WEBVTT - Bengals Game Plan -- 9/30/26

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<v Speaker 3>a special guest joining us until 7 o'clock tonight, and

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<v Speaker 3>allow me to introduce him. He was a seventh-round draft

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<v Speaker 3>pick by the Bengals back in 1977. He played for

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<v Speaker 3>the Bengals for 10 years, and he is one of

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<v Speaker 3>Cincinnati's all-time best cornerbacks, number two all-time in franchise history

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<v Speaker 3>in interceptions, and He was an all-pro in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 3>He started for the Bengals in their first Super Bowl appearance,

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<v Speaker 3>Super Bowl XVI. Please welcome the great, former number 34,

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<v Speaker 3>Louis Breeden.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did you have to tell everyone the year that

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<v Speaker 2>I came in? Because I saw people doing the math

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<v Speaker 2>to try and figure out how old I am. I

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<v Speaker 2>really appreciate that thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But here's the thing. If they do and they look

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<v Speaker 3>at you, they'll go, holy cow, that guy was drafted

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<v Speaker 3>in 1977? You could pass for being drafted in 1997.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they would still know my age, though. If they

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<v Speaker 2>can do the math.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a big if.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a big if.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, you and Eric Thomas, E.T., are two guys

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<v Speaker 5>that look like you could still stay out on the

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<v Speaker 5>field right now to this day.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you work out a lot, or is it just

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<v Speaker 4>natural for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Work out. Could you explain what working out is?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, hitting a driver, then a wedge, and then using

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<v Speaker 4>a putter.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if it's eating, what are these, cupcakes, and if

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<v Speaker 2>it's eating, you know, wings, and if it's that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of working out right now, I can do that. Mine

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<v Speaker 2>is basically genetics because I will work out. doing the

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<v Speaker 2>fall and doing the winter. When it gets cold. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>when it gets warm, when it warms up, I'm out

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<v Speaker 2>playing golf. And once I start, I'm out of the gym.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't go back to the gym anymore. But once it...

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<v Speaker 2>I start going back to the gym around November. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do that up until April. And then I'll take

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the year off. It's my vacation from

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<v Speaker 2>working out. Tell you what, it's basically a perfect routine. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a perfect routine. I never... When I was playing,

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<v Speaker 2>I was listed at one... 85 throughout my career. When

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<v Speaker 2>I got here, I was 177. I never got to 185,

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<v Speaker 2>but for some reason, they listed me. I guess it

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<v Speaker 2>made better sense because they didn't have to change anything

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<v Speaker 2>in the program for me the whole time because I

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<v Speaker 2>never gained any weight. I stayed either. I may have

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<v Speaker 2>been 185 maybe one season, but for the most part,

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<v Speaker 2>I was a little bit under 185.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, sometimes on the roster, if a guy

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<v Speaker 3>is 5'11, they say he's six feet tall. Things along

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<v Speaker 3>those lines. Do you think they wanted other teams to think,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, he's 185. He's going to be a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit harder to push around than a 177.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they were being just cheap with the program.

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<v Speaker 2>They just didn't want to change anything. But you know what?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you're six feet, no one is very

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<v Speaker 2>few people are actually six feet. They will go up

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<v Speaker 2>or down a little bit. Usually they're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>up in basketball. They would go about four or five

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<v Speaker 2>inches up. In football, they'll do that too along with

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<v Speaker 2>the weight because they want the opposing team to say, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 2>this team is big. And then when they go on

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<v Speaker 2>the field, this guy's not that big at all. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we can take him. But I was always that way.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always been able to control my weight. I've just

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<v Speaker 2>never gained a lot of weight without working that hard.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's not good because I need to be working harder.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, let's talk about one historic moment with you, a

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<v Speaker 5>102-yard interception return. 1981, I believe it was, against the Chargers.

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<v Speaker 5>Is that play one that's still vivid in your mind? Or,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, as we age, sometimes we forget about things.

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<v Speaker 5>But I've got to believe that's still in the forefront.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have age, so nothing is vivid anymore. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what vivid is. Yeah, it's... It's the play

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<v Speaker 2>that most people will always bring up. And that was

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<v Speaker 2>our Super Bowl season, and it was out in San Diego.

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<v Speaker 2>San Diego Chargers were always a tough team. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they threw the ball. At that time, they were the team.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like everyone else now. The NFL hadn't caught up

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<v Speaker 2>with the San Diego Chargers, but We were able to

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<v Speaker 2>handle them out there. I think we beat them something

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<v Speaker 2>like 41 to 17, maybe something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, 40 to 17.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm close. And I got an interception just before the half.

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<v Speaker 2>They were driving to score, which would have changed the game,

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<v Speaker 2>the momentum of the game, away from home. So I

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<v Speaker 2>got there and ran it back. I was tired as

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<v Speaker 2>heck out in San Diego. But we beat a very

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<v Speaker 2>good team on their turf. And, you know, when we

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<v Speaker 2>played them in the freezer bowl, they complained about the weather.

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<v Speaker 2>They're saying, hey, man, we would have beat you guys

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<v Speaker 2>if we would have played in, you know, better conditions.

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<v Speaker 2>But how quickly we forget that we beat you only

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<v Speaker 2>a few weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 4>In those said conditions.

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<v Speaker 2>In your conditions, man.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the play I think of is from the freezer

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<v Speaker 3>bowl because you intercepted Dan Fouts under those conditions. Did

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<v Speaker 3>the ball hurt? Did it feel like you were catching

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<v Speaker 3>a rock at Minus 50 windchill.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Dan Faust. He threw me quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I say that jokingly because he's a great player,

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<v Speaker 2>a great quarterback. Kenny Anderson, how he did it, I

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<v Speaker 2>think we'll be trying to figure that out for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time now. He threw the ball. He threw spirals.

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<v Speaker 2>He threw it straight. And Dan Faust, the ball went

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<v Speaker 2>all over the place. I mean, it was... Kenny Anderson

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<v Speaker 2>was MVP that ball game. You know, I mean, he

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<v Speaker 2>actually earned it. It was amazing the way he was

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<v Speaker 2>able to control the tempo of the game and the

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<v Speaker 2>passing game, which not a lot of balls were through,

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<v Speaker 2>but when Kenny threw it, he threw it on target.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember one particular play, Danny Fowles. We were in

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<v Speaker 2>a zone, and Danny Fowles threw a ball in the area.

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<v Speaker 2>The receiver jumped. I jumped. Ken Riley jumped. All three

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<v Speaker 2>of us in the air, you could see it, and

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<v Speaker 2>the ball is landing at our feet. The ball just

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<v Speaker 2>dropped out there, just whomped, because no one knew, other

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<v Speaker 2>than Kenny Anderson, no one knew where the ball was going.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, let me ask you this about that game, because

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<v Speaker 5>Dave Lapham talks about how, as a unit, the offensive.

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<v Speaker 4>Line said, we're going out with sleeves and things.

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<v Speaker 5>As defensive backs and a guy from North Carolina where

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<v Speaker 5>it's never really that cold, how did you prepare in

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<v Speaker 5>terms of what you wore that day?

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<v Speaker 2>I went hunting to see if I could find a

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<v Speaker 2>bear and skin it. Dave Lapp, you saw those guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Those guys are big. You know Lapp back then. We

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<v Speaker 2>always talked about Dave because Dave had those big guns, man.

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<v Speaker 2>Still does. They were cannons. And so was Anthony and Max.

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<v Speaker 2>All those guys. Just huge. And I'm like. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like this.

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<v Speaker 3>You were 177 as we have learned.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, 177. Two guns, but they were like this. So

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<v Speaker 2>these guys come out of there, and they're like, and

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<v Speaker 2>they put Vaseline all in the arms. They're looking all strong,

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<v Speaker 2>and their stuff is all, you know, up to here.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going like, no way. I actually that day,

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<v Speaker 2>because there was this talk, you know, guys, they would

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<v Speaker 2>tell you how you can prepare yourself. They can say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you wear some sleeves, but if you want, you can

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<v Speaker 2>wear pantyhose. Now, don't start talking about me. I actually

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<v Speaker 2>went that day before. I actually, because it was cold,

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to wear some pantyhose. Pantyhose feels good, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>if anyone wants to know. I tried. I put on

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<v Speaker 2>some pantyhose, and I actually said, there's no way I

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<v Speaker 2>can wear these things, man. I mean, and I took

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<v Speaker 2>them off, and I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Because of how they felt or because of what.

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<v Speaker 2>They make you feel? Yeah, they just, the smallest thing

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<v Speaker 2>can make you feel a little bit restricted. So I

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<v Speaker 2>took them off, and I said, And it wasn't, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was the first time we ever had those heaters

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<v Speaker 2>on the sideline. And I'm pretty sure the people who

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<v Speaker 2>were watching the game on the sideline, up in the stands,

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<v Speaker 2>were a lot colder than we were. Because at least

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<v Speaker 2>we had the heaters when we came off the field.

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<v Speaker 2>Then when you're on the field, you get a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit cold. But just playing that game and the memories

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<v Speaker 2>of it and that game getting us to the Super

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl was worth the minus 59 below.

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard guys say who played in the game that

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<v Speaker 3>it changed their thermostat. They've never been able to handle

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<v Speaker 3>cold as well since. Did anything like that happen to you?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know because there's nothing to compare it to.

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<v Speaker 2>It's never been that cold here again, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to see it again. I try not to go

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<v Speaker 2>outside now if it's below 30. So that was.

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<v Speaker 2>And my family was up when my brother got frostbitten,

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<v Speaker 2>and there were some people who overdid it with some exposure.

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<v Speaker 2>People were in the stands without shirts on. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know why they were doing that kind of crazy stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but there were some crazy fans around Cincinnati, some very

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<v Speaker 2>good fans. But it was fantastic playing and getting an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to go to the Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 5>Now let's swing the pendulum the other way. What is

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<v Speaker 5>the hottest or most... uncomfortable place you've ever played?

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<v Speaker 6>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure. You gave me two options, the hottest

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<v Speaker 2>or the most uncomfortable. The most uncomfortable for me always

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<v Speaker 2>was Denver in the altitude because The altitude affects people

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<v Speaker 2>differently and affected me differently. I think we went down

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<v Speaker 2>twice when I played. I always cramped up in the abdomen.

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<v Speaker 4>Really?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, always. And I came to the sideline and I

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<v Speaker 2>was sucking oxygen. I mean, coach is saying, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't come to the hole. I'm just with the oxygen.

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<v Speaker 2>As soon as I come off the field. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the whole game. I can remember I was on, they

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<v Speaker 2>had me on the punt return team in the corner

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<v Speaker 2>of the, you know, on the gunner's. And you've been

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<v Speaker 2>on the field for I don't know how long, running plays,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're ready to come off the field. At least

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<v Speaker 2>I was. And I'm cramping in the side.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm out here thinking, the guy just ran down

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<v Speaker 2>the field just by himself because there's just no way.

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<v Speaker 2>I had nothing left. I run to the sideline, and

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<v Speaker 2>I run directly a beeline to the oxygen. It is incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>And there were a lot of guys who had some

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<v Speaker 2>problems out there. The Denver Broncos have a decided advantage

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<v Speaker 2>um in that stadium i mean you have to go

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<v Speaker 2>out there a few days earlier to try and get

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<v Speaker 2>acclimated i think some i think the teams do that

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<v Speaker 2>now but when we played we went out there the

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<v Speaker 2>day before uh and we never beat denver in denver

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<v Speaker 2>either so and i think that's the reason why you.

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<v Speaker 3>Are listening to the bengals game plan show presented by

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<v Speaker 3>When we come back, there's a lot going on with

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<v Speaker 3>the Bengals secondary this week. Louis Breeden's a good guy

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about it with. So that's coming up next. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>We're here until 8 o'clock tonight. And our special guest,

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<v Speaker 3>all-time Bengals great cornerback, Louis Breeden, with us until 7

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<v Speaker 3>o'clock tonight. There's a lot going on with the Bengals secondary.

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<v Speaker 3>You are a good person to have on the show

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<v Speaker 3>this evening, Louis, because guys are, it seemed like the

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<v Speaker 3>Bengals were unbelievably healthy, and now suddenly they're not, so...

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<v Speaker 3>Brian Cook was limited at practice today. He's dealing with

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<v Speaker 3>an ankle injury. Jordan Battle was limited at practice today.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got a hamstring injury. Jalen Davis has gone on

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<v Speaker 3>injured reserve with a hamstring injury, so he's out. Here's

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<v Speaker 3>what's going to happen this week. Dax Hill is going

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<v Speaker 3>to move from outside corner to inside corner, and then

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<v Speaker 3>his spot will be taken by either DJ Ivy or

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<v Speaker 3>rookie Takario Bobo Davis. I'm sure they'll both play. My

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<v Speaker 3>guess is DJ Ivy, the more experienced guy, will start.

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<v Speaker 3>The hope is Brian Cook and Jordan Battle will be

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<v Speaker 3>okay by Sunday. I think they will be. But suddenly

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<v Speaker 3>this super healthy, man, isn't everything great situation, there are

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<v Speaker 3>some concerns mounting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because of the nature of the game, there's usually

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<v Speaker 2>a carousel during the course of the season. You just

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<v Speaker 2>don't want it to come too early during the season.

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<v Speaker 2>And if it is early, you don't want it to

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<v Speaker 2>be protracted where guys are out for a very long time,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when they got off to a very good start.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a very good football team. Defensively, they've improved. Offensively,

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to see them run the football a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit better, but this is the best start they've

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<v Speaker 2>had in a while, and if you can get off

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<v Speaker 2>to the start, you can win ballgames. So hopefully those

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<v Speaker 2>guys can come in and play well until everyone else

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<v Speaker 2>gets healthy.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to ask you specifically about Dax Hill. We're

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<v Speaker 3>going to hear from Dax here momentarily. last year he

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<v Speaker 3>moved from slot corner to outside corner and he played

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<v Speaker 3>his best football of his nfl career that's where he

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<v Speaker 3>would like to stay if it were up to him

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<v Speaker 3>it's a contract year for him outside guys get paid

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<v Speaker 3>more this is all understandable but for the good of

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<v Speaker 3>the team right now because of this injury situation he

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<v Speaker 3>is moving back inside here is dax hill talking about

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<v Speaker 3>the versatility that uh he has displayed at his willingness

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<v Speaker 3>to play inside because of the injuries in the secondary.

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<v Speaker 7>I feel like people know what I can do, and

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<v Speaker 7>I've shown that, and I just want to, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>continue to grow in that.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a.

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<v Speaker 7>Lot of things that I feel like I still need

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<v Speaker 7>to work on. If that's what's going to be for,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, for the rest of my career, I don't

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<v Speaker 7>know what the future holds. So, yeah, I feel like

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<v Speaker 7>it's just another opportunity for me to grow and, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>not just, you know, limit my mindset to where to

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<v Speaker 7>where i'm only playing one.

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<v Speaker 3>Position i did an interview with dj a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>weeks ago he said nobody in the league can do

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<v Speaker 3>what you do said nobody can play so many positions

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<v Speaker 3>at a high level do you agree what do you think.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh yeah i mean i believe so um you know

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<v Speaker 7>and you know that that holds the weight too you

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<v Speaker 7>know whenever teammates recognize that so i appreciate that from

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<v Speaker 7>you know from him but uh so yeah that's you

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<v Speaker 7>know that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is what it is so I'm just here to contribute,

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<v Speaker 2>do the best I can.

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<v Speaker 3>He also said you don't get enough respect for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not looking for respect at this point.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm just here doing my thing and being the best

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<v Speaker 7>teammates I can.

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<v Speaker 3>Lewis, you were a safety in college and a corner

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<v Speaker 3>in the NFL. How difficult is it to excel safety,

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<v Speaker 3>outside corner, slide corner at the NFL level?

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<v Speaker 6>Um....

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<v Speaker 2>Safety is a breeze as far as I'm concerned. I mean, safety,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be big enough and strong enough to

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<v Speaker 2>take the licks and take the pounding to make tackles.

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<v Speaker 2>But I play safety and the most challenging by far

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<v Speaker 2>is playing quarterback because of the responsibility of running with

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<v Speaker 2>the guy, trying to run with the guy one-on-one. I

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<v Speaker 2>had a chance to play with Dax Hill some golf

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<v Speaker 2>this year. I didn't realize how big he was. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a big, strong guy. And I was like, wow, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't realize you were that big. You're a lot bigger

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<v Speaker 2>than I was when I was when I was playing football.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing about that versatility is good because being

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<v Speaker 2>able to move back and forth. But I always thought

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<v Speaker 2>the slot corner was a lot tougher because the receiver

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<v Speaker 2>is off the ball, and plus he's more in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the field. And he has the option to go,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got room inside and he's got room outside. Once

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<v Speaker 2>upon a time when I was playing with the Bengals,

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<v Speaker 2>they started to move me to the slot.

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<v Speaker 6>Corner.

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<v Speaker 2>All the time. Remember what Dick LeBeau said, you're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to get a lot of interceptions here because it

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<v Speaker 2>makes it tougher. They just have more room to throw

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<v Speaker 2>the ball away from you. And that prevents you to

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<v Speaker 2>get the number of picks that some of the other

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<v Speaker 2>guys may have an opportunity to get. And plus, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of times the safeties are not there. They're split

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<v Speaker 2>wide and the guy can run down the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the field. All kinds of things can happen to you

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<v Speaker 2>in the slot corner. He's played that before and that's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the strengths of having someone who can do

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<v Speaker 2>things like that, just remove from one position to the other,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like a Dave Lappin was. He can

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<v Speaker 2>play center, he can play tackle, he can play guard,

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<v Speaker 2>albeit it's still the same position, offensive lineman, but the

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<v Speaker 2>techniques are just a little bit different. But I always

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<v Speaker 2>felt that the slot corner was the toughest position to

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<v Speaker 2>play in a lot of situations. You know, E.T.

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<v Speaker 5>Used to always say that You know, defensive backs get

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<v Speaker 5>better when the front line puts pressure on the quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, a lot better.

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<v Speaker 5>Talk about what you've seen in this defensive front that

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<v Speaker 5>you like. They have a great rotation, obviously anchored by

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<v Speaker 5>Dexter Lawrence, but your thoughts about this front line right now.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's the thing about how much football has

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<v Speaker 2>changed because in the old days, the defensive linemen stayed

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<v Speaker 2>on the field. Yeah. Unless you were hurt. Every now

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<v Speaker 2>and then you get a breather if you were somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>where guys get a little winded, but you didn't come

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<v Speaker 2>off the field. I mean, you just played every single down.

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<v Speaker 2>And to have the versatility, I mean, if you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to have that many guys, those guys are going to

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<v Speaker 2>have to be able to play. I mean, you just

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<v Speaker 2>can't put someone out there to replace someone, and that

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<v Speaker 2>production is just not there. So I think especially you've

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<v Speaker 2>got some of these guys. The guys are bigger now.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to get a little bit winded. So you

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<v Speaker 2>need to replace them. And Dexter Lawrence... I've watched him one-on-one,

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<v Speaker 2>and he is a load. No one guy can block him.

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<v Speaker 2>He just overpowers people in the middle. So it was

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<v Speaker 2>great that they did that because there was no one

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<v Speaker 2>that they could have drafted that could do what he's

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<v Speaker 2>doing in the middle. And obviously, I think defensively, they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be as good as their ability to rush

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<v Speaker 2>to pass, especially guys who are coming around the edge.

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<v Speaker 2>And they need that. When they lost Hendrickson, they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out who's going to play. But they have

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<v Speaker 2>a number of guys who are in the lineup. They

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<v Speaker 2>made some acquisitions on defense. And hopefully they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>come up with the big numbers. It's not always about numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about the number of pressures you get during the

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<v Speaker 2>course of the ballgame. If they can get consistent pressure,

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<v Speaker 2>especially up the middle, which makes quarterbacks hurry to get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of the football, then around the edge, the teams

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<v Speaker 2>who can do that, those are the ones who are

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<v Speaker 2>going to play well. And being a defensive back, if

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<v Speaker 2>they can get pressure immediately, you don't have to guard

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<v Speaker 2>anyone almost because guys can be open and the quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to. to hit an open receiver. So defensive

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<v Speaker 2>lineman or a defensive back's best friend.

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<v Speaker 3>The defense was awesome in the first two weeks. It

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<v Speaker 3>was the talk of the NFL, and then it took

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<v Speaker 3>a step back last week in the loss to Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 3>What stood out to you?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a step back as far as a loss,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's a divisional game. It's a rivalry. So anything

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<v Speaker 2>can happen. You know, as bad as Cleveland has been,

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<v Speaker 2>they go to Cleveland and they lose. It's a divisional game.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember when I played, when the Pittsburgh Steelers were

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<v Speaker 2>winning Super Bowls and the Bengals were not doing well,

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<v Speaker 2>Pittsburgh would come to Cincinnati and we would beat them.

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<v Speaker 2>We would be sky high for Pittsburgh. It's a divisional rivalry.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And for whatever reason, psychologically, you just get up for

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<v Speaker 2>that ballgame. And there just seems to be just a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more focus where you make plays where some

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<v Speaker 2>of the other ballgames, it was that one or two

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<v Speaker 2>plays that didn't go in your favor. So we won

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<v Speaker 2>those ballgames. But as long as they can stay focused,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a long season. You're not going to win them all.

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<v Speaker 2>No one does. So it's no big deal. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's Pittsburgh. You're losing Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's no big deal. No one should be really disappointed,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one should be throwing away their bingo gear

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<v Speaker 2>because bingo clothing because they lost a game in Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 2>That happens.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, uncharacteristically, they threw the ball seven out

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<v Speaker 5>of the first eight plays. I don't know Pittsburgh has

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<v Speaker 5>ever done that where they throw the ball four straight times.

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<v Speaker 5>Pittsburgh is always like, let's line up. We're going to

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<v Speaker 5>hand the ball to the running back, and you're throwing

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<v Speaker 5>it that many times. You know, it's just one of

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<v Speaker 5>those games where maybe it was unpredictable, but I've always said,

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<v Speaker 5>It's 17 one-game seasons, and that was season number three.

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<v Speaker 4>Season number four is Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah, yeah. Obviously, Pittsburgh saw something on film. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>everything is, you break the film down, and you plan

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<v Speaker 2>everything on the first, I don't know how many plays

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<v Speaker 2>they start off with, but it's something they thought they

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<v Speaker 2>could do that would have a lot of success for them,

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<v Speaker 2>and it worked. I really thought the Bengals would go

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<v Speaker 2>in and win the ballgame, but I'm not surprised, and

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<v Speaker 2>They played well enough to win. You know, I remember

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<v Speaker 2>Kansas City Chiefs last year. They were in every ballgame.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But they lost a lot of those ballgames. So those

0:22:15.170 --> 0:22:16.780
<v Speaker 2>ballgames are always going to be close. If you can

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<v Speaker 2>get those, it's always going to come down to a

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<v Speaker 2>few plays anyway. And hopefully this year it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>come down to those few plays that are in their favor.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you could make the case that last week's game

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<v Speaker 3>came down to two plays and they were special teams mistakes.

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<v Speaker 2>By the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to talk about that when we continue. Our

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<v Speaker 3>special guest until 7 o'clock, all-time great Bengals cornerback, Louis Breeden.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Dan Hoard. Wayne Boxmiller is my co-host. And we

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<v Speaker 3>We are broadcasting tonight from the Buffalo Wild Wings here

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<v Speaker 3>in Mason. I'm Dan Hort along with Wayne Box Miller.

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<v Speaker 3>Our special guest, Louis Breeden. Louis is here until 7

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<v Speaker 3>o'clock tonight. Box and I are here until 8 o'clock

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<v Speaker 3>tonight as we get you set for Sunday's home game tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Let's go back to last week's

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<v Speaker 3>game in Pittsburgh. The Bengals had a three-point lead in

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<v Speaker 3>the third quarter. They had not been able to force

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<v Speaker 3>Pittsburgh to punt all day. They finally did, and when

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<v Speaker 3>Pittsburgh punted it back to Cincinnati, the Bengals roughed the punter.

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<v Speaker 3>Then later in the game, they forced another punt, and

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<v Speaker 3>they muffed that punt. Steelers recovered and scored. So those

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<v Speaker 3>two mistakes on special teams led to 10 points. It

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<v Speaker 3>was a big reason why Pittsburgh was able to come

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<v Speaker 3>back and win that game. But that roughing the punter

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<v Speaker 3>penalty has a lot of Bengals fans talking because some

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<v Speaker 3>people are saying, why even go for the block? You've

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<v Speaker 3>got Joe Burrow. You're moving up and down the field.

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<v Speaker 3>Set up a return. Don't worry about trying to get

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<v Speaker 3>close to the punter. Get the ball. Make sure you're

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<v Speaker 3>getting the ball and go down the field and try

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<v Speaker 3>to add to your lead. Here is special teams coordinator

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<v Speaker 3>Darren Simmons on the subject of trying to block That

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<v Speaker 3>Pittsburgh putt.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, I don't know when a good moment is.

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<v Speaker 9>I guess I always say, when is a good moment

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<v Speaker 9>to rush a punt? We're ahead, we're behind. I mean,

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<v Speaker 9>when is the best opportunity? I think it was the

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<v Speaker 9>first punt of the game, first time they punted. It's

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<v Speaker 9>something that we felt, I felt very confident in, that

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<v Speaker 9>we could get a lot of pressure on them.

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<v Speaker 2>And we did.

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<v Speaker 9>Said this got too close to him. I think it's

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<v Speaker 9>got to be a feel for him that he's got

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<v Speaker 9>to make a decision, and it's a millisecond decision. If

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<v Speaker 9>I can get there, I've got to take the chance

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<v Speaker 9>and go get.

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<v Speaker 2>It, and I've got to block it. I've got to

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<v Speaker 2>get a hand on it.

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<v Speaker 9>But if I can't, then I've got to pull off.

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<v Speaker 9>That's a very, very tough call for somebody to make

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<v Speaker 9>in a millisecond. But in terms of the situation when,

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know when the right.

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<v Speaker 2>And when the wrong situation is.

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<v Speaker 9>It was the first opportunity we'd had in the game

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<v Speaker 9>to come after it, and I felt confident that we could.

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<v Speaker 2>Pressure him and get it.

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<v Speaker 9>He's extremely close.

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<v Speaker 2>His arm's right there. It wasn't close enough.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, so hindsight is always 20-20, and we love

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<v Speaker 3>playing the second-guess game. Anytime something like that happens, do

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<v Speaker 3>you have strong feelings on whether they should have gone

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<v Speaker 3>after the block or just set up a return?

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<v Speaker 2>Football is all about schemes and strategies. They break down film,

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<v Speaker 2>and they look at it from last year and the

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<v Speaker 2>year before, and they make some determinations in certain situations

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<v Speaker 2>as to what they think they can do. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to take shots. It's like taking shots downfield on on

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<v Speaker 2>third down, or first down, or fourth down. Everything is,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what I think I can do situationally. And

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<v Speaker 2>it comes with punt returns, and it comes with a

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<v Speaker 2>blocked punt that comes onside, which you don't see those anymore. But, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's nothing wrong. I mean, and you preach all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is football. Things are going to happen. This

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<v Speaker 2>is not the last time you're going to see a

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<v Speaker 2>muffed punt, the last time you're going to see someone

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<v Speaker 2>running to the kicker. Unfortunately, it happened in that situation

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<v Speaker 2>where This is a divisional opponent. It's a tough ballgame,

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<v Speaker 2>and every possession counts. And you lose a possession, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's what you need to possess the football because when

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<v Speaker 2>we have it, we can score. You can keep it

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<v Speaker 2>out of their hands. They can't score unless they do

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<v Speaker 2>something offensively or turn over or something like that. So

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<v Speaker 2>I have no quarrels with that call. I mean, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>I question some things, but not that one. It's something

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<v Speaker 2>that just didn't work out.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Darren Simmons is the best special teams coordinator

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<v Speaker 3>in the NFL. I think he's great at his job. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, obviously if it works, it's the greatest thing ever.

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<v Speaker 3>You're a genius. When it doesn't work and you wind

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<v Speaker 3>up losing the game, it's easy to second guess. I

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<v Speaker 3>am going to lean on the side of I trust

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<v Speaker 3>that guy. He saw something in studying the tape that

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<v Speaker 3>made him think they could get a piece of that punt.

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<v Speaker 3>It didn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>It happens. It happens all the time.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what George Jackson used to say. The best coach

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<v Speaker 5>of basketball is the assistant coach. If it works, he

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<v Speaker 5>would have called it. If it didn't work, he would

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.140
<v Speaker 5>have called the other play. And I'm like you, Dan.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, Darren Simmons has earned the respect of the

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<v Speaker 5>entire NFL. He saw something that means something. What I

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<v Speaker 5>would say, Lewis, after that, how do you, if you're

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<v Speaker 5>that person, is it just simply being more focused the

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<v Speaker 5>next game?

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<v Speaker 4>Or, you know, how do you rebound from that mentally?

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<v Speaker 6>Because.

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<v Speaker 5>I know defensive backs have to have short-term memory loss,

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<v Speaker 5>but I would think in that case they need the

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<v Speaker 5>same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when you're going for a punt block, it's all

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<v Speaker 2>about angles. And you have to predetermine in your mind

0:27:47.890 --> 0:27:49.570
<v Speaker 2>where you're going to go and stick to it. And

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<v Speaker 2>don't change that strategy. And the punters here, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to give them, I forget what they tell you, but

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<v Speaker 2>you have to give them enough space where you know

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to be in front of the blocker. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't do that, if you lose that moment

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<v Speaker 2>of focus, then you can get something like this to

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<v Speaker 2>happen because it can happen very easily. I mean, fortunately,

0:28:05.390 --> 0:28:08.020
<v Speaker 2>the kicker got up because that could have been devastating

0:28:08.060 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 2>because that's why that's a penalty. I mean, it looked awful,

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<v Speaker 2>but he did get up fortunately.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you play a lot of special teams?

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<v Speaker 4>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look up the Bengals special teams, you will

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<v Speaker 2>see Louis Braden on punt returns. minus, I think it

0:28:26.940 --> 0:28:32.889
<v Speaker 2>was about a minus six. I was the backup punt returner.

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<v Speaker 2>Back then, they didn't want their defense, the backup punt returner.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a good punt returner, but they didn't, if

0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 2>you were a starter, they didn't want your running back

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<v Speaker 2>because of the They didn't want you to increase the

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<v Speaker 2>possibility of getting hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>That's still mostly true.

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<v Speaker 2>Mostly true. So that game, it was in Denver, a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of fact, and I didn't catch punts doing warm-ups,

0:28:50.510 --> 0:28:54.190
<v Speaker 2>and that was the biggest thing because that day, the wind,

0:28:54.710 --> 0:28:57.000
<v Speaker 2>it was like this. It was all over the place.

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<v Speaker 2>But it wasn't until we get to, we're getting ready

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<v Speaker 2>to punt, the guy who was the punt returner, he

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't go. And they said, Lewis, you're going to catch

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 2>the punts. And I'm like, oh, okay, I was ready.

0:29:10.770 --> 0:29:14.470
<v Speaker 2>The first punt, it was like this. I let it fall.

0:29:14.910 --> 0:29:18.250
<v Speaker 2>The next punt, it was the same thing. I'm thinking about, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to take a chance, and you want the possession.

0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:24.660
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I remember some players, catch the ball, coaches

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<v Speaker 2>come on, hey, Lewis, you got to catch the ball. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to catch the ball. So the next one,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I muffed it, and then I jumped on it.

0:29:31.180 --> 0:29:34.450
<v Speaker 2>And then eventually I caught one. Most of them I

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<v Speaker 2>was letting hit the ground because it was just, it

0:29:37.090 --> 0:29:38.990
<v Speaker 2>was all over the place. Yeah, it was a knuckleball.

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:42.300
<v Speaker 2>The next one I caught, I tried to run around

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<v Speaker 2>the left side and I remember, and I lost six

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<v Speaker 2>or seven yards. You can look it up. It says

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<v Speaker 2>minus six or seven yards. And then at the end

0:29:49.980 --> 0:29:51.620
<v Speaker 2>of the game, Denver's just beating us pretty good. The

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:54.110
<v Speaker 2>game is over. They punt one last time, and it

0:29:54.150 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 2>was still doing like this, but I'm going to catch

0:29:55.820 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 2>this and make a big play. And I muff it.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was the end of my punt return career.

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<v Speaker 2>It was short and sweet. But it was a tough

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:09.170
<v Speaker 2>situation for me. I should have let every last one

0:30:09.210 --> 0:30:11.230
<v Speaker 2>of them drop, but if I had have done that,

0:30:11.250 --> 0:30:12.650
<v Speaker 2>I would have been yelled at the same way.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, speaking of punt returns, take people back to someone

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<v Speaker 5>who was prolific at that, Lamar Parrish.

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<v Speaker 4>What made him so good?

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<v Speaker 2>Lamar had the ability, the first thing is to catch it.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a certain amount of focus just to get

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<v Speaker 2>under the ball to catch it consistently. And Lamar Parrish

0:30:33.010 --> 0:30:34.890
<v Speaker 2>was as quick as any football player you ever want

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<v Speaker 2>to see. I mean, he was cat quickness, and he

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<v Speaker 2>had the kind of acceleration to run punt returns. And

0:30:39.820 --> 0:30:42.320
<v Speaker 2>he was fearless. I mean, and you have to be

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:44.820
<v Speaker 2>fearless because guys are coming at you and they're hitting you.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're looking around waiting for guys to hit you, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to muff and you're going to... But I

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<v Speaker 2>forget how many... returns he has a touchdown. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you watch Lamar on film and watch him run punch,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he was absolutely incredible. He was just super

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<v Speaker 2>quick and a very fast guy and a great cover

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:07.220
<v Speaker 2>corner as well. He should be in the Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think so.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, we're going to take a timeout. When we

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<v Speaker 3>come back, did the Steelers cheat last week against Cincinnati?

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0:32:11.990 --> 0:32:16.720
<v Speaker 3>great Louis Breeden. So last week, the Pittsburgh Steelers beat

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 3>the Bengals by three, and they did something in the

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 3>game I have never seen before. They did it to

0:32:22.260 --> 0:32:25.290
<v Speaker 3>Dexter Lawrence, they did it to Jonathan Allen, and they

0:32:25.330 --> 0:32:29.250
<v Speaker 3>did it to T.J. Slate. They would double-team the Bengals'

0:32:29.290 --> 0:32:32.690
<v Speaker 3>defensive linemen. The first guy would block them straight on,

0:32:33.250 --> 0:32:37.190
<v Speaker 3>and the second guy would reach around from behind, get

0:32:37.290 --> 0:32:41.310
<v Speaker 3>his arm under the lineman's leg, and lift it off

0:32:41.370 --> 0:32:47.310
<v Speaker 3>the ground, so now the defensive player is on one leg. Dexter, remarkably,

0:32:47.410 --> 0:32:50.250
<v Speaker 3>managed to stay upright. The other two guys were taken

0:32:50.290 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 3>to the ground, but this is clearly illegal. You can't

0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 3>do that. But Pittsburgh got away with it on multiple

0:32:57.160 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 3>occasions last week. I suspect they will not be able

0:33:00.220 --> 0:33:03.540
<v Speaker 3>to this week and beyond. In any case, I asked

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:09.310
<v Speaker 3>Dexter Lawrence about it earlier today. Dexter, I've never seen...

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<v Speaker 3>Anybody try to lift the leg like the Steelers were

0:33:12.290 --> 0:33:13.990
<v Speaker 3>doing to you? Have teams tried to do that to

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<v Speaker 3>you before?

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<v Speaker 10>No, that was a new one.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a new one.

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<v Speaker 10>I guess you got to try anything at some point.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's clearly illegal. Is the team going to

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<v Speaker 3>bring it up with the refs and try to make

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<v Speaker 3>sure that doesn't happen?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm sure that's their job to bring it up. I

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<v Speaker 10>just continue to play.

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<v Speaker 3>What did you say in the moment?

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<v Speaker 2>I asked the ref, did he.

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<v Speaker 10>See what was going on? And he acted like he

0:33:38.330 --> 0:33:40.630
<v Speaker 10>didn't see anything, so. Because I keep going.

0:33:41.010 --> 0:33:45.290
<v Speaker 3>How do players feel about, like, pushing the limit until

0:33:45.590 --> 0:33:46.170
<v Speaker 3>you get caught?

0:33:47.110 --> 0:33:47.690
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't know.

0:33:47.710 --> 0:33:49.910
<v Speaker 10>I don't know. I try to play football the right way.

0:33:50.290 --> 0:33:51.170
<v Speaker 10>So I don't know.

0:33:51.190 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 3>All right. So, Lewis, let me follow up with the

0:33:55.340 --> 0:33:58.420
<v Speaker 3>last question that I asked Dexter there. How do players

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:02.980
<v Speaker 3>feel about doing something that might be illegal until they

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 3>call it? If, you know, anything is legal. It's fair

0:34:07.220 --> 0:34:08.650
<v Speaker 3>game as long as you get away with it.

0:34:08.700 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 2>Guys are always pushing the limits, and you're always trying

0:34:10.820 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 2>to get an advantage all the time. Whether it's to

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:16.390
<v Speaker 2>find a more creative way of the defensive back to hold,

0:34:16.870 --> 0:34:20.250
<v Speaker 2>where your offensive linemen trying to find a more creative

0:34:20.750 --> 0:34:23.490
<v Speaker 2>way to hold. I mean, they hold on every play.

0:34:23.850 --> 0:34:27.000
<v Speaker 2>This is why I just laugh at people complaining about

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:30.140
<v Speaker 2>the offensive linemen holding. They didn't call it. I say, gosh, man,

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:32.489
<v Speaker 2>they hold on every play. But the officials are looking

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:35.020
<v Speaker 2>to see. They know they're holding. But if a guy

0:34:35.060 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 2>gets away, you just got to let him go. Football

0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:41.520
<v Speaker 2>is tough inside, man. It is absolutely brutal. And how

0:34:41.540 --> 0:34:44.420
<v Speaker 2>do you pick up Dexter Lawrence's leg? I would never know.

0:34:45.380 --> 0:34:46.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, his leg is 300 pounds.

0:34:47.260 --> 0:34:50.220
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't pick it up. The guy doing the lifting

0:34:50.260 --> 0:34:53.100
<v Speaker 3>was about 330. The three of.

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Us together could not pick up Dexter Lawrence's leg. You're

0:34:55.460 --> 0:34:57.259
<v Speaker 2>probably right. I saw him. I didn't get a chance

0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.690
<v Speaker 2>to meet him, but at the... I think it was

0:34:59.730 --> 0:35:03.549
<v Speaker 2>at the draft. They had their draft day, and I

0:35:03.590 --> 0:35:06.110
<v Speaker 2>was there. Dexter Lawrence was on stage. I didn't get

0:35:06.130 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 2>a chance to meet him, but that's a huge man.

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:12.339
<v Speaker 2>He's a very huge guy. He's an athletic guy, and

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:17.940
<v Speaker 2>they're fortunate to have him because he does. Their defense

0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:20.239
<v Speaker 2>is different because of him, no doubt.

0:35:20.780 --> 0:35:23.700
<v Speaker 5>Speaking of defense, what's a hole anymore?

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:26.940
<v Speaker 4>I look at the T. Higgins touchdown. The guy's wrapped

0:35:27.020 --> 0:35:27.980
<v Speaker 4>all around T. Higgins.

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:30.420
<v Speaker 5>The judge is right there looking at it. I think

0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:34.259
<v Speaker 5>about the player from the Baltimore Ravens. I can't think

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:35.419
<v Speaker 5>of the defensive act. Number two.

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Nate Wiggins.

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:39.950
<v Speaker 5>Wiggins is being grabbed by the wide receiver, and they're

0:35:39.989 --> 0:35:40.950
<v Speaker 5>throwing a flag on him.

0:35:40.989 --> 0:35:43.770
<v Speaker 4>But with the T. Higgins, was that pass interference, or

0:35:43.790 --> 0:35:44.489
<v Speaker 4>did I miss something?

0:35:44.770 --> 0:35:49.350
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure, because once the receiver was falling, and

0:35:49.510 --> 0:35:52.739
<v Speaker 2>once they make that decision, I mean, they'll let you

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:54.339
<v Speaker 2>get away with all kinds of stuff. I mean, just...

0:35:54.700 --> 0:35:56.319
<v Speaker 2>You just can't be a big hole because they hold

0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:58.109
<v Speaker 2>all the time. And wide receivers are pushing all the time.

0:35:58.830 --> 0:36:01.549
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I'm just not sure how they make any call

0:36:01.570 --> 0:36:04.150
<v Speaker 2>at all. But I would think that if you're a

0:36:04.170 --> 0:36:06.910
<v Speaker 2>receiver and you're falling and basically you're falling into the

0:36:06.950 --> 0:36:09.790
<v Speaker 2>defensive guy, which it kind of looks like, the only

0:36:09.830 --> 0:36:11.660
<v Speaker 2>thing the defensive guy can do is kind of use

0:36:11.700 --> 0:36:13.399
<v Speaker 2>his hand. There's going to be a lot more shoving then.

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:16.919
<v Speaker 2>So that was a great play by T. Higgins. I mean,

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:20.960
<v Speaker 2>just to keep his concentration and the focus with the

0:36:20.980 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 2>guy all over him to make a catch. He has...

0:36:25.450 --> 0:36:27.950
<v Speaker 2>he and Chase Jamar just have great hands. They catch

0:36:27.969 --> 0:36:30.009
<v Speaker 2>the ball with their hands all the time. You see

0:36:30.030 --> 0:36:31.810
<v Speaker 2>a lot of other receivers catching the balls with their body.

0:36:31.830 --> 0:36:34.410
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can get away with it until you can.

0:36:34.469 --> 0:36:36.500
<v Speaker 2>The best way to catch the football is T. Higgins

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:39.359
<v Speaker 2>just put it out here. Just straight arm and catch

0:36:39.380 --> 0:36:43.140
<v Speaker 2>the ball. It's just incredible the way, how athletic they

0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:45.819
<v Speaker 2>are and their ability to bring the football down.

0:36:46.410 --> 0:36:48.090
<v Speaker 3>I wish I had thought of it in the moment,

0:36:48.130 --> 0:36:50.730
<v Speaker 3>but I've got the nickname for that T. Higgins touchdown

0:36:50.790 --> 0:36:55.230
<v Speaker 3>catch last week. It was the butts down. Because he

0:36:55.290 --> 0:36:58.280
<v Speaker 3>landed on his derriere and somehow the ball winds up

0:36:58.340 --> 0:36:58.890
<v Speaker 3>in his lap.

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:02.899
<v Speaker 2>Whatever works, man. He got the job done, man.

0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 3>Let me ask you about DJ Turner. This guy is

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:09.950
<v Speaker 3>playing at a very high level at the position that

0:37:09.989 --> 0:37:12.490
<v Speaker 3>you excelled at. What do you think about his growth?

0:37:13.300 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 2>It's a good player. He's a very good player. I

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:25.450
<v Speaker 2>think you get comfortable playing the position over time. It

0:37:25.590 --> 0:37:29.690
<v Speaker 2>always helps to have good players around you because it

0:37:29.730 --> 0:37:33.529
<v Speaker 2>makes you look better. If you don't have a good

0:37:33.570 --> 0:37:35.859
<v Speaker 2>pass rush, if you can't get to the pass reach,

0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:40.100
<v Speaker 2>doesn't really matter who you are. The quarterback has all

0:37:40.140 --> 0:37:42.340
<v Speaker 2>time back there. He's going to find the receiver. Receivers

0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:44.839
<v Speaker 2>run all over the place. You just can't stick on him.

0:37:44.890 --> 0:37:49.270
<v Speaker 2>So he's a young player. He's gotten better. And I

0:37:49.670 --> 0:37:53.270
<v Speaker 2>think now he's one of the better players in the league.

0:37:53.290 --> 0:37:56.770
<v Speaker 2>So hopefully that growth will continue. And hopefully we'll see

0:37:56.790 --> 0:37:59.710
<v Speaker 2>some guys back there in the secondary who will make

0:37:59.790 --> 0:38:02.490
<v Speaker 2>all pro and make pro bowl players because they're deserving

0:38:02.510 --> 0:38:06.380
<v Speaker 2>because their defense has played well. And The one thing

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:08.360
<v Speaker 2>I do say about Cincinnati here, they don't get the

0:38:08.460 --> 0:38:12.870
<v Speaker 2>credit that they deserve having guys making all pro and

0:38:13.250 --> 0:38:15.930
<v Speaker 2>pro bowl teams. It seems like it's always been that way,

0:38:15.969 --> 0:38:18.870
<v Speaker 2>but hopefully that recognition will start to come.

0:38:19.710 --> 0:38:22.109
<v Speaker 5>How did you gain your confidence to a point where

0:38:22.150 --> 0:38:25.320
<v Speaker 5>you feel confident no matter who you lined up against?

0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:27.239
<v Speaker 5>I mean, you have people talk about growth spurts, but

0:38:27.260 --> 0:38:29.540
<v Speaker 5>I think it's confidence spurts where you get to a

0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:31.219
<v Speaker 5>place and go, you know what, I know how to

0:38:31.420 --> 0:38:32.060
<v Speaker 5>play this game.

0:38:32.660 --> 0:38:33.920
<v Speaker 4>I can play against that guy.

0:38:35.590 --> 0:38:38.550
<v Speaker 2>I had the privilege to play against who I felt

0:38:38.770 --> 0:38:40.870
<v Speaker 2>at that time was the best wide receiver in the league.

0:38:40.890 --> 0:38:45.410
<v Speaker 2>That was Isaac Curtis. And I remember Kenny Riley and

0:38:45.450 --> 0:38:47.950
<v Speaker 2>Lamar Parrish at the time, what they told me when

0:38:47.989 --> 0:38:50.770
<v Speaker 2>I came into the league. All they talked about is

0:38:50.870 --> 0:38:53.569
<v Speaker 2>Isaac Curtis running routes. All they talked about was Isaac Curtis.

0:38:53.610 --> 0:38:57.430
<v Speaker 2>That damn Isaac Curtis. And some other things that they

0:38:57.469 --> 0:39:00.950
<v Speaker 2>said about him, too. But it was all terms of endearment,

0:39:00.989 --> 0:39:03.660
<v Speaker 2>you know? And they said, if you can cover Isaac Curtis,

0:39:03.700 --> 0:39:06.549
<v Speaker 2>you can cover anyone in the league. And I can

0:39:06.570 --> 0:39:09.370
<v Speaker 2>remember my second year here, I was hurt my first year.

0:39:09.570 --> 0:39:12.049
<v Speaker 2>My second year, I was having a great camp and

0:39:12.090 --> 0:39:14.670
<v Speaker 2>everyone was talking about me challenging Ken Rowley because I

0:39:14.710 --> 0:39:17.450
<v Speaker 2>was battling Ken Rowley on the right side. Now, I

0:39:17.489 --> 0:39:19.029
<v Speaker 2>wasn't going to beat out Ken Rowley. Ken Rowley is

0:39:19.070 --> 0:39:21.149
<v Speaker 2>a fixture over there at the right-hand corner. The other

0:39:21.170 --> 0:39:24.150
<v Speaker 2>guy was Mel Morgan who Lamar Parrish had gone and

0:39:24.190 --> 0:39:27.670
<v Speaker 2>Mel Morgan was the heir apparent. And one day at practice,

0:39:28.670 --> 0:39:30.569
<v Speaker 2>we ran a route and on the way back to

0:39:30.590 --> 0:39:33.740
<v Speaker 2>the huddle and I ran I was covering Isaac Curtis

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:35.380
<v Speaker 2>on the way back to the huddle he looked at

0:39:35.420 --> 0:39:38.060
<v Speaker 2>a defensive backfield coach he says you have your best

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 2>two corners playing uh uh uh competed against each other

0:39:42.580 --> 0:39:44.820
<v Speaker 2>on the same side that very next practice whether it

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:47.450
<v Speaker 2>was the morning or that afternoon the next day They

0:39:47.469 --> 0:39:48.950
<v Speaker 2>move me to the left side, and I end up

0:39:48.969 --> 0:39:50.410
<v Speaker 2>beating Mel Morgan out for the position.

0:39:50.550 --> 0:39:50.750
<v Speaker 8>Yes.

0:39:51.210 --> 0:39:54.129
<v Speaker 2>And that comes just with confidence. Playing with guys like

0:39:54.410 --> 0:39:57.219
<v Speaker 2>Isaac Curtis and, like I said before, you can cover

0:39:57.300 --> 0:40:00.580
<v Speaker 2>Isaac Curtis, you gain confidence. And that's every day in

0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 2>practice because he was just one of the best. And

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:05.480
<v Speaker 2>especially if you can get used to that speed because

0:40:05.540 --> 0:40:08.359
<v Speaker 2>speed is different in the National Football League. And for me,

0:40:08.420 --> 0:40:10.820
<v Speaker 2>not ever having played in a corner before, before I

0:40:10.860 --> 0:40:13.989
<v Speaker 2>came here– It was good for me to play against

0:40:14.030 --> 0:40:15.810
<v Speaker 2>Elijah Curtis, and it was good for me to play

0:40:16.030 --> 0:40:20.160
<v Speaker 2>along with a guy like Ken Riley because he was

0:40:20.219 --> 0:40:23.040
<v Speaker 2>my godfather at the time. He's the one who looked

0:40:23.100 --> 0:40:25.859
<v Speaker 2>over me, and he taught me, and the one thing

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:27.540
<v Speaker 2>he would always say about me, he says, Lewis, man,

0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:30.860
<v Speaker 2>that's great, man. He says, you have a short memory.

0:40:31.140 --> 0:40:35.390
<v Speaker 2>You forget that play that happened before because you can't

0:40:35.430 --> 0:40:37.690
<v Speaker 2>be upset about a guy catching a touchdown because you're

0:40:37.710 --> 0:40:39.569
<v Speaker 2>going to go back right out there, and you can't

0:40:39.610 --> 0:40:40.230
<v Speaker 2>be afraid of it.

0:40:41.100 --> 0:40:43.379
<v Speaker 3>Isaac Curtis and Ken Riley are in the Bengals' Ring

0:40:43.420 --> 0:40:46.279
<v Speaker 3>of Honor, and in one month, two new players will

0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:49.670
<v Speaker 3>join the Bengals' Ring of Honor, and Louis Breeden is

0:40:50.050 --> 0:40:51.969
<v Speaker 3>able to talk about both of them. We'll do that

0:40:52.030 --> 0:40:54.570
<v Speaker 3>when we come back. This is the Bengals' Game Plan Show,

0:40:54.950 --> 0:40:58.469
<v Speaker 3>presented by Bud Light. Easy to drink, easy to enjoy

0:40:58.550 --> 0:41:03.580
<v Speaker 3>from Buffalo Wild Wings in Mason here on ESPN 1530.

0:41:05.150 --> 0:41:07.750
<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to the Bengals Game Plan Show presented by

0:41:07.850 --> 0:41:11.509
<v Speaker 3>Bud Light. Easy to drink, easy to enjoy. Broadcasting live

0:41:11.550 --> 0:41:14.840
<v Speaker 3>tonight from Buffalo Wild Wings here in Mason. I'm Dan Horton,

0:41:14.860 --> 0:41:18.140
<v Speaker 3>my tag team partner. Wayne Boxmiller, our special guest for

0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 3>a few more minutes. All-time Bengals great, Louis Breeden. So

0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 3>one month from today, a new class will go into

0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:27.320
<v Speaker 3>the Bengals Ring of Honor. And you know both of

0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:30.950
<v Speaker 3>these guys. Your rookie year was 77. Sorry to mention

0:41:30.969 --> 0:41:31.250
<v Speaker 3>the year.

0:41:31.270 --> 0:41:31.650
<v Speaker 5>No.

0:41:33.130 --> 0:41:34.669
<v Speaker 2>They're still trying to do the math.

0:41:35.650 --> 0:41:37.630
<v Speaker 3>You didn't play a rookie year due to injury, but

0:41:37.670 --> 0:41:39.469
<v Speaker 3>Bob Trump, he was still on the team then, if

0:41:39.510 --> 0:41:41.730
<v Speaker 3>I'm not mistaken. And then, of course, James Brooks was

0:41:41.770 --> 0:41:45.450
<v Speaker 3>your teammate for several years. Share your thoughts on those

0:41:45.489 --> 0:41:47.290
<v Speaker 3>two guys going into the Ring of Honor this year.

0:41:47.330 --> 0:41:49.469
<v Speaker 2>Bob Trump, I remember mostly, he would always go out.

0:41:49.570 --> 0:41:52.569
<v Speaker 2>Bob was a smoker. He would always go outside to

0:41:52.910 --> 0:41:56.780
<v Speaker 2>have a nice smoke of a cigarette. Every break he got, man,

0:41:56.820 --> 0:42:00.410
<v Speaker 2>he'd just sit out there and just. Smoking a cigarette, man.

0:42:00.710 --> 0:42:02.239
<v Speaker 2>At least I thought it was a cigarette anyway, but

0:42:02.300 --> 0:42:06.440
<v Speaker 2>it was a cigarette. But Bob was a phenomenal player.

0:42:07.260 --> 0:42:11.080
<v Speaker 2>He played in an era unlike today where if you

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:14.400
<v Speaker 2>caught 30 balls, you've had a great football season. And

0:42:14.420 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 2>I think he made, what, four Pro Bowls, I think?

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:17.420
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

0:42:17.820 --> 0:42:23.839
<v Speaker 2>And he was that new type of dynamic tight end

0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:28.140
<v Speaker 2>who had the ability to get downfield and catch footballs.

0:42:28.219 --> 0:42:31.820
<v Speaker 2>And And obviously the voice of Trumpy here in Cincinnati

0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:35.700
<v Speaker 2>for a very long time. People enjoyed hearing his voice

0:42:35.780 --> 0:42:37.940
<v Speaker 2>every chance they got to listen to him. And he

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:41.239
<v Speaker 2>was just a great guy. I just love talking. I mean,

0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:43.700
<v Speaker 2>he just had the voice, as they say, the voice

0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:46.400
<v Speaker 2>for radio. No doubt. And so do you, Dan.

0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:49.340
<v Speaker 3>Well, very few had a voice like that.

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:53.730
<v Speaker 2>No, very few. He did have the voice for it.

0:42:53.820 --> 0:42:55.640
<v Speaker 2>So it was only a short time that I got

0:42:55.660 --> 0:42:59.480
<v Speaker 2>a chance to play with him. And James Brooks... Um,

0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:02.120
<v Speaker 2>when James Brooks, when I was playing golf that day,

0:43:02.180 --> 0:43:04.940
<v Speaker 2>when it was announced that he was going in and

0:43:04.980 --> 0:43:08.319
<v Speaker 2>I text him right away from the golf course, congratulations.

0:43:08.550 --> 0:43:11.450
<v Speaker 2>You know, he called me back immediately. I was on

0:43:11.469 --> 0:43:14.049
<v Speaker 2>the golf course. I said, Oh man, thanks for calling me.

0:43:14.489 --> 0:43:16.150
<v Speaker 2>And he talked about it for a little bit. Then

0:43:16.170 --> 0:43:19.069
<v Speaker 2>I told him, I say, man, it's a, it's well-deserving.

0:43:19.090 --> 0:43:20.350
<v Speaker 2>You were going to get there just a matter of

0:43:20.390 --> 0:43:21.910
<v Speaker 2>a time. That might have a matter of a time when.

0:43:22.420 --> 0:43:25.380
<v Speaker 2>And I saw him at the event. What was that,

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:28.919
<v Speaker 2>the event field tonight? Taste of the NFL. The Taste

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:31.460
<v Speaker 2>of the Bengals, yes. And we had a chance to talk.

0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:34.680
<v Speaker 2>I always tell the story because I introduced some people

0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:37.080
<v Speaker 2>who knew James Brooks, but they didn't know him. I said,

0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:40.540
<v Speaker 2>this guy here, pound for pound, talking about James Brooks,

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 2>was the toughest running back that I've ever seen. And

0:43:43.140 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 2>I really mean that. James Brooks was 170-something pounds, and

0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:50.610
<v Speaker 2>he ran like he was 240. And he had the quickness.

0:43:50.630 --> 0:43:53.490
<v Speaker 2>He could catch fast. He was determined. And James Brooks

0:43:54.290 --> 0:43:57.330
<v Speaker 2>is the only guy that I know, when the season

0:43:57.390 --> 0:44:00.550
<v Speaker 2>was over, he was back down at Spinney Field working

0:44:00.650 --> 0:44:07.940
<v Speaker 2>out the next day, which I would never do. Two days.

0:44:07.980 --> 0:44:10.700
<v Speaker 2>That's not why I'm in the Ring of Honor, I guess.

0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:14.259
<v Speaker 2>But James Brooks was just a tough one. He loved

0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:18.380
<v Speaker 2>the game. He played hard, and he played hard every game.

0:44:18.890 --> 0:44:22.520
<v Speaker 2>single play. And when we played against him, I can

0:44:22.540 --> 0:44:25.550
<v Speaker 2>remember one play, he caught a ball, he ran it,

0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:32.280
<v Speaker 2>and he was bouncing off guys just like bowling pins.

0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:35.060
<v Speaker 2>He just got hit and bounced, bounced, bounced. The whistle

0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:36.900
<v Speaker 2>blew because they had him, but he never went down,

0:44:37.340 --> 0:44:38.980
<v Speaker 2>and he still had the football in his hand and

0:44:39.020 --> 0:44:42.180
<v Speaker 2>he threw it down. He was just a very tough

0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:44.759
<v Speaker 2>physical football player for a guy who's not very big

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:47.570
<v Speaker 2>in stature. He had everything you want in a football player.

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<v Speaker 3>Lewis, this has been a treat. We really appreciate you

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<v Speaker 3>coming out and spending an hour with us tonight. You

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<v Speaker 3>look fantastic. You sound great. Thanks for classing up our

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<v Speaker 3>show this evening.

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<v Speaker 2>And my usual fee is $ 100, 000 an hour. Check's in

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<v Speaker 2>the mail, my man. And I know it's usual. The

0:45:05.310 --> 0:45:07.450
<v Speaker 2>check is in the mail. I never see it. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for the invite, guys. I had a good time.

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<v Speaker 4>I left it at the clubhouse. All right.

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<v Speaker 3>We need to take a time out. We've still got

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<v Speaker 3>The first injury report of the week. It comes out

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<v Speaker 3>every Wednesday. Here's how it looks for Cincinnati. We did

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<v Speaker 3>mention earlier Jordan Battle was limited with a hamstring injury.

0:46:53.370 --> 0:46:57.359
<v Speaker 3>Brian Cook limited with an ankle injury. Kyle Duggar out

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<v Speaker 3>with a quad injury. Those are three safeties, so three

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<v Speaker 3>guys at the same position affected.

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<v Speaker 2>B.J.

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<v Speaker 3>Hill did not practice today, still dealing with an Achilles

0:47:07.520 --> 0:47:11.180
<v Speaker 3>strain of some sort. Dalton Reisner did not practice today

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<v Speaker 3>due to a knee injury. He was in good spirits today.

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<v Speaker 3>Hopefully that means he'll be good to go in time

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<v Speaker 3>for the game on Sunday. Colby Young did not practice.

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<v Speaker 3>He suffered a knee injury on his first catch last

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<v Speaker 3>Sunday in Pittsburgh. I think it's going to be a

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<v Speaker 3>few weeks for Colby Young. So that's how things look today. Additionally,

0:47:28.969 --> 0:47:33.049
<v Speaker 3>Jalen Davis went on injured reserve this week. So he's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be out for at least four games. Keyshawn

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<v Speaker 3>Williams was waived, then re-signed to the practice squad today.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's still on the team, but he's not on

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<v Speaker 3>the active 53-man roster. Basically, when Colby Young got hurt,

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<v Speaker 3>they needed somebody who was more of a wide receiver

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<v Speaker 3>than a return man. Keyshawn known more as a return

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<v Speaker 3>man than a pure receiver. So fortunately, Mitchell Tinsley, who

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<v Speaker 3>was so good last year for Cincinnati, was on the

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<v Speaker 3>practice squad for Houston.

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<v Speaker 2>If you.

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<v Speaker 3>take a player off somebody else's practice squad and put

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<v Speaker 3>him on your 53-man roster, you can do that. So

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<v Speaker 3>Mitchell Tinsley is back.

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<v Speaker 5>I saw a smile on his face as big as

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<v Speaker 5>a smile on my face. I was so happy to

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<v Speaker 5>see that young man back, and I thought he played

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<v Speaker 5>so well last year. You know, everybody said at this

0:48:23.890 --> 0:48:27.770
<v Speaker 5>wide receiver room this year, probably the most competitive in

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<v Speaker 5>the NFL. I mean, so many different players doing so

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<v Speaker 5>many different things. You know, with Yossi Vash going out

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<v Speaker 5>and then Colby.

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<v Speaker 4>You have these guys ready to go, and I hope.

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<v Speaker 5>That he gets an opportunity to play because you just

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<v Speaker 5>won't forget the Washington Reds-Commanders game.

0:48:42.980 --> 0:48:45.480
<v Speaker 4>I was going to say Redskins. The Commanders game where.

0:48:45.380 --> 0:48:47.620
<v Speaker 5>Joe Burrow had the confidence to throw him the ball,

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<v Speaker 5>and he just makes unbelievable catches. I'm just excited for

0:48:52.730 --> 0:48:55.710
<v Speaker 5>the wide receiver room because the spirit of competition makes

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<v Speaker 5>everybody better.

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<v Speaker 3>Mitch Tinsley was gone for three weeks, so nothing's changed

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<v Speaker 3>in the playbook. He was back at practice, good to go,

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<v Speaker 3>like he never left earlier today. And we will hear

0:49:05.460 --> 0:49:07.680
<v Speaker 3>from Mitch a little bit later in the show. I

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<v Speaker 3>want to go back and kind of put a bow

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<v Speaker 3>on last week's loss to Pittsburgh. To me, had the

0:49:13.430 --> 0:49:16.790
<v Speaker 3>Bengals pulled that game out, so they don't muff a punt,

0:49:16.830 --> 0:49:19.230
<v Speaker 3>they go down the field, they score again, go up

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<v Speaker 3>by two scores. or even at the end of the game,

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<v Speaker 3>if they win the game, the story of the game

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<v Speaker 3>to me would have been how good their pass protection was.

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<v Speaker 3>Two weeks ago against Houston, it was a little shaky.

0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:33.720
<v Speaker 3>Joe got sacked five times and got hit ten times.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of people were really nervous. How's this going

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<v Speaker 3>to look against the Steelers with T.J. Watt, Alex Highsmith,

0:49:40.030 --> 0:49:44.670
<v Speaker 3>Cam Hayward, etc. Joe Burrow was not hit. Well, I

0:49:44.690 --> 0:49:47.890
<v Speaker 3>take that back. He was not sacked until the Bengals'

0:49:48.260 --> 0:49:52.680
<v Speaker 3>final offensive play. Unfortunately, he was sacked. He fumbled the ball.

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<v Speaker 3>Pittsburgh recovered. That clinched the win for the Steelers. But

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<v Speaker 3>if the Bengals win that game, I think everybody is saying, wow,

0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:04.120
<v Speaker 3>the pass protection against that great Steelers defense was fantastic.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's hear from Zach Taylor. on the pass pro and

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<v Speaker 3>the offensive line in general last week.

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<v Speaker 11>Our guys protected unbelievably the entire game, you know, so

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<v Speaker 11>I don't pin that on those guys. It was just unfortunate,

0:50:17.010 --> 0:50:18.840
<v Speaker 11>you know, it happened that way, but I thought the

0:50:18.860 --> 0:50:21.330
<v Speaker 11>guys up front gave us everything we wanted the entirety

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<v Speaker 11>of the game, really proud of how they played, and

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<v Speaker 11>sometimes when you face a good defensive line, that's what's

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<v Speaker 11>going to happen. You know, they got good starters, they

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<v Speaker 11>have great depth, and they got us in one play there,

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<v Speaker 11>and unfortunately it turned out bad for us.

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<v Speaker 3>T.J.

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<v Speaker 5>Watt.

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<v Speaker 3>Did not have a pressure in the game on 29

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<v Speaker 3>pass rushing opportunities. It's the sixth time in his NFL career,

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<v Speaker 3>according to our colleague Jay Morrison, who's great with finding

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<v Speaker 3>interesting stats, just the sixth time in his entire career

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<v Speaker 3>he went through a game without a single pressure.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I talked to Mims today, and he had this

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<v Speaker 5>smile on his face because I said to Marius, I said, T.J.

0:50:58.030 --> 0:51:01.210
<v Speaker 5>Watt doesn't like to see you. And one play I

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<v Speaker 5>said to Marius that really made him laugh was the

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<v Speaker 5>spin move.

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<v Speaker 4>So T.J.

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<v Speaker 5>Watt tried to set him up, did the spin to

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<v Speaker 5>get by Mims, and I said, Mims, it looked like

0:51:11.719 --> 0:51:15.920
<v Speaker 5>you said, come to Papa. Because he spun, and because

0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:19.580
<v Speaker 5>Amarius has such good footwork, he was positioned, as soon

0:51:19.620 --> 0:51:21.620
<v Speaker 5>as he came out of the spin, he's still right

0:51:21.660 --> 0:51:25.020
<v Speaker 5>in front of him. And I thought he was frustrated, Sundy,

0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:27.400
<v Speaker 5>because he could not get in. He couldn't get.

0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:29.799
<v Speaker 4>Anywhere around him, through him, by him.

0:51:29.820 --> 0:51:32.980
<v Speaker 5>He started going inside, and Lap and I were talking

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<v Speaker 5>about it today, and I said, I'm sure he went

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<v Speaker 5>back to the coordinator and said, let's run some stunts

0:51:36.570 --> 0:51:39.649
<v Speaker 5>so I can get on somebody else. But Amarius Mims

0:51:39.670 --> 0:51:43.490
<v Speaker 5>in this offensive line, he's playing at an all-pro level already.

0:51:43.670 --> 0:51:43.970
<v Speaker 4>Correct.

0:51:44.190 --> 0:51:46.430
<v Speaker 5>If you can say somebody else's after three games, you

0:51:46.469 --> 0:51:49.390
<v Speaker 5>can say it about him. But as a line, Dan,

0:51:49.650 --> 0:51:51.879
<v Speaker 5>I really like how they took it upon themselves after

0:51:51.890 --> 0:51:54.810
<v Speaker 5>the Houston game to say, we'll address it, we'll correct it.

0:51:55.260 --> 0:51:58.060
<v Speaker 5>It is sad that that happened, but I heard Dalton

0:51:58.120 --> 0:52:01.600
<v Speaker 5>Reisner talk about another reason why we all love Joe Burrell.

0:52:02.230 --> 0:52:04.109
<v Speaker 5>He said, Joe Burrow wasn't mad at me. He comes

0:52:04.150 --> 0:52:05.149
<v Speaker 5>to the game after the game.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you good?

0:52:05.870 --> 0:52:06.089
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:52:06.230 --> 0:52:06.790
<v Speaker 4>You all right?

0:52:06.890 --> 0:52:09.190
<v Speaker 5>And saying, look, I'm not going to hang that over

0:52:09.230 --> 0:52:11.750
<v Speaker 5>your head. To me, that's what leadership is all about.

0:52:12.130 --> 0:52:15.590
<v Speaker 3>Sat down with Amarius Mims for a lengthy TV interview today.

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<v Speaker 3>That'll be on this week's episode of Bengals Weekly. He

0:52:18.469 --> 0:52:22.719
<v Speaker 3>was fantastic, so I hope people check that out. Amarius,

0:52:22.860 --> 0:52:28.340
<v Speaker 3>in three games this year, has had 111 pass-blocking snaps

0:52:29.020 --> 0:52:33.989
<v Speaker 3>without allowing a pressure, according to Pro Football Focus. The tackle,

0:52:34.250 --> 0:52:36.969
<v Speaker 3>aside from him, who's had like the most snaps without

0:52:37.010 --> 0:52:40.670
<v Speaker 3>allowing a single pressure, has like six or seven snaps.

0:52:40.750 --> 0:52:44.060
<v Speaker 3>It's impossible to do what he's done through the first

0:52:44.100 --> 0:52:47.480
<v Speaker 3>three games of the season. You're 100% on it. He

0:52:47.560 --> 0:52:52.219
<v Speaker 3>is playing like a first-team all-pro, like the best right

0:52:52.260 --> 0:52:55.950
<v Speaker 3>tackle in the NFL through three games. Here's offensive coordinator

0:52:55.989 --> 0:53:00.610
<v Speaker 3>Dan Pitcher speaking about the incredibly strong start for Amarius

0:53:00.670 --> 0:53:01.690
<v Speaker 3>Mims through three games.

0:53:03.710 --> 0:53:06.750
<v Speaker 2>Marius has premier ability.

0:53:07.050 --> 0:53:09.830
<v Speaker 3>He's got rare qualities.

0:53:10.530 --> 0:53:17.720
<v Speaker 12>Rare qualities with a developing maturity and confidence and sense of,

0:53:18.540 --> 0:53:22.200
<v Speaker 12>I am this guy. That's where you can find some

0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:26.160
<v Speaker 12>special players. There's a lot of really talented people, but

0:53:26.200 --> 0:53:29.239
<v Speaker 12>there's a fraction of the players in this league that

0:53:29.300 --> 0:53:30.520
<v Speaker 12>truly couldn't be special.

0:53:32.000 --> 0:53:37.950
<v Speaker 3>And he's in that fraction. Amarius is 6'8, 350. His

0:53:38.030 --> 0:53:41.750
<v Speaker 3>hand is basically a foot from pinky to thumb when

0:53:41.790 --> 0:53:45.569
<v Speaker 3>he stretches it out. His wingspan is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. It's

0:53:45.610 --> 0:53:50.240
<v Speaker 3>seven feet, two inches. But it's his feet that really

0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:53.480
<v Speaker 3>is the separator. For a man of his massive size,

0:53:54.060 --> 0:53:56.379
<v Speaker 3>he's shockingly nimble on his feet.

0:53:57.000 --> 0:53:59.700
<v Speaker 5>I would say there are only two people in that category,

0:53:59.989 --> 0:54:03.230
<v Speaker 5>Dexter Lawrence and Amarius Bimbs. For those guys to be

0:54:03.350 --> 0:54:06.859
<v Speaker 5>that big, and both of them have incredible feet to

0:54:06.900 --> 0:54:09.439
<v Speaker 5>be that size, and if you really watch Amarius Mims,

0:54:09.500 --> 0:54:12.520
<v Speaker 5>and for those that maybe don't when you watch the

0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:14.819
<v Speaker 5>game in person or you listen on the radio and

0:54:14.860 --> 0:54:19.339
<v Speaker 5>watch on TV simultaneously, look at his footwork. I mean,

0:54:19.430 --> 0:54:22.589
<v Speaker 5>he gets in position and slides his feet as quick

0:54:22.650 --> 0:54:25.430
<v Speaker 5>as anybody I've seen to be that big. And again,

0:54:25.489 --> 0:54:27.509
<v Speaker 5>the reason I brought up Dexter Lawrence, I think we

0:54:27.550 --> 0:54:30.169
<v Speaker 5>watched both of them in practice, and you're looking and saying,

0:54:30.660 --> 0:54:32.900
<v Speaker 5>How are guys that big moving like that?

0:54:33.280 --> 0:54:34.779
<v Speaker 4>But Amaris Mims is athletic.

0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:38.259
<v Speaker 5>If you go back and look at his NFL combine,

0:54:38.700 --> 0:54:40.630
<v Speaker 5>the things that he did in that combine and the

0:54:40.690 --> 0:54:43.630
<v Speaker 5>way he moved is just, he's a freak of nature.

0:54:44.030 --> 0:54:46.629
<v Speaker 5>People wondered why the Bengals drafted him. I don't think

0:54:46.650 --> 0:54:47.610
<v Speaker 5>they're wondering anymore.

0:54:48.430 --> 0:54:50.989
<v Speaker 3>So two weeks ago was the great Houston combo of

0:54:51.030 --> 0:54:55.350
<v Speaker 3>Will Anderson and Daniil Hunter. Last week, T.J. Watt and

0:54:55.530 --> 0:54:58.730
<v Speaker 3>Alex Highsmith. More of the same this week. On one side,

0:54:58.790 --> 0:55:03.279
<v Speaker 3>Jacksonville has... Josh Hines-Allen, he had 17.5 sacks a few

0:55:03.300 --> 0:55:05.660
<v Speaker 3>years ago. On the other side, and this is the

0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:08.940
<v Speaker 3>guy that will largely be matched up against Amarius Mims,

0:55:09.460 --> 0:55:12.360
<v Speaker 3>it's Trayvon Walker. He was the number one pick in

0:55:12.380 --> 0:55:16.120
<v Speaker 3>the NFL draft overall a few years ago. He and

0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:17.920
<v Speaker 3>Amarius were teammates at Georgia.

0:55:18.280 --> 0:55:18.860
<v Speaker 2>They're friends.

0:55:18.920 --> 0:55:22.860
<v Speaker 3>They know each other well. Another tremendous challenge for Amarius

0:55:22.900 --> 0:55:23.279
<v Speaker 3>this week.

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:27.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm excited because I'm laughing. I think you were

0:55:27.060 --> 0:55:30.580
<v Speaker 5>talking to him last week, and he said, I want

0:55:30.620 --> 0:55:34.239
<v Speaker 5>to go up against the $ 50 million. I want to

0:55:34.300 --> 0:55:36.850
<v Speaker 5>see where I rank among these guys with this kind

0:55:36.890 --> 0:55:39.489
<v Speaker 5>of money. And, you know, in the NFL, a lot

0:55:39.510 --> 0:55:42.110
<v Speaker 5>of it is based on performance. I think he answered

0:55:42.150 --> 0:55:43.270
<v Speaker 5>the challenge last week.

0:55:43.830 --> 0:55:44.509
<v Speaker 4>I think that.

0:55:44.450 --> 0:55:48.629
<v Speaker 5>He's looking forward each week to proving it's not an aberration.

0:55:49.160 --> 0:55:51.469
<v Speaker 5>when I make a play or have a series or

0:55:51.510 --> 0:55:53.390
<v Speaker 5>have a game like this. This is going to be

0:55:53.450 --> 0:55:56.810
<v Speaker 5>who Amarius Mims wants to become because in his mind,

0:55:56.850 --> 0:55:58.870
<v Speaker 5>this is his goal, and it's really beyond what the

0:55:58.910 --> 0:55:59.530
<v Speaker 5>Bengals want.

0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:02.280
<v Speaker 3>All right, we're going to take a timeout. Coming up next,

0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:05.700
<v Speaker 3>we will head to Jacksonville and get the scoop on

0:56:05.739 --> 0:56:09.740
<v Speaker 3>this week's opponent, the 2-1 Jacksonville Jaguars. You are listening

0:56:09.780 --> 0:56:12.210
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<v Speaker 3>has been awesome. Thank you, Jen. And it's great to

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<v Speaker 3>have Bengals fans with us here tonight. It's time to

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<v Speaker 3>take an in-depth look at this week's opponent. We call

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<v Speaker 3>it Know the Foe. The opponent this week, the 2-1

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<v Speaker 3>Jacksonville Jaguars, reigning division champs. And they have really been

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<v Speaker 3>on a roll now since the beginning of last year.

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<v Speaker 3>Their head coach, Liam Cohen, has done a remarkable job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he has.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's learn more about them as we welcome Mark Long

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<v Speaker 3>to the show. He covers Jacksonville Jaguars and other sports

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<v Speaker 3>teams in that area for the Associated Press. Mark, welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for coming on the show. We appreciate your time.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, thanks for having me. I wish I was there

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<v Speaker 6>eating wings with you guys.

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<v Speaker 3>They are tasty, yes. I'm sorry we can't share them

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<v Speaker 3>long distance through the phone lines, but we do appreciate

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<v Speaker 3>you coming on the show. Let's talk about this Jacksonville team.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to start with the defense because so far

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<v Speaker 3>this season, Jacksonville has given up the fewest points of

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<v Speaker 3>any team in the NFL. Everybody thinks of Trevor Lawrence.

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<v Speaker 3>and some of the good players on offense, but the

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<v Speaker 3>defense has been exceptional so far. What stands out to

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<v Speaker 3>you kind of both in general terms about the defense

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe some of the individuals that are playing particularly well?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it really does start with a lot of continuity, right?

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<v Speaker 6>They return their defensive coordinator from a year ago. They return...

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<v Speaker 6>10 of 11 starters on that side of the ball.

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<v Speaker 6>So they know what they're doing. They're comfortable in their scheme.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's where it kind of really shows. And they

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<v Speaker 6>pick up where they left off last year. This is

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<v Speaker 6>a really good defense last year that could stop the run.

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<v Speaker 6>They led the NFL in rushing defense. And, again, looks

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<v Speaker 6>like they're going to be one of the top rushing

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<v Speaker 6>defenses in the league again. It starts with Devon Hamilton.

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<v Speaker 6>He's not the name on the defensive side of the ball,

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<v Speaker 6>but he is their– really their best player, their best

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<v Speaker 6>player against the run. He's a nose tackle who's just

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<v Speaker 6>a complete handful. You guys know a little thing about

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<v Speaker 6>that up there with Dexter Lawrence, but he is their

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<v Speaker 6>version of Dexter Lawrence, a little bit different body style,

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<v Speaker 6>doesn't quite get the push, but, man, is he tough

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<v Speaker 6>to run on. And then they're in. You know, they

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<v Speaker 6>set the edge, Josh Hines and Alan Trayvon Walker, not

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<v Speaker 6>over-the-top fantastic pass rushers, but very good at setting the

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<v Speaker 6>edge and not letting people get outside them, being able

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<v Speaker 6>to stop the run. So for them, that's where it starts. Secondary,

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<v Speaker 6>unproven a little bit because Travis Hunter's still in there.

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<v Speaker 6>They're rotating their cornerbacks around. They don't really know what

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<v Speaker 6>they've got with him yet. So I think this is

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<v Speaker 6>going to be his first really good test of this season.

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<v Speaker 6>He missed half of last year, the injury missed most

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<v Speaker 6>of the offseason, rehabbing from the injury, and they've rotated

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<v Speaker 6>him through the first three games. So this will be

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<v Speaker 6>his first unbelievable test when you're talking about going against,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, that unbelievable duo of, you know, Jamar Chase

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<v Speaker 6>and T.

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<v Speaker 4>Higgins. Yeah, I was looking at the three games this year.

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<v Speaker 5>The interesting thing, the two games they win multiple sacks,

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<v Speaker 5>even five sacks. I think the first game is Cleveland,

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<v Speaker 5>but against Denver, no sacks. it would seem that they

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<v Speaker 5>really want to make sure they get to the quarterback

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<v Speaker 5>to get their defense in rhythm.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that is absolutely what they need to do. They

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<v Speaker 6>need to get Trayvon Walker and Josh Heinz-Allen involved, get

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<v Speaker 6>them pressuring the quarterback. They've seen a lot of quick game.

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<v Speaker 6>Deshaun Watson, they got him late when the score was

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<v Speaker 6>out of reach, but it was a lot of quick

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<v Speaker 6>game early, certainly week two, Bo Nix. move the pocket,

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of quick game. Drake May, last week in

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<v Speaker 6>New England, same thing, a lot of quick game, trying

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<v Speaker 6>to get rid of the ball. Because these guys can.

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<v Speaker 6>They can wreck games, and there are a handful up front.

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<v Speaker 6>I believe if you go back to last season, Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 6>versus Jacksonville, Trayvon Walker really kind of had his way

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<v Speaker 6>with Amarius Mims on the right side. So it would

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<v Speaker 6>be interesting. Amarius Mims has made huge strides since that

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<v Speaker 6>Week 2 matchup last year. So it'll be interesting to

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<v Speaker 6>see what that matchup head-to-head looks like in year two.

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<v Speaker 3>Mark Long is our guest talking about the Jacksonville Jaguars.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about Trevor Lawrence. He looks like he was

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<v Speaker 3>made in a quarterback lab. 6'6, 220, glorious hair. What

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<v Speaker 3>has Liam Cohen done to bring out the best in

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<v Speaker 3>Trevor Lawrence?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, everything. This is exactly what Trevor needed for his career.

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<v Speaker 6>You look at a guy who was drafted first overall

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<v Speaker 6>in 2021 by Urban Meyer, and that was a complete debacle.

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<v Speaker 6>We all know how that started. Week four in Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 6>Urban decides strangely to stick around after that game and

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<v Speaker 6>ends up at his restaurant there in Columbus, gets in

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<v Speaker 6>all sorts of trouble, and it really was the beginning

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<v Speaker 6>of the end. for urban Meyer, but that just ruined

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<v Speaker 6>Trevor Lawrence's rookie year. Then he, you know, he looks

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<v Speaker 6>like he's going to turn the corner with Doug Peterson,

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<v Speaker 6>but that turns into a debacle because you had offensive

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<v Speaker 6>coaches pointing the finger at each other, offensive coaches, not

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<v Speaker 6>even talking during game planning, you know, or Doug Peterson

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<v Speaker 6>decided to give up play calling all of that affects

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<v Speaker 6>the young quarterback.

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<v Speaker 4>And it did.

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<v Speaker 6>And finally in year five for Trevor Lawrence, He basically

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<v Speaker 6>gets saved here with Liam Cohen. And Liam's a fantastic mentor,

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<v Speaker 6>played the position, so he knows what he's talking about.

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<v Speaker 6>And he's really found a different level for Trevor Lawrence.

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<v Speaker 6>He's unafraid to use his legs, run the ball. He

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<v Speaker 6>doesn't slide. He dives headfirst to try to– he doesn't

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<v Speaker 6>want that face up, making himself vulnerable to sliding hits. But, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>when you look at an offensive game planner, that's what

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<v Speaker 6>Liam Cohen's really good at, game planning, call and plays,

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<v Speaker 6>changing up formations, getting a lot of shifts, all of that,

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<v Speaker 6>disguising the look, kind of a three-ring circus up front.

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<v Speaker 6>And Trevor's got it all. He's got it all hands down.

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<v Speaker 6>He's figured it out. And I think one of the things,

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<v Speaker 6>the other thing that's helped, They've added some talent around,

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<v Speaker 6>and Parker Washington's come on. They added Jacoby Myers, dependable

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<v Speaker 6>receivers on the outside. They drafted Josh Cameron this year,

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<v Speaker 6>and he's a rookie, and he's just been a standout

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<v Speaker 6>stud for them, a guy they absolutely love. Brian Thomas Jr.

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<v Speaker 6>can stretch the field. They're playing a lot of 12

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<v Speaker 6>personnel with two tight ends. So they're doing a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of things to help Trevor out and maybe not make it.

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<v Speaker 6>And then the offensive line, really, that's probably where it

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<v Speaker 6>starts for them is the offensive line's played well. They

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<v Speaker 6>shifted some things around, and they're giving him time, and

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<v Speaker 6>he'll pick you apart. And that's what he's done in

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<v Speaker 6>two of the three games, and even in the first

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<v Speaker 6>half against Denver, kind of had his way in Denver

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<v Speaker 6>until second half changes.

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<v Speaker 5>Is the Travis Hunter experiment on offense over, or do

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<v Speaker 5>they still plan to use him here and there on

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<v Speaker 5>some specific plays?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that is a great question. And I wouldn't say

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<v Speaker 6>it's over. They got packages of plays finished. for him

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<v Speaker 6>every single week on offense, but they don't need him

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<v Speaker 6>on offense right now. So Jacoby Myers has been fantastic

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<v Speaker 6>as a possession receiver. Parker Washington has been outstanding as

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<v Speaker 6>kind of their go-to guy. Again, Josh Cameron, a rookie,

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<v Speaker 6>has stepped in and filled that number three role with

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<v Speaker 6>Brian Thomas Jr., those two guys. So they just don't

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<v Speaker 6>need Travis Hunter on that side of the ball.

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<v Speaker 10>Yet.

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<v Speaker 6>Now, if they have to, they'll play him over there,

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<v Speaker 6>but they've got a package of plays for him, but

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<v Speaker 6>they're not going to force it. That's kind of been

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<v Speaker 6>their mentality. We don't need to force this right now.

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<v Speaker 6>He missed half of last season with the injury. He

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<v Speaker 6>missed all of the offseason with the injury. So they're

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<v Speaker 6>bringing him along slowly, and I think they overwhelmed him

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<v Speaker 6>last year by bringing him in as the second overall pick,

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<v Speaker 6>throwing him in on offense and defense, and letting him

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<v Speaker 6>learn both. Well, trying to learn both, he really never

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<v Speaker 6>mastered either. And that was a problem, and I think

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<v Speaker 6>they saw that midway through the year that he didn't

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<v Speaker 6>know where to line up. He didn't know where to

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<v Speaker 6>line up on offense, and he really didn't know where

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<v Speaker 6>to line up on defense. And even to this day,

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<v Speaker 6>when you look at him out there, he still turns

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<v Speaker 6>probably 60% of the time. After the huddle on defense

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<v Speaker 6>and even offense, he has to be told where to

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<v Speaker 6>line up and reminded of what they're doing. So there

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<v Speaker 6>is still a learning curve for this guy. The EVP,

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<v Speaker 6>Tony Buscelli, is like, listen, we're still looking at him.

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<v Speaker 6>He's played 12 games at this point. He's not even

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<v Speaker 6>fully finished with his rookie year as far as they're concerned.

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<v Speaker 6>So they don't see it as an issue yet. I

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<v Speaker 6>know this. Travis Hunter wants to play more. He wants

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<v Speaker 6>to play on offense. So at some point, you wonder,

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<v Speaker 6>will that kind of become an ugly scenario where him

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<v Speaker 6>or his camp are demanding more and the Jags have

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<v Speaker 6>to figure out, do they, do they give in or

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<v Speaker 6>do they continue on the path that they're, that they're

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<v Speaker 6>at right now? They do like him on defense and

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<v Speaker 6>they think he can be a pro bowl cornerback. It just,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, he hasn't quite gotten the opportunity to play

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<v Speaker 6>out there. He's much better in man than zone. That's

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<v Speaker 6>the other thing. And they're kind of a zone defense

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<v Speaker 6>right now. So it'd be interesting to see if they

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<v Speaker 6>switch that up this week and, and maybe give Travis

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<v Speaker 6>Hunter a lot of man opportunity on Jamar Chase, or

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<v Speaker 6>if they bracket Jamar, do they put Travis Hunter on

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<v Speaker 6>Tee Higgins and take their chances that way?

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<v Speaker 3>Mark, my final question has to do with the running

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<v Speaker 3>back position. I think if you asked a casual NFL

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<v Speaker 3>fan who's the top running back for the Jaguars, they'd

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<v Speaker 3>probably still say Travis Etienne, even though he signed as

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<v Speaker 3>a free agent with the Saints. Bayshall Toot. He's on

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<v Speaker 3>a pace to run for more than 1,100 yards. How

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<v Speaker 3>good is Bashal Tootin?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he's got great vision and a great cutback ability,

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<v Speaker 6>and then we haven't quite seen it yet, but great speed.

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<v Speaker 6>This is a guy who ran 4.28, I think, at

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<v Speaker 6>the NFL Combine. That's one of the things they loved

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<v Speaker 6>about him is they just thought he was a home

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<v Speaker 6>run hitter. So they haven't gotten him. He hasn't quite

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<v Speaker 6>gotten that home run hit yet, and so they're kind

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<v Speaker 6>of waiting on that. But they think it's coming. He's

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<v Speaker 6>had a couple where it's like shoestring tackle here, arm

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<v Speaker 6>tackle there. Just one move, one step away from breaking one. So,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, if you're the Bengals, you're hoping it doesn't

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<v Speaker 6>happen this week. But if you're the Jags, you're kind

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<v Speaker 6>of fingers crossed. We think he's going to break through

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<v Speaker 6>at some point. And the sooner the better for the

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<v Speaker 6>Jags as far as they're concerned.

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<v Speaker 3>Mark, great stuff. Sorry we couldn't provide wings, but we

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate you joining us on the show.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll take a rain check next time. I'll do it

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<v Speaker 6>in person.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks, guys.

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<v Speaker 6>I appreciate you. Good luck.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much. That is Mark Long, who covers

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<v Speaker 3>the Jags for the Associated Press. We'll take a timeout.

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<v Speaker 3>ketteringhealth.org slash crucial catch. Training camp for a while there,

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<v Speaker 3>it seemed like the Bengals had too many wide receivers.

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<v Speaker 3>Who can you keep? Who's going to go? You remember

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<v Speaker 3>the storyline, and that storyline has quickly changed. Two weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 3>Andre Josibos suffered a thumb injury. He's on the injured

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<v Speaker 3>list for several weeks. It'll be at least three more

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<v Speaker 3>weeks before he can return. Now Colby Young... The rookie

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<v Speaker 3>that they drafted this year is dealing with a knee injury.

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<v Speaker 3>It's probably going to be a few weeks for him.

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<v Speaker 3>So instead of having all of this depth, suddenly they

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<v Speaker 3>found themselves a little bit light. Thankfully, one of those

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<v Speaker 3>guys that was in the mix throughout training camp was

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<v Speaker 3>still available. Mitchell Tinsley was on the practice squad for

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<v Speaker 3>the Houston Texans. That meant he was available for the

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<v Speaker 3>Bengals to claim off the practice squad and put them

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<v Speaker 3>on their 53-man roster. They have done that. Mitchell Tinsley

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<v Speaker 3>is back in town. He showed up in the building

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<v Speaker 3>at 7 a.m. today, and I talked to him after practice.

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<v Speaker 2>I was excited.

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<v Speaker 13>It's a place that had a lot of opportunities last year,

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<v Speaker 13>and I feel comfortable in the offense, so it kind

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<v Speaker 13>of felt like a no-brainer.

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<v Speaker 3>With a three-week period, is it like you never left?

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, picked up on the offense pretty quick. Nothing's really

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<v Speaker 13>changed too much, verbiage-wise, so I feel comfortable, and I'm

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<v Speaker 13>ready to go.

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<v Speaker 3>What was the greeting like when you walked in at

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<v Speaker 3>7 a.m.

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<v Speaker 13>Everybody was happy to see me. I think a lot

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<v Speaker 13>of people, when they look back at the training camp

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<v Speaker 13>I had and everything, they just were really excited to

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<v Speaker 13>have me back. They know things that I can help

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<v Speaker 13>or bring to the table.

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<v Speaker 2>To help us win.

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<v Speaker 13>I think a lot of people were just excited.

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<v Speaker 3>It's funny, Box. He was the star of training camp

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<v Speaker 3>last year. Colby Young, I'm sorry, Dante Myers was the

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<v Speaker 3>star of training camp this year. And one thing that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of worked against Mitch Tinsley was that he did

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<v Speaker 3>so well last year that he was typically out there

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<v Speaker 3>with the ones or sometimes the twos during training camp.

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<v Speaker 3>So when you're out there with the ones and Jamar

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<v Speaker 3>and T are out there, they're not throwing the ball

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<v Speaker 3>to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, right, right.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're in a preseason game with those guys, they're

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<v Speaker 3>not throwing the ball to you. So it's hard to

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<v Speaker 3>be the star again in training camp when you were

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<v Speaker 3>kind of promoted to be with the alphas. leaving room

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<v Speaker 3>for a guy like Dante Myers, typically more with the

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<v Speaker 3>threes before he kind of climbed the totem pole to

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<v Speaker 3>make a big impression by making a bunch of catches.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a catch 22 for these guys. And I think

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<v Speaker 5>one of the hardest things for any player when you're

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<v Speaker 5>trying to make a team is reps. You don't get

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<v Speaker 5>the reps. You don't get the reps in practice. You

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<v Speaker 5>don't get the reps in the game. And all of

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<v Speaker 5>a sudden, here's three plays. And you have to figure

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<v Speaker 5>out how to make those plays work. And last year,

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<v Speaker 5>Jamal Tinsley, The two touchdowns in Washington, he made those count.

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<v Speaker 5>Dante Meyer, to your point this year, he gets the

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<v Speaker 5>opportunity to jet sweep a couple of plays.

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<v Speaker 4>He makes them count.

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<v Speaker 5>And so I've asked young guys, how do you stay

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<v Speaker 5>ready or how do you put yourself in position? It's

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<v Speaker 5>really the mental reps.

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<v Speaker 2>You know this.

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<v Speaker 4>They're just trying to go through the reps as they

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<v Speaker 4>watch the plays.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember Jake Browning used to say, I would stand

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<v Speaker 5>on the sideline and act like that's me out there

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<v Speaker 5>and trying to, run my mind through the course of

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<v Speaker 5>play so that if and when I'm called on, I

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<v Speaker 5>have a little bit more familiarity.

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<v Speaker 3>So the Bengals have Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins, Dante Myers,

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<v Speaker 3>and Mitch Tinsley as their wide receivers now. Really, only four.

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<v Speaker 3>But they have also put Tanner Hudson back on the

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<v Speaker 3>full-time 53-man roster. And between Mike Kosicki and Tanner Hudson,

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<v Speaker 3>they're listed as tight ends. But they are receiving threats

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<v Speaker 3>first and foremost.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Burrow still has plenty of targets, even without Andre

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<v Speaker 3>Yosibash and Colby Young.

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<v Speaker 5>And I like Tanner Hudson being back because Joe Burrow

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<v Speaker 5>finds him, and Tanner Hudson knows how to get open

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<v Speaker 5>for Joe Burrow. I think it's a weapon that many

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<v Speaker 5>people sleep on, and I think that helps this team

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<v Speaker 5>because several times Tanner Hudson has made big plays and

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<v Speaker 5>scored touchdowns.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, in fairness to a coordinator, you're seeing.

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<v Speaker 5>Watch Chase, watch Higgins, oh yeah, watch Kosicki, or watch

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<v Speaker 5>Chase Brown, and then here's this other tight end, Tanner Hudson,

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<v Speaker 5>who has a Super Bowl ring, by the way, saying,

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<v Speaker 5>I know how to get open. I know how to

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<v Speaker 5>find a spot in the defense so that Joe Burrow

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<v Speaker 5>knows this guy's going to be open.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to give him the ball. I'm excited for

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<v Speaker 4>Tanner Hudson being back.

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<v Speaker 3>So we just heard from Jacksonville reporter Mark Long, and

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<v Speaker 3>one of the things that he mentioned was that the

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<v Speaker 3>Jags were number one in the NFL last year at

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<v Speaker 3>stopping the run. They're not number one right now, but

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<v Speaker 3>they're in the top five, and there's an amazing stat

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<v Speaker 3>where Jacksonville is concerned. They have not allowed a rusher

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<v Speaker 3>to hit 75 yards, not 100 yards, 75 yards in

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<v Speaker 3>their last 20 games.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa.

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<v Speaker 3>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>That's almost unreal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, the first thing that came to mind when

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<v Speaker 5>you said that was the Baltimore Ravens, a team that

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<v Speaker 5>won the Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer. That defense did

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<v Speaker 5>not give up a 100-yard rusher, I don't think, the

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<v Speaker 5>whole season.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, eventually Corey Dillon was the guy that ended their streak.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it was in the Super Bowl season.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>He was the guy that finally brought that streak to

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<v Speaker 3>an end.

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<v Speaker 5>And I will say that if there's a, I hate

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<v Speaker 5>to use the phrase bright side, but if there's a

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<v Speaker 5>good thing to this is Chase Brown hasn't gotten loose

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<v Speaker 5>yet and had one of those big games where he's

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<v Speaker 5>gone 100 plus yards this season, but they're still putting

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<v Speaker 5>points on the board. So I'm excited that if that

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<v Speaker 5>trend continues, hopefully the Bengals will break the trend, but

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<v Speaker 5>the Bengals have so much to offer offensively if the

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<v Speaker 5>running game isn't where they want it to be. And

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<v Speaker 5>I think that that's one of the things that you

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<v Speaker 5>can hang your hat on this Sunday. They're going to

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<v Speaker 5>try to get him going more. But nonetheless, if it's

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<v Speaker 5>third and whatever, Joe Burrow has an assortment of options.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, we're going to take a timeout. When we

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<v Speaker 3>come back, we'll talk about the injuries mounting in the

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<v Speaker 3>secondary and what that's going to mean facing Trevor Lawrence

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<v Speaker 3>and we are going to turn to an injury discussion.

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<v Speaker 3>care provider of the Bengals. For the first three games

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<v Speaker 3>of the season, when the Bengals played their nickel defense,

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<v Speaker 3>here's the way they lined up. DJ Turner and Dax

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<v Speaker 3>Hill were the outside corners. Jalen Davis was the slot corner,

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<v Speaker 3>and the safeties were Brian Cook and Jordan Battle. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>as of today, DJ Turner is still in his same spot.

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<v Speaker 3>Jalen Davis is on the injured list. Brian Cook and

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<v Speaker 3>Jordan Battle were limited at practice today, and Dax Hill

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<v Speaker 3>has changed positions. So a lot has changed. Let's specifically

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<v Speaker 3>talk about Dax Hill. They have the luxury... in a

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<v Speaker 3>situation like this, to move him around. He is a

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<v Speaker 3>very versatile chess piece, and even though his preference is

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<v Speaker 3>to stay at outside corner, he'll do what he needs

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<v Speaker 3>to do to help the team, and he is moving

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<v Speaker 3>to the slot corner position with Jalen Davis out. DJ

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<v Speaker 3>Ivy and or Bobo Davis will take that outside corner spot.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm guessing DJ starts because he's the more experienced guy,

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<v Speaker 3>but maybe not. They're both going to play opposite of

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<v Speaker 3>DJ Turner. Let's hear from DJ Turner talking about Dax

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<v Speaker 3>Hill's ability to move around as needed in the secondary.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody in the league can do what Dax does.

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<v Speaker 2>I stamp that. I really believe that.

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<v Speaker 8>He can literally play every single position in the secondary

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<v Speaker 8>at a high level.

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<v Speaker 2>No one else in the league can do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds like you would like him to get more credit

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<v Speaker 3>for that versatility.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's 100%. 100%.

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<v Speaker 9>A lot of people look at him for what he

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<v Speaker 9>did for the outside corner, but His resume is just crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>No one can do what he does.

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<v Speaker 3>Reporters clustered around Dax Hill after practice today to ask

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<v Speaker 3>him about moving from the outside to the slot, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was obvious. He's not thrilled about it. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>contract year. Outside corners are paid better. He's been playing

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<v Speaker 3>great on the outside. His most successful snaps, he's been

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<v Speaker 3>good everywhere he's been, but his best snaps have been

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<v Speaker 3>on the outside. But he's a pro's pro. They need

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<v Speaker 3>him on the inside right now. He will willingly make

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<v Speaker 3>the switch and undoubtedly play very well.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I like Dax Hill's confidence this year. Dax had a

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<v Speaker 5>little struggle there along the way trying to find his

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<v Speaker 5>footing and get comfortable.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he did that.

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<v Speaker 5>What I noticed about Dax Hill that I like this year,

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<v Speaker 5>there's a certain confidence about him that's unspoken. And part

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<v Speaker 5>of that confidence is I know that I can play

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<v Speaker 5>this game. I know I can play well, but part

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<v Speaker 5>of being a winner and a teammate is accepting the

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<v Speaker 5>role that you're given and playing it as if it's

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<v Speaker 5>the role that you want. And I think that's what

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<v Speaker 5>he's doing in terms of, I want to do whatever

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<v Speaker 5>it's going to take to help make this team better

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<v Speaker 5>and to help this team win. And as you said,

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<v Speaker 5>it's okay to say that's not your preference, but the

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<v Speaker 5>effort that he puts forth and the covering of the

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<v Speaker 5>tight ends and the way he's playing, I I'm excited

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<v Speaker 5>for him in the sense of if, If you're playing

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<v Speaker 5>and you're thinking about a contract, there's no better way

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<v Speaker 5>to get a contract than to show a team, your

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<v Speaker 5>own team or the other 31, that not only are

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<v Speaker 5>you versatile, but you do it willingly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So the timing is interesting this week because Jacksonville's best

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<v Speaker 3>offensive weapon. going back to last year, is a slot receiver,

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<v Speaker 3>Parker Washington. He led their team in catches and yards

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<v Speaker 3>last year. He leads the team in catches and yards

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<v Speaker 3>so far this year. Classic kind of undersized, shifty, quick,

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<v Speaker 3>make you miss in a phone booth kind of slot corner.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to be an interesting matchup and a tough matchup.

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<v Speaker 3>for Dax Hill.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the thing about Dax Hill, and you heard

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<v Speaker 5>Louis Breeden say he's bigger than I thought he was,

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<v Speaker 5>and he's big, but he's also quick. I think Dax

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<v Speaker 5>Hill is very quick and fluid. He's going to need

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<v Speaker 5>that for a guy like Parker, but I'm excited for

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<v Speaker 5>him for the challenge. I think, as DJ said, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>he's a guy that's, there's no other Dax Hill in

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<v Speaker 5>the league, and I'm thinking of a name like, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>Dax the Sack, S-A-K, Swiss Army Knife. But he's just

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<v Speaker 5>a guy that will accept a challenge.

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<v Speaker 4>And he's quick.

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<v Speaker 5>I think if you watch Dax sometime, he's a lot

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<v Speaker 5>quicker than guys that size. And so to have this

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<v Speaker 5>opportunity to match up against someone smaller but quicker, I

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<v Speaker 5>think he'll handle the challenge.

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<v Speaker 3>We had DJ Ivy on this show recently. I think

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<v Speaker 3>he's ready to step up and start as needed. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think he's as good as DJ Turner or Dax Hill, obviously.

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<v Speaker 3>But when you get to a team's number three corner,

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's pretty good. Had a great training camp.

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<v Speaker 3>defending Tee Higgins more often than not because Dax Hill

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<v Speaker 3>was out for much of training camp so I think

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<v Speaker 3>he's ready to step up and as for Bobo Davis

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<v Speaker 3>he played quite a bit last week needs to cut

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<v Speaker 3>down on the penalties that's not uncommon for a rookie

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<v Speaker 3>but he can stay with his guy he certainly demonstrated that.

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<v Speaker 5>I really like that kid man and I'm sitting here

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<v Speaker 5>smiling because I watched him a lot Sunday just wanting

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<v Speaker 5>to pay close attention he really does cover his guy

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<v Speaker 5>I think this kid's upside is really bright and The

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<v Speaker 5>thing that I like about him, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 5>throw cash as Hal in there, two humble guys. These

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<v Speaker 5>guys didn't come in like, I'm the pick. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm the pick. No, they came in, yes, sir, no, sir.

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<v Speaker 4>Teach me. Hey, can I learn?

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<v Speaker 5>What do I need to know? I constantly saw Bobo

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<v Speaker 5>working on his footwork. Nobody asked him to. He's just, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>I got some down time. Let me get over here

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<v Speaker 5>and put in the work.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's showing.

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<v Speaker 2>I just.

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<v Speaker 5>The way he moved in this game against Pittsburgh compared

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<v Speaker 5>to the first game or the second when he got

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<v Speaker 5>some snaps, to me, was a different guy. Like, his

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<v Speaker 5>growth is happening fast.

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<v Speaker 3>And with Cassius Howell, I think people forget he was

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<v Speaker 3>not a five-star recruit that went to Texas A &amp; M.

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<v Speaker 3>He started out at Bowling Green for several years before

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<v Speaker 3>playing well enough there to then transfer to Texas A &amp; M.

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<v Speaker 3>where he wound up being the SEC Defensive Player of

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<v Speaker 3>the Year last year.

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<v Speaker 5>He made me laugh when I interviewed him a couple

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<v Speaker 5>weeks ago, and I asked him, have you always had

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<v Speaker 5>this energy? I mean, he just goes. He says, I've

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<v Speaker 5>always had energy. I just didn't know what I was doing.

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<v Speaker 5>And I just thought, well, there's a ball over there.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess I'm supposed to go chase it. And so

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<v Speaker 5>he developed this pursuit a long time ago. But I

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<v Speaker 5>talked to him today, and he said, I'm okay with

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<v Speaker 5>knowing that my time is coming. I trust God. I

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<v Speaker 5>know that it's going to happen. And just as he

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<v Speaker 5>said that, B.J. Hill chimes in and says, watch what's

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<v Speaker 5>going to happen. I mean, it just, you know it's

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<v Speaker 5>about to come, and he's putting in the work. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>so excited for kids who respect the game and respect

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<v Speaker 5>the veterans in the locker room and put the work in.

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<v Speaker 5>These two guys exemplify that for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and Cassius Howell's time is coming. 100% accurate. All right,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to take a timeout. When we come back,

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<v Speaker 3>it's our final segment, and we'll be talking about one

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<v Speaker 3>of the craziest examples of hustle that I can remember

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<v Speaker 3>in recent Bengals history.

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<v Speaker 2>That's next.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the Bengals Game Plan Show presented by Bud

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<v Speaker 3>Light on ESPN 1530. Final segment of the Bengals Game

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<v Speaker 3>Plan Show presented by Bud Light. A few thank yous

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<v Speaker 3>to pass along before we get to our final topic

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<v Speaker 3>of conversation. Thanks to our great engineer, Mike Mills, hustling

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<v Speaker 3>out here early and setting everything up. Thank you to Taryn,

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<v Speaker 3>anything but bland, back in the studio. Thank you to

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<v Speaker 3>Nikki Growl, who helps us with the autograph lines and

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<v Speaker 3>with our giveaways during our Wednesday night shows. Thank you

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<v Speaker 3>to Nita, the official pastry chef of the Bengals Radio Network,

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<v Speaker 3>for bringing out the treats. Thank you to Jen, our

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<v Speaker 3>awesome server tonight here at Buffalo Wild Wings in Mason.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you to Louis Breeden, who came out and spent

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<v Speaker 3>an hour with us. Class personified.

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<v Speaker 5>I could listen to Louis Breeden, and Louis is going

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<v Speaker 5>to laugh and feel bad at the same time, but

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<v Speaker 5>Louis reminds me of the old Negro League players I

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<v Speaker 5>used to have on my sports talk show. You could

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<v Speaker 5>just sit and listen to them talk all day. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>the way they talk, the stories they tell, the information

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<v Speaker 5>they share is second to none.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool Papa Breeden?

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<v Speaker 4>I like that. That's a pretty good one. All right.

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<v Speaker 3>Prior to the last commercial, I teased one of the

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<v Speaker 3>great examples of hustle that I can remember in recent

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<v Speaker 3>Bengals memory. And in case you missed this, on the

1:23:54.960 --> 1:23:58.060
<v Speaker 3>final offensive play last week that unfortunately ended the game

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<v Speaker 3>for the Bengals, Joe Burrow gets hit by Derek Harmon.

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<v Speaker 3>The ball pops out. Dalton Reisner fights to try to

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<v Speaker 3>recover it, but a member of the Pittsburgh Steelers fell

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<v Speaker 3>on top of the ball and was credited with the recovery.

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<v Speaker 3>But Eric All was running a deep pass pattern down

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<v Speaker 3>the field. The ball was fumbled at the 50-yard line.

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<v Speaker 3>When this happened, Eric All was at the 15-yard line,

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<v Speaker 3>35 yards away. He sees the ball on the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>He turns around, and he begins sprinting. He gets involved

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<v Speaker 3>in the scrum, and after an extended period of time,

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<v Speaker 3>Eric Hall is the guy that comes out of the

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<v Speaker 3>pack with the football. It was crazy. Now, again, the

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<v Speaker 3>officials had already decided that Pittsburgh had recovered, but here

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<v Speaker 3>is Dalton Reisner expressing his admiration for the hustle displayed

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<v Speaker 3>by Eric Hall.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, what's cool is Eric Hall is just a

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<v Speaker 8>tough SOB and one of my favorite teammates because... If

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<v Speaker 8>you're bored today, go back and watch. I had an

1:25:03.810 --> 1:25:06.389
<v Speaker 8>angle at it, and Sebastian Joseph Day was running. He

1:25:06.410 --> 1:25:08.189
<v Speaker 8>had a better angle at it, and I tried to

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<v Speaker 8>shoulder him.

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to truck stick him out of the way.

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<v Speaker 8>And he recovered the ball at that point in time,

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<v Speaker 8>and he was probably being touched by me or someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>So at that point, it's over.

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<v Speaker 8>But Eric Al comes running from downfield and finds a

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<v Speaker 8>little crevice in that pile and literally jumps in there.

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<v Speaker 8>And after about two minutes of being on the ground,

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<v Speaker 8>He comes up with the football, bro. Eric was like

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<v Speaker 8>the last person on that pile. Somehow managed to get

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<v Speaker 8>in there and take it from a defensive tackle. And

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<v Speaker 8>that's just who he is.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that guy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really cool. I asked Eric about it today. He

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<v Speaker 3>said that the Steelers player was on top of the

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<v Speaker 3>ball with his body but did not have his hands

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<v Speaker 3>around it. So Eric insists it should have been Bengals ball.

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<v Speaker 3>Dalton Reiser says not really. It was recovered by Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 3>But just to be 35 yards away and say, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what? I'm not conceding anything. I'm going to sprint,

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<v Speaker 3>get my strong hands in there and see if I

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<v Speaker 3>can save the day.

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<v Speaker 5>If I'm a coach, I'm running a clicker back and forth.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm running back and forth. You want to get to

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<v Speaker 5>the Super Bowl, this is how we're going to get there.

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<v Speaker 5>Not with Joe Burrow throwing touchdowns, not with Dexter Lawrence sacking.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that'd be nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Too.

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<v Speaker 5>These intangibles, the plays with no stats is what wins games.

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<v Speaker 5>In basketball, the coaches always put the hustle plays up there.

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<v Speaker 5>These are the hustle plays. You're not going to see stats,

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<v Speaker 5>but Eric Hall, man, the way he stood up to

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<v Speaker 5>the Pittsburgh defense, you know, when it got.

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<v Speaker 4>A little rough, a little physical there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he loves that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's my kind of football player.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, mine too. All right, Eric Hall, of course, is

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<v Speaker 3>a tight end. We've got a former Bengals tight end

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<v Speaker 3>who is going to be on the Bengals pep rally

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<v Speaker 3>show this week, this Friday afternoon at the On the

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<v Speaker 3>Rhine Eatery above the downtown Kroger. The host, our location

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<v Speaker 3>for our show every Friday afternoon, the food hall there

1:26:52.630 --> 1:26:56.720
<v Speaker 3>above the downtown Kroger. C.J. Uzama coming back to town.

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<v Speaker 3>When C.J. was here in the offseason, we mentioned he

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<v Speaker 3>was going to be doing some broadcasting work with us

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<v Speaker 3>this season, and this will be the first of several

1:27:05.060 --> 1:27:07.850
<v Speaker 3>times that C.J. will be involved. He is going to

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<v Speaker 3>be on the show on Friday with our pal Joe Dannemann.

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<v Speaker 3>The show is from 3 to 6.

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<v Speaker 2>C.J.

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<v Speaker 3>Uzama will be there for all three hours, and in

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<v Speaker 3>the final hour of the show, they will be joined

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<v Speaker 3>by his position coach, still the Bengals tight ends coach,

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<v Speaker 3>James Casey, who is one of the most interesting people

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<v Speaker 3>I have ever met in my life.

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<v Speaker 5>One of my favorite people. One of my favorite. And

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<v Speaker 5>his son goes to St. X, by the way.

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<v Speaker 3>And is probably a great athlete.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I'm not going to say I steered him there

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<v Speaker 4>because I really didn't. But I'm just.

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<v Speaker 2>Glad he went. All right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's going to do it for our show tonight. Thanks

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<v Speaker 3>so much for the folks who came out to join us.

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