720 know people very close to us who have maxed out 1:41:32.760 --> 1:41:35.759 all those credit cards and then only make the minimum payment. 1:41:35.880 --> 1:41:37.479 You'll never ever ever. 1:41:37.439 --> 1:41:40.080 Catch up, and then complain about not getting head. It's like, well, 1:41:40.160 --> 1:41:43.439 you went on vacation, you couldn't afford you know, you're 1:41:43.479 --> 1:41:45.519 getting whatever you're spending your money on. 1:41:45.800 --> 1:41:48.240 Lifestyle is so it's like, well, I want to. We 1:41:48.320 --> 1:41:50.040 want to live for now, and you know, you never know. 1:41:50.120 --> 1:41:50.519 It's try it. 1:41:50.520 --> 1:41:52.519 Tomorrow's not promise, but then it's a priority. It's like, 1:41:52.520 --> 1:41:54.360 if you want to live for now, then you're never 1:41:54.400 --> 1:41:55.800 going to be able to save enough to buy house. 1:41:56.080 --> 1:41:58.760 So I think for many, many years we didn't have 1:41:58.920 --> 1:42:01.720 any fun. We did not have any fun. We still 1:42:01.760 --> 1:42:04.479 don't have that much fun. Well, I think we have 1:42:04.720 --> 1:42:08.600 some fun and it's fun. Yeah, but I get it. 1:42:08.600 --> 1:42:10.080 I mean, there's people there's something to be said about 1:42:10.120 --> 1:42:11.640 living in the moment. We try to do that, but 1:42:12.400 --> 1:42:13.720 when you're coming up, it's awfully hard. 1:42:14.360 --> 1:42:17.640 It absolutely is. So you know, you can rent and 1:42:17.800 --> 1:42:21.880 you can find ways. It may just it may be different. 1:42:22.160 --> 1:42:26.040 The way things are done today is different than the 1:42:26.160 --> 1:42:28.640 way we did it, as it will be tomorrow and 1:42:28.760 --> 1:42:31.120 it will and that's just part of life and you 1:42:31.240 --> 1:42:33.960 have to figure it out. So if you want to 1:42:34.120 --> 1:42:36.839 buy a home, you're going to have to start planning 1:42:36.880 --> 1:42:39.599 and it could take a year, it could take two years. 1:42:40.000 --> 1:42:40.599 Here's one thing. 1:42:40.840 --> 1:42:44.160 The statistic is just in the last seven days in Cincinnati, 1:42:44.880 --> 1:42:47.599 over five hundred homes had a price reduction. 1:42:48.640 --> 1:42:50.080 Okay, what does that tell you? 1:42:50.479 --> 1:42:54.360 What it tells me is there are opportunities out there 1:42:54.560 --> 1:42:59.240 because homes are sitting on the market longer and sellers 1:42:59.280 --> 1:43:01.679 are starting to get a little nervous. We're going into 1:43:01.720 --> 1:43:05.720 those colder months. And if your home is sitting on 1:43:05.840 --> 1:43:10.120 the market, you have two choices. You can number one, 1:43:10.360 --> 1:43:13.920 lower the price. Number two, you can just sit on it. 1:43:14.520 --> 1:43:17.720 And the longer that it sits, the longer that it 1:43:17.800 --> 1:43:22.559 will sit. You know, if you do nothing, likely nothing 1:43:22.720 --> 1:43:26.160 is going to happen. You can do updates and relist 1:43:26.320 --> 1:43:31.200 the property and try to, you know, improve the property. 1:43:31.680 --> 1:43:35.880 But it's always about condition, location, and price. A home 1:43:35.960 --> 1:43:38.680 will sell. We know that from twenty years ago when 1:43:38.720 --> 1:43:41.680 we had the Great Recession, when homes were on the 1:43:41.760 --> 1:43:46.080 market for a year or more, they eventually sold. Now 1:43:46.439 --> 1:43:48.920 did they get the prices that the sellers wanted? 1:43:49.320 --> 1:43:52.400 Not always. It's no, you don't get to set. The 1:43:52.680 --> 1:43:54.720 market sets the rate for so. 1:43:55.560 --> 1:43:59.280 A home is you can price it as high as 1:43:59.720 --> 1:44:03.559 your neighbors sold two years ago. But two years ago 1:44:03.680 --> 1:44:05.559 we were kind of at the height of the market. 1:44:06.160 --> 1:44:07.439 We aren't there anymore. 1:44:07.640 --> 1:44:09.920 So we are you saying houses are decreasing in value? 1:44:10.000 --> 1:44:12.360 Is that what you just said? I am saying. 1:44:13.760 --> 1:44:17.759 We are definitely seeing a more stable type of a situation. 1:44:18.200 --> 1:44:20.880 So by now this is a money loser, is what now? 1:44:21.000 --> 1:44:24.120 I cannot say that. I did not say that. No, 1:44:24.680 --> 1:44:25.200 here's the thing. 1:44:25.320 --> 1:44:28.600 You're not going to be You're as not reasonable to 1:44:28.680 --> 1:44:32.200 think you're gonna make ten percent on your home every year, 1:44:32.400 --> 1:44:33.200 year after year. 1:44:33.360 --> 1:44:35.000 You don't do that. The markets you're not gonna tell. 1:44:34.920 --> 1:44:37.599 You you're not going to So right now we're more stable. 1:44:37.680 --> 1:44:41.040 You may only see a one percent increase. You may 1:44:41.120 --> 1:44:45.400 not see the giant, ginormous increase in your in the 1:44:45.520 --> 1:44:46.040 value of. 1:44:46.080 --> 1:44:46.800 Your home, all right. 1:44:46.840 --> 1:44:49.599 Bottom line, bottom line is if you want to buy 1:44:49.640 --> 1:44:52.680 a home, you can don't believe all the hype in 1:44:52.760 --> 1:44:58.960 it and all of the headlines, because yeah, headlines are 1:44:59.040 --> 1:45:01.880 just headlines. They're the to scare you, right, and don't 1:45:01.920 --> 1:45:02.400 be scared. 1:45:02.520 --> 1:45:04.519 Clickbait, that's right, Watch out for a clickbait. 1:45:04.680 --> 1:45:05.000 That's right. 1:45:05.120 --> 1:45:06.519 You want to know that you spend a lot of 1:45:06.600 --> 1:45:08.880 time in the evening hours when you're not working. You 1:45:08.920 --> 1:45:11.759 work awfully hard, but at home you're clickbait, and everything 1:45:12.200 --> 1:45:16.400 I do tend to look at the headline and then oh, 1:45:16.520 --> 1:45:17.280 never mind. 1:45:17.160 --> 1:45:17.519 Not true. 1:45:19.680 --> 1:45:22.320 Travis Kelsey's coming to the Bengals. No, he's not, Michelle. 1:45:22.720 --> 1:45:25.320 He said he's coming to Cincinnati. It's coming for the game. 1:45:25.920 --> 1:45:27.760 That's not what this says. Oh yeah it does. 1:45:28.160 --> 1:45:30.559 Oh yeah, it does swipe. So you have to read 1:45:30.640 --> 1:45:32.439 the fine print in the fine print. 1:45:32.439 --> 1:45:36.160 And if you have a question, call me Michelle Sloan's 1:45:36.240 --> 1:45:37.280 loans hell swomes dot com. 1:45:38.439 --> 1:45:40.080 Do you like that, Yeah, it's really good. Just talk 1:45:40.160 --> 1:45:43.680 to her. Yeah, just call her to say hot, you 1:45:43.760 --> 1:45:45.840 can't yet a little bit, Yeah she does. She's chatty. 1:45:46.080 --> 1:45:48.960 She's chatty that way. My wife Michelle actually talked all 1:45:48.960 --> 1:45:50.080 about real estate today. Nothing. 1:45:50.240 --> 1:45:50.360 Uh. 1:45:51.000 --> 1:45:52.920 And then you're still driving me around for another week. 1:45:53.000 --> 1:45:57.000 So yeah, I'm still driving mister Daisy. It's it's getting 1:45:57.080 --> 1:45:58.840 he's kind of getting old. I'll be honest with you. 1:45:59.000 --> 1:46:00.439 Yeah, because you got to get up. You're used to 1:46:00.439 --> 1:46:00.840 sleeping in. 1:46:02.560 --> 1:46:05.840 It's a kindergarten situation. Remember when the kids were in 1:46:05.960 --> 1:46:09.720 kindergarten and they were only in school for a short time, 1:46:09.760 --> 1:46:11.800 and then it's like you just get started on a 1:46:11.840 --> 1:46:13.320 broad turn back, turn. 1:46:13.160 --> 1:46:15.600 Around and go pick them up again. It is like kindergarten. 1:46:15.760 --> 1:46:17.320 It's like for you, it's kindergarten. 1:46:17.360 --> 1:46:19.040 I have to get up earlier than I liked to, 1:46:19.680 --> 1:46:21.120 and then I have to turn around and get you 1:46:21.280 --> 1:46:24.080 up and get you pick you up around noon. 1:46:24.200 --> 1:46:26.400 And funny part the first day she did that here, 1:46:26.880 --> 1:46:28.960 she actually took a sign instead of where I was 1:46:28.960 --> 1:46:32.960 supposed to go and pinned it to my shirt. All right, 1:46:33.000 --> 1:46:35.360 my wife Michelle Sloan Slow Sloan sells homes dot com 1:46:35.400 --> 1:46:38.040 Open house show that's on the iHeartRadio app where you 1:46:38.040 --> 1:46:41.439 get your podcast also YouTube as well. In Mainville, Remax time, 1:46:41.520 --> 1:46:44.080 gotta go, love you, thanks again, and uh, all right, 1:46:44.160 --> 1:46:45.680 you go warm the car up for a couple mon 1:46:45.680 --> 1:46:47.040 it's kind of cool out this money. You go warm 1:46:47.120 --> 1:46:50.400 the car up, go downstairs, pull it around. 1:46:50.439 --> 1:46:51.200 I'll warm it up. 1:46:51.880 --> 1:46:52.240 Warm her. 1:46:52.560 --> 1:46:53.000 I'll tell you what. 1:46:53.160 --> 1:46:56.840 Maybe I'm gonna milk you like this. I'm gonna milk 1:46:56.920 --> 1:46:59.479 this leg thing for a long time. Curb service. 1:46:59.560 --> 1:47:01.599 This is not nice. This is nice anyway. 1:47:01.920 --> 1:47:03.519 Willie's either the way coming up in twelve o six 1:47:03.640 --> 1:47:06.599 today and news in about four or five minutes here 1:47:06.760 --> 1:47:09.120 on the Home of the Best Bengals coverage got Green 1:47:09.200 --> 1:47:12.000 Bay this weekend with Joe Flacco at the Helm. We'll 1:47:12.000 --> 1:47:13.680 find out how it goes at four twenty with Dan 1:47:13.760 --> 1:47:15.880 and lap on seven hundred WW Cincinnati