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Speaker 2: facts dot org. Hi, Paul, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: A lot? A lot is going on.

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Speaker 2: There's lots of moving parts, there's lots of stuff happening,

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Speaker 2: There's lots going on behind the scenes. There's lots going

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Speaker 2: on for you and I to discuss.

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Speaker 5: Yes, even though this is maybe the most boring January

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Speaker 5: I've ever covered since I've been covering, the Bengals is

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Speaker 3: It has continuity, is boring continuity is boring.

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Speaker 5: There's really there's not a lot happening in terms of,

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Speaker 5: you know, all the other storylines across the NFL. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: coaching changes and big time free agents. People about to

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Speaker 5: go to Radio Row. Maybe they are about to go

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Speaker 5: to Radio Row and stir it up because the Bengals

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Speaker 3: But I doubt that.

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Speaker 2: I'm hopeful that there's some Joe Burrow nuggets that come

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure that would be great. Yeah, that's all we

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Speaker 3: like a chia pet of news that would be That

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Speaker 3: would be awesome. Yet, yeah, it is remarkably quiet. But

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Speaker 3: that's where you come in because we have the highlight.

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Speaker 3: When nothing happens, you make something.

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Speaker 2: Of the early portion of the off season, the mock

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Speaker 2: off season. If you don't know what the mock off

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Speaker 2: season is, if you go to the Athletic dot com,

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Speaker 2: Paul obviously covers the Bengals for the Athletic, there is

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Speaker 2: your chance to be Duke Tobin and Katie Blackburn all

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Speaker 2: at once. Where you get the spreadsheet, you get a

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Speaker 2: chance to do whatever you want with the roster within

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Speaker 2: the limits that the Google doc will will provide Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you can cut players, You could sign players, You

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Speaker 2: could extend players contracts. You could even restructure Joe Burrow's

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Speaker 2: you could basically go through the exercise of building the

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Speaker 2: a fun exercise that could at times be absolutely mad.

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Speaker 5: Why I like it and I give this same spiel

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Speaker 5: every year is that free agency is always filled.

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Speaker 3: With oh, sign that guy, oh sign him, Oh.

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Speaker 5: They should extend this person, without any thought of the

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Speaker 5: that's why this is great. You get a little bit

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Speaker 5: I thought I did an overhaul. Yeah, I agree. I

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Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like that coming through this today. No.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the way I have framed it, and I

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Speaker 2: Day two Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight not even on

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Speaker 2: Paul Danner Junior from The Athletic and the Growler podcast

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Speaker 2: is here. His mock offseason exercise is fun and you

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Speaker 2: should participate. The Athletic dot com. One thing that stood

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Speaker 3: Burrow restructure option. I did. I did not select it.

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Speaker 3: yeah you can. You can take he spelled it out.

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Speaker 5: Doubling down on continuity and while everyone's promoting from within

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Speaker 3: could feel like you are building around these two pieces

441
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Speaker 3: premium positions and outside that you drafted and developed and

442
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,120
Speaker 3: now you can retain and say this is what we're about. Like, yes, yes,

443
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Speaker 3: that makes all the sense in the world.

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Speaker 2: I mean there should be in an ideal world, not

445
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Speaker 2: the same sort of event, but the dual press conference.

446
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: Here's Dax, here's DJ. They both got their deals done,

447
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Speaker 2: let's talk about it. I feel like there's almost no

448
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Speaker 2: chance that happens. For whatever reason. Maybe DJ does say, oh, man,

449
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Speaker 2: like I'm gonna go have a great year, and then dude,

450
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Speaker 2: here I am. Maybe, but signing two guys similar stages

451
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Speaker 2: of their career with one year left on their respective

452
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Speaker 2: deals to contract extensions. This offseason feels like something that

453
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 2: they're just they're not going to be able to wrap

454
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Speaker 2: their brains around successfully enough to get done.

455
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Speaker 3: Because these things always end up in a fight, right

456
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 3: they always that's tract. So that to me, I just

457
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Speaker 3: you know what, I'll get one done and leave the other.

458
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Speaker 3: So for me, I just I signed. It could have

459
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Speaker 3: been it could have been one or the other, but

460
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Speaker 3: it wasn't gonna be both.

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Speaker 5: You just want to have I know, not you because

462
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Speaker 5: you love the content, but like you know, it's just

463
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Speaker 5: gonna fall in line. It just feels destined. These guys,

464
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 5: they they are so perfectly set to the template of

465
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Speaker 5: the previous players that we've seen come down this line.

466
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 5: It just gets dragged out, it gets fought over. So

467
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Speaker 5: the idea that they would maybe change their ways, and

468
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Speaker 5: you know, I would be the first one to stand

469
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Speaker 5: up and say this is different if they actually went

470
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Speaker 5: out there and did it without the haggling and all

471
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Speaker 5: the other stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's hard to say that. You see that

473
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Speaker 3: coming a little bit later on.

474
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna make you do something that every football writer

475
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Speaker 2: has to hate.

476
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: We'll get to that shortly before four o'clock. This isn't

478
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Speaker 5: about the Jacksonville Jaguars thing again, is it?

479
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Speaker 3: No good? I don't want to have to go back

480
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Speaker 3: down that. No, I have to hate that.

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Speaker 2: This has nothing to do with the Jacksonville Jaguars. No,

482
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Speaker 2: I forgot about that.

483
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Speaker 3: League, Lyn Jones. No, We've moved on.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna but I'm gonna make you do something that

485
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Speaker 2: I think every football writer has to hate. I need

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Speaker 2: you to weigh in on the world's greatest athlete, uh,

487
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Speaker 2: the overreaction to the snow game in Denver. But first

488
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Speaker 2: we have to talk about Joe Brady being the coach

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516
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Speaker 2: Joe Brady is going to be the head coach of

517
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Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills. He has been their offensive coordinator for

518
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Speaker 2: the last season and a half and in revenues. They're

519
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Speaker 2: still waiting to find out if their games will be

520
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Speaker 2: on tvnf I'll have any money to sign any players,

521
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Speaker 2: Paul Danner Jr. From It's true they're waiting, true, right,

522
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Speaker 2: that's the the or LIMBA gotta find out are the

523
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Speaker 2: games going to be on TV? And if so, will

524
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Speaker 2: we get any money from it? And if if so,

525
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,479
Speaker 2: they can they can sign some more guys. Maybe as

526
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Speaker 2: long as the other teams wait around to see if

527
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Speaker 2: the Red's TV situation, sure they will. Oh yeah, I

528
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 2: can imagine all those other clubs like Bill Bob, Hey, Nick,

529
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Speaker 2: let's just wait for you, wait for you. Yeah, let

530
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Speaker 2: us fan out, let us know, and then well then

531
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Speaker 2: we'll compete for a u haaneos Horez. The Joe Brady

532
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 2: thing is going to be hilarious in a not fun way.

533
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: If if he coaches Josh Allen to unprecedented heights and

534
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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and Zach Taylor go seven to ten.

535
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Speaker 3: Next year, sure, Yeah, I mean, are you ready for that?

536
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 3: I guess are you ready for that? I don't care.

537
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 3: I mean, and there's a lot of things that'll be

538
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 3: hilarious next year. If this team goes seven and ten,

539
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: that's one of them added to the list, right, I

540
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Speaker 3: don't you know?

541
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Speaker 2: Folks have wanted Joe Brady to be the Bengals coach

542
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Speaker 2: since before Joe Burrow played a game here.

543
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and now we'll see if he's a good coach

544
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 5: or not. Because it's one thing to be a good coordinator,

545
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 5: it's another thing to now be the head coach. And

546
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 5: we'll see if that's who Joe Brady is.

547
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: Maybe he is they maybe the coup.

548
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 3: Happened in Buffalo and this was all everybody saw. They

549
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Speaker 3: didn't want Joe Brady to walk out the door. They'd

550
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 3: never problem with Sean McDermott walk out the door. I

551
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe this was Josh Allen pulling some rank

552
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Speaker 3: and being like, I want my guy. We can't let

553
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Speaker 3: him leave.

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Speaker 5: I have no idea I understand why people would be like,

555
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Speaker 5: it'd be great to have Joe Brady here. We don't

556
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Speaker 5: know if Joe Brady's a good head coach.

557
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Speaker 3: I just maybe he will be we just I have

558
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Speaker 3: been told, never been a head coach.

559
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Speaker 2: I have been told for the last seven years, Joe

560
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Speaker 2: Brady is the next big thing in the NFL.

561
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Speaker 3: Even when he was flaming out in Carolina.

562
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, because he can then come to Cincinnati and

563
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Speaker 2: take over here. That didn't happen. So if it works

564
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Speaker 2: out in Buffalo, just stand by be ready. Yeah, sure

565
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Speaker 2: it sounds it sounds great. I mean, he obviously is

566
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 2: smart when he when he's had Joe Burrow and Josh Allen,

567
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: it has gone really well. A little tear came to

568
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Speaker 2: my eye on Saturday night when I opened up social

569
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Speaker 2: media and I saw a tweet from Gino Stone picture

570
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Speaker 2: of him and his his Bengals uniform thrown up deuces. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing saying goodbye to his fans in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: All right, who are those?

573
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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I don't know who they are, but I thought, like

575
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Speaker 2: you know, it hasn't worked out. Yeah, and Gino Stone

576
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: played poorly so often that he became the subject.

577
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Speaker 3: Of my ire. But there's a part of me that like,

578
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Speaker 3: I'll kind of miss picking on him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, he was a pretty central part of

580
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Speaker 5: your program. Firstus oh yes, yes, yeah, I mean yes,

581
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 5: he named your dog after him. I did so, So

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Speaker 5: what I wanted to do is I was on Saturday

583
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Speaker 5: night while watching.

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Speaker 3: The Bearcat game, which was how that go.

585
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Speaker 2: It was like watching a team of Geno Stones play

586
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Speaker 2: against Arizona.

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Speaker 3: Stateium of Geno Stones.

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Speaker 2: I was looking at some of the replies and I, well,

589
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Speaker 2: I felt like Gino probably didn't need to throw up

590
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: deuces to Bengals fans. And then I thought like maybe

591
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: this is ironic, like kind of funny way of going, Hey,

592
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Speaker 2: I know you're not going to miss me, so see ya.

593
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: The replies were not nice, like, for instance, Travis said

594
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Speaker 2: to him, hey, you missed three tackles making this tweet.

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00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: Tyler Uh just replied with a picture of a parking cone. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's see. Sorry it didn't work. This is from Jungle Rats.

597
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: Sorry it didn't work out. But you made a lot

598
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Speaker 2: of bad business decisions this year that hurt the team.

599
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: Now this, this person here, the legend Jordan, one of

600
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Speaker 2: the worst safeties we've ever had. In my opinion, you

601
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Speaker 2: won't be missed. So I am oh here, Thank God,

602
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: say hello to the Birmingham Stallions for me. Not bad.

603
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: I like that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of folks were really nice. Hey,

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00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: best of luck just wasn't a good fit. God bless you,

606
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: thank you for your time as a Bengal. So people

607
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: were this guy wrote something really profane that I can't

608
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Speaker 2: say on the air, but anyway, there was a slight

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Speaker 2: moment of sadness that this two year run that I

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Speaker 2: have not enjoyed in the least but have mind for

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Speaker 2: content is over.

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Speaker 5: Genostone learning what the Bengal social media admins have been

613
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Speaker 5: experiencing for.

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Speaker 3: A while now.

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Speaker 9: That would always crack me up, as like Bengals social

616
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 9: media like would be sitting here and they would like

617
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Speaker 9: post something and they would underneath that in the replies

618
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Speaker 9: of that post would just be nothing but getting absolutely

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Speaker 9: crushed no matter what it is.

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Speaker 3: It could be intercept cancer yes right, and below it

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Speaker 3: is just.

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Speaker 5: Awful profane things about whoever posted this And so ginostone

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Speaker 5: falling in line with.

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Speaker 2: That, Yeah, my grandmother passed away in twenty twenty and

625
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Speaker 2: I posted a photo of her as a young woman

626
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Speaker 2: and said, you know, lost my grandmother yesterday. This woman

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Speaker 2: helped raise me and if I recall correctly, the the

628
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Speaker 2: tweet immediately afterward was about how John Brannon sucks.

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Speaker 3: So it's I mean, such as Twitter, right, if you're

630
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Speaker 3: gonna choose to be on there, this is what it is.

631
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Speaker 2: Speaking of Twitter, do football writers despise having to address

632
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Speaker 2: posts sent to the world by Dove climbing?

633
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Speaker 3: Oh? Is this the bane of your existence? What do

634
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Speaker 3: you remember? Do you this happened to me?

635
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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 2: I don't remember.

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Speaker 3: This was.

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Speaker 5: It was about T Higgins And it was maybe three

639
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Speaker 5: years ago, okay, right before. I mean it was in

640
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Speaker 5: like the round this time of year, and I wrote

641
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 5: a story something about things going on in the offseason

642
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 5: and had a section about what was going to happen

643
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Speaker 5: could happen with T Higginson, And it was taken so

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00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 5: far out of context as you could ever imagine. Got

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00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 5: Kleiman tweeted out everybody put it out there. People were

646
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 5: just crushing me left and right, to the point I

647
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Speaker 5: had to put up a like three part reply tweet

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Speaker 5: explaining how stupid this is, that this is what's actually

649
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 5: put out there, including screenshots from inside the story of

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Speaker 5: what was actually written.

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Speaker 3: Yes, truly, m L Football.

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00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dove Kleinman like.

653
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 5: The absolute worst, the absolute rage baiting aggregation football.

654
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Speaker 3: Yea, those are so I have been dubbed before, so yes, don't.

655
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: Climban tweeted out a video of Davante Adams, who played

656
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: in his fifth conference championship game for the Rams and

657
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: they lost, and as he's talking very patiently with reporters,

658
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: there's a beer, like have you seen this tweet? I

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Speaker 2: don't know that I saw the So there's Davante. I

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Speaker 2: gotta there's Davante and the beer, and Dove or Dove writes,

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Speaker 2: this is not a good look. It's not not a

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Speaker 2: good look adult having a beer a beverage after their

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Speaker 2: season of getting in like twenty car crashes is over.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Probably, I mean par for the course, okay, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean this is this is this is what it

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Speaker 3: is like, this is how he makes money. What is

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Speaker 3: the thing I can say here that would get most

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Speaker 3: the most people mad? And in my comments, Dove has.

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Speaker 2: Three hundred and eighty point one thousand people following him up.

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Speaker 5: So gross everything about it, I just it's, well, here's

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Speaker 5: the thing. Like in our job, my job is to

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Speaker 5: try to communicate things as clearly as I can and

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Speaker 5: what I know, and that's all I try to do.

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Speaker 3: And so when you spend so much time doing that,

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Speaker 3: and then you just get some other factor coming in

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Speaker 3: and just trying to absolutely undo all of that, and

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Speaker 3: then it's like out of the bag.

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Speaker 5: You know, anytime anything goes viral, Yeah, like you can't

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Speaker 5: stop it. This is what people now are gonna think,

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Speaker 5: all because this guy's just trying to find a way

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Speaker 5: to do rage bait on the internet and you're the victim.

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Speaker 5: Yeah it's it's awful, but there's nothing you can do

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Speaker 5: about it except not go on the internet.

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Speaker 2: The AFC Championship game, the second half was played in

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Speaker 2: a snowstorm. I liked it, loved it. I thought it

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Speaker 2: was great television. I thought it made that game and

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Speaker 2: added an element of cinema to an already important game,

688
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Speaker 2: made the game feel even bigger. It put a premium

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Speaker 2: on strategy, put a premium on points, put a premium

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Speaker 2: on coaching the game the right way early because you

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Speaker 2: knew the snow was gonna come now. In response to this,

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Speaker 2: many have countered that this is why they should play

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Speaker 2: those games on neutral sites.

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Speaker 3: Get out of here.

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Speaker 2: Is that the most ridiculous take that's out there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I.

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Speaker 5: Probably has something. Yeah, Yeah, you can't drink while having

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Speaker 5: that take. I don't know like this is this drives

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Speaker 5: me nuts in that Do you want it to be

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Speaker 5: more like college football where they're playing No, where fans

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Speaker 5: have to try. No, you earn the right to play

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Speaker 5: in your home and your surroundings and your place and

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Speaker 5: your and you are a team built to play and

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Speaker 5: be a be a part of whatever the weather conditions

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Speaker 5: are in your town. You only think Broncos players aren't

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Speaker 5: prepared to go play in the snow. Maybe didn't work

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Speaker 5: out for him this time, but whatever, like they know

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Speaker 5: what they're getting themselves into.

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Speaker 3: Any what do you remember about the Freezer Bowl?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't remember anything because I didn't ten people

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Speaker 2: listening that were all the one hundred thousand people that

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Speaker 2: were all there. They they remember.

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Speaker 3: You remember it for these types of things? Do you

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Speaker 3: remember the snow games? And the other reason why I

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Speaker 3: love it is like I I enjoy watching Sundays of

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Speaker 3: golf tournaments. Okay, not because the weather. Every course is different. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it plays to different strategies. You've got to be able

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Speaker 3: to be a consistent winner to prove that you can

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Speaker 3: win different ways, that you can handle different things. You

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Speaker 3: can have certain shot shapes, you can you can handle

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Speaker 3: different challenges on each course, the same way with going

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Speaker 3: through an NFL playoffs. Okay, if you want to go

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Speaker 3: and make it to the super Bowl, you've got to

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Speaker 3: win different ways, in different conditions, against different types of

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Speaker 3: teams and different environments. That is the beauty of football.

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Speaker 5: At least it is for another five to ten years

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Speaker 5: until we're on nothing but all these billion dollars you know, dumps. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and I hate that that's going away little by little,

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Speaker 5: you know, the Cleveland's and probably Chicago's, I guess, and

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Speaker 5: like whatever, all these places that are building these makes

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Speaker 5: me kind of sick because that's when you see the

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Speaker 5: old highlights and there's just there's snow on the ground

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Speaker 5: and stuff like That' Like it's great, that's the sport.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's the fun of the sport.

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Speaker 5: Yes, And so I hate that that it's we're trying

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Speaker 5: to turn it into this perfect environment and I just

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Speaker 5: I hate that.

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Speaker 3: I love games like that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, threw it off, Yeah, it made it different, But

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Speaker 5: there were different ways that they had to go about

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Speaker 5: trying to win that game.

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Speaker 3: And uh, the Patriots did in Denver did.

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Speaker 2: Who was the best coach in the AFC North. Right now,

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Speaker 2: you got Mike McCarthy has won a Super Bowl. You

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Speaker 2: Jesse Minner, a hot young assistant Cincinnati Ties, Zach Taylor

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Speaker 2: has coached them a super Bowl, and then the head

747
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Speaker 2: coach of the Cleveland Browns like Harvey the Rabbit right now,

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Speaker 2: I don't know who it's gonna be.

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Speaker 3: Whoever says yes, Uh, you can't say Jesse Minner.

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Speaker 2: He may be right.

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Speaker 5: We don't know anything. It's the same thing as about

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Speaker 5: Joe Brady. We don't know anything about him as a

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Speaker 5: head coat coach. Because you're a good coordinator does not

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Speaker 5: mean you're a good head coach, is it?

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Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy. I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: He certainly doesn't have the tools that you would think

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Speaker 5: he would need around him to make that thing work.

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Speaker 5: Right now, and it's not whatever's gonna happen in Cleveland,

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Speaker 5: I guess I guess it's Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 3: I don't you know.

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Speaker 5: I think that's they're probably all a put him in

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Speaker 5: a hat right now.

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Speaker 2: Did you watch any of Mike McCarthy's press conference in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: I saw a few snippets.

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Speaker 2: I say this as someone who hates getting dressed up.

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Speaker 2: No one has ever looked less comfortable in a suit.

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Speaker 2: Then I got it right here, nobody has ever looked

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Speaker 2: less comfortable in a suit.

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Speaker 3: Look at look at that. It looks like it looks

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Speaker 3: like it's a little too tight around the neck. Maybe

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Speaker 3: it's like the same one that he used for his

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Speaker 3: his Cowboys press conference. And he's like put on a

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Speaker 3: couple albe.

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Speaker 2: Since he looks like an eleven year old kid who

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Speaker 2: has to go to a funeral and mom's gonna make

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Speaker 2: him get dressed up. But he hasn't been a JC

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Speaker 2: penny in like two and a half years, and so

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Speaker 2: they're squeezing him into this. And again, I hate wearing suits.

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Speaker 2: No one has looked less comfortable in a suit than

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Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 5: And I feel like no town would have more accepted

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Speaker 5: him showing up and what you're used to seeing and

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00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 5: did the you know, just like a little little hoodie

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Speaker 5: or whatever and just rolled on out there. They've been like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: our type of guy.

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Speaker 2: Major opinion on one more thing. Did you watch the

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00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 2: guy climb the building on Netflix?

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Speaker 3: I again I saw I did not like put in

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Speaker 3: the whole time, but I did see some of.

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00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 2: The greatest athlete in the world. Tell me who's better.

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00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 3: I mean, tell me who's better Miles garretts. Miles Garrett's

792
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Speaker 3: a terrific football player, I mean bravest, most fearless.

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Speaker 2: Degree of difficulty. What Miles Garrett does versus my guy

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Speaker 2: climb in the building? Look, I know nothing. I don't

795
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Speaker 2: remember the guy's name. I know nothing about competitive climbing.

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00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: I was transfixed by that on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Would you even do that on the side of your house?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. I don't know to climb on my roof.

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Speaker 3: I'm not even getting the ladder out. Yeah, I had to.

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Speaker 2: Like read I hung a new net on our driveway

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00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: basketball hoop. I didn't like doing that. Yeah, my guy's

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00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: climbing buildings. This was not on my radar. I met

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Speaker 2: my daughter's dance competition. One of the dad says, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna watch the guy climb the building. I go, hell

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00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: you talking about I go on my phone because dance

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00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 2: competitions last like five and a half hours. I'm like, well,

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00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: we're watching this tonight. Guy's gonna climb a building without

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Speaker 2: a harness, without a rope. She's like, you're gonna watch that.

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00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: I'm not and then after thirty minutes, I'm like, well,

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00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: I gonna watch this guy might die on television, like

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Speaker 2: this may he may fall.

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Speaker 3: This is good.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's not good if that happens. Yeah, that

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00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 2: sounds bad, right, And he's stopping and posing for photos

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Speaker 2: and he's like he's got a microphone. He's narrating it

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Speaker 2: single greatest athletic feet I've ever seen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's breaking new ground.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when the Bengals have boring months, this is the

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Speaker 2: crap I bring up to see it.

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Speaker 3: This is it. Now you've got me thinking about it.

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Speaker 3: I could be a better athlete. If I could have

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Speaker 3: put him on the spreadsheet, I would have. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean he could come in here something. He could probably

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Speaker 3: make a few more tackles than Genos down And with that,

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Speaker 3: we'll talk to you next week, all right. Thanks Paul Danner.

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Speaker 2: Jor do the mock offseason exercise at Theathletic dot com.

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Speaker 2: Follow him on Twitter at Paul Danner Junior. Listen to

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Speaker 2: the Growler podcast we go through the spreadsheet. Charlie Goldsmith,

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Speaker 2: myself and Paul watch it. Listen to it and you'll enjoy.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next week. Thanks man, Paul Danner Junior.

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Speaker 2: I just saw and I first of on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: Here Quinn send us the story Tony and I.

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Speaker 2: Twin Peaks, a parent company at twin Peaks is gonna

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Speaker 2: go through bankruptcy now they say yeah, they say that

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Speaker 2: they're going to continue to operate the restaurants. I don't

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Speaker 2: know what this means for the Tony and Mo Football Show.

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Speaker 2: I've not talked with our staff. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: we're back at Twin Peaks in Westchester and Florence.

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Speaker 3: That is awesome.

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Speaker 2: The Tony and Mo Football Show obviously airs every Monday

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Speaker 2: during the football season. It's been at Twin Peaks since

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Twin Peaks stepped up during the COVID year,

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Speaker 2: and you could understand why. A lot of local businesses,

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Speaker 2: smaller businesses, you know, just just trying to survive during

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Speaker 2: the pandemic. Twin Peaks stepped up, said we'll take it,

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Speaker 2: and they hadn't yet built one in Florence. And so

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Speaker 2: we have been proud to call Twin Peaks home every

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Speaker 2: Monday during the football season for six years. That said,

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Speaker 2: over the course of those six years, I will often

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Speaker 2: see folks on social media who are like, you should

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Speaker 2: do the Tonyamo Football Show. It my neighborhood bar, or

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00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: on Mondays, just saying we will see. I don't know

876
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: for sure can Dion Sanders legally legally find his players

877
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 2: are legal expert Stuart W. Penrose from Manila Law Group

878
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: is going to be with us in thirty minutes on

879
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: that and so much more. Joe Brady is going to

880
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 2: be the new coach of the Buffalo Bills. Joe Brady

881
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: was Joe Burrow's passing game coordinator and widely credited with

882
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: how that LSU offense just exploded in twenty nineteen, single

883
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: greatest college football offense maybe ever now. Having a lot

884
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 2: of dudes had a lot to do with it. But

885
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: Joe Brady won the Broils Award that year for best

886
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: assistant coach in all of college football. And if you remember,

887
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: and I'm sure you do, in the months leading up

888
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 2: to the twenty twenty NFL Draft, there were lots of takes,

889
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: lots of different angles that people explored. One of them

890
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: was Joe Burrow isn't going to really work out in

891
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: Cincinnati without Joe Brady. Now my take on it, and

892
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: I believe this to this day. I had never heard

893
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: that kind of discourse, and I remember doing topics around

894
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 2: this where it was, what other quarterback has gone from

895
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: college to the pros as the number one overall pick

896
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: and there be this need to attach the college offensive

897
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: play caller to the quarterback at the next level. I

898
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 2: could not recall another quarterback where you know, it was, well,

899
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: they're not going to have the dude who called plays

900
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: for him in college.

901
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 3: Like, we've never done that.

902
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: But there certainly have been no shortage of people who

903
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: have wanted to see a Joe Burrow and Joe Brady reunion.

904
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: When the Bengals had an offensive coordinator change a couple

905
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: of years ago, you can find folks who said, well,

906
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: look at make Joe Brady the offensive coordinator. There were

907
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 2: folks who believed when the Bengals drafted Joe Burrow they

908
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: should hire Joe Brady to be the quarterbacks coach or

909
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 2: give him a job on the staff.

910
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 3: Well, now he's going to be the head coach of

911
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 3: the Buffalo Bills.

912
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: He took over his offensive coordinator for Ken Dorsey a

913
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 2: year and a half ago, and we'll see, we'll see

914
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: if he can help get that team over the hump

915
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: that they've just run into instead of clearing. Pretty much

916
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: for this entire decade, we'll see this. You know, we've

917
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: talked a lot about the Bengals are an interesting team

918
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 2: for a lot of different reasons. One of the reasons

919
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 2: is just the dichotomy that exists between them and everybody

920
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: else in the AFC North free teams making coaching changes.

921
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: I'm guessing the Browns will have a head coach by

922
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: the time the season begins. The Steelers have Mike McCarthy.

923
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy won a Super Bowl with the Green Bay Packers.

924
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy had some success with the Dallas Cowboys. Mike

925
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: McCarty goes home, he'll coach the Pittsburgh Steelers. That feels

926
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: like a team that is in badly is badly in

927
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: need of a roster reset. Instead, they're talking about bringing

928
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 2: back forty two year old Aaron Rodgers to play quarterback

929
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: in Baltimore. Feels like the Ravens are leaning into that

930
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: franchise is DNA with a defensive guy. It's Jesse Mintter,

931
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: which I'll be honest, there's a part of me that

932
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: wants to have wants to see Jesse Mintter have some

933
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: level of success even it's the Ravens because he's a

934
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: Cincinnati guy, was a graduate assistant at U See and

935
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: Rick Minner, I think, for the most part, had such

936
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 2: a positive imprint on you See and Jesse went to

937
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: Mount Saint Joe and so you're root for local people.

938
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: But it's an interesting hire. It's a first time head coach,

939
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: but easily one of those hotter assistant coaches names that

940
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: you knew was going to be a part of this cycle.

941
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: We'll see what the Browns do. And so, yes, there

942
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: is this contrast that is really interesting. One team in

943
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 2: the division stays with its coach, stays with its de

944
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: facto general manager, stays with its entire coaching staff. We'll

945
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: see if other assistants get plucked. Everybody else is changing.

946
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: But to me, the contrast in terms of fan reaction

947
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: that is going to be most interesting is going to

948
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: be Bengals versus Bills, because the Bills now have a

949
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: head coach that's Joe Burrow's guy, or it's at least

950
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: the guy that Joe Burrow in college was connected to,

951
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: a guy who was credited for a lot of Joe

952
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: Burrow's success. And let's be honest, throughout the course of

953
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: Joe's time in Cincinnati, it's been fair. There's been a

954
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: constant drumbeat of folks wondering, would it just be better

955
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: if Joe Burrow had a different play caller? Would it

956
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 2: just be better if Joe Burrow had a different head coach?

957
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 11: How do you not.

958
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: Feel that way? They haven't won a title with him,

959
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 2: they haven't made the postseason with him the last three years.

960
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: Obviously there are larger reasons for that, Joe's health and

961
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: Joe playing for a team that has put together bad defenses.

962
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: But imagine what it's going to feel like if the

963
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 2: dude that a lot of folks have wanted to see

964
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: Joe be reunited with ends up having the sort of

965
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: success that has eluded the Buffalo Bills for the entirety

966
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 2: of their franchise, while the Bengals remain stuck in the mud,

967
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 2: on the outside of the postseason, looking in or maybe

968
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: in the postseason, but not quite bona fide championship contention.

969
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting. Joe Brady, head coach of the

970
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills. We'll see.

971
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 3: If it works.

972
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: I do encourage you to uh to participate in Paul's

973
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: mock offseason spreadsheet. It's a fun exercise. It doesn't have

974
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: to take up much of your time. I'm sure for

975
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: some it might be more fun than doing any actual work.

976
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: It's it's a fun exercise. It's not the most exact thing.

977
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: You know, you're you're obviously not outbidding other teams for

978
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: free agents, and you know you can only do so

979
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: much with what the free agents are actually going to

980
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 2: earn when they sign with their teams this offseason. But

981
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: it's it's still a fun exercise. Where I think the

982
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: Bengals are most interesting isn't linebacker. Because if you do

983
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: this and I invite you to, you're gonna do what

984
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: I did. I'm guessing you're gonna do what I did,

985
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: and you're gonna go nuts at linebacker. I had them

986
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: signing Bobby Wagner. Bobby Wagner's a thousand years old, still

987
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 2: played at a really high level for the Washington Commanders.

988
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: This year. I'm looking for a dude who could just

989
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 2: be in position like that's at linebacker more than anything else.

990
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: A guy that's in the right place in position can

991
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: effectively communicate to his teammates where to go, and just reliable,

992
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: you know, where he's gonna be. He may lose a step, age,

993
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: may start to take its toll, but you know he

994
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: is going to line up in the right spot, know

995
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 2: what the assignment is, and he's not gonna make any

996
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 2: mental mistakes. I also had them signing Quincy Williams, who

997
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: this season with the Jets got benched relative bargain contract.

998
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: He's made the case. Look, dude, I could play, man,

999
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 2: I could ball out. I just need to be in

1000
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 2: the right scheme. Okay, Luanna Roumo does he at the

1001
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: right scheme. I also had him drafting a linebacker in

1002
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: round three, Jacob Rodriguez. Now that's not to say that

1003
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: there aren't other options available, but the point being I

1004
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: just said to Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight, Yeah, man,

1005
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: not exactly goodbye, but you're gonna have to figure out

1006
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 2: a way to earn playing time ahead of a guy

1007
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 2: that I drafted, and ahead of dudes who have played

1008
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: in this league for a while. Where I think make

1009
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 2: believe sort of runs counter to reality is it's hard

1010
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: to imagine, and maybe we're wrong about this, but it's

1011
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: hard to imagine that the Bengals just look at both

1012
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 2: of those guys and say neither of you are going

1013
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 2: to play a big role in the defense at the

1014
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: beginning of the season.

1015
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: And so one of.

1016
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: These central offseason storylines, one of these central training camp storylines,

1017
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 2: is likely to be can either Demetrius Knight or Barrett

1018
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: Carter proved to be better in their sophomore seasons than they.

1019
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 3: Were as rookies.

1020
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: I think it's also equally equally hard to imagine that

1021
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 2: the Bengals don't address linebacker. But it's also kind of

1022
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 2: hard for me to imagine the Bengals just say to

1023
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 2: both those dudes, like, good luck on special teams, good

1024
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: luck making the team, good luck finding playing time behind

1025
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: these dudes that we signed and these guys we drafted,

1026
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: We'll see it is I think you would agree impossible

1027
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 2: to imagine that they don't address pass rush doesn't necessarily

1028
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 2: have to come off the edge, although that would be

1029
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: fine if it did. Duke Tobin's megapress conference a week

1030
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: and a half ago, if there was one overarching takeaway,

1031
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: it was pass rush is king his words, not mine.

1032
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 3: Pass rush is King. That tells you we're.

1033
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: Gonna address the pass rush, and they I think if

1034
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,479
Speaker 2: you've watched the team over the last couple of years

1035
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: could use pass rush help up the middle. So it's

1036
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 2: it's tough to imagine the Bengals not addressing the defensive

1037
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: line in both free agency and the draft. We'll see

1038
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: what they do with safety specifically, how aggressive are they

1039
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: at linebacker? And the part of this exercise that I

1040
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 2: enjoyed the most was being aggressive at linebacker. I'm not

1041
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: the one, though, that used draft choices on two guys

1042
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: last year and had them play this season. Will the

1043
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 2: Bengals lean into those guys benefiting from the accumulation of experience?

1044
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: Will they lean into those guys benefiting from bringing in

1045
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: one linebacker? You know, he's just an example. There are

1046
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: many others out there. But if it's a Bobby Wagner

1047
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: and Matt Mulano somebody like that, like a guy that

1048
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 2: you could tell Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight to like

1049
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 2: tether themselves to in order to learn, in order to

1050
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: learn what they do there. I think the line between

1051
00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 2: total defensive overhaul and major off season defensive tweaking is

1052
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 2: right there at the linebacker spot.

1053
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 3: I overhauled it.

1054
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: I just said to Night and Carter, Yeah, thanks, Uh,

1055
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 2: maybe you can still make the team, but you're gonna

1056
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: have a really uphill battle. We will see sixteen after

1057
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 2: four o'clock. By the way, our phone lines are open.

1058
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 2: If I've said anything remotely interesting five point three, seven

1059
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: four nine, fifteen thirty and eight six six seven oh

1060
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: two three seven seven six.

1061
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 3: If you have read anything about the Reds.

1062
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 2: And what they would kind of like to do with

1063
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 2: the weeks that are left in the offseason, you've seen,

1064
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 2: you've seen it suggested that they've got a way to

1065
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: find out what their TV situation is gonna be. And

1066
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: there's probably a lot of validity to that. Let me

1067
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 2: ask you a question. Was that not the case two

1068
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 2: months ago? We'll get to that next. On ESPN fifteen thirty,

1069
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station.

1070
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: Cincinnati's Cincinnati and iHeartRadio station g Garanteed Human ESPN fifteen thirty,

1071
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: I Heard Radio.

1072
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 2: College Hoops on ESPN fifteen thirty Tonight, Kentucky and a

1073
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 2: good Vanderbilt team, one that recently broke a three game

1074
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: losing streak. Tip off at nine o'clock from Nashville. The

1075
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: game's on ESPN fifteen thirty. Pre game at seven point

1076
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 2: thirty also in the area. Tonight, team Miami Renhawks look

1077
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 2: for a twenty first consecutive victory to open up the season.

1078
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 2: Travis Steele's team takes on UMass. That is also a

1079
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: nine o'clock tip off from Mallett Hall. I'm gonna go

1080
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 2: attend that game. The nine o'clock tip offs are easier

1081
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: for me to make than seven o'clock. Travis Steele was

1082
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 2: with us yesterday in studio. If you missed that conversation,

1083
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 2: go listen to it. That's somebody right before the show

1084
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: who's not at all of Miami fans say to me,

1085
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 2: you and Trav were really good yesterday. Trav was good.

1086
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 2: I was me. But if you missed the conversation, it

1087
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 2: was a terrific I think you'll enjoy it even if

1088
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Speaker 2: you're not a Miami fan. It's on the iHeartRadio app,

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00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 2: or you could go to my page at ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 2: to thirty dot com. Podcasts of this show are a

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Speaker 2: service of Long Neck Sports Grill. By the way, if

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Speaker 2: bouncing back to Kentucky, if you're a Kentucky fan, you're

1093
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: thinking to yourself, want to go watch the game tonight?

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00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 2: Long Necks Wilder, Hebron rich Wood, come on, can't beat

1095
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 2: it no better place to watch college hoops. We're gonna

1096
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 2: find out if Deon Sanders can get away with finding

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00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: his players from a lawyer.

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Speaker 3: Our lawyer, Stuart W.

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Speaker 2: Penrose, Manila Law Group coming up in in ten minutes.

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00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 2: So no real Reds news again, no real Reds news

1101
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 2: this weekend because apparently they're in limbo waiting to find

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00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 2: out what their TV deal is going to be this year.

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00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 2: And you know, they've opted out of their deal with

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00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: FanDuel Sports Network. There's a chance at least that Major

1105
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: League Baseball will take over the broadcasts, and the future

1106
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 2: of local TV rights across this sport is very much

1107
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 2: in question, and the nuts and bolts of that are

1108
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: a topic for a different discussion. But their TV deal

1109
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: is up in the air, and it's fair to wonder, like,

1110
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 2: how you.

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00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 3: Going to see the games, where the game's gonna air, how.

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00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 2: Are they going to be distributed all that stuff, and

1113
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 2: also how much money will they get from their TV contract?

1114
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 2: I have no idea. Apparently the Reds don't either, and

1115
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 2: so what you're reading about their possible interest in players

1116
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 2: like eu Haaneo Suarez, who is still out there, is

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00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 2: they need to find some degree of certainty and clarity

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00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 2: regarding their TV deal before they make a significant addition

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00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 2: to the team like eu Haaneo Suarez. Fine, now, I

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00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 2: don't exactly expect the Pittsburgh Pirates or the New York

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00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 2: me that's where the LA Angels or God forbid the

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00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 2: LA Dodgers to go. You know what, We'll wait right Cincinnati,

1123
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 2: figure out what your TV deal is going to be,

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00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 2: and then once you know, we'll make our offers to

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00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 2: these players that you may be interested in. I can't

1126
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: help but wonder this. The Reds did not get Kyle Schwarber.

1127
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: We have spent weeks now debating the seriousness of the

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00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: Reds pursuit of Kyle Schwarber. But isn't it fair to

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Speaker 2: ask this if they don't know what kind of money

1130
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 2: they're gonna get from their TV deal today? Did they

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00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: really know what kind of money they were going to

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00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 2: get from their TV deal six seven weeks ago? Gotta

1133
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: hold off on spending any money on Kyle on au

1134
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 2: Haano Suarez, But you didn't have to hold off on

1135
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 2: spending any money on Kyle Schwarber? Was was there was

1136
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: there more financial certainty six weeks ago? Two months ago

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Speaker 2: when they were apparently engaged in this pursuit, pursuit of

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Speaker 2: the reigning National League home run champion, that suddenly there's

1139
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: there's no clarity, there's no certainty. You knew two months ago,

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Speaker 2: which sure we're gonna get from your TV contract, which

1141
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: you knew was something you were gonna opt out of,

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00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 2: and now you don't know that makes sense to you?

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00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 2: Five point three seven four nine fifteen thirty Does that?

1144
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? You're not sure if you could

1145
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 2: afford a third basement or a DH now because of

1146
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 2: a move that you made. By the way, you had

1147
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 2: every reason to maybe make that move, which was opting

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00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: out of the TV deal two months ago, when you

1149
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: were offering Kyle Schwarber reportedly twenty five million dollars per year,

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Speaker 2: a deal that would have totaled one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: five million dollars. Opting out of your TV contract wasn't

1152
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 2: on your radar as a possibility. You had more clarity

1153
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 2: that like what would have happened had they signed Kyle

1154
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 2: Schwarber and then uh oh, would they have had to

1155
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 2: avoid the contract? Would they've had to like go to

1156
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 2: him and say, yes, sorry, we're gonna ask you to

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00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 2: kind of let us out of that contract, like there's

1158
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 2: such inconsistency with that, which makes you and you can

1159
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 2: get mad at me for saying this, if you want,

1160
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 2: which makes you wonder legitimately how serious was the pursuit

1161
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 2: of Kyle Schwarber If you are too uncertain now that

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00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: with two weeks to go before spring training, you can't

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01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 2: actively make your team better because you just don't know

1164
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 2: what your TV revenue situation is gonna be. What's changed

1165
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 2: from then when they brought Kyle Schwarber to town to

1166
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 2: apparently try to get into play for him? What's changed

1167
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 2: between then and now? Doesn't it make you question the

1168
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Speaker 2: seriousness of their pursuit of Kyle Schwarber. That's not sour

1169
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Speaker 2: grapes over them not getting them. How does it not

1170
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 2: make you wonder about the seriousness of their pursuit of

1171
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 2: Kyle Schwerber? I hope I've put this in clear, almost

1172
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 2: black and white terms. You're telling people we gotta wait,

1173
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 2: not sure, don't know, don't know what the TV situation

1174
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 2: is gonna be, Gotta wait, Okay, but you know Spring

1175
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 2: training is almost here and you could use a still

1176
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 2: It's been almost four months since last season ended. Yep,

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01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: I known, gotta wait, don't know, don't know about the

1178
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Speaker 2: TV deal, but but you know about the kind of

1179
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 2: money you were gonna get to your TV deal when

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01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 2: you were kind of trying to get Kyle Schwarber. This

1181
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense. If you could afford to go

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01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 2: after Kyle Schwarber, and I mean legitimately go after Kyle Schwarber,

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01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 2: two months later, you can't go after aeohaneus Warres. Do

1184
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 2: you find out where your games are gonna err on TV?

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01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 7: Huh?

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01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 2: Somebody who is smarter than me, and that's most help

1187
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: me make sense of this? At Moleggar on Twitter better

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01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 2: Off at five point three seven fifteen thirty. I can

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01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 2: only speak for myself, but you have your You're left

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01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 2: but to conclude, as unfair as I'm sure they will

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01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 2: say it is, You're left to conclude that the pursuit

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01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 2: was for show, was cosmetic, was branding almost instead of

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01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 2: a legitimate pursuit. And again, like, all I'm doing is

1194
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: is taking what is being reported. All I'm doing is

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01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 2: taking what is out there. Yes, I'm sure there's financial

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01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 2: uncertainty because of this chunk of money that they typically

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Speaker 2: get from their TV partner. They don't know what that

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Speaker 2: chunk is going to look like. That makes sense that

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Speaker 2: meshes like that works, but it's totally inconsistent with the

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Speaker 2: idea that they really went after it due to it

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01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 2: fifty six bombs last year. Those those two things, those

1202
01:02:55,280 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 2: two things do not connect five seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty.

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01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 2: We'll get you in. Uh. We got a college programs

1204
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 2: suing its quarterback and now settling with its quarterback. We

1205
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 2: got a coach who's going to find as players for

1206
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 2: breaking rules. And I have more questions for our legal analyst,

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Speaker 2: Stewart W. Penrose, Manila Law Group. He'll answer my questions

1208
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 2: and yours.

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Speaker 3: Next.

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Speaker 4: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: This report HEESPA sure twenty four from five o'clock. This

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Speaker 3: is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Moeger, thanks so much for joining us. On Tuesdays, we

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01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 2: talk sports and law with our guy Stewart W Penrose

1225
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 2: Manilo Law Group to answer questions like about Dion Sanders,

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01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 2: the head coach of Colorado looking to impose a fine

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Speaker 2: system for his players, and the idea here, you know,

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01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 2: being that players are getting paid now, so if they're

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Speaker 2: late to practice, if they're late to a film session,

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01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 2: if they're late to a treatment, if they violate a

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01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 2: team rules, he could find them. College football players have

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01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 2: never been more professionalized. This is the sort of stuff

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01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 2: they do at the professional level, and so you know,

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01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 2: on some level, sure find the guys. It makes sense.

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01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 2: At the same time, is this really legal? And so

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01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 2: Stuart's here to answer those questions and more. It's always

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01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 2: good to have you a Stewart. What's going on?

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01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 10: Good after now?

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01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 4: Moug doing doing well?

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01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 2: How about yourself? I'm doing all right? So Deon Sanders

1241
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: legally find his players when they're technically not employees.

1242
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 10: It depends on the circumstance mode. It's not the NFL. Certainly,

1243
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 10: there's no collective bargaining agreement that that governs the fines

1244
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 10: and have things all, you know, set out in an

1245
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 10: orderly and and and and legal way. You know, college

1246
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 10: football operates on UH state laws, various contracts, and quite frankly,

1247
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 10: a lot of patchwork. If this is if this is

1248
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 10: something that is UH being paid with nil money, it

1249
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 10: gets very murky because those are private contracts, separate from

1250
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 10: the school and there and there certainly could be challenges

1251
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 10: to that. But if these are set up possibly as donations,

1252
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 10: or if these fines are set out in a team

1253
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 10: code of conduct or or some sort of authorized way

1254
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 10: where the player agrees to it in exchange for you know,

1255
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 10: partly in exchange for their scholarship and to be on

1256
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 10: the team, well then then there could be an argument

1257
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 10: that it's enforceable. But it just depends on how it's

1258
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 10: set out. It can't be done in an arbitrary way.

1259
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 10: It can't be done in a retroactive way. So it's

1260
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 10: easy to see what Dion's trying to do here, Malo,

1261
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 10: and he's trying to still some discipline and accountability, and

1262
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 10: those are all good things. But yes, there certainly could

1263
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 10: be legal challenges depending upon how it's set up.

1264
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 2: I was wondering this, So in a professional sports league,

1265
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:28,439
Speaker 2: the league itself finds players for all sorts of things.

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01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 2: It might be something as benign as a uniform violation,

1267
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 2: might be for something as serious as, you know, putting

1268
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 2: another player's health and safety in jeopardy, a late hit

1269
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 2: and a legal hit, taunting, things done during games, getting

1270
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 2: in a fight. Players are fined every single week in

1271
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 2: the NFL, I was wondering, could like a league like

1272
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 2: the Big ten or the SEC ultimately go You know

1273
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 2: what if Dion Sanders, if a head coach of a

1274
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 2: Big twelve program, is going to find one of his

1275
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 2: players for missing treatment, we could perhaps do the same

1276
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 2: if a player commits a certain infraction during a game.

1277
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 10: I think that's stretching out an already murky situation even further.

1278
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 6: Uh.

1279
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 10: I think that's very unlikely to be the case. There's

1280
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 10: no collective bargaining agreement, there's no to pay it. The

1281
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 10: players aren't employees. If you start doing this in large scales,

1282
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 10: you could get into uh, you know, wage in our violations,

1283
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 10: employment violations, contract violations. It's just not set up that

1284
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 10: way in college athletics for it to hold that sort

1285
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 10: of weight at this moment. But let's look at the

1286
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 10: practicality on the other side too, though, If you pay

1287
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 10: for Keon Sanders, who's gonna sue Deon Sanders? Uh, you

1288
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 10: know for being fined by this? You know, in practicality

1289
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 10: looking at the other present here, yeah, you know you

1290
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 10: can risk your play in time, you might risk your scholarship,

1291
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 10: your reputation, the transfer portal. So you know, I certainly

1292
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 10: see what Dion's doing here. Is it on shaky legal grounds?

1293
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 10: Very likely apps, depending upon how it's set up, But practicality,

1294
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 10: what player is going to sue me on standard stop

1295
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 10: for this?

1296
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1297
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 2: I guess I would also wonder, like, there are levels

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Speaker 2: of college football where the players aren't as well compensated

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Speaker 2: and somewhere they're not compensated at all, And so I'm

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Speaker 2: curious as to and maybe this is more of a

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Speaker 2: question about practicality than it is legality, but I'm wondering

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Speaker 2: what the response would be if a coach decided we're

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Speaker 2: going to have a fine system as well, and maybe

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Speaker 2: the fine amounts won't be quite as steep, but you

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Speaker 2: are dealing with athletes who maybe aren't as well compensated

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Speaker 2: as they are in Colorado.

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Speaker 10: Sure, then you certainly get into the deep end of

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Speaker 10: the waters with that. And you know, quite frankly, who's

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Speaker 10: compensating these players. It's predominantly these nil collectives, and that's

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Speaker 10: third party money. And if you if you try to

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01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 10: find them for their third party money, that's when you're

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01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 10: going to run into some violations here, and you know,

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Speaker 10: potentially some challenges.

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Speaker 2: I feel like as a college sports fan, I have

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Speaker 2: to become more and more familiar with the word injunction.

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Speaker 2: So I want to ask you about Dukes soon to

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01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 2: be former quarterback who is Darien Mensa helped lead the

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01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 2: Blue Devils to an acc title. He and his now

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01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 2: former school have agreed to a settlement of a dispute

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Speaker 2: that will allow him to transfer to another school the

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01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 2: expectation that he is going to go play for the

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Speaker 2: Miami Hurricane. So Duke sued their former player, a guy

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Speaker 2: who a month and a half ago was helping lead

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Speaker 2: them to a conference championship. They sued him in an

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01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 2: attempt to prevent him from transferring he put his name

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Speaker 2: in the portal, wasn't permitted to enroll in another school

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Speaker 2: until a judge ruled on this, and so there was

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Speaker 2: an injunction hearing scheduled for Thursday. Apparently that's not going

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Speaker 2: to happen because the two parties have agreed to a settlement.

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Speaker 2: This is maybe a stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway.

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Speaker 2: What is an injunction.

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Speaker 10: Relief that the court gives to prevent something or allow

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Speaker 10: something to go forward. You know, here the kid is

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Speaker 10: trying to you know, go and transfer and play for Miami,

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Speaker 10: and you know that's what the court is a you know, is.

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Speaker 3: Allowing them to do.

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Speaker 10: Well, I take that back, Duke allowed them to settle,

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01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 10: or Duke settled with them, But you're asking for some

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01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 10: sort of non monetary relief.

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Speaker 3: What was what was Duke's case here before the settlement.

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Speaker 10: Well, they're trying to hold them too, the U to

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01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 10: the bounds of this nil contract. I mean, both this

1343
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 10: and the don of the DN story are basically showing

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01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 10: the same thing. They're trying to get schools and coaches

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01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 10: to get the power back from kids when the you know,

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01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 10: when the leverage is shifted to the athletes given NI

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Speaker 10: L in the transfer portal. You know, the law hasn't

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01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 10: caught up yet, so everybody's experimenting and you know, occasionally overreaching,

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01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 10: and you know it sounds like that, you know, that's

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01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 10: what Duke was trying to do here, get him too

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Speaker 10: A bide by his uh by his NIL contract, which

1352
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 10: which again is not with Duke, it's with a you know,

1353
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 10: it's with an NIL collective. They can't stop them from transferring,

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01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,879
Speaker 10: first and foremost, that brings up too many anti trust issues.

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01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 10: But what they're trying to do is they're trying to

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01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 10: make it financially unfeasible for that player to go ahead transfer.

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01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 10: Clearly they were able to figure something out here, which

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01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 10: is good because no school uh you know, really wants

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01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 10: to be that school that that that's going out there

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01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 10: and you know, enforcing this to the end degree and

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01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 10: you know, perhaps becoming less attractive to recruits. And we

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01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 10: saw the same thing on the other end with that

1363
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:20,560
Speaker 10: quarterback from Washington, and you know, both of those situations

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01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 10: were settled. Of course, that kid ended up staying at

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01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 10: Washington and this kid, you know, is off seeming to

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01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 10: u to Miami here, but.

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01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 6: They can't prevent you from treachering.

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01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 10: But you've got a got an an our contract that

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01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 10: could certainly send you a bill on the way.

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Speaker 2: Out our guy. Attorney Steward W. Penrose, Manila Law Group,

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Speaker 2: Manila Lawgroup dot Com. One more case involving an injunction here,

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Speaker 2: and this is involves Alabama basketball players Charles Bettiaco. Now,

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01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 2: this this is a guy who I think is is

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01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 2: maybe not the most controversial among these eligibility cases we

1375
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 2: talk about, but he's one of them. Played in his

1376
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 2: first college game on Saturday for Alabama against Tennessee. He's

1377
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 2: a young man who played at the University of Alabama

1378
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one twenty two in twenty twenty two

1379
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 2: twenty three, then declared for the draft, went undrafted, never

1380
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 2: played in an NBA game, but he has bounced around

1381
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 2: the G League, including like a week and a half

1382
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 2: ago playing for the Motor City Cruise. So every college

1383
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 2: basketball coaches up in arms about this, and I think

1384
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 2: understandably so. The nc DOUBLEA has filed a motion asking

1385
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 2: for the judge to recuse himself from this case because

1386
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,759
Speaker 2: he's an Alabama booster. So he's gotten the preliminary injunction

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01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 2: to play. The NC DOUBLEA is still fighting it, hoping

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01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 2: that they can make him ineligible. I guess, walk me

1389
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 2: through all the different layers here.

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01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 10: Sure, well, we first and foremost, we are so deep

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01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 10: into the leads of the wild wild wild Western College Athletics.

1392
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 10: And this is case in point. It's really a crazy

1393
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 10: fact pattern. You know, we know the NC double A

1394
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 10: is you know, did not want you know, gage players

1395
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 10: or players that were in the draft so to come

1396
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 10: back in and you know, the lost some original challenges there.

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01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 10: The difference with this kid, my understanding is that he

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01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 10: actually happened two way NBA G League contracts even though

1399
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,719
Speaker 10: he didn't play an NBA game, and the NC double

1400
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 10: A is trying to toak abash on that and say, hey,

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01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 10: those players aren't eligible. So this is certainly going to

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01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 10: be a you know, a landmark ruling, not just for

1403
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 10: his kid. I mean, right now he's got at least

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01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 10: temporary and junct relief the play and you know, let's

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01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 10: be honest, seasons are short. The season is going to

1406
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 10: be up for Alabama and you know to two and

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01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 10: a half months. This case may last me up that

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01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,600
Speaker 10: but depending upon how this judge determine whether a lot

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01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 10: of these kids, you know, with these two way contracts,

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01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 10: can go back and play. And then if they if

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01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 10: they allow it to happen, where do you draw that line?

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01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 10: At that point? It could just really open floodgates. And

1413
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 10: you know, further week in the n C Double A,

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01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 10: which has already been uh criply weakened even more.

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01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we talked about that a few weeks ago.

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01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 2: While the inc DOUBLEA keeps losing in court. Let me

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01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 2: ask you this really quick. How often in any case

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01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 2: when there's a request from one side or the other

1419
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 2: for the judge to recuse his or horse self because

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01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 2: of of any conflict of interest, is that request granted?

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01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 10: Depends on the circumstance. I mean, if you're a judge,

1422
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 10: obviously you don't want any impropriety, but it's also about

1423
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 10: the appearance of impropriety. I can't say you know enough

1424
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 10: on the fact here so as to whether there is

1425
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 10: that or not. I understand the judges an Alabama booster,

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01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 10: I would be sure to keep them. Most of the

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01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,440
Speaker 10: judges now in Alabama probably are some form of Alabama

1428
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 10: or Auburn boosters, So you probably have some slim pickings there.

1429
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 10: If you're the if you're the n cuble A. But

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01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 10: I certainly can understand the point and ultimately up to

1431
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 10: the judge whether he recuses himself. And some judges try

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01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 10: to err against recusal, uh because they don't want that uh,

1433
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 10: that feeling or that uh suggestion of impropriety even being

1434
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 10: out there for them. They want to be fair and

1435
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 10: impartial and give that that aura out there. But I

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01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 10: certainly understand the NCAA position here when you've got to

1437
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 10: sam a booster overseeing it at the moment.

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01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that that makes sense. That to me, that's

1439
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 2: that's a courtroom one oh one. For lack of a

1440
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 2: better way of putting into Attorney Stewart W. Penrose Manila

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01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,759
Speaker 2: Law Group joins us every single Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: Awesome to have you as always. We'll talk next week.

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Speaker 2: You can learn more about Stuart's Manila Law Group practice

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Speaker 2: at Manilolawgroup dot com. All right, thirteen away from five o'clock.

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Speaker 2: I know I'm being told I'm being mean to the Reds.

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Speaker 2: Like it's remarkable to me how for some the simple

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Speaker 2: pursuit of a star player is enough.

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Speaker 6: Like I.

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Speaker 2: It's also remarkable to me for how many folks eighty

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Speaker 2: three wins is like a good good record, And I

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Speaker 2: jump into the derby. Now reach out to us after

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Speaker 2: we figure out what the deal at Twin Peaks is.

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Speaker 2: I want to do the Tony Moe Football Show from

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Speaker 2: the studio. That's my This is at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, it's about me. Tony and Mo Football Show

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Speaker 2: has been on the air for eleven years now. The

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Speaker 2: last seven we have been out at an establishment. The

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Speaker 2: show is better when it's out. I like being out,

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Speaker 2: especially during football season. So we did the show for

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Speaker 2: a year. It's Sam Adams and OTR. That was a

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Speaker 2: wonderful place in the last six years at Twin Peaks.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you know, for years you're not Twin Peaks.

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Speaker 2: Is nice, MO, but I wish you would do it here. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 2: Five one three, fifteen thirty is our phone number. By

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Speaker 2: a conversation with both Chase Brown and t Higgins that

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Speaker 2: we'll have for you at five forty tomorrow. So Tea

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Speaker 2: gonna get a report from the Senior Bowl, but we'll

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Speaker 2: talk about the Bengals and the Senior Bowland Board's coming

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean it can still met taco Tuesday for you.

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Speaker 2: This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. They stay warmed to you. Who cares

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Speaker 3: what you're eating? Stay warm? Good God, I wouldn't.

1546
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 2: Pull my garbage can in this morning and then that

1547
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 2: like twelve second walk you wanted to wanted to do things.

1548
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 2: I will not speaking to existence, to myself, it is.

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01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't need me to tell you it is.

1550
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 2: It is brutally cold, and it's gonna be this way

1551
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Speaker 2: for like ever. I don't know. Maybe it's gonna be

1552
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 2: like thirty three towards the end of next week. We

1553
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 2: will see. By the way, Miguel Andrew harr is also

1554
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 2: still out there. I can't imagine Miguel ANDHRR costs a

1555
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 2: ton of money. I legitimately can't imagine that. You have

1556
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 2: to figure out what your TV revenue is gonna be

1557
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 2: if if you want to bring back Miguel Andrew harr

1558
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 2: who granted only helps you against lefties. But still, I

1559
01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 2: think so many have been lulled into this believe that

1560
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 2: it's it's it's just it's impossible to make your team

1561
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 2: any better because so many economic forces in the sport

1562
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 2: work against your team.

1563
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 3: And I just I don't. I don't believe that.

1564
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 2: And I I just I struggle with the consistency of

1565
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 2: the messaging.

1566
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 3: That's it.

1567
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 2: I struggle with the consistency of the messaging. We're two

1568
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 2: months ago, it's we are actively going after Kyle Schwerber.

1569
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 2: We are actively going after a guy who addresses easily

1570
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 2: our biggest issue. We're we're gonna do it. We're gonna

1571
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 2: make a play here. Maybe maybe it's a long shot,

1572
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 2: but we're gonna make a play. Like what if he

1573
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 2: would have said yes, don't you want What if he

1574
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 2: would have said yes. If they don't know about whether

1575
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 2: or not they could go after a Uhanio Suarez because

1576
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 2: of the uncertainty surrounding their TV contract, If they don't

1577
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 2: know whether or not they can make a play for

1578
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 2: Miguel and do hard. If they don't know if they

1579
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 2: could take a league average offense and make it a

1580
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 2: little bit better with an established bat from the outside.

1581
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 2: If they don't know what would have happened had Kyle

1582
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 2: Schwarber said you know what, Hell yeah, let's do it.

1583
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 2: I'll come home, I'll take a little bit of a

1584
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 2: hometown discount. What then would have happened financially? What then

1585
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 2: would have happened? Also, Nick Crawl will tell you he

1586
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 2: did last week at Redsfest. We tried to make Ellie

1587
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 2: Dela Cruz the highest paid player in franchise history. Now, remember,

1588
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 2: highest paid player in franchise history is not highest paid

1589
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 2: player in baseball history, but still pretty substantial, right, a

1590
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:48,560
Speaker 2: lot of money. So you're so comfortable with the economics,

1591
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 2: you're so comfortable with revenue it, so comfortable with whatever

1592
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 2: may happen with your TV situation that you'll make a

1593
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 2: play to have Ellie Dela Cruz. And by the way,

1594
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 2: the TV situation has been uncertain for a while now.

1595
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 2: Or remember about fourteen months ago they opted out of

1596
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:08,719
Speaker 2: their TV deal and it was like, Okay, they're gonna

1597
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 2: come up with their own thing, like that was a

1598
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 2: thing that happened. They opted out of their TV deal

1599
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty five season. And I know this

1600
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 2: A because I remember this being reported. B. I know

1601
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 2: folks on the television production side of this who were like,

1602
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 2: don't know what this means for us. They opted out

1603
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 2: of their TV deal and then Fandel Sports Network was

1604
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 2: able to come up with something and the games were

1605
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,839
Speaker 2: on Fandel Sports Network and there was a streaming component

1606
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 2: to it. I don't know how much the money the

1607
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 2: Red's made off of it.

1608
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1609
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 2: They had to have known last year that TV deal

1610
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 2: uncertainty was going to be a thing going into the

1611
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:49,520
Speaker 2: twenty twenty sixth season. By the way, so was labor uncertainty,

1612
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 2: and yet they were comfortable offering Eli de la Cruz Like,

1613
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 2: there's just such inconsistency here, and when messaging is inconsistent,

1614
01:24:57,960 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 2: you're not sure what to believe, You're not sure what

1615
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 2: to trust. So was going after Kyle Schwarber to the

1616
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 2: degree they did a legitimate attempt, legitimate attempt to give

1617
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:16,679
Speaker 2: their lack of pop a boost or was it window dressing.

1618
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 2: I will have folks with that franchise who get mad

1619
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 2: at me for saying this, But how do you not

1620
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:27,839
Speaker 2: walk away wondering the same thing when now you're hearing,

1621
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 2: By the way, there is no longer weeks on end

1622
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 2: available to make the team better before spring training. The

1623
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 2: first Cactus League game is less than a month away,

1624
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 2: the first workout is less than two weeks away.

1625
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 3: Like it's here, it's about to start.

1626
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 2: Yes, there are there are players available so far as

1627
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 2: an ad to R or two of them. So is

1628
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,839
Speaker 2: Austin Hayes. By the way, how much of a letdown

1629
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 2: is it going to be? Nothing against Austin Hayes or

1630
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 2: Miguel anduhrr? How much of a letdown is it going

1631
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 2: to be if an off season that at one point

1632
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 2: included what felt like legitimate conjecture about going after Kyle

1633
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 2: Schwarber is gonna end with bringing back Miguel Andrew Harr

1634
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 2: who doesn't help you at all defensively and is useless

1635
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 2: from one side of the plate at Austin Hayes. It's

1636
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 2: the ultimate in running it back, By the way, maybe

1637
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 2: running it back will work. Maybe running it back will

1638
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 2: result in the same team having better results in twenty

1639
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 2: twenty six. Maybe running it back or result in similar results,

1640
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 2: and those results are good enough for this team to

1641
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 2: get to the postseason, and they win once they get

1642
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 2: to the postseason. But I remember when last year ended.

1643
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 2: I remember those days after they got swept by the Dodgers.

1644
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 2: I don't recall anybody saying, you know what the best

1645
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 2: strategy here is to run it back. I think what

1646
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 2: everybody agreed was, first of all, got to make the

1647
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:56,560
Speaker 2: bullpen better. Okay, cool, done, check that box. Bullpen I

1648
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 2: think is better. Number two, need a bat. Not only

1649
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 2: is it January twenty seventh and they haven't added that bat.

1650
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 2: Apologies to JJ Bleday, but now you're hearing from very

1651
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 2: credible people who cover the sport. Well, they've gotta wait

1652
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:20,640
Speaker 2: because they don't know about their TV situation. Hearing that

1653
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 2: they have to wait, by the way, does not mesh

1654
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:27,560
Speaker 2: with urgency. That's a word that's used often. Isn't it urgency?

1655
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 2: Urgency to win? I wouldn't be great if the message

1656
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 2: was really urgency like one eight three last year, got

1657
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 2: good starting pitching, got some guys we want to build around.

1658
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 2: Feel like our window is now. Maybe the Brewers have

1659
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 2: taken a step back. Let's let's beat the pirates to

1660
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 2: the punch. Let's be urgent here. Instead, it's gotta wait,

1661
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 2: like a franchise that has existed for thirty years, telling

1662
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 2: us to wait is now saying we gotta gotta wait

1663
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 2: even longer. Gotta I don't know about that, TV. Sorry,

1664
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 2: It's remarkable. The inconsistency is remarkable, and I think the

1665
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 2: unfortunate thing is like, yeah, you get branded something if

1666
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 2: you pointed out, you get branded a pessimist or somebody

1667
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:19,560
Speaker 2: who doesn't understand the nuts and bolts of baseball's economics.

1668
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:22,679
Speaker 2: Here's what I understand. The Reds won eighty three games

1669
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 2: last year, which was fine, It wasn't great. They finished

1670
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 2: fourteen games out of first place. It felt like when

1671
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 2: they played in the postseason against the Dodgers they had

1672
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 2: almost no chance from the jump. They needed help on

1673
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 2: the last day of the season to barely sneak in

1674
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 2: as the six seed. At no point last season where

1675
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 2: they considered bona fide championship contenders, At no point was

1676
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 2: winning the National League Central last season anywhere on the table.

1677
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 2: And yet this offseason being told to wait, being told

1678
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 2: to wait, when earlier in the offseason it was we're

1679
01:28:57,479 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 2: gonna go after a dude who had fifty six bombs

1680
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 2: last year. When they didn't get Kyle Schwarber, they took

1681
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 2: some criticism. They took it from folks who sit where

1682
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 2: I sit right now, meaning me and my colleagues, wondering

1683
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 2: and in some cases alleging about the seriousness of the

1684
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 2: pursuit of Kyle Schwarber. How serious was it? Does an

1685
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 2: entity that's worth slightly less than two billion dollars really

1686
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 2: allow somebody to get away for five million dollars a year,

1687
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:34,560
Speaker 2: which those five million dollars a year in three or

1688
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,759
Speaker 2: four years, it's probably not going to be five million

1689
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 2: dollars is probably going to be a heck of a

1690
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 2: lot less. So if you're willing to do that, how

1691
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 2: serious was your pursuit When you find out months later, well,

1692
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 2: they can't do anything because they don't know about their

1693
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 2: TV deal.

1694
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,520
Speaker 3: I fling it back to November.

1695
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 2: I fling it back to those thirty six to forty

1696
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 2: eight hours when it felt like the pursuit of Kyle

1697
01:29:57,920 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 2: Schwarber was real.

1698
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 3: And I don't know how you now conclude that it wasn't.

1699
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 2: And if the pursuit of Kyle Schwerber wasn't real, then

1700
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 2: the pursuit of a championship in twenty twenty six also

1701
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 2: doesn't seem real. That, of course, doesn't mean they can't

1702
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,719
Speaker 2: win one. And what is so frustrating about the Reds

1703
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 2: is they have a lot of good pieces in place,

1704
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:26,560
Speaker 2: and you can't help but fear that this season and

1705
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 2: maybe the twenty twenty seven season, if it actually happens

1706
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 2: that those seasons are going to be spent with us wondering,

1707
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 2: how much better could this team have been had they

1708
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 2: been a little bit more proactive in making it better

1709
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 2: using outside acquisitions. It would be one thing if the

1710
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 2: Reds lost ninety six games last season.

1711
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:47,680
Speaker 3: They did not.

1712
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 2: It would be one thing if the Reds weren't even

1713
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 2: close to the postseason last year. That obviously wasn't the case.

1714
01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:00,839
Speaker 2: They're not that far away. They have enviable goods starting pitching.

1715
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 2: They have other players the teams I think would like

1716
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 2: to have, like Ellie de la Cruz. They have prospects

1717
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 2: other teams would like to have, like top one hundred

1718
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 2: guy according to the Athletic and ESPN Sal Stewart. They

1719
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 2: have a really, really nice collection of starting pitchers. But

1720
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 2: oh man, it doesn't feel at all like they're seriously

1721
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 2: pursuing making this team better. I'm sorry. All I could

1722
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 2: go is all I could go is like what I've

1723
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 2: seen and what I read and hear from folks who

1724
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 2: are deeply in the know. Yeah, they went after Kyle Schwarber. Yeah,

1725
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 2: they offered him close to twenty five million dollars a year.

1726
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 2: Some have reported that they were willing to go where

1727
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 2: the Phillies.

1728
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 3: Went to keep them. How do you do that and

1729
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 3: then two.

1730
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 2: Months later send the message that you've got to wait

1731
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,680
Speaker 2: to see what your TV deal is going to be

1732
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,639
Speaker 2: before you go make the team better elsewhere. Those two

1733
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 2: things don't mesh. Those two things don't mesh. And because

1734
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:11,679
Speaker 2: of the franchise's well earned brand, which is not willing

1735
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 2: to go to the end of the earth to be

1736
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 2: the best in the world at what they do, you

1737
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 2: you can't help but conclude that the the hesitancy to

1738
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 2: jump into the Uhaneo Suarez pool tells you that the

1739
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 2: pursuit of Schwarber was not that serious. Quarter after five

1740
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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty five one, three, seven, four nine,

1741
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Speaker 2: It is sixteen minutes after five o'clock. I'll tell you

1745
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 2: what I would pursue if I was the Bengals.

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1756
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Speaker 2: This report is sponsored by Mike Somebody helped me with

1757
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:39,679
Speaker 2: the Pro Football Hall of Fame voting.

1758
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:42,600
Speaker 3: Adam Schefter. Just a few minutes ago of.

1759
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 2: ESPN reports that Bill Belichick is not going to be

1760
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 2: a first ballot Hall of Famer. According to Don Van

1761
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 2: Natta and Seth Wickersham, Belijack, who won eight Super Bowls

1762
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 2: during his coaching career, two was a defensive coordinator six

1763
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 2: as a head coach, fell short of the forty of

1764
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 2: fifty votes needed for induction. Into the Pro Football Hall

1765
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 2: of Fame in his first year of eligibility. I am

1766
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 2: I'm trying to. I'm trying to think off the top

1767
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 2: of my head. I know Tony Dungee was not a

1768
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 2: first ballot Hall of Famer, and I'm doing this sort

1769
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 2: of here on the fly. I'm trying to. I know

1770
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 2: Bill Kawer was not a first ballot Hall of Famer.

1771
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 2: I know Bill Parcells was not a first ballot Hall

1772
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:35,519
Speaker 2: of Famer. And I don't have this in front of me,

1773
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 2: but I was reading when Mike Tomlin stepped down, because

1774
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:40,240
Speaker 2: I think a lot of folks have talked about Mike

1775
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 2: Tomlin's Hall of Fame candidacy, and I guess there are

1776
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 2: some things in place that have made it more difficult

1777
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:49,639
Speaker 2: for coaches to get in. And you know, you could

1778
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 2: look at a guy like Tony Dungee and assume Hall

1779
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 2: of Famer. It took him a while. It took Bill Parcells,

1780
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:57,240
Speaker 2: I think, a long time to get to Canton. It

1781
01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 2: took Bill Kower a long time to get to Canton. MARVELI,

1782
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:02,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if Marv Levy went into the Pro

1783
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:05,640
Speaker 2: Football Hall of Fame on his first He made it

1784
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:08,840
Speaker 2: in his third year of eligibility, and so it feels

1785
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:11,720
Speaker 2: like and I could keep doing this, I don't want

1786
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 2: to do it on the air because it's bad radio.

1787
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 2: I don't know who the last coach to make the

1788
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall of Fame on the first ballot is,

1789
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 2: But if it's not Bill Belichick, who's it going to be.

1790
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 2: And I'm sure there were voters who decided I'm not

1791
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 2: going to vote for him on the first ballot because

1792
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 2: of Spygate, which was a legitimate scandal. Now the deflate

1793
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:39,680
Speaker 2: Gate thing was a nothing burger. You talk about the

1794
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 2: greatest nontroversy of all time, that might be it. And

1795
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:46,720
Speaker 2: maybe there was a writer who held it against him

1796
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 2: his prickly personality during press conferences. And by the way,

1797
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:51,639
Speaker 2: there have been a ton of players who took way

1798
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:54,600
Speaker 2: too long, Like Marvin Harrison didn't get in on the

1799
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 2: first try, Tara Lowans didn't get in on the first try,

1800
01:35:57,160 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 2: Chris Carter didn't get in the first try. Just dudes

1801
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 2: that you look at their numbers and you're like, how

1802
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 2: the hell's that guy not an immediate first ballot Hall

1803
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 2: of Famer. Baseball Hall of Fame voting can be sort

1804
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:09,600
Speaker 2: of silly. I don't think it's as dumb as the

1805
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall of Fame. You had a coach who

1806
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 2: won six rings, and that guy can't get it on

1807
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 2: the first ballot.

1808
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 3: What are we doing, Mike? You've waited patiently. Go ahead.

1809
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 6: You know you have a subtle way of weighing down

1810
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 6: the hammer. Pretty cool?

1811
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:31,320
Speaker 3: How did I lay the hammer down on?

1812
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 10: No?

1813
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 6: As a listener, you better be paying attention because when

1814
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 6: me Eger says.

1815
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 2: You're on, you better be ready damn straight, because.

1816
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 6: We know, we know many times I haven't been and

1817
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 6: you've been kind enough to cut me some sweat. Okay,

1818
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:52,639
Speaker 6: two things. That's it. It seems to me now there's

1819
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 6: just a I just wish you were I had grown

1820
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 6: up when I grew up, because you'd have been much

1821
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:03,679
Speaker 6: happier about the inner in Tonati Sports fam. You really

1822
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 6: would have, you really well, you would have. You know

1823
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 6: that you're a historian.

1824
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 2: You know that I've seen the Reds win the World Series.

1825
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:13,679
Speaker 2: I've seen U Se play in a Final four. I've

1826
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 2: seen the Bengals play in two Super Bowls. I was

1827
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 2: alive for the first, but I don't remember it like

1828
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:22,160
Speaker 2: I've had some high points. I'm happy to be a

1829
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 2: part of the generation that I'm a part of.

1830
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:27,679
Speaker 6: Well, what are you sixty? I thought you were forty something?

1831
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:28,639
Speaker 2: Forty something?

1832
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:33,799
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, okay, all right. I just get the feeling

1833
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:40,480
Speaker 6: that the ownership or the general managership this Reds team,

1834
01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 6: I mean, are they just trying to deceive people? I mean,

1835
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 6: what if you know that this thing ain't going nowhere fast?

1836
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:51,760
Speaker 6: If something doesn't change, it's just not going to mo

1837
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 6: I don't care what you say or what you think.

1838
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 6: It's not going to go anywhere where you want it

1839
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,680
Speaker 6: to go unless something changes.

1840
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:03,680
Speaker 2: Dramatic with regards to how the Reds do business or

1841
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 2: baseball's economics.

1842
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 6: With regards to the personnel on the team. Yeah, and

1843
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:15,680
Speaker 6: being realistic about the monetary commitment.

1844
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 12: That it takes, you know that that kind of I

1845
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 12: just I just don't feel it from this team. I

1846
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 12: don't feel that commitments. And I know, you know a

1847
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 12: lot of people like to just go down to the park,

1848
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:30,679
Speaker 12: and there's nothing wrong with that, just to watch baseball,

1849
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 12: and if you win, you win, you lose, you lose.

1850
01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:37,400
Speaker 12: It's just part of the experience, which is fun. But

1851
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:39,200
Speaker 12: we all want more than that.

1852
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:46,240
Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, I desire to see the Cincinnati Reds be

1853
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:51,320
Speaker 2: consistent playoff team. Did to have a team have an

1854
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 2: organization that it is is consistently relevant, consistently relevant every

1855
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:04,559
Speaker 2: single year. Now, some years you might be relevant and

1856
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:08,920
Speaker 2: miss the postseason. Other years you may have a team

1857
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:10,640
Speaker 2: that you look at as the lead dog in the

1858
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 2: sport and they're they're bona fide championship contenders, and for

1859
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 2: whatever reason, they just don't win. The whole thing. I

1860
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:20,800
Speaker 2: can live with that. What you can't live with what

1861
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:26,799
Speaker 2: is frustrating is they've dragged us through a lot of losing.

1862
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:31,000
Speaker 2: I mean they've dragged They went from nineteen ninety five

1863
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 2: through twenty ten without appearing in a postseason game. They

1864
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,600
Speaker 2: had a lost decade in the two thousands, that is

1865
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 2: akin to the Bengals lost decade of the nineteen nineties,

1866
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 2: where they didn't have a winning season. Between two thousand

1867
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 2: and twenty ten, they finally have this like influx of

1868
01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 2: really good players that they develop and come through their system,

1869
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 2: and in ten, twelve, and thirteen, good teams, good teams,

1870
01:39:57,120 --> 01:40:00,240
Speaker 2: fun teams, and all right things didn't fall their in

1871
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 2: the postseason. They then subsequently dragged us through basically a

1872
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:08,839
Speaker 2: decade of nothing where every single year two thousand and fifteen, sixteen,

1873
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:11,759
Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen, you knew they were gonna lose ninety games.

1874
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 2: Twenty nineteen, you didn't think they were going to win

1875
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 2: more than seventy five.

1876
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:18,080
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty two, you knew they were gonna be bad.

1877
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:20,679
Speaker 2: They lose one hundred games, and you go, Okay, there's

1878
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:22,680
Speaker 2: got to be a payoff to this. I think the

1879
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 2: payoff could come, and maybe it does. It doesn't feel

1880
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:28,519
Speaker 2: like they're relentless in the pursuit of that payoff. And

1881
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 2: that is if you care about this franchise as much

1882
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:35,200
Speaker 2: as so many of us do, deeply, deeply frustrating.

1883
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'll want to rehask this one time, and

1884
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:43,320
Speaker 6: then I got one question about the Bengals defensive line

1885
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:48,320
Speaker 6: after this comment. I've said this to you before one time.

1886
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:50,760
Speaker 6: I think I was in a hotel room in West

1887
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:54,600
Speaker 6: Virginia in two thousand and I don't know thirteen. When

1888
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:57,800
Speaker 6: were you on the national broadcast with ESPN.

1889
01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 3: Twenty thirteen through twenty twenty.

1890
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:05,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, See, people, do you realize that mo Egar was

1891
01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 6: on the same national thing that like Dan Patrick was on.

1892
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 6: You guys got to realize you got a gym right.

1893
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 2: Here, and mister, they couldn't care less than nor should they?

1894
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:24,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, they should because that's important. Okay, Bengals, is

1895
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:27,479
Speaker 6: it really well? I know it is, but I don't

1896
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:30,080
Speaker 6: know how critical it is when it comes to the

1897
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:33,600
Speaker 6: interior defensive line. I'm not so sure about the addresses,

1898
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 6: but the interior defensive line. It seems like these teams

1899
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:43,559
Speaker 6: that really win have rotational a rotational thing. Maybe they

1900
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 6: got four interior alignment or at least three to keep

1901
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:51,720
Speaker 6: everybody fresh. And how relevant do you think that is?

1902
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 10: Oh?

1903
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 2: Very yeah, very they can take advantage of. I mean,

1904
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:59,640
Speaker 2: roster death is important everywhere. But yeah, I mean I

1905
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 2: what I when I think of the Bengals when they've

1906
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 2: been good, you know, it's it's obviously been DJ Reader

1907
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 2: and it's been Geno Atkins well before him, but Larry

1908
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:13,080
Speaker 2: Ogunjobi and BJ Hill and not on the same team

1909
01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:17,320
Speaker 2: going back aways Domata Peko and you know, there being

1910
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 2: some depth and I think what's happened is unfortunately, you know,

1911
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 2: they address defensive tackle early in the twenty twenty five draft,

1912
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, in the twenty twenty four draft with Chris

1913
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:31,400
Speaker 2: Jenkins and McKinley Jackson. Neither guy is panned out. So

1914
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 2: what I think what you're hoping for and you can't

1915
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:36,160
Speaker 2: count on this, which is why they have to go

1916
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:39,200
Speaker 2: get players. But by now, those guys were expected to

1917
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:41,680
Speaker 2: be starters. Those guys were expected to be guys that

1918
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 2: you could ask to do a lot more. They haven't

1919
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:46,840
Speaker 2: even been able to stick as rotational players, and so

1920
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,360
Speaker 2: in the short term, they haven't had a lot of depth.

1921
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 2: And in the long term, there's nobody to take on

1922
01:42:52,040 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 2: a bigger role among players who have been here for

1923
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:55,799
Speaker 2: a couple of years gaining experience.

1924
01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:00,120
Speaker 6: Right. So that's just a question I wanted to ask

1925
01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:04,240
Speaker 6: because it seems like most of these really successful teams

1926
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 6: have that depth. Okay, oh, my sisters, and my sister's

1927
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 6: here at knocking on my door. Thanks, mo, I gotta go.

1928
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 2: Tell your sister.

1929
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:13,720
Speaker 10: Hi.

1930
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:17,760
Speaker 2: It's twenty eight away from six o'clock. Joe Gibbs did

1931
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:19,880
Speaker 2: not get in on the first ballot.

1932
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 3: I gotta look and see.

1933
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Speaker 2: If Bill Walsh got in on the first Maybe this

1934
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:25,640
Speaker 2: is just a thing I don't know, and I'm no

1935
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 2: Patriots fan by any stretch. I'm know Bill Belichick fan,

1936
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:31,559
Speaker 2: One of the very few terms I've muted on Twitter

1937
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 2: is Bill Belichick and girlfriend because I can't think of

1938
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Speaker 2: a story that is dumber or matters less than anything

1939
01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 2: involving Bill Belichick and his girlfriend. But if you care

1940
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:45,919
Speaker 2: it all about the Hall of Fame, and most sports

1941
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:48,519
Speaker 2: fans do, how do you keep out a dude that's

1942
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:52,280
Speaker 2: won the championship six times? And what other sport would

1943
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:57,320
Speaker 2: that happen? Would a six time World Series manager be

1944
01:43:57,439 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 2: excluded from Cooperstown?

1945
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 3: Let me help you with that. The answer is no.

1946
01:44:02,439 --> 01:44:04,640
Speaker 2: There are managers who have won one who are in

1947
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:08,760
Speaker 2: Cooperstown and deserved to be, like Bobby Cox, like Jim Leland.

1948
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:12,240
Speaker 2: There's NBA coaches who have not won a title who

1949
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 2: are in the Hall of Fame, Rudy Tom Johanovich, Jerry Sloan,

1950
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:20,920
Speaker 2: among others. There's obviously college basketball coaches who haven't won

1951
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:25,080
Speaker 2: the whole thing who are in Springfield. Bob Huggins Pro

1952
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:30,439
Speaker 2: Football Hall of Fame. Dude's got six rings. Nah, it

1953
01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 2: is It is rare. It is rare that any sort

1954
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:35,679
Speaker 2: of Hall of Fame vote as befuddles me this one,

1955
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 2: And again, I couldn't care. I couldn't care less about

1956
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:43,680
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick's boring for the most part. But

1957
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:45,960
Speaker 2: how do you tell the story of the National Football

1958
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:49,600
Speaker 2: League without without spending extensive amounts of time on Bill Belichick?

1959
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:52,000
Speaker 2: That guy not good enough to get to Canton on

1960
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 2: the first ballot? Why because of Spygate? Seriously, he was

1961
01:44:57,840 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer before Spygate.

1962
01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:04,599
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1963
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1974
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1975
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1976
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1977
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Speaker 2: The Yours for Life kelseyshow dot Com. College basketball tonight

1978
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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty to Kentucky Wildcats and one five straight.

1979
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:04,160
Speaker 2: They're on the road tonight against Vanderbilt. Good Vanderbilt team tough,

1980
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:07,120
Speaker 2: plays to play Commodore has recently broke a three game.

1981
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 3: Losing skid of their own.

1982
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:11,719
Speaker 2: Nine PM tip, seven to thirty pre game on ESPN

1983
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:14,080
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. Miami looks to make in twenty one and

1984
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:17,120
Speaker 2: zho After a week off, The RedHawks are hosting UMAs

1985
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:19,840
Speaker 2: tonight at nine. The minute Men are thirteen and eight,

1986
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:22,759
Speaker 2: four and five in MAC play. By the way, Travis

1987
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:24,920
Speaker 2: Steel on our show yesterday. If you missed it, it's

1988
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:28,200
Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app. Dayton's lost two straight. The Flyers

1989
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 2: take on Rhode Island tonight at seven pm. Indiana recently

1990
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:34,160
Speaker 2: broke a four game losing streak with a win on

1991
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:37,479
Speaker 2: Friday over Rutgers. The Hoosiers take on Purdue tonight. Does

1992
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:41,080
Speaker 2: anybody care about Indiana basketball anymore? Since the football teams,

1993
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:45,920
Speaker 2: you know, National champions.

1994
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:47,719
Speaker 3: Bills have hired Joe Brady as their head coach.

1995
01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:51,479
Speaker 2: He was their offensive coordinator And I'm sorry, this is

1996
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:56,040
Speaker 2: just befuddling to me. According to Adam Schefter, Bill Belichick

1997
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:57,840
Speaker 2: is not a first ballot Hall of Famer.

1998
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:00,880
Speaker 3: I've done some very preliminary research.

1999
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:04,240
Speaker 2: Here, and I've got to look up Vince Lombardi, although

2000
01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 2: I would imagine he was. Paul Brown, Chuck Noll, Don Shula,

2001
01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:12,559
Speaker 2: Tom Landry, and George Hallis were all first ballot Hall

2002
01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:16,200
Speaker 2: of Famers. George Hallis went in in the Hall of

2003
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 2: Fame's first ever class in nineteen sixty three. Paul Brown

2004
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:21,559
Speaker 2: was already in the Hall of Fame when he founded

2005
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:25,439
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals. In both men's cases obviously deservedly so.

2006
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:28,519
Speaker 2: Same for Chuck Noll, same for Don Shula, same for

2007
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:31,679
Speaker 2: Tom Landry, and I ran out of time during the break.

2008
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 2: I am going to assume that Vince Lombardi was also

2009
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:37,240
Speaker 2: a first ballot Pro Football Hall of Famer.

2010
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:38,679
Speaker 3: Now balloting has changed.

2011
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:42,320
Speaker 2: I get that other coaches who have gotten in have

2012
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:44,799
Speaker 2: not gone in on the first ballot, like Joe Gibbs

2013
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:47,639
Speaker 2: had to wait a couple of years, Tony Dungee, Bill Cower,

2014
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:54,639
Speaker 2: Bill Parcells, uh, Bill Bellett. I mean, it's like Tom

2015
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:57,040
Speaker 2: Brady not going in on the first ballot, And maybe

2016
01:47:57,080 --> 01:48:01,120
Speaker 2: it's not Apples to apples, But legitimately, like as a

2017
01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:04,800
Speaker 2: as a football fan, you want to take your the

2018
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:08,760
Speaker 2: sports Hall of Fame seriously, and there's gonna be exclusions.

2019
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 2: Every Hall of Fame has exclusions. I believe wholeheartedly that

2020
01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:16,400
Speaker 2: Ken Anderson deserves to be in. If Ken Anderson got in,

2021
01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:18,320
Speaker 2: then there's there's somebody else who's gonna raise their hand

2022
01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:19,840
Speaker 2: and say I should be in. Like there's always gonna

2023
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:24,200
Speaker 2: be just calls like that where somebody there's always gonna

2024
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:26,400
Speaker 2: be like the best players not in the Hall of Fame.

2025
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:29,600
Speaker 2: Baseball has them, Basketball has them, although I feel like

2026
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:32,960
Speaker 2: Springfield lets pretty much anybody whoever averaged twenty points a

2027
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:38,679
Speaker 2: game in. But like an eight time coach, eight times

2028
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:41,280
Speaker 2: Super Bowl winning coach doesn't get to Canton on the

2029
01:48:41,320 --> 01:48:47,760
Speaker 2: first ballot. It that that strains the credibility of your

2030
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:52,120
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. An exclusion a player with a great

2031
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 2: resume that the voters look at and go not like

2032
01:48:56,160 --> 01:48:58,800
Speaker 2: the best of the best of the best e And

2033
01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:01,400
Speaker 2: you hate it if you are attached to those players.

2034
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:04,400
Speaker 2: And I hated for Ken Anderson because as a human being,

2035
01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 2: he deserves to be in. But he's got a Hall

2036
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:08,760
Speaker 2: of Fame resume if you look at it objectively, which

2037
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:11,240
Speaker 2: is what you're supposed to do. I have no idea,

2038
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 2: legitimately no idea. We talk about this in baseball all

2039
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:19,680
Speaker 2: the time. There's only been one unanimous first ballot Hall

2040
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:24,400
Speaker 2: of Famer, Mariano Rivera, which means every other Hall of Famer,

2041
01:49:24,439 --> 01:49:26,360
Speaker 2: like there were people who looked at Ricky Henderson and

2042
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:30,639
Speaker 2: were like, yeah, nah, or people who looked at Greg

2043
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:34,599
Speaker 2: Maddox and were like somebody looked at twenty one people

2044
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:36,600
Speaker 2: didn't vote for Willy Mays the year he got in

2045
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:39,160
Speaker 2: the first time. On the first ballot, twenty one people

2046
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:44,320
Speaker 2: looked at Willy Mays and were like nah. Ten people

2047
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:47,439
Speaker 2: eighty percent looked at Bill Belichick on this ballot, and

2048
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:49,599
Speaker 2: we're like, I don't know, man, he could have done

2049
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:50,479
Speaker 2: a little bit more.

2050
01:49:55,880 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 6: That.

2051
01:49:56,160 --> 01:50:00,640
Speaker 2: The Pro Football Hall of Fame officially zero ability, and

2052
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:05,160
Speaker 2: there have been absolute behemous as players who have taken

2053
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 2: too long to get in. If you look at the

2054
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:12,120
Speaker 2: numbers put up by Tarall Owens and Chris Carter, look

2055
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 2: at them and then ask yourself, why was neither guy

2056
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:16,599
Speaker 2: in on the first ballot? Ultimately both guys got in.

2057
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:21,240
Speaker 2: Chris Carter had to wait forever. Seriously, this one though,

2058
01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:27,759
Speaker 2: this Hall of Fame has zero credibility. Cooper'stown doesn't have much,

2059
01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:36,840
Speaker 2: Canton has none. Unbelievable, We have folks waiting patiently five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

2060
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:40,400
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty, Jim and Milford, go ahead, You're on ESPN

2061
01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:42,360
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty.

2062
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:46,800
Speaker 11: So my initial reaction when you said that is, if

2063
01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:50,479
Speaker 11: Belichick doesn't get in and burn the place down, that's

2064
01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:56,640
Speaker 11: that's ridiculous, absurd, it's absurd, not only with the credentials

2065
01:50:56,680 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 11: and wards that he got and the trophies and everything.

2066
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:05,519
Speaker 11: Do you know even to this day, even at the

2067
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:08,880
Speaker 11: Super Bowl, he's gotten an effect. You know what that

2068
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:13,600
Speaker 11: is is when you win the coin toss and you

2069
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 11: defer to the second half, that was Belichick's idea. He changed.

2070
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:25,760
Speaker 11: He changed the fact of let's kick a field goal

2071
01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:29,040
Speaker 11: with two minutes under two minutes left in the first half,

2072
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:33,599
Speaker 11: and let's get the ball back right at the beginning

2073
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:36,960
Speaker 11: of the second half. That was Belichick. And that's something

2074
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:41,400
Speaker 11: he has changed right down the line. I mean, that's

2075
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:45,960
Speaker 11: that's him. He's got his signature all over that. Yeah,

2076
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:49,240
Speaker 11: the fact that he's won all these trophies good lord.

2077
01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:52,439
Speaker 11: I mean that's it. That's you know, like you said,

2078
01:51:52,479 --> 01:51:55,000
Speaker 11: Willie Mays and Babe Ruth. It's like saying, you know,

2079
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:58,600
Speaker 11: well do So here's my question. I don't want to

2080
01:51:58,600 --> 01:52:03,240
Speaker 11: get you upset. Let's calm down, because we got nice

2081
01:52:03,240 --> 01:52:09,160
Speaker 11: snow on the ground and everything, you know, everything looks Yeah,

2082
01:52:09,400 --> 01:52:13,799
Speaker 11: so let's do you think it's these Hall of Fames

2083
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:17,920
Speaker 11: are more of a popularity contest rather than accolades for

2084
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:19,759
Speaker 11: what you've done.

2085
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 2: I think for the most part, there a reflection of

2086
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:24,680
Speaker 2: how the voters feel about your accolades.

2087
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:26,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for the most part.

2088
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:29,800
Speaker 11: And again I said that my popularity contests of like,

2089
01:52:31,160 --> 01:52:35,320
Speaker 11: you know, like if the guy's you know, like Belichick's

2090
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:38,000
Speaker 11: kind of a jerk, right, here's a jerk to the media.

2091
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:41,679
Speaker 11: He was, you know, kept everything close to the vest,

2092
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:47,840
Speaker 11: was not very popular. Do you think he's seeing the

2093
01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:50,840
Speaker 11: results of not being well liked anecdotally?

2094
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:52,679
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's the case. Yeah.

2095
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:57,200
Speaker 2: I you know, I know more about the bylaws of

2096
01:52:57,560 --> 01:52:59,840
Speaker 2: Baseball Hall of Fame voting. Where there's supposed to be

2097
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 2: a character clause, there shouldn't be, right, because I think

2098
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:07,400
Speaker 2: baseball writers are qualified to speak of someone's baseball credentials,

2099
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 2: but they employ the character clause, for example, to keep

2100
01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:14,120
Speaker 2: out somebody like Kurt Schilling. There's a lot of things

2101
01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:17,479
Speaker 2: like Pete's not even been on the ballot, right, So

2102
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:19,600
Speaker 2: it's not even their fault. The Hall of Fame is

2103
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:21,600
Speaker 2: just said, well, he's ineligible to be in baseball, so

2104
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:24,400
Speaker 2: he's ineligible to be in our Hall of Fame. I

2105
01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:26,439
Speaker 2: believe he should have been put on the ballot, but

2106
01:53:26,479 --> 01:53:28,960
Speaker 2: you can't blame the voters for that. Voters will apply

2107
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:31,800
Speaker 2: their own criteria. Voters will apply their own bias, their

2108
01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:34,960
Speaker 2: human beings. Part of me can understand that, But sometimes

2109
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:38,439
Speaker 2: there is a resume that is so clear cut good

2110
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:43,400
Speaker 2: that it stands. Eddie Murray was famously just awful to writers,

2111
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:46,280
Speaker 2: but you couldn't look at his numbers and go, dude,

2112
01:53:46,439 --> 01:53:48,880
Speaker 2: not a Hall of Famer like he clearly was. And

2113
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:51,519
Speaker 2: so I'm sure there were writers who begrudgingly were like,

2114
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:52,960
Speaker 2: you know what, this guy was a jerk to me.

2115
01:53:53,200 --> 01:53:55,640
Speaker 2: But the resume is so damn good, I'm going to

2116
01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:58,639
Speaker 2: put him in. How does that not happen with Bill Belichick?

2117
01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:01,640
Speaker 11: That's what I'm saying. The writers and the people that

2118
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:05,000
Speaker 11: vote are like here's my chance to really stick it

2119
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:05,360
Speaker 11: to him.

2120
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:09,240
Speaker 2: Maybe, And so what I love about the Baseball Hall

2121
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:12,240
Speaker 2: of Fame process is you may take issue with it,

2122
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:14,919
Speaker 2: but it's pretty cut and dry. Right here are the voters.

2123
01:54:15,240 --> 01:54:17,880
Speaker 2: Most of them reveal their ballots, many of them write

2124
01:54:17,920 --> 01:54:21,520
Speaker 2: opinion pieces on their ballot. There is a level of transparency.

2125
01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:24,000
Speaker 2: You know how many ballots are out there, you know

2126
01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:27,120
Speaker 2: what percentage each candidate has to get in order to

2127
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:30,320
Speaker 2: get induction. It's pretty cut and dry. The Pro Football

2128
01:54:30,439 --> 01:54:33,840
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame voting process has always been weird and

2129
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:36,960
Speaker 2: sort of shrouded in secrecy, and we don't entirely know

2130
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:39,960
Speaker 2: how it works. What I am hopeful for is some

2131
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:41,840
Speaker 2: of the people, and I doubt that this will happen,

2132
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:43,960
Speaker 2: but maybe it does, is that some of the people

2133
01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:48,000
Speaker 2: who voted know on Bill Belichick explain their reason why.

2134
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:50,480
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's going to be someone who says, look,

2135
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:53,680
Speaker 2: there were too many cheating scandals that he was connected

2136
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:56,200
Speaker 2: to for me to give him a first ballot.

2137
01:54:56,360 --> 01:54:57,120
Speaker 3: I don't agree with.

2138
01:54:57,080 --> 01:54:59,960
Speaker 2: That take, but I would at least like to hear it.

2139
01:55:00,040 --> 01:55:02,360
Speaker 2: If that's how you feel, tell me, and what I

2140
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 2: like about the Baseball Hall of fame is not everyone,

2141
01:55:05,280 --> 01:55:08,720
Speaker 2: but most writers. Here's my ballot. Here's why I voted

2142
01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:12,200
Speaker 2: the way I did. I often disagree.

2143
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:13,720
Speaker 3: Go ahead, go ahead.

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Speaker 11: I scandals are like fine, and scandals are his scandals

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01:55:18,920 --> 01:55:21,000
Speaker 11: are like fine and the hair and soup. I guess

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01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:23,480
Speaker 11: it runs the whole soup, right, It's like, come on.

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Speaker 2: Well, I always say I'm a body of work guy,

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01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:27,880
Speaker 2: A body of work dude. One eight titles. I don't

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Speaker 2: get it, Jim, I gotta run man. Thanks, Yep, it

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01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:35,400
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense. Doesn't make any sense. Pat, you're

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01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:36,880
Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty high.

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Speaker 8: Pat, let's make some sense out of some future bets

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01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:46,080
Speaker 8: for college basketball championship. Okay, I'm gonna give you hypothetical

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01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:50,760
Speaker 8: thousand dollars. Oh, I'm gonna run a couple of teams

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01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:52,560
Speaker 8: by you tell me if you want to look at

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01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:56,800
Speaker 8: how quick airs under the opposite four to one, do

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01:55:57,200 --> 01:56:01,120
Speaker 8: nine to one, Early at eleven to one.

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01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:06,280
Speaker 10: Gators defending champions twenty two to one, h.

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01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:08,280
Speaker 8: To the Izzo at twenty five to one.

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01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:11,480
Speaker 3: You're beloved, bear cat.

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Speaker 6: Far that's cool.

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01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:15,160
Speaker 11: That far.

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01:56:16,440 --> 01:56:17,440
Speaker 3: I think they're they're.

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01:56:17,320 --> 01:56:18,040
Speaker 8: I think they're.

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Speaker 2: One hundred to one, so to make the tournament or

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Speaker 2: win the whole thing.

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Speaker 8: Michigan win the whole time. Michigan's basically five to one.

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Speaker 8: I would stay fourteen to one, produce sixteen to one.

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Speaker 8: He had a thousand bucks. That's Santuary twenty seventh.

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Speaker 11: Wait too early?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so do you like it?

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01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:40,160
Speaker 2: I think right now? The abba? I think right now

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01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:44,800
Speaker 2: the answer has to be Arizona. Now, Tommy Lloyd's postseason

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Speaker 2: track record with similarly talented teams maybe isn't the best.

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01:56:50,760 --> 01:56:53,600
Speaker 2: Uh yukon Steam is terrific. Should have beaten Arizona in

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01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:55,960
Speaker 2: that game they play head to head. Hurley is still

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Speaker 2: the best coach in the country. But like I watched

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01:56:58,920 --> 01:57:01,640
Speaker 2: Arizona last night and granted they fell apart in the

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Speaker 2: final four minutes and tried to give that game away

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01:57:04,120 --> 01:57:07,840
Speaker 2: to BYU, they are the team that when I watch them,

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01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:11,080
Speaker 2: they're the one that most often has me go, holy crap,

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01:57:11,120 --> 01:57:14,600
Speaker 2: they're good, or how do you beat this team? They're

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01:57:14,600 --> 01:57:16,960
Speaker 2: not a great outside shooting team. Maybe that fatal flaw

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01:57:17,080 --> 01:57:19,600
Speaker 2: catches up to them, but they also don't like force

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01:57:19,640 --> 01:57:21,560
Speaker 2: a lot of threes either. They don't play into their

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01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:24,400
Speaker 2: weakness and so if I had to bet one. It

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01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:27,800
Speaker 2: would be Arizona, but I would understand a wager on Michigan.

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01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:31,120
Speaker 2: I would understand a wager on Yukon after watching them

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01:57:31,160 --> 01:57:33,560
Speaker 2: last night, I would certainly understand a wager on Duke

2190
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:36,040
Speaker 2: where what they did to Louisville in the final thirty

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01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:39,600
Speaker 2: minutes of that game was was something to behold. I

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Speaker 2: would I think they're flying more under the radar than usual.

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01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:46,520
Speaker 2: I would understand a wager on Gonzaga. I wouldn't understand

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01:57:46,520 --> 01:57:49,520
Speaker 2: one on Iowa State. I would not understand one on Illinois.

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01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:52,600
Speaker 2: I love Houston, That's why I want to win. I

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01:57:52,600 --> 01:57:56,360
Speaker 2: think they're too slow Nebraska. I'm not quite there yet,

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Speaker 2: but I reserve the right to change my mind.

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Speaker 10: You fly.

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Speaker 3: There is four hundred to one.

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Speaker 8: That is generational money for your dad.

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Speaker 3: I She could then actually afford to go to the

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Speaker 3: University of Dayton. Pat, thank you. We're done. Tomorrow on

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Speaker 3: the show, We're gonna go to Mobile.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna hear from Rick Boring in We're gonna talk

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01:58:12,600 --> 01:58:15,600
Speaker 2: with t Higgins and Chase Brown. Anything you might have

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01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:19,200
Speaker 2: missed go find on the iHeartRadio app. Bill Belichick not

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Speaker 2: a first ballot Hall of Famer that credibility for that

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01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:28,120
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame is out the window now. Now Ken

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Speaker 2: Anderson has to get in to give it any sort

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Speaker 2: of credibility. We're done. Have a great night. Thanks to

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Speaker 2: Tarran for producing, and uh thanks to you for listening.

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