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Speaker 4: How's it going it correct? Yeah, it's going great.

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Speaker 5: It sounds like, uh, you know, I think everybody's in

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Speaker 5: a very similar place with THEIRS CINCINNTI sports teams right now.

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Speaker 5: So we can you know, go ahead and keep that

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Speaker 5: tone rolling. You want to talk about Kyle Swarber, why not?

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Speaker 4: Hey, how close? Were they not? Close? No?

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Speaker 5: You know it was the uh you know, does he

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Speaker 5: want to come back here and play at home? There

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Speaker 5: is a way to assure that that happened. Yeah, do

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Speaker 5: you know what that is?

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Speaker 3: You pay the man.

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Speaker 4: You just you pay him.

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Speaker 5: You pay more than anybody else is willing to because

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Speaker 5: it matters to you, because he'd be a perfect fit

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Speaker 5: for you if if that was the way that it was.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I am not.

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Speaker 3: I'm genuinely interested in how serious the pursuit was. I

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Speaker 4: I would admit.

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Speaker 3: I will admit, like late last week, I'm like, all right,

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Speaker 3: they're like, you know what, this is our shot. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna like change our brand by financially coming to the party.

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Speaker 3: And making this work. Like I kind of to convince

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I mean it's it certainly doesn't fit any

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Speaker 5: at what point do we say, oh, we give credit

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Speaker 4: You don't get credit for pursuit.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what happened to the microphone there, but no, no,

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Speaker 3: this is the bottom line business. And look what I

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Speaker 3: I'm sure there are people willing to give it to them.

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Speaker 3: There's either a press conference where Kyle Schwarber tries on

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Speaker 5: But if you don't win and it's because you didn't

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Speaker 3: My question all along has been, this is not likely

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Speaker 3: what's if it wasn't Kyle Schwarber? What's planned B? Was

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure there are I'm sure there are answers.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's not the only guy out there, right

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Speaker 5: And and you know the idea of giving that kind

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Speaker 5: it takes away from somewhere else, there's a diminishing return

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Speaker 5: element to that because you're taking away from another area. Now,

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Speaker 4: But it needs to be something.

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Speaker 5: It can't just be bet on guys getting better because

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Speaker 5: we've we've kind of been down and that's not a

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Speaker 3: Part of it, but that that can be a part

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Speaker 5: I mean that's that's what That's what these That's what

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Speaker 4: That's what it has to look like.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about what does Sunday look like in Orchard Park.

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Speaker 3: That game on Sunday encapsulated my biggest gripe about this

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Speaker 3: team that Joe Burrow has to be perfect. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: in the absence of perfection, they have no chance. And

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow wasn't perfect. And look man the first to

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Speaker 3: admit his postgame demeanor told you everything you need to know.

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Speaker 3: He throws a pick six that you can't throw. He

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Speaker 3: a fun quarterback duel Alan Burrow in the snow high Stakes,

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Speaker 3: like late in the season, it was awesome. It's great drama,

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Speaker 3: great theater. Joe Burrow was terrific. The moment he stopped

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't. You can't make mistakes. You can't only

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Speaker 4: You can't. You can't do that. And that's.

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Speaker 5: It's the it's the frustrating element, and it's it's why

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Speaker 5: we use terms like waste seasons and things like that,

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Speaker 5: because nobody, just nobody else has asked to do this.

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Speaker 5: No one else is asked to go out here and

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Speaker 5: if we could be could be forty this week, Joe, Like,

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Speaker 4: Ten and two.

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Speaker 5: You can't lose these games. That is that is six

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Speaker 5: He was more than good enough to beat a playoff

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Speaker 3: What you're seeing Mike Paul coming from Miles Murthy and.

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Speaker 5: And I think you saw it in this game. They

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Speaker 5: were getting to the advantageous situations. They forced four fourth downs,

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Speaker 4: They all of these things.

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Speaker 4: And you have that.

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Speaker 5: You go through all of those fourth downs, any one

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Speaker 3: How demented I am in the fourth quarter, up ten,

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Speaker 4: This is the moment.

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Speaker 3: This is what. This is where my headspace was on Sunday.

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Speaker 5: And I honestly, as we as we were sitting there

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Speaker 3: I did too.

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Speaker 4: How about this?

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Speaker 5: They came into Buffalo and did it again. They came out,

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Speaker 3: Kelsey chev dot com. Kyle Schwarber is not going to

435
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Speaker 3: play for the Reds at least not in twenty twenty

436
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Speaker 3: six or twenty twenty seven or twenty twenty eight or

437
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 3: twenty twenty nine or two thousand and thirty unless the

438
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Speaker 3: Phillies trade into the Reds. I say that because he

439
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 3: has re signed with the Phills five years, one hundred

440
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 3: and fifty million dollars for the Middletown native. Ken Rosenthal

441
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 3: reports the Reds offer was five for one to twenty five.

442
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Speaker 3: We'll see what plann b is. Any Bengals news today,

443
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 3: any anything, Yes, there was a big Newsy day.

444
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Speaker 5: They got the news out of the way yesterday. Yeah,

445
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 5: nothing yet today. College basketball tonight on ESPN fifteen thirty.

446
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 5: It's Kentucky battling North Carolina Central. Tip off at seven

447
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 5: pregame at five thirty. Also tonight, Ohio State takes on Illinois,

448
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 5: and Indiana Square is off against penn State. Hockey Tonight

449
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 5: the Blue Jackets skate on the road against Carolina Paul

450
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Speaker 5: Danner juniors. Here from the athletic We uh, We've hit

451
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Speaker 5: on a lot of things in a short amount of time,

452
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Speaker 5: and I have so much more. Yeah, the news I

453
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Speaker 5: guess will end up being if someone ends up claiming

454
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,239
Speaker 5: Jermaine Burton, which is I guess interesting to see if

455
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 5: anybody thinks that that's worth a fire for them.

456
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 3: I don't really have a Jermaine Burton question. Yeah, you know,

457
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 3: when it was important he was suspended, I thought like

458
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 3: the news would have been Jermaine Burton's gonna play.

459
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

460
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 3: So this this just sort of felt like either they

461
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 3: moved on at the end of this year, or they

462
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 3: moved on at some point during the season and they have.

463
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it felt like, oh, Okay, finally, you know, I

464
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 5: mean that was kind of the the I mean, they

465
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 5: had more patients than I would have in terms of

466
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 5: how long the charades sort of went on this year.

467
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 5: But they, yeah, finally finally decided that obviously this is uh,

468
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 5: the trust is.

469
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Speaker 4: Never going to come back between organization and player.

470
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Speaker 3: Explain this to me. T Higgins was in concussion protocol

471
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 3: was last week. Yeah, right, was working out of it.

472
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 4: It did work out.

473
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Speaker 3: It did work out of it. Plays in the game

474
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Speaker 3: on Sunday, Yes, hits his head on the turf. Is

475
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Speaker 3: pointing to his head like, hey, hit my head on

476
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 3: the turf. His head hits the turf again in the game.

477
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 3: As he's playing the game and playing very well, it

478
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 3: looks like he's dealing with some effect. There's something there,

479
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 3: something that would make you think maybe T is not

480
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 3: all right, But they never take him out of the game,

481
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Speaker 3: and then yesterday we find out he's back in concussion protocol.

482
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Speaker 3: Can you make that make sense?

483
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, here's the thing, specifically, when it comes to concussions,

484
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 5: they're absolutely, unequivocally have to be guardrails in place to

485
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 5: make it so there is no gray area with this,

486
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 5: and there are, so the coaches and everybody else essentially

487
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 5: has to be taken out of the equation, and they do.

488
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 5: That's why the independent neurologists exists. That's why the guy

489
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 5: with the red hat takes you into the blue tent

490
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Speaker 5: and they give you the baseline test to test for

491
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 5: concussions when they take you in there. If you pass that,

492
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 5: that's all anyone can go off of. In the heat

493
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 5: of the game that's happening out there. He passes it, Okay,

494
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 5: he's okay. Then it happens again, take him in there again.

495
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 5: They do it again. In terms of it's it's the

496
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 5: spotter there's no saying that he definitely has it. Just

497
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 5: because a guy hits said it doesn't assign me he

498
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 5: has it. Says he's good, clears him to go back

499
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 5: into the game, whether whether it's making a decision I'm

500
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 5: deciding to keep you out or making decisions like get

501
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 5: back in there, those thoughts, those actions are taken away

502
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 5: from the staff, right and forget, And that's the way

503
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 5: that it should be. Yeah, so I don't I guess

504
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 5: I don't understand. I get what it looks like.

505
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 3: Well, it's how it looks because then you find out

506
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 3: he's in the protocol.

507
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 5: Well after the game, he reports that he was feeling

508
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 5: symptoms afterwards. Okay, that wasn't during the game.

509
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Speaker 4: Okay.

510
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 5: Can can we then look back and say, t were

511
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 5: you trying to fake your way through it? Did you

512
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 5: successfully fake your way through it? Maybe that's part of

513
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 5: whatever happened with the neurologists, But to me, that falls

514
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Speaker 5: on the independent neurologists.

515
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Speaker 3: Yes, no doubt, Well trust me.

516
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Speaker 5: What or the entire process? My question is, I don't

517
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 5: know that there's I don't know. They certainly haven't come

518
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 5: up with a better way, and we know that they've

519
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 5: tried to.

520
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Speaker 3: My question isn't based on a belief for an assumption

521
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Speaker 3: that the Bengals did something wrong. It was it just

522
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,479
Speaker 3: it's how it adds up. He was in protocol. I

523
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 3: watched him. He looked like he was struggling by the

524
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Speaker 3: way he was also awesome on Sunday. Looks like he's struggling.

525
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: Then we find out, well, actually they put him in

526
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: the protocol because he reported symptoms after the game. Something

527
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Speaker 3: in that process seems broken.

528
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 5: Trying to diagnose concussions is broken. Yeah, and I mean

529
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Speaker 5: generally like it's just it is it is. This is

530
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 5: the NFL gray area. Okay, of they don't really they

531
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 5: haven't come up with any fail safe you know process here.

532
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 5: There's no way to do it right in that moment

533
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 5: other than you end up sometimes taking people out of

534
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 5: the game that don't.

535
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 4: Have concussions at all.

536
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 5: Sure because you think that it looks like they might have, right,

537
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 5: and the PA and the NFL sign up for this process.

538
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 5: They abide by this process, and all they can do

539
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 5: is go with it. And I also do think you know,

540
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 5: I mean, I've certainly never played I played it in

541
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 5: some intense games in grade school when I played football.

542
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 5: I don't know what it's like to be out there

543
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 5: and go through one of these games where you don't know,

544
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 5: everything hurts, you're playing through stuff. It's crazy, Like I

545
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 5: can't imagine. I'm not wired like these guys don't do

546
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 5: anything like that. But I imagine there's lots of times

547
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 5: where once you get out of the game, the heat

548
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 5: of the game and it ends, and you're sitting there

549
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 5: in the locker room and you're able to, you take

550
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 5: more stock of how do I actually feel? So that's

551
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 5: probably part of this for Tea right, and for whatever

552
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 5: it's worth, and very little. He was very normal talking

553
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 5: like there wasn't any Do we hear stories of like

554
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 5: after a game where Chad Johnson was just like yelling

555
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 5: thing you right, and like pr had to come in

556
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 5: and stop it. Back in the day, This wasn't It

557
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 5: was a very normal conversation. I've talked to T, been

558
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 5: in parts of interview scrums with T many many times

559
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 5: sounded nothing different than normal.

560
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 4: I don't know.

561
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 5: I think this is an inherent issue in the NFL.

562
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 5: Is it's just a gray area, man, and then and

563
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 5: all they can go by is whatever this independent neurologist

564
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 5: says that's all they can go by. That's how he

565
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 5: ends up back in the game, and that's how it

566
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 5: ends up after the game with someone saying, I'm feeling

567
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 5: symptoms now, and you end up back in the in

568
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 5: the protocol, and I'd imagine this will probably be a

569
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 5: longer stint there, and it may it may even end

570
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 5: up being the last we see of t this year.

571
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 5: I don't know, but you know, it's I it's it's

572
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 5: it's just a hard thing to navigate.

573
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: Uh, finding out that Trey Hendrickson is opting for surgery,

574
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 3: did that feel like an inevitable end to his season

575
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: and Bengals career? Yeah?

576
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 4: Yes, this was where this ended, right, Like.

577
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 5: There was this idea that, okay, well maybe if they

578
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 5: end up in something, he could come back later in

579
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 5: the year.

580
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 4: But I think.

581
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 5: It certainly feels like the timing of that was about

582
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 5: on point.

583
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: Right.

584
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 5: As soon as it feels like, okay, this thing's over,

585
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 5: we're just gonna move it on here and and and

586
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 5: move along, and you know, so it goes that. It's

587
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 5: the situation. I think it's pretty clear what dell this

588
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 5: is right now. It's yeah, it's it's again more gray area,

589
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 5: but the gray area of like how much could you pain?

590
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 5: Could you push through? Versus are you willing to versus

591
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 5: taking care of yourself and making sure that you're one

592
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 5: hundred percent ready by the time you get to free agency.

593
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 4: And that's where it's at.

594
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 3: But do you have a favorite all time Bengals Walter

595
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 3: Payton Man of the Year winner? It's no longer a nominee.

596
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 4: It's a winner. Oh are we we are? They've changed

597
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 4: the verbont they've changed the verbage.

598
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, well it should be that, yes, And And you

599
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 5: know here, can I tell you something I don't.

600
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 4: Like is teams have now in.

601
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 5: The chase to win the Big Prize have had to

602
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 5: kind of try to find a way to work the

603
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 5: system where they're nominating the same guy multiple times. And

604
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 5: this is in no way it is no, no, no, I'm

605
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 5: not a digging that, but I'm just saying teams, I

606
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 5: think feel a lot of teams.

607
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 4: Are nominating the same guy multiple times.

608
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 5: It does help build your case to win the Big Prize, right,

609
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 5: There are so many players that do great things that

610
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 5: deserve more recognition for them, and and I just hope

611
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 5: people don't. I'm not saying anything that they should that

612
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 5: they shouldn't have a guy like Ted Carris be nominated,

613
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 5: like what he's done here is unbelievable. But I just

614
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 5: want to see more people recognized deserve it for what

615
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 5: they do on teams. I would love to see you

616
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 5: like you can only be nominated once, you only be

617
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 5: the winner once for a team or something like that,

618
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 5: just because I want to see more of the good

619
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 5: work that so many players do put out there and

620
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 5: money given to their causes and things like that and

621
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 5: help build up so much of what everybody else is due.

622
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 5: I would love to see that. But I because I

623
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 5: was curious and I went to look around, Like, man,

624
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 5: a lot of guys are being nominated a second and

625
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 5: third and however many times, I'd love to see more

626
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 5: of these causes that guys have got behind, and more

627
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 5: of the work that they've done get put out there

628
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 5: and so you can have more people benefit, like like

629
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 5: Ted has done with all the work that he has done,

630
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 5: and Sam Hubbard before him, and Carlos done that before him.

631
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 5: There's been a bunch of them. So you don't have

632
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 5: a favorite of my favorite Walter Payton Man of the Year.

633
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I think they've all been deserving.

634
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's it's pretty I think Anthony

635
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 5: can Anthony muon you has to be my favorite.

636
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 3: Well, you know, he won the big I guess my

637
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: of the Bengals nominee slash winners. And again they not

638
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: that it matters, but they changed the verbiage where it

639
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 3: was it used to be he's you know, fill in

640
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: the blank. Sam Hubbard is the Bengals nominee for the

641
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 3: Walter Payton Man of the Year, and they've changed it

642
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 3: to Ted Carris is the Bengals Walter Payton Man of

643
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: the Year. He wins their award and now he's one

644
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 3: of thirty two. I guess, yeah, I guess, so that's fair.

645
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 4: I'll take it.

646
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: I did listen to Drew Sample on the pregame show

647
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: on Sunday talk about some of the things he's doing,

648
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: and I thought, like, boy, that's there's a story there

649
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: that should be told. And nothing against the Bengals pregame show,

650
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: but like, this should not be the first time I'm

651
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: hearing of this.

652
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Speaker 4: And there's stuff that lots of guys do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, and I think my cause my

654
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 5: cleats has been really good for that out and it

655
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Speaker 5: helped to get a little bit more exposure to stuff

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Speaker 5: that's out there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would just I would just like.

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Speaker 5: To see more of those stories out there and given

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Speaker 5: money through the official NFL channels. I think there's a

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Speaker 5: lot that can be done using that the power of

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Speaker 5: that particular award, or have multiple nominees and a winner

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Speaker 5: on each team where you can then have three or

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Speaker 5: four different guys causes kind of get some get some

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Speaker 5: love and exposure.

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Speaker 4: There's I don't know, I just think there's stuff.

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Speaker 3: I agree that's well put. All right, Well, thank you

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Speaker 3: my pleasure. Back next week talking about the Ravens game.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be excited. I feel like the process

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Speaker 3: to make the playoffs is so simple now that I

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Speaker 3: haven't had to go to the playoffs simulator.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, well, there's a chance there's a chance that

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Speaker 5: Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes both end up eliminating from

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Speaker 5: the playoffs in Week fifteen this weekend, which.

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Speaker 4: Is remarkable, isn't it crazy.

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Speaker 5: There's there's a longer discussion that we need to have

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Speaker 5: this off season, and I think that that will have

678
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Speaker 5: be held a lot in NFL circles about why did

679
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Speaker 5: I why is this happening to not just Burrow, but

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Speaker 5: I mean so many of these big name quarterbacks struggling

681
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Speaker 5: even to get to the playoffs to be and then

682
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Speaker 5: having some of these teams built differently, uh that are there, yeah,

683
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Speaker 5: I mean that don't have that don't have the big

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Speaker 5: name quarterback that are showing up there now right now,

685
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Speaker 5: and just some of the roster construction I think, because

686
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Speaker 5: this is the first time it's felt like this in

687
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Speaker 5: a while where I think there's gonna be some interesting

688
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Speaker 5: roster construction fallout as we go through the off season.

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Speaker 3: What if your general takeaway is Patrick Mahomes isn't that

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Speaker 3: good anymore.

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Speaker 4: That would not be my general takeaway. I mean then

692
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I probably would mock myself.

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Speaker 3: I guess, well, you can mock me, because that's kind

694
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Speaker 3: of where I am right now.

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Speaker 4: It's, uh, you don't think he's any good anymore.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's He's We're now in this Mahomes

697
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 3: isn't good by his standards. Thing that we've now done

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Speaker 3: in consecutive years where he is still capable of doing

699
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Speaker 3: awesome things, he just set the bar so damn high

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Speaker 3: early in his career that I wonder if just like

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Speaker 3: he's come back to the pack a little bit and

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Speaker 3: the way he's played, which is still quite good, is

703
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Speaker 3: the new norm where I felt like at the end

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Speaker 3: of last year, everybody was like, ah, he wasn't great

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Speaker 3: by his standards, but he's still not yet thirty. He's

706
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Speaker 3: gonna flip a switch. He's gonna be super human again.

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Speaker 3: And that didn't happen in Kansas City this year.

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Speaker 5: Is it possible, and hear me out that any quarterback

709
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Speaker 5: need the decent offensive line in order it would be good.

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Speaker 4: Is that possible?

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Speaker 5: It is that perhaps it just doesn't diminish the quarterback

712
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Speaker 5: when their offensive line is maybe really bad and they

713
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Speaker 5: have to try to overcome that.

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Speaker 3: I haven't watched every Patrick Mahomes NAT.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying I've watched either, but I know their

716
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Speaker 4: offensive line is not good.

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Speaker 3: Their offensive line is not good, and it got worse

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Speaker 3: on Sunday Night. But like I watch a lot of

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes were just as a fan, I'm like, holy crap,

720
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Speaker 3: there's superhuman stuff going on here, and there just hasn't

721
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Speaker 3: been nearly as much of that. Maybe the offensive line

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Speaker 3: woes are the major contributing factor. But I it's that's

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Speaker 3: that to me is interesting. Does Patrick Mahomes turning this

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Speaker 3: superman again? And if the answer is no, can achieve

725
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Speaker 3: somehow reverse their fortunes.

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Speaker 4: You do need some good players around you.

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Speaker 2: It does help.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it does help.

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Speaker 3: We can send some of the Bengals players to Kansas

730
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Speaker 3: City and see if Patrick can.

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Speaker 5: Win with those guys, which ones all the defensive plates.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Paul Dayler Tringer at the Athletic dot com and

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Speaker 3: the Growler Podcast. We are here at Oakley Greens. Paul,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much. But our guy Jeff Carr joins

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Speaker 3: us to talk about what's next since the redsident. Can

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Speaker 3: Schwarber next? On ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 3: We'll see. We're done at five thirty. UK basketball, Let's

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Speaker 3: get right to it. Kyle Swerber is not going to

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Speaker 3: be a Red. He's re signing with the Phillies five years,

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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty million dollars. Jeff Carr locked on

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Speaker 3: Red's podcast. You know it's it's because I was on

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Speaker 3: your podcast last week. I really late last week started

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Speaker 3: to think, you know what, this may happen. So I

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Speaker 3: kind of blame you for feeling disappointed.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree with you. I started to feel this

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Speaker 2: way because you started to see a whole bunch of

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Speaker 2: things come together, albeit none of them were the most

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Speaker 2: important thing, which was the one thing that the Reds

776
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Speaker 2: just didn't want to offer up.

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Speaker 3: So he signs with the Phillies. Re signs with the

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Speaker 3: Phillies were portally five years, one hundred and fifty mil

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Speaker 3: so it's being reported Ken Rosenthal had this. The Reds

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Speaker 3: offer was five years, one twenty five. What's your reaction

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Speaker 3: to that.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the Reds were bidding against some sort

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Speaker 2: of ghost or or they didn't feel as though they

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Speaker 2: were bidding against teams with a lot of money, because

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Speaker 2: all reports that I had seen were looking at about

786
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Speaker 2: thirty million dollars a year, and so the Reds looked

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Speaker 2: at that and said, Okay, we'll go twenty five and

788
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Speaker 2: they come in almost an entire year's worth of money

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Speaker 2: less than what the Phillies offered. And we said all along,

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Speaker 2: we're like local, yes, love the team growing up, yes,

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Speaker 2: obvious connection, yes, but the money's got to make sense.

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Speaker 2: And in this case, the dollars just didn't make sense

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Speaker 2: because reportedly even the Baltimore Orioles had matched the Phillies offer,

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Speaker 2: and yet the Reds were unable to.

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Speaker 3: If you make that kind of offer five years, one

796
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty five mil, are you really being serious

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Speaker 3: about your pursuit of Kyle Swarming?

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Speaker 2: No, because I don't believe that that was ever going

799
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Speaker 2: to be on the table. I think that there's a

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Speaker 2: very high likelihood that the Pirates were about the exact

801
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Speaker 2: same offer. And we all know when we hear that

802
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Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Pirates are in on a player, we know

803
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Speaker 2: this is posture. This is them showing their fans that

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Speaker 2: they're trying. Kind of feels like we're looking at the

805
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Speaker 2: exact same at the Cincinnati Reds team. I get it.

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Speaker 2: They understood. They say that, you know, we only have

807
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Speaker 2: X amount of dollars and all this other stuff. But

808
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Speaker 2: this was an opportunity to change the narrative, to make

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Speaker 2: yourself legitimate, and they scoffed at it and they said, nope,

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Speaker 2: it's too rich for our blood. We got to move on.

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Speaker 2: And they said, this is our offer, take it or

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Speaker 2: leave it. And of course Kyle Schwarber got better offers.

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Speaker 3: In your opinion for the Reds understanding their financial way

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Speaker 3: of doing things. For lack of a better way of

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Speaker 3: putting it, would five years and one hundred fifty million

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00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 3: dollars for Kyle Schwarber been worth it.

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00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: I think so, because you're definitely getting at least two,

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Speaker 2: maybe three of those years of elite performance in the lineup,

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Speaker 2: something that the Reds have not had, especially in the

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Speaker 2: power realm. I mean, we're talking about a guy, you know,

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Speaker 2: former manager Dusty Baker said that he could have hit

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Speaker 2: seventy two a great American ballpark. I don't doubt that

823
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Speaker 2: there's some validity to that, but he certainly would have

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Speaker 2: hit fifty, probably would have hit sixty. And we're talking

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Speaker 2: about a guy whose pursuit of career home run marks

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Speaker 2: that would put him near the five hundred mark by

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Speaker 2: the end of this this this tenure. So I just

828
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Speaker 2: don't understand why they're going to kind of turn their

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Speaker 2: nose up at five million dollars more per year. This

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Speaker 2: is actually very similar to the reports that we heard

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Speaker 2: that the Reds had an offer on the table with

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Speaker 2: the Diamondbacks back at the trade deadline to get a

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Speaker 2: Euenio Suarez, and the reason that they chose not to

834
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Speaker 2: pursue the offer anymore is because the Diamondbacks won to

835
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Speaker 2: somewhere around four million dollars more in cash back in

836
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Speaker 2: the deal. And so it feels as though the one

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Speaker 2: thing that is untouchable in this organization is money.

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Speaker 3: So no, Kyle Schwarber, what's planned B? I guess the

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Speaker 3: question is what should be planned B.

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Speaker 2: What should be planned B is Pete Alonzo. But what

841
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: isn't planned B is Petere Alonzo, Cody Bellinger, Kyle Tucker,

842
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: the top shelf, right, the top shelf is just it's

843
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: a foreign concept to the Cincinnati Reds. And in fact,

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Speaker 2: I think Ken Rosenthal even reported in that same article

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Speaker 2: where he mentioned what the Reds offer was that the

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00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: Reds are not in on any of the other big

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00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: free agents. I think that there was a report that

848
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Speaker 2: said that the Reds are linked to Cody Bellinger. I

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00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: think the Reds are linked to Cody Bellinger, like I

850
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 2: am linked to the owner of Skyline, because I was

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00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 2: just there the other day to get me a chicken Toledo,

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Speaker 2: and I think that that's what we're talking about here,

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00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 2: Like maybe they came up in conversation a little bit,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think that there's any real interest there,

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00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: or at least any legitimate interest in giving the money

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Speaker 2: that they were going to give to Kyle Schwarber to

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Speaker 2: any one of these other guys. Because the one thing

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Speaker 2: that worried me the most MO is that it felt

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Speaker 2: like this connection between the Reds and Schwarberg was due

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Speaker 2: to one reason and one reason only, and it's because

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Speaker 2: he was local. And I think that we will be

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Speaker 2: talking about the red it is it is, But I

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00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: really don't see any other reason as to why this

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Speaker 2: feels like it was more legitimate than the Reds giving

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Speaker 2: any one of the other guys on the top shelf.

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Speaker 2: I think we're going to be topying about a second tier,

867
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Speaker 2: third tier guy that will hopefully bounce back next year.

868
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Speaker 3: If you're interested in Kyle Schwarber, I don't understand why

869
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 3: you would have no inde pee Alonzo. Right, it doesn't

870
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 3: make any sense.

871
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 2: He's younger.

872
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 3: First, he's younger.

873
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: War wise anyway.

874
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 3: Right, He's durable as hell. I mean, he's played in

875
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 3: I think one hundred and fifty two games every year

876
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 3: since he became a full time member of the New

877
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 3: York Mets.

878
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 6: And defensive position, yeah, plays defense.

879
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 3: Plays it. I do not understand for the life of me,

880
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 3: why if you are interested enough in Kyle Schwarber to

881
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: at least give him a figure that you wouldn't just

882
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 3: do the same with Pete Alonzo. Now, that may not

883
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: reflect with Pete Alonzo's serious pursuit, just like it might

884
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 3: not reflect serious pursuit five for one for Kyle Schwarber.

885
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 3: I need somebody who is much smarter than me to

886
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: explain why if you have interest in adding Kyle Schwarber

887
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 3: to your team, which recognizes not just that he's from Middletown,

888
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: but on some level the fact that they could use

889
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 3: a guy who could hit the ball out of the ballpark,

890
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: why would they have no interest at all in Pee Alonzo.

891
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: I feel like they absolutely should, and in a apples

892
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: d apples comparison with the other teams in the league

893
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: that are going for the exact same thing that the

894
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: goal for. That's what we should expect as Red scends.

895
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: But knowing what we know about this organization for basically

896
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: the entirety of my life, unless everything else seems to

897
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: coalesce into this perfect scenario to bring a guy to Cincinnati,

898
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: i e. The King Griffy Juniors of the world. I

899
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 2: just don't understand how the Reds actually do that, because

900
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: they've never proven that in my lifetime, to go get

901
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: a guy like pie Alonzo who has no other connection

902
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: other than we offered him money and he agreed to it,

903
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: because it should be that way, Moan. I think the

904
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 2: Reds would be able to transform themselves in a very

905
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: similar fashion if they were to sign Pete Alonzo. But

906
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: there's a very good chance that they turn around and

907
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: they say, we give you five years, one twenty five,

908
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: and the Mets give Pee Alonzo four years, one hundred

909
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 2: and sixty or one hundred and fifty whatever. The math

910
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: ends up being that it's you know, closer to thirty

911
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: million than what the Reds offer, And I think that

912
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: that gets that done, and Peede Alonzo stays with the

913
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: Mets or goes to the Yankees or goes to the

914
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: Red Sox or something like that. It just it feels

915
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: as though the Reds continually have this idea of how

916
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: much a player should cost and that doesn't have any

917
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: bearing on how much other teams value players. And that

918
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: makes no sense to me.

919
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 3: Jeff Carr locked on Reds podcast for another few minutes. Okay,

920
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 3: So if if it's not Kyle Schwarber, and then it's

921
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 3: not that like next rung of Pee Alonzo Cody Bellinger types,

922
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: and you're still holding out hope that they acquire a

923
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 3: player via free agency specifically, who would make sense? Who's

924
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 3: in that next here?

925
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: So I'm looking at two different guys who would satisfy

926
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: the middle of the order idea, albeit one of them

927
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: is with power and one of them is just a

928
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 2: very steady hitter. Ryan O'Hearn, left handed guy, can play

929
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: first base pretty well, decent in the outfield, but not

930
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: like really grude, you look at him more as the

931
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 2: first baseman, but he would be a guy that you

932
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: could put behind Eli de la Cruz and feel good about.

933
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: And then Reeth Hopkins we had seen in Milwaukee, who

934
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: has the power, albeit it has health concerns. Both of

935
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: those guys feel like they fall squarely within the sweet

936
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: spot of what the Reds end up doing. I really

937
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: want it to be a ped Alanzo, but I just

938
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: don't think they're going to be in that market.

939
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 3: Is there a slugger that realistically could be had via trade? Now,

940
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 3: when I say realistically, like if I'm trading away a slugger,

941
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 3: I either have a chance to win with that slugger

942
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 3: and I need you to give me something that maintains

943
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 3: my chances of winning, or I have no chance of

944
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: winning with that slugger and you're gonna have to overwhelm

945
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 3: me with prospects. Is there a like a middle of

946
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: the order beat that can give this team some pop

947
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 3: that realistically would make sense as a trade target.

948
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 2: Looking at there's a guy that I would prefer the

949
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: Reds go for, But I think that this would be

950
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: a guy who would almost go in front of Elie

951
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: de la Cruz rather than behind him. He's Jared Durant

952
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: from the Boston Red Sox. Not necessarily a slugger per se,

953
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 2: like not a home run guy, but definitely a really

954
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: good hitter all around. The Red Sox reportedly want to

955
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 2: move one of their outfielders The problem is, I think

956
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: that will require one of the major league starting pitchers,

957
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 2: which once again the Reds have decided that are at

958
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 2: least reportedly saying that they don't want to trade from.

959
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: But I believe that you would have to give up

960
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 2: somebody like Brady Singer or Nicolodolo or somebody like that

961
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: in a deal for Jaron Durham, which goes back to

962
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: the reason of why we were so excited about Kyle

963
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 2: Schwarber and that it required only money and you didn't

964
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: have to get rid of anybody in your organization to

965
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: do it.

966
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, and look, I don't want to trade

967
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: any of those starting pitchers because I think the most

968
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 3: overblown thing is, well, the Reds have a surplus. Well,

969
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 3: if they did, they wouldn't have kind of run out

970
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 3: at the end of the season last year. But okay, fine,

971
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 3: if they're not going to pay top dollar for a

972
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 3: free agent slugger, then they're unless it's just scrape the

973
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 3: bargain basement, try to turn over stones and find hidden gems.

974
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: Then if it's addressed that area via trade, you're almost

975
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 3: gonna have You're gonna have to trade from your place

976
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: of strength. While I don't think they have a surplus

977
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: a starting pitching. Clearly, starting pitching is their.

978
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: Strength, right And I also think that, I mean, because

979
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: Boston's looking for a Gan, it's going to be at

980
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 2: the top of the rotation. Kind of feel like grades.

981
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: They're number two right now and they love Garrett Crochet,

982
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 2: but if they could get themselves another another ace to

983
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: go alongside them, I think that's probably who they're looking for,

984
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 2: which then brings in the Hunter Green thing, which Terry

985
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: Francona shut down yesterday. But I think that you're right, Like,

986
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: it feels as though the Reds have to do one

987
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: of two things. They need to either go spend money

988
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 2: for a marquee bat on the free agent's list, or

989
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 2: they need to spend the prospects or the the players

990
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 2: necessarily necessary in trade to acquire that big bat. But

991
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 2: it feels as though the Reds are telling us that

992
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: they're not going to do either one of those things,

993
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: and that they will continue to look for upgrades the

994
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: way they always have. And that's what worries me the

995
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: most about the off season moving forward, because it doesn't

996
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 2: feel like it feels like they're going to go out

997
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 2: They're going to sign Scott Barlow, Brett sueterback, and they

998
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 2: might even sign Miguel Andrew harback and say there we go.

999
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 2: Had an offseason and they just run back the roster

1000
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: that they had from last year.

1001
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 3: I just I worry that on some level, we're just

1002
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 3: gonna see another revolving door of Will Benson's, Jacob Herdabis's

1003
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 3: new version of Reese Hines and look, man, they made

1004
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 3: the postseason last year, but offensively they need It was

1005
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 3: so obvious what they should do. And for me, man like,

1006
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 3: I get it, it's not my money. For me, it's

1007
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 3: add the slugger, send a message, enjoy the goodwill that

1008
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 3: comes from it, and rebrand by extending your budget and

1009
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 3: paying top dollar for Kyle Schwarber. I've made this point.

1010
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 3: I've done it on your podcast, I've done it on

1011
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 3: this show. There's a major difference between not having the

1012
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 3: money for something and not being willing to go outside

1013
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: your budget. This because of all of the tangible pure

1014
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 3: baseball benefit, but all of the ancillary benefits. Kyle Schwarber

1015
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 3: and Pete Alonso are the type of players that are

1016
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 3: worth going outside your budget for, and in the absence

1017
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 3: of that, I do not trust them, despite whatever goodwill

1018
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 3: they may have built by qualifying for the postseason last year,

1019
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: I do not trust them to solve this glaring issue

1020
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 3: by doing a piecemeal or doing it with bargain basement guys,

1021
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 3: or even executing trades. And so that's that, to me,

1022
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 3: is why this is as unrealistic as it may have seen.

1023
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 3: It's still disappointing for those.

1024
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: Reasons, right, and because making the postseason is the opening act.

1025
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,959
Speaker 2: I think if you look at it in the way

1026
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 2: that everybody should, once you make it into the postseason,

1027
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 2: all right, what are you doing next? For us? But

1028
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 2: it feels as though we are hearing from the Reds organization. Well,

1029
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 2: didn't you see what we just did? We we made

1030
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: the postseeds?

1031
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, we did that, So made it.

1032
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 3: In game one? Sixty two is the last seed when

1033
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 3: the postseason's now been watered down. I don't want to

1034
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 3: diminish that as as tangible evidence that what they're doing

1035
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 3: has worked. But it's not. I want to win ninety

1036
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 3: seven games and run away with the National League Central

1037
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 3: and go into the postseason able to set up your

1038
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 3: rotation and take a week off before Game one of

1039
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 3: the NLDS and until they're in a position to do

1040
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 3: that until you can look at their team and say

1041
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 3: that is a bona fide possibility. I just don't take

1042
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: them serious as championship contenders and so maybe next year.

1043
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 3: Yet it's scrape by, barely get in and then they

1044
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 3: get hot, but scrape by and barely get in and

1045
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 3: then get hot sho and not be what you're hanging

1046
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: your hat on. And it feels to a large degree

1047
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 3: that that's what they hang their hat on. See what

1048
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 3: we did last year, you know what, we win another

1049
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: eighty three eighty four games, We scrape in and then

1050
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 3: you know, who knows what's gonna happen. That shouldn't be

1051
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 3: the goal, and yet it feels to a large degree

1052
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 3: for a lot of fans like it is.

1053
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: It is, and that's that's what the messaging seems to

1054
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: be coming out of. And may I also interest you

1055
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 2: on top of that, they like to break even on

1056
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: their budget too. That's that's another another thing that they're

1057
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: really shooting for. And it's it's beaten. It's beat me down.

1058
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: The last well four hours, I guess, is when we've

1059
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: heard the news, but understanding like where the Reds were

1060
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: in this process, where we thought they were and where

1061
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: they ended up is what has kind of just flattened

1062
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,720
Speaker 2: me a little bit. And when you look at everything

1063
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 2: that the Reds need to do, which isn't much, I

1064
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 2: don't I don't feel like they've got to go get

1065
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 2: half of a team. But if you go get a

1066
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: legitimate slugger man, everybody else in the major leagues takes

1067
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: you seriously. But that legitimate slugger is not Migueliandoor. That

1068
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: is a savvy footnote of a move. But it feels

1069
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 2: like we're going to be sold that as the feature.

1070
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 3: Frustrated.

1071
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 2: I want to I want, I want to like, I

1072
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 2: want to bring a file to your I shouldn't.

1073
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 3: I shouldn't be as frustrated as I am because I

1074
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: never I never looked at this as the likely outcome,

1075
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 3: but it felt like a possible one. And it's just

1076
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 3: such a missed opportunity. I've talked about this so much,

1077
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 3: such a missed opportunity to send a surge of excitement

1078
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 3: through your fan base, and I think there's so much

1079
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 3: value to that that you can't necessarily immediately quantify or

1080
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 3: judge in dollars. And I got to a point where

1081
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Speaker 3: I at least allowed myself to think that it was possible,

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00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,959
Speaker 3: even if I acknowledged it wasn't likely. And so maybe

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00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 3: I'm the full and maybe maybe we're all foolish for

1084
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 3: believing they could get this done, and probably are so.

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00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: I don't know. I also know too, you're you're very

1086
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: much enthusiasm for wearing the name of another man on

1087
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: the back of your shirt, and so I know you

1088
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: were sizing yourself up for a number twelve Schwarmer jersey

1089
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 2: and now you have to look at a number four

1090
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: Noelvi Marte jersey.

1091
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 3: I like noelve Marte. I would have bought a cos

1092
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 3: I would have if that's what it would have taken. Hey,

1093
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 3: you buy a jersey, we sign them. I'd have done it.

1094
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 3: Nobody asked me. But I I just I wonder. I don't.

1095
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 3: I don't want to. I don't want to poop poo

1096
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 3: what they did last year, because again, like you gotta

1097
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 3: get to the postseason. You got it. I mean, that

1098
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 3: was a big deal and it was fun. It was

1099
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,479
Speaker 3: fun watching them play those games in September, was fun

1100
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 3: watching them play in the postseason, even if those games

1101
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 3: didn't go well. But like my take from from the

1102
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 3: moment game to an la ended is the next step

1103
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 3: is the most difficult one. The next step is probably

1104
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 3: going to require a major acquisition, UH to make the

1105
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 3: offense dramatically better. I don't know that it's gonna come

1106
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 3: from with it. That doesn't mean there's not room for

1107
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 3: players who were on the team last year to get better.

1108
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that a huge reason why the Reds

1109
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 3: are better in twenty twenty six isn't gonna come from

1110
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 3: improvement from guys who were here a year ago. But

1111
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 3: and again it's just one guy. But to hear, you know, well,

1112
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 3: they're not connected to any of these other dudes. And

1113
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 3: then to make the assumption, and I think it's a

1114
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 3: fair one that they were in on Kyle Schwarber because

1115
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 3: of where he's from. Like, that's not how you run

1116
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 3: a legitimate major League baseball team. So if Kyle Schwarber

1117
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 3: was from Illinois, they wouldn't have been interested, Like are

1118
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 3: you kidding me? Like that they were interested in because

1119
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 3: he's from the greatest Cincinnati area. I want to tell

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00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 3: you that that's totally implausible. But knowing what we know

1121
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 3: about some of the things the Reds have done, I can't.

1122
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: And that's what is the most maddening because the same

1123
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 2: thing applies from Schwarber to Alonzo is that all you

1124
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 2: have to do is give up.

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Speaker 6: Some money and then you get the guy that you need.

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00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 2: It's not the scenario where we were, you know, a

1127
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: decade ago or twenty years ago or however long ago,

1128
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: whenever they make this big trade or that big signing,

1129
00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: but it feels like they still need to put peace

1130
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 2: is around that guy. This is the piece that they

1131
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: put around the guys they've got, but they just don't

1132
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: seem to want to make that move to get that

1133
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 2: one piece. Pete Alonzo would make this team a National

1134
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 2: League Central Division contender, and that is what people thought

1135
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: whenever they were going after Kyle Schwarber, Miguel andwhrr Ryan

1136
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: O'Hearn Reyese Hoskins. Don't do that.

1137
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 3: Uh awesome as always, Thank you so much.

1138
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 2: We'll chat soon, hopefully happier times. I appreciate you. Thank

1139
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 2: you having me.

1140
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 3: You go, Jeff Carr. Check out the Lockdown Reds podcast.

1141
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,959
Speaker 3: We are insanely late. I've been awful with time today.

1142
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Speaker 3: By the way, hopefully green as gift cards, so you

1146
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 3: know Christmas is coming sixteen days away. By the way,

1147
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 3: Sanna's gonna be here on Sunday. And I maintain, like

1148
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 3: the greatest get of all time. How they got Santa

1149
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 3: Claus less than two weeks before Christmas to come here

1150
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 3: to Oakley Greens amazing. It's one of the great like

1151
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 3: gets of alt They have Anthony Munos on the twenty

1152
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 3: first meet and greet before the Bengals game. That's big.

1153
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 3: Getting Santa Claus like you get Santa Claus in November,

1154
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 3: that's a big deal. Get what they had to pay

1155
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Speaker 3: to get Santa eleven days before Christmas.

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Speaker 4: I have no idea.

1157
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 3: So anyway, you can come meet Santa Claus and get

1158
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Speaker 3: some Oakley Greens gift cards. And if you buy one hundred,

1159
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Speaker 3: you get twenty five free. That's pretty good. One hundred

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Speaker 3: for your buddy, twenty five for you, or twenty five

1161
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Speaker 3: for you and or twenty five for your buddy. You

1162
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Speaker 3: know what, You divide it up however you want. Just

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Speaker 3: come to Oakley Greens, buy some gift cards, meet Santa,

1164
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Speaker 3: meet Anthony Muno's and have fun. It's twenty three from

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Speaker 3: five o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: This week? Be Reebons fly into Cincinnati for a battle

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1183
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1185
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,720
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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen away from five. We are at Oakley Greens. This

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Speaker 3: is ESPN fifteen thirty. You know what would make a

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Speaker 3: great Christmas gift would be like an Oakley Greens T shirt,

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Speaker 3: some Oakley Greens gear. Like if if you did a

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Speaker 3: show every week at Oakley Greens and you wanted to

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Speaker 3: buy the person who was doing a show from Oakley

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Speaker 3: Green's a nice gift. That's what I would get them,

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Speaker 3: Like an Oakley Greens T shirt. Just great gift idea.

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Speaker 3: They sell those here. Let's take a phone caller to

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Speaker 3: UK Hoops at five thirty, the Walkouts taking on n

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Speaker 3: C Central. Our guy, Sean said, is going to join

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Speaker 3: us with some Bengals stuff right now, Sam and Independence.

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01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 3: You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Sam, good afternoon, How.

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Speaker 10: Are you, Heym, How are you doing?

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01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 3: Wonderful Sam, how about yourself?

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Speaker 4: Good?

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01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 10: It was good to catch up with you. Fank you

1206
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 10: game the other night.

1207
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 3: Thanks for saying Hiyah.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely so I've been I've reached a point in my

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01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 10: adult life, being almost thirty, where I've decided not to

1210
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 10: let sports in this city is affect by mood and

1211
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 10: how I feel every day.

1212
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 3: Uh, how have you managed to do that? Because I

1213
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 3: give you some.

1214
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 10: Help, I said, I'm trying. I'm not doing it very well.

1215
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 10: Like it just feels so the right now. The Bengals

1216
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 10: they're just bad. You see basketball, we know what we

1217
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 10: know what they are. We you know, I knew they

1218
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 10: were going to lose the Xavier and they did. If

1219
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 10: we all knew they were going to lose his VI.

1220
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 10: You see football, they made a ball. But they're playing

1221
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 10: Navy in the Liberty Bowl and it's good, it's fine,

1222
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 10: but it's just it's it's a disappointment from what this

1223
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 10: was in October. And the Reds we just we've reached

1224
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,479
Speaker 10: the conclusion again that they're just never going to spend

1225
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Speaker 10: any money to get a star. So I don't know,

1226
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 10: maybe this is just a therapy session, but what what

1227
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Speaker 10: what like? What do we really have to look forward

1228
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 10: to in Cincinnati Sports. Ever, Well, this isn't This isn't fun.

1229
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 10: This really isn't fun right now?

1230
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean that see's good.

1231
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 10: I guess I'll give the credit. That's pretty good.

1232
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Speaker 3: Consistent playoffs team, championship contender.

1233
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 2: Sam.

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Speaker 3: I wish I had a bet answer for you, because,

1235
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 3: you know, the Bengals by the middle of the decade,

1236
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 3: this was supposed to be a championship was not guaranteed.

1237
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 3: You know, when the Super Bowl ended after the twenty

1238
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 3: twenty one season, most of us at least thought the

1239
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 3: window was going to be open for a while. Doesn't

1240
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 3: feel like it is right now, And I'm not sure

1241
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 3: when the window for serious, serious contention is going to

1242
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 3: be opened. It feels like that's going to take a while.

1243
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 3: The Reds. I'm so conflicted because I think the Cincinnati Reds,

1244
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 3: the state of this franchise is better than it was

1245
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 3: four years ago. They were a playoff team this year.

1246
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 3: They have good players, they have players that are worth

1247
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 3: building around. They have players who may have underperformed last year.

1248
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 3: But I'm I'm not convinced they're worth giving up on.

1249
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 3: Like this isn't twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen when they

1250
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 3: were not only losing ninety eight ninety seven games per year,

1251
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 3: but you knew they were, like there's something there. But

1252
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 3: it feels like the next step is the most difficult

1253
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 3: and the one they're least likely to take, which is

1254
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 3: go from a team that has a chance to be

1255
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 3: in the postseason, has some nice play to one that

1256
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 3: you look at and go, you know what bonafide powerhouse.

1257
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 3: You know, getting into the postseason last year as the

1258
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 3: last team in the National League. This fun, And again,

1259
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 3: like I think it was important. I think if you

1260
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 3: want to if you want to start building sustained success,

1261
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 3: the first step is get to the postseason. That was

1262
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 3: not insignificant, but it's now what and then now what?

1263
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 3: I just I don't know how they achieved that if

1264
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 3: they're not willing to go get the guys who are

1265
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 3: the most obvious fits for their most glaring need, which

1266
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 3: is somebody who can hit the ball out of the

1267
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 3: ballpark on a consistent basis. I certainly will hear people

1268
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 3: who say, look, Ellie's gonna have a better season, awesome,

1269
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 3: But why can't Ellie have a better season protected by

1270
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 3: somebody who's a bona fide slugger in the lineup. I'll

1271
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 3: hear folks who say that some of the guys who

1272
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,919
Speaker 3: were on the team last year will just naturally perform better.

1273
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 3: Matt McClain will be a year remove from injury. Fine,

1274
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 3: why can't you still go get the guy who most

1275
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 3: satisfies I guess the Schwerber thing for me is, if

1276
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 3: you were willing to go five and one twenty five,

1277
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 3: would they have completely thrown off the entire financial structure

1278
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 3: of the organization if they decided to screw it, Let's

1279
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 3: go five for one fifty, Like it's not apples to apples.

1280
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 3: But I sometimes I'll go to charity auctions and I'll

1281
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 3: see folks that like they're bidding on something, and somebody

1282
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 3: will bid two thousand dollars, and then the next person

1283
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 3: will bid like twenty two point fifty, and then the

1284
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 3: person who bid two thousand, it's like, all right, you

1285
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 3: won't go to twenty five hundred, like really, well, and

1286
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 3: it's not an Apple's apples comparison, but like you were

1287
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 3: willing to go to two thousand now, like the extra

1288
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 3: five hundred bucks is gonna break you. And I just

1289
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 3: I look at the reds similarly with the Schwarber think.

1290
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 3: Kyle Schwerber on his own was not gonna guarantee the

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Speaker 3: Reds we win ninety five games, but he was gonna

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Speaker 3: most directly and most likely satisfy their biggest need. And

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Speaker 3: I just feel like, when you have a team that

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Speaker 3: has what the Reds have going for it, that money

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Speaker 3: is worth paying. You can get that money back, That

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Speaker 3: budget is worth extending, that budget is worth going outside

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Speaker 3: of for a player of that caliber. And to me,

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Speaker 3: this offseason, and who knows what's gonna happen in the

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Speaker 3: coming weeks, but this offseason was a genuine test to

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Speaker 3: see if they're willing to go to a length that

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Speaker 3: nobody thinks they will. And as it turns out, the

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Speaker 3: folks who don't think the Reds will go to that

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01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 3: length were proven correct. I rambled there, Sam for like

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01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 3: three or four minutes, and I apologize. I hope I

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Speaker 3: made some sense.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, I'm just I'm just.

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Speaker 10: And I'm not saying the Reds are bad.

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Speaker 3: Like this is not. Again, Yeah, if the Reds were like,

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Speaker 3: if the Reds were bad, I wouldn't wanted to get

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Speaker 3: Kyle Schwarper. Like if the Reds were a bad baseball

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01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 3: team who cares about Kyle Schwarber, Go go build a core.

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01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 3: But they have, and so what are you gonna do?

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01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 3: That's next?

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Speaker 10: Exactly good Kyle Schwarber. Put him in the lineup with

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Speaker 10: the twenty two Reds that went sixty three for what

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01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 10: sixty two in one hundred. He wouldn't made it if

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Speaker 10: they would have lost ninety five games? Right with this

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01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 10: team though, a team that won eighty that went eighty

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Speaker 10: three and seventy nine, Maybe that's eighty seven and seventy four.

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Speaker 10: Now that's a big difference. That's it's four games that

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Speaker 10: could you a division.

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Speaker 3: It could put you in the postseason and put you

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Speaker 3: in the postseason with ease, where now you go into

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Speaker 3: the postseason with a little bit more of a chance

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Speaker 3: because you didn't have to burn a guy you wanted

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Speaker 3: to use in the postseason in game number one sixty

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Speaker 3: one or one sixty two. Like I watched that team

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01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 3: all season long, you did as well, and thought, for

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Speaker 3: all the good things they had going for it, they're

1330
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 3: better players they had, could use more protection, and they

1331
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 3: could use a guy who's a certified long ball threat.

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01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 3: And maybe that player's out there. Maybe it is and

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01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 3: and and if it is and Nick Crawl acquires them,

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01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 3: then we'll call them the smartest person in the room.

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Speaker 3: But this, to me was so obvious. Here's a guy

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01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 3: who hits a lot of home runs. You need home runs.

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01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 3: This is you know you're right. If the Reds have

1338
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 3: acquired players in the past where it's like, who cares

1339
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 3: this team stinks, He's not gonna help. Schwarber would be

1340
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 3: that if this team was bad, they're not bad. How

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01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 3: do they go from decent to really good? Kyle Schwarber

1342
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 3: could have helped that cause dramatically. Sam, we could hear

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01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 3: the frustration in each other's voice. I appreciate the call man.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Bob.

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01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 3: All right, we'll spend a few minutes on this. Coming

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Speaker 3: up after the top of the hour. We're at Oakley

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Speaker 3: Greens in Oakley on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 3: broadcasting today from Oakley Greens, which is the place to

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Speaker 3: be for all your holiday happy hours, the place to

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Speaker 3: favorite college basketball team, the place to be to see

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Speaker 3: us in just a few minutes. But we have folks waiting,

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Speaker 3: and so we'll try to get to as many. We

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Speaker 3: don't have a ton of time, so I'll try to

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Speaker 3: get to as many as we can. Starting with Aaron. Aaron,

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Speaker 3: you're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Good afternoon, Aaron. How are you?

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Speaker 6: I'm doing well though, how are you awesome?

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 8: So?

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Speaker 11: I got a couple of things. Uh, the previous car

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01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 11: I was talking about how since he has nothing to

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Speaker 11: be like hopeful about, I don't know, Like I'm totally

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Speaker 11: with you on I don't one an average defense. I

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01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 11: won a championship defense. But when I saw on Sunday

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Speaker 11: against the Buffalo Bills, the Bengals looked damn good. Like now,

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01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 11: the defense couldn't get that, the defense couldn't stop a

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Speaker 11: sentence with a.

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Speaker 2: Period, but.

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Speaker 12: When it mattered at least.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 11: But but overall, I thought the Bengals played pretty well.

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Speaker 11: On another thing, with the kylesch forward thing, Listen, I

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01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 11: don't know if I fooled myself again, Like there's no

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Speaker 11: chance he was coming.

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Speaker 13: Here right like.

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Speaker 3: It does not feel like the pursuit was serious, and

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Speaker 3: most believe the pursuit was not going to be serious.

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Speaker 3: So if they weren't gonna be serious, if they weren't

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Speaker 3: going to be serious enough in their pursuit to make

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Speaker 3: the sort of offer that other teams were unlikely to match,

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01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 3: then no, there was no chance he was ever coming here.

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Speaker 11: I also, this is kind of me just being a

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01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 11: Cincinnati fan for the last, you know, thirty years. I'm

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Speaker 11: thirty seven. So like, if Swarber gets that deal, man,

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01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 11: all we hear about is how he's not worth it,

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Speaker 11: just like how when we signed Vado, like all I

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Speaker 11: heard was Vato's not.

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Speaker 13: Worth it, he's not paid the walk, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 11: I don't know that's I think that's just me being pessimistic. Well,

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Speaker 11: I appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: Brother, Okay, Aaron, thank you. I appreciate the phone call.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a little validity to that. I think

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Speaker 3: the problem is that Joey Vado conversation started in earnest

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Speaker 3: when the team got really bad, you know, or a

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Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. Well he's not worth

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Speaker 3: it because the team around him is really I thought

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Speaker 3: Joey Vado for years was one of the best bargains

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Speaker 3: in baseball. I think if Kyle Schwarber was contributing to

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Speaker 3: a winning team, nobody would really pay that much attention

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Speaker 3: to how much money he was making, at least in

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Speaker 3: the short term. Bob. I got about a minute. What's up, Bob,

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Speaker 3: Hey Mo, how you doing?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 3: Wonderful?

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Speaker 4: What's up?

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Speaker 13: Well, I've been struggling. Man. I got to tell you.

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Speaker 13: It's uh been rough down here. I've been, uh been

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Speaker 13: on the nicotine patch now for four months.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've heard.

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01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 13: No, it's not and uh I've never smoked, but I'm

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01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 13: trying to start and uh i uh I just can't

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01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:36,759
Speaker 13: start cold turkey.

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Speaker 3: For some of this, it's like a weird It seems

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01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 3: like a weird time in your life to take up

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01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 3: cigarette smoking, Bob. Most people, when they start that habit,

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Speaker 3: it usually begins pretty early.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Well, you know, I figured at this age, I mean,

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Speaker 13: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna come down with lung

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Speaker 13: cancer or anything like that. And I'm sixty nine years old.

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Speaker 13: I mean, my goodness.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know the fact though that it might not

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01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 3: give you lung cancer. It doesn't mean that the cigarette

1447
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Speaker 3: smoking would be good for you.

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Speaker 4: No, I guess.

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01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 13: But hey, I did pay take part in one thing

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01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 13: yesterday that was good. At least, going in, I thought

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Speaker 13: it was going.

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01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 2: To be good.

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Speaker 13: Nashville had a walk for Alzheimer's and this was the

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01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 13: goofiest thing I ever saw, because what they have you

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01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 13: do is wander around the city like you don't know

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Speaker 13: where you are and stuff it. I got some sponsors

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Speaker 13: and stuff.

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01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 3: I understand. Yeah, so understand, right, But did you at all?

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Speaker 3: Did you participate? Oh?

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, yeah. And I don't know where I wound up.

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Speaker 13: I uh, you know, I talked to a doctor a

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Speaker 13: while back and he told me I needed to run

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Speaker 13: five miles a day. And I called him at the

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Speaker 13: end of the week and I said, hey, man, I'm

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Speaker 13: thirty five miles from home. I don't know how to

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Speaker 13: get back, you know.

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Speaker 3: So, but pop coming to the table with Alzheimer there's

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Speaker 3: always funny Alzheimer's jokes.

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Speaker 13: Well, you know, you have to laugh at it because otherwise,

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Speaker 13: you know, I mean, it's a I I I hate

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Speaker 13: to deceive myself. I mean, I I hope that I

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Speaker 13: never come down with it unfortunately are Unfortunately I've never

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Speaker 13: known anyone that did have it, but uh no, it's

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Speaker 13: it's tragic, and I'm I'm trying to make a little

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01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 13: light of it, but no, it's a it's a it's

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Speaker 13: probably the worst thing that's ever been out there for

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Speaker 13: for older folks.

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Speaker 3: So I would offend, I would I would agree, I

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Speaker 3: would agree with your assessment. It's always a pleasure to

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01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,560
Speaker 3: hear from you. But but we we have to move on.

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01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 3: Good luck with picking up the new habit. Okay, well,

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01:16:54,080 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 3: thanks a lot man, You're welcome, Tara. How we on time?

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01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 3: Do we have time for one more? Do we dare

1484
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 3: take one more? Do we think this is a good idea?

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Speaker 4: Do you want to risk it? It's a risk if

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Speaker 4: we do.

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Speaker 3: All right, Jeff, we got like a minute here, Jeff

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Speaker 3: go ahead, You're on, Jeff gone, Jeff is gone. Mike

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Speaker 3: is a is really good at a lot of things.

1490
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Speaker 3: Brevity is not one of them. Do you think Mike

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01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 3: has like forty five seconds in them? Or do we

1492
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 3: risk the mean email we get when we don't take

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Speaker 3: his phone call.

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Speaker 4: Let's see if I can do it in a forty

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Speaker 4: five seconds?

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Speaker 3: Mike, I got like forty five seconds here. Can you

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Speaker 3: avoid making any jokes at the expense of people who

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Speaker 3: are living with Alzheimer's Please?

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Speaker 13: No, you just wasted fifteen seconds trying to decide. Never mind, Okay,

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Speaker 13: h Herbert gutsy performance last night, very gutsy with there

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01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 13: in crap chin on his arm, very gutsy. Yes, big admiration,

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01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 13: Edwin Diaz goes are the Dodgers. That's what we needed.

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01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 13: We got a big time closure now, and I'm real

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Speaker 13: happy Forber. Look you're gonna come here. Probably not. He

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01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 13: wants to get a ring, and he's got a much

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Speaker 13: better shot at getting a ring in Philly than he

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Speaker 13: does in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: And uh, let's well, I don't, I don't. I don't

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Speaker 3: know that that last I don't think that that last point,

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Speaker 3: that last point is invalid at all, Mike. I think

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Speaker 3: if you're Kyleis Forber, who has a ring because of

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Speaker 3: his time with the Cubs, Yeah, I'm gonna get paid

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Speaker 3: a lot of money. Phillies could pay them more. I think,

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Speaker 3: objectively speaking, I can understand why he would look at

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati and Philadelphia and conclude that the Phillies represent a

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Speaker 3: better chance.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and he might really like Philadelphia.

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Speaker 6: You never know.

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Speaker 13: Sometimes people don't want to come home.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 13: It's not like Darren Love with the home barrier. That's

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Speaker 13: not always the case. And the latest I heard was

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Speaker 13: now the Bengals Dolphins game has been flexed till four

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Speaker 13: am so that people can watch the game and go

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Speaker 13: to church.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well I hadn't. I didn't know that, but

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Speaker 3: we'll add. Just start programming schedule accordingly. Mike, Thank you

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Speaker 3: as as always.

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Speaker 13: Thank you, Mom, You're a good holman.

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Speaker 3: Kyle Schwarber may not want to go home, but I

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Speaker 2: No, I'm doing well.

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Speaker 14: You know it's rewatching the game and you know we've

1557
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 14: never talked about it. I personally am out on snow games.

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01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 14: I know the people of Ohio may not love to

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01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 14: hear that, but no, I feel like, you know, it

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Speaker 14: blurs the film. It makes a little bit harder on replay.

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Speaker 14: We have white jerseys now where we're not able to

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Speaker 14: see guys the same lit Why was it not thinking

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Speaker 14: of me when they were thinking about having these domes?

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Speaker 3: Interesting? I think you're the first person to say that

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01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 3: I've heard say they're out on snow games. Interesting take side,

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Speaker 3: and that's okay. We'll consider it. We'll see what you're

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01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 3: trying to happen. We'll have a nice clear weather for

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Speaker 3: you on Sunday, even if it will be frigid. When

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Speaker 3: you when you watch other NFL teams and it's a

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01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 3: third and fifteen and the game is hanging in the

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01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 3: balance and the other team has a quarterback who can

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01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 3: make a play with his legs, do those teams typically

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01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 3: deploy a defense involving a spy?

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Speaker 14: You know, I would actually say that the amount of

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Speaker 14: teams that are dedicating a full defender to being a spy,

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01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 14: that's probably a little bit lower than you actually think,

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01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 14: just because you're fully taking a defender out of coverage. Now,

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Speaker 14: I will say the way to kind of build in

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01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 14: a spy a little bit within your defenses. You're playing

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01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 14: that zone defense where you get eyes on the quarterback,

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01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 14: so you know you're passing rausos as the quarterback escapes. Hey,

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01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,560
Speaker 14: I have a linebacker right there, So I think you

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01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,640
Speaker 14: do have to do something to kind of stir the

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01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,560
Speaker 14: pocket a little bit, which the Bengals did try on

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01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 14: that play, you're getting a little bit of a stunt

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01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,639
Speaker 14: kind of on that right side. So I do want

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01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 14: to say across the league, it's less than you think.

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01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 14: Now what I again, Josh Allen probably right, Like you

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01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 14: do have to challenge those receivers, make them play one

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01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 14: on one where I think for a lot of the

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01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 14: day the Bengals actually work kind of comfortable in coverage.

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Speaker 14: So the real way for the Bills to beat you

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01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,480
Speaker 14: there is going to be with a quarterback run unfortunately.

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Speaker 13: So yeah, I think that.

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Speaker 14: When I look at it, it's so easy to say, Okay,

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01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 14: you should have had a spy in candidly, yes, Like

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01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 14: I think that a lot of teams now will have

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01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 14: like three people rush and then one linebacker kind of

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01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 14: close to the line, so it kind of feels like

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01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 14: a four man rush, but really that second guy is

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01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 14: just sort of.

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Speaker 10: There to help in case the quarterback wrong.

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01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 13: Real well, bummer of a play to go through.

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow was awesome until he wasn't in the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 3: And you and I have talked about this. The Bengals

1606
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 3: unfortunately aren't built for him to be human. They need

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01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 3: him to be superhuman, and he was human in the

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01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 3: fourth quarter, but for those three plus quarters where he

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01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 3: was awesome Schematically, what did you like about what the

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01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 3: Bengals did to the Bills.

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Speaker 14: I mean, he was fantastic on all of his deep throws,

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01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 14: like really really, I mean I think he missed it

1613
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 14: thro up here and there, but overall, just every single

1614
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 14: deep path that you're able to be really really competitive

1615
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,640
Speaker 14: where across the league you're just not able to do

1616
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 14: that all the time with every team, like every single

1617
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 14: chance to really challenge receivers. I do think Christian Benford

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01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 14: obviously had the pick six, but he probably feels decent

1619
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 14: about what he did to Jamar Chase on the whole

1620
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 14: entire day. Chase obviously didn't explode, but you know Kee

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01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 14: Higgins across the middle, see Higgins on the outside, just

1622
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 14: over and over wore Bros able to you know, extend

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01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 14: the play a void pressure offensive line. We talked about

1624
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:38,719
Speaker 14: it a little bit last week, said, oh, they're looking decent.

1625
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 14: You're able to get a bunch of time for him there.

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01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 14: So it very much feels like still an offense where hey,

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01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 14: this is the players make play type offense and I

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01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 14: can draw this on a chalkboard, but Whene Higgins is

1629
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 14: standing over you, you're probably not gonna be able to

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01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 14: stop him. So it was really really fun to watch.

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01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 14: And then you would fortunately get those end of the

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01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 14: game situations in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, the end of game situation in the

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01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 3: fourth quarter. Unfortunately, are you when you watch DJ Turner

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01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 3: in relation to and this is more of just a

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01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 3: personnel thing than it is anything you know that's that's

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01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 3: necessarily sche matter. But when you watch DJ Turner compared

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01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 3: to other CB ones in the NFL, how does he compare?

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Speaker 14: So I think he might be on the kind of

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01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 14: bottom end of that list, maybe at the top of

1641
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 14: the CB two lift absolutely a player that I want

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01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 14: on my defense. I like the way that he plays.

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01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 14: I forget if he had the passing difference in this

1644
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:32,600
Speaker 14: one or the last game. But you also see that

1645
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 14: play where you're kind of undercutting that inbreaking route. It's

1646
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 14: really close to becoming an interception. This is a player

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01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 14: that I think you want to have in your defense.

1648
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 14: You should feel good about this. It's not the same

1649
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 14: as saying, Okay, this is the defensive player that you're

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01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 14: a candidate, But I mean, how many teams actually have that?

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Speaker 10: I just really have enjoyed watching him through the.

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01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 14: Whole year because look, come out candidly. You know, I

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01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:54,639
Speaker 14: didn't really know what time about DJ Turner coming into

1654
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 14: this season, but now I get to see him every

1655
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 14: single week. You can feel comfortable with him.

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01:24:58,520 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 4: On the outside.

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Speaker 14: In this game, the Bengals played a ton of that

1658
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 14: single high defense that can have you know, more players underneath.

1659
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 14: It puts a little bit more on the place of

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01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 14: those outside guys. And part of that is because you

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01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 14: can do that when you have a guy like DJ Turner,

1662
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 14: who you know, I guess I have comfortable call and

1663
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 14: I'm kind of a CV one in this league.

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01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, he's he's played to that level. There's there's

1665
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 3: there's no question about it.

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01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 13: Uh.

1667
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 3: Are the Baltimore Ravens broken?

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01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 13: You know?

1669
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 14: It sure feels like it. No, I will say when

1670
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 14: I was I know that bengalsman's distraught after watching the

1671
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 14: Bengals games.

1672
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 13: When I was watching the Ravens.

1673
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 10: Game, it's like, really like, where's the eregency here?

1674
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 14: Yes, you can look at like a place here and

1675
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 14: there where if the rest can ends up falling out

1676
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 14: of your favor, But it really just felt like, you know,

1677
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 14: like this is your season that is on the line,

1678
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 14: Like you have to be pushing. I think in a

1679
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 14: little bit of a different way. So I don't think

1680
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 14: it's that simple a thing. Oh, Lamar Jackson will get healthy,

1681
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 14: they can flip a switch. I think you can really

1682
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 14: attack these guys on the outside. In the past game,

1683
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 14: Aaron Rodgers was just like out of nowhere, started just chucking.

1684
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 2: Up those old deep balls.

1685
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Speaker 10: I mean, we have a rosy touchdown from.

1686
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 14: Aaron Rodgers where Pittsburgh is really able to kind of

1687
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,879
Speaker 14: create a bunch of problems for them. So I absolutely

1688
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 14: feel like it should be a competitive game because we've

1689
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 14: won thought, you know against the Steelers where it feels

1690
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 14: like the if the Ravens are the team that ends up,

1691
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:17,600
Speaker 14: you know, finding a way deep in the playoffs, I

1692
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 14: think at this point I would just be really surprised.

1693
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. Should be interesting. On Sunday, Subscribe

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Speaker 3: a college basketball game. Sean but we love talking to

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Speaker 6: Kentucky on the Run. Welcome through Kentucky Basketball. Tell me

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Speaker 6: who's in now on the UK or up.

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Speaker 15: This that Jack Perford shimerlet countdown to tip on the

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Speaker 15: blue fans, come on.

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Speaker 6: Your's your host, dam Baker.

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Speaker 16: Welcome back into the Champions Club adjacent to Upperna here

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Speaker 16: in downtown Lexington. Cats return to action tonight and put

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Speaker 16: the foot on the gas in terms of turning things

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Speaker 16: around as they take on you in C Central, Hi,

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Speaker 16: Get everybody. I am Dave Baker alongside Andrew Cappus, Cameron Mills. Wow,

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Speaker 16: if you're in our business, you have lost track of

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Speaker 16: the number of times that people have come up and

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Speaker 16: said since Friday night, what the heck is going on?

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Speaker 16: So you know you can ask about that stuff and

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Speaker 16: you're welcome to do that with us as well. You

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Speaker 16: can either call the UH Clark's Pump at Chop text

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Speaker 16: line at two three one two three four that's two

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Speaker 16: O three one two three four, or you can message

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Speaker 16: us UH at UK Sports Network on x and we'll

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Speaker 16: answer as much as we can. But the bottom line

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Speaker 16: is they got to get it done. It's a chance

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Speaker 16: to start that roadback and to see what kind of

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Speaker 16: changes Mark Pope has made since Friday. They have UNC

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Speaker 16: Central tonight, and then of course Indiana comes to town

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Speaker 16: on Saturday coming up. Over the next ninety minutes, we

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Speaker 16: will of course preview the matchup. We will hear from

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Speaker 16: UK head coach Mark Pope, We'll talk to the guys

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Speaker 16: who will bring you the action, the Voice of the Cats,

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Speaker 16: Tom Leech, and a Wildcat Hall of Famer Jack Goose Gibbons.

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Speaker 16: Andrew's gonna have scores for us UH from around the

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Speaker 16: COUNTRYTS and around the country.

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Speaker 6: Then we're gonna talk a little.

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Speaker 16: We'll talk about that and much more as we continue

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Speaker 16: on the Countdown to tip Off show presented by Jack

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Speaker 16: Burford Chevrolet here on the UK Sports Netflix.

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Speaker 4: Let's go cast this.

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Speaker 15: This is the check Perford Chevrolet Countdown to Tipoff on

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Speaker 15: the UK Sports Network.

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Speaker 6: You fans, share a lot of Kentucky basketball. Is brought

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Speaker 6: to you by the.

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Speaker 15: Coca Cola Kentucky Farm, your own the Kentucky Lottery and

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Speaker 15: buy UK Healthcare.

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Speaker 6: Why no, but three all, let's know about that Arts

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