1 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: All right weekends upon us Welcome. You're at home with 2 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: Gary Salvin. This I was brought to you by Zalar. 3 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: Zalor is the industry gold standard for some pumps and 4 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: battery backup systems to protect your home. Make sure you 5 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: test your some pump systems regularly, make sure you're you 6 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: make sure they're working. Make sure if you have not 7 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: investigated getting a backup pump to investigate that. If you 8 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: want to talk to a plumber, I'm sure they'll be 9 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: well familiar with the Zalor line of pumps. They've got 10 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: the Venturi which works off city water, or you can 11 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: have a battery backup and again it's a great way 12 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: to protect that investment that you have in the basement. 13 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: And so many basements are being used as offices and 14 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: workout rooms and everything else. But check it out zal Or, 15 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: z O E L L E R Pumps dot com. 16 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,279 Speaker 1: As I've been telling you to the course of the morning, 17 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: we would have Andre Lacua on. He is a member 18 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: of the Indoor Air Quality Association, the Building Performance Institute, 19 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: the International Society of Indoor Air Quality, the National Center 20 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: of Health Housing, National Environmental Health Association. This man must 21 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: know what he's doing. The Basement Health Association American Association 22 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: a rate on scientists and technologies, And once again, welcome Andre. 23 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: How are you. 24 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: I'm great, Gary, how are you. 25 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: I'm doing wonderful. I'm doing wonderful. I always kind of 26 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: get a little giggle when I read all your credentials. 27 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: That is spectacular, man, I'm telling you you got a 28 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: lot of initials. 29 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: It's a bit nerdy, but it's okay. 30 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: Hey man, I'll tell you what. I'd be proud of it. 31 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: That's awesome. 32 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, much appreciated. 33 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. We've been talking a little bit about air quality 34 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: even this morning, and I guess one of the things 35 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: if you could just kind of give everybody a synopsis 36 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: of what influences the quality of air in our home. 37 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: I know we trap a lot of air in our 38 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: home now because we're trying to save money on utility bills. 39 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: I get that. I mean, you gotta do that. But 40 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: what makes up crummy air? 41 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, you know the first thing people will say, well, 42 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: it's obvious, it's the temperature in the humanity, right, that 43 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 2: seems to be the most common things people talk about. 44 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: But what I remind people is that we we humans. 45 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: We are the biggest contributors and what we do every day, right, 46 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 2: whether it be how we cook, how we cough and breathe, 47 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 2: or how we enter and exit the house and things 48 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: like that. You know, then you have obviously there's things 49 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: like animals. But then you also there's the unseen things. Now, 50 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: most indoor equality is unseen. But when I say unseen, 51 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: I mean like, what is your house made out of? 52 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: What kind of insulation? Right? Is the insulation. I don't 53 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 2: want to get two in the weeds, but is the 54 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: insulation has it gotten wet? It's now that insulation is 55 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: starting to break down a little bit in that off gases. 56 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: You know. The type of construction, the type of carpeting, 57 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: the type of furniture you have in the home, all 58 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff kind of creates this indoor air 59 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 2: quality or what we'll call the IQ cocktail that is 60 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: in the home. 61 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: Does it? Is there a point of I mean there's buildings. 62 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: I've heard the term sick building syndrome. Is that just 63 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: when it becomes unbearable. 64 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: You know, So there's a good question. There's sick home 65 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 2: syndrome for residents, and then there's a sick building syndrome. 66 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: And what that is is there's an actual percentage of people. Right, 67 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 2: so if a certain percentage of people, a twenty percent 68 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: of the people experience adverse health effects while being inside 69 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: the building, but by vacating the building start to feel better. 70 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: That's how they quantify, if you will, or even qualify, right, 71 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: sick building syndrome. But it really is a thing, right, 72 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: It's the environment that you're in that's making you unhealthy, 73 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 2: whether you'd be your nose get stuffy and you're having 74 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: a hard time breathing, but you know, when you get outside, 75 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: you feel a lot better. It's common in you know, 76 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: it's not only common in buildings, but it's obviously common 77 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 2: in homes too, with the sick home syndrome, right, because 78 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: in sick buildings or excuse me, in buildings, you have 79 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 2: commercial ventilation rates and you have commercial ah AC systems 80 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 2: that have to maintain those ventilation rates. At home, we 81 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 2: don't have that. We just have these homes that that 82 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: you know, the air gets stagnant. So you see it 83 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: in both commercial side and you see it in the 84 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 2: home side as well. 85 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people may know if they 86 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: have bad air quality because not in all cases, like chemicals, 87 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: I think you can smell some of them, Humidity, you 88 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: can kind of feel and smell, molds and mildew, and 89 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: bacteria and fungi sometimes you can smell. But I when 90 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 1: I say all that, I think I'm describing a basement. 91 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: Or does it continue to build up from the basement? 92 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, you're you're you're going down the exact path, right. 93 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: So the things that you describe are they originate in 94 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: the basement, right. And then you add on to the 95 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: fact that the basement is considered by the homeowner to 96 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 2: be a non levable space, so we don't treat it 97 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: the same way. We typically don't condition it with heating 98 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 2: or cooling events things like that. We may throw a 99 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: dehumidifier down there, but the fact that we heat our 100 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: space in our living space, right, And the concept of 101 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: the stack effect of warm air rising. I tell people 102 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: all the time that it's just like the way you 103 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 2: start a fire in your fireplace. You don't have a 104 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: blower underneath that blows the air up and out. It 105 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: just naturally wants to go up. That's the fireplace is 106 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 2: a good metaphor for your house. Warm air rises, So 107 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 2: that stuff that you mentioned starts in the basement, and 108 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: as the warm air that's in your living space rises 109 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 2: to the second floor, rises to the attic, that basement 110 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: air gets dragged up. So now you have everything that 111 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 2: you just said down there, the humidity maybe and the 112 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: smelliness of what is a subterranean an underground environment now 113 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: coming up and mixing with the things we talked about 114 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 2: when we first came on, right, stuff of that stat 115 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: that makes up into air. 116 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: Quoting Well, the really interesting thing, and you know this 117 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: as well as I do. I mean, is the basement 118 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: for a lot of us is a very livable space, 119 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: correct gyms, and we're putting you know, theater rooms, uh 120 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: you know like workout centers, offices, we're using those now. 121 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: And is this polluted air that's in our house? Is it? 122 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: Is it heavy? Is that why it starts in the 123 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: basement or why is it all accumulating the basement Because 124 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: it's underground, I guess, but. 125 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and because it's not moved like there's not 126 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: While we create a gym like you just said, and 127 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: we create a home office, typically that space is not 128 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: utilized as much as a living space. There's also less 129 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: air movement because we're not coming and going from there. 130 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: People don't recognize the value of just coming and going 131 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: through your house. So you're in Cincinnati and I'm up 132 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: in Cleveland, and obviously our windows and doors are closed, 133 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: but we're going to come and go out of our 134 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: house multiple times a day. Think about how much time 135 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: you kind of I'm going to use the word flush, 136 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: it's not really flush, but think about how much time 137 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: you flush in fresh air when you open that door, right. 138 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: That doesn't happen in the basement, you know, and also 139 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: in the basement, you know, you have about seventy percent 140 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: of the year that comes that's in your space, that 141 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: is comes up. It originates down in the basement of 142 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: the cross space, right, So that I thought about, right, Yeah, 143 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: so everything you just said to subterrane environment moisture comes 144 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: in through the walls, right, and that's untreated. You know, 145 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: your HVAC system accounts for and is sized for your 146 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 2: house depending on if it's done the right way. And 147 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: you know this because you have people on you know 148 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: when you when your system is sized for your house, 149 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: it accounts for operable windows, open and closing of doors. 150 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: A lot of people live there, right, So the movement 151 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: of air that comes in goes in that space that 152 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: doesn't happen in the basement. 153 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: So it was interesting. Did theay when I was talking 154 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: to Ron Wilson does the Gardening show before me, he 155 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: was saying, I was reading new trends for twenty six 156 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: He goes, there's this vent, so you got to help 157 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: me o this. And he goes, there's this vent and 158 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: you know it helps with your your air inside your home. 159 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: I go, well, hold on, event it sounds like a 160 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: great idea. I mean, I can open a window, correct, 161 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: but it's really not ventilating my house unless I mean 162 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: it's it's static air, right, I mean, it's not moving anywhere. 163 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 2: We refer to that in the in the industry is 164 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: called natural ventilation. That's the best way to describe it, right, 165 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: or passive. 166 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: Right. 167 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: And And while that's better than nothing. And we're having 168 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 2: a little bit of a heat wave up here in 169 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: Cleveland in January, February, and even in December, that's not 170 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: going to be something that's very reliable, especial like it's 171 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 2: not going to be reliable for people that live in 172 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: the South in July and August, right, and and you 173 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: know what, that's not doing is moving the air in 174 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: the basement, right, It's not, it's not. So it's still 175 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: leaving to you back to your point what you said 176 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 2: about all that air in the basement, what I mentioned 177 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: about that seventy percent that's still down there, that's coming up, right. 178 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: So ventilation is key of a event, is different than 179 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: ventilation obviously. So then you have natural ventilation, which is 180 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 2: just passive opening, closing of doors or event. And then 181 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: you have mechanical right, and and your HVAC system is 182 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: part of a mechanical ventilation system, but it's not truly, 183 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 2: it's not a fresh air mechanical ventilation system. It does 184 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 2: the newer systems, you bring in some fresh air, but 185 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: it's not an air exchange, you know. 186 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, boy, you know it just sounds like it's too sensible. 187 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 1: Like if I'm living in Louisiana with the ninety percent 188 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: humidity almost all the time, I don't really want to 189 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: open my window. 190 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: No, no, And you can imagine that. That's why these 191 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: building codes in the South are starting to change. So 192 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: these what we see in crawl spaces. Let's I know, 193 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 2: not many people have cross spaces, but just to give 194 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: an example, these these passive events which we just see 195 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 2: crass space events that just right way back when we're 196 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: the idea of not keeping the cross space stagnant. Well, 197 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: the South is starting to change those building codes and 198 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 2: say we can't just replace cross space air with ninety 199 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: seven percent humidity outside air. You know, we need to 200 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: steal them up and do it the right way. Yeah, 201 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: whether it be there or even up here. We don't 202 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: want to be opening in cincinnatical Leland. We don't want 203 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: to be opening windows when it's a degrees out, you know, 204 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 2: just to get fresh air. 205 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: All this not only affects our house, it's got to 206 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: affect our health. And I want to continue talking about that. 207 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: Andre laquix, he is my guest, he is an air 208 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: quality expert. We'll take a quick break and then we'll 209 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: chat some more. Andre, And thank you so much for 210 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: joining us today. I appreciate it is we continue. 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And if, by the way, 253 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: if you have a concern in your home and you 254 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: would like to talk to Andre, I'll give you the 255 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: phone number and we will try and work your calls 256 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: into It's eight hundred eight two three A two five 257 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: five under eight. When we're talking about all this soup 258 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: in our homes not good soup, how does that affect 259 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: our homes? We use the phrase sick building. The building 260 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: is not going to get sick, but I guess we 261 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: can get sick if the conditions get bad enough. 262 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: We can. And you mentioned earlier the idea behind mold, 263 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 2: right and humidity. So not only does it affect the 264 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: occupants or us you know again, you know there's we 265 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: use the word occupants basically we don't want it to 266 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: affect us, but it does. But what also is going 267 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: to happen is there is some deterioration of the physical 268 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: home that can come in the form of mold that 269 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: breaks down, wood that breaks down any sort of construction 270 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 2: materials you used. So it's water being obviously the big one, 271 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: but the other stuff really kind of affects. I mean 272 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: as the humans. Right. The number of people that I 273 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: had talked to that recognize once they just sit down 274 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: and kind of track their day and they realize, Wow, 275 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: when I leave my house and I'm driving to work, 276 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 2: that's when my nose starts to clear out. I thought 277 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: I was just groggy in the morning, right, but and 278 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: I thought I just kind of needed to wake up. 279 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: And but then when I came home and by the 280 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: time we had dinner, I was stuffy again. So so 281 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: it affects and it affects little kids obviously, and we 282 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: can get into, you know, you can get into really 283 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: you know, details about how it affects little kids more 284 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: because they're crawling around, especially young babies, they're calling around 285 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: the carpet floors, right. Carpet floors are just harbors all 286 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: kinds of stuff. So so at the risk of not 287 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: you know, putting you and your and your listeners asleep, 288 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: I don't want to do d but but I'm happy 289 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: to talk to anybody about that because it really affects 290 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: us in different ways. It's not just oh, I I'm sniffly, right, 291 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: that's the most obvious, and that's that's what we can 292 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 2: all relate to. But there's other things where people have 293 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: to go get blood tests one because they just can't 294 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: get they can't get healthy, you know, and it's all 295 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: because of what's going on in their homes. It's really sad. 296 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: It is do and this is my experience. I don't 297 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:20,479 Speaker 1: know if it's documented proof, but it seems like it 298 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: affects some people more violently than others, and some people 299 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: it hardly affects it all, or they don't feel like 300 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: it's affected them. 301 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: Well, and you know, the way I tell people is 302 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: it's no different than just take the house out of 303 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: it and let's just talk about animals or dogs, right, 304 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 2: and being allergic. It's not that you. I'm not saying 305 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: you're allergic to your home, but you make a reference 306 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 2: to it affects. You know, we could get a dog 307 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 2: and my wife, Eriga could could not react at all, 308 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: and I could get really violently sick. 309 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: Right. 310 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 2: Well, I hesitate to use the word violet. But the 311 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 2: home is the same thing. You you have people just 312 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 2: maybe they can handle certain levels of moisture and and 313 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 2: and like gases and you know, things that you know 314 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 2: that are going on in the home, and that you 315 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 2: know that maybe you smell a little bit of that 316 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 2: brand new carpet to you, that's nice, but you know, 317 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 2: but your spouse or your child, or your elderly parent 318 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: that's also in the home, you know, they can't breathe 319 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: you know. So it does. It truly does affect us differently, 320 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: which is why when I go into homes, I have 321 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 2: to interview all of the occupants, right, not just not 322 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 2: just the one who made the phone call to me, 323 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 2: and truly get a picture of everybody. 324 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I've been in different homes. I'm sure 325 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: you get into a lot more than I do that 326 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: have problems. But we had a group of probably eight people, 327 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: and there was I'm going to bet five of the 328 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: eight people could not go down in the basement for 329 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: longer than a month, longer than like a you know, 330 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: and gosh, about ten minutes, all of a sudden, they're sneezing, 331 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: their eyes are watering, they're having trouble breathing, and there's 332 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: three other people are standing there like, what's going on here? 333 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, but no, and it's so true, so true, 334 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 2: had all the time. 335 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: All right, Well, sit tight, we've got another break. 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One 381 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: of the things I know you and I've talked about, 382 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: and we've talked a lot about this issue over the years, 383 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: and that was the EPA says our indoor air qualities 384 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: like five times worse than the outdoor air quality. We 385 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: really worked on our outdoor air quality back in the 386 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: late seventies and continue yep, and I keep using that statistic. 387 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: Is the problem kind of steady hanging there or is 388 00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: it actually getting worse. 389 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 2: It's actually getting worse. It's actually getting worse now while 390 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 2: there's more there's a little bit more awareness happening, right, 391 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 2: And so to your point about the indoor versus outdoor, 392 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: we can drive down the road and you can see 393 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 2: those light up signs on the highway and they talk 394 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 2: about their outdoor air quality, right. You see it in 395 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 2: the news when you watch the news, if anybody does 396 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 2: watch the news and you look at the weather reports, 397 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: they talk about the outdoor outdoor work. So everybody's conditioned 398 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 2: to hear about that smog or whatever, right. But so 399 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 2: so we're we're it's it's it's it's slow, but we're 400 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 2: getting more and more. We see more people coming onto 401 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 2: the website asking questions, so I know that we're making 402 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: a difference, but it's not it's this is not I 403 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: can't tell you this with with these acts, you know, 404 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 2: I don't have a stat on this, but it seems 405 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 2: to me like the incidences of sickness is happening that 406 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 2: are increasing are not as fast as the awareness that's increasing, 407 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 2: if that makes any sense. And that's sad to me, 408 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,719 Speaker 2: you know, because I appreciate you having me on. We 409 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 2: talk to people every day about this because it's really 410 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: there's not much people have to do right. So let 411 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: me give you an example. And if you were to 412 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 2: go to your tap and fill up a glass of 413 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 2: water and it was brown, you wouldn't drink that right, 414 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 2: and you would wait, you'd run your pipes, maybe you'd 415 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 2: do something if you had to, you'd call in a 416 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: water purification company, do something right. Now, that's different into 417 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 2: our quality. You can't see it, but a lot of times, 418 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: see what you said earlier, we talked about you can 419 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 2: smell it. So but for some reason, we're just choosing 420 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 2: to live at that. Oh well, we'll just stay out 421 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 2: of the basements, we just won't use that area, or 422 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 2: we'll just we'll just won't do this, right, So, you know, 423 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: we we bring that to tell people we breathe it. 424 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 2: This is a you know, this is a study that 425 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 2: can show we breathe about twenty five thousand times a day. Right, 426 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 2: don't think about that, right, and think about how much 427 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 2: how much we put into We buy water, we buy 428 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: organic food, or all great things, by the way, but 429 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 2: if we're inhaling and excelling twenty five thousand times a day, 430 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: we're not putting as much energy into where where we 431 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: spend ninety percent of our time. 432 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that we spend a lot 433 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: of time in our homes now kids do, and I. 434 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 2: Don't doubt it per of our times indoors. And and 435 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 2: guess what that number. I'm guessing it's gone up a 436 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 2: little bit because that number was pre COVID. Think about 437 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 2: the number of people, I mean, family members, you we whatever, 438 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 2: I put in a couple of times a day, sorry, 439 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: a couple times a week working from home, right, so 440 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: that number's probably gone up even. 441 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: More, sure, you know, sure, So it's crazy other things 442 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: have went up too, And I don't know. I guess 443 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: the vaccinations and stuff are in the news, which kind 444 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: of prompts this question. And that is different. Different things 445 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: are being tracked back to different things, vaccinations one of them. 446 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: But when when I think of air quality, I believe 447 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: that asthma and allergies have also increased in our population significantly. 448 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: Is that trace back to the air quality in our homes? 449 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: You know't? You know there's causation right in correlation. So 450 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it correlates right. So as an Alergy 451 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: Foundation of America AFA, which is infinitely smarter than me. Okay, 452 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: they track all this. 453 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: You don't have those letters. 454 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 2: No, they they they show a seven percent increase seven 455 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 2: increase in allergies and asthma in the past twenty five years. 456 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: Wow. 457 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 2: Ok Now, we have ever since and you made it 458 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: when we first got on. You talked about how we 459 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 2: talked about outdoor air quality and things like that back 460 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 2: in the seventies, you know, when when the oil and 461 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 2: bargo happened, and you know, some of us are old 462 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: enough to remember when the lines in the gas station 463 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 2: were super long. You were only allowed to get ten 464 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: gallons blah blah blah. That's when we started building tighter homes. 465 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: And you, I'm sure you've had people on who are 466 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 2: experts in in building quality and building materials that can 467 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 2: point to when we start to do that. So when 468 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: I say it's a it's not a causation, it's a correlation. 469 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: You can look back at when we started to tighten 470 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 2: these homes, right, and it correlates roughly with when these asthmaology, 471 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: these asthminology were increases happened. 472 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: It's crazy, crazy, Well, so here is I guess the 473 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: rest of the conversation is, we're not going to quit 474 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: making our homes less energy efficient. I see a company 475 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 1: now that during construction they'll spray dry wall on the 476 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: back side of it and seal the seams. Uh. So 477 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: that's it's just going to keep getting tighter, tighter, tighter. 478 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: But it can't because if it gets tighter, tighter, tighter, 479 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: nobody's gonna be able to live in these homes. So 480 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: now now the marketplace is flooded with answers, so people 481 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: talk about filters. I'll filter out the the little floaties 482 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: in the air, and I'll filter out this, and I'll 483 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: filter out this and you can change the filters, and 484 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: you gotta filter on your furnace. I guess those all 485 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: help to a degree. And then you got people that 486 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: use ozone machines. You got people that spray stuff and 487 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 1: it kills the floaties, and and then you know we're 488 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: talking about air exchanges. What's what's the answer to this. 489 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: It's probably finding a balance between as as tight as 490 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: we're sealing up the home, we gotta have some controlled ventilation. 491 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: So that's exactly right, because here, here's where there's so 492 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 2: many benefits of control ventilation. And obviously I'm you know, 493 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: that's my you know, I'm going to naturally go there. 494 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 2: But let's everything you just said is true. And but 495 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: what we have to My big concern when I go 496 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 2: into a home is what can I recommend that doesn't 497 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: disrupt document behavior? Right? I cannot walk into a home 498 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 2: and recommend to somebody that they put a filter in 499 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 2: that they're not going to change every month. That's just 500 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: that's asking you to change your behavior. Right. I'm not 501 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 2: going to go in and ask somebody to do something 502 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: that's now going to require them to change their lifestyle 503 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 2: to an effect, right. I mean I mean that to 504 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 2: an effect. Right, So what is the easiest you could 505 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 2: use the word easy or hard, but mechanical ventilation, which 506 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 2: is just taking that everything that you and I've been 507 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 2: talking about for the last forty five minutes, all the 508 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 2: bad air and that constituents that are in those that air, 509 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: and just venting it to the outside and flushing that 510 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: house with fresh air exchanges. The EPA recommends eight to 511 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 2: ten times a day, or excuse me, six to eight 512 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: times a day, that they recommend that you change the 513 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 2: entire volume of your air, which sounds like a lot 514 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 2: it is, but that's something that a cracked window is 515 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 2: not going to do, and especially when it's closed in 516 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 2: the winter. We're closed in the summer right in it 517 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: down south. 518 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: And isn't going to do it. A ceiling fan isn't 519 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: going to do it. There to introduce there, right to your. 520 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: Point, how many people don't use kitchen fans when they're 521 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: cooking or bathroom fans, right, That's that's my point about 522 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 2: changing occupant behavior. So what do we start doing when 523 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 2: we start Maybe we start putting people are putting timers 524 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 2: on things so that people can turn on a fan 525 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: and then they'll just naturally go off, But I'm not 526 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 2: going to remember to go to my bathroom twenty minutes 527 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: later after I shower it turn it off. 528 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. 529 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 2: That good behavior, right, So so so what do we 530 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 2: We're not going to rely on, Oh, I'm going to 531 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 2: put this fan in my window and I'm going to 532 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: run in every single day for the next three months. 533 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 2: And that's going to help me. No, because the minute 534 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 2: that drops down the five degrees that's coming out or 535 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 2: it's one hundred degrees in ninety seven percent. So so 536 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 2: whole house ventilation that you can just set it and 537 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 2: forget it. That's the answer, because that's how we flush 538 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 2: the house, that's how we bring in fresh air, and 539 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 2: that's how we start to make the occupants healthier. 540 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,719 Speaker 1: Sure, well that makes sense, and I do you know, 541 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: just in the transparency thing, Andrea does work it the 542 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: easy breathe. You hear me talk about easy breathe a lot. 543 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: And it's also the reason I also gave you Andre's 544 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: qualifications which go far beyond the reach of easy Breathe 545 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: and that is an Indoor Air Quality Association member of that, 546 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: the Building Performance Institute, Society of Indoor air Quality, National 547 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: Center of Health, Housing and National Environmental But because it 548 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: is a big problem, people need to be aware of 549 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: it actually ten years ago, and I can guarantee you 550 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: they're going to be aware of it in the next 551 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: ten years. I'm sure some of this ventilation that we 552 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: just spoke of is finding its way in the building codes. 553 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and thank you for bringing that up, because I 554 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 2: tell people it wasn't that long ago where you know, 555 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 2: older houses don't have bathroom fans or kitchen fans, right, 556 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: but now you can't build without that, right right? And 557 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 2: why why because of the obviously the bathroom is all well, 558 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 2: because I'm showering in the moisture, Okay, Well that's a 559 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 2: pollutant technically, right my definition in my world, that's a pollutant, 560 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 2: just like the cooking you may smell if you're cooking 561 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 2: meat loaf or whatever. That's a great smell, okay, but 562 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 2: that's a pollute right, So that it's required in those areas. 563 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 2: To your point, that's now going to be you said 564 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 2: ten years, I'm saying five. I think where old house 565 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 2: ventilation is absolutely going to be required. The next point 566 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: is the location, right, So we have to be smart 567 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 2: with where we put it. Putting putting a whole house fan, 568 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 2: which I had when I was growing up. I grew 569 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 2: up on the East Coast and the fan was in 570 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 2: my on the top my second floor. Yeah well right, 571 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 2: I remember turning that book, turning that button on or 572 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 2: turning the timer, and I ran my window and hoping 573 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 2: and I felt all the cold air coming in. Right. 574 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 2: I didn't know any better when I was twelve. But 575 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 2: think about that. That's just the stack effect that made 576 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 2: a reference to a while ago. That's just exacerbating that, 577 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 2: making things worse. So the location of the whole house 578 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 2: ventilation is vital as well. 579 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well for sure. And what we're going to 580 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: do is we're going to talk about if you're ventilating 581 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: your home and you're pulling air out six to ten 582 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: times a day, what's that doing to our energy cost? 583 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: And is it minimal? I mean, I know it's controlled ventilation, 584 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: but we'll cover that next. 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I know it's free standing, so 633 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't go on your furnace or anything, and that's nice. 634 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: I've had one for many years and it does work. 635 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if I told you this or I 636 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: told Erica. I unplugged it, I think last summer for 637 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: about two days so quiet, I forget it's there, and 638 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: I was thinking, yeah, you know, it's one of those 639 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:33,760 Speaker 1: things that's geez, is it working? And I unplugged it. 640 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: It's working because it was like I'm gonna say, it 641 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: wasn't a half a day. I could tell it wasn't on. 642 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's usually what we tell people if they 643 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 2: ever have any questions about it working. Your scenario is 644 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:50,760 Speaker 2: exactly what we tell people. 645 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: Is that right? It works? I mean, yeah, I unplugged 646 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 1: it and I went down probably six to eight hours 647 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: later I'm in the basement and it's like, oh, I 648 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: guess it was working. Plucked it back in, So tell 649 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: me how the easy breed functions. 650 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 2: Sure, so you're correct. It's free standing. It gets mounted 651 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 2: on an outside wall with a six inch hole. So 652 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,760 Speaker 2: from the outside it looks just like your dryer event, Okay. 653 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 2: And that's what looks like on the outside. On the inside, 654 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 2: it's a free standing unit that sits up against an 655 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 2: exterior wall and it you basically there's a humanist that 656 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 2: built in so you can decide where you want it. 657 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 2: Almost it reads like a dehumidifier, like it will shut 658 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 2: off when it senses whatever human is that level you said, 659 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 2: you said, And the idea is this unit it's in 660 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 2: your basement, is a culmination of the last hour that 661 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 2: we've been talking. Right, we recognize that the dirtiest, unhealthiest, 662 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 2: most toxic air is in the basement. So instead of 663 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 2: allowing the stack effect to rise and allow all that 664 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 2: to go up, which by the way, in the wintertime 665 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 2: also allows your heat to rise up and do your attic, 666 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 2: which we don't want, reverse that, okay, And that's a 667 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,240 Speaker 2: good thing, you know, that's a good thing. By taking 668 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 2: the air that originates in the basement, exhausting it out 669 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 2: at its source. So number one, we're not allowing it 670 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 2: to get up there, we're just exhausting at its source. 671 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,720 Speaker 2: Number Two, whatever we create, right, the stuff that we're creating, 672 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 2: whether it be cooking, coughing, the pets, the air. Because 673 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 2: remember when I mentioned earlier that we're building, occupants are 674 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 2: one of the sources of pour into air quality. So 675 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 2: that air that's created that is living in the living space, 676 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 2: we bring that down instead of allowing it to go 677 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 2: up into the second floor living space. We bring that 678 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 2: down and exhaust that out. And because we move, we've 679 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 2: scientifically designed this to move at one hundred and twenty 680 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 2: eight cfm, keep it to permit, right, so that means 681 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 2: we're we're not overdoing it. Because people want to know 682 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 2: about where do you get your return air? If we're 683 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,879 Speaker 2: exhausting air only you have the heavier coming in. We 684 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 2: only move at one hundred and twenty eight because that 685 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 2: means we're able to counteract the satisfact but not starving 686 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,760 Speaker 2: your home of air. Just the natural comings and goings 687 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 2: of the house and you know, opening and closing the 688 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 2: doors on a daily basis, that's that's the return air 689 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 2: that we use. Okay, and then what we're doing is 690 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 2: using the air that you've paid the condition in your 691 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,720 Speaker 2: living space that comes down and now we're the basement 692 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 2: is being conditioned and balanced as well. So now you 693 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 2: have more Now not only do you have a healthier 694 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 2: environment as a result of the ventilation, but you have 695 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 2: a more balanced environment from a temperature standpoint in your 696 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 2: entire home, making your air, making your exact system work 697 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 2: even more efficiently. 698 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: So it's like mechanical convection. You just gotta be moving 699 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: it down and out and pulling it down. 700 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 2: That I never thought about. That that's the point. Yeah, Yeah, 701 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 2: that's a point. 702 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: Excellent. Hey, you're gonna use it whenever you want. 703 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 2: I'm totally going to steal that, Gary, And I'm going 704 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 2: absolutely give you credit because your name Perry's weight, So 705 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to give you credit. 706 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: Well, so the the easy breathe, you've got a six 707 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: inch hole. I'm assuming you can have somebody install that, 708 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: do you, or maybe you can do it yourself. 709 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 2: We have we have multiple ways. The rise in di 710 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 2: y is in household chores in general is pretty is 711 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 2: pretty uh uh noticeable, and that correlates with are the 712 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 2: purchasing of our units as well. We've seen a lot 713 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 2: more people do it yourself, okay, because we can walk 714 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,359 Speaker 2: people through the location, right, because that's I jokingly tell 715 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,839 Speaker 2: people you need a six inch hole salt to drill 716 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 2: to the outside. But what you also need is the 717 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 2: knowledge of where to put the unit, and that's a 718 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 2: little bit. They're both really important. The drilling of the 719 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 2: whole obviously, because you're drilling a hole through your foundation, 720 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,759 Speaker 2: so we want to make sure that you're comfortable doing that. 721 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 2: But the placement of it, or if you want to, 722 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 2: you know, have somebody do it for you. We can 723 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 2: help put you in touch with one of our contractors, 724 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 2: licensed contractors that carry the product, or you know, we 725 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 2: can talk to your contractor. 726 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, okay, okay. And in placement you you've mentioned 727 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: this a couple of times, it's really important, and then 728 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,320 Speaker 1: I can tell you it is important. Mine's in a 729 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: way from areas that could cause problems. For instance, you 730 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to put it right next to a cross space. 731 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: Would you be pulling air in from the cross space? 732 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 2: I would, right, So I appreciate you saying that. We 733 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,360 Speaker 2: tell people to visualize well we install these weas we 734 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,399 Speaker 2: want to put. We want to pull the good air 735 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,839 Speaker 2: through the bad not the other way around. Right, so 736 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 2: the good air meeting the air from upstairs down and through. 737 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 2: So to your point with the cross space, we don't 738 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 2: want to pull the crosspace air into the basement. That 739 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 2: might be we might be utilizing and even if we 740 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 2: don't utilize it, we don't want to pull crosspace air 741 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 2: into the basement because the basement has a direct contact 742 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 2: the stairwell upstairs, So we don't want to do that. 743 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 2: So yeah, we always tell people pull the good air 744 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 2: through the bad, not the other way around. 745 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: Very good, by the way, folks. The website if you'd 746 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: like to check it out, it's the letter E the 747 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: letter Z breathe dot com. It's easy z breed dot com. 748 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 1: And if you I assume it'd be a good idea 749 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 1: to give the easy breathed folks an you know a 750 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,719 Speaker 1: phone call, have a conversation with them. It's eight six 751 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: six eight two two seventy three twenty eight eight six 752 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 1: six eight two two seventy three twenty eight And is 753 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: there any kind of deal going on right now? 754 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,919 Speaker 2: Uh? Andre sure is here is if you mentioned if 755 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 2: you mentioned Gary's name, you get that. You get two 756 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 2: hundred fifty dollars off, okay, or you get you get this, 757 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 2: you get to fifteen percent off as well. But the 758 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 2: other thing that you get and who you when you 759 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,320 Speaker 2: call that number, you're going to talk to somebody who's 760 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 2: been with us for twenty years. Okay, nice and really 761 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,279 Speaker 2: really knows into our quality. But the other thing that 762 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 2: we're offering just so people are comfortable knowing that they're going. 763 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 1: To talk to somebody. 764 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 2: But the other thing we're doing is we're giving away 765 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,320 Speaker 2: two free commnut stacks of every purchase from Gary customers. 766 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,280 Speaker 1: That is that is a great thing to have. In fact, 767 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: everybody should have those. If you're if you already have 768 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: an easy breathe go buy a couple few minutes tests. 769 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 1: They're so important. Andre, thank you so much for joining us. 770 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: I certainly appreciate and always look forward to our time together. 771 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 2: Thank you, Gary, have a great day. 772 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,399 Speaker 1: All right, you just saying thank you? Going by? All right, 773 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 1: your calls next, and I can help you with some 774 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: of those issues. Bill, sit tight. We'll get to your 775 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,759 Speaker 1: issue or niattic, but we'll talk about that or in 776 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: your Home. You're at home with Gary Sullivan's. 777 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,240 Speaker 3: Home Improvement one oh one with Gary Sullivan Every weekend 778 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 3: classes began, and one eight hundred and eighty two three 779 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 3: tah You are at home with Gary Sullivan. 780 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 2: The difficulty that the