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Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, Welcome in final hour of Tony Pike's Monday

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Speaker 2: Midday Quarterback Here on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: My names Austin Elmore.

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Speaker 2: Tony back alongside Moegger about forty minutes from right now

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Speaker 2: for quick hits ahead of the Tony and mo football

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Speaker 2: show that'll come your way this afternoon from three to

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Speaker 2: six at Twin Peaks in Florence. News of the day

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Speaker 2: is that Joe Burrow, according to Zach Taylor, is anticipated

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Speaker 2: to start on Thursday night, Thanksgiving Night in Baltimore for

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Speaker 2: the Bengals. The Bengals now three to eight following a

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Speaker 2: loss twenty six to twenty to the New England Patriots yesterday,

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Speaker 2: a game that certainly was winnable. Cincinnati, when having a

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Speaker 2: ten point lead in the Zach Taylor era prior to yesterday,

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Speaker 2: was thirty six and six. We blew that ten point

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Speaker 2: lead and lost by six to New England to make

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Speaker 2: it thirty six and seven in the Taylor era and

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Speaker 2: three and eight on the season. Now you might be

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Speaker 2: saying too little, too late for Joe Burrow to come back,

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Speaker 2: and I don't necessarily disagree with that. It's nearly impossible

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Speaker 2: for this team to go on a run and to

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Speaker 2: make the playoffs. I get it, and you can make

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Speaker 2: the argument, and I think it's a fair argument when

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Speaker 2: there is a team that needs a lot of holes

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Speaker 2: and they need all the help they can get. When

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Speaker 2: it comes to drafting young players, it's a fair argument

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Speaker 2: to say this season needs to be about next year

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Speaker 2: and the year after that and the year after that,

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Speaker 2: so you should give other players a chance to play,

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Speaker 2: whether it be Jake Browning or Jermaine Burton or Mitchell

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Speaker 2: I get it. I understand that, and I would have

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Speaker 2: a hard time arguing against it. That being said, Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow is the face of the franchise. He's the best player.

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Speaker 2: He's being paid fifty five million dollars. The players on

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Speaker 2: that team respect him. They I think, have a renewed

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Speaker 2: focus and a renewed energy when he's on the field

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Speaker 2: and around. I think that he in and of himself

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Speaker 2: raises the standard for everybody, not just the players that

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Speaker 2: he plays next to, but the coaches all the way

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Speaker 2: on down and all the way on up. I believe

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Speaker 2: that that's the type of impact that Joe Burrow has.

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Speaker 2: And this has been a season that feels like it's

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Speaker 2: from hell. Nothing seems to go right. They can't seem

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Speaker 2: to make the the right plays and the right moments

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Speaker 2: for winning football. They always seem to make the mistake

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Speaker 2: don't go forward on third and one, or you don't

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Speaker 2: go forward on fourth and one, or the punt goes

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Speaker 2: through the back of the end zone, or the fumble happened.

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Speaker 2: It's just nothing has gone right for this team. They

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Speaker 2: crazy when you think about this Patriots game, when you

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Speaker 2: the various issues on the roster, and I think in

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Speaker 2: the coaching staff. And if you're Mike Brown, and you're

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Speaker 2: the ownership group, if you're Katie and Troy and Elizabeth

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Speaker 2: and Caroline and all the members of the family that

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Speaker 2: operate this franchise, you surely have been taking note of

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Speaker 2: what has happened this year and the ways in which

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Speaker 2: things have gone wrong and the reasons for which they

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Speaker 2: not a good enough excuse. Whether or not Burrow is there,

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Speaker 2: many of this stuff was going to happen, especially defensively. Now,

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Speaker 2: The Bengals when it comes to running the football are

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Speaker 2: the best in the National Football League over the last month.

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Speaker 2: That I think is testament to good offensive line play,

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Speaker 2: Chase Brown has been running from shotgun and under center

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Speaker 2: at nearly the exact same split this season as he

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Speaker 2: was a year ago, so that argument is invalid. And

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Speaker 2: I do think, and I heard Charlie say this Friday

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Speaker 2: more wildly overblown topics about the twenty twenty five Bengals.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that there's no merit to it at all.

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Speaker 2: I just think that it's become a crutch in the

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Speaker 2: you go back to that twenty twenty four season and

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Speaker 2: Burrow played out of his mind and Chase played out

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Speaker 2: of his mind, and there was so much good stuff offensively,

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Speaker 2: a fumbled snap. There was Tanner Hudson fumbling going into

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Speaker 2: There were a number of things that just went the

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Speaker 2: missed the playoffs narrowly by one game, and going into

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Speaker 2: the offseason, the conversation by Duke Tobin and those around

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Speaker 2: the team basically said the quiet part out loud, which

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Speaker 2: is that we got unlucky this year and we're not

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Speaker 2: going to get that unlucky again. And because of that,

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Speaker 2: we're not going to make lot of changes. I promise

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Speaker 2: you the only reason Trey Hendrickson is a Bengal this

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Speaker 2: just enough for Burrow to lead the Bengals to the

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Speaker 2: backup quarterback gets exposed for what looks like it was

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Speaker 2: probably a fraudulent twenty twenty three season in which he

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Speaker 2: behind him. You trade for a forty year old guy

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Speaker 2: who's a great dude and has been fun to watch,

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Speaker 2: up some fun numbers. But even he couldn't overcome the

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Speaker 2: deficiencies of your defense. And now he's playing compromise with

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Speaker 2: a bad shoulder and out with a bad finger. You

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Speaker 2: came to realize very quickly this season that last year

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Speaker 2: wasn't just about being unlucky. Last year was about you

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Speaker 2: don't have the talent or the development at those main positions,

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Speaker 2: it defensively, and it's become an issue now. Offensively, I

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Speaker 2: loved the addition of Noah fan I think offensively, you know,

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Speaker 2: without Burrow, obviously it's a little bit different, but some

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Speaker 3: Fixed, have been fixed.

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Speaker 2: The detractor there would be Jermaine Burton is still completely useless.

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Speaker 2: Andre Yoshavash feels like maybe he took a step backwards,

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Speaker 2: but there's the potential development of Mitchell Tinsley. I think

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Speaker 2: off season. I think left tackle is a position that

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Speaker 2: needs to be talked about in the offseason. But your

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Speaker 2: I think you're pleased with what you got, even you know,

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Speaker 2: at even in the absence of Joe Burrow. I'm okay

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Speaker 2: with that. There aren't Joe Burrows that grow on trees,

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Speaker 2: people that thought that Joe Flacco was better than Joe Burrow. Well,

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Speaker 2: more I honest to God, I mean that. But you

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Speaker 2: cannot allow that to be an excuse for inaction in

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Speaker 2: the off season. What you've learned about the team through

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Speaker 2: these first eleven twelve weeks, that's not or should not

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Speaker 2: change from the takeaways you have at the end of

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Speaker 2: the season. Yes there can be turnarounds, Yes there can

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Speaker 2: be development, Yes there can be good Yes there can

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Speaker 2: be change, But let us not forget what we've seen

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Speaker 2: over the last eleven games, and don't let a few

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Speaker 2: more games five or six or four, whatever it might be.

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Speaker 2: I just accidentally threw my pen across the room. Don't

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Speaker 2: let that be a detractor from action in the offseason.

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Speaker 2: You've heard me at all. I've said it extensively. The

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Speaker 2: Bengals have the cap space and the flexibility to improve

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Speaker 2: each year they didn't do enough to improve it because

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Speaker 2: it was almost as if, oh, we're good enough to

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Speaker 2: get to the playoffs. If that's the case, who knows

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Speaker 2: what can happen. If we're good enough to get to

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Speaker 2: the playoffs, something's finally going to go our way. If

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Speaker 2: we're good enough to go to the playoffs, we don't

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Speaker 2: need somebody to put us over the top. And so

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Speaker 2: each year the Bengals would kind of do the same thing.

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Speaker 5: What a miserable football weekend in Cincinnati. We have a

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Speaker 2: Tony Pike's Monday Midday Quarterback ESPN fifteen thirty on Austin

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Speaker 2: You have two options. You vote yes or you vote no.

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Speaker 2: for a couple of phone calls. Let's start with Brian

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Speaker 6: Oh? So, I agree? Like my biggest fear about the

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Speaker 2: I've always kind of taken the stance that you should

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Speaker 7: I can give you a day that was more miserable

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Speaker 7: lost the heartbreaker off every game by one run that series.

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Speaker 7: And then they so then the NBC also had the

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Speaker 7: AFC games football games, so they had the game, they

436
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Speaker 7: had all this cell brace and all this stuff. They

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Speaker 7: switched to the Bengals football game. You had. They're playing

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Speaker 7: the Rams, a big game of time they're showing the

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Speaker 7: video of the game, but they got the audio of

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Speaker 7: the Kansas City Chiefs Oakland Raiders game and the Raiders fans,

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00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 7: they said, the open Raiders, you know, the Oakland fans

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Speaker 7: just found out their team won the World season cheering.

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Speaker 7: You're hearing this while you're watching the Bengals fumbling the

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Speaker 7: opening kick off and he lost the kickoff, and it

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Speaker 7: was a big game. Anyway, you might even known about

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Speaker 7: this game is notorious that the Bengals actually came back

447
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Speaker 7: and Horse Muleman missed like three twenty five thirty yard

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Speaker 7: field goals in a row toward the end of the

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Speaker 7: game when it was tied twelve to twelve, and they

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Speaker 7: wound up losing that game on a field goal. They

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Speaker 7: had a roughing up Passerpelly It said them off like

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Speaker 7: a foty eight yard fieldal. Their ticker made it and

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Speaker 7: the Bengals lost that game. You just imagine how miserable

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Speaker 7: was Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, yeah, definitely some salt in the wound after experiencing that. Dave,

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Speaker 2: thank you for the phone call. I appreciate it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's what Tony was searching for. Some of those those

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Speaker 2: awful Cincinnati Sports weekends. I mean, anytime you lose World Series,

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Speaker 2: that certainly would go into it. I obviously think back

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Speaker 2: to the Bengals losing against the Rams in the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: which was part of my poll question, if the Bengals

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Speaker 2: move on from Zach Taylor, would you consider his tenure

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Speaker 2: a success? Updated results Fifty five percent say yes, forty

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Speaker 2: four percent say no. Now for me, I say yes.

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Speaker 2: He was part of the team that drafted Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: and Jamar Chase and t Higgins, part of the team

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Speaker 2: that signed Trey Hendrickson, won back to back AFC North titles,

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Speaker 2: went to back to back AFC Championship games, won an

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Speaker 2: AFC Championship game, broke the playoff drought well in five

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Speaker 2: playoff games in two years, the Hubbard Yard Dash, and

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Speaker 2: obviously a Super Bowl appearance. All those things I think

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Speaker 2: mean his tenure was a success. And I don't put

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Speaker 2: all of the blame of their failures on him. He

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Speaker 2: deserves it some of it, a chunk of it, not

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Speaker 2: all of it. And I think that's kind of in

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Speaker 2: a nutshell how I feel about Zach Taylor this year.

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Speaker 4: I like Zach.

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Speaker 2: I've said that many times. I think he's a really

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Speaker 2: good offensive coach. I think he's a smart offensive coach,

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Speaker 2: But I don't know that Zach really is the one

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Speaker 2: who moves the needle. I don't know that the Bengals

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00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 2: win games because of Zach Taylor. I think he's done

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Speaker 2: a good job building scheme around players. I think the

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Speaker 2: emergence of Jamar Chase's an example of that. I think

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow to an extent is an example of that.

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Speaker 2: I think the way that they've rebuilt the run game

487
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Speaker 2: multiple times, both in that twenty one season so far

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Speaker 2: this season, I think that's an example of his ability

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Speaker 2: as a head coach and his ability to adjust the offense.

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Speaker 2: I think he's hired some smart people like Dan Pitcher,

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Speaker 2: like Justin Roscotti, like Troy Walters. I think he's also

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Speaker 2: failed in hiring people. By the way, you can add

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Speaker 2: Louis Ruin to that list of good people that he's hired.

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Speaker 2: I think he's also failed in hiring people offensive line

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00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: coaches like Frank Pollack and Jim Turner. Marion Hobby, the

496
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: defensive line coach to an extent, al golden right now,

497
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Speaker 2: maybe not exactly what we expected him to be. There

498
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: have been issues with staffing. There continue to be game

499
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 2: management and clock management issues. Feel and momentum and understanding

500
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: of the moment not great, analytics not great. All of

501
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: these things make me feel like, yes, Zach Taylor is

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Speaker 2: a good coach and there's something about him that works

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Speaker 2: with this particular group of offense. However, it's hard to

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Speaker 2: argue that this whole thing with Zach hasn't run its course.

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Speaker 2: The way that you feel after a game, a game

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Speaker 2: like yesterday, where it's like, damn, if the head coach

507
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Speaker 2: would have been buttoned up, maybe we had a chance

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Speaker 2: to win this game. You should never feel that way

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Speaker 2: about your coach. And I think the point that Mark

510
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Speaker 2: brought up earlier is a good one. Indecisiveness. Maybe I'm

511
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: were fully sure of who he is and what he

512
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Speaker 2: wants and who he wants to be and how he

513
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: wants to do it, and not a good enough consistency

514
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: or feel of that part of his game I think

515
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: has led to the Bengals losing games. I don't know

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Speaker 2: that there's a bunch of times where you point the

517
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Speaker 2: finger and say, yes, he's the reason they won. It's happened,

518
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: but not a lot, and that's a major issue. But

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00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: I think one of the other issues here is if

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Speaker 2: the Bengals decide to move on from Zach Taylor, who

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Speaker 2: do you want to replace him? I have a list,

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Speaker 2: I have three different lists here that I'm really curious

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Speaker 2: to know what you think or if you think any

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Speaker 2: of these guys are an upgrade from Zach Taylor. Clint Kubiak,

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Speaker 2: Chris Shula, Eric b Enemy, Dion Sanders, Mike Zimmer, Matt Eberflus,

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Speaker 2: Cliff Kingsbury, Antonio Pierce, Brian Daball, monkn Arthur Smith, Zach Orr,

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Speaker 2: lou An Arumo. What about Mike McCarthy, Jeff Halfley, John Gruden, Vance,

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Speaker 2: Joseph Doug Peterson, Brian Flores, Joe Brady, Robert Salah, Jesse Mintter,

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Speaker 2: Dan Pitcher, Ajiro Evero, Sean McDermott, Mike McDaniel, Kevin Stefanski,

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Speaker 2: Brian Callahan, Pete Carroll, Raheem Morris, Jonathan Gannon, Brian Kelly, Chip, Kelly,

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Speaker 2: Shane Bowen, Lane Kiffen. That's every possible available coach or

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Speaker 2: potentially available coach that I could come up with. In

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Speaker 2: that list, I think there's maybe five guys that I

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Speaker 2: would be mildly interested in. And I do think that

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Speaker 2: the idea of the ex experience, having worked with Duke Tobin,

536
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 2: having worked with the Brown family, that counts for something.

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Speaker 2: And I think that is part of the reason why

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Speaker 2: they might want to hang on, or he might want

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00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: to hang on, or why it ends up where those

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00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: two sides stay together, because I don't think there's a

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Speaker 2: name on this list that really jumps out at you,

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00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: is like, yes, you have to have it. If Kevin

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Speaker 2: O'Connell was out there, maybe i'd feel differently. If Sean

544
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: McVeigh was out there, maybe i'd feel differently. Or Andy Reid,

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00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: i'd feel differently. But I don't know that that name

546
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: exists on this list. I don't know that Zach Taylor

547
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: qualifies as one of those names either. I just don't

548
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: know if they're in a good spot altogether. And it

549
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: almost feels like we'll see what happens this year, and

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00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens next year before we make that

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00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: type of decision, right, wrong, different, That's the vibe that

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00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: I get about this Now. If they completely unravel with

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00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and it continues to be this ugly, I

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00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: think maybe there's a chance that that it does happen.

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00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: I just don't know if it will, but I certainly

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00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: can understand it. And I feel like Zach and his

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00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: time here has run its course. I do consider his

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00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: tenure to be a success. But it just feels like

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00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: they they win in spite of him more than they

560
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: win because of him, and he in his hand in

561
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: building the roster and scouting the players and building the

562
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: coaching staff, all that together, you know, I think that

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00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: plays a hand in the shortcomings of this team and

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Speaker 2: how it feels like the only way they win is

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Speaker 2: if they're damn near perfect, and that's no way to

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Speaker 2: survive in the National Football League.

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Speaker 3: Take a break. We'll come back ESPN fifteen thirty at

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Speaker 3: a need fueling.

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Speaker 2: Short segment here because we're gonna go out the Twin

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Speaker 2: Peaks in Florence and talk to Tony Pike and Moe Egger.

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Speaker 2: Tony and Mo Football Show coming up this afternoon. They

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Speaker 2: will have in its entirety the press conference with Bengals

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Speaker 2: head coach Zach Taylor. Zach said earlier today he anticipates

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow to play on Thanksgiving Night in Baltimore. Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 2: posting on his Instagram story earlier today that he's back.

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Speaker 2: The photo famous photo of him when he was in

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Speaker 2: high school with the lebron James Jersey on in the mirror,

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Speaker 2: with the caption saying He's back. You know who else

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Speaker 2: is back today? Jamar Chase back in the Bengals facility

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Speaker 2: off his suspension for spitting on Jalen Ramsey. I thought

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Speaker 2: this note from Dan Hord was in said because Jamar

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Speaker 2: Chase was not allowed in the Bengals facility last week,

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Speaker 2: he worked out privately for several days at the University

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Speaker 2: of Cincinnati's new Shakeley Indoor practice facility. Dan said he

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Speaker 2: asked Chase about it today, said he came away impressed

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Speaker 2: with that facility. So that's cool that the Bengals and

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Speaker 2: Bearcats come together there and they allowed Jamar Chase a

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Speaker 2: place to work out while he was away from the team. Jamar,

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Speaker 2: of course, expected to play a big role in Baltimore

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Speaker 2: on Thursday night. We'll take a break, we'll come back.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to Tony and Mo next. This is ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Cincy three sixty Quick Hits on fifteen thirty was.

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Speaker 4: Looking for Mo.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we found Mo and I think we

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Speaker 2: found Tony. The Tony and Mo Football Show coming up

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Speaker 2: from Twin Peaks in Florence. Hello, fellas, Audie.

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Speaker 4: How are we doing?

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Speaker 1: Hello?

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Speaker 3: You know I'm not doing too bad?

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Speaker 6: Mo.

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Speaker 3: How was your weekend?

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Speaker 4: M Let's see. Got to spend some quality time with

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Speaker 4: my family Saturday morning. That was fun. Yeah, took my

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Speaker 4: daughter out for pancakes.

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Speaker 5: It was a good time.

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Speaker 4: That's about it. The rest of it wasn't awesome.

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Speaker 8: I thought a time at the Grail was fun.

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00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 4: Time at the game with Ken Brew yesterday morning was

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Speaker 4: a blast. That was a good time. Yeah, yeah, I thought.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: I thought we had good broadcast.

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Speaker 2: This weekend up to listen to the entire show that

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Speaker 2: you guys do with Ken. But I was able to

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Speaker 2: listen to the whole thing this week You guys were wonderful.

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Speaker 4: Well, thanks very much.

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Speaker 5: My father in law told my wife that I sounded drunk.

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Speaker 5: I was talking about cheese spread he sounded.

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Speaker 8: Drunk, so we had gift certificates available.

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Speaker 5: We had we had plenty more the next one. But uh,

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Speaker 5: it wasn't a great weekend. But we're gonna have a

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00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 5: lot of fun today here at Twin Peaks in Florence,

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Speaker 5: and I'll pull back the curtain because some folks have

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Speaker 5: asked me, how do you decide which Twin Peaks should

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Speaker 5: go to? And it always revolves around this week. It's

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Speaker 5: kind of like Red's opening Day, like the baseball season

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00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 5: has to start in Cincinnati this week. We always have

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Speaker 5: to be at the Florence location because this week here

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Speaker 5: we're allowed to use the letter M and we can

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Speaker 5: call it the Tony and Mo Football Show, whereas on

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00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 5: the other side of the river, you know, it's that

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00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 5: week where you can't use the letter M, couldn't call

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Speaker 5: the show by its proper name.

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Speaker 4: Smart.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you may have missed the conversation I had with

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00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: Tony earlier, but I heard it. Yeah, I'm kind of

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00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 2: at a point now where it's it's I'm a broken

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00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: the game. Just please God win the game. I don't

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00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: care about anything else but please win the game. But

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Speaker 2: you know, I think a similar type of matchup with

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00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: TCU coming up this weekend, you know.

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Speaker 4: You could feel it.

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Speaker 6: I am.

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Speaker 4: Game Day are big to kickoff?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, both, both for either UC football or u SE basketball.

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Speaker 2: Are there any silver linings to take from those losses

650
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Speaker 2: this weekend?

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Speaker 5: I thought the Bearcats defend basketball, defended really well in

652
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 5: the first half, defended and rebounded like you expect a

653
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 5: UC team too. But Tony and I have talked about this.

654
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 5: At halftime, They're up four, and that just didn't feel

655
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 5: like enough. It felt like with as as much as

656
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 5: I thought they legitimately took a good Louisville team out

657
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 5: of their offense in the first half, you have to

658
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 5: build a ten to twelve, fourteen point cushion, So four

659
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 5: didn't feel enough. And then and frankly, offensively, in the

660
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 5: second half, it felt like much of the same from

661
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Speaker 5: last year. I think if there's a silver lining to

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Speaker 5: take beyond that, it's just that we're in November.

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Speaker 4: The UC game.

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Speaker 5: Tony, you and I talked about this yesterday at Nippert

665
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Speaker 5: Stadium on Saturday. That is the most frustrating loss of

666
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Speaker 5: the last three years, because the mistakes, the missed opportunities,

667
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 5: the just mountain of self inflicted issues they continue to

668
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 5: have in a game that carried some decent stakes with it.

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Speaker 5: They're now one in ten in November since the start

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Speaker 5: of the twenty twenty three season. That to me, there

671
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 5: was no silver lining there whatsoever.

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Speaker 8: Austin also alluded to the fact that under Scott's Saderfield,

673
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 8: when trailing at the half, they're zh to sixteen.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's hard to come back when you trail at

675
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 5: the half, when you continually get outscored in the third quarter.

676
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Speaker 8: Yeah, okay for me, I don't I didn't find much

677
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 8: silver lining. I was frustrated Friday night because I'm walking

678
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 8: out of arena and I had more UC fans tell

679
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 8: me that they were okay and happy with the fact

680
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 8: that we kept it that close, and well, you know

681
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Speaker 8: that's a good Louisville team only lost by you know what.

682
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Speaker 8: And I'm like, have we resorted to the fact that

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00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 8: if we just try hard but we lose them, we're

684
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 8: okay with that. That's what it felt like Friday night

685
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Speaker 8: to me. And I watched the same thing I've watched

686
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 8: for a couple of years now of an offense that

687
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 8: struggled to execute when it needed baskets the most and

688
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 8: then I watched on Saturday night a lot of the

689
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 8: same that we've seen far too much of. If you

690
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 8: look at how the season ended last year with five

691
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 8: straight losses, and you look at now how these three

692
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 8: straight losses have gone, offense has disappeared. Brendan Sorosby's not

693
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 8: playing it nearly as high of a level. They're not

694
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 8: utilizing their best players. They're beating themselves. They are doing

695
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 8: everything that good football teams don't do. I don't know

696
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Speaker 8: how you find the silver lining in those things.

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Speaker 2: What about the Bengals? Any silver lining there? The defense?

698
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: They're tackling better, they're stopping to run better.

699
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 5: They were good in the goal line and Gino Stone

700
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 5: took some great angles on the interception return.

701
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Speaker 4: Gino played a good game.

702
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Speaker 5: Look, man, if you're just gonna rip on a dude NonStop,

703
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 5: then he got to point out when the guy does

704
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 5: the opposite. Gino played a good game yesterday, But no

705
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 5: no silver lining at all. It's it's it's game eleven

706
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 5: and we're clinging to well they tackled well. Like I

707
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 5: did a show preview video and I said, like, I

708
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 5: detect this surge of optimism because Burrow's coming back which

709
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 5: I get it. Joe Burrow is the best as far

710
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 5: as I'm concerned. When a healthy quarterback in the NFL

711
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 5: and the defense played okay yesterday. But I keep coming

712
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 5: back to same scenarios. Fourth quarter, down three, A good

713
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 5: defense gets a three and out or turnover. The Bengals

714
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 5: got neither. Instead, they allowed New England after a good

715
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 5: kickoff return gets the ball to the forty. They allowed

716
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Speaker 5: New England to kick a field goal, and then you're

717
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 5: asking Joe Flacco and his bum finger to go down

718
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 5: the field and make a miracle. So no, no silver lining. Yes,

719
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Speaker 5: they have some units that are playing well. I think

720
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 5: the offensive line is playing okay. I think Joe Flacco's

721
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 5: guts are admirable. I think the fact that he nearly

722
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 5: engineered to come back without two of the best wide

723
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 5: receivers in the sport is not insignificant. Chase Brown's a

724
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 5: good player.

725
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Speaker 4: Who but they're three and eight, Like I mean, you said,

726
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Speaker 4: who They've lost eight out of nine games. They're three

727
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 4: and eight. Well, I'm sorry, yeah, I'm there are no

728
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 4: silver linings when you're three in it.

729
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 8: Who's Chase Brown?

730
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Speaker 4: He is a running back, went to Illinois.

731
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Speaker 8: They struggled yesterday from no pretty low. Yeah, yeah, I

732
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 8: don't there's no silver lining because every loss just seems

733
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 8: to be, well, this was better, but this failed or

734
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 8: situationally in this spot, they weren't good. It's just always something,

735
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 8: and that to me is just a bad football team.

736
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 8: It's always something. Well, the the defense was better. If

737
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 8: we have to like talk ourselves into like different parts

738
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 8: of the game that are better, you're already in a

739
00:41:58,680 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 8: bad spot.

740
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Speaker 3: Hey, but man, the defense tried hard.

741
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 4: It's November, it's a professional football team. It's winning time.

742
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 6: Yeah.

743
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 5: Hey, they they took a step forward to something I

744
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 5: might buy into in September. Yeah, well I might buy

745
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 5: into it if your record is better, not when you're

746
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 5: three and eight.

747
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

748
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 2: I think we did learn though, that Geno Stone is

749
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: just better when deployed as a blitzer than as a safety.

750
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

751
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: Sure, that like actually could be his future. And you know,

752
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: while he's here.

753
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 8: Here, well they could ask him to take a pay cut,

754
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 8: just bring him back and just play him in the box, just.

755
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: Run after the quarterback. By the way, Jalen Davis with

756
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: a sack before Shamar Stewart.

757
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 8: Had that on the Bengo card. Uh, it's you hate

758
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 8: like I mean, I said it earlier, Austen. Here we

759
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 8: are in November twenty fourth, and for six weeks we're

760
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 8: gonna have a conversation about, you know, is it better

761
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 8: to win meaningless football games or is it better to

762
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 8: get draft positioning? And that's what this is going to

763
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 8: turn into. Yeah, you know, Joe burrovers to play verse,

764
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 8: not to play meaningless meaningless wins, but it's winning or

765
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 8: do you want to worry about your draft positioning? But

766
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 8: can they get the draft pick right? It's just I

767
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 8: feel like it's just going to be six weeks of

768
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 8: the same thing, and and I think that's the most frustrating.

769
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Speaker 5: You know, last year, the goal was for the Bengals

770
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 5: to play themselves into the graphic right the in the Hunt,

771
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 5: which which network does sniffing around. They've changed in the

772
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Speaker 5: I believe that's Rich Eisen Show does Rich Eisen does

773
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 5: sniffing around. So the Bengals last night on Sunday Night

774
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 5: Football were not in the in the Hunt column. So

775
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 5: you know, beat Baltimore then then we're going to do

776
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 5: it every Well, let's go to.

777
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: If Austin was doing it today. Yeah, let's be the

778
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: playoff simulator around the path at eight and nine. You

779
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: didn't send, You didn't press in on that message of

780
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: Jennifer Anderson.

781
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Speaker 3: Did you you know?

782
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: I didn't much like Zach Taylor, you're a coward. That's

783
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: fourth and one and you didn't go for it.

784
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 5: Wow, Jennifer Aniston more cowardly approached. Jennifer Aniston has had

785
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 5: like legitimate stalkers in her life, like has had to

786
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 5: go to court and and like testify against people who

787
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 5: have stalked her.

788
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 4: So her guard is probably up.

789
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 5: Some rando's saying hey, want to go to a football

790
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 5: game is not what she Rachel Green doesn't need that now, Blase.

791
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 5: So no, I didn't hit tempted you know, shoot your shot.

792
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 5: Not sure how my wife would feel about it, although

793
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 5: I think my affection for Jennifer Aniston is is established

794
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 5: enough that she would go fine, she wants to go

795
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 5: to a Bankles Ravens game when you go for it.

796
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 5: But no, I I did not hit send because I didn't.

797
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 5: I didn't want to end up on like her Instagram

798
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 5: story going hey, here's what I have to deal with,

799
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 5: and I'm sure like me asking her to go to

800
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 5: a football game is Tippitt the Iceberg kind of stuff

801
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 5: compared to some of the weirdos out there. But I

802
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 5: didn't want to be made an example of, so no

803
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 5: I I refrained and I did not hit send on

804
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 5: the Jennifer Aniston Instagram message.

805
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Speaker 2: Fair enough, Well, I'm sure you'll well, as the kids say,

806
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: send it this afternoon from three to six for the

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Speaker 2: Tony and Mo Football Show. Thanks boys, the Toni and

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Speaker 2: Moe Football Show. Yes, not the Oh, it's Tony Pikes

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Speaker 2: Tony and Mo Football Show. They're to get in trouble

810
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Speaker 2: for that too, all right, see you guys. That's the

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Speaker 2: Tony Mo Football Show coming up next. This has been

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Speaker 2: Tony Pike's Monday Midday Quarterback right here on ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 2: to thirty.

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Speaker 3: This weekend at Genesis Diamonds.

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