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Speaker 2: It is. We love our sports, and we love our

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Speaker 1: Before we talk about MESSI and FC, there was a

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Speaker 2: What I would say, Bill is, you know, when I

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Speaker 2: So I think they showed good foresight to say, listen,

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Speaker 1: So you and Carl Linder control that large part of

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Speaker 2: To be fair, We're sure we would because you got

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Speaker 2: that's winning. Then there will be a process side where

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Speaker 2: But that's premature. We shouldn't be debating the site right now.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's like Masters of the Universe. On one hand,

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Speaker 2: To see for the next six months, we come up

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, Bill, I know you know this.

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Speaker 2: I'm a Cincinnati guy. I want to see a new arena.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the short is is that this three

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Speaker 1: That's going to be years away, years away.

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Speaker 2: Probably at least twenty four months. Twenty four months is

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Speaker 2: What can I tell you, Bill, Sorry real quick, but

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Speaker 2: You know it is, But I'm not much of a

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Speaker 2: is people see that this has been a tremendous shot

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Speaker 1: In the West End. Community Council is for it. Talk

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Speaker 1: to me about Messy one hundred, talk about that because

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Speaker 1: this argument because you when someone has to lose, that's

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Speaker 2: No. Look, I went door to door in the West

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Speaker 2: We did our the first ever community benefits agreement because

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Speaker 2: to be fair, change had never been good for residents

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Speaker 2: disinvestment in decline. I've said this, you know, I was

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Speaker 2: And so you know, we've delivered. We've and in return.

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Speaker 2: We've earned their trust and we're good neighbors and they're

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Speaker 2: good neighbors to us, and it's been a great thing.

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Speaker 2: Our mixed use development, which was approved by the City

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Speaker 2: the same by City Council unanimously. I mean, that's pretty

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Speaker 1: Two winners, not a loser, and a winter. Lastly, about Messy.

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Speaker 1: If somebody could have told you five or six years

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Speaker 1: not have believed it. It was impossible. He'd be like you

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Speaker 1: signing Ronaldo, which is still down the road, I hope.

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Speaker 1: Talk about the historical aspects of the greatest of all

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Speaker 1: time coming to the West End to play soccer against

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Speaker 2: Talk about that, well, The thing I would say is

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Speaker 2: in the world. It's not in our country, of course,

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Speaker 2: football is in the history of baseball, but it is

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Speaker 2: and this weekend, the biggest soccer game on the planet

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Speaker 2: is in Cincinnati at Tiquo Stadium, because the whole world

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Speaker 2: is watching to see if Cincinnati sends Messi and Miami home.

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Speaker 2: And you know, there's two legends of Barcelona, Sergio Busquettes

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Speaker 2: last couple of years at Miami. They announced the retirement

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Speaker 2: at the end of the regular season, so this could

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Speaker 2: be their last game. And you know, we have fared

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Speaker 2: very well against Miami. We didn't lose to them this year.

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Speaker 2: We have it in our two games. We didn't even

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Speaker 2: to be a great environment. We still have a few tickets,

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Speaker 2: but ultimately it'll be sold out. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: No question, all right, give our best to the Lender family.

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Speaker 1: They're suffering and at this point, your family like that

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Speaker 1: needs compliments and warmth and they need a big thank you.

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Speaker 1: I could not imagine our communities without the Lender families

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Speaker 1: participating and giving so much over these decades. And once again,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Birding, it's a big weekend in sports. It's all

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Speaker 1: going to be five o'clock on Sunday at the end.

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Speaker 1: And may God bless you, and God bless the Lender

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Speaker 1: family and Jeff Birding. Thank you, very thank you, God

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Speaker 1: bless you, thank you. Let's continue with more if a

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Speaker 1: I don't know too many communities anywhere in the world

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Speaker 1: that has this lineup of activities, including the Jonas Brothers.

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Speaker 1: Jonas Brothers. I think they're playing tonight. But to have

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Speaker 1: all this happening coming together is a testament to all

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Speaker 1: not imagine the Old West End not having these developments.

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Speaker 1: The last five or six or seven years. It was

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Speaker 1: right down and the Crapper. And at this point it's

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Speaker 1: win win win every which way. And if you have time,

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Speaker 1: drive through Central Parkway take a look at what's happening

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Speaker 1: adjacent to TQL Stadium. A four hundred million dollar investment

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Speaker 1: the farmers, you have the Jeff birdingsd the TQL saying no,

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Speaker 1: universe will decide what to do. Let's continue with more

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Speaker 1: and so much to do in the tries did over

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Speaker 1: the next few days. I think to an extent, we

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Speaker 1: criticize ourselves so much, but the world has his eyes

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Speaker 1: trained on Cincinnati this weekend, and I'm picking Elder to

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Speaker 1: kick ass tonight, all on news radio seven hundred WLW