Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American idiot?
Speaker 2: There we go slowly back on seven hundred WLW with
Speaker 2: a day, with a day, with a day, always be
Speaker 2: scared when a politician goes it's about the children.
Speaker 3: It's about the children.
Speaker 2: Remember, And it happens all the time when people when
Speaker 2: progressives talk about doing things and protecting and saving the children,
Speaker 2: and a tongue in cheek, conservatives laugh at them and go,
Speaker 2: my god, they're exploiting the kids. What happens when it's
Speaker 2: the other way. I wonder if democrats and progressives are
Speaker 2: chuckling when Republicans do it and conservatives do it, because
Speaker 2: that's what's happening now.
Speaker 3: It's about the children. Got to save the childre.
Speaker 2: Governor Mike Dwine and his jihad against anything pleasurable like
Speaker 2: Hemp or Potts on full display this morning, as the
Speaker 2: governor has issued a ninety day ban on THC infused
Speaker 2: gummies and beverages sold outside of licensed marijuana dispensaries. So
Speaker 2: if you're a retailer, you got to pull all these products,
Speaker 2: cease all sales, all the displays after there can be
Speaker 2: no sight of anything CBD related after October fourteenth. Got
Speaker 2: to be gone by October fourteenth, midnight twelve o one
Speaker 2: am October fourteenth. Otherwise, well, you're gonna get You're gonna
Speaker 2: get a good talking to, is what's going to happen there.
Speaker 2: So what does it mean for small businesses in Ohio?
Speaker 2: What does that mean for you as an adult and
Speaker 2: choosing what goes into your body. You're still going to
Speaker 2: be able to get CBD seltzer at a bar, which
Speaker 2: is extremely popular. A lot of questions. I don't know
Speaker 2: how many answers they have, but maybe got caught up.
Speaker 2: And this is Jason Friedman. Jason runs Ohio CBD Guys
Speaker 2: stores in the East Walnut Hills and Montgomery and Jose
Speaker 2: the show. Now, Jason, how are you man?
Speaker 4: Doing great?
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Scott, Well, I appreciate you losing money and doing your part,
Speaker 2: and maybe your business goes away to save the children.
Speaker 2: It's the least you could do if you cared about children.
Speaker 2: Damn it, Jason, you wouldn't sell these products to adults.
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, it's been quite quite a forty eight hours.
Speaker 5: Scott feeling frustrated but actually cautiously optimistic. Here, okay, this
Speaker 5: is the first step in cannabis reform here locally to
Speaker 5: legalize this stuff, I believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll start with this, okay. And I understand
Speaker 2: I'm kind of tongue in cheek about this because it's
Speaker 2: concerning if if you know, they do an undercover operation
Speaker 2: and a nefarious retail or could be like it's a
Speaker 2: carryout or something like that, and they go in and
Speaker 2: they buy a product that that feels like, tastes like,
Speaker 2: and has the same effects as marijuana, which is controlled
Speaker 2: in Ohio. That that's a problem. That means, you know,
Speaker 2: there can sell it to people underage, which is not
Speaker 2: a good thing at all. And some of these products
Speaker 2: mimic candy packaging. The one that the wine was holding
Speaker 2: up with Sour Patch Kids looks just like Sour Patch Kids,
Speaker 2: you know, stuff like that, like packaging, and you know,
Speaker 2: and the fact that somebody to carry out would sell
Speaker 2: this to a teenager or a twelve year old that
Speaker 2: bothers me. That should not be happening. But it doesn't
Speaker 2: mean you should ban it, but we need to control that, agreed.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 5: And while I the governor's focus on regulating these intoxicating
Speaker 5: hempprockets products and keeping them away from and not marketed
Speaker 5: to children, which we are aligned on. I disagree with
Speaker 5: the methodology to which he's using to achieve his goal,
Speaker 5: which is disastrous to small businesses like mine.
Speaker 2: It really doesn't make a lot of sense because they
Speaker 2: had a chance, and he's been pushing the legislature to
Speaker 2: do something. Legislatures and done anything, and so now the
Speaker 2: edict as well, we're going to ban it for everybody.
Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense. If the legislature can't legislate,
Speaker 2: that's on those who we send a columbus to do
Speaker 2: our bidding for us.
Speaker 3: That's something you all got to figure out.
Speaker 2: But issuing a ninety day ban and all this stuff,
Speaker 2: which is largely almost all exclusively consumed by adults, is nonsensical.
Speaker 5: Correct, And my understanding is that he took this action
Speaker 5: to motivate the legislators to pass this. But I asked,
Speaker 5: is there another way that we could have gone about
Speaker 5: doing this other than a way that's going to damage
Speaker 5: small businesses? Called can cause lots of confusion. There's still
Speaker 5: clarification that's needed on what the definition of intoxicating temp
Speaker 5: means in this order? Are we talking about anything with THHC,
Speaker 5: including CBD tinctures that might have a little bit not
Speaker 5: going to get you high, but it's got THC in it,
Speaker 5: or are we talking about a specific milligram dosage. There's
Speaker 5: still a lot of things that need to be cleared
Speaker 5: up before October fourteenth, Scott.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's that's a short time.
Speaker 2: But the problem is is that retail is like yourself, right,
Speaker 2: And what happened to conservatives being about the small business
Speaker 2: guy in business and let business do what they do.
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot of people like yourself have
Speaker 2: tons of stuff. You have storefronts, but we have manufacturers
Speaker 2: and retailers that make their living and make money off
Speaker 2: of this product. And all of a sudden, now when
Speaker 2: the blanket of by the governor of Waves's magic wand
Speaker 2: and says now it's going to be illegal at midnight.
Speaker 2: That doesn't look like democracy. That doesn't look like small
Speaker 2: governed government conservatism to me, especially because it's politically motivated.
Speaker 5: I agree one hundred percent. And I also think the
Speaker 5: government needs to understand that while there are bad actors
Speaker 5: out there in these gas stations and smoke shops, there
Speaker 5: are a lot large number of responsible business owners like
Speaker 5: myself that check IDs. Don't sell products that have any
Speaker 5: kid focused marketing. Only sell products that are third party
Speaker 5: lab tested and have those tests available to the customer
Speaker 5: via QR code on the packaging. We've been operating responsibly
Speaker 5: and legally since twenty eighteen, but to threaten our livelihood
Speaker 5: by implementing.
Speaker 4: This order is just flat out wrong.
Speaker 5: The legislators need to get working and passed the regulation
Speaker 5: that doesn't lead to people losing their jobs.
Speaker 3: And that's what this says. This is a squeeze on
Speaker 3: small business.
Speaker 2: And I'll get into that a little bit more in
Speaker 2: the show again in case you're just hearing this for
Speaker 2: the first time. It's been a big news story for
Speaker 2: the last twelve few hours away with the governor has
Speaker 2: issued an edict ninety day ban on THCHU infused gummies,
Speaker 2: beverages and products sold out of licensed marijuana dispensaries. And
Speaker 2: of course you drive all over the place, you see
Speaker 2: places like where you are, Jason, you own Ohio CBD
Speaker 2: Guy with your two locations. But there's countless mom and
Speaker 2: pop businesses like this and also many many more that
Speaker 2: manufacturers supply not just this, but also so THCCBD infused
Speaker 2: drinks like beers, and in particularly selterzers. My wife's a
Speaker 2: big fan of the seltzer.
Speaker 6: She goes.
Speaker 2: You know, it's pretty good, just hits different. It's a
Speaker 2: different kind of feeling when you drink a couple of these.
Speaker 2: We're talking about a huge by the way, and this
Speaker 2: is not in your sector. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: sell them these products. But fifty West, for example, they're
Speaker 2: a huge seller of THHD infused drinks right here, and
Speaker 2: it's the Cincinnati company and they saw a huge decline
Speaker 2: in the number. And maybe we're past craft beer right now.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but the beer sales are going down.
Speaker 2: Sales of this are offsetting that. If this goes away
Speaker 2: in ninety days, that's going to be catastrophic for a
Speaker 2: lot of these small breweries, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Well, you literally took the words out of the mouth.
Speaker 5: I was just about to say that alcohol sales are
Speaker 5: at their lowest point since nineteen thirty nine. People want
Speaker 5: to go out, they want to get a buzz, they
Speaker 5: don't want to feel like crap the next day. So
Speaker 5: that's one of the reasons you're seeing these THHC seltzers growing.
Speaker 5: We absolutely sell the sunflower product by fifty West in
Speaker 5: our store as well as the st another local THC. Seltzer.
Speaker 5: It's probably the fastest part of our business. And a
Speaker 5: question was asked during the press conference yesterday, is that
Speaker 5: what about bottle shops, liquor stores, bars that people can't
Speaker 5: go in unless they're twenty one? Ye, legally do they
Speaker 5: have to stop selling these products too? So again, there's
Speaker 5: a lot that needs to be cleared up before this
Speaker 5: band takes effect on October fourteen.
Speaker 2: Do you see like a lawsuit and an injunction coming
Speaker 2: down to courts can hold us up?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I think there are questions as to the legality
Speaker 5: of this emergency order, and I know of multiple efforts
Speaker 5: potentially emerging to fight it in courts starting today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe for those listening going listen, I don't
Speaker 2: drink CBD TA, I don't know what that is. TA,
Speaker 2: I don't know Delta eight and Delta ten and Delta nine,
Speaker 2: I don't know what all that stuff means. And all
Speaker 2: I know is it can kill children. Let's start with
Speaker 2: that one, because it's about the children, right. The wine
Speaker 2: set in toxicity happens dangerous and we need to do
Speaker 2: better to protect our children and there's no question that
Speaker 2: children are getting a hold of the stuff, largely because
Speaker 2: an adult buys it and it's a bag of you know,
Speaker 2: things that look like sour patch kids or nerds, and
Speaker 2: they take one and now they're high. But we saw
Speaker 2: increase eight hundred kids twelve and younger, according to the State,
Speaker 2: were exposed to cannab exposed to cannabis in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that was you know, Poison Control Center's
Speaker 2: always fifty percent increase from the year prior. But what
Speaker 2: does that mean? How many kids have died? How many
Speaker 2: kids have been damage beyond repair, become wards of the state.
Speaker 3: Whatever it might be.
Speaker 2: Taking too much THC or taking too much CBD or
Speaker 2: cannabis or cannabinoid or adulta eight delta ten, What does
Speaker 2: that do to one?
Speaker 3: Do you die from that?
Speaker 5: So it as far as THHC goes, there's a reason
Speaker 5: why you have to be twenty one to take it
Speaker 5: in a dispensary in my store. It's just not good
Speaker 5: kids or their brains are still developing. It's not a
Speaker 5: good thing for them. Can it cause depth? I think
Speaker 5: you'll see the varying studies out there that show mostly
Speaker 5: that it's not harmful. Now, if you take too much
Speaker 5: a THC, whether you're an adult or a child, yes,
Speaker 5: you can absolutely have adverse reactions triggered by the THC.
Speaker 5: But again, this is why you need to be a
Speaker 5: responsible adult. And as far as the kids getting their
Speaker 5: hands on it, look, I don't think there's outside of
Speaker 5: isolated incidents that a gas a five year old or
Speaker 5: a ten year old is going to walk into a
Speaker 5: gas station and someone's going to sell them these products.
Speaker 5: I think what's happening is, unfortunately, if irresponsible parents are
Speaker 5: letting their kids get a hold of these products. So again,
Speaker 5: why are responsible businesses like mine being penalized for bad
Speaker 5: actors in gas stations, smoke shops, babe shops, but irresponsible parents.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine the outrage the same group of people
Speaker 2: were talking about if someone said, hey, you know, too
Speaker 2: many kids are getting shot in Cincinnati. There are too
Speaker 2: many accidental gun discharges, so you have to have a
Speaker 2: trigger lock. People aren't doing that. We've got guns and cars.
Speaker 2: Young people are getting hold of gun shooting each other.
Speaker 2: We have to ban weapons. Could you imagine the outrage
Speaker 2: from the same conservatives. It's don't see the hypocrisy with
Speaker 2: the same argument.
Speaker 5: There is a way to achieve this responsibly, Scott, and
Speaker 5: this is not the way to go about doing it.
Speaker 5: And I'm hopeful that this there will be a resolution
Speaker 5: before the fourteenth, and certainly before the ninety day ban
Speaker 5: is over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we'll see. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe this is a way for de Wind to scare
Speaker 2: the legislature into getting something done, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: They've dragged their feet this long. And you know we've
Speaker 2: seen this act before. Jason Friedman, by the way, Ohio,
Speaker 2: CBD guy in the show with the Wines, ninety day
Speaker 2: THHD and fused gummy beverage CBD ban on all this stuff.
Speaker 2: And you know you can't get a celtz anymore or
Speaker 2: vape simply because well now we're going to ban it
Speaker 2: because a kid make it a hold of it.
Speaker 3: And I you know, I don't want to make light.
Speaker 2: Let me circle back and say, you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: saying we shouldn't prevent kids from getting stuff because it's
Speaker 2: not fatal. No one wants to see a kid either
Speaker 2: voluntarily involuntary in just something they think is candy or
Speaker 2: vapor or drink or something. No We don't do that,
Speaker 2: but we do have dangerous stuff around. As my point,
Speaker 2: we have I mentioned guns, but we also have alcohol
Speaker 2: in the host of other things adults engage in that
Speaker 2: kids aren't supposed to. We have reasonable regulations that prevent
Speaker 2: that from happening. We just need that here. This seems
Speaker 2: totally irrationalist to ban it. We need to ban it
Speaker 2: so we can regulate it. It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: It's like we need to pass the bills so we
Speaker 2: can see what's in it. It's the same argument that
Speaker 2: they made fun of and made a lot of political
Speaker 2: hay out of they're now doing themselves. If that's the
Speaker 2: hypocrisy of politics in ninety days, what do you see happening?
Speaker 5: Well, again, I hope this is sorted out well before
Speaker 5: the ninety days, but I, like you said, I do
Speaker 5: believe that the governor is trying to push the legislators
Speaker 5: to get something done. Really, I would point to what
Speaker 5: happened in Texas recently if you've been following that at all.
Speaker 5: In last month, the Lieutenant governor there proposed legis that
Speaker 5: would ban all him. The governor vetoed the build multiple times,
Speaker 5: and then key implemented an emergency order to regulate him,
Speaker 5: so did the exact opposite. You can use your power
Speaker 5: in different ways. I just wish the governor would use
Speaker 5: it to actually affect positive change as far as opposed
Speaker 5: to damaging.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean, quite honestly, this is because of
Speaker 2: the ineptitude of the legislature. We've seen this before with marijuanas.
Speaker 2: They dragged their feet, dragged their feet, dragged their feet,
Speaker 2: and finally the people had enough of it. It went
Speaker 2: to the ballot in uh, you know, citizen initiative. They
Speaker 2: screamed that was outside money. Trying to tell all those
Speaker 2: you had a chance to do. You saw the tea leags,
Speaker 2: You saw the the demand for recreational weed mari medical
Speaker 2: weed to begin with, and then recreational You saw that
Speaker 2: and still chose to choose to do nothing about it.
Speaker 2: And then when there's a grassroots effort you try to
Speaker 2: stop it and subvert it. That I think for those
Speaker 2: of us who enjoy THC and CBD products as I do,
Speaker 2: as you make a living off of, Jason Freedman, I
Speaker 2: found that egregious.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And I think the other thing to consider you mentioned
Speaker 5: politically driven is that I think that there were certain
Speaker 5: contingencies that were not happy that marijuana passed here in
Speaker 5: Ohio and wanted to make some changes to those laws
Speaker 5: and tried to use that to negotiate regarding the hemp.
Speaker 5: And they're so they're kind of lumped together as far
Speaker 5: as the negotiations between the House and the Senate goes,
Speaker 5: and they can't agree on it. And guess who's suffering?
Speaker 2: We are, Yeah, the consumers, but especially small business people
Speaker 2: like yourself. So after ninety days, lawmakers have to take
Speaker 2: action and regulate the intoxicating hemp products. Most people agree
Speaker 2: that if we have intoxicating products available to children, then
Speaker 2: we should just simply step up and address that issue
Speaker 2: without having to shut everything down. And he Key did
Speaker 2: this back I think well over a year ago. Is
Speaker 2: he wanted to close these loopholes and they wouldn't listen
Speaker 2: to him. And now he's going to simply take it
Speaker 2: away from everybody, take the ball away because the kids
Speaker 2: can't get along and now no one can play, which is,
Speaker 2: you know, paternalism at best. And I you know part
Speaker 2: of this, and I mentioned I said in asterisk in
Speaker 2: the air quotes there I said, the governor has issued
Speaker 2: this ninety day ban on THHD infused gummies and beverages
Speaker 2: that are sold outside licensed to marijuana dispensaries. Is this
Speaker 2: just another money grab by the legislature and that like whoa, whoa, wha,
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, way, we look at the tax that
Speaker 2: we pay on medical marijuana, the fact that people that
Speaker 2: are medical marijuana, the only ones that are getting the
Speaker 2: medical card now are ones that have a stigma about
Speaker 2: using it recreationally. We see the exorbitant prices we pay
Speaker 2: in Ohio compared to surrounding states like Michigan, where it's
Speaker 2: a fraction of what you'd pay for recreational products. And
Speaker 2: now do they want to do the same thing with THHD.
Speaker 2: It's simply they're not getting they if they can control it,
Speaker 2: and you know, certainly in regulations different than control if
Speaker 2: they can control it, because you can still buy it,
Speaker 2: but it's got to be a licensed to marijuana dispensary.
Speaker 2: That means it's subject to that that that sweet tax
Speaker 2: that they want. Is this all about them getting the
Speaker 2: getting their hands and getting a bigger share of what
Speaker 2: it is you sell.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think it's any secret Scott that big
Speaker 5: marijuana is out there. They are lobbying to destroy the
Speaker 5: hemp industry period. They don't want us to be competition
Speaker 5: for them, And so again I would point to Texas
Speaker 5: and say, look, there's an opportunity for all of us
Speaker 5: in this free market to be able to one give
Speaker 5: an opportunity for these these consumers and sometimes patients that
Speaker 5: need these products for their daily life. We will pay
Speaker 5: a vendor fee, Scott, we will pay uh, we will
Speaker 5: pay additional taxes, even though I don't want that for
Speaker 5: my consumers. But if it means staying in business, there's
Speaker 5: plenty to go around. So yeah, I do. I do
Speaker 5: believe that it's part of it. Maybe it's part of
Speaker 5: the reason why we haven't gotten the regulation we need yet,
Speaker 5: But that's what I said. I'm cautiously optimistic that this
Speaker 5: will at least trigger change. But what you know, unfortunately,
Speaker 5: the people that need these products for their daily life,
Speaker 5: they're the ones that are suffering, obviously in addition to
Speaker 5: the small businesses, because now they're not going to be
Speaker 5: able to get their products for ninety days. They're going
Speaker 5: to be forced to go to a marijuana dispensary. Which
Speaker 5: marijuana dispensaries are good things, but let's face it, it costs
Speaker 5: a lot more. You're waiting in longer lines, the higher taxes, yep,
Speaker 5: maybe less selection of products. You can't get the drinks.
Speaker 5: So anyway, it's frustrating, but hoping for.
Speaker 2: Change soon, right right, So again, if you just tax
Speaker 2: the I don't know, the seltzer, the thch lace to seltzer,
Speaker 2: CBD seltzer at the same right, we're doing marijuana, then
Speaker 2: they're happy with it. It doesn't really how does that
Speaker 2: protect children?
Speaker 6: It doesn't, It doesn't.
Speaker 5: But you know, it's something that everyone's going to listen
Speaker 5: to because obviously we all want want what's best with
Speaker 5: the children. But we also need to look at the
Speaker 5: situation logically and realize that this is just a This
Speaker 5: is some bad actors that are selling products they shouldn't
Speaker 5: to people that they shouldn't.
Speaker 2: But legislate the go go after them, make examples of them,
Speaker 2: shut them down, take away their liquor license, do all
Speaker 2: that hurt them. But punishing the manufacturers. I mean, what
Speaker 2: does fifty West have to do with this? What does
Speaker 2: Jason Friedman at Ohio CBD guy have to do?
Speaker 3: Nothing?
Speaker 2: You're caught up in a political power plays with this
Speaker 2: and it's it's criminals. What it is, we'll follow, We'll
Speaker 2: find out what happens. Jason Friedman, all the best, buddy,
Speaker 2: thanks again for coming.
Speaker 3: On the show.
Speaker 7: Hey, thanks for having me on. Scott.
Speaker 3: Take care.
Speaker 2: We'll get a time out in. It's about the children.
Speaker 2: It's about there. We always laugh when Tracy Hunter said that,
Speaker 2: you know, it's all the children. Oh my god, stop
Speaker 2: with the historyonics and II the governor, it's about their children.
Speaker 2: Just wonder if people who I you know, it's a
Speaker 2: dumb question, because if you are absolutely one hundred percent
Speaker 2: conservative and no that it's the only way. There's only
Speaker 2: one religion. This is that right, you don't see the
Speaker 2: apocrisy and the problem with us. And this is why
Speaker 2: you know we are we are right now as a country.
Speaker 2: I voted conservative. My whole life are Republican anyway, unless
Speaker 2: there's like a good libertarian out there. I just want
Speaker 2: some sense of balance. I want government the hell out
Speaker 2: of the way and let the rest of us make money.
Speaker 2: We talked about with healthcare and college everything else that
Speaker 2: that similarly gets gets cocked up in this country right now,
Speaker 2: we're doing it now in Ohio.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it's at the behest of the Republican legislature. And again,
Speaker 2: because we tend to vote that way, we look at
Speaker 2: it and go, ah, it's okay right now, It's not okay.
Speaker 2: This is nothing but a cash grab, is what it is. Listen,
Speaker 2: we don't like the fact that fifty West Roomever or
Speaker 2: some sort of vape manufactury're putting this product out there that, yes,
Speaker 2: kids can get ahold of. But that's true with a
Speaker 2: lot of things adults do, whether it's alcohol or content
Speaker 2: whatever it might be porn. Right, you can at roadblocks.
Speaker 2: If you put things up to make sure the kids
Speaker 2: don't have access to those things, you're not going to
Speaker 2: get all of it, and you should punish the bad
Speaker 2: actors out there that are allowing underage purses or consumption
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 3: It might be one hundred percent. But the idea that
Speaker 3: we're going to.
Speaker 2: Take it away because the legislature can't figure out what
Speaker 2: to do is a flip and joke. Sorry not sorry,
Speaker 2: slowly with your thoughts at five, three, seven, four, nine,
Speaker 2: seven thousand, Quick time out More to follow on seven
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Speaker 3: Of the week in store. Rain is out.
Speaker 2: You hear the old subcum kick and you know it's real, right,
Speaker 2: And now that's good little green grass for a while
Speaker 2: for the back half of whatever season. This might be
Speaker 2: always mother Nature, always messing with us. It's slowly back
Speaker 2: here on seven hundred WLW and talking about yesterday's emergency
Speaker 2: order by the governor. My god, we've got to do
Speaker 2: something about all of these kids who are getting their
Speaker 2: hands on intoxicating hemp, which there's probably a few of
Speaker 2: them doing that. According to the people who keep track
Speaker 2: of this stuff, namely the Ohio Poison Center, there's a
Speaker 2: fifty two percent increase a year every year, and a
Speaker 2: number of kids twelve and younger exposed to cannabis. And
Speaker 2: we have cannabis recreationally medically, and certainly you're gonna have
Speaker 2: kids getting their hands on. Don't encourage that, try to
Speaker 2: discourage that. But do you need to simply take something
Speaker 2: away because a percentage of kids are getting I don't know,
Speaker 2: because they don't break it down out of the eight
Speaker 2: hundred kids eight hundred kid twelve and younger exposed last year,
Speaker 2: I you know, I guess you can create an emergency
Speaker 2: and a crisis out of any number. But inside that
Speaker 2: number of course as well, how many of that exposure?
Speaker 2: What does that mean I touched it and someone for
Speaker 2: parent freaked out, or a grandparent freaked out because they
Speaker 2: don't know what cannabis does or is, or they were
Speaker 2: exhibiting signs just being sleepy, or you know, a twelve
Speaker 2: year old thought it was a sour patch kid and
Speaker 2: popped a THHG gummy And now I'm flipping out because
Speaker 2: they don't know what's going to happen. They're probably going
Speaker 2: to sleep for a while and be a little silly
Speaker 2: and sleep it off. Or my pet got it. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, it could be a host of things. Did
Speaker 2: they get it from a medical supply because medical marijuana
Speaker 2: is legal recreationally. Don't know how much of this is
Speaker 2: what we're talking about here, but nonetheless, it is a
Speaker 2: an absolutely sweeping order from the governor ordering this ninety
Speaker 2: day ban on THHG infused gummies.
Speaker 3: You may go listen, Sloan. I don't care.
Speaker 2: I don't use that stuff. I don't really know anybody
Speaker 2: that does. You know, you made a big deal of
Speaker 2: the vaping. I don't vape, but you know, we all
Speaker 2: do something that someone else does.
Speaker 3: I don't get it. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's not for me. But you know that's today. Maybe
Speaker 2: tomorrow they come after something that's near and dear to you.
Speaker 2: And the point of the matter is, as we got
Speaker 2: in this, how we got to this point where you
Speaker 2: have allegedly a conservative government in Ohio, conservative run legislature
Speaker 2: doing things like banning a product that is manufactured and
Speaker 2: created in Ohioans for Ohioans. And now you're simply saying,
Speaker 2: because the legislature can't figure out a way to regulate
Speaker 2: the product, we're going to simply take it away. What
Speaker 2: about all these small businesses, What about the capital, what
Speaker 2: about the investors? What about the people who probably a
Speaker 2: lot of them voted and supported you, Mike de Wine
Speaker 2: and state legislature that are now getting the rug literally
Speaker 2: pulled out from under them. Because while you didn't regulate this,
Speaker 2: that your opportunity to do that. You could still turn
Speaker 2: around and pass regulation right now, figure out a way
Speaker 2: to make to punish people who are allowing this stuff
Speaker 2: get in the hands of kids. Why don't you just
Speaker 2: do that? It's an easy fix. But of course it's
Speaker 2: not about that, is it. Because when the medical marijuana
Speaker 2: movement took root in Ohio, and it was pretty clear
Speaker 2: to the legislation, like the officials, that Ohions wanted it.
Speaker 2: When we passed recreational weed, it passed like sixty percent
Speaker 2: of the vote. That's incredible in this time and ages
Speaker 2: where look how close presidential races are. In council races,
Speaker 2: it's little. It's it's by the skin of your teeth
Speaker 2: you win an election. That was it was overwhelmingly passed
Speaker 2: by OHI clearly, clearly it was a mandate to get
Speaker 2: out of the way and let us use weed because
Speaker 2: we saw what happened in other states, and we went, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not as bad as Mike DeWine made it out
Speaker 2: to me. I trade traveled and re memory traveled of
Speaker 2: Colorado when he saw the devastation there. And meanwhile, Colorado
Speaker 2: wins love the fact that they can get weed. It
Speaker 2: doesn't mean there's in problems, but they enjoy the freedom
Speaker 2: that they're allowed to do that as adults.
Speaker 7: Here.
Speaker 2: Well, we passed it, and now we've got to go
Speaker 2: back and the legislature had to go and screw things up.
Speaker 2: And the fact of the matter is the confiscatory tax
Speaker 2: that people pay on recreational marijuana drives people. If you're
Speaker 2: a border state, I know people from here that and
Speaker 2: I've gone when I've gone up that way, it's like
Speaker 2: ol stop. You go to Michigan. In hell, it's almost
Speaker 2: like they're giving it away. Friends have come down from Michigan.
Speaker 2: I'll bring some stuff in fifty bucks. You're set for
Speaker 2: you know a year. That's not good for Ohio businesses.
Speaker 2: You know what happened to small market? What happened to
Speaker 2: the being a great competitor and getting government out of
Speaker 2: the well that calls away when we lose our mind
Speaker 2: over saving the children. The minute any politicians screams out
Speaker 2: saving the children, you know, it's not about that. You know,
Speaker 2: it's about something else. And I'll point this out too. Okay,
Speaker 2: how did we get to this point now where we're
Speaker 2: you know, pulling seltzers and CBD and tinctures and things
Speaker 2: that people might enjoy.
Speaker 3: Is not Number one?
Speaker 2: Is the fact is we've so highly regulated and I
Speaker 2: guess maybe not regulated as much as it is taxed
Speaker 2: recreational weed that people are going to a cheap alternative
Speaker 2: going well, you know you're nail me on a tax
Speaker 2: i can only go to a certain place at a
Speaker 2: certain time and talk to a certain guy. Get this,
Speaker 2: I can go to any bar in the area and
Speaker 2: get a THC infused seltzer. My wife really enjoys them,
Speaker 2: she says, Yeah, I don't feel the next day as
Speaker 2: bad as I do when I'm drinking alcohol.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And as beer sales decline and happened declining for a while,
Speaker 2: we're seeing a lot of people be to lean into
Speaker 2: THC beverages. Well, guess what, that's fly in demand. There's
Speaker 2: a market for it. And now what you're saying is
Speaker 2: a conservative market. Forces don't matter, the market doesn't dictate.
Speaker 2: That's socialism then, right, because I thought you're against that
Speaker 2: state controlled, state operated, state run Yeah, but this is
Speaker 2: different because it's why, well, the children ain't about the children,
Speaker 2: it's about the money. Now, they got to figure out
Speaker 2: a way to tax I don't know THC seltzer's at
Speaker 2: the same that they do recreational weed. And next thing
Speaker 2: you know, people won't be buying those because it's going
Speaker 2: to cost you forty five dollars for a forty But again,
Speaker 2: I thought that this was the party of being responsible
Speaker 2: and getting the hell of a way.
Speaker 3: I guess not.
Speaker 2: And you know, maybe I'm old school, maybe more libertarian
Speaker 2: than anything else. I look at this whole thing, and
Speaker 2: you know, I got a call it like I see it.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. You know, there's a lot of people are
Speaker 2: conservative that hate me because how dare I turn the
Speaker 2: mirror around on these people. Well, if you're professing to
Speaker 2: be the party of common sense, the party of individual responsibility,
Speaker 2: the party of our inalienable, God given rights is granted
Speaker 2: in the Constitution. The birth of our nation is inspired
Speaker 2: by the declaration that our individual god given to liberty
Speaker 2: should be preserved against the government and government intrusion. I
Speaker 2: don't know how that stands up against what we're talking
Speaker 2: about here, because it's the exact opposite. Can you pass
Speaker 2: legislation to protect bad actors? And that would be I know,
Speaker 2: some convenience store owners, I guess gas station owners people
Speaker 2: like that from just randomly as they see profit o
Speaker 2: everything else, they simply don't care, kind of like someone
Speaker 2: who's pushing drugs. They don't see the effects of you know,
Speaker 2: they're narcotic sale, they're opiate sales. There the sales of
Speaker 2: illicit street drugs that are killing people and getting people jammed.
Speaker 2: They don't care, they care about the money. Those people
Speaker 2: need to be made examples up and segregated from missus Hidi.
Speaker 2: Whether it's a street pusher or some guy to carry
Speaker 2: out at a corner who's selling this stuff to twelve
Speaker 2: year olds, make a rule. Go after them, Go go
Speaker 2: after their liquor license, go after their life, make an
Speaker 2: example of them to dissuade that kind of behavior, because
Speaker 2: that's what offset's greed. Regulation, but far beyond regulation, and
Speaker 2: I guess I should say rules more than regulation. This
Speaker 2: is simply extermination. And the overwhelming majority of people who
Speaker 2: enjoy these products are adults. Kids are getting their hands
Speaker 2: on it, but at a very very small number. And
Speaker 2: when you say it's about protecting the children, then I'm sorry, Mike.
Speaker 2: That then means you have to go after guns, you
Speaker 2: have to go over alcohol, you have to go after cars.
Speaker 2: I mean all the things that kids can hurt and
Speaker 2: kill themselves with. We just had a shooting wear in
Speaker 2: Westchester of all Lakota for crying out love kids getting shot.
Speaker 2: It's in downtown Cincinnati. This isn't like the you know,
Speaker 2: this is an OTR. We're talking about the white ass
Speaker 2: Westchester and kids getting shot out there. I don't know
Speaker 2: what the story is with the gun, but you could
Speaker 2: make an example, I'd say it. If it's about the children,
Speaker 2: then we've got to do something about the kids getting
Speaker 2: shot randomly and discriminately and innocently and ending their lives.
Speaker 2: We've got to do We can't do anything about the guns,
Speaker 2: But why when we can ban bullets? My god, you'd
Speaker 2: be run out of the You'd be run out of
Speaker 2: Columbus on a rail if you propose that. But how's
Speaker 2: this any different to me?
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 2: It's part and parcel at least. You know what, if
Speaker 2: you say I'm a conservative, it means something. What's that mean?
Speaker 2: Individual freedom, limited government, rule of law, fiscal responsibility. Where
Speaker 2: in today's Republican party, whether it's the state or whether
Speaker 2: it's especially nationally, do we see that at all? Fiscal responsibility?
Speaker 2: How much is that big beautiful bill costing us? How
Speaker 2: much is this government? Well the Democrats are responsible with this,
Speaker 2: but a trillion and a half dollars to keep the
Speaker 2: government open for seven weeks seems like a bargain. And
Speaker 2: we're thirty seven thirty eight trillion in death the rule
Speaker 2: of law? You kind of ended that play in January sixth,
Speaker 2: didn't you all the way up to today? An individual
Speaker 2: freedom and limited government? Yeah, cracking down on books and
Speaker 2: gay marriage and drag shows. Seltzer, where's the liberty?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: It may not be for you, but it may be
Speaker 2: for me. And find me the societal harm that's driving
Speaker 2: any of this stuff.
Speaker 3: And you won't.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, you're wrong about that because kids
Speaker 2: are getting these gummies and they're eating the gummies.
Speaker 3: Are they dying?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 2: Are they getting sick? Yeah, that's scary, it's frightening, it's frightening.
Speaker 2: But if that is a low standard for a ban,
Speaker 2: then there's a lot of things in this country and
Speaker 2: in the state that are screaming for a ban.
Speaker 3: You feel me?
Speaker 2: Five on three, seven, four, nine, eight hundred the Big
Speaker 2: one talk back Heart Radio out Let me get to
Speaker 2: Barry in Miamisburg on seven hundred.
Speaker 3: W over hey, Barry Hey.
Speaker 8: It blows down to middle of the roads quote unquote
Speaker 8: Republicans who would rather raise taxes and have big government
Speaker 8: jobs paid for by more taxes and more taxes than
Speaker 8: anything else. I mean, really, who cares about marijuana or
Speaker 8: fear or any other other things they tax? It's not
Speaker 8: out of it's all about money for Columbus.
Speaker 2: Well, no question, they look at the look at the
Speaker 2: tax that they look at the tax that they put
Speaker 2: on recreacial marijuana, and they're looking at going wow, people
Speaker 2: are going, hey, you know what, I can still at
Speaker 2: my buzz on by circumventing that and going after a
Speaker 2: you know, a delta eight laced seltzer or something along
Speaker 2: those lines. They created this mess. And now it's like,
Speaker 2: well the tax is so enormous. People are looking for
Speaker 2: a black market essentially, as what they're saying is you
Speaker 2: created the black market.
Speaker 9: Look At how hard they fought against letting people grow
Speaker 9: their own amen, because you can't catch something somebody grows
Speaker 9: in their living room.
Speaker 2: This is and you're absolutely right, thanks for the call.
Speaker 2: And that's the problem with politics, Like how many times
Speaker 2: a day do I say that we have a part
Speaker 2: two party system. They're hollow, they're empty. It's a soulless
Speaker 2: fundraising shell on both sides. It's and it's supported by
Speaker 2: a shrinking number of cultists. And we and and part
Speaker 2: of this driving this too is we are more individualistic
Speaker 2: than ever before. I mean we you know, things like
Speaker 2: like a better good societal rules are kind of going
Speaker 2: away by this, and you know we we're not likely
Speaker 2: to We're not like to say, hey, we're going to
Speaker 2: take a sacrifice and do something for the common good.
Speaker 2: We tend to look in that little individual sylum which
Speaker 2: we're in, you know, a things like authorities, you know,
Speaker 2: the government, schools, medical establishments all go by the wayside
Speaker 2: because of that, because of what we're doing. But how
Speaker 2: are the two parties helping to fix it?
Speaker 3: They're not.
Speaker 2: It's more about how much money we can raise and
Speaker 2: how we can remain in power and leveraging all of
Speaker 2: that against well, what the Constitution once stood for. And
Speaker 2: it's a sad kind of decline. Does that mean America's over?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: But I think you know enough people get pissed off
Speaker 2: when they start coming after things like this and go
Speaker 2: all right, enough of this nonsense. We need some common
Speaker 2: sense here. You know, you can't simply because I subscribe
Speaker 2: to one political ally ideology the other simply turn a
Speaker 2: blind eye towards what it is your I mean, what
Speaker 2: do you stand for? If you if you if you
Speaker 2: don't stand for something, you stand for nothing. What are
Speaker 2: the core beliefs? What are the core tenants of what
Speaker 2: we're talking about here. You know, I rattled off the
Speaker 2: launderlist of what Republicans and Conservatives used to stand for
Speaker 2: at one time. And I consider myself more Republican than
Speaker 2: a conservative because the social issues. To me, I don't
Speaker 2: care what you do in the privacy of your own home.
Speaker 2: If you're a consenting adult and there's no grave harm
Speaker 2: to society, then knock yourself out. And and I'm an
Speaker 2: about libertarian in that sense. But all of these things
Speaker 2: where we got to save the children from an imaginary
Speaker 2: boogeyman at the expense of hard working men and women
Speaker 2: Ohioans who invested life savings into trying to buy up
Speaker 2: into the American dream and create a product that's taxed
Speaker 2: but not outrageously taxed and sell it to an open market.
Speaker 2: Seems to be something conservatives once not long ago stood for,
Speaker 2: and now they're against it. Over to al and Montgomery
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Speaker 3: Ow what do you got.
Speaker 7: Good?
Speaker 3: I'm good right good?
Speaker 10: Now you reminded me of old Bill Clinton, where we
Speaker 10: fight for the children.
Speaker 3: It's for the children.
Speaker 10: Yeah, whenever he wanted to do any but anyway, I
Speaker 10: first to say, I don't you don't know marking anything
Speaker 10: that's about up.
Speaker 7: But I thought, and I might be wrong, that this.
Speaker 10: Legislation was only for a synthetic uh EHC products probably
Speaker 10: a little bit more first.
Speaker 4: Than I am in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's a good thing. I didn't
Speaker 2: get it, and your your phone's kind of breaking up.
Speaker 2: I'll let you go, man, I appreciate you checking in. No,
Speaker 2: that is that's a solid point in thh fused infused
Speaker 2: gummies and the like, and it's got to have a
Speaker 2: percentage of TFC. And I again, I know enough about
Speaker 2: it to be dangerous, but I'm certainly no chemist here.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not Walter White or anything like that.
Speaker 2: But they back in the day that with the core
Speaker 2: of this whole thing was separating hemp from intoxica so
Speaker 2: hemps a plant and you can make you know, there's fabric.
Speaker 2: Think about I don't know, you know, you're you're petullia
Speaker 2: oil smelling hippie. Think of like Woody Harrelson wearing I
Speaker 2: don't know it's wearing some sort of hemp hemp shirt
Speaker 2: or something like that.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna get high.
Speaker 2: You can eat that hemp and smoke it, and there's
Speaker 2: the intoxicating portion of that. So there's a non intoxic
Speaker 2: any plant that was legalized by the General Assembly few
Speaker 2: years ago. And the problem was when they created this,
Speaker 2: they didn't differentiate it, and so people are like, well, it's
Speaker 2: a hemp product's a hemp derivative, and there's hemp derivative
Speaker 2: derived can canabinoids that produce the psycho psychoactive effects would
Speaker 2: be similar to THHC, like Delta eight, Delta nine is
Speaker 2: actually weed. Delta eight is one component off. Delta ten
Speaker 2: has I don't know, maybe one more component of it,
Speaker 2: but essentially has the same effect. Delta HTC is a
Speaker 2: psychoactive compound that comes from a hemp product and the
Speaker 2: highest similar to traditional delta nine THHD. It's chemically similar
Speaker 2: and you can synthesize that and extract it from the
Speaker 2: hemp plant. It's still a plant. Okay, So you're right,
Speaker 2: You're right and wrong at the same time. And so
Speaker 2: they said, well, if we take this now and it
Speaker 2: has the same effect, I can put it in a
Speaker 2: VP form. I can also put it in a seltzer.
Speaker 2: I can put it in tinture, which is like a
Speaker 2: little eyedropper thing you put on your tongue or whatever.
Speaker 2: The delivery or a gummy or whatever. The delivery system
Speaker 2: is okay, So that's the legal loophole.
Speaker 3: That was good.
Speaker 2: Why not just go back and change a loophole then
Speaker 2: and say, if it's intoxicating, okay, here's some regulation with it.
Speaker 3: I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2: We're sutting the whole thing down, which is a disturbing part.
Speaker 2: But let's go back and look at well, why would
Speaker 2: they come up with something, Why wouldn't you Why would
Speaker 2: you come up with delta eight and why would you
Speaker 2: take hamp in delta ten and have these you know,
Speaker 2: chemically different, mollectually slightly different if it has the same
Speaker 2: effect as marijuana. Well, to answer your question, I'll come
Speaker 2: back full circle, back to the wine, back to the legislature.
Speaker 2: That is, the markets are always going to find a
Speaker 2: way to sell stuff to people that they want. There's
Speaker 2: a huge demand for getting high, right or for alleviating pain.
Speaker 2: Is the case maybe with me and I like to
Speaker 2: get high, but also with Austin you know, rights and
Speaker 2: ligaments that are torn and stuff like that. You know,
Speaker 2: I prefer that O Roqui it's honestly, I do because
Speaker 2: you get a good night's sleep. A lot of people do,
Speaker 2: and so people learn that and went, yeah, okay, there's
Speaker 2: something to this. It's you know, maybe there's a long,
Speaker 2: long term health effect, but right now I can't sleep
Speaker 2: because you know, I don't I don't have any I
Speaker 2: have bone on bone in my shoulder, my knee or
Speaker 2: my back or whatever it might be. Or maybe I
Speaker 2: just like the buzz better than alcohol. What's wrong with that?
Speaker 3: Nothing?
Speaker 2: Nothing, but the whole reason why these synthetics and these
Speaker 2: derivatives were made. Why was because of the ban on
Speaker 2: marijuana in the first place. It was the prohibition. So
Speaker 2: Mike DeWine, who's been anti marijuana's whole life, helped create
Speaker 2: this problem that he's now trying to solve, and that
Speaker 2: if you tell people you can't have it because I
Speaker 2: don't like it, because I think it's bad for you
Speaker 2: and I know better and it's a nanty state, then
Speaker 2: the markets will find try and find a way around that.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, okay, I can't sell you a weed,
Speaker 2: but you know we're pretty smart in the creative in
Speaker 2: business class, and that we'll find a way. We'll come
Speaker 2: up with something to satisfy avoid in the market, and
Speaker 2: eed in the market. It's always worked that way in capitalism,
Speaker 2: and in this case it was marijuana. Like, okay, well
Speaker 2: we've got delta eight, which is not really marijuana.
Speaker 3: It's close. Give you the same buzz. Well that's a loophole.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The reason why is because you banned marijuana, and now
Speaker 2: someone found a way around that to set us why
Speaker 2: the capitalistic need the consumer economy. And that's all this is,
Speaker 2: either we are a consumer capitalist economy or not. In
Speaker 2: the legislature, these politicians spend you spend a lot of
Speaker 2: time telling you they're not socialists or whatever is it
Speaker 2: might be, but they sure as hell act like.
Speaker 3: It, don't they. It's the home of the best Bengals
Speaker 3: coverage seven hundred WW Cincinnati, Solony.
Speaker 2: Back on seven hundred WLW Are we in the Fourth
Speaker 2: Industrial Revolution?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: What fourth industrial leve The first one was a coal
Speaker 2: in steam power, second revolution was gas, third was the
Speaker 2: digital revolution beginning in the late nineteen sixties, and the
Speaker 2: fourth one is a I artificial intelligence. Recently, Elon Musk
Speaker 2: said there's a twenty percent chance that AI will take
Speaker 2: over humanity. Essentially humans won't be in existence any longer
Speaker 2: than computers will take over literally the stuff of science fiction. Frightening,
Speaker 2: isn't it? And uh I did twenty percent. There's other
Speaker 2: things that's probably a ten percent chance. But that's today.
Speaker 2: What happens tomorrow. And as I mentioned this, there's a
Speaker 2: new AI bought out there that with a couple of keystrokes,
Speaker 2: just words, you can create literally visual content that is
Speaker 2: about as realistic as what you see with the naked eye. Frightening.
Speaker 2: What that means for well, entertainment, news, and everything else.
Speaker 2: Chris McKenzie's here. He's a nonprofit called Americans for Responsible Innovation.
Speaker 2: They cover AI policy and the public interest. Chris, welcome, Hi, shot,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be on with you. We've always had
Speaker 2: fear of the unknown. We have fomo now, but we
Speaker 2: also had fear of the unknown. Those two factors go together,
Speaker 2: like peanut, butter and jelly, go back to the days
Speaker 2: of the cave man. Right, here's four cave men and
Speaker 2: there what do they carry off? Pelts? They've got their pelts,
Speaker 2: different pelts of things and pelts, and we're bringing pelts
Speaker 2: here and we need pelts for the winner.
Speaker 3: Pelts. Pelts pelts and.
Speaker 2: Some guy goes, hey, what if we took this thing,
Speaker 2: we'll call it a wheel, and now now we just
Speaker 2: need one guy.
Speaker 3: We don't need for a you're going to put me
Speaker 3: out of a job. This is anything different.
Speaker 4: That's a good point, you know. Resistance to automation, I
Speaker 4: like to say, is a story as old as jobs themselves,
Speaker 4: right whether you're talking about lamp lighters protesting the advent
Speaker 4: of the street lamp, or textile workers strikes that shook
Speaker 4: England during the Industrial Revolution, this story has been playing
Speaker 4: out for a long time. And as you noted earlier,
Speaker 4: we're in a moment of rapid technological change with AI
Speaker 4: right now that is similar to the Industrial Revolution in
Speaker 4: a lot of ways. It's likely to increase productivity, it
Speaker 4: will probably.
Speaker 7: Benefit consumers in many ways.
Speaker 4: Over the long run, but in the short run, it's
Speaker 4: likely to place millions upon millions of workers. And the
Speaker 4: key difference here, something to keep in mind, is in
Speaker 4: its pace. The Industrial Revolution took place over many, many decades.
Speaker 4: You know, the first commercial steam engine was designed in
Speaker 4: seventeen tw out. Then it took seventy years after that
Speaker 4: before we put the steam engine into a train and
Speaker 4: then forty years before that locomotive train was common. Compare
Speaker 4: that to AI. CHANGBT was released a couple of years ago,
Speaker 4: and companies across the economy are already trying to figure
Speaker 4: out how does this fit into their business and what
Speaker 4: pieces of their business can be automated.
Speaker 2: Which has all of us in the work sector looking
Speaker 2: over our shoulders. And it's not just manufacturing and imports
Speaker 2: and shipping and car manufacturing. Accountants, lawyers, software engineers, graphic designers, drivers,
Speaker 2: you know. With AI and autonomus vehicles, all that and
Speaker 2: many many more fields are now in jeopardy when they
Speaker 2: once were. He thought, Hey, I'm an account I'm a lawyer,
Speaker 2: I'm an engineer, I'm set for life.
Speaker 3: No, that's not true anymore.
Speaker 4: That's absolutely true. Depending on your field, the AI will
Speaker 4: impact employment in different ways and at a different pace.
Speaker 4: What's expected to happen is that AI will probably impact
Speaker 4: the industry retail moving and g gipping first, and it could,
Speaker 4: but in the long run, again, as you noted, it'll
Speaker 4: impact a really broad range of sectors, including sectors that
Speaker 4: we previously thought were safe for automation.
Speaker 2: I'm in the radio industry as we sit here, and
Speaker 2: have this conversation on the radio. I saw not long
Speaker 2: ago that there was a djab At music station. I
Speaker 2: believe this is an Australia, I want to say. And
Speaker 2: they couldn't figure out who this new voice was whatever.
Speaker 2: About six months into it, the company divulges it's AI.
Speaker 2: It's not a real person. And everyone thought it was
Speaker 2: a real person because they're sharing intimate personal stories and
Speaker 2: everything else. And you know, it's that always case where
Speaker 2: it's like, well, you know it's not going to impact
Speaker 2: my job, Well, it's impacting our jobs right and tomorrow
Speaker 2: it may not be years today, but tomorrow it is
Speaker 2: going to be years. I think a great example of
Speaker 2: that of the porch. It wasn't long ago we had
Speaker 2: the port strikes in America. We're woefully behind the rest
Speaker 2: of the world would come to this, But now they're
Speaker 2: fighting for their market share and jobs, which I get.
Speaker 2: But the reality is the rest of the world's already
Speaker 2: moved on, and a lot of this stuff has done
Speaker 2: with artificial intelligence and AI that controls robots.
Speaker 7: I think you're right.
Speaker 4: What we know is that there is a large displacement
Speaker 4: of US workers coming because of the AI revolution. Now policymakers, unions,
Speaker 4: employers have some successful examples from history to draw on
Speaker 4: for how we can help workers transition into the future workforce.
Speaker 4: During the Industrial Revolution, we created the public education system
Speaker 4: and we implemented worker protections over a number of years.
Speaker 4: That helps to create the factory jobs that we now
Speaker 4: look back on and say, well, that was a good job,
Speaker 4: that was a good paying job, and we missed that right.
Speaker 4: The GI Bill is another example that helps eight million
Speaker 4: World War two veterans find work back in the US
Speaker 4: after the end of the war. Of course, we're facing
Speaker 4: a displacement of workers much larger than eight million workers.
Speaker 4: By some estimate, that's going to be forty seven percent
Speaker 4: of the US workforce that's impacted by the implementation of AI.
Speaker 3: WOW, and that brings up a whole host of other questions.
Speaker 2: Is, all right, we've got a lot of people and
Speaker 2: there's not enough jobs for everybody. How do we survive?
Speaker 2: Things like universal basic income have come into play. I've
Speaker 2: also heard people like I don't amays Bill gay someone
Speaker 2: like that. It's an idea that's been around for a while,
Speaker 2: which involves actually taxing the AI and taxing the robots
Speaker 2: as if they were a real.
Speaker 6: Worker as possible.
Speaker 4: I think what we need right now are big ideas
Speaker 4: both in education and in worker protection specifically over the
Speaker 4: immediate term. One of the things that Congress can do
Speaker 4: is implement protections to make sure that AI is not
Speaker 4: used in an invasive, privacy intruding way on workers, to
Speaker 4: overly monitor their productivity in a way that's dehumanizing.
Speaker 2: AI most certainly is going to take a lot of
Speaker 2: jobs away, and there's going to be huge worker displacement
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 3: How do we navigate that?
Speaker 4: You're correct, there are jobs that will will have in
Speaker 4: the future that we can't imagine right now because they
Speaker 4: are before the advent of computers. A lot of the
Speaker 4: jobs that we're doing today we could not have imagined.
Speaker 4: It did destroy jobs. There was the process of creative
Speaker 4: destruction where many workers were displaced, but it also created jobs.
Speaker 4: Even if you look at ports, there are jobs operating
Speaker 4: automatic you know, cranes and highly autonomous vehicles that we
Speaker 4: could not have imagined forty years ago. The number of
Speaker 4: people those ports employee is different, but there are new
Speaker 4: jobs that are on their way because of this technological
Speaker 4: change as well.
Speaker 2: It makes a sense Chris then to fight if you're
Speaker 2: a worker of existing worker, whether it's unions or not,
Speaker 2: to protect workers from market forces instead of unsafe working conditions.
Speaker 2: You know, there's still plenty of jobs out there that
Speaker 2: are a little bit more dangerous than others. But clearly
Speaker 2: in the last one hundred years in the industrial level revolution,
Speaker 2: we're a lot safer than we've ever been in the
Speaker 2: workplace because of the union, because of rules and regulation,
Speaker 2: and so as a result of this thing, now maybe
Speaker 2: more of the focuses on the market forces, which here
Speaker 2: would be AI. Is how they is that I guess
Speaker 2: at the union sense is that how they continue to
Speaker 2: stay relevant because worker safety seems pretty good.
Speaker 4: I think you're actually going to see two types of
Speaker 4: resistance to automation and the implementation of AI from workers
Speaker 4: and unions. One is the replacement of jobs, which workers
Speaker 4: are going to protest because they don't want to see
Speaker 4: their jobs evaporate. And the second is the unfair implementation
Speaker 4: of AI that negatively impacts workers on the job. Right
Speaker 4: and again I turned to Privy as an example where
Speaker 4: we see some companies have implemented AI in a way
Speaker 4: that monitors employees every move in a very intrusive way
Speaker 4: it monitors their click movements maybe if you're on a computer,
Speaker 4: and we're probably going to see some resistance to that
Speaker 4: as well. So I would describe those as the two
Speaker 4: paths of resistance that will likely encounter a.
Speaker 6: Day I is implemented.
Speaker 2: It's pretty scary though, that half the jobs in America
Speaker 2: are under threat from AI right now, which would totally
Speaker 2: upend the Apple gart But as you said, and I
Speaker 2: think of this often as that kids today, if you're
Speaker 2: in school, you're training for a job that does not
Speaker 2: yet exist. We'll just find a way to. For example,
Speaker 2: the computer, we're supposed to make our lives easier. Oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, we'll have all this free time to it's
Speaker 2: made it harder. Isn't that going to happen with AI.
Speaker 4: It'll make some things easier, it'll make some things harder.
Speaker 4: You know, we have the computer now, it's made shopping easier.
Speaker 4: For example, I have access to a whole world of
Speaker 4: products that I did not USETAB. I do think computers
Speaker 4: are really informative example, because in many ways it's made
Speaker 4: the lives of consumers easier. It's given consumers access to
Speaker 4: many products and things that they did not use stab
Speaker 4: access to but it's created two types of work, and
Speaker 4: in some cases it feels like it's made life harder
Speaker 4: for everyday workers and are kind of, yeah.
Speaker 2: It feels that it's supposed to be, Oh God, and
Speaker 2: we we'll spend all day going shopping with our you know,
Speaker 2: going out with our family and hanging out. No, we
Speaker 2: just spend all our days in front of a screen.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 2: Granted it's TikTok, it's Facebook, it's other things. But you know,
Speaker 2: I think the nature we work more as more hours
Speaker 2: than we used to. In some cases, we've seen those
Speaker 2: studies come out go and are actually spending more time
Speaker 2: working away from work than it used to be.
Speaker 3: In the old days.
Speaker 2: You know, we'd punched the clock in eight hour shift,
Speaker 2: ten hours whatever, we'd go home, we'd have the rest
Speaker 2: of our lives.
Speaker 3: And now it just follows us home. That's that's a point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you noted you know, computers, It depends on
Speaker 4: how you frame it, right. Some people look at computers
Speaker 4: and they say, well, they've made us much more productive.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, what is that How does
Speaker 4: that productivity manifest for workers themselves? Sometimes that's people checking
Speaker 4: their phones after five pm? The thing can be said
Speaker 4: of AI, it'll make workers more productive, but how does
Speaker 4: that productivity manifest? Is that in you know, monitoring workers
Speaker 4: every move, every click, and we need to make sure
Speaker 4: protections are in place so that it's not implemented and
Speaker 4: dehumanizing our unfair way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly how quickly is this happening? We know AI
Speaker 2: is moving exceptionally fast. I mentioned the four industry revolutions
Speaker 2: with coal and gas and the digital revolution of the sixties,
Speaker 2: but this one is moving fast in all three of those.
Speaker 7: That's a really good question.
Speaker 4: What we've seen with past eras of technological transformation is
Speaker 4: that it comes in kind of a jay curve. Right.
Speaker 4: You see the implementation of technology, you see companies trying
Speaker 4: to figure it out, and there's a moment of actually
Speaker 4: not increasing productivity, but almost decreasing productivity as companies are
Speaker 4: still trying to slop this technology into their business model
Speaker 4: and figure out a way to make them more productive.
Speaker 4: And then there's a period of rapid transformation of rapidly
Speaker 4: increasing productivity.
Speaker 6: And we haven't hit that yet.
Speaker 4: We're still in the phase where companies are looking at
Speaker 4: this tech and trying to figure out how to implement it,
Speaker 4: but we will soon. We will see see that era
Speaker 4: of rapid transformation.
Speaker 2: And I would suggest too that we're going to see
Speaker 2: a host of other careers developed as a result of
Speaker 2: AI that we don't know, as we've mentioned before, and
Speaker 2: so ultimately scares the hell out of us because right
Speaker 2: now are going, Wow, my job may be eliminated. It's
Speaker 2: probably not going to be tomorrow. But you and I
Speaker 2: you ought to be looking over your shoulder.
Speaker 4: That's true. Your job won't be eliminated tomorrow. And I
Speaker 4: think what's important to think about is how can bringing
Speaker 4: AI into your work also help make you more productive
Speaker 4: as someone who's who's an employee right because it can
Speaker 4: help make employees more and more competitive piece of the
Speaker 4: workforce if they are able to find ways to implement
Speaker 4: AI in.
Speaker 6: Their own work.
Speaker 2: He's Chris McKenzie with the nonprofit Americans for Responsible Innovation.
Speaker 2: They handle AI policy and the public interest, not necessarily
Speaker 2: pro AI, but figuring out how it all works. And
Speaker 2: now maybe you got some questions answered for this problem. Listen,
Speaker 2: you brought me up more questions than than answers at
Speaker 2: this point, which I get. But it's so rapidly changing.
Speaker 2: If you're older, it'll affect you a little less. And
Speaker 2: retirement it'll affect you because AI will be doing more
Speaker 2: for you. But if you're in the workforce into your
Speaker 2: relatively younger middle aged Uh, this is the future you're facing.
Speaker 2: Is we all have it's technological challenge. America is about innovation.
Speaker 2: We always lean into that. We don't shy away from it,
Speaker 2: or we shouldn't anyway. Chris, all the best, thanks again.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Scott, have a good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, too long, didn't read. We will figure it out.
Speaker 2: We always do. Now there's going to be a huge
Speaker 2: upheople in jobs, and again there's going to be jobs created.
Speaker 2: We don't know that they don't exist right now, that
Speaker 2: it exists tomorrow. There's That's always been the case, and
Speaker 2: probably more so today than ever. New AI bot comes
Speaker 2: out says yeah, I put a couple of keywords in
Speaker 2: and it will generate fake video for you. And the
Speaker 2: video is unbelievably compelling. So what does that mean when
Speaker 2: you could with a few key strokes create a I
Speaker 2: don't know, a program, a TV show, fake news dialogue
Speaker 2: between two people. I mean the content that we watch
Speaker 2: on our screens, whether it's the one in your hand
Speaker 2: or the one on your all. What is that going
Speaker 2: to look like in the next few years, over the
Speaker 2: next five, ten years, or simply like, you know, does
Speaker 2: Hollywood go away because it's all AI? Now that's a
Speaker 2: really really good question. Now, I'd see that's kind of
Speaker 2: hitting home for us here in the creative sector. Will
Speaker 2: the voice that you hear on the station or through
Speaker 2: your phone? I guess I won't. Eve miss station would
Speaker 2: be an app in the future just simply be something
Speaker 2: that's AI generated. I mean, we watch a lot of
Speaker 2: fake videos now and go, yeah, I think it's kind
Speaker 2: of fake, but it's funny dog driving a car. Look
Speaker 2: at that. That's pretty good and you watch it. Okay,
Speaker 2: so already consuming that accunt that we know is fake.
Speaker 2: In the future, it won't. And what does that mean
Speaker 2: for news? What does that mean for information? Do we
Speaker 2: get more even more divided? That's even possible. When it
Speaker 2: comes to our worldview, we'll find such a niche of
Speaker 2: our that reflects our own narrow world views that collectivism
Speaker 2: and society for that matter, now becomes an o layer.
Speaker 2: We're moving more towards the individual and more away from society.
Speaker 2: A lot of people say that'll end America, this great
Speaker 2: experience as we know it, will it or will just
Speaker 2: look different? Great questions and A is going to drive
Speaker 2: this thing for sure. Anyway, let me get a news
Speaker 2: update in and that's real news with a live, breathing
Speaker 2: human being. Well it's Uchino, so I think it's I
Speaker 2: don't know if he's breathing or he may be a
Speaker 2: bot himself. Kind of looks like a bo Anyway, whoever
Speaker 2: has the news, we have it for you live and
Speaker 2: then we return afterwards. Scott's loan on seven hundred WLW
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Speaker 2: When politicians say it's about the children, it's about our children.
Speaker 2: They gotta save our children, and a never about saving
Speaker 2: no children, It's about something else. So yesterday Governor Mike
Speaker 2: DeWine issued a ninety day ban on THC and fused
Speaker 2: gummies and beverages and outside outside licensed marijuana dispensary. So
Speaker 2: you got a license from the state and the tax
Speaker 2: goes along with that. And if you're not paying that
Speaker 2: viig then guess what We're gonna shut you down. That's
Speaker 2: a message I got into this, how about you? So
Speaker 2: bottom line is this if you enjoy a I know
Speaker 2: THHG infused gummy or a vape or a product. For example,
Speaker 2: a lot of brewers have added something new to their
Speaker 2: seltzer lineup, and that would be THC infused beverages for adults,
Speaker 2: sold at bars, sold at restaurants. People enjoyment, My wife
Speaker 2: loves them. According to the governor's ban here they have
Speaker 2: to remove displays and sales by October fourteenth, midnight October fourteenth.
Speaker 2: So what does this mean for I don't know, small
Speaker 2: businesses in Ohio and for those people who enjoy seltzers,
Speaker 2: particularly CDB seltzers.
Speaker 3: What does that? What does that even look like?
Speaker 2: I had Jason Freeman on the OICBD guy first at
Speaker 2: the show, and now it's Bobby Slattery. Bobby's the founder
Speaker 2: of fifty West and joins the show. Now, Bobby, how
Speaker 2: are you.
Speaker 6: I'm doing great, Thanks for having me on the show.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you calling and checking in with us. I got
Speaker 2: to say, I mean, you guys are it seems like
Speaker 2: you're growing leaps and bounds with the retail establishments that
Speaker 2: you have, and it, I mean, it's really something. It's
Speaker 2: cool to see someone local do so well. But you know,
Speaker 2: here's the problem with this thing is you guys saw
Speaker 2: him market opportunity here. You invested sizeable capital in CBD
Speaker 2: enhanced beverages. And now I'm sure you woke up this
Speaker 2: morning and went, what the hell just happened?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's funny. First off, I was driving
Speaker 6: in for a meeting this morning down at the county
Speaker 6: Commissioner's office that's something unrelated, and I was listening to
Speaker 6: your show and you kept saying our name, and I'm going,
Speaker 6: oh God, talking about us. I'm happy to talk. So
Speaker 6: I really appreciate you. You get me on the show and
Speaker 6: getting my perspective.
Speaker 2: So basically everything I said so far, did I miss anything.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to slant. You know.
Speaker 2: I look at your success store and go, okay, you
Speaker 2: guys jump in the craft beer movement. You keep putting
Speaker 2: in new ventures. You've got new restaurants, and the Mason
Speaker 2: ones absolutely amazing. You got outdoor volleyball and his kid
Speaker 2: and dog friendly and you're drinking beer and my wife
Speaker 2: likes the Seltzers that did the CBD infused ones, and
Speaker 2: You're like, there's a market opportunity here, and now you
Speaker 2: come along and the governor in one swift move in
Speaker 2: three months is going to make this illegal.
Speaker 3: What's your reaction.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think, first off, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 6: gonna eternal op So I'm trying to find the positives
Speaker 6: in this. The first about of Flower products, we launched
Speaker 6: that about about a year ago. And when we launched it,
Speaker 6: we saw this new space. We thought there might be
Speaker 6: a customer base there. We weren't really sure who it was.
Speaker 6: And what was amazing was the amount of customers that
Speaker 6: are that are moving away from alcohol, especially in the
Speaker 6: gen Z phase, but also as adults. Your wife might
Speaker 6: be one of these, but there's people that are just
Speaker 6: they don't want alcohol anymore. They beverage is a social occasion, right,
Speaker 6: the act of drinking that's always going to be something
Speaker 6: that we do, not necessarily drinking alcohol, but the active
Speaker 6: act of drinking a beverage.
Speaker 7: And so a lot of.
Speaker 6: Customers started to find this space where, you know, they
Speaker 6: wanted to be social, but they didn't want it to
Speaker 6: mess with their sleep patterns. And so our Sunflower product,
Speaker 6: it was low milligram five milligram dosage, and so it
Speaker 6: became extremely popular, so much so that in our world.
Speaker 6: You know, craft beer is down tremendously across across the
Speaker 6: board nationwide, and beers down tremendously across the board. And
Speaker 6: so this year we've seen the largest decline ever in
Speaker 6: sales and craft beer in the history of fifty West.
Speaker 6: We are going to make more total barralage this year
Speaker 6: than we've ever made before, and that's coming from these
Speaker 6: five milligram THHC beverages that we call Sunflower. And so
Speaker 6: I think and most of those people that are drinking
Speaker 6: those this is not that the customer is not it's
Speaker 6: not who the governor is kind of discussing here. Most
Speaker 6: of these people are choosing it as a it's health
Speaker 6: conscious reasons. It's because it's lower talarie, it's because it
Speaker 6: doesn't make you feel hungover, because you can function the
Speaker 6: next day. And so, you know, it's a little you know,
Speaker 6: it's frustrating. We obviously created a lot of jobs for
Speaker 6: us and opportunities, and so I think what we're looking
Speaker 6: towards is my hope is that the governor did this
Speaker 6: in an effort to kind of get the kind of
Speaker 6: get the attention of the legislature to try to pass
Speaker 6: some laws that would would help help put more structure
Speaker 6: to this. And so, you know, I think that's our
Speaker 6: mission right now is you know, I'm going around every
Speaker 6: LEGI everyone I can to say, hey, you know, we
Speaker 6: do believe that there should be laws in place here.
Speaker 6: I think that you know, it just twenty one and
Speaker 6: up like we write it on our cans. I think
Speaker 6: that's a pretty pretty understandable thing. The other thing I
Speaker 6: think you can look at is we can turn to
Speaker 6: alcohol and say there's a lot of good guidelines we
Speaker 6: can just follow as far as alcohol is concerned, as
Speaker 6: it relates to taxation, as it relates to how it's regulated.
Speaker 6: And so you know, our hope is that that we
Speaker 6: can quickly resolve this, it can work with the local
Speaker 6: legislation to get something agreeable. So, uh, you know, we're
Speaker 6: we're looking at the future. There's a real this is
Speaker 6: a real, real growth opportunity for people out there that
Speaker 6: haven't had these beverages. It's happening, it's happening fast, and
Speaker 6: it's a major marketplace that's going to create a lot
Speaker 6: of jobs and a lot of opportunities, especially here in Ohio.
Speaker 2: Ya, Bobby Slider, you you're an eternal optimist. You said,
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit more pragmatic. I tend to I
Speaker 2: like to look at the at the beer glass, the
Speaker 2: fifty West glass to being half full as opposed to
Speaker 2: have empty.
Speaker 3: I let us go.
Speaker 2: Okay, is this just a wake up call, a way
Speaker 2: to scare the legislature and a compliance here. I'm hoping
Speaker 2: that is the case. But as the weeks turned into months,
Speaker 2: and is that ninety day deadline rapidly approaches and in
Speaker 2: business ninety days is you know, maybe for you, it
Speaker 2: feels like a long time. When you've got a brick
Speaker 2: and mortar location, you're you know, you're looking at your
Speaker 2: your daily sales of your barrel sales of whatever you're
Speaker 2: moving out the door, and whether it's CBD, THC or
Speaker 2: good old fashioned beer, it could be water. If you're selling,
Speaker 2: you're going to make more of it. I get that
Speaker 2: it's good for jobs, good for the economy, and you
Speaker 2: made a sizable personal investment in this whole thing not
Speaker 2: that long ago, during the peak, you know, during craft
Speaker 2: beer and the big boom, which you say is kind
Speaker 2: of decline right now. Maybe it's a one year off.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a trend or whatever, but
Speaker 2: bottom line is, you know you're gonna run out of it.
Speaker 2: Feels like the clock may run out here on this
Speaker 2: whole thing. How optimistic are you that the legislature is
Speaker 2: going to get back in a session and go we
Speaker 2: got to address this right now? This is this is
Speaker 2: the biggest thing we've got to face. So so that's
Speaker 2: what I'm That's what I'm doing today.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's what I'm doing this morning, That's what
Speaker 6: I'll be doing for probably the next until we get
Speaker 6: this thing fixed. But yeah, I mean, my my recommendation
Speaker 6: to people that are out there is contact your local legislator.
Speaker 6: If you're somebody that drains these products, and there's a
Speaker 6: lot of you out there. I mean, the amount of
Speaker 6: growth we saw on this was was I mean, it
Speaker 6: was tremendous. And you know, if you want to fix this,
Speaker 6: rech out to your local legislator, talk to them about
Speaker 6: these products that have been removed via executive order and
Speaker 6: and tell them, tell them who you are and why
Speaker 6: you want it back. Because I believe in America. I
Speaker 6: believe in the American process, and I think that that
Speaker 6: that's how we fix this. So let's go out there,
Speaker 6: let's rally this up because you are right. I mean,
Speaker 6: I have we hired our whole sales team over the
Speaker 6: last several months, and you know, I don't know what
Speaker 6: to tell those people to do as of Tuesday. It's
Speaker 6: hard to sell a product that you're not allowed to sell, right,
Speaker 6: So with that being said, I'm committed to my team
Speaker 6: and you know, they made a commitment to me, and
Speaker 6: so you know, we're going to go out there and
Speaker 6: you know, if they can't sell product and we're going
Speaker 6: to go we'll send them into like politicians. I don't
Speaker 6: know what we're going to do with them, but we're
Speaker 6: gonna We're going to figure out a way to make
Speaker 6: sense of this because our sales, the way I like
Speaker 6: to look at it is the sales and the growth
Speaker 6: of of of the of the sunflower products was that
Speaker 6: it was the people of Ohio speaking. It was consumer preference, right.
Speaker 6: They weren't buying these products because somebody was forcing them to.
Speaker 6: They were buying them because this is this is a
Speaker 6: new wave that they're moving towards. And so you know,
Speaker 6: if that's the voice of Ohiolands, then I think that
Speaker 6: we should be able to get these laws straight, to
Speaker 6: be able to cater to the people that live here.
Speaker 3: Otherwise you know, yeah.
Speaker 6: They're going to go to Kentucky or Indiana or exactly.
Speaker 2: It's okay, So maybe, I mean, look at how they
Speaker 2: screw I don't know how big you are in the
Speaker 2: marijuana thing, but how they how the song got screwed
Speaker 2: in the first place. I mean, there was an overwhelm
Speaker 2: the ground, slow of support online. You could see the
Speaker 2: wave coming across America's More and more states adopted medical
Speaker 2: and then recreational weed.
Speaker 3: And you know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: In Ohio, It passed yere with like sixty percent, and
Speaker 2: up until the last minute, the governor of the legislature
Speaker 2: fought and fought and fought against it and then try
Speaker 2: to create more rules to subvert that the will of
Speaker 2: the peace people. And now now we're having government that's
Speaker 2: screaming about you know. Uh, Delta a THHC products and
Speaker 2: Delta eight is a psychoactive compound and the highest similar
Speaker 2: to traditional marijuana. Delta nine is regular marins Delta eight.
Speaker 2: So it's just a molecule or two, all right.
Speaker 6: I Mean the governor outlawed all intoxic what he's calling
Speaker 6: intoxicating hemp, so whether it's delta we have a Delta
Speaker 6: nine product that adulta nine THHD products And there's a
Speaker 6: lot of opinions on on on that whole that whole
Speaker 6: side of it, but just to be clear, see outlaud
Speaker 6: all of it, and that put us that's where we're
Speaker 6: wor play and that's one of the things they're looking
Speaker 6: at the state level right now is what is the
Speaker 6: definition of this? Because that's I think that's that's one
Speaker 6: of the gray areas that may exist that people may say, Okay,
Speaker 6: well what what did he outlauding the outloud delta did
Speaker 6: the outloge tox saying hemp? There is no definition tox
Speaker 6: saying amp, so what is that?
Speaker 2: But yeah, because the legislature in twenty and nineteen messed
Speaker 2: that whole thing up. They just said hamp instead of
Speaker 2: specifying hamp as in the fabric versus happened And that's.
Speaker 3: The quote unquote.
Speaker 2: But my point on that, though Bobby was and hear
Speaker 2: me out, is the fact that this whole thing was
Speaker 2: created by prohibition and that people saw the benefits of
Speaker 2: marijuana could use it responsibly legally saying hey, you don't
Speaker 2: I feel as bad as they do after alcohol and
Speaker 2: you know, opioids. I'm on that because I just had
Speaker 2: surgery and I'm like, I'd rather use the marijuana THHC
Speaker 2: as a pain relief and as a sleep aid as
Speaker 2: opposed to something that's habited forming and THD is not.
Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is all these you
Speaker 2: know ta whether it's Delta eight or Delta ten, and
Speaker 2: then people think, well, you know, they're chemical compounds and
Speaker 2: it's not the real it's because you prohibited people from
Speaker 2: getting it. And so to your point about market forces,
Speaker 2: people found a way around that and said, well, you
Speaker 2: know what, chemically, I can change it and it's still legal.
Speaker 2: So and you know, called a loophole is I think
Speaker 2: disingenuous the fact that you have a product that people want.
Speaker 2: You didn't make a product Bobby at fifty West and say,
Speaker 2: I wonder if people buy it. You knew there was
Speaker 2: a demand for it, and you jumped into it. And
Speaker 2: that's that you realize the American dream that way, now
Speaker 2: they're going we prohibited it, and now we're going after
Speaker 2: the thing that problem we created in the first place.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the frustrating part for us is that
Speaker 6: our customers that are drinking sunflour. They're doing it, most
Speaker 6: of them. This is a health conscious decision. This is
Speaker 6: not a this is this isn't you know, a different
Speaker 6: psychoactive that they prefer most of them. It's a it's
Speaker 6: an alternative alcohol that they believe in, not believe, but
Speaker 6: just healthier. The calories are less, it doesn't disrupt your sleep.
Speaker 6: So so I think that's that's what we're trying to
Speaker 6: understand and try to try to, you know, spread that
Speaker 6: message because we're the largest seller. I mean, we were
Speaker 6: selling more of that. Here's what's interesting. This is a
Speaker 6: five milligram THHC beverage. Now, if you went into the
Speaker 6: store and for ten dollars you could get five milligram
Speaker 6: beverage or for ten dollars you get fifty miligram beverage.
Speaker 6: Naturally you would probably think, well, I would take the
Speaker 6: fifty because I get more of it. Customers are buying
Speaker 6: the lower milligram beverage because they're looking for the healthy alternative.
Speaker 6: It's for the better miss of society, right, So for
Speaker 6: the band to be in place because of safety purposes, Uh,
Speaker 6: it seems a little you know, that's the part that's
Speaker 6: a little difficult for me to meet, it for me
Speaker 6: to grasp, and I feel bad for you know, they
Speaker 6: talked about the toxicology reports and things like that, and
Speaker 6: I'm sure there's validity to those, but you know, I
Speaker 6: would I would argue that if you look at the
Speaker 6: toxicology reports as it related to alcohol with the same
Speaker 6: same group, it would be exponentially greater question. And so
Speaker 6: if we were really trying to save the children here, like,
Speaker 6: are we talking about prohibition on alcohol? Because that I
Speaker 6: think that would stir ale a whole different, whole difference.
Speaker 7: We have.
Speaker 2: We have Bobby Slattery from fifty US, We have a
Speaker 2: litany and there's a long list of kids who have
Speaker 2: done I mean, vaping is a huge thing. And I
Speaker 2: mentioned that I had Jason Friedman on the Ohio CBD Guy.
Speaker 2: There's all vave products too. And if you get a
Speaker 2: container of nicotine liquid nicotine, it can kill you through
Speaker 2: through either usclar your skin, or whether you drink it
Speaker 2: or whatever. I mean, enough nicotine will kill a person.
Speaker 2: I know, we know enough alcohol will kill a person. Right,
Speaker 2: you can't kill a person with hamp and a THHD.
Speaker 2: Now does anyone want their kid quote unquote oding or
Speaker 2: taking a hump related product or CBD pre or THHD. No,
Speaker 2: of course not, because it's it's frightening for the kid
Speaker 2: to strike to be as a parent, and if it
Speaker 2: falls into kid's hands then that that is a huge problem.
Speaker 2: But I mean you just open fifty West in Deerfield
Speaker 2: Township and I've been there a couple of times. It's
Speaker 2: phenomenal volleyball and the whole vibe is great, and I
Speaker 2: look at that and go, that's awesome. People are out
Speaker 2: there and enjoying themselves. I see people drinking sunflower, which
Speaker 2: is the beverageer talking about here. How many kids a
Speaker 2: day do you serve at fifty West and feed them
Speaker 2: a sunflower and thch How often does that happen?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, never kids don't. I mean the
Speaker 6: kids come there for the milkshakes and the chicken fingers
Speaker 6: and the cheap version, and to be honest, the sand
Speaker 6: I think that's what we saw was especially in the
Speaker 6: family friendly space and people that are out there listening.
Speaker 6: If you've got kids and they play sports, you've been
Speaker 6: there on the Sunday after for the soccer game where
Speaker 6: the soccer team has to get together and you're like,
Speaker 6: I feel like I got to be social, but I
Speaker 6: really don't feel like drinking because I gotta go to
Speaker 6: work in the morning. And that's where we were seeing
Speaker 6: these sunflower beverages really take off. Was like it was
Speaker 6: the soccer team showing up and the moms being like,
Speaker 6: you know what, I don't feel like drinking, but I
Speaker 6: got to do something social, so I'll.
Speaker 3: Have one of these.
Speaker 6: So they were really falling somewhere in between what we
Speaker 6: call an na beverage and alcohol. This was sort of
Speaker 6: that in between medium, and it was awesome to see.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's been awesome and I think I think
Speaker 6: there's a real marketplace for that to continue. So I
Speaker 6: think the goal here though, is in one of the
Speaker 6: things that you know, it is right now there's no
Speaker 6: age regulation on this, and I think that that's something
Speaker 6: that we need to put into effect. Right So my goal,
Speaker 6: being an optimist, is let's reach out to the legislators.
Speaker 6: This was an extreme action taken by our governor, right
Speaker 6: like he took an extreme measure, I'm hoping that our
Speaker 6: legislators are going to take extreme measures to go make
Speaker 6: better loss because one of the things that he put
Speaker 6: in there was. If we can get this thing passed
Speaker 6: through and get some sort of bill and understanding of
Speaker 6: reasonable laws in place, well then we can go back
Speaker 6: to selling these things again. And so I can sit
Speaker 6: here and I can cry and say this isn't fair.
Speaker 6: We invested money and there's jobs at stake and all
Speaker 6: that stuff. Or I can sit here and fight and say, hey,
Speaker 6: we're going to make America better and we're going to
Speaker 6: find a way to put laws in place that makes
Speaker 6: sense for Ohio so we can get to the place
Speaker 6: where we.
Speaker 7: Want to be.
Speaker 6: And that's that's what my efforts are focused on right now.
Speaker 6: And you know I would I would rally people that
Speaker 6: are out there, reach out to your legislator, because that's
Speaker 6: that's how this thing's going to change. Yeah, and here
Speaker 6: and cry, cry on the sidelines and say this isn't fair,
Speaker 6: it's illegal. Why did you do this to me. It's like, hey,
Speaker 6: let's go change the laws. Let's go make Ohio better
Speaker 6: in place, and let's get this in a spot where
Speaker 6: we want it to be.
Speaker 2: Look, there are people out there. They're bad operators always
Speaker 2: gonna be bad. There's gonna be people who are buying
Speaker 2: the alcohol for underage kids, right, I mean that's happening,
Speaker 2: and if we've seen that happen. But in this case, Ana,
Speaker 2: you got some guy wants a gas station or carry
Speaker 2: out whatever selling THT laced sour Patch kids. And it
Speaker 2: looks like sour Patch Kids is some fifteen year old
Speaker 2: or a product that's Delta eight tilta ten product that's
Speaker 2: going to get them high. And there's a loophole there. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's a bad operator, mind book. You go after that person,
Speaker 2: you shut them down, You make an example to dissuade
Speaker 2: others from over sheer greed from doing the same thing.
Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about with fifty West and uh
Speaker 2: a drink that's intended for adults here, but yet we're
Speaker 2: casting everyone to the same lot.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's important circumstance that we're caught in right now.
Speaker 6: But you know, like like I said, this is just
Speaker 6: part of the fifty West story, Like we're going to
Speaker 6: go out there and we're going to help change the
Speaker 6: law and we're going to make it better so that
Speaker 6: the you know, on the positive, it's going to be
Speaker 6: good for our sales. When we get to fix on
Speaker 6: the positive, it's going to be good that we're going
Speaker 6: to eliminate the bad operators. But the only way to
Speaker 6: changes is through the legislators, and they really need to
Speaker 6: like this is time where they need to step up
Speaker 6: and they need to help help small businesses like us,
Speaker 6: help the consumers out there from you know, product products
Speaker 6: that potentially you know, are bad operators. I think I
Speaker 6: think it's a critical time in Ohio. And you know,
Speaker 6: the governor took a very bold it made a very
Speaker 6: bolde on this. Whether you agree with it, disagree with it, whatever,
Speaker 6: you know, all I can focus on is how do
Speaker 6: I make it? You know, the consumers are already smoke spoken.
Speaker 6: Just look at our sales, look at what's happening in
Speaker 6: the marketplace. Thank you, by the way, to everyone out
Speaker 6: out there that bought bought this, bought our products. The
Speaker 6: Sunflower thing it was. It was amazing to watch and
Speaker 6: it's going to continue to be. So let's go out
Speaker 6: there and fight figure out how to get this thing fixed.
Speaker 6: Like that's that's where my mine's.
Speaker 2: I gotcha before I let you go to put this
Speaker 2: in perspective, because this is a bad band goes an
Speaker 2: effect in ninety I don't know if we're going to
Speaker 2: get to ninety two, I think maybe the legislature wakes
Speaker 2: up and does something here finally. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: like if you're saying, okay, we're kind of peak craft beer,
Speaker 2: like people aren't drinking as much alcohol related profits. They're
Speaker 2: moving to the CBD and the TC related products and
Speaker 2: all that stuff, and it's a growing market share for you.
Speaker 2: The question would be, then can you survive without this?
Speaker 7: This is going to affect us.
Speaker 6: I mean, like, I mean, I'm going to survive no
Speaker 6: matter what happened. We made it through COVID, We made
Speaker 6: it through this is part of This is one of
Speaker 6: the best parts about being an entrepreneur, and if you
Speaker 6: want to be an entrepreneur out there, the best part
Speaker 6: our days are well they are days like today. This
Speaker 6: is when it's fun. The worst part about work is
Speaker 6: showing up and being like, all right, well, we're just
Speaker 6: you know, we're going to open the doors and we're
Speaker 6: going to do this. This this is when it's fun.
Speaker 6: So like, yes, we're going to survive it, Yes we're
Speaker 6: going to keep employing people. Yes, this is challenging, but
Speaker 6: like this is this is what makes my job fun
Speaker 6: and I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2: So how long does it take for you to produce
Speaker 2: a barrel of sunflower or our can of sunflow, because okay,
Speaker 2: that's ninety days. But you know, there's it's not like
Speaker 2: you can wake up and go, okay, I'm gonna make
Speaker 2: five hundred barrels of this stuff.
Speaker 6: How do you you know there's I mean, I mean,
Speaker 6: if you want to talk about the reality of the
Speaker 6: situation we're looking at, this is a product that took off.
Speaker 6: So when a product takes off, we gotta we gotta,
Speaker 6: we got to fruit. We get well, no, it's easy
Speaker 6: to say crank it out, but let's talk about you know,
Speaker 6: our fruit's coming out of one part of the country
Speaker 6: and our cans are coming out of another part of
Speaker 6: the country. So we we saw a massive demand and
Speaker 6: we're and now all of a sudden, we can't keep
Speaker 6: up with it. So we order all of this product.
Speaker 6: I mean, we've been this is months of work that
Speaker 6: now we have all these supplies. That's that's locked and
Speaker 6: you know, not allowed to use it. Right, So that's
Speaker 6: the that's the reality of the business. And and like
Speaker 6: I said before, I mean I can sit here and
Speaker 6: cry about it say it's not fair, but or you
Speaker 6: just got to go figure out how to fight and
Speaker 6: make it work.
Speaker 2: Well, let's try and get some let's try and get
Speaker 2: this fixed.
Speaker 4: Hum.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Call your legislators. Tell them, like, if you want
Speaker 6: the if you want these products because you love drinking
Speaker 6: them and and you're somebody that found some flower and
Speaker 6: and you know, helped grow that, call your legislator. If
Speaker 6: you're somebody that believes in you know, small business in
Speaker 6: America and you like my story, call them, you know, like.
Speaker 3: Help me out here.
Speaker 6: It's uh, it's this is fun. We're gonna, we're gonna,
Speaker 6: we're gonna figure it out, all I hope.
Speaker 2: So Hey, Matt, I appreciate calling in and jumping on
Speaker 2: the show this morning, Bobby and listening, and I thank
Speaker 2: you for that.
Speaker 6: I well, I appreciate you one coming out to our
Speaker 6: Nason location and saying the nice things about it and
Speaker 6: to talk about in the radio. I was coming in
Speaker 6: this morning. It's very frustrating. I tell you to sit
Speaker 6: here and have somebody keep throwing your name out there.
Speaker 7: I'm like, I got something to say, I got something.
Speaker 2: Hey, Well, I'm glad we you know, but it's on
Speaker 2: the same point though, like it's not like, you know,
Speaker 2: we're the odds of this, We're the same. We're rolling
Speaker 2: together here because this is that defends every sensibility I have.
Speaker 2: That that's someone like yourself and many others for that matter,
Speaker 2: not in brewing or maybe a CBD store owner whatever,
Speaker 2: or adults who simply want to enjoy something in the
Speaker 2: comfort of their own home or at the locations you
Speaker 2: talk about a fifty west uh. And to have a
Speaker 2: band come down in ninety days because it's about the
Speaker 2: children is offensive to everything I'm about.
Speaker 6: So ninety days it came down. It came down to
Speaker 6: five days.
Speaker 3: Well, five days, Yeah, I guess I should say.
Speaker 6: All right, right, we're gonna have a band for ninety Yeah,
Speaker 6: I got it.
Speaker 3: It's all right, Bobby, appreciate it. Good luck, man, Yeah,
Speaker 3: thank you, everybody. Take care.
Speaker 2: There you go, Bobby Slattery check it on the show
Speaker 2: this morning. Yeah, and look at the demand, and you're
Speaker 2: telling like, wait, man, I can't have this anymore. No,
Speaker 2: you can't have this anymore. Why, Well it's politics anyway,
Speaker 2: Alan Runner Light, I gotta get to new seven hundred
Speaker 2: w W.
Speaker 3: Scott here seven hundred WW. There finally be peace. Peace
Speaker 3: in our lifetime.
Speaker 2: There's a potential to end the two year war between
Speaker 2: Israel Hamas Prime Minister Benjamin NETANYAHUO said he's going to
Speaker 2: convene in the Israeli government. He's doing that today as
Speaker 2: we speak, to ratify the Seasfire agreement. And President Trump
Speaker 2: may travel at Egypt as soon as this weekend, and
Speaker 2: that's where the talks are being held to put in perspective.
Speaker 2: As doctor Mark Nzilaco, he's a UTI political scientist, also
Speaker 2: a Middle Eastern expert, former director International Studies Program, and
Speaker 2: founder of d's Human Rights Studies program.
Speaker 3: Mark, how you been.
Speaker 7: I'm fine? How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm fine. I think peace in the world is a
Speaker 3: good thing.
Speaker 2: I think when you see the people being ravaged, not
Speaker 2: only from what happened two years ago in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: to normal Israelis living their lives, to the bombing and
Speaker 2: Susan bombing of those in Gosam, any of those people
Speaker 2: not really other than the fact that they're chatteled in
Speaker 2: this whole mixed up conflict. Illustrates the absurdity and just
Speaker 2: how cruel we are to other human beings. And maybe
Speaker 2: we'll finally get peace. Peace at all asked and the
Speaker 2: question is will that piece last? Because I'm also well,
Speaker 2: I think the glass may be half full here. I
Speaker 2: think that there's some problems. We'll get into that. So
Speaker 2: let's talk about the deal real quick. Let me outline
Speaker 2: it in case you're not following this or just hearing
Speaker 2: it for the first time. Hamas has agreed to release
Speaker 2: all their remarrining hostages Israel. We will draw their withdraw
Speaker 2: their forces back to what they call the agreed upon
Speaker 2: yellow line. And this is just the first phase of
Speaker 2: the peace agreement. So it's going to be the hostages
Speaker 2: and then Palestinian prisoners get released, and then once that's
Speaker 2: finalized and within forty eight hours, all this is going
Speaker 2: to end. But there are some bombs going off today
Speaker 2: as a matter of fact. So first and foremost is
Speaker 2: this is phase one and that seems to be the
Speaker 2: easy phase. Phase two and beyond that's probably the more difficult.
Speaker 2: Can you lay that out?
Speaker 7: Oh well, I mean there's the twenty point plan. It
Speaker 7: was agreed to a week or so ago, very elaborate,
Speaker 7: very very elaborate, very detailed, and the phase where now
Speaker 7: is really just whatater or two wide, you know, and
Speaker 7: the key is really getting Hamas to lay it down
Speaker 7: its weapons and uh for Hamas to have no future
Speaker 7: Uh in any Palestinian administration that runs that that land.
Speaker 7: And that's that's a long that's a long stretch. That's
Speaker 7: that's when you've laid the foundations for genuine peace. The
Speaker 7: smoke hasn't cleared yet from a two year and very
Speaker 7: as you say, very very bloody, very very violent war.
Speaker 7: I mean destruction on almost unimaginable levels. So I mean
Speaker 7: just psychologically and emotionally. How do people who are already
Speaker 7: each other's throats, how do they recover from this? How
Speaker 7: they move forward? Uh, you know, gritter things. Maybe you
Speaker 7: haven't been done, but maybe the violence was precisely so
Speaker 7: bad that everyone finally wakes up and realizes that we
Speaker 7: have to find a means to h to coexist and
Speaker 7: live together. So I'll hope that's the goal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you hope so too. You just wonder how long
Speaker 2: it's going to last. And I kind of mentioned that
Speaker 2: in my preamble there, as you know, you're the professor
Speaker 2: in this conversation. You're the student of this more than
Speaker 2: I am. I can't count how many deals we've had
Speaker 2: in the past when it comes to different accords and
Speaker 2: the like. And that's not just Hummas but generally peace
Speaker 2: between Palestine in Israel itself. I mean the Also Accords
Speaker 2: back in the nineties, you had Camp David in two thousand,
Speaker 2: You've had summits and roadmaps for peace in the Annapolis
Speaker 2: Conference and Trump's peace plan from five years ago, and
Speaker 2: none of them went anywhere.
Speaker 3: Why is this the one?
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're exactly right. I mean, if those couldn't take
Speaker 7: hold in a much more favorable environment a peace than now, because,
Speaker 7: as I said a moment ago to the destruction, level
Speaker 7: of destruction is so great it's not even mistrust anymore.
Speaker 7: It's deep, deep hated hatred. So one could only hope
Speaker 7: that the violence was so immense that it shocked everybody
Speaker 7: into into a mind a mindset for a peace. But no,
Speaker 7: at this stage, we're looking what hostage you're coming back?
Speaker 7: I mean it's really intelligence is assessin that Hamas may
Speaker 7: even be able to return all the dead hostages because
Speaker 7: obviously because the yeah, so will we be released, which
Speaker 7: prisoners will be released? What will stay? You know? Still,
Speaker 7: the big piece is does Hamas retain any any power? Now?
Speaker 7: Both within Gaza among Palestinians, and certainly vis A vis
Speaker 7: Uh is real who's not going to stop hunting as?
Speaker 7: You know Israeli, So you're not going to stop hunting
Speaker 7: Hamas because they meet it. They they reached an agreement
Speaker 7: in Sharmol Shake, Egypt. So I mean the roots for
Speaker 7: violence are so deep that. Yeah. So it's work as
Speaker 7: hard as you can, as the UN says, get the
Speaker 7: house is out and get the aid in. Uh, but
Speaker 7: be realistic about uh, be realistic about the prospects for
Speaker 7: long long term piece.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't imagine Hamas is going to go away. Quiet,
Speaker 2: That's the thing is. And there's a couple of points
Speaker 2: in here too, is Hamas is going to lay down
Speaker 2: their arms and simply, guy, I just don't see this
Speaker 2: as kind of like the American Revolutionary War that all
Speaker 2: these combatants lay down their arms and go back to
Speaker 2: being gentlemen farmers.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, I don't see that at all.
Speaker 6: Uh, you know, I mean, you know there was back
Speaker 6: in the.
Speaker 7: Day, but Oswe accords when you know, elements at PLO
Speaker 7: fought that were coming and they had a terrorist background
Speaker 7: and they made a transition from that. But this Hamas
Speaker 7: is a different like his Bulla's a different beast. Here's
Speaker 7: the point, though, Gaza is is rubble and it really
Speaker 7: needs to be rebuilt.
Speaker 4: UH.
Speaker 7: The initial communities on this before port and billions and
Speaker 7: billions of dollars. Now what happened before was Hamas hijacked,
Speaker 7: that process hijacked. They were able to divert those nieces
Speaker 7: to missiles and tunnels and bombs and uniforms, all those
Speaker 7: all the belligerency material for war. So in the administration
Speaker 7: of this piece, if we move forward on this twenty
Speaker 7: point plant, there's the opportunity and there's really the imperative
Speaker 7: that the global community monitor their expendors, really control that
Speaker 7: process so that by by by administering Gaza UH really
Speaker 7: marginalizing Hamas there so Hamas will be could be at
Speaker 7: war UH with the self. Tell us to the ends
Speaker 7: up war with themselves. If Hamas is to retain is
Speaker 7: going to try to retain some influence.
Speaker 2: And that's the billion dollar question, man, how do you
Speaker 2: prevent that from happening? Because two things off the top
Speaker 2: of my head, mark Ensilaka, would be human nature, because
Speaker 2: you know the nature of having control as power and
Speaker 2: power as that comet and fear as part of that
Speaker 2: is the currency of power. And so, hey, how many
Speaker 2: regimes have we seen in the history of the world
Speaker 2: where someone's taken over and organization has taken over and
Speaker 2: it's become a total power grab. And again it's the
Speaker 2: has and the have nots. We take everything, we arm up,
Speaker 2: we scare the hell out of the people, and we
Speaker 2: keep them in line, whether it's this or pole pot
Speaker 2: or anybody else. And then the other thing is just
Speaker 2: out and out graft. Yeah, okay, we're going to have
Speaker 2: what the un oversee this? Yeah, good luck with that.
Speaker 7: Huh. Yeah. You know, there's an old expression in diplomacy
Speaker 7: that the devil lives in the details. It's easy to
Speaker 7: sort of reach. It's not easy, but it's possible to
Speaker 7: reach broad twenty point goals and have some sort of
Speaker 7: pacific vision of the future. But it's in the implement
Speaker 7: patient as you say, how many tons of food are
Speaker 7: going to go in per day? Really, how are you
Speaker 7: going to reconstruct the destroyed sanitation systems? I mean really,
Speaker 7: there is an opportunity out for God's propel us Indians
Speaker 7: in the new administration to build, not just rebuild Gaza,
Speaker 7: but build a new society there, and they're going to
Speaker 7: have to do it because it's literally rubble and it's
Speaker 7: literally great loss of life, great disruption. But there's going
Speaker 7: to be a you know, there's going to be an
Speaker 7: international relief effort. I hope we're part of that. We
Speaker 7: don't have to take it over, and that would be
Speaker 7: the number one could contribute a bit. We'll be involved clearly.
Speaker 7: The twenty Point Plan, as I understand it, sees a
Speaker 7: key role for a peace commission chaired by the President
Speaker 7: of the United States. So we're engaged. We're engaged very clearly,
Speaker 7: but it's in the details. Let's get it right, let's
Speaker 7: do it right.
Speaker 2: But the problem is the other part of the problem
Speaker 2: to us, we've seen in Afghanistan and backwards, is that
Speaker 2: we pay attention. Because we're Americans, We've got the attention
Speaker 2: span of a gnat, and we'll pay attention to what's happening.
Speaker 2: Once everything signed and the press opportunities over, we'll move
Speaker 2: on to the next shiney object. Uh, and then things
Speaker 2: will fall apart in the Middle East and we'll wonder
Speaker 2: what happened? Is that a possibility?
Speaker 7: Uh? Yeah, I mean certainly one would in his in
Speaker 7: the Maga world. Is this step of involvement in other
Speaker 7: countries wars that exactly what he promised to avoid. I mean,
Speaker 7: how how will his his loyalists, his most loyal supporters,
Speaker 7: how do they see? Uh, this Nobel Price comes out tomorrow,
Speaker 7: It's gonna be fascinating. Uhly fascinating.
Speaker 2: That's how I want to get it done right now,
Speaker 2: because he wants he wants he wants a Nobel prize.
Speaker 7: My my guess is that that the votes are at
Speaker 7: the end. Uh it would be interesting though, Uh, you know,
Speaker 7: the name should maybe bows around at Jerry Kushner. I mean,
Speaker 7: he's working behind the scenes for a long time. I'm
Speaker 7: not I'm not I'm not nominating him by any means,
Speaker 7: but uh, there are there is a there was a
Speaker 7: there has been a great deal of behind the scenes
Speaker 7: action uh in the Arab world, and it's gonna be
Speaker 7: fascinating to see with the passage of time what we
Speaker 7: learned about that process. History books are going to be fascinating,
Speaker 7: but those period time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's doctor Mark Ansilako at the University of Dating
Speaker 2: and Political Science professor there talking about maybe finally peace
Speaker 2: in the least between Israel and Hamas and regime change
Speaker 2: there and stopping the bombing, and it could happen relatively soon.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister of Israel NET and Yahoo is convening
Speaker 2: the Israeli government today to vote on this to ratify
Speaker 2: the ceasefire agreement. The other side, any, I don't We
Speaker 2: don't want to see a couple of bitter old men here.
Speaker 2: But you know we've seen this movie before, not just
Speaker 2: in our lifetime, into previous lifetimes. And you are a
Speaker 2: student of history, your political science professor, and history is
Speaker 2: the best indicator future behavior. And so if we're a
Speaker 2: little jaded and pessimistic about this, it's for good reason.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that this piece won't last. And hell,
Speaker 2: even if the piece lasts for six months, a year,
Speaker 2: two years, ten years, whatever, it is that that's better
Speaker 2: than these two sides blowing each other up, taking hostages,
Speaker 2: kill raping women, holding people hostage, and the other side
Speaker 2: bombing the hell out of civilians.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's you just laid out of panorama. That's really frightening.
Speaker 7: I mean yeah, I mean it's long term term. One thing.
Speaker 7: You would be always sure of the Middle East that
Speaker 7: there's something will flare up, Yes, but at the same time,
Speaker 7: and I don't want to be too optimistic about things,
Speaker 7: but the strategically the Middle East has changed a great deal.
Speaker 7: I mean because of the violence. I mean, obviously Hamas
Speaker 7: has been close to being destroyed, but you know Bila
Speaker 7: and the attack on Iran, with even the United States
Speaker 7: getting involved attacking the nuclear sites. I mean, so you
Speaker 7: hit this arc of countries that were hostile to Israel.
Speaker 7: There's an Israel sort of you know, took the fight
Speaker 7: to them, and that is weakened these organizations regionally and
Speaker 7: and strategically. Now I'm not simply saying, you know, we're
Speaker 7: a wonderful new world, you know, post War more we're
Speaker 7: to uh uh you know world. But yeah, there's been
Speaker 7: changes in the strategic environment, and maybe that could be
Speaker 7: a basis. I mean, you look at these golf states,
Speaker 7: Goha and all these emirates, all these they're fabulously wealthy.
Speaker 7: They're fabulously wealthy societies. And although there's just an attachment
Speaker 7: of palesiti and cause that I could rather than protrusive.
Speaker 7: I mean, there's a lot of people sort of want
Speaker 7: to get out into their lives and they'd probably rather
Speaker 7: talk to Jared Kushner about real you know, you know,
Speaker 7: Mediterranean seafront real estate. Then you don't want to run
Speaker 7: around in a singing alo roc bar uh and and
Speaker 7: blowing things up, So there could be really environment. I
Speaker 7: always argue that when I wrote my first book about
Speaker 7: violence in the Middle East Fromplex September September eleventh, it
Speaker 7: said looking at a different war, uh, you know against
Speaker 7: Alcada in Afghanistan. I simply said, you know this wills
Speaker 7: will this will end when mothers tell their children suicide
Speaker 7: in the act of blowing someone up is not you know,
Speaker 7: jihad in a way of Allah. You know, when when
Speaker 7: you dead, attitude changes, and one could probably say he
Speaker 7: is really sit inside too. Within the settler movement, the
Speaker 7: extreme sort of Zionist movements that are that have taken
Speaker 7: the vigilante law in their own hand. There's deep problems
Speaker 7: in these societies that speak against a long lasting peace.
Speaker 7: But one can build on what was in front of
Speaker 7: us right now, right now, there's a lot of rebuilding,
Speaker 7: of a lot of destruction, and and make the difficult
Speaker 7: initial steps in these peace press make these count.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you kind of hit on it there.
Speaker 2: And the big question then to summarize what you're saying
Speaker 2: on Slaco is this only works if both sides wanted
Speaker 2: to work.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I remember at the ends a chapter in my
Speaker 7: book once where one of the leaders back in the
Speaker 7: day said, we don't want peace. Peace would end all
Speaker 7: our hopes. I mean, if that's the mentality you have, yeah,
Speaker 7: you've got the you've got the permanent roots for for
Speaker 7: for future violence. But right now, clearly in the house
Speaker 7: to the inside is exhausted. I mean, it's really difficult
Speaker 7: to assess this because journalists have they not had access
Speaker 7: to little many have lost their lives in this conflict
Speaker 7: reporting from Gaza. But you know, one beginning to hear
Speaker 7: uh reports or inklings that Pelsis have turned on Hamas,
Speaker 7: and they're saying, you know, yes, there's way these did
Speaker 7: this great distraction to us. But you provoke them, you know,
Speaker 7: you poked the bear, uh. And so you know, Hamas
Speaker 7: Tamas militants will walk around with scars, greens, cigars are
Speaker 7: on the head and and and the goose step. But
Speaker 7: in point of fact, there is a serious, very serious
Speaker 7: defeat for them militarily and politically and and.
Speaker 2: On the only multi phases of the twenty point program.
Speaker 2: We're just in the first couple right now. This is
Speaker 2: only phase one, so we're a long way away from
Speaker 2: lasting peace at this point, even a seaspar because bombs
Speaker 2: are going off this morning.
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact.
Speaker 2: There as we moved to phase two in beyond, it
Speaker 2: was France, I believe, the first loft of the notion
Speaker 2: that Palestinian state whood should be a thing, and some
Speaker 2: other countries signed on to that and absolutely upset those
Speaker 2: of us in the West.
Speaker 3: How dare you do this?
Speaker 2: They come in two years ago and look what they did,
Speaker 2: and now you want to give them statehood and forget
Speaker 2: everything else. But it sounds like part of this plan
Speaker 2: is eventually that that's exactly what's going to happen. I mean,
Speaker 2: if Israel is pulling back to this yellow line, then
Speaker 2: they'll have a final determination where that is. That would
Speaker 2: then mean that some degree at Palestinian state.
Speaker 7: Right. Well, you know, I thought, I thought France and
Speaker 7: Great Britain announcing this a few weeks ago was really
Speaker 7: sort of and forgive me for putting on such plant
Speaker 7: terms sort of you know, media just some media start
Speaker 7: there is no Palestine the estate. I mean when you
Speaker 7: say to me, show me your state. The first thing
Speaker 7: I want to know is where are the boundaries? So
Speaker 7: and then who's your leadership Hamas? I mean it's it's
Speaker 7: nothing was going to come on this nonetheless, you know,
Speaker 7: and so I understand President Trump sort of trying to
Speaker 7: push back in our allies this tag pack you were rewarding.
Speaker 7: You said, exactly, wait, Scott, you're rewarding Hamas by giving
Speaker 7: them this price.
Speaker 6: But no, the fact, the long term fact is there's
Speaker 6: going to happen.
Speaker 7: The two States. So at some point you're going to
Speaker 7: so in the process of building, you know, when you
Speaker 7: when you really have to just make sanitation systems and
Speaker 7: water and deliver food and met you know, just the
Speaker 7: rudiments of running and government really, you know, particularly recovering
Speaker 7: one right, you can build trust, you can see that
Speaker 7: people can work together, and and that would has to
Speaker 7: be to go in building and rebuilding. I think we
Speaker 7: really have to lay the foundations, has to build on
Speaker 7: for a long term, long term priest. But the global community,
Speaker 7: and that means the United States. What President Trump is
Speaker 7: the chairman of this this Peace Commission order, it's called right,
Speaker 7: you said this, right, the global communities have to stay
Speaker 7: engaged in that. Yeah. Yeah, and that means the United
Speaker 7: States too.
Speaker 6: Turn our back on it.
Speaker 2: We turn our back on It's Afghanistan, it's Vietnam, it's
Speaker 2: all those things, and we just, you know, because the
Speaker 2: public we lose interest in and why are we supporting them?
Speaker 3: Why are we doing this? And it's it's going to
Speaker 3: be I think probably more low key than that.
Speaker 2: It's not like we have troops on the ground there,
Speaker 2: but in that regardless of this is something we're gonna
Speaker 2: have to stay on top of for a long time
Speaker 2: if you want it to work. All right, I gotta
Speaker 2: get going, doctor Mark ansiloco ud. I was appreciate the
Speaker 2: time in the in the good stuff. I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm sitting in one of your classes here. Thanks again
Speaker 2: for the time. I appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Have a good one.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, whether it lasts or not, we're going to
Speaker 2: find out. Although history is certainly not on their side.
Speaker 2: But man, you look at the devastation, the destruction, the
Speaker 2: human casuals, the toll. It's seventy thousand plus people. I
Speaker 2: mean that's a lot of people dying. And now it's
Speaker 2: over and hopefully you can go back to being that
Speaker 2: gentleman farmer. I don't know if a mos is gonna
Speaker 2: lay their arms down. I don't know if that's the thing,
Speaker 2: because there's always gonna be that streak. As soon as
Speaker 2: something goes sideways, they're gonna wind up game in more power.
Speaker 2: It's just the nature of the beast. Anyway, Quick time
Speaker 2: out news on the way slowly on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 3: The bells. Do you hear the bells? It could only
Speaker 3: mean one thing.
Speaker 1: It's real estate time with Michell Slow Remax, time agent
Speaker 1: and proud proprietor of Sloan sells Homes dot com. Heed
Speaker 1: her words or face her wrath on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: Well, the government shutdown. You don't have many numbers to
Speaker 2: go on, and that'll be dwindling as things progress here.
Speaker 2: But there's just a gut feeling the economy isn't good.
Speaker 2: Not that it's not doing fine, it's just, you know,
Speaker 2: slowly dropping a little bit by a little bit. Unemployment
Speaker 2: remains relatively low, but housing is a big indicator. And
Speaker 2: that's where my wife Michelle comes in and looking at
Speaker 2: some of these numbers. It could be better, right, it
Speaker 2: could be better. The numbers that we have we have
Speaker 2: a lot of new surveys coming out. They're not generated
Speaker 2: by the government necessarily, but a staggering ninety three percent
Speaker 2: of Americans believe housing costs are unreasonable.
Speaker 3: Unreasonable six out of ten. Yeah, people, that's a lot.
Speaker 11: And only three percent of the respondent said that housing
Speaker 11: costs were actually reasonable. Now, if you're looking at your
Speaker 11: at anything, if you're taking a survey, would you actually say, ah, yeah.
Speaker 3: It's pretty good. The things are good. Things are pretty good.
Speaker 2: Although there's another one that I saw as well, maybe
Speaker 2: you saw it too. I don't know who'd authored the study,
Speaker 2: so it's hard to say because you don't know. Could
Speaker 2: be a sample size of four people. But seven out
Speaker 2: of ten Americans young Americans believe that owning a home
Speaker 2: is a pipe dream.
Speaker 3: It will never happen. Yeah, sixty seven percent. I saw
Speaker 3: that as well.
Speaker 11: Sixty seven percent of Americans believe that home ownership is impossible. Impossible.
Speaker 11: Now that's pretty.
Speaker 3: Negative, pretty scary.
Speaker 11: It's pretty scary. I don't think it's impossible. But as
Speaker 11: you can see these two different things, you know, Americans
Speaker 11: are actually they're blaming everyone, and you know, they feel
Speaker 11: like there's the world is against them. And the way
Speaker 11: things are it does make it difficult.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 11: You know, everybody says we should I rent? Should I buy?
Speaker 11: You know what's the best way?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 11: As a real estate agent, I'm you're going to think
Speaker 11: that I'm always going to tell you to buy, but
Speaker 11: I'm not going to tell you to buy if you're
Speaker 11: not ready, and you're going to get yourself in over
Speaker 11: your head, so you don't want to do that. So
Speaker 11: sixty seven percent of Americans believe that home ownership is impossible.
Speaker 3: That's just crazy historic lows.
Speaker 11: And so we're we're trying to figure out how in
Speaker 11: the world can especially younger people, if you're less less
Speaker 11: than thirty half of our age, right and you don't
Speaker 11: have a home yet, how in the world do you
Speaker 11: do well?
Speaker 2: If you're saddled with student debt and you if you're
Speaker 2: someone who has to work a couple of jobs, a
Speaker 2: couple multiple jobs. Health insurance is going to be a
Speaker 2: big issue as well. We're seeing the rates of health
Speaker 2: insurance go up and people getting dropped left and right.
Speaker 2: Don't know what's gonna happen with Affordable Care Act, but
Speaker 2: I'm just talking about private insurance in that regard, that's
Speaker 2: a bad situation. We've seen generation after generation keeps delaying
Speaker 2: having children, if at all, And now we have people going,
Speaker 2: you know, I'll just have a dog. I'm fine, and
Speaker 2: not have a child, or maybe not even that. And
Speaker 2: so home ownership is not on the table for someone
Speaker 2: who can't afford a new car or a car in general,
Speaker 2: and is keeping their nose above water. And that's too
Speaker 2: many Americans, certainly, not all Americans, but it's it's the
Speaker 2: number itself is too big, and I guess that's why.
Speaker 2: And sadly, at a young age. You know, you tend
Speaker 2: to be more optimistic when you're younger, but younger people
Speaker 2: today to be more pessimistic, okay, And that has to
Speaker 2: do with social media, I think, and a lot of
Speaker 2: other factors as well, and some of the thoughts.
Speaker 11: As you know, people will make assumptions just based on
Speaker 11: their little world around themselves. Right, half of Americans are
Speaker 11: actually blaming investors for unreasonable housing costs because the thought
Speaker 11: is that investors are buying up all of the available properties.
Speaker 11: And actually that's not true. And it's hard to you know,
Speaker 11: people believe what they believe, but it's it's not always true.
Speaker 11: It's it's very popular to blame investors, but the housing
Speaker 11: economics is more still that same old adage of supply
Speaker 11: in demand. The driving cost is that we have a
Speaker 11: shortage of actual homes that are available to purchase, and
Speaker 11: investors only accounted for thirteen percent of home purchases in
Speaker 11: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: Thirteen percent. That's not very many.
Speaker 11: And most of those home purchases by investors were from
Speaker 11: mom and pop investors. So maybe it is mom and
Speaker 11: dad or grandma and grandpa who are helping the younger
Speaker 11: generation purchase their first home. And that's still considered an
Speaker 11: investment if you're not living in the property. So investors
Speaker 11: definitely own their share of housing stock, there's no question
Speaker 11: about it. But as far as that goes, they don't
Speaker 11: own it all. And investors are not the bad guy.
Speaker 11: You're always looking for a bad guy.
Speaker 2: Well they are when okay, here are these odd of
Speaker 2: state companies come in by a whole bunch of houses
Speaker 2: up and pay fairly well for them. But the problem,
Speaker 2: of course is the maintenance and the upkeep on them.
Speaker 2: And when you're not doing that, when you're not doing
Speaker 2: your due diligence and making sure that the housing's actually
Speaker 2: livable that causes the problem. But right, yeah, the numbers
Speaker 2: are what they are, right, So what one not every five.
Speaker 11: Investors? About thirteen to fifteen percent? Yeah, I thought, yeah,
Speaker 11: and that's where you know, those statistics were from realtor
Speaker 11: dot com, So pretty reliable source beyond investors and material
Speaker 11: costs that are making it difficult and unreasonable as far
Speaker 11: as housing costs are concerned. The third big let's let's
Speaker 11: see who we can blame is politicians. Politicians are being
Speaker 11: blamed for the lack of affordable homes. And you know,
Speaker 11: again it's all about the economy and the how you
Speaker 11: everybody feels about the economy and their own situation. I
Speaker 11: know that it is a lot of doom and gloom
Speaker 11: in that younger generation. They sure are like it's impossible
Speaker 11: to get ahead.
Speaker 2: Social discord Reddit, I mean, all that stuff is pretty
Speaker 2: toxic and negative. If you look at it, and if
Speaker 2: that's a steady data or you get your information, you know,
Speaker 2: the world sucks.
Speaker 3: There's no there's nothing good happening, right and them.
Speaker 11: You consider to be fed that negative energy. I'm going
Speaker 11: to say, and here's the thing, is it harder to
Speaker 11: buy a home than when we bought our first home. Yes,
Speaker 11: I believe it is because sure, but at the same time,
Speaker 11: there are a lot of things that young people can
Speaker 11: do to if that's something that they want to do.
Speaker 11: If you want to buy a home, you need to
Speaker 11: do some planning and you need to do some saving.
Speaker 11: And if you want to rent the rest of your
Speaker 11: life and you don't want the responsibility of buying a home,
Speaker 11: that's something you can absolutely do. But you will never
Speaker 11: build wealth, right, or at least it will be more difficult,
Speaker 11: let's put it that way.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can, but plenty of people do that
Speaker 3: in rent.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of the things you hear, and I hear this
Speaker 2: from older people too, is well why don't you just
Speaker 2: they just need to work harder, They just need to save,
Speaker 2: they need to like, well, you know that that because
Speaker 2: when I was your age, I well, when I was
Speaker 2: your age, it was like, you know, you could have
Speaker 2: a job. And I pointed this out the other day.
Speaker 2: With college, you know, and we subsidized college. And as
Speaker 2: an example, like generations ago, Will he talks about this
Speaker 2: like he went to college paid for it himself. There
Speaker 2: was no scholarships or anything like that. Owned a house,
Speaker 2: had a job, had a family, traveled, you know, did
Speaker 2: all this stuff and did it on a part time salary.
Speaker 3: Basically, that's laughable by today's standards. No one can do that. No,
Speaker 3: not not, I don't.
Speaker 2: We would go to college, work part time and have
Speaker 2: a house. How is that possible?
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's it's extremely difficult because actually, and you talked
Speaker 11: about it, most cars, the payment on a car, and
Speaker 11: it's like a mortgage, is like a mortgage. And so
Speaker 11: the average cost of a home in Cincinnati is between
Speaker 11: right around three hundred thousand dollars, And it used to
Speaker 11: be you could buy your first starter home at one
Speaker 11: hundred thousand dollars or less, right and you know, you're
Speaker 11: not seeing that anymore now. Of course, it's just the
Speaker 11: cost of living is so much different now than it was.
Speaker 11: But if you look at what people are being paid,
Speaker 11: it's not always it doesn't happen for decades. Now, Well,
Speaker 11: what's happened.
Speaker 2: There's been a disconnect between wages and the GDP like
Speaker 2: it used to prior to nineteen eighty right about there.
Speaker 2: It used to say, you know, once GDP went up,
Speaker 2: when your company's making more money, employees make more money.
Speaker 2: And it lists all boats and we kind of went
Speaker 2: in the other direction there, and now this is decades
Speaker 2: of that. So if you don't have enough money to
Speaker 2: buy what you're making it work or service, you're giving
Speaker 2: it work. Then that's what's going to happen in the economy.
Speaker 2: Most of it's a consumer economy here. I mean, we're
Speaker 2: still doing fairly well by world standards, but for younger
Speaker 2: people they feel left out.
Speaker 3: And it's a whole bunch of reasons why it is.
Speaker 3: But you here's the thing.
Speaker 11: If you want to buy a home, you can, and
Speaker 11: so it's going to take the planning of saving because
Speaker 11: you need a down payment, right, It's going to take
Speaker 11: making sure that your credit is not in the.
Speaker 2: Crapper, right, you know, talk to someone another failure of
Speaker 2: the education system.
Speaker 11: Well, and credit people look at the credit and we
Speaker 11: know people very close to us who have maxed out
Speaker 11: all those credit cards and then only make the minimum payment.
Speaker 3: You'll never ever ever.
Speaker 2: Catch up, and then complain about not getting head. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: you went on vacation, you couldn't afford you know, you're
Speaker 2: getting whatever you're spending your money on.
Speaker 3: Lifestyle is so it's like, well, I want to. We
Speaker 3: want to live for now, and you know, you never know.
Speaker 3: It's try it.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow's not promise, but then it's a priority. It's like,
Speaker 2: if you want to live for now, then you're never
Speaker 2: going to be able to save enough to buy house.
Speaker 3: So I think for many, many years we didn't have
Speaker 3: any fun. We did not have any fun. We still
Speaker 3: don't have that much fun. Well, I think we have
Speaker 3: some fun and it's fun. Yeah, but I get it.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's people there's something to be said about
Speaker 2: living in the moment. We try to do that, but
Speaker 2: when you're coming up, it's awfully hard.
Speaker 11: It absolutely is. So you know, you can rent and
Speaker 11: you can find ways. It may just it may be different.
Speaker 11: The way things are done today is different than the
Speaker 11: way we did it, as it will be tomorrow and
Speaker 11: it will and that's just part of life and you
Speaker 11: have to figure it out. So if you want to
Speaker 11: buy a home, you're going to have to start planning
Speaker 11: and it could take a year, it could take two years.
Speaker 3: Here's one thing.
Speaker 11: The statistic is just in the last seven days in Cincinnati,
Speaker 11: over five hundred homes had a price reduction.
Speaker 3: Okay, what does that tell you?
Speaker 11: What it tells me is there are opportunities out there
Speaker 11: because homes are sitting on the market longer and sellers
Speaker 11: are starting to get a little nervous. We're going into
Speaker 11: those colder months. And if your home is sitting on
Speaker 11: the market, you have two choices. You can number one,
Speaker 11: lower the price. Number two, you can just sit on it.
Speaker 11: And the longer that it sits, the longer that it
Speaker 11: will sit. You know, if you do nothing, likely nothing
Speaker 11: is going to happen. You can do updates and relist
Speaker 11: the property and try to, you know, improve the property.
Speaker 11: But it's always about condition, location, and price. A home
Speaker 11: will sell. We know that from twenty years ago when
Speaker 11: we had the Great Recession, when homes were on the
Speaker 11: market for a year or more, they eventually sold. Now
Speaker 11: did they get the prices that the sellers wanted?
Speaker 3: Not always. It's no, you don't get to set. The
Speaker 3: market sets the rate for so.
Speaker 11: A home is you can price it as high as
Speaker 11: your neighbors sold two years ago. But two years ago
Speaker 11: we were kind of at the height of the market.
Speaker 11: We aren't there anymore.
Speaker 3: So we are you saying houses are decreasing in value?
Speaker 3: Is that what you just said? I am saying.
Speaker 11: We are definitely seeing a more stable type of a situation.
Speaker 3: So by now this is a money loser, is what now?
Speaker 3: I cannot say that. I did not say that. No,
Speaker 3: here's the thing.
Speaker 11: You're not going to be You're as not reasonable to
Speaker 11: think you're gonna make ten percent on your home every year,
Speaker 11: year after year.
Speaker 3: You don't do that. The markets you're not gonna tell.
Speaker 11: You you're not going to So right now we're more stable.
Speaker 11: You may only see a one percent increase. You may
Speaker 11: not see the giant, ginormous increase in your in the
Speaker 11: value of.
Speaker 3: Your home, all right.
Speaker 11: Bottom line, bottom line is if you want to buy
Speaker 11: a home, you can don't believe all the hype in
Speaker 11: it and all of the headlines, because yeah, headlines are
Speaker 11: just headlines. They're the to scare you, right, and don't
Speaker 11: be scared.
Speaker 3: Clickbait, that's right, Watch out for a clickbait.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 2: You want to know that you spend a lot of
Speaker 2: time in the evening hours when you're not working. You
Speaker 2: work awfully hard, but at home you're clickbait, and everything
Speaker 2: I do tend to look at the headline and then oh,
Speaker 2: never mind.
Speaker 7: Not true.
Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey's coming to the Bengals. No, he's not, Michelle.
Speaker 2: He said he's coming to Cincinnati. It's coming for the game.
Speaker 2: That's not what this says. Oh yeah it does.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it does swipe. So you have to read
Speaker 3: the fine print in the fine print.
Speaker 11: And if you have a question, call me Michelle Sloan's
Speaker 11: loans hell swomes dot com.
Speaker 3: Do you like that, Yeah, it's really good. Just talk
Speaker 3: to her. Yeah, just call her to say hot, you
Speaker 3: can't yet a little bit, Yeah she does. She's chatty.
Speaker 3: She's chatty that way. My wife Michelle actually talked all
Speaker 3: about real estate today. Nothing.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then you're still driving me around for another week.
Speaker 11: So yeah, I'm still driving mister Daisy. It's it's getting
Speaker 11: he's kind of getting old. I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you got to get up. You're used to
Speaker 3: sleeping in.
Speaker 11: It's a kindergarten situation. Remember when the kids were in
Speaker 11: kindergarten and they were only in school for a short time,
Speaker 11: and then it's like you just get started on a
Speaker 11: broad turn back, turn.
Speaker 3: Around and go pick them up again. It is like kindergarten.
Speaker 3: It's like for you, it's kindergarten.
Speaker 11: I have to get up earlier than I liked to,
Speaker 11: and then I have to turn around and get you
Speaker 11: up and get you pick you up around noon.
Speaker 2: And funny part the first day she did that here,
Speaker 2: she actually took a sign instead of where I was
Speaker 2: supposed to go and pinned it to my shirt. All right,
Speaker 2: my wife Michelle Sloan Slow Sloan sells homes dot com
Speaker 2: Open house show that's on the iHeartRadio app where you
Speaker 2: get your podcast also YouTube as well. In Mainville, Remax time,
Speaker 2: gotta go, love you, thanks again, and uh, all right,
Speaker 2: you go warm the car up for a couple mon
Speaker 2: it's kind of cool out this money. You go warm
Speaker 2: the car up, go downstairs, pull it around.
Speaker 3: I'll warm it up.
Speaker 4: Warm her.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm gonna milk you like this. I'm gonna milk
Speaker 2: this leg thing for a long time. Curb service.
Speaker 3: This is not nice. This is nice anyway.
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