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Speaker 1: The BTK killer is interesting because number one, this was

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Speaker 1: when dormant was getting no attention, word around Wichita was

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Speaker 1: that he was dead or incarcerated.

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Speaker 2: He didn't like that, so he resurfaced.

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Speaker 1: The other thing interesting about him is, oh, he was

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Speaker 1: living a double life. He was a married father of

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Speaker 1: two and very involved in the community. The BTK killer

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Speaker 1: the topic for our True Crime Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: The story is true, that's true.

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Speaker 2: No, it sounds made up. I don't know. Barry and

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Speaker 2: Shannon present true crime.

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Speaker 3: So it was early on in my career here in

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Speaker 3: KFI that we announced the arrest of the BTK killer.

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Speaker 3: And if you remember, Eric Leonard currently works for k

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Speaker 3: ANDBC over the Hill there for Channel four, was one

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Speaker 3: of those people who received a letter from this guy.

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Speaker 3: BTK stood for bind torture kill, kind of the signature

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Speaker 3: way that this man would leave the bodies for police

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Speaker 3: to find. Victims varied first a young family and then

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Speaker 3: he transitioned to women of various ages and economic backgrounds.

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Speaker 3: And again he would go between killings for a couple

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Speaker 1: By two thousand and five, when you were new here

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Speaker 1: at KFI myself included. BTK was considered one of the

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Speaker 1: biggest cold cases in the entire state. One of the

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Speaker 1: you back to the late seventies, early eighties and a

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Speaker 2: The way that they do it does it anyway.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that sticks out is that they

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Speaker 1: didn't like to talk about this in Kansas and Wichita.

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Speaker 1: They didn't like to own it. They did not like

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Speaker 1: to talk about it. They didn't want to admit that

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Speaker 1: it was still a cold case. At this person could

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Speaker 1: knock on the door of Carrie Rawson, who had grown

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Speaker 1: the BTK killer and we've just arrested him.

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Speaker 3: So Dennis Raider is her dad's name. He pleads guilty

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Speaker 3: to ten counts first degree murder, incarcerated, serving ten consecutive

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Speaker 1: Now, can you imagine that moment that day You're a

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Speaker 1: newly married twenty five year old or something a similar

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Speaker 1: age as me. I think she's the same age, and

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Speaker 1: she is my father.

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: Now, this is a notorious case that you grew up with.

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Speaker 1: It was in the shadow of your hometown. This is

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Speaker 1: get kind of pissed off unnecessarily so, but doesn't every dad.

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Speaker 2: What my dad? The BTK what?

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Speaker 1: In the documentary, and this is twenty years later, she's

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Speaker 3: And you mentioned that there is sort of a Midwest

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Speaker 1: Well. Her mother is a big part of that. Mom

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Speaker 1: Understand that she had shared the same bed with this man.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all these little things that you're second guessing

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Speaker 1: So he could get away with this? Was this his

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Speaker 3: So she describes his personality and you alluded to it,

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Speaker 3: but we'll talk about what she saw in her father

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Speaker 3: that in the moment never would have really raised any

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Speaker 1: Like my dad would get like this if I if

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Speaker 1: But he wasn't out killing people. I mean, it's not

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Speaker 3: Year well, and my dad, my dad was in northern

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Speaker 3: Zodiac killer.

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Speaker 3: But you know, but he knew people who were questioned

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Speaker 2: Fascinating and it's.

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Speaker 3: I mean just wrapping your head.

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Speaker 1: Well in the documentary gets into that too, like this

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Speaker 1: and like, of course it's just Dennis, right, Like.

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Speaker 2: What we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: This new Netflix documentary called My Father the BTK Killer.

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Speaker 3: It concentrates a lot on Carrie Rassen, who is Dennis

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Speaker 3: Raider's daughter. Dennis Raider, of course, the admitted BTK killer,

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Speaker 3: is doing ten consecutive life sentences in a prison in Kansas.

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Speaker 3: And this discussion of the kind of piecing together what

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Speaker 3: he gave his daughter a station wagon to drive around

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Speaker 3: used it to transport bodies.

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Speaker 1: Imagine the first car you're driving around. How many memories

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's wild.

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Speaker 1: They found his kill bag, you know, a bag with

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Speaker 1: I guess. In his office they had evidence of his kills,

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Speaker 1: it was interesting how he communicated with the press and

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Speaker 1: the police. It was almost like he was lacking patients

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Speaker 1: when they couldn't find him, and he was giving him

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Speaker 1: hints and he was giving him hints about his former

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Speaker 1: crimes that he, I would say, taunted with, but kind

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Speaker 1: of it just seemed like you wanted to be caught, honestly.

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Speaker 1: But one of the crimes involved a woman who was

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Speaker 1: They thought they could save her life, so no photos

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Speaker 2: Whatever. So that crime scene was you.

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Speaker 3: Know, contaminating, trying to save go save her life.

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Speaker 1: However, there were pictures of the crime scene taken by

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Speaker 1: those were sent to the media to kind of say, hey,

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Speaker 3: This is probably the part that would be the hardest.

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Speaker 3: She says she reached out to her dad in prison

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Speaker 3: how he was doing all of this. She says that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I fell asleep last night watching this.

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Speaker 3: Because I like that said calming, yeah, sleep.

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