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Speaker 2: All right, welcome man, it is the Tuesday edition of

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Speaker 2: Cincy three to sixty. Thank you as you just heard

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. You know what, Tuesdays

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Speaker 2: bring a new Scott Saderfield press conference. That's happening down

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Speaker 2: in Clifton right now. We'll get some audio of that

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Speaker 2: and we'll play it at the start of our number three.

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Speaker 2: Joe Daniman Fox nineteen standing by to join us at

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Speaker 2: one o'clock. We have talkbacks, We have your phone calls

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Speaker 2: five to one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty. We

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Speaker 2: have audio from Demetrius Night regarding a players only meeting. Yes,

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Speaker 2: all is right in the world. You can relax, you

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Speaker 2: can breathe again. The season is back on the defense

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Speaker 2: for the Cincinnati Bengals. Held a player's only meeting yesterday.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk more about that along the way. We'll ask

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Speaker 2: a lot of Bengals questions today. Look, how and at

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Speaker 2: this point can this get turned around? And I'm not

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Speaker 2: just talking about the rest of this season. I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about going into a new offseason in the Joe Burrow era,

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Speaker 2: the super Bowl window that we like to throw around

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Speaker 2: so much. How does it change? How does it get

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Speaker 2: better from where things are at right now? The trade

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Speaker 2: deadline in the National Football League is a week from today.

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Speaker 2: Trades are already happening. The Titans and the Rams have

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Speaker 2: made a trade. What is your thought leading into the

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Speaker 2: trade deadline? Because my biggest thing right now, and we'll

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Speaker 2: discuss this later, I don't know that I trust Duke

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals to make that turn into a positive decision.

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Speaker 3: I talked a lot yesterday about the plan and what

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Speaker 3: the plan used to be and what worked about it,

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Speaker 3: and now at some point the plan has changed.

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Speaker 2: The plan.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it is when it comes to drafting,

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Speaker 3: and I don't know how it will be adjusted this offseason,

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Speaker 3: but clearly, internally the plan has not worked and they

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Speaker 3: don't have good enough players, and so we've seen them

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Speaker 3: be a little bit more willing to make trades. They've

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Speaker 3: made an end season trade each of the last two seasons.

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Speaker 3: Would they be willing to go and find something that

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Speaker 3: might be more of a sure thing at the trade

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Speaker 3: deadline than risking another draft pick in which they have

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Speaker 3: struggled mightily to hit on. But you're right, I don't

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Speaker 3: trust Duke Tobin. No, no Bengals fans should trust Duke Tobin.

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Speaker 3: There is no reason to believe in Duke Tobin, or

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Speaker 3: in the scouting staff, or in the football operations people,

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Speaker 3: or in the coaching staff. Faith is at an all

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Speaker 3: time low right now, and the Bengals deserve this criticism

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Speaker 3: because they have failed in the execution of this plan.

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Speaker 2: We will will dive more into that dive a little

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Speaker 2: bit more into the Jamar Chase comments that Austin played

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Speaker 2: in our number three yesterday. Speaking of number three, I

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals. I'd like to dive into that today and

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Speaker 2: a Zach Taylor question about his time leading up to

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Speaker 2: now with the Cincinnati Bengals. What about a sports equinox yesterday?

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Speaker 2: It was yesterday? We had it? What about a sports

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Speaker 2: equinox yesterday? It was yesterday. Did you enjoy it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Did you partake in the equinox? I did? FC since

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Speaker 2: and Yeah, here they come the hero. The city needed.

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Speaker 3: Orange blue k den k when hell is real, baby,

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Speaker 3: opportunity to finish off the Columbus Crew in Columbus on

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Speaker 3: Cup playoffs. FC Cincinnati. It was an all out attack

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Speaker 3: last night. I mean, the Crew are lucky that they

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati was prepared. They were fast, they were physical, they

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Speaker 2: In the National Football League. Last night, the Chiefs starting

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Speaker 2: The Chiefs all time record for touchdowns, Yes with who,

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Speaker 2: gosh who? They literally named it last night. Oh, I

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Speaker 2: don't know who it is. I gotta think about it.

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Speaker 2: A Priest Holmes, Priest Holmes? Is it? Yeah? Is it? Yes?

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Speaker 2: It's his eighty third career score, which time Priest Holmes

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Speaker 3: I've forgotten about running back yep, because the Chiefs weren't

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Speaker 2: Priest Holmes was a monster. I believe it was his

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Speaker 2: one if you count playoffs as well. His one hundredth

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Speaker 2: night led the Chiefs with six catches on eight targets

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Speaker 2: for ninety nine yards, and again, Austin, it just feels

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Speaker 3: How many playoff games has Travis Kelsey played in his career?

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Speaker 2: Do we know?

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Speaker 3: Because he's probably played a season's worth of postseason games.

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Speaker 3: So he's got one hundred total touchdowns when you include

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean that he has twenty five playoff games

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Speaker 2: in his career.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so over a season's worth of playoff games from

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Speaker 2: So good in the playoffs. Man, what a beast, so

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Speaker 2: look at their division, you know, I think it's a

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Speaker 2: The AFC West is interesting if Joe Alt is healthy

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Speaker 2: They're four to oh at home, but Denver leads that division.

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Speaker 2: They're winless in the division. Denver. They're also going to

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Speaker 2: fun division race to watch down the stretch. A couple

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Speaker 2: other NFL notes, Carson Wentz season ending surgery on his

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Speaker 2: Matt Liner, I know him. Matt Lionard says, it's time

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Speaker 2: to start putting some respect on Brendan Soarsby's name in

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Speaker 3: It's amazing what winning does all of a sudden people

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, Bearcats win. Now here's the thing I'm a

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Speaker 2: little uneasy about. Yesterday the line for the Bearcats at

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Speaker 2: Utah game opened up places plus six for the Bearcats

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Speaker 2: even plus seven. Have you seen what it is at now?

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Speaker 2: Last I saw was nine and a half. Nine and

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Speaker 2: what would be the reasoning for that?

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Speaker 3: From your perspective, as you now study each and every game,

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Speaker 3: Utah Saturday night?

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Speaker 2: Utah, I think forty eight to nothing at halftime against Colorado,

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Speaker 2: The biggest concern about the Bearcats currently is their rush defense.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, I mean, they just held austin the

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Speaker 2: but their run defense gives up one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: one per game, and this Utah offense fifth in the

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Speaker 2: You know, three of the teams ahead of them Army, Navy,

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Speaker 3: Cocks tells you that they're pretty good. I will say

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Speaker 3: this though, just looking at Utah's schedule when they faced

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Speaker 3: is technically a ranked win for them team to Watchno stinks. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: West Virginia stinks. Wyoming stink. Ucla at the time. Ucla

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Speaker 3: at the time stunk. I don't know that they've been

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Speaker 2: There's a team to watch out for right now, Houston

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Speaker 2: in the Big twelve, four and one in the contre

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about football, not basketball. I know what they are.

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Speaker 2: They are now ranked the twenty second ranked team in

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Speaker 2: the country. Unbelievable. They have one loss on the year,

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Speaker 2: was to Texas Tech. Since then Austin I went over

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Speaker 2: that same Arizona State. We just the team we just

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Speaker 2: talked about. This is the remaining schedule for Houston, West Virginia, UCF, TCU, Baylor.

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Speaker 2: So you're telling me eleven and one could be b YU,

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Speaker 2: They're at Texas Tech out of a bye. They ever

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a home wrecker. Came the TCU

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Speaker 2: That makes me nervous. How about this last night, Game

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Speaker 2: three of the World Series, Brad Paisley, you know going,

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Speaker 2: you know Brad Paisley. Yeah, Brad Paisley, he's the guy

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Speaker 2: who's in those commercials with Peyton Manning. Yes, Brad Paisley

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Speaker 2: sang the national anthem last night and people might just say, okay,

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Speaker 2: Brad Paisley is an awesome musician. There's nothing unique about that. Well,

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Speaker 2: listen to this. Brad Paisley has performed the anthem for

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Speaker 2: three memorable World Series contest in Los Angeles leading up

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Speaker 2: to last night, his fourth. In twenty seventeen, he sang

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Speaker 2: before Game two. That game won eleven innings. In Game

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Speaker 2: three twenty eighteen, he sang before it went eighteen innings.

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Speaker 2: Game one, twenty twenty four, Brad Paisley national anthem, the

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Speaker 2: game went ten innings. And then last night, how about

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Speaker 2: last night, Brad Paisley sings the national anthem. Dodgers win

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Speaker 2: the game six to five in eighteen innings, six hours

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Speaker 2: and thirty nine minutes of baseball last night.

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Speaker 3: To think that we've had two World Series games go

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Speaker 3: eighteen innings in the last six or seven years is

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Speaker 3: kind of bonkers, and even more crazy that the same

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Speaker 3: guy sang the national anthem YEP.

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Speaker 2: Before both of them.

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Speaker 3: Pretty wild, and some people are saying he should never

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Speaker 2: Man, I have a.

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Speaker 3: Question for people who stayed up to watch that game. Okay,

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Speaker 3: first of all, let me ask you, how much of

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Speaker 2: Some notes here. Austin mentioned in the first segment about

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Speaker 2: I wanted to have. With the trade deadline being a

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Speaker 2: week from today, I don't trust Duke Tobin to acquire

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Speaker 2: draft picks and turn around and utilize those draft picks

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Speaker 2: in a positive way. I know you went through an

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Speaker 2: exercise yesterday where you listed off some of the draft picks, Mo,

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Speaker 2: and I did it at Twin Peaks yesterday as well,

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Speaker 2: where you just look at the failures year after year

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Speaker 2: after year of Duke Tobin drafting players. It has been

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Speaker 2: a failure. I'm so tired of seeing a draft and

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Speaker 2: being told, don't worry about the lack of production. Look

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Speaker 2: at these measurables all the way back to when John

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Speaker 2: Ross got drafted. Look how fast he is, all the

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Speaker 2: way to Shamar Stewart. Don't look at the sack totals.

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Speaker 2: Just look at his athleticism, look at his testing numbers,

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Speaker 2: look at how much he disrupted games. And at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, that's great, but he didn't bring

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Speaker 2: anyone down in college and not tackling anyone in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: But we're just pitched. Have you've seen Miles Murphy. Just

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Speaker 2: look at the size of him. The athleticism, Okay, that

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Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily translate to a great football player on the field, right,

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Speaker 2: And when you draft guys in the first in the

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Speaker 2: second round, you need those players to be impact players,

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Speaker 2: especially when you pay Joe Burrow and t Higgins and

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase and what you have coming out from a

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Speaker 2: contract standpoint. Mo made the point yesterday they've not given

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Speaker 2: an offensive lineman a second contract of which they drafted

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Speaker 2: since Clint Bowling. The Duke Tobin draft tenure has been

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Speaker 2: a failure and don't tell me Joe Burrow and Jamar

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Speaker 2: Chase because any team would have done it.

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Speaker 3: And you know, kind of looking back on the Marvin

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Speaker 3: Lewis era at the end, you know, Marvin had some

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Speaker 3: pretty good drafts and was a part of some really

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Speaker 3: good drafts and Duke is a part of that as well.

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Speaker 3: Guys that were mainstays in playoff teams, Andy and AJ

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Speaker 3: are a great example, Eiffert Bernard, Sean Williams played a

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Speaker 3: lot lot of games. Even Jeremy Hill, AJM McCarron like

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Speaker 3: guys that had a role and were productive for the organization.

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Speaker 3: But if you look at the last three drafts of

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Speaker 3: Marvin Lewis and Duke Tobin's time together, there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of misses and it resulted in the team taking a

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Speaker 3: nose dive and Marvin getting fired. In the twenty sixteen draft,

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Speaker 3: there was one viable professional. It was Tyler Boyd. Now

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Speaker 3: Andrew Billings is still playing. We're going to see him

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Speaker 3: this weekend with the Chicago Bears, if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 3: But Tyler Boyd. The next year was Joe Mixon and

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Speaker 3: Jake Elliott, And Jake Elliott never played for the Bengals

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Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen. It was Billy Price, Jesse Bates, Sam

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Speaker 3: Hubbard and after that a bunch of losers and so like,

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Speaker 3: really you only got two of that eighteen draft as well,

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Speaker 3: and it was Bates and Hubbard their first round picks.

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Speaker 3: Just Joanahilli didn't work out, obviously Burrow and Chase did.

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Speaker 3: Dax is still a question mark. Miles Murphy terrible, Amarius

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Speaker 3: Mims don't know, but you feel good about Shamar Stewart

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Speaker 3: massive question mark.

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Speaker 4: So like.

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Speaker 3: It felt like there was a shift when they got

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Speaker 3: good with Burrow is to Okay, let's get some young

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Speaker 3: guys that we can get in here and develop behind

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Speaker 3: these veterans, and then the veterans leave and there was

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Speaker 3: actually no development. So now, what you should have done

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Speaker 3: with Shamar Stewart, what you should have done with you know,

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Speaker 3: this past draft class, and what you need to do

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Speaker 3: moving forward is guys that have actually been productive at

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Speaker 3: those programs, or seek and find guys in free agency

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Speaker 3: or in the trade deadline that have been productive NFL players.

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Speaker 3: Example would be like Caveon Thibodaum. Yeah, and that's why

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Speaker 3: I go back to the Thibodeau side. You know, would

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Speaker 3: you rather Austin, you know, between now and next week

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Speaker 3: this time, move on from Trey Hendrickson and acquire a

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Speaker 3: couple of draft picks, or at a guy like Dibbodeaux

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Speaker 3: that you know as a proven commodity. Like I'm at

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Speaker 3: the point where I need proven commodities because I don't

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Speaker 3: trust the process of scouting, of drafting and then developing

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Speaker 3: the players. That terrifies me about this organization. It's a

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Speaker 3: main reason why the organization is in the spot that

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Speaker 3: we're in right now. They haven't drafted well, they haven't

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Speaker 3: developed well. They had an abysmal defense last year, and

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Speaker 3: they are somehow worse on defense. Somehow, after they wasted

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Speaker 3: historic years from Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 3: Somehow they looked at that defense and their ideas to

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Speaker 3: improve it have all failed, and they are somehow worse

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Speaker 3: on the defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 2: Think about that. Meanwhile, Loure and a Rimos squad is

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Speaker 2: giving up under twenty points a game, can't scapegoat him anymore,

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Speaker 2: just running out of people to point the finger out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, there's been

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Speaker 3: multiple coaches that have kind of fallen on the sword.

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Speaker 3: Offensive line, defensive line, linebackers, decordinators, they've all kind of

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Speaker 3: fallen on the sword.

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Speaker 2: Yep, and now there's really no other swords to fall on.

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Speaker 2: Kind of at a point with your organization where it's

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Speaker 2: it's at a crossroads. And as we sit here at

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Speaker 2: this point, I don't trust them to make the right

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Speaker 2: decisions in the draft. I don't trust that they are

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Speaker 2: evaluating the talent properly. That is how you get into

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Speaker 2: a spot like the Bengals are in right now. Historically

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Speaker 2: bad last year on defense, worse on defense, wasting more

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Speaker 2: greatness from Jamar Chase. The injury has pushed Burrow's path

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Speaker 2: another year further. It's just it's maddening at where this

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Speaker 2: franchise is at. And it's even more maddening when Joe

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Speaker 2: Flacco comes in and puts up thirty eight and you

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Speaker 2: lose to the zero to seven Jets.

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Speaker 3: You're on the verge of missing the playoffs for a

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Speaker 3: third straight season after going to the Super Bowl an

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Speaker 3: AFC Championship game in back to back years.

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Speaker 2: That is unacceptable. But Austin, there was a players only

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Speaker 2: meeting yesterday. Well, who. By the way, correspondence from my grandma. Hey,

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Speaker 2: Grandpaul and I watched the entire game last night. Wow,

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Speaker 2: Grandpa said, we did because we'll never see anyone like

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Speaker 2: Otani in our lifetimes. Grandpa also really likes Freddie Freeman,

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Speaker 2: so shout out to the Grandma and Grandpa. They have

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Speaker 2: good taste. They watched it because they knew they were

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Speaker 2: watching greatness, so it was worth it to them.

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Speaker 5: Good.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a break. Let's stick with the Bengals. We'll

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Speaker 2: get some calls in at the end of the hour,

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Speaker 2: but uh, a wide receiver conversation that I think it's

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Speaker 2: fair to have. We'll do so next. I'm the home

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you, Austin, because it goes in to

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Speaker 2: the conversation we've already had about the failures of this

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Speaker 2: team in the draft and in the process that they

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Speaker 2: have taken in the way they've constructed this team. Andre

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Speaker 2: Yoshi vash And I know it's a delicate thing because

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Speaker 2: I know Yoshi is a fan favorite to a lot

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Speaker 2: of people, and I get why, I really do. He

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Speaker 2: is a very likable guy, works hard. But at the

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Speaker 2: root of it, Austin, what round was Yoshi drafted in?

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Speaker 2: I believe he was a sixth or seventh three. He

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Speaker 2: was a sixth round draft pick. And yes, he's had

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Speaker 2: good moments for this team, but he is not gaining

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Speaker 2: separation and he has a case of the drops. And

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Speaker 2: when I say not gaining separation, Austin, I think that's

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Speaker 2: crucial because a large percentage of the time is Yoshi

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Speaker 2: going against the team's first or second best cover guy. No, No,

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Speaker 2: they're up with Jamar Chasen t Higgins, So he's not

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Speaker 2: beating third or fourth cover guy of the opposition. And

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Speaker 2: my question remains, we watched at camp Mitchell Tinsley take

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Speaker 2: over at times as a story of training camp. We

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Speaker 2: had very good things to say about how Jermaine Burton

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Speaker 2: approached this year's training camp. And Mitchell Tinsley is active

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Speaker 2: on most game days. Jermaine Burton is not active, but

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Speaker 2: late in the game, Joe Flacco tried to go to

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Speaker 2: Yoshi Vash three times the second to last series. On

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Speaker 2: the second down, he tried to fit a ball into

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Speaker 2: Yoshi no separation, put the ball in Yoshi's hands down

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Speaker 2: the middle on the final drive of the game, which

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Speaker 2: would have put the Bengals in prime spot to win

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Speaker 2: that game. I know it was a tough catch. The

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Speaker 2: ball has eventually dropped, and then on the fourth down,

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Speaker 2: Yoshi drops the balls. He's going to the ground. If we,

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Speaker 2: or if the Bengals Austin are willing to give players

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Speaker 2: opportunities at other positions on the offensive and defensive side

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Speaker 2: of the ball, why is it that they seem unwilling

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Speaker 2: to give Mitchell Tinsley or Jermaine Burton opportunities over Andre Yoshivash.

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Speaker 3: I think we've slowly seen the Mitchell Tinsley snaps creep

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Speaker 3: up there. I believe with Burton it's a complete distrust

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Speaker 3: and probably an inability to grasp the offense. That would

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Speaker 3: be my guess as to why he's not even in

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Speaker 3: the conversation Tinsley. There's no reason it shouldn't be a rotation,

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Speaker 3: like there's no reason he shouldn't be challenging him for

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Speaker 3: those snaps as far as I'm concerned, I mean, you

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Speaker 3: talk about the separation. According to Andrew Russell, who posted

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Speaker 3: this yesterday, Yoshivash has the third most receiving snaps on

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Speaker 3: the team. He's last in separation rate, isn't making contested catches,

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Speaker 3: only two for nine on those contested throws, and leads

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Speaker 3: the team with four drops, and you could probably charge

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Speaker 3: him with three more than he's actually been charged with.

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Speaker 2: So no separation, not making contested catches, and dropping the ball.

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Speaker 3: Correct, no reason for him to continue getting that many snaps.

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Speaker 2: I think I think he was somewhere around eighty percent

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Speaker 2: of the snaps.

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Speaker 3: I would be willing to say, Okay, let's put noa Fan,

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Speaker 3: just put Mitchell Tinsley. I would like to see a

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Speaker 3: little bit more of that no offense, because I think No.

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Speaker 3: A Fan's been a pretty solid player this year for

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Speaker 3: this team. H and I think he's a dependable receiver

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Speaker 3: obviously as the big body, can he get more of

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Speaker 3: those opportunities? Can Mitchell Tinsley get more of those opportunities?

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Speaker 3: And if not, like, can you find creative ways to

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Speaker 3: move Chase and Higgins around to where you might create

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Speaker 3: a more favorable matchup for andre Yoshavash, whether that be

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Speaker 3: through motion, through a formation, whatever it might be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it's puzzling because again, at other positions

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Speaker 2: across this roster, they are making decisions to give other

644
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 2: players opportunities, and yet at certain positions they're not. Gino

645
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: Stone played a percent of the naps again, Cam Taylor

646
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: Britt was almost back to eighty percent after being a

647
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 2: healthy scratch the week before. It just it doesn't feel

648
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: like there's much rhyme or reason with a lot of

649
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: these decisions that are being made defensively. I don't think

650
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Speaker 2: they know.

651
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: I think they're just trying to find something, trying everything,

652
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Speaker 3: which you know, I had the question I was asking

653
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Speaker 3: you this before the game or before the show today.

654
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Speaker 3: Do we think this was the plan with or without

655
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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

657
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Speaker 3: To just give these young guys chances or when Burrow

658
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 3: went down, they're like, all right, screw it, let's see

659
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Speaker 3: what these guys have.

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Speaker 2: I would think it was when Burrow went down, because

661
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: there's no way you could have just randomly said, let's

662
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 2: give guys chances as your answer to how bad the

663
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: defense was last year with Burrough.

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Speaker 3: I think I would say the opposite. I think it was, well,

665
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Speaker 3: we're going to give these dudes a chance to play,

666
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Speaker 3: and hopefully Joe's going to be healthy and he'll cover

667
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Speaker 3: up all there.

668
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Speaker 2: But that's the crazy thing. If that was the thinking,

669
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Speaker 2: I kind of feel like that's what it was after

670
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: Burrow's year last year was all for not and the

671
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: thinking would have just been, let's let Joe be great

672
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Speaker 2: again and we'll just kind of shuffle guys on defense

673
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Speaker 2: and see what sticks. Yeah, that is a disaster.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I was talking to somebody recently. I want to say

676
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 3: it was Charlie. I don't know for sure about like,

677
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 3: you know, how did you get from where we are

678
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: to or where we were to where we are and

679
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 3: like where we're going, And Charlie said, one of the

680
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 3: lessons he's learned is that it can always get worse.

681
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 3: Like you think, oh, surely the offensive line can't get worse,

682
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 3: or surely the cornerback play can't get worse, or surely

683
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 3: the safety play can't get worse.

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Speaker 4: It does.

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00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 3: And I think that's kind of where we've gone wrong

686
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 3: here with the Bengals, especially defensively. Well, the cornerbacks won't

687
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 3: be that bad again, they have been. The defensive line

688
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 3: won't be that bad again, well they have been. And

689
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: you know, surely it can't get worse. Well, Trey Hendrickson

690
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: got hurt, So guess what it got worse? Like, you

691
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: can never operate under the assumption, which the Bengals have,

692
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 3: that it can't get worse than it was last year,

693
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: because guess what it is?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeap, remarkable. Do you feel better that they're they're

695
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Speaker 2: haven't they had a players only meeting? Uh?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 2: I don't you feel better that that are gonna be different?

698
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 3: I feel better because I learned that their uniform combo

699
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 3: is black on black, which if you remember, and I'm

700
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 3: sure you do. The two thousand and nine Bengals hosted

701
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Speaker 3: the Bears in the Cedric Benson Revenge Game SETI. They

702
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 3: won forty five to ten, wearing the black on black okay,

703
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 3: and Cedric Benson went crazy, Rip said Benson. Okay, but

704
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 3: you know, maybe recreate a little bit of that magic.

705
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: All right? Who says, no picking up what we're putting down. Uh,

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Speaker 2: let's take a break. Let's finish up the hour with

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Speaker 2: a couple of your phone calls. Next, and then Joe

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Speaker 2: Danaman will join us to try to shortfense from two

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Speaker 2: thousand and nine. We'll get danim in to try to

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Speaker 2: sort through some of this as well. All coming up

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Speaker 2: since he three to sixty thanks to Skyline Chili on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty, Welcome back, nearing the end of our

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Speaker 1: number one Sincy three six st on this Tuesday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to our friends at Skyline Chillie. Thank you for listening,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for holding on with us. We got a

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Speaker 2: couple of calls. We're going to get to you to

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Speaker 2: finish out the hour.

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Speaker 9: Here.

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Speaker 2: Let's start by heading down to Charlotte. What's up, Steve?

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Speaker 10: How you doing guys?

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Speaker 5: Good?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 11: I'm doing well? Hey, Tony, I just want you to

725
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 11: I'm come in town for the for the Bears game

726
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Speaker 11: this weekend.

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Speaker 5: I will see you in mow at the Grail with Uh.

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Speaker 10: Let's go yes, sir, yes, sir, somebow something.

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Speaker 11: I want to mention that that struck that you guys

730
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 11: were talking about Duke tobinan about about Zach Taylor. You know,

731
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Speaker 11: when we went to the Super Bowl and played against

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Speaker 11: uh I played against the Rams, they basically sold the

733
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Speaker 11: farm if you remember that year to win the Super Bowl.

734
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Speaker 11: I mean they basically said we're going to after this minute,

735
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Speaker 11: we're going to rebuild.

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Speaker 12: That.

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Speaker 11: Is that a correct assumption on my part?

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Speaker 2: I don't agree with that now. I don't think so,

739
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Speaker 2: because at that time, you're thinking Burrows on the rookie

740
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Speaker 2: deal and and chases Is on the rookie deal, and

741
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 2: you could build around that the Rams part.

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Speaker 11: Remember the Rams that basically put.

743
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Speaker 2: All their Yeah, yeah, the Rams did, And somehow they've

744
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: built themselves back quicker than the Bengals exactly.

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Speaker 11: They they basiced get the exact same record as Buffalo.

746
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 11: I mean they are They're five and two. So what

747
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 11: is it about? I mean, I like I like Zach Taylor.

748
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Speaker 5: You know, a person never met the guy.

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Speaker 11: He seems like a nice guy, but I think that

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Speaker 11: he sort of got a pass, he sort of rode.

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Speaker 10: Maybe maybe I'm long in saying.

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Speaker 11: That the coattails of Sean McVay, you know, whenever he

753
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 11: was there and now he's on the island by himself

754
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 11: trying to coach his team and can't seem to develop

755
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 11: the players, and Duke Tobin can't can't draft.

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Speaker 5: So I mean it speaks.

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Speaker 11: And like I said, is that you know, the Rams

758
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Speaker 11: they sold the farm, you know, to win that Super

759
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Speaker 11: Bowl against us, and now they're better than they're They're

760
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Speaker 11: closer to the Super Bowl again than we are with

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Speaker 11: with Sean McVay, with Duke Tobin.

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Speaker 5: So hey, turning, I'll see you this weekend.

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Speaker 2: That I listen to you guys, Let's go all right, appreciate that,

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Speaker 2: Steve yeh. It is true. Like look, you know, I

765
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: did an exercise yesterday Austin. There were four different receivers

766
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 2: taken within twenty five picks when Jermaine Burton was taken

767
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: last year that are significant impact players or have been

768
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Speaker 2: for their teams currently. The way in which this team

769
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: has rebuilt or built their roster is a disaster. When

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Speaker 2: you think of a team like the Rams, or you

771
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: think of a team like Tampa Bay or the teams

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Speaker 2: that are consistently competing at the top. The Chiefs have

773
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Speaker 2: had to draft. They had to address the offensive line

774
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: issues from last year. They did. The Detroit Lions had

775
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: to work around losing both an offensive and defensive coordinator.

776
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Speaker 2: There are our teams across the National Football League. The

777
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 2: Patriots are in year one with a brand new coach

778
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: and complete overhaul of the roster, and they have a

779
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Speaker 2: handle on things right now. In the AFC East, the Chargers, Broncos,

780
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 2: the Indianapolis Colts with Daniel Jones, teams are finding ways

781
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: to do it and be successful in the NFL, and

782
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: the Bengals cannot find that recipe. What's going on?

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Speaker 13: Mark?

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Speaker 5: Hey, I'm just now recovered from that lost Sunday, but

785
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 5: I'm convinced now Zach Taylor he don't want me to

786
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 5: like him. He allow me to like him, and he

787
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 5: don't want me to like him. Let me make this

788
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 5: point and I'll be quick, and you can tell me

789
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Speaker 5: if you agree or disagree. They get the ball back

790
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Speaker 5: five times in the Super Bowl with the lead, never

791
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 5: committed to running the ball neither time. Okay, MC Championship

792
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 5: game the next season, they got the ball back at

793
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Speaker 5: the end of the game. They end up having to

794
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 5: punk the ball, but never committed to running the ball.

795
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Speaker 5: Second to the last drive of this game, Shotgun three

796
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 5: passes never tried to run the ball for some reason

797
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 5: where he gets in these situations in the game, he

798
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 5: doesn't believe in running the ball. And that's what that's

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Speaker 5: what frustrates me about him, Like, you close the game

800
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Speaker 5: out running the ball. In spite of the bad defense

801
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Speaker 5: and everything that happened in that game, the Jets coordinator,

802
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 5: even with two scores, even with them being behind two scores,

803
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 5: they never got away from running the ball. They ran

804
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 5: the ball and threw it when they had to throw it.

805
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 5: What is with him when it comes to running the

806
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 5: ball in certain situations, they were doing a good job

807
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Speaker 5: running the ball. I just then if they run that,

808
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 5: let me make this play. They run the ball in

809
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 5: that last second to last series, I think it's game over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think it's game over, Thank you, Mark.

811
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: I think it's game over on multiple fronts. I think

812
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: if they could have just at the very least taken

813
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Speaker 2: three or four minutes off the clock, I just think

814
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Speaker 2: it would have changed the way in which the Jets

815
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: would have had to attack the last series. The Jets

816
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: got the ball back so quickly, they didn't have to

817
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: go into any type of different offense. They could still

818
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: run the ball, they could still throw the ball, as

819
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: opposed to the other side of things, when they may

820
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: have got the ball back with less time and would

821
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Speaker 2: have had to resort of just to throwing the ball.

822
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Speaker 2: And that's just not justin Field's specialty regardless, it's the

823
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: end game situational coaching that has haunted this team and

824
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Speaker 2: continues to do so real quick. And then we'll get

825
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Speaker 2: our break in with Joe Danaman coming up. What's up, Darien?

826
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Speaker 4: What's up? Guys?

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Speaker 14: I'd be super quick as far as Zach Taylor in

828
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Speaker 14: the draft in situation, I feel like there's too many

829
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Speaker 14: sets in the kitchen, too many people have input on

830
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Speaker 14: who to draft, Like say Franstance second round, third round pick.

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Speaker 5: If we'd have won.

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Speaker 14: Tate Radlic and then Dylan fa tro out in round

833
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 14: two and three, nobody would have been upset if you

834
00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 14: got very quarter in.

835
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Speaker 2: Round four, like okay, all right, cool?

836
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 14: And then you know with Zach Taylor's like why can't

837
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 14: he ever just be transparent and honest with us? Like

838
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 14: yesterday he was saying that they were in a past

839
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Speaker 14: for us, they're getting there.

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Speaker 2: Just this, they're just not finishing. I'm like, are you

841
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: watching the same thing.

842
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 14: That we're all watching?

843
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: You see him like nobody.

844
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 14: Is getting there, and it's like, why can't he just

845
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 14: being a presser, Like, Hey, I'm very frustrated with how

846
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 14: things are going. We're social for answers. You know, we

847
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 14: know it's not the standard. He's just like, I got

848
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 14: faith in our guys, and it's like, hey, Lee sometimes

849
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 14: be upset and say, you know, this isn't what we're

850
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 14: wanting to look like, That's all I got for you, guys, man,

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Speaker 14: I appreciate You'll.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Darren. I appreciate that. You know. The one

853
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: thing about the presser yesterday, I was looking to that

854
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: for Zach to set a tone because I thought it

855
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: was coming off the worst loss of the Zach Taylor era.

856
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: And I walked away from that press conference thinking that

857
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: sounded like every other Monday press conference I hear, and

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00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: I hope that's just on the outside. I hope it's

859
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 2: not business as normal at the stadium because if so,

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Speaker 2: that's an issue because what's going on right now isn't working.

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Speaker 2: Something has to be changed, whether that's their approach or

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Speaker 2: how they attack the week. But the messaging of seemingly

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Speaker 2: just another week. You know, we're close, and we got

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Speaker 2: to work on some things, and we got to check

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Speaker 2: to taitus. To me, that's run its course, especially after

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Speaker 2: a loss as bad as the loss to the New

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Speaker 2: York Jets. We'll discuss that loss and more, the man

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Speaker 2: that covers the Bengals and so much more for Fox

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Speaker 2: nineteen Joe Daniman when we returned on the Home of

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Speaker 2: A right, let's go our number two. ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station running on fumes. If you're one of

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Speaker 2: those that stayed up to watch history last night, Dodgers

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Speaker 2: beat the Toronto Blue Jays in eighteen innings on a

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Speaker 2: Freddie Freeman walk off. After show, he Otani we reached

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Speaker 2: base nine times. What does Otani have for the encore?

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Speaker 2: He'll take the mountain night. In Game four against the

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Speaker 2: Toronto Blue Jays, Dodgers lead that series now to one.

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Speaker 2: All over our local sports coverage. Is our guest here

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Speaker 2: to kick off our number two each and every Tuesday

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Speaker 2: from Fox nineteen, Joe Danoman. Yet, what's up, joe Y?

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Speaker 16: You know how the announcers say at the end of

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Speaker 16: a baseball game, stay tuned for your late local news.

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Speaker 16: What happens when it's the morning shows that to me.

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Speaker 2: And I know you already hashed this out with Moeger.

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Speaker 2: At what point during that game last night did you

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Speaker 2: know that you weren't going to be talking after the game?

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Speaker 16: At about they pulled the plug on us and told

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Speaker 16: us to go home. So yeah, I was able to

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Speaker 16: get out of there. And I think back to some

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Speaker 16: of the epic baseball games in great moments that we've

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Speaker 16: seen in the last twenty five years. The Aaron Boone

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Speaker 16: walk off home run against the Red Sox was like,

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Speaker 16: the only pitch I missed in that game is I

902
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Speaker 16: was like running down the hall to get something. I

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Speaker 16: came back and I missed it. So last night when

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Speaker 16: we left, I was driving way too fast to get

905
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Speaker 16: home to make sure I saw the end of the game.

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Speaker 16: Little that I know, I would still have like four

907
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Speaker 16: innings left by the time I got home.

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Speaker 3: So what's it like for you guys there at the

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Speaker 3: Fox nineteen studios, because you you work on the show.

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Speaker 3: Do you get all the show done and everything that

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Speaker 3: you're supposed to be doing. Do you just kind of

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Speaker 3: sit around and watch the game together or are you

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Speaker 3: working on other stuff for today?

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Speaker 2: Like what's going on? Take us inside the room.

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Speaker 10: That's a great question.

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Speaker 16: Okay, So at that point, we're down to about five

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Speaker 16: or six people left in the news room, and everybody's

918
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Speaker 16: looking to me to tell them when this is going

919
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Speaker 16: to end. Like, because I work in sports, I can

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Speaker 16: predict when this baseball game is going to be finished.

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Speaker 16: So they're asking for ballpart times.

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Speaker 10: And I say, this thing could go till three.

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Speaker 16: In the morning, or it can be over on the

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Speaker 16: next pitch. I have no answer for you. However, I'm

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Speaker 16: the only one there who's excited because we're witnessing one

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Speaker 16: of the great moments in baseball history, and I tell

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Speaker 16: them all the time, I'd be home watching this game anyway,

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Speaker 16: so I might as well be at work watching it

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Speaker 16: and getting ready to.

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Speaker 17: Do a show.

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Speaker 16: So yeah, I tried to work ahead, got a few

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Speaker 16: things done that I posted socially, and you try to

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Speaker 16: take the work that would have been on air and

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Speaker 16: posted socially to your social media accounts. But there's only

935
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Speaker 16: so much you can do when you're waiting three hours.

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Speaker 16: So most of the time people are sitting around lamenting

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Speaker 16: the fact that they could be home going to bed,

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Speaker 16: and I'm all fired up because I'd be at home watching.

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Speaker 10: The game anyway.

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Speaker 3: Following up on that with social media, how has your

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Speaker 3: life changed since you went viral last week with the

942
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Speaker 3: Joe Flacco clip?

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Speaker 10: Isn't that something? And I had no idea, Austin.

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Speaker 16: We were in the middle of shooting our Bengals Live

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Speaker 16: show at Newport, so I was unplugged for a good

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Speaker 16: forty five minutes, and then we were in a commercial

947
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Speaker 16: break and I looked at my phone and it was

948
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Speaker 16: a text from you about something going viral, and I'm like,

949
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Speaker 16: what are you talking about? And I slipped on my

950
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Speaker 16: Twitter and I showed it to Jeremy.

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Speaker 10: I said, this thing.

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Speaker 16: Has fifteen thousand likes and like an hour and a half,

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Speaker 16: I'm like, what is it about this that relates and

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Speaker 16: resonates so much with people?

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Speaker 18: Now?

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Speaker 10: What relates and resonates with me? Because I'm a mid.

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Speaker 16: Forties guy with three kids who loves to eat alone.

958
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Speaker 10: But I've always been that way. So the fact.

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Speaker 16: That that one went wild, I'm you never know, right.

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Speaker 16: And the funny thing about that tweet was I was

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Speaker 16: sitting around at the stadium just finishing up my work

962
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Speaker 16: and Jeremy still had something else to do. So I

963
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Speaker 16: was like, how can I say fill this last five

964
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Speaker 16: to ten minutes with something productive? Oh yeah, Joe Flacco

965
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Speaker 16: said something kind of fun during his press conference. I'll

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Speaker 16: share that on social media and there it goes.

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Speaker 2: One more. I want to get to the Bengals. But

968
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Speaker 2: on the game last night, you're watching along and I

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Speaker 2: just had the chance last week or whenever it was

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Speaker 2: we were on the road with I was sitting with

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Speaker 2: Mo and we're watching o'tanni strike out ten and hit

972
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Speaker 2: three home runs in a game, and I'm thinking to myself,

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Speaker 2: he's doing something I'm never going to see in my

974
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Speaker 2: lifetime anyone else do. And then last night I'm thinking

975
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Speaker 2: the same thing. I'm never going to see anyone on

976
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Speaker 2: this stage ever put together a performance like show hey

977
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 2: Otani is doing. You're a sports fan. You've grown up

978
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: in a time and Austin and I hit on it earlier.

979
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Speaker 2: You've been able to see Tiger and Jordan and Lebron

980
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: and Steph Curry and Otani and Tom Brady, and you

981
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: can go down the list of all these greats. Where

982
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 2: does last night rank for you? On just an individual

983
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: accomplishment that is never going to be replicated for us?

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Speaker 16: You mentioned all the people that I have seen throughout

985
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Speaker 16: my life and been privileged to watch play.

986
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 10: I think about the people that I've.

987
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Speaker 16: Never seen play and the legends and the stories you

988
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Speaker 16: hear of them. And I was thinking last night as

989
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Speaker 16: he was walked for the fourth time and on base

990
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Speaker 16: for the eighth time, thinking, in one hundred years from now,

991
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Speaker 16: are people going to talk about Sho Heo Tani the

992
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Speaker 16: way that we talk about Babe Ruth. And that's what's

993
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 16: really interesting to me. Now it'll be different because they'll

994
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 16: have video available, and they'll have more stories available, and

995
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 16: so much more written and shown and recorded of what

996
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 16: Show Hay's done compared to what Babe Ruth did. But

997
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 16: are we gonna look back in one hundred years? And

998
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 16: I kind of laughed to myself, Or are kids gonna say, oh, look,

999
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 16: he was only hitting against guys who were throwing a hundred.

1000
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 16: He was playing against a bunch of plumbers, you know,

1001
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Speaker 16: because people are going to evolve, people are going to change,

1002
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 16: and guys are gonna throw one hundred and fifteen, one

1003
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Speaker 16: hundred and twenty miles an hour in one hundred years.

1004
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 16: And are we going to appreciate Sho heo Tani the

1005
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Speaker 16: way we talk about legends like Babe Ruth. To me,

1006
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 16: it's like this, there are a handful of people that

1007
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Speaker 16: transcend sports fans in the pop culture, and he's one

1008
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 16: of those guys that I can be. And I'll be

1009
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 16: tonight at home watching the game, and when Sho Haotani hits,

1010
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 16: I'll say to my family, who's around the house doing

1011
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 16: other things, Show hayes up, and everybody will come around

1012
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 16: the TV, including my wife, who isn't a huge baseball fan.

1013
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 16: She loves the Reds, but outside of that, she'll come

1014
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 16: watch and see what sho hao Tani does, and to me,

1015
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 16: that's the measure of someone who's not just a sports star,

1016
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Speaker 16: but an icon, and that's what sho Haotani has become.

1017
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Speaker 16: On top of it, the guy's extremely likable and I

1018
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 16: find him fascinating to watch the way he handles himself,

1019
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 16: the way he carries himself, considering his star power, and

1020
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Speaker 16: the way he has globally. I just think it's a

1021
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 16: cool thing to know that at one hundred years, when

1022
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 16: we're long gone, Tony, that people are going to be

1023
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 16: talking about a guy that we got to watch every

1024
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Speaker 16: single day when we wanted to.

1025
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Speaker 2: Let's switch gears. I hate to do it. We've got

1026
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about the Bengals and the Jets.

1027
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: Thirty nine thirty eight, five hundred and two yards of

1028
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 2: total offense for the Jets. We'll have a comment or

1029
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: two about the offensive side of the ball. Let's start

1030
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 2: with the defense, Joe, somehow, some way, after the historically

1031
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 2: bad defense we saw last year, they're worse in many

1032
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 2: categories this year. How have we gotten to this point

1033
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 2: and is it something that can be fixed over the

1034
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: course of an offseason or does this take multiple years

1035
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,959
Speaker 2: now to do well.

1036
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 16: I'd love to play back our conversations and us talking

1037
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 16: about this defense going back to training camp and off

1038
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 16: seasons and talking about how they weren't going to fix

1039
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 16: this just in one offseason, but they can start to

1040
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 16: take steps, and how we said we're not going to

1041
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 16: be fooled by what they do in training camp or

1042
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 16: what people say about them. We're not going to be

1043
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 16: fooled about how they look and we won. We're really

1044
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 16: going to judge this team when it's real, when they're

1045
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 16: playing real offenses. And here we are halfway through a

1046
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 16: season and they are who we thought they were. They

1047
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 16: just did not add enough difference making talent to take

1048
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 16: the kind of leap that they would need to take

1049
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 16: from last year to this year. They invested in change

1050
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Speaker 16: in coordinator, they invested in change in draft capital, and

1051
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Speaker 16: it hasn't added up to enough for this team to

1052
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Speaker 16: be better defensively. Now, I had the idea of Sunday

1053
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Speaker 16: night when I got back and we were talking amongst

1054
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Speaker 16: ourselves in the sports department about what's the deal with

1055
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Speaker 16: the Bengals defense, And it's so simplistic to me, It's

1056
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Speaker 16: just a lack of elite talent and you look at

1057
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Speaker 16: what this team has done. They've chosen that way to

1058
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Speaker 16: build their defense, that way being draft, develop, and try

1059
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Speaker 16: to keep, and it hasn't worked. I challenge you to

1060
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Speaker 16: go back and look at the Bengals drafts and find

1061
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Speaker 16: the last time they drafted someone who turned into a star.

1062
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Speaker 16: And I think locally we would argue Jesse Bates in

1063
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Speaker 16: twenty eighteen was a star here in Cincinnati, but I

1064
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 16: don't think he's a national football star the way some

1065
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 16: of these defensive players are talked about around the league.

1066
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Speaker 16: You go back then to twenty ten in Gino Watkins,

1067
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 16: a guy who's going to be in the Ring of Honor,

1068
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Speaker 16: a guy who deserves a fair shake for the Hall

1069
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Speaker 16: of Fame.

1070
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Speaker 10: I mean, those are really the only two star.

1071
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Speaker 16: Players I can find in the last fifteen years of drafting.

1072
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Speaker 16: And that's the plan and the only way this team

1073
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Speaker 16: can do this to fix their defense because of what

1074
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 16: they spent offensively. The plan was pay the guys on offense, draft, develop,

1075
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 16: and hope they develop into good players on defense, and

1076
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 16: it hasn't worked. It's simple to me. We can talk

1077
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 16: about tackling, we can talk about schemes, we can talk

1078
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 16: about coaching, to me, it's about the talent. There's not

1079
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 16: enough elite talent on this defense for them to close

1080
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 16: the gap from what they were last year to getting

1081
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 16: better and being functional this year.

1082
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 2: So, saying that, and I completely agree with that centem it,

1083
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 2: how do you lean on any faith that next year

1084
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 2: it'll be different, that though all of a sudden be

1085
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 2: able to evaluate these players differently and they'll hit home

1086
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 2: runs in the draft, because there has been so many misses,

1087
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 2: So how could you have faith that going into the

1088
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 2: next draft things would be different.

1089
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 12: You don't.

1090
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 16: And that's the reality of the situation. And that's what's

1091
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 16: so worrisome I would think for Cincinnati Bengals fans, is

1092
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 16: you don't have that faith that they will be better that, Oh,

1093
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 16: give them six more swings, they're bound to hit a

1094
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 16: home run at some point. Well, they've had a lot

1095
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 16: of swings and they haven't hit home runs, and so

1096
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 16: at some point you just wonder how many times are

1097
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 16: they going to strike out before a change is made. Now,

1098
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 16: I'll say this to that point too, is I've brought

1099
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 16: up many times when it came to roster construction, is

1100
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 16: signing T Higgins the best thing for this roster. Could

1101
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 16: you take that money and spend it elsewhere? And the

1102
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 16: question would be do you trust that they had that

1103
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 16: money they would spend it correctly or if they spend.

1104
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 10: It at all. So it's almost a.

1105
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 16: Moot conversation to have about what they should have or

1106
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 16: shouldn't have done with TM Higgins because there's no faith

1107
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 16: what they would have done with that money in the

1108
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 16: first place. So yeah, I think you have to question

1109
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 16: that can they use another offseason to get this thing fixed?

1110
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 16: Because they just took five swings at it in the draft,

1111
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 16: They just made a change at defensive coordinator and all

1112
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 16: that investment and change, the net return is zilch. It

1113
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 16: hasn't been better, And that to me has to be

1114
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 16: the most worrisome thing going forward is there's no track

1115
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 16: record of this thing being any better next year.

1116
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 3: Well, the good news is Joe that there was a

1117
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 3: player's only defensive meeting yesterday, which that can only mean

1118
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 3: good things, right, Like, what did you hear, if anything

1119
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 3: about that meeting? And you know, do we know who

1120
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 3: let it or or if there are any leaders emerging

1121
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 3: on the defense as they go through this.

1122
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 16: So I spent some time with Demetrious Night yesterday and

1123
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,439
Speaker 16: he did his big media scrum, and then I wanted

1124
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 16: to spend some time for this purpose to ask these

1125
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 16: kinds of questions. And he wouldn't go into detail of

1126
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 16: who spoke, but he said, in general, some names, and

1127
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,439
Speaker 16: then the names you would expect the guys that he

1128
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 16: had stood up and were leaders in that point, the

1129
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 16: BJ Hills, the older guys on defense. The Trey Hendrickson

1130
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 16: is another name he mentioned. And I asked him, can

1131
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 16: young guys be leaders, because some of these defensive players

1132
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 16: are in position to be leaders. And he fixed the

1133
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 16: profile of a guy that you would want speaking in

1134
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 16: that meeting, considering his age, his maturity, his position, and

1135
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 16: he said, the best thing a young person can do

1136
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 16: to be a leader when of his age of his experience.

1137
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 10: Is be a good listener.

1138
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 16: And so that told me at that point that he

1139
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 16: didn't feel comfortable standing up in front of that room

1140
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 16: and having guys listen to him. And how could you

1141
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 16: if you're if you're a Barrett Carter and a Demetrious

1142
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 16: Knight and you're not playing well enough for for guys

1143
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 16: to want to rally around you and.

1144
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 10: Listen to what you say. And I spoke and I

1145
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 10: spent some.

1146
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 16: Time with him about the tackling thing, because you know,

1147
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 16: we've talked about the tackling thing, and I've been curious

1148
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 16: of what guys can do in practice to help this

1149
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 16: throughout the year because once you get out of training camp, there.

1150
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 10: Just isn't a lot of hitting there.

1151
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 16: There isn't going to the ground. And he said, well,

1152
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 16: on Thursdays, they they do go to padded practice. And

1153
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 16: he made some changes last week when going against the

1154
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 16: scout team about tackling with his feet and being present

1155
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 16: with his feet and running through defenders and studdying when

1156
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 16: he can, and he thought it made a difference in

1157
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 16: his game and he shared that with some teammates and

1158
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 16: he thought that might help them going forward. So we

1159
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 16: don't know exactly what Zach Taylor means when he says

1160
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 16: they have to get creative in practice about helping these

1161
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 16: guys tackle. He wouldn't give those details even off the record,

1162
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 16: but Demetrius and I did shed some light on some

1163
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 16: Thursday ideas and some Thursday sutting that can help this

1164
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 16: team maybe go forward with the tackling. But to me,

1165
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 16: it all comes.

1166
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 10: Back to just a lack of ability a lack of talent.

1167
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 10: We hear the word hesitancy.

1168
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 16: I think that comes with guys not having confidence in themselves,

1169
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 16: and guys don't have confidence in themselves as they're not

1170
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 16: elite players, and I think that's where it still comes down.

1171
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 2: That's that's the hard part. When you have a player's

1172
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 2: only meeting whoever speaking you want to hear from, but

1173
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: you're also as a player thinking, well, what's this guy

1174
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 2: talking about. I'm watching his tape and it's not much

1175
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 2: better than mine. So they they don't have enough players

1176
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 2: playing an elite level that you're looking for a leader,

1177
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 2: and I don't know how you establish one. Have you

1178
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,439
Speaker 2: have you at Fox nineteen. Have you had to call

1179
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 2: a meeting of that nature at any time?

1180
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 10: No, because we tackle well with Channel nineteen, I have.

1181
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 16: I have had meetings with younger people that I work with,

1182
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 16: but but listen.

1183
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 10: And those those come.

1184
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 16: I've been in the business for twenty four to twenty

1185
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 16: five years, so I can I can speak from a

1186
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 16: position of experience and a position of teaching, and I

1187
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 16: wouldn't feel comfortable when I was working under Dan Horde,

1188
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 16: when I was working under Brian Deesen's law, when I

1189
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 16: was working under Zach Wells, guys that I work with

1190
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 16: and respect so much to stand in a room and

1191
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 16: try to tell them to follow me or do it

1192
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 16: a certain way so I can see the point that

1193
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 16: a guy like Demetrius Knight is making, that that a

1194
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 16: Barrett Carter is making. And I go back to some

1195
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 16: of the off season conversations I had with the guys

1196
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 16: like Jordan Battle who who said they wanted to empower

1197
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 16: those kind of guys to be young guys in positions

1198
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 16: of importance, to have that feeling that they can go

1199
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 16: in front of the team and speak it. But it

1200
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 16: just doesn't work that way until you have, as you said,

1201
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 16: the tape to prove you're a guy you're an alpha,

1202
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 16: or the experience that.

1203
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 10: Proves you're a guy you're an alpha.

1204
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 16: You don't feel comfortable doing that, and you know we've

1205
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,919
Speaker 16: entered the players only portion of the season that that's

1206
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 16: never a good thing for a season.

1207
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 10: We'll see what it's made of.

1208
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 16: And Zach Taylor was different on Sunday. You don't see

1209
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 16: Zach oftentimes kind of go at his team a little bit.

1210
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 16: The way he did call players out the way he

1211
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 16: did didn't do it by name, but in general he

1212
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 16: typically doesn't do that.

1213
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 19: It typically is.

1214
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 16: An accountability on him that it starts with him stops

1215
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 16: with him. So for him to challenge the defense the way.

1216
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 10: He did, maybe that resonates.

1217
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 16: Maybe it makes a difference because it does feel like

1218
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 16: a season again back on life support after the loss

1219
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 16: against the Jets.

1220
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 2: On the offensive side of the ball, it's hard to

1221
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 2: pick apart much of what the offense is done. They're

1222
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 2: running the ball much better, they've protected better, Flacco has

1223
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 2: been spreading the ball out. Two things that I go

1224
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 2: back to. One, you have to find a way to

1225
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 2: target t Higgins more than twice in a football game

1226
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 2: in the NFL. And I don't know if that's a

1227
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor thing, if there's someone on staff that needs

1228
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 2: to maybe remind Zac at times of hey, I know

1229
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: things are going crazy here, but just so you know,

1230
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 2: you know, we're at the point of the game and

1231
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 2: he's got two touches. The other thing to me is

1232
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 2: wide receiver number three. Austin alluded to some statistics earlier

1233
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 2: about the lack of separation by andre Yoshivash, not making

1234
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 2: contested catches and the drop totals that he's had this year,

1235
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 2: and at the same time, Mitchell Tinsley is not getting

1236
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 2: many reps. Jermaine Burton, who I think had a good

1237
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 2: training camp, he was drafted in the third round, is

1238
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 2: not getting an opportunity. Does this team need to evaluate

1239
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: wide receiver number three in your opinion?

1240
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 19: So we spoke with Andre Yoshibats yesterday and you can

1241
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 19: find those clips, and it was interesting that it didn't

1242
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 19: feel like Andre fully understood the criticism that was starting

1243
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 19: to come his way.

1244
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 10: That that I'm.

1245
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 16: Not sure he's aware that the finger pointing in the

1246
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 16: crosshairs that he's in with the fan base at this point,

1247
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 16: which I found interesting from him not knowing that or

1248
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 16: having a sent that that's happening.

1249
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 10: The issue I would.

1250
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 16: Have with wide receiver number three is who fits the

1251
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 16: profile of filling in that position. From watching Jermaine Burton,

1252
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 16: Jermaine Burton didn't look like he would be successful as

1253
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 16: a slot wide receiver in that short space separation.

1254
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 10: I didn't see it.

1255
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 16: He looked like an outside receiver to me, So I

1256
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 16: don't know if there's really a position for him to

1257
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 16: go in and fill in for Andrea Yoshivas. The same

1258
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 16: thing goes with Mitchell Tinsey. Mitchell Tinsey looks like an

1259
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 16: outside wide receiver option, and I'm not sure he exactly

1260
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 16: fits the profile what they're looking for at a guy

1261
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 16: at that spot.

1262
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 10: And I think that's.

1263
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 16: Why you've seen them stick with Andre Yoshibas through a

1264
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 16: lot of his struggles here so far this season. You know,

1265
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 16: he talked in the offseason, even Joe Burrow did, about

1266
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 16: his ability and his growth in making contested catches, and

1267
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 16: it just hasn't shown up so far in games this year.

1268
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 16: But even if Mitchell Tindley and Jermaine Burton don't fit

1269
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 16: the profile necessarily of what the Bengals are looking for

1270
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 16: from a third wide receiver, maybe maybe that's something they

1271
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 16: have to work on more. Maybe that's something they have

1272
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 16: to experiment more with during practice, and maybe that's something

1273
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 16: during the bye week that they spend a lot of

1274
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 16: time on to give someone else a shot. Because even

1275
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 16: if they don't profile as well as a Yoshi vas

1276
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 16: or a Tyler Voyd at that position, the third receiver

1277
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:57,919
Speaker 16: next to Tea and Jamar Chase, certainly someone else could

1278
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 16: be more productive in that spot to go with Andre,

1279
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 16: and the drops right now just aren't good enough. And

1280
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 16: the team needs more from him, and then as far

1281
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 16: as he goes, yeah, just throwing the ball more. I

1282
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 16: think when you go look at the box square to

1283
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 16: the game, the coaches are going to look at each

1284
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 16: other and say, Okay, how many targets to Jamar and

1285
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 16: only two to Tea. They invested way too much money

1286
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:20,439
Speaker 16: in that guy for him owing to get the ball

1287
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 16: thrown to him twice before I.

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Speaker 2: Let you go, Joe. The UC Bearcats head to Utah

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01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 2: late start Saturday night. They're getting nine and a half

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Speaker 2: points in this game. Why is this a tough matchup

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Speaker 2: in your opinion?

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01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 10: Because of the.

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Speaker 16: Way Utah runs the ball and their philosophy on offense. Now,

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Speaker 16: a lot of this is going to hinge on Utah's

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Speaker 16: quarterback Devin dan Pier. He did not play last week.

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Speaker 16: They played a true freshman and he was electric against Colorado.

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Speaker 16: Now that was Colorado when it looked like Colorado let

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Speaker 16: go of the rope about midway through the second quarter.

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Speaker 16: But the way that Utah plays, the physicality on an

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01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 16: off their commitment to running the ball is going to

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01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 16: be a strength on what's been a bit of a

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01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 16: soft spot for UC defensively. So I can understand why

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01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 16: the point spread is the way it is, but I

1304
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 16: think it hinges on how healthy is Devin Dan Pierce

1305
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 16: Ankle Will he be himself? Because when he's himself he's

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01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 16: as dangerous of a two way threat as anybody in

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01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 16: the conference that includes Brendan Sorsby, but Storesby and that

1308
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:30,799
Speaker 16: offense gives you see a chance against anybody in this conference.

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01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 16: I think that the point total is spread right now

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01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 16: is too high, but I think that really does depend

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Speaker 16: on what they get out of their quarterback at Utah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe Daniman Fox nineteen. What do you got coming

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01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 2: up this week? Joe?

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Speaker 16: Gentlemen, The yeat streak has been extended three times by

1315
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 16: a total of six different people at the game, including

1316
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 16: a row of four guys who all yelled yeat at

1317
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 16: the exact same time at the State which was awesome.

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Speaker 16: Wednesday Night Live at Newport on the Levee, Orlando Brown

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01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 16: Junior and Amrius Mim will join in our live Bengals

1320
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 16: show on Wednesday night and then Friday night, Halloween Night

1321
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 16: high School football playoff the final quarter of eighty You

1322
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 16: can't miss it.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome stuff. Always appreciate your time Joe, we'll talk

1324
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 2: again next week. Thanks Joe. Here day, that's Joe Daniman.

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Speaker 2: This is SINCY three to sixty. Your talkbacks are next

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 9: Now your chance to win at thout those versus pause

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01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 9: when the Bengals and Bears battle in the jungle. One

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01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 9: thing I know for sure, somebody's getting mold. Will the

1330
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 9: Orange and Black pounced on the wind or will the

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01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 9: team from the Windy City blow away our beloved Bengals.

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Speaker 9: Coverage begins Sunday at nine am. Scream for free are

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Speaker 9: the new and improved iHeartRadio app or ESPN fifteen thirty

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01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 9: of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 20: It's not time for talkbacks. Briss on microphone and record

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01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 20: you miss all for Austin.

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Speaker 2: Please keep it green and don't be mean. That had

1338
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 2: a sprinkle sprinkle drip of blood of blood. It's that

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01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 2: time for talkbacks.

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Speaker 20: It's our favorite part of sin C three sixty. So Austin, buddy,

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01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 20: play those hawk backs on your screen and please turn

1342
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 20: out to sabotage it. Wow, sabotage by.

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01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 2: Unbelievable man. It just gets better and better.

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Speaker 3: I didn't tell you about that I actually I had

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01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 3: loaded that in and forgot and uh wow, how great

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01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 3: is that? Incredible talent MVP level, incredible town MVP.

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01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 21: I'm Bobblehead has a better chance of catching the ball

1348
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 21: this year than you know what she does.

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Speaker 9: I mean, what's happened in this, dude?

1350
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 2: And so the defense has a player's only meeting yesterday?

1351
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 10: Uh where was this set like three or four weeks ago?

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01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 22: Players only meeting Hall of Famer Austin Elmore. This is

1353
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 22: Jim Happy Tuesday. You know where the Bengals are concerned.

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01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 22: I don't think anybody's really going to lose their job, but.

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01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 2: Zach and al.

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Speaker 22: They could take the rest of the season and maybe

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01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 22: shift the personal paradigm it's been set here on three sixty.

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Speaker 22: You know, not loving the duke either, But if you

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01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 22: want to be my lay tech salesman, invoke the Costanza ruler.

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Speaker 2: It's off to Del Boca Vista and no soup for you.

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01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 2: Nixt uk uk Tobin uk Tobin.

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Speaker 23: Health Traffic Center, where our gastro entyrologists reminded you to

1363
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 23: get colidoscope to check for cold cancers.

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Speaker 2: The Bengels defense.

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01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 23: Release the higher contents of their colds all over the

1366
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 23: field in the fourth quarter, Tony, how could I get

1367
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 23: fired and promoted at the same time. Maybe make it

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01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:15,879
Speaker 23: Eddie Zellick's traffic with Traffic I bet he zelk.

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Speaker 2: A great question.

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Speaker 3: That is an excellent question. Oh Forveedie Zelick, great job.

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Speaker 24: Do you know the last time the Bengals drafted an

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Speaker 24: offensive lineman and actually give the second contract? It was

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01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 24: Clint Bowling and that dude retired in twenty nineteen. I've

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01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 24: been on the fire Zach Taylor bandwagon, but I'm walking

1375
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Speaker 24: that back because the next question is always who you're

1376
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 24: gonna get I don't know who are your top three

1377
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 24: candidates right now?

1378
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Speaker 25: If Zach Taylor gets.

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Speaker 24: Fired tomorrow, who are they? Because they're not going to

1380
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 24: magically make this defense tackle?

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01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 2: Well, that's what a coaching touch would be. I would

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Speaker 2: mention Joe Brady would be at the top of the list.

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Speaker 3: I hope not. I guess you could at least consider him.

1384
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 3: Joe Brady, John Gruden, WHOA Doug Peterson?

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01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 2: Oh? Anybody else really stand out? Peterson would be an

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01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 2: interesting one. I think that would be an interesting Yeah.

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Speaker 16: The Lord, Hey, I got a question for you, Tony Austin.

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01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 17: What was that stuff that Aaron Rodgers was sniffing on

1389
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 17: that Sunday night game.

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Speaker 26: Is it illegal?

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01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 2: Is he gonna get suspended? Nope, it's just smelling salts illegal.

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Speaker 27: So yesterday on Tony Pike's Tony IMO Football Show featuring

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01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 27: Tony Pike, you guys played Zax presser, during which he

1394
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 27: was preaching about not wanting the players to make the

1395
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 27: same mistake twice. Coach I saw five guys make the

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01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 27: exact same mistake on the same play, but anyway they

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01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 27: come back. Moo mentioned that it was a shorter than

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01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 27: usual presser. Well, that's because that had a game plan

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01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 27: for once and it was executed the perfection. As soon

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01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 27: as there was three to five seconds of silence, he's

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01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 27: gonna jet jay e t J jet jet.

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Speaker 8: Hey, guys, hope you're doing well. I just wanted to

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01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 8: reach out and ask if anyone has approached Duke Tobin

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Speaker 8: for comment.

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01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 3: I would imagine people have asked to talk to Duke

1406
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 3: and the answer has probably been no.

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Speaker 2: Any chance we hear from Duke at the bye week No.

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01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 2: I can speak for me personally. I haven't reached out

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01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 2: to try to get comment from Duke. I know that

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01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 2: people who often do are often told no, thank you. Sorry.

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01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 25: Hey, guys, Stephen Montgomery, just reaching out to I read

1412
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,759
Speaker 25: that the Browns have the third rank defense in the NFL.

1413
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 2: So I have a great idea. Call Cleveland.

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01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 25: They were dumb enoughs to give us FLACKO for a.

1415
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 28: Song, Offer them our entire defense for their entire defense,

1416
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 28: and they can have our next two drafts.

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01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 10: Entirely. I'm only partly.

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01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 25: Kidding, because wow, I mean, they could totally rebuild can

1419
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 25: a bunch of guys, but desperate times, guys.

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01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:09,759
Speaker 2: All right, you'ret's throw that in the hopper.

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Speaker 29: Hey, Tim, Hey Adam, this is former Alabama coach Nick Saban.

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01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,560
Speaker 29: I just wanted to Collin said, I cannot wait to

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01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 29: see the Cincinnata Wildcats out of Utah this Saturday.

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01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 2: As you know, I'll be there for college game Day.

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01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 6: Uh.

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01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 29: Looking for big things out of Brandon Surly.

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01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 30: Uh.

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01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,759
Speaker 29: Coach Kenney Saderfield number point guard really has him running

1429
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 29: on the tight shift this year, and I think he's

1430
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Speaker 29: gonna make a real run.

1431
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 2: It has been, has been. You should have won, Tim Brendan, Soy.

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Speaker 30: Tony, Tony, Tucky, mister Gilmour.

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Speaker 31: Tony.

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Speaker 30: I think Duke Tobin and his inability to draft and

1435
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 30: develop players is awfully similar to Bowy.

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01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,719
Speaker 28: Ain't easy in his efforts in memorial they turned wow.

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01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 30: I mean, if you think about it, he's had different players,

1438
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 30: He's gonna acquire different people, and they haven't hand out.

1439
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 30: He's always got this phantom fourth guy showing.

1440
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 2: Up that never shuts.

1441
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 30: I mean, it's very similar to Jake Tobin and now

1442
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 30: he runs the bangle.

1443
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 2: That is a great correlation. That is facts. So player

1444
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 2: personnel and ain't easy. Yep, you got a fort you

1445
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 2: just can't American the Creek.

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01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 31: I know I'm a day late, but I got a

1447
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 31: pile on Zach Taylor. No, you don't get any credit

1448
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 31: for the offense the last couple of weeks. That is

1449
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 31: one hundred percent Jamar Chase going off. And everybody talks

1450
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 31: about his record without Joe Burrow, which I think sits

1451
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 31: at nine and twenty seven at the moment, I think

1452
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,719
Speaker 31: the more damning stat is his record with Joe Burrow

1453
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 31: forty thirty and one. That's a fifty six win percentage

1454
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 31: with arguably the best quarterback on the plane.

1455
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 32: Oh, the Bengals lost Sunday. What a devastating gut punch

1456
01:16:56,680 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 32: that was Atani is unbelievable. The Brad Paisley thing is unbelievable.

1457
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 32: His mother in law is Emulu Harris. I like her

1458
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 32: a little bit, oh.

1459
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 2: Miles Murphy.

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Speaker 32: I mean, I don't know if they could get maybe

1461
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 32: a box and nails form.

1462
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 2: A show from Casey here.

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Speaker 18: You talk about bringing in free agents and people that

1464
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 18: are established in the league and proven track records. For me,

1465
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 18: that's even more case to get rid of the coaching staff.

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01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 20: They got to go.

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01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 18: Because they've done that on the O line. They brought

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01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 18: in people who've been in won super Bowls, all those things.

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Speaker 18: If you look at the past, you know, however many

1470
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 18: years and they all come here and just forget how.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or they don't develop, or they don't fit the system.

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Speaker 33: Rip in the city out here in sunny hot and Zona.

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01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 2: What up, Tony?

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Speaker 5: What up?

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Speaker 33: Buddy Man? F c cis Sinnatty. Gotta give you guys

1476
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 33: some love. The atmosphere is phenomenal. TG on the radio

1477
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 33: with fire homestickling at that crowd, beautiful Bengals Man. Our

1478
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 33: defense is wash mellows saw. Let's just be real straight

1479
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 33: bones on defense. Figure way to be Chicago, and I

1480
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 33: don't trust Dupe neither Utah.

1481
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 34: S in it.

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01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 33: The reason why the Big Twilo is on the map.

1483
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 33: We've got to come out there and smoke them. Used

1484
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 33: they ain't raising for this type of smoke. We'll running

1485
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 33: the Big twelve marshmallow soft. That's soft.

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01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, it's JD from Chicago, just thinking that with

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01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 7: the Bengals having to rebuild all four layers of their

1488
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 7: defense defensive line, linebackers, cornerbacks, safeties, is there too much

1489
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 7: overall needed to wait until next season to start this.

1490
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 7: Shouldn't they try to tackle at least one of those

1491
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 7: areas between now and the trade deadline?

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01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? I would, because I just don't trust that they

1493
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 2: can attack it in the offseason, because we just watched

1494
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 2: them fail miserably at attacking it in an off season.

1495
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 3: It would make sense to make moves now that help

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01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 3: you now and help you down the road. Or the

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01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 3: Bengals typically will put it off until later on and

1498
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 3: see what happens then. But it would make sense to

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01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 3: help yourself now if you can.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, I see no reason why this Bengals team should

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01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 17: be buyers in the deadline.

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Speaker 2: They should absolutely be sellers and.

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01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:21,600
Speaker 17: You outlined it yesterday. They're not close to winning or

1504
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 17: competing for anything right now, So one or two guys

1505
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 17: at the deadline in in gonna change that. There are

1506
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 17: so many holes in this team it is going to

1507
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 17: take multiple off seasons to fix the amount of holes.

1508
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 17: They got to compete for where they want to go

1509
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 17: and Ohio State plus two sixty to win it all.

1510
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 17: The next closest team is Indiana a plus six hundred.

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01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 2: That is a huge gap. Yeah, I think that gap

1512
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 2: is genuine as well.

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01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 3: I would sprinkle on Indiana by the way, em bullish

1514
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:49,440
Speaker 3: on the Hoosiers.

1515
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 2: I really think they can do it.

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01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 3: The problem with your argument there is the Bengals have

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01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:03,839
Speaker 3: one one sellable asset and it's Trey Henderson.

1518
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 2: And who's hurt? He may not play this week. Heard

1519
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 2: it the worst time possible. Correct.

1520
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 21: There's only one way for this team to make a

1521
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 21: complete three six team. The Cincinnati Bengals need to have

1522
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 21: one with blackburn girls come down to the sidelines with

1523
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 21: a headset on and listen to every play that comes in.

1524
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 2: For the d bridge.

1525
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 3: Don't hate that idea matter of fact, we have some

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01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 3: carly erse Gordon audio to get to.

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01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,759
Speaker 35: Tony Audie, I got some nice things to say about

1528
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 35: your main sponsor, Skyline. I was at Krager today and

1529
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 35: they were passing out samples of the Skyline chili made

1530
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 35: that chili made with chicken. Yes, it was really really close.

1531
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 35: They did a really good job of making that recipe.

1532
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 35: And I think if you made three ways, four ways,

1533
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 35: five ways at home, you wouldn't be able to tell

1534
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 35: it difference.

1535
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 3: And it's healthier, okay, Yeah, I'm not kidding, like it's

1536
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 3: unbelievably good, okay, And I think it's it's not exactly

1537
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 3: the same, but it's not dissimilar in a bad way.

1538
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 3: It's still good.

1539
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, Marcus from the grove. Marcus, you guys know me.

1540
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 28: Of course I stayed up to watch that game more

1541
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:26,679
Speaker 28: because I'm antiv ghost running rule in the regular season,

1542
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 28: so me watching extra inning games is real baseball to me,

1543
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 28: and I enjoy every second of it. To go to

1544
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 28: the Bengal side of it, people need to stop with

1545
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 28: the narrative of chalk the season up. Wait till next year,

1546
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 28: burrows on. They got a few years left and everybody

1547
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 28: does know he can leave.

1548
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,719
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't want to start down that path.

1549
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,440
Speaker 36: I've been very pessimistic about the twenty twenty five Cincinnati

1550
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 36: Bengals for the following reasons. Number one since Nati Bengal

1551
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 36: head cheerleader Dan Board on your show saying that how

1552
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 36: Golden was an upgrade from lou and Ariumo. Number two,

1553
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 36: Shamar Stewart's saying that the Bengals care more about winning

1554
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 36: arguments than winning number three numerosias and outing the Bengals

1555
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 36: for being cheap. Number four, Tony Pike's bleak training camp reports.

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01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 36: Number five Loogan Wilson asking for a mid season.

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01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 8: Training Damn, Hey, Tony, just wonder if you could speak

1558
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 8: to why when we watched the Bengals the field seems

1559
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 8: so small and when the Chiefs play, it seems so

1560
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 8: frigging big. It wasn't always that way, but I'm just

1561
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 8: thinking of how Kelsey will block and then leak out

1562
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 8: at the last minute, and there's just not a soul

1563
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:46,600
Speaker 8: around the man. Are the Bengals seeing these things as well?

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01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 9: Thanks, Buddy.

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01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 2: I've always said it'd be nice to just, you know,

1566
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 2: emulating and copycat from what other teams do successfully, but sure,

1567
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 2: whatever reason, it's just not in the cards.

1568
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 37: Hey, I noticed that during the very well deserved Ring

1569
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 37: of Honor ceremonies for a Lamb and Leap and Lamar,

1570
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 37: the Bengals did not introduce the other legends that were

1571
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 37: in attendance.

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01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 2: What is up with that?

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01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,679
Speaker 3: You don't have time for it? NFL halftimes only twelve minutes.

1574
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 3: You gotta do a video tribute to each of them.

1575
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 3: You got to get them both out there. You got

1576
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 3: to present them with the jacket. You got to take

1577
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:18,679
Speaker 3: the pictures. You got to get them off the field.

1578
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 3: Not enough time to roll through the other fifteen or

1579
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 3: twenty guys who might have been there.

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01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 25: I know who the top three candidates are. That would

1581
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 25: be the assistant running backs coach for the Patriots, or

1582
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:35,640
Speaker 25: the trainer for Seattle, or maybe the equipment manager for

1583
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 25: the Raiders. Heard they're all real good guys. Since we

1584
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 25: decided to hire a quarterback coach instead of a coordinator.

1585
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 38: I would trade Trey Hendrickson for two draft picks. Then

1586
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 38: I would trade for Max Crosby, give him a first

1587
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 38: and maybe a sixth, and then I'd get Thibodeaux from

1588
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 38: the Giants and give them a draft pick or two.

1589
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 2: And then I'd have two proven defensive ends.

1590
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 38: That rushed the passer and it wouldn't cost me much more.

1591
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 2: We we don't use our draft picks anyway. And then

1592
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 2: you wake up because you're in fantasy.

1593
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 12: Lambs come ba Hello Austin. Where where did Tony Tony?

1594
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 12: I mean where did the Brendan surline play a high

1595
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 12: school ball? Did he also play with with Tony at

1596
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 12: Indian Hill?

1597
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 2: No, Sworsby is a Texas guy. Did you think that

1598
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,600
Speaker 2: was funny? No, that was a bad one.

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01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,799
Speaker 21: Scott two thumbs and wants to be the next Notre

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01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 21: Dame coach to add to the coaching carrousel there in Cincinnati.

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01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 16: This seam last one thing, let's list, that's discipline. I've

1602
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 16: never had a team like this, man, my tired life.

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01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 10: I tell you something, folks, that be Doug.

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01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 2: You something man.

1605
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:12,879
Speaker 16: No one's ever drowned in sweat.

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01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 21: I'll have this team playing better than any coach from

1607
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 21: there Dame, and al Golden will be a sensational player.

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01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 3: Hey coach, thank you, lou If al Golden's the head coach,

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01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 3: we got issue.

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01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 2: No one's ever drowned in sweat. That's a good line

1611
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 2: right there. That was our last one, very good. Let's

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01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 2: break let's come back hour two to finish up with

1613
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 2: and it's not drowning in sweat, but it's winning a

1614
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 2: phone booth. Austin. You heard that quote, winning in a

1615
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 2: phone booth. Yep. Scott Saderfield wants his players to take

1616
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 2: their opponents in the phone booth. He wants to dominate them.

1617
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:49,600
Speaker 3: I think he needs to drag him out to that

1618
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 3: deep water phone booth. You'd know where to hide when

1619
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 3: you're in a phone booth, That's where That's what he wants.

1620
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 3: He doesn't want any want to be able to hide

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01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 3: from him.

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01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, man. We'll talk and listen to what

1623
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 2: Scott's Ouderfield has to say to kick off our three.

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01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 2: Still got to finish up hour two next on the

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Speaker 2: Home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station

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Speaker 2: Johnny Knoxville. Here, this is Dave Lapplock and you're listening

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Speaker 2: to the Home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: This is Football in the Natti Grutch You in part

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Speaker 1: by Bud Light and by Oakley Greens on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:29,520
Speaker 1: the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 2: Welcome back since he three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 2: Sports Station, Shout out to our friends at Cincy Shirts.

1633
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 2: You played austin the Jamar Chase audio yesterday. Yeah, what

1634
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 2: did you make of the tone? I had people ask

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01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 2: me what I thought of the tone of Jamar Chase

1636
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 2: and do you have a problem with what he had

1637
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,639
Speaker 2: to say? Look, I think Jamar Chase is a leader

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01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 2: on this team.

1639
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 8: Now.

1640
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 2: I also think Jamar Chase is a is a guy

1641
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 2: that wears his emotions on his sleeves. And I think

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01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 2: more than anything, Jamar Chase is a guy that wants

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01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 2: to win, does not care for he has twenty catches

1644
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 2: or two catches. He wants to win. And many times

1645
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 2: in his post game he was asked about the defense,

1646
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 2: he said, I don't play defense, I play offense. Asked

1647
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 2: them yep. Many times in the post game he said,

1648
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 2: that's not a question for me. Asked the head coach

1649
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 2: asked Zach Taylor. Yeah, I don't have an issue with

1650
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 2: that from your star player.

1651
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 3: And it's not abnormal. He's given that answer before. Correct

1652
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 3: not my job or that's a question for Zach.

1653
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 2: That's my thing.

1654
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 3: If it's true, then I appreciate the honesty like that.

1655
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:36,639
Speaker 2: That, to me is what I want in a leader.

1656
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 2: I don't want someone to sugarcoat things and say, well,

1657
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 2: we've got to be better, we'll get back to the

1658
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 2: drawing board. I want a guy that say, listen, we

1659
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 2: essentially we put up thirty eight points. I don't play defense.

1660
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 2: Go talk to them, make them answer for it. I'm

1661
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 2: not the head coach. Go ask him. He was also,

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01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,639
Speaker 2: I thought, as critical as he could be. He said, listen,

1663
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, they doubled me. They doubled They

1664
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 2: put single coverage on Dray Mean and andre Yoshi Vashon,

1665
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 2: they blitzed. That's essentially him saying, if you're single covered,

1666
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 2: you gotta win. I don't have a problem with any

1667
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 2: of it.

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01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 3: Also, you know, there's a difference between you know, Ted

1669
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 3: Carris is saying, we scored thirty eight, but we had

1670
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 3: to score forty to win, and it just sucks. It's

1671
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 3: a terrible feeling. Okay, that's fine, but like, let's let's

1672
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 3: have some accountability. Let's hold people to a standard.

1673
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 4: Now.

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01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 3: Jamar also, by the way, dropped a pass that maybe

1675
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 3: could have won them the game. And I'm sure there

1676
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 3: was some displeasure with himself. I also don't think he

1677
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 3: was asked about it, which you know, I'm curious to

1678
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 3: see his answer on that. Right, it wasn't a great throw,

1679
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 3: but it hit Jamar Chase in the hands.

1680
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 2: But knowing him, I would assume he'd say, that's a

1681
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 2: ball I gotta catch for sure. I have no problem

1682
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 2: with it.

1683
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:54,640
Speaker 3: I appreciate honesty, I appreciate transparency, and it felt like

1684
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,639
Speaker 3: to me listening to it. And part of the reason

1685
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 3: I heard it when they aired it originally on the

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01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 3: Bengals post games and then I played it again. The

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01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,599
Speaker 3: reason I did is because it related to how I

1688
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 3: feel as a Bengals fan. I was angry, I was frustrated.

1689
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 3: I'm mad about the way that this defense continues to

1690
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 3: perform and that thirty eight points wasn't enough against the

1691
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 3: worst team in football, and Jamar had that same feeling,

1692
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 3: and I appreciated and related to that. And I think,

1693
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 3: you know, Joe Danaman kind of touched on it. Nack

1694
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 3: Taylor kind of felt the same way, too, correct, Zach

1695
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 3: kind of one over there to step up.

1696
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's take one more break, let's come back. We

1697
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 2: will finish with a quick phone call to end hour. Two,

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Speaker 2: and then Scott Saderfield will get it started now number

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Speaker 2: three next, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to football in the NATI on ESPN

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01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:55,679
Speaker 39: Its close news on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back our number two come to a close. You'll

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01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 2: hear from Scott Sadderfield to kick off our three. Next.

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01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 2: Before we get to that, a phone call. What's up, Maso?

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01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 4: What's going on?

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01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 12: Boy?

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01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 2: You tell me that great day, great day.

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01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 9: Good good.

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Speaker 40: Well.

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Speaker 10: I've been sitting here in the past couple of days.

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01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 40: Listening to people call in and blame Duke Tobin a lot,

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01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 40: and rightfully so.

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Speaker 41: But it got me thinking, how many guys do we

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Speaker 41: have in the scouting department? If I recall, don't we

1716
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 41: only have like six and the rest of the NFL

1717
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 41: has like twenty four or something.

1718
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1719
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 3: I think the biggest scouting department in the NFL is

1720
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:40,639
Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns.

1721
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 2: They have like.

1722
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 4: Thirty, Okay, And who's decision is that?

1723
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 2: It's a good question.

1724
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 3: I think it's it's mainly up to Duke to Duke

1725
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 3: his staff yeah, I think so.

1726
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,760
Speaker 40: I don't know, Okay, it is his call, Okay, I

1727
01:30:56,840 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 40: wasn't sure if it was Mike Brown and Katie's call,

1728
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,639
Speaker 40: you know that on that or if it is Duke.

1729
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 2: Because I'm sure they play a role in that.

1730
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 40: I was gonna say, because you know they they probably

1731
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 40: deserve a little heat too. It's like you could probably

1732
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 40: bring Howie Roseman and come from Philly and he's gonna fail.

1733
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 40: And with the Bengals if you're only you know, employeeing

1734
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 40: six guys is on the scouting department.

1735
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 2: I feel like with some of it too. Like my

1736
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:26,759
Speaker 2: thing would be like if Duke were to go upstairs

1737
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 2: and say, hey, I need to hire more scouts because

1738
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 2: of this. Is that something they're open to or is

1739
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 2: that something that Duke just kind of keeps in house

1740
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 2: and he's good with how there that would be behind

1741
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 2: the scenes that I just don't know we know, But.

1742
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 3: It is important to note they have expanded that over

1743
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 3: the last couple of years. They added a director of

1744
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 3: football Research, they added a scout, They've done more data

1745
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 3: stuff like it has advanced. It's still not nearly what

1746
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 3: I guess the baseline NFL level of a scouting department

1747
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 3: would be, but it's still I guess going in the

1748
01:31:58,600 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 3: right direction.

1749
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, gotcha, Okay, Yeah, that's I was just kind of

1750
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 4: curious on who made that call because I knew the

1751
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 4: Bengals were on the low end, you know, as having

1752
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 4: personnel in that department. So I just feel like, you know, he's.

1753
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 41: Kind of already got his hands tied behind his back.

1754
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 4: But if that's his call, then yeah, then that's on him.

1755
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 2: So yeah, all rights, yep, Yeah, I think it would

1756
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 2: be interesting on you know, if you were to go

1757
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 2: up and say, way, we need more people, what that

1758
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 2: would be met with. But again, I go back to

1759
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. You know, you see Iowa

1760
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 2: State a lot of NFL teams in attendance. No one

1761
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 2: from the Bengals drove ten minutes up the road.

1762
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 3: Now who we don't know what their assignments were that

1763
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:44,800
Speaker 3: weekend and if Duke was, you know, somewhere else, if

1764
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 3: he was at an Ohio State game or who knows.

1765
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 3: But that's an example of well, if you have ten

1766
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 3: guys instead of six, maybe one of them ends up

1767
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 3: at UC yeah and on the road, have a relationship

1768
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:56,719
Speaker 3: with one of those players or one of those coaches

1769
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 3: either at UC or Iowa State or both or whatever

1770
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 3: it might be. Just looking at the directory right now

1771
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 3: on the Bengals website, you've got Duke Tobin as the

1772
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 3: director of player Personnel. You've got Trey Labouni, which is

1773
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 3: the director of scouting research basically which I don't know.

1774
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,639
Speaker 3: I would love to know exactly what that is. Tyler

1775
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 3: Ramsey is a scout. Tyler Josh Hinch is a scout.

1776
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 3: They have two assistant general managers, Steven Radisivik and Mike Potts,

1777
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 3: which are basically similar to It's funny. They're assistant general managers,

1778
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 3: but there's no official general manager, so they have all

1779
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 3: sorts of different stuff in that player personnel department.

1780
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 2: Sure, our three is next. Scott Saderfield from the podium earlier,

1781
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:50,639
Speaker 2: will lead us off on ESPN fifteen to thirty Cincinnati

1782
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:51,200
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1784
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1785
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1786
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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, here we go. It is the

1789
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Speaker 2: third and final hour since E three to sixty thanks

1790
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 2: to our friends at Penn Station. Speaking of Penn Station,

1791
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 2: they are doing something awesome right now at each of

1792
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Speaker 2: their locations. We're gonna spend about five minutes with their

1793
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 2: VP of Marketing, Jane McPherson right before quick hits today.

1794
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:38,719
Speaker 2: We'll update you on some cool things that Penn Station

1795
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,720
Speaker 2: has going on, but for now. The head football coach

1796
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 2: of the Cincinnati Bearcats spoke to the media just a

1797
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 2: few hours ago, and here's what he had to say.

1798
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Speaker 42: Yeah, I think just you know, going back to Saturday,

1799
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 42: obviously proud of the guys, the way they came out

1800
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 42: and played right from the start, got a good lead

1801
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 42: and really a little bit of a lull again there

1802
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 42: in the second half, but hearn it on again on

1803
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 42: the fourth quarter. So just just proud of how they finished.

1804
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 42: Great atmosphere there at Nippert homecoming. It was awesome to

1805
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:10,639
Speaker 42: see everybody in red and for us to be able

1806
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 42: to go out and get a great win that was

1807
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:14,600
Speaker 42: obviously huge too. And you know, it just keeps us

1808
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 42: uh keeps us going and uh and now.

1809
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Speaker 2: It leads to this week.

1810
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 42: You know, a tough opportunity for us to go to

1811
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 42: Utah and play one of the hotter teams. I think

1812
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 42: that's out there, especially them playing at home. They did

1813
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 42: have an outstanding home field advantage in that stadium, and

1814
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 42: you know, coach Widiam has been there a long time,

1815
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 42: I think this twenty first year as the head coach,

1816
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:37,280
Speaker 42: and has implemented a lot of great ball there over

1817
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 42: the years, especially defensively. I think they're kind of known

1818
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:44,320
Speaker 42: for that this year. Have an outstanding offense and they're

1819
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 42: able to run the football. They keep a lot of

1820
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:48,600
Speaker 42: pressure on the on the defense, and you know, I

1821
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 42: think obviously it'll be a tough challenge for us, you know,

1822
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 42: but we're looking forward to it. We're excited about it,

1823
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:55,799
Speaker 42: you know, and got to have a great week of practice.

1824
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:01,680
Speaker 43: You talk about their offense seven damp. There have been

1825
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 43: a couple of games earlier where it felt like you

1826
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 43: didn't mind if the quarterback ran around a little bit

1827
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 43: because you thought you could still contain them to stamp here.

1828
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 43: Different and a guy that you let him run around

1829
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 43: a little bit. You could see some of those sixty

1830
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:17,839
Speaker 43: seventy yard touchdown rounds.

1831
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 42: Yeah, you know, I think he's certainly an outstanding football player,

1832
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 42: you know, and it's part of what they want to do,

1833
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,960
Speaker 42: you know. It's not like you know, I think about

1834
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:28,600
Speaker 42: Central Florida a couple of weeks ago, where you know,

1835
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 42: they're dropping back and then he's going to scramble to

1836
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:33,559
Speaker 42: get these arks. These are these are called Q run plays,

1837
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 42: and you better have your defense set up to handle that.

1838
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 42: If you're not, it's gonna be a long day, I think,

1839
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 42: you know. And it doesn't matter if it's damp here.

1840
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:44,520
Speaker 42: It could be the freshman who I had an outstanding

1841
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:46,519
Speaker 42: game this past week too. I mean, maybe as good

1842
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:48,839
Speaker 42: as half as we've seen all year in college football.

1843
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:51,599
Speaker 42: You know, close to four hundred yards on one side

1844
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 42: and negative eight teen on the other, and that's that's

1845
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 42: unheard of. And you know, part of that was the

1846
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 42: quarterback run. I mean, I second player of the game

1847
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:00,680
Speaker 42: broke off with sixty three yarder. I mean, so you

1848
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:02,679
Speaker 42: have to be able to have a bunch of guys

1849
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 42: around the box, and therefore, when you do that, you're

1850
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:07,120
Speaker 42: maybe more susceptible to a pass, you know, And so

1851
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 42: I think that's where the pressure they put on you,

1852
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 42: and you know it's a guy obviously gonna.

1853
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:13,559
Speaker 44: Be a great challenge for us. It sounds like they're

1854
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 44: going to start damp here. But you mentioned the other guy.

1855
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 44: How does that affect your preparation? Are they too similar

1856
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 44: or what did you see it?

1857
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:22,680
Speaker 42: Yeah, ount, I don't think they change a whole lot.

1858
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:24,680
Speaker 42: I mean, that's part of their offense of how they're

1859
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:26,839
Speaker 42: running their offense. You know, it's gonna run through the quarterback.

1860
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:28,759
Speaker 42: They want to run the football a lot of different ways,

1861
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 42: put stretch on the defense. And obviously, you know, Nampier

1862
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 42: is their guy, and if he's healthy and then we

1863
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:38,639
Speaker 42: anticipate him playing and you know, but now for them,

1864
01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:40,360
Speaker 42: they got to feel really good about the fact that,

1865
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 42: hey they got another guy that can put in there

1866
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 42: and had an outstanding game. I think it was a

1867
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 42: Big twelve Player of the Week this past week. So

1868
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 42: but I think, you know, it's what they do scheme wise.

1869
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:50,919
Speaker 42: You just have to defend that whole.

1870
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 43: Offense first time this year against what most of the

1871
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 43: metrics say is a top ten defense. What are the challenges?

1872
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:00,679
Speaker 43: They have a high stop rate there, good at getting

1873
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 43: three and ounce. What are the challenges because you guys

1874
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:07,400
Speaker 43: have shown if you can get that first first down

1875
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:09,479
Speaker 43: that things really start to snowball for you.

1876
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 42: Yeah, I mean, it's it's a great defense we're playing.

1877
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 42: You know, you mentioned the metrics, and just look at

1878
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 42: some of the stats and then turn the film on

1879
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:19,639
Speaker 42: and it backs it up. I mean, they're they're very stout.

1880
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:22,760
Speaker 42: They have two you know, tall, strong defensive ends on

1881
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:24,840
Speaker 42: the edge. I think one of them may be top

1882
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 42: one of the top SAT guys in the country. The

1883
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,480
Speaker 42: other one, I mean, he looks he runs like a linebacker,

1884
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 42: you know, and then some two big linebackers on the

1885
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 42: inside as well that can move, and then some outstanding

1886
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 42: DB's and they put pressure on you. I mean, I'm

1887
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 42: watching the Colorado game, and you know, I felt like

1888
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:43,520
Speaker 42: they pressured them all night, and they lived in the backfield,

1889
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 42: so they constantly put pressure on the offenses. And you

1890
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 42: have to do a great job of trying to stay

1891
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 42: on the sticks and not getting those long yard of

1892
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 42: situations because if you do, then they got you, you know,

1893
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 42: and I think, you know, part of that is playing

1894
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 42: clean football, you know. I think, you know, in this environment,

1895
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 42: it'll be a challenge any because it's gonna be loud,

1896
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:03,599
Speaker 42: you know, for your offense, and you know, for us,

1897
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 42: very similar probably our first game against Airhead, how loud

1898
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:10,080
Speaker 42: that was. So you know, so you have to stay

1899
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:12,800
Speaker 42: on the sticks, you have to stay where you can

1900
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 42: get those down the distances manageable. And then we got

1901
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 42: to do a great job of being able to do

1902
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 42: both run and pass. And I think these guys do

1903
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 42: a great job of pass defense. They're one of the

1904
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 42: top pass defensive teams in the country. Uh, And I

1905
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:25,560
Speaker 42: think a lot of it has to do with the

1906
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 42: pressure they put on you and they play a lot

1907
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:29,000
Speaker 42: of man man to man coach.

1908
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 34: I was watching the Clifton cut last night. Something that

1909
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 34: caught my attention was the quote that you used put

1910
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,280
Speaker 34: them in the phone booth. I was just curious if

1911
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 34: you could elaborate a little bit more on that and

1912
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:39,559
Speaker 34: where that quote kind of came from.

1913
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:41,640
Speaker 42: Yeah, I mean, we were just you know, as we

1914
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 42: were preparing last week, and really and really it just

1915
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 42: speaks to being a physical football team. You know, we

1916
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 42: have to you know, impose your will on whoever you're

1917
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:56,479
Speaker 42: going against. And really it's the one on one battles

1918
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 42: throughout the whole day, and it doesn't matter what that

1919
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:02,160
Speaker 42: battle is, you know, if it's Gavin versus their nose,

1920
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 42: like he's got to win that battle right there.

1921
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:05,200
Speaker 2: And you can go to.

1922
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 42: Every single position and really just trying to emphasize how

1923
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 42: physical we needed to be.

1924
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:12,360
Speaker 2: And I think and we were.

1925
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:14,640
Speaker 42: You know, we came out of that game running the

1926
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:17,759
Speaker 42: football for two hundred and sixty five yards. We imposed

1927
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Speaker 42: our will and I think that's what kind of game

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Speaker 42: that was last week. You know, now this week you're

1929
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Speaker 42: playing a team I think played the same way as

1930
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Speaker 42: we tried to play last week. I think they're a

1931
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Speaker 42: very physical team. They obviously want to run the football,

1932
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Speaker 42: played great defense. I mean, this is this is a

1933
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Speaker 42: team like how we wanted to play last week, and

1934
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Speaker 42: so you know this is going to be a very

1935
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Speaker 42: physical contest as we played this week, and you know,

1936
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Speaker 42: and I think that's.

1937
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Speaker 2: What we have to be able to prepare for as

1938
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Speaker 2: we practice this week.

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Speaker 45: Scott looking at but Tywie Walker being the physical bullet

1940
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:49,519
Speaker 45: does of a running back that he is, and then

1941
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Speaker 45: Evan Pryor, who can hit a home run in basically

1942
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:55,479
Speaker 45: any play. Was this the vision that you had for

1943
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,720
Speaker 45: these two running backs to really compliment each other. As

1944
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:01,320
Speaker 45: this season has gone on, you got have won seven straight.

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Speaker 42: Games, yeah, I think so. You know, there's been a

1946
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 42: lot of questions, you know, especially early on. I remember

1947
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Speaker 42: Scott asking a bunch of running back questions the first

1948
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Speaker 42: couple of weeks. I mean, you know, and I think

1949
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:12,640
Speaker 42: this is kind of how we envisioned it. You know,

1950
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Speaker 42: you got a guy who can run right through you, uh,

1951
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Speaker 42: and then and impose his will. He's had some great

1952
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 42: tough yardage runs. The fourth downs this past week was huge.

1953
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:24,800
Speaker 42: I mean, running through these guys and then you have

1954
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:27,559
Speaker 42: a guy you can bring in Evan, who can run

1955
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 42: around you, who can catch the ball out of the backfield,

1956
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 42: and I think you want to keep those guys fresh.

1957
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:34,559
Speaker 42: And anytime you can rotate those guys, it is hard

1958
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 42: for the defense. And so you know what we thought

1959
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 42: was gonna happen. That's just kind of how we would

1960
01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 42: envision this. And it's been fun to watch those guys work.

1961
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Speaker 42: Evan uh now, not yet. I think he'll be listed

1962
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Speaker 42: probably as out as we had to tomorrow. You know,

1963
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:52,600
Speaker 42: obviously the first time you got to release that. So

1964
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Speaker 42: you know, we'll see how he is and how he

1965
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Speaker 42: continue to progress.

1966
01:41:56,240 --> 01:42:03,840
Speaker 44: Throughout the week, So chance after him then, or or

1967
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 44: one of the younger guys.

1968
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 42: You've got Manny, you got, you got Chance, you got Zion.

1969
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Speaker 42: I think, you know, all three of those guys could

1970
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 42: be viable options for sure. You know, as we go

1971
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Speaker 42: throughout this week and practicing, we'll see see where we're

1972
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:17,840
Speaker 42: at with those guys.

1973
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Speaker 2: But you know, I think all all those the other

1974
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 2: guys are.

1975
01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:23,920
Speaker 42: Similar to to Evan in fact that how they do

1976
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:27,200
Speaker 42: know their speed. Guys, they're quick, they're they're you know,

1977
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:29,920
Speaker 42: a different style of running compared to Tawei.

1978
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:34,200
Speaker 44: What about the silent cadence, it's probably going to be

1979
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:36,080
Speaker 44: pretty noisy either. I don't know if any place is

1980
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:39,639
Speaker 44: going to be noisier than Narrowhead, but but it does

1981
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:40,639
Speaker 44: get loud there.

1982
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:40,800
Speaker 11: It does.

1983
01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll we'll prepare for that. You know.

1984
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:45,519
Speaker 42: One one good thing about having the indoor here, we

1985
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 42: can really crank up the volume in there and it

1986
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:51,439
Speaker 42: can be deafening inside this in this building. So that's

1987
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:53,360
Speaker 42: how we will practice the next couple of days here

1988
01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:56,599
Speaker 42: for Tuesday and Wednesdays practices and turn that up and

1989
01:42:56,840 --> 01:43:00,000
Speaker 42: work our silent cadence. Uh, it's still you know, communication

1990
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:05,360
Speaker 42: will be really key offensively, you know, and watching them

1991
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 42: on film. I think you know, Texas Tech earlier in

1992
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:09,479
Speaker 42: the year didn't use the silent cadence, but they had

1993
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:14,559
Speaker 42: I think seven faalse start penalties. Maybe Colorado this past

1994
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:18,559
Speaker 42: weekend they did not use the silent either, So you know,

1995
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 42: I've seen guys use it, I've seen guys not use it.

1996
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:22,599
Speaker 2: We'll prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

1997
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Speaker 43: Is there advantage to having done that at a game

1998
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:28,519
Speaker 43: in Arrowhead that was deafening?

1999
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:29,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2000
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 42: Absolutely, you know, Yeah, it'd be hard to be louder

2001
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 42: than Arrawhead was that night. You know, that was as

2002
01:43:35,320 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 42: loud as a stadium as I've been maybe top two

2003
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 42: or three that I've been into great environments. So yeah,

2004
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Speaker 42: and there's a lot of, you know, things about that

2005
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:44,280
Speaker 42: game that will help us as we head to this

2006
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Speaker 42: this week.

2007
01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:47,320
Speaker 34: In this game, Scott, the news just came out a

2008
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:49,760
Speaker 34: couple of minutes ago Antoine Peak was named the semi

2009
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:52,040
Speaker 34: finalists for Jim Thorpe Ward, could you just walk us

2010
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:54,400
Speaker 34: through his journey obviously becoming a walk on to a

2011
01:43:54,479 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 34: key starter for this team now to see all this

2012
01:43:56,840 --> 01:43:58,640
Speaker 34: hard work could pay off. Could you just elaborate on

2013
01:43:58,680 --> 01:43:59,200
Speaker 34: that a little bit.

2014
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Speaker 42: Yeah, I mean I think, you know, Antoine is a

2015
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:03,759
Speaker 42: hard worker. You know, we want to be a program

2016
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 42: where you have to earn everything, and he exemplifies that.

2017
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 42: I mean he has earned everything literally from a walk

2018
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:13,000
Speaker 42: on to earning a scholarship, to earning a starting position,

2019
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 42: to earning playing time, uh, and then earning the respect

2020
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Speaker 42: I think now that he that he's warranted.

2021
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:22,040
Speaker 2: You know, he is a headhunter.

2022
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 42: I think he's a very physical tackler, and he does

2023
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:25,920
Speaker 42: a great job of punching the ball out. I mean,

2024
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:29,200
Speaker 42: he's been doing that his whole career. But I also

2025
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:32,439
Speaker 42: love the fact that he is a humble person. He

2026
01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:34,519
Speaker 42: doesn't say a whole lot. He just works his tail off,

2027
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Speaker 42: and I you know, I really appreciate that about him

2028
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 42: and you can count on him. I mean, his consistency

2029
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:40,840
Speaker 42: has been incredible.

2030
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:46,760
Speaker 2: All right. That is Scott Saderfield from earlier. He went

2031
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:49,680
Speaker 2: back to the phone booth. Austin put him back in

2032
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 2: the phone booth. Yeah, what I think is interesting. Had

2033
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 2: this discussion off air with Moe yesterday. We talked about

2034
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:57,080
Speaker 2: the Bearcats a lot, and Mom made to comment they

2035
01:44:57,120 --> 01:45:00,120
Speaker 2: have been healthy for much of the year. They are

2036
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:05,559
Speaker 2: now going through what could be a tough task Evan Pryor.

2037
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 2: The reason they're running game is what it is is

2038
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:12,800
Speaker 2: because the ability to be able to hit you. As

2039
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:16,200
Speaker 2: Dan Hord has labeled it, thanks to Meredith, zoom and

2040
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:20,639
Speaker 2: boom is what they're being zoom referred to in boom Yeah,

2041
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:22,760
Speaker 2: you know, thunder and lightning was taken with Lendell White

2042
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 2: and Reggie Bush back in the day Sonic and who

2043
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:30,280
Speaker 2: was it Knuckles? Yea is Jamier Gibbs and David Montgomery.

2044
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:33,519
Speaker 2: So Dan Hord put out a couple of different options

2045
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 2: over a broadcast a couple of weeks ago, and as

2046
01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:40,719
Speaker 2: Mayor was listening, she said, what about zoom and boom?

2047
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 4: Like?

2048
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:43,479
Speaker 2: So Dan put it to a vote. It's now zoom

2049
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 2: and boom Wow. But if you don't have zoom to

2050
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:49,080
Speaker 2: the boom, it doesn't work as much. Since he sure,

2051
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:51,760
Speaker 2: how about that? That's all right?

2052
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:55,439
Speaker 3: Boom can still boom, boom can have a dual meaning, Yes,

2053
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:58,360
Speaker 3: game against Utah, you can boom for a seventy yarder.

2054
01:45:58,439 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 3: You could boom by running over to Yeah.

2055
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:04,680
Speaker 2: I like this, but would be a significant loss for

2056
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:08,240
Speaker 2: this barcount offense zoom and boom. Baby, so good, zoom

2057
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:11,519
Speaker 2: and boom when we come back. One thing we have

2058
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:15,960
Speaker 2: not got to today Austin is the comments from Carly

2059
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:22,080
Speaker 2: Ersay Gordon, Yes, let's listen to those and let's figure

2060
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:25,120
Speaker 2: out how those relate to maybe something here in Cincinnati.

2061
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 2: Also a Zach Taylor question next, since he three sixty

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2068
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2069
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2070
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01:46:57,040 --> 01:47:01,320
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Speaker 2: gonna catch up with Jane McPherson from Penn Station right

2083
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:48,240
Speaker 2: before we talk to Mowgor with Quick Hits today with

2084
01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 2: something that they've got going on that is just an

2085
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:56,719
Speaker 2: unbelievable way to impact a lot of folks that's happening

2086
01:47:56,760 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 2: right now at Penn Station. Before we get to that, Austin,

2087
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:01,320
Speaker 2: you mention to Day that you had some audio you

2088
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:04,240
Speaker 2: pulled aside from Carly Hearsay Gordon.

2089
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:08,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, she is one of the owners of the Colts

2090
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:12,799
Speaker 3: and thrust into this new role now that jim Ursay

2091
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:18,679
Speaker 3: has passed away and her and her two sisters, Casey

2092
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:23,400
Speaker 3: and Kaylin are now the owners and operators basically of

2093
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:28,240
Speaker 3: the Colts. And so it's been brought to light this

2094
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:31,760
Speaker 3: season following the passing of Jim irsay that she has

2095
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 3: a presence, carl Ersay Gordon has a presence on the

2096
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:38,160
Speaker 3: sideline and where's a headset. This is not necessarily a

2097
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:41,240
Speaker 3: new thing. She's done this in the past, but because

2098
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:45,519
Speaker 3: one of her things is that she is the chief

2099
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:50,599
Speaker 3: executive officer and is trying to learn as much as

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01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:55,080
Speaker 3: possible about the organization and how it works and who

2101
01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:58,240
Speaker 3: is you know, doing what so that everything can be

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Speaker 3: fairly evaluated. And she meets with the media. Here's something

2103
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:08,760
Speaker 3: Carly urs Gordon said about wearing a headset on the

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01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:09,839
Speaker 3: sideline take a listener.

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01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:11,559
Speaker 46: I need to learn more about this. I need to

2106
01:49:11,560 --> 01:49:15,880
Speaker 46: be able to say, is this person full of bs?

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01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:17,560
Speaker 46: Do they even know what they're talking about? And I

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01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:21,120
Speaker 46: think one of the things that being on the headset

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Speaker 46: has really helped me learn is to the question earlier.

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Speaker 2: There is such a.

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Speaker 46: Complex organism a football team and how it operates and

2112
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:33,519
Speaker 46: on game day and you could say, oh, that person

2113
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:38,120
Speaker 46: ran that route wrong. When you learn to find someone

2114
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:41,720
Speaker 46: tagged the wrong wide receiver and it wasn't really the

2115
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:44,080
Speaker 46: player's fault, it was the person that called it so

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01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:47,800
Speaker 46: and it's never I think that's been a very valuable

2117
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:52,800
Speaker 46: because it also helps us be able to know where

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01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:55,200
Speaker 46: do we need to make tweaks, what resources do we

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01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:57,200
Speaker 46: need are, what do we need to fix? So much

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01:49:57,240 --> 01:50:00,959
Speaker 46: of it comes down to just the how we operate

2121
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:04,040
Speaker 46: and how things work, and the headsets are really I

2122
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:07,479
Speaker 46: wish more. I would suggest it for anyone else that

2123
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:10,719
Speaker 46: has to pay coaches and gms millions and millions of dollars.

2124
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:13,599
Speaker 46: It helps you make a less expensive mistake.

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01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:19,519
Speaker 2: How about that. Now that doesn't sound like an outlander's thought.

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01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:24,000
Speaker 2: In fact, that sounds very well put together. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to pay these folks millions and millions of dollars. I

2128
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:30,040
Speaker 2: better do my due diligence to make sure they're doing

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01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:32,880
Speaker 2: their job correctly. And by listening in and being active

2130
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Speaker 2: and being a part of this, I get to make

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01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:36,519
Speaker 2: sure that that's happening.

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Speaker 3: And also to say, hey, I'm open to the idea

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Speaker 3: that I could do something differently. I'm open to the

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01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:46,400
Speaker 3: idea that maybe the way we're doing things isn't the

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01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 3: best way to do it. I'm taking feedback, I'm evaluating,

2136
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Speaker 3: I'm observing, and I'm learning about the people and the

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Speaker 3: operation that goes into running a football team on game

2138
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:04,600
Speaker 3: day and otherwise. That type of mentality from someone in

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Speaker 3: ownership who is directly, directly tied to the results and

2140
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:14,559
Speaker 3: affected by the results from business operations all the way

2141
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Speaker 3: up to the football program and ticket holders and community

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Speaker 3: outreach and everything. It's it's all a web intertwined together.

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Speaker 3: That type of mentality from someone in ownership is incredibly important,

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Speaker 3: and we don't see that very often. And I don't

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01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:36,160
Speaker 3: think it's a coincidence that her and her sisters take

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01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:38,479
Speaker 3: over this football team and the next thing you know,

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Speaker 3: they're seven to one of the number one seed in

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Speaker 3: the AFC.

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Speaker 2: Right, And it's again like we we are called upon

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Speaker 2: to make decisions on who to pay, who to extend,

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01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:49,719
Speaker 2: who to sign, who to let go. We are called

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Speaker 2: upon to evaluate talent, on who to draft and maybe

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01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:57,720
Speaker 2: what free agents. Why not equip yourself with all the

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Speaker 2: knowledge necessary before you do that. Again, it sounds too

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01:52:04,439 --> 01:52:07,439
Speaker 2: easy when you hear her talk about that, but far

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01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:11,720
Speaker 2: too many people don't operate in that sense. Like I

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Speaker 2: would like to hear that from Duke Tobin. Sure, I

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01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:16,639
Speaker 2: would like to hear more from Duke Tobin. I would

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Speaker 2: like to see more of Duke Tobin over the course

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Speaker 2: of the week and during the games.

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Speaker 3: I will say this, I remember during training preseason, excuse me,

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Speaker 3: they you know, they do their TV interviews with Duke

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01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:33,120
Speaker 3: Tobin Mike Potts and Anthony Munhos and Duke started doing

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Speaker 3: him from the sidelines, and they asked him why he

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Speaker 3: was on the sidelines, and he gave a similar answer,

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Speaker 3: and I was like, oh my god, that I can't

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Speaker 3: believe I'm hearing that from Duke Tobin. I appreciated that

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Speaker 3: insight into what he's, you know, talking about. Now, obviously

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Speaker 3: it hasn't worked out as much, and I do think

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Speaker 3: Duke has been a little bit more transparent over the

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01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:55,439
Speaker 3: last couple of years about his mindset. Now, he hasn't

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01:52:55,439 --> 01:52:57,960
Speaker 3: always followed up his words with his actions, which is

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01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:01,120
Speaker 3: obviously a major issue. Androbably part of the reason why

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Speaker 3: he doesn't talk very often because he doesn't maybe possess

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01:53:05,240 --> 01:53:07,360
Speaker 3: the ability or isn't good enough at his job to

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01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:10,720
Speaker 3: actually put his actions put his money where his mouth is.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, But in and of itself, that mentality

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Speaker 3: about operating a football team or operating a business or

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Speaker 3: whatever it might be, that is a mentality that should

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Speaker 3: be shared across all levels of the organization. How can

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Speaker 3: we be better in every aspect of owning and operating

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Speaker 3: a football team?

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Speaker 2: If the hypothetical came out and their decision of being

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Speaker 2: better as a football team next year, or to say,

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Speaker 2: let's move on from Zach Taylor. How would you view

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Speaker 2: the Zach Taylor tenure. Would it be viewed as a

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Speaker 2: resounding success, Would it be viewed as it was okay?

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Speaker 2: Or would it be viewed as a failure. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you took the team to the Super Bowl, you went

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Speaker 2: to back to back AFC Championship games, but you're also

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Speaker 2: on the verge of missing the playoffs for the third

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Speaker 2: straight year, and the years before the Super Bowl weren't fantastic.

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Speaker 2: How how would you if if that decision hypothetically were made,

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Speaker 2: How would you categorize the tenure of Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you could say anything other than

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Speaker 3: it was an overwhelming success. He immediately took a two

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Speaker 3: to fourteen team, got Joe Burrow established in the midst

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Speaker 3: of COVID, got them eventually to the Super Bowl, got

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Speaker 3: them right back to the AFC Championship game, won more

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Speaker 3: playoff games in two years than they had won in

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Speaker 3: the last forty and established at the very least a

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Speaker 3: culture and a mentality around the fan base and around

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Speaker 3: the organization. And obviously, you know it hasn't worked out.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that we would look back on it

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Speaker 3: and feel like Zach was the main reason why this

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Speaker 3: team failed. He certainly has played a huge role in it.

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Speaker 3: But would you mean he was the main reason they succeeded. No,

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Speaker 3: I think that always goes to Joe Burrow. Everybody will

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Speaker 3: say that. I mean, nobody talks about Bill Pollian. He's

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Speaker 3: in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. He finally got

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01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:14,680
Speaker 3: the recognition he deserved. But again, going back to the Colts,

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01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:18,000
Speaker 3: that's the dude that drafted Bayton Manning, right, they had

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Speaker 3: the number one pick. That was a pretty easy one.

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Speaker 3: So I think it would be a success because of

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Speaker 3: what they accomplished and basically picking up from you what

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Speaker 3: Marvin Lewis had done and taking it to the next level. Now,

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01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:42,000
Speaker 3: obviously the rest of it kind of depends on what

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01:55:42,120 --> 01:55:44,720
Speaker 3: happens between now and the end of Joe Burrow's career here.

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Speaker 3: That's ultimately what this franchise will be judged by.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would assume if if there were a

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Speaker 2: decision to be made that you moved on from Zach Taylor,

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Speaker 2: then the remainder of this season would be a disaster, disastrous.

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Speaker 2: This what's to stop it from being already that's I mean,

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01:56:01,160 --> 01:56:05,360
Speaker 2: that's where we're trending to. I mean his tenure. It's

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01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:11,520
Speaker 2: weird because in his tenure, including playoffs fifty four, fifty

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01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:14,880
Speaker 2: eight and one under five hundred, but he erased what

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01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:17,160
Speaker 2: was a brutal first two years at six twenty five

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Speaker 2: and one and has turned that around. He's turned this

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Speaker 2: franchise around. But there's also the taste of missing the

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01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:29,360
Speaker 2: playoffs for multiple seasons. It's weird because it's impossible to

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01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:30,720
Speaker 2: say it was a failure because they went to the

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01:56:30,720 --> 01:56:33,040
Speaker 2: Super Bowl and back to back AFC title games. I

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01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:35,240
Speaker 2: don't think I would say a resounding success. I would

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01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:42,040
Speaker 2: say his tenure was positive. It wouldn't be man Okay

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01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:45,000
Speaker 2: for me, it's been positive. I think he's done great

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01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:46,880
Speaker 2: things for the culture. I think he's done great things

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01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:50,760
Speaker 2: for the organization. I think I would feel much differently

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01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:54,280
Speaker 2: if he separated himself as the coach and the play

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01:56:54,280 --> 01:56:56,720
Speaker 2: caller and just was the coach of this team. I

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Speaker 2: think that would help him as well. But it's hard

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Speaker 2: because they would finish that tenure. If that were to

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01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:06,760
Speaker 2: happen at the end of this year, it would mean

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Speaker 2: that there would be three straight years of extreme disappointment

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Speaker 2: in what was supposed to be a Super Bowl window,

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Speaker 2: and I think that would be a hard pill to

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Speaker 2: swallow as well. Yeah, when we come back, the senior

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Speaker 2: vice president of Marketing for Penn Station, Jane McPherson, will

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01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:24,000
Speaker 2: join us to tell us about some cool things the

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Speaker 2: Penn Station has going on. Right before we catch up

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Speaker 2: with Mowggor and Oakley Greens for quick hits. That all

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Speaker 2: still ahead Sincy three sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Sports Station Thanks to Penn Station.

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Speaker 6: Hey, it's Maegar. Did you miss yesterday's Tony and Mo

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01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:41,320
Speaker 6: Football Show? The good news is you can listen to

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Speaker 6: it right now or whenever you want, wherever you want

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Speaker 6: on the iHeartRadio app or the podcast page of ESPN

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Speaker 6: fifteen thirty dot com.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. It is since e three sixty. We are

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Speaker 2: rolling along in hour number three on ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station. Okay, of course, thanks to our friends

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Speaker 2: here now number three at Penn Station. A lot of

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01:58:02,760 --> 01:58:08,080
Speaker 2: good things hopping at Penn Station. The collaboration with with

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Speaker 2: Barstool Sports, the Maggot Cheese Steak that they have going on.

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01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:15,880
Speaker 2: There's also the Ghost Pepper cheese that you can put

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01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:18,960
Speaker 2: on any sub at Penn Station. But there is something

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01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 2: even bigger going on that is so awesome with Penn Station.

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Speaker 2: I want to spend a little more time on that

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01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:26,360
Speaker 2: before we get the quick hits today with the senior

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Speaker 2: vice president of marketing at Penn Station, Jane McPherson, is

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01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:30,200
Speaker 2: joining us. Hi, Jane, how are you?

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Speaker 15: I am great?

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Speaker 26: How are you, Tony?

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Speaker 2: I'm great, I'm great, always always awesome stuff going on

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Speaker 2: at Penn Station. But you guys have something going on

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01:58:39,120 --> 01:58:42,640
Speaker 2: right now. It's Deals for Down Syndrome. Can you give

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Speaker 2: us a little bit more details about everything that's happening?

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Speaker 26: Oh my gosh, we would love to. At Penn Station,

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01:58:49,360 --> 01:58:51,440
Speaker 26: we have a program that allows people to come in

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01:58:51,560 --> 01:58:57,040
Speaker 26: and donate five dollars in exchange for a coupon booklet,

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01:58:57,120 --> 01:59:00,720
Speaker 26: So we call it Deals for Down Syndrome. Besides donation

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01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:04,440
Speaker 26: trans for the consumer or for the buyer. They come

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01:59:04,440 --> 01:59:07,600
Speaker 26: in and they get a five dollars coupon booklet. It

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01:59:07,640 --> 01:59:10,320
Speaker 26: has a free small sub coupon in it, a coupon

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01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:13,960
Speaker 26: for a free lemonade, a free cookie, or a bogo

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01:59:14,160 --> 01:59:18,080
Speaker 26: So there's four options that a pen station fan can

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Speaker 26: use when they donate five dollars to down Syndrome.

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Speaker 2: You guys, is this the first year you guys have

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01:59:24,840 --> 01:59:26,680
Speaker 2: been doing this or is this something that's been recurring

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Speaker 2: for you guys.

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Speaker 26: You know what, it's the first year that we have

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Speaker 26: done the Deals for Down Syndrome fund raising booklet or

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01:59:33,560 --> 01:59:36,240
Speaker 26: coupon booklet. So this is a first year for us

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01:59:36,280 --> 01:59:38,520
Speaker 26: for doing that, But we have been working with Down

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Speaker 26: syndrome associations now for many many years. Over the years

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Speaker 26: we've been doing this, we've raised about two million dollars

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Speaker 26: for different Down syndrome associations throughout the United States wherever

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01:59:49,200 --> 01:59:53,080
Speaker 26: pen Stations operate. You know, we're actually located and headquartered

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Speaker 26: in Ohio, So we have a huge contribution to the

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Speaker 26: Cincinnati Down Syndrome Association from local who love Penn Station,

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Speaker 26: who also want to make a difference in the down

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Speaker 26: syndrome community. So the opportunity is to make a contribution

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Speaker 26: but also get an amazing benefit from Penn Station with

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Speaker 26: these freebies that are featured in the coupum booklet.

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Speaker 2: How I know it's running right now? How long will

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Speaker 2: this run through? For people to be able to take advantage.

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Speaker 19: Of this well.

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Speaker 26: It is currently running. Most pen Stations still have booklets

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Speaker 26: available to buy, and you know, when you put in

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Speaker 26: that five dollars contribution, you get the coupon booklet. It's

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Speaker 26: worth about twenty dollars worth of deals and you can

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Speaker 26: find them at you know, one of the fifty plus

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Speaker 26: pen station locations in Cincinnati where pen Station is located

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Speaker 26: and headquartered.

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm on the website right now. There is

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Speaker 2: a link on the website that details more in depth

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Speaker 2: of deals for down syndrome. Also an opportunity if you

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Speaker 2: want to donate to your local down syndrome organization, you

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Speaker 2: can do that. Why was this and why has this

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Speaker 2: been important for you guys to be a part of.

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Speaker 2: Obviously giving back into the community is huge, and you

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Speaker 2: guys do so well with so many different things with that.

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Speaker 2: But why has this been something that you guys have

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Speaker 2: circled of importance?

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Speaker 26: You know, the Down cent Room Association is not as

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Speaker 26: high profile as a lot of causes across the United States,

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Speaker 26: but we've felt like the community was something that we

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Speaker 26: could have a big impact with and that really needed

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Speaker 26: the funding and the support, but also make a huge

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Speaker 26: difference with a community of really special people that are

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Speaker 26: really important contributors to the community, and we wanted to

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Speaker 26: give them the support to get the types of get

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Speaker 26: great programming that supports their unique way, unique style, and

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Speaker 26: unique needs. So the Deals for Down Syndrome program does

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Speaker 26: support them. Over the past you know years, we've raised

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Speaker 26: about two million dollars, which has been really amazing to

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Speaker 26: support this community of a humans.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome stuff. Jane, what is the easiest way, obviously,

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Speaker 2: just to get into your local pen station and you

2339
02:02:07,880 --> 02:02:10,040
Speaker 2: could find out more information. You could purchase the booklet

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02:02:10,360 --> 02:02:13,400
Speaker 2: with a five dollars donation or go to the website

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02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:15,200
Speaker 2: as well. Is that the easiest way to learn more

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02:02:15,240 --> 02:02:16,080
Speaker 2: and to become involved.

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02:02:16,760 --> 02:02:19,520
Speaker 26: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And the easiest way to access one

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02:02:19,560 --> 02:02:22,560
Speaker 26: really is to place an online order. You can place

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02:02:22,600 --> 02:02:25,600
Speaker 26: an online order for pickup or delivery for some great cheese,

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02:02:25,600 --> 02:02:29,839
Speaker 26: steaks or Italian subs, and then also order your Deals

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02:02:29,840 --> 02:02:33,800
Speaker 26: for Down Syndrome coupon booklet along with your fresh cut

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02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:38,640
Speaker 26: fries and lemonade and sub and then order it online

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02:02:38,640 --> 02:02:41,000
Speaker 26: and get it delivered. So that's the easiest way to

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02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:42,880
Speaker 26: access it, or you can go into your local Pen

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Speaker 26: Station and pick up one while you're picking up lunch

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Speaker 26: for dinner.

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Speaker 2: And grab some cookies as well. I can't stress that enough.

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Speaker 2: Is Jane macpherson. Jane, thank you so much. We certainly

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Speaker 2: appreciate Penn Station here with Cincy three sixty and awesome

2356
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Speaker 2: to see all the amazing things that you guys are

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Speaker 2: involved in. And we can't thank you enough for your

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Speaker 2: time today.

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Speaker 5: We love it.

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Speaker 26: Thank you so much, Tony, and have a great afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. That is Jane McPherson from Penn Station. This is

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Speaker 2: since he three sixty brought to you here and now

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Speaker 2: number three by Penn Station. Moweger is next with quick

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Speaker 2: Hits on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 39: It's closy Sincy three sixty continues on ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 39: Cincinnati Sports Station. It's time for Cincy three sixty Quick

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Speaker 39: hits on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Is Looking for Mo. All right, let's find Mo because

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Speaker 2: it's Tuesday, which means we can find him at Oakley

2370
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Speaker 2: Greens in Oakley, joining us now getting ready for the

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Speaker 2: Mowegar Show. What's up, Mo? How are we doing fellas?

2372
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Speaker 2: I'm great?

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Speaker 32: Mo?

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Speaker 2: How are you man, I've never been better.

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Speaker 13: I'm at Oakley Greens, got a gorgeous.

2376
02:03:48,800 --> 02:03:52,720
Speaker 6: Day outside and got a nice cold Coca Cola. We

2377
02:03:52,760 --> 02:03:54,680
Speaker 6: have a lot going on here, and we have a

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Speaker 6: radio show that I think is going to be.

2379
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Speaker 2: A lot of fun. What are you coming up on

2380
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Speaker 2: that radio show?

2381
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Speaker 13: What a fun sports night?

2382
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:02,560
Speaker 2: Last night, Equinox FC.

2383
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Speaker 6: Cincinnati wins right Game one. Terrific defensive performance, big goal

2384
02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:10,600
Speaker 6: by Kevin Denke. So Taylor Twelman's going to join our show.

2385
02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:13,080
Speaker 6: Love that guy at four forty five. We're looking forward

2386
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Speaker 6: to that.

2387
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Speaker 13: Yeah, he is.

2388
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Speaker 6: He is the best of the business. We'll talk about

2389
02:04:16,360 --> 02:04:17,920
Speaker 6: last night. Did you guys stay up?

2390
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Speaker 2: Nope? I stayed up till eleven thirty. I dozed off.

2391
02:04:21,160 --> 02:04:23,280
Speaker 2: I woke up with my kid at two in the morning,

2392
02:04:23,400 --> 02:04:25,760
Speaker 2: and I saw text messages that the game was still

2393
02:04:25,760 --> 02:04:27,360
Speaker 2: going on, and I watched the remainder of.

2394
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Speaker 6: It in the fifteenth inning. I just started rooting for

2395
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:34,320
Speaker 6: like thirty five innings. I wanted to be awake when

2396
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Speaker 6: my wife.

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Speaker 2: Got up for work. Yeah. Yeah, do you regret it

2398
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:39,880
Speaker 2: all today? Say? Was it worth all?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: It's a great game. I love watching great games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hell yeah.

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Speaker 13: It was a terrific game.

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Speaker 6: Now, I think it's fascinating to think about how Toronto

2404
02:04:49,920 --> 02:04:54,600
Speaker 6: respawns because you know, the Red Sox in twenty eighteen

2405
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:58,400
Speaker 6: lost an eighteen inning Game three and then fell behind

2406
02:04:58,440 --> 02:05:02,800
Speaker 6: four nothing in Game four and still came back and won.

2407
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:06,680
Speaker 6: So can Toronto do that tonight against shoe Hey Otani

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Speaker 6: with Shane Bieber on the hill. I think it's fascinating.

2409
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Speaker 6: What's not fascinating is Duke Tobin and the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: But out of some.

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Speaker 6: Obligation, I guess we'll spend some time on them. Paul

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Speaker 6: Danner Junior will be with us in the first hour

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Speaker 6: of the show. Our guy Sean sayed from these Stats

2414
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Speaker 6: and Schemes podcast, we'll talk some UC football as well.

2415
02:05:23,520 --> 02:05:26,800
Speaker 6: Scott Sadafield talked earlier today, we'll have the best of that.

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Speaker 6: I just want everybody to go back and admit something

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02:05:30,520 --> 02:05:33,440
Speaker 6: that I tried to remind everybody of two years ago.

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Speaker 6: And I'm you know, I'm not a huge like, Hey,

2419
02:05:36,200 --> 02:05:39,040
Speaker 6: I was right, you were wrong, Hey I told you so.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe that.

2421
02:05:40,720 --> 02:05:43,360
Speaker 6: And I think this UC football team still has a

2422
02:05:43,400 --> 02:05:45,320
Speaker 6: lot of work to do for us all to feel

2423
02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:47,760
Speaker 6: great about the season. But there was something that I

2424
02:05:47,880 --> 02:05:50,680
Speaker 6: tried to say every week two two and a half

2425
02:05:50,760 --> 02:05:53,800
Speaker 6: years ago, and nobody wanted to hear it. I've proven

2426
02:05:53,880 --> 02:05:56,760
Speaker 6: to be right, and so I just want someone to.

2427
02:05:56,720 --> 02:05:58,640
Speaker 2: Say, Mo, you were right.

2428
02:05:59,320 --> 02:06:04,320
Speaker 13: I was wrong. You're smart, I'm dumb, You're attractive.

2429
02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm ugly.

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Speaker 13: Just let's just go down that road for a few minutes.

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Speaker 2: You know, they might have to do it. We talked

2432
02:06:10,200 --> 02:06:13,600
Speaker 2: yesterday off air. They've been pretty healthy. They might have

2433
02:06:13,680 --> 02:06:16,280
Speaker 2: to do it shorthanded if they can't get Evan Pryor

2434
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Speaker 2: back this week. How much difference does that make in

2435
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Speaker 2: this offense.

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02:06:19,000 --> 02:06:21,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's gonna make a difference. You know,

2437
02:06:21,640 --> 02:06:24,640
Speaker 6: we're gonna see, I guess a little bit more of

2438
02:06:25,800 --> 02:06:28,960
Speaker 6: Manny Covey and Chase Williams. I don't think Evan Pryor

2439
02:06:29,040 --> 02:06:31,480
Speaker 6: is gonna plays Scott's sadderfield is gonna put him on

2440
02:06:31,520 --> 02:06:34,760
Speaker 6: the injury report as out that obviously, I guess can

2441
02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:38,240
Speaker 6: change as the week unfolds. But it was the very

2442
02:06:38,240 --> 02:06:39,960
Speaker 6: first thing I said to you after the game was

2443
02:06:40,040 --> 02:06:42,600
Speaker 6: I'm interested in seeing what happens with Evan. To this point,

2444
02:06:42,600 --> 02:06:45,200
Speaker 6: they've won seven straight games. I think largely on the

2445
02:06:45,200 --> 02:06:48,440
Speaker 6: strength of really good health. Obviously would love to have

2446
02:06:48,680 --> 02:06:52,440
Speaker 6: Dante Corleone on, but Evan Pryor is their home run hitter. Offensively,

2447
02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:55,440
Speaker 6: I think the good news is, you know, number one,

2448
02:06:55,960 --> 02:06:57,920
Speaker 6: when you have a balanced offense, and you saw it

2449
02:06:57,960 --> 02:07:00,680
Speaker 6: this week, you can kind of lean on the other

2450
02:07:00,760 --> 02:07:06,480
Speaker 6: part of your team. But man, Evan Pryor is often

2451
02:07:06,520 --> 02:07:08,560
Speaker 6: good for one or two long runs per game, and

2452
02:07:08,600 --> 02:07:10,280
Speaker 6: not having him is going to be a tough blow.

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02:07:10,680 --> 02:07:13,480
Speaker 2: Going back to last night, I find many people that

2454
02:07:13,640 --> 02:07:16,560
Speaker 2: just don't like the Dodgers, and you know they bought

2455
02:07:16,560 --> 02:07:21,200
Speaker 2: the chant, whatever it is. I find myself almost impossible

2456
02:07:21,480 --> 02:07:26,240
Speaker 2: to root against. Freddie Freeman agreed, he's so good, the

2457
02:07:26,360 --> 02:07:29,760
Speaker 2: ultimate professional. Him having that moment last night was awesome.

2458
02:07:29,800 --> 02:07:31,800
Speaker 2: But there was a moment mo a couple weeks ago.

2459
02:07:31,840 --> 02:07:34,800
Speaker 2: You and I were sitting in Stillwater and we watched

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02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:36,960
Speaker 2: a baseball game where Shoheo Tani struck out ten and

2461
02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:39,120
Speaker 2: hit three home runs, and I remember talking with you

2462
02:07:39,280 --> 02:07:41,760
Speaker 2: like this is something we're never going to see again,

2463
02:07:42,640 --> 02:07:46,160
Speaker 2: like this is this is history, and then you flash

2464
02:07:46,240 --> 02:07:48,960
Speaker 2: forward to last night. I don't think in my lifetime

2465
02:07:49,000 --> 02:07:51,560
Speaker 2: I'll ever see something like that again. Getting on base

2466
02:07:51,680 --> 02:07:54,080
Speaker 2: nine times, and then you flash forward and the guy's

2467
02:07:54,080 --> 02:07:57,320
Speaker 2: gonna go take the mound today to pitch in Game

2468
02:07:57,360 --> 02:08:01,280
Speaker 2: four of the World Series. It's literally other worldly what

2469
02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:01,800
Speaker 2: he's doing.

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Speaker 6: It's the greatest show in sports. You know, you might

2471
02:08:07,040 --> 02:08:09,480
Speaker 6: not want to hear that because you don't love baseball,

2472
02:08:09,560 --> 02:08:11,080
Speaker 6: or because he doesn't play for the Reds. He's the

2473
02:08:11,080 --> 02:08:13,360
Speaker 6: greatest show in sports. And he comes up and ties

2474
02:08:13,400 --> 02:08:16,480
Speaker 6: the game with the home run last night. He has

2475
02:08:16,520 --> 02:08:19,600
Speaker 6: the respect of a manager to a degree that with Mookie.

2476
02:08:19,200 --> 02:08:21,320
Speaker 2: Bets hitting behind him.

2477
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Speaker 6: In Game three of the World Series, the Blue Jays

2478
02:08:24,760 --> 02:08:28,200
Speaker 6: just said often with him representing the winning run, we're

2479
02:08:28,240 --> 02:08:28,680
Speaker 6: putting you.

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02:08:28,680 --> 02:08:29,800
Speaker 2: On yeah, five times.

2481
02:08:29,960 --> 02:08:34,080
Speaker 6: Like I'm not sure we ever saw Barry Bonds get

2482
02:08:34,080 --> 02:08:35,960
Speaker 6: that level of respect. And he was the guy who

2483
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:40,320
Speaker 6: was intentionally walked more than anyone. I mean after the game,

2484
02:08:40,920 --> 02:08:43,840
Speaker 6: it was acknowledged in Game four, we're just gonna put

2485
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Speaker 6: him on.

2486
02:08:44,720 --> 02:08:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2487
02:08:45,120 --> 02:08:48,680
Speaker 6: He's hitting in front of Mookie Bets and Freddie Freeman.

2488
02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:51,080
Speaker 6: And by the way, he got thrown out stealing and

2489
02:08:51,080 --> 02:08:52,960
Speaker 6: trying to steal second base last night, but.

2490
02:08:52,960 --> 02:08:54,200
Speaker 2: He could steal a bag too.

2491
02:08:54,760 --> 02:08:57,640
Speaker 6: He is so dangerous that the other team's managers are

2492
02:08:57,680 --> 02:09:02,000
Speaker 6: now saying, screw it, other We'd rather put ourselves at

2493
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:04,760
Speaker 6: a greater statistical risk of giving up a run in

2494
02:09:04,840 --> 02:09:08,000
Speaker 6: what are likely to be close games in the World

2495
02:09:08,120 --> 02:09:11,000
Speaker 6: Series that actually pitched to them. It's the greatest show

2496
02:09:11,000 --> 02:09:14,760
Speaker 6: in sports right now. Yeah, I'm not. I'm rooting for

2497
02:09:14,880 --> 02:09:17,000
Speaker 6: the Dodgers to a degree in running for a great series,

2498
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:19,520
Speaker 6: and so I'd like for Toronto to win some games here.

2499
02:09:20,200 --> 02:09:21,720
Speaker 6: You know, the Blue Jays had the fifth highest pay

2500
02:09:21,800 --> 02:09:27,360
Speaker 6: roll in baseball, right you know they they came this

2501
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:30,400
Speaker 6: close to acquiring show Hey O, Tommy and and probably

2502
02:09:30,400 --> 02:09:32,320
Speaker 6: would have paid almost as much as the Dodgers.

2503
02:09:32,360 --> 02:09:32,520
Speaker 4: Are.

2504
02:09:33,080 --> 02:09:36,400
Speaker 13: Like, this isn't some mom and pop Canadian.

2505
02:09:35,920 --> 02:09:39,440
Speaker 6: Franchise where they they put together their pennies by selling

2506
02:09:39,440 --> 02:09:43,040
Speaker 6: Tim Horton's donuts in the middle of a residential neighborhood

2507
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:45,880
Speaker 6: to buy a baseball team. And everybody's making the fifth

2508
02:09:45,960 --> 02:09:50,000
Speaker 6: highest payroll in baseball. Yeah, why do we hate teams

2509
02:09:50,040 --> 02:09:50,680
Speaker 6: that try.

2510
02:09:50,480 --> 02:09:51,960
Speaker 2: To win pay money?

2511
02:09:52,160 --> 02:09:54,560
Speaker 6: I'm with you, Like, you can hate the rules, and

2512
02:09:54,600 --> 02:09:57,320
Speaker 6: you could you could hope that baseball changes its rules. Okay,

2513
02:09:57,360 --> 02:10:00,560
Speaker 6: hate there's something to that. I'll acknowledge that. Don't hate

2514
02:10:00,600 --> 02:10:04,760
Speaker 6: the Dodgers. Hate the Pirates yep, who never try to win.

2515
02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:08,720
Speaker 6: Hate the A's who sabotage their relationship with Oakland by

2516
02:10:08,760 --> 02:10:13,360
Speaker 6: not trying to win. Like baseball fans are brainwashed, and

2517
02:10:13,440 --> 02:10:16,680
Speaker 6: I mean this, Baseball fans have been brainwashed over the

2518
02:10:16,720 --> 02:10:19,320
Speaker 6: last thirty years to believe that you're evil if you

2519
02:10:19,400 --> 02:10:22,000
Speaker 6: try to win. You're evil if you try to take

2520
02:10:22,040 --> 02:10:24,840
Speaker 6: advantage of advantages that you have that the sport says

2521
02:10:24,840 --> 02:10:28,480
Speaker 6: you could have. Meanwhile, owners go, oh, you know, we

2522
02:10:28,480 --> 02:10:30,880
Speaker 6: don't have any money and I'm not even sure if

2523
02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:32,680
Speaker 6: we can turn on the lands at the ballpark, and

2524
02:10:33,120 --> 02:10:34,960
Speaker 6: a lot of fans not most, not all, but a

2525
02:10:34,960 --> 02:10:39,680
Speaker 6: lot of fans go, okay, we don't need to see

2526
02:10:39,680 --> 02:10:43,520
Speaker 6: your books. Like I don't understand it. Yeah, so yeah, man,

2527
02:10:43,560 --> 02:10:45,480
Speaker 6: I'm problem with the Dodgers. By the way, Dodgers are

2528
02:10:45,480 --> 02:10:47,880
Speaker 6: great at developing players. Sure, they've brought a lot of

2529
02:10:47,880 --> 02:10:51,560
Speaker 6: guys through their system. Like you know, again, I want

2530
02:10:51,640 --> 02:10:53,760
Speaker 6: I want a seven game series. And then at that point,

2531
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:57,160
Speaker 6: I don't really care that much. But I do not understand.

2532
02:10:57,200 --> 02:10:59,080
Speaker 6: I'm not rooting for them because they have a high.

2533
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:04,400
Speaker 2: Pay run one other with Otani because in our lifetimes

2534
02:11:04,600 --> 02:11:09,320
Speaker 2: I remember watching Jordan. I watched Lebron. You watch Tiger

2535
02:11:09,360 --> 02:11:11,840
Speaker 2: Woods in his prime. We just saw Alex Ovechkin break

2536
02:11:11,880 --> 02:11:15,560
Speaker 2: the all time goal scorer record in the National Hockey League.

2537
02:11:15,600 --> 02:11:19,000
Speaker 2: We're now getting to watch Otani. There's a large contingent

2538
02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:21,600
Speaker 2: that thinks Tom Brady is the greatest of all time

2539
02:11:21,800 --> 02:11:24,520
Speaker 2: in the NFL. When you think of the greats that

2540
02:11:24,600 --> 02:11:26,600
Speaker 2: you've had a chance to watch in your lifetime as

2541
02:11:26,600 --> 02:11:29,880
Speaker 2: a sports fan, now seeing what Otani's doing. Danman put

2542
02:11:29,880 --> 02:11:31,520
Speaker 2: it well earlier, like there's going to be one hundred

2543
02:11:31,560 --> 02:11:34,080
Speaker 2: years from now where folks are going to talk about

2544
02:11:34,120 --> 02:11:36,960
Speaker 2: Otani the way people have talked about Babe Ruth and

2545
02:11:37,000 --> 02:11:40,000
Speaker 2: what he did, and we're alive to see that. Where

2546
02:11:40,000 --> 02:11:43,080
Speaker 2: do you rank Otani in the athletes that you've had

2547
02:11:43,120 --> 02:11:45,080
Speaker 2: an opportunity to watch? Well?

2548
02:11:45,120 --> 02:11:47,480
Speaker 6: I think baseball is different because one guy can only

2549
02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:50,120
Speaker 6: make so much of an impact. Like the two greatest

2550
02:11:50,120 --> 02:11:53,440
Speaker 6: baseball players I have ever seen are Barry Bonds and

2551
02:11:53,520 --> 02:11:56,840
Speaker 6: King Griffy Junior. Neither has a championship. They have one

2552
02:11:56,880 --> 02:12:00,240
Speaker 6: World Series between them combined. And so if if you

2553
02:12:00,240 --> 02:12:03,800
Speaker 6: put show Hey Otani on the Pittsburgh Pirates or some

2554
02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:07,000
Speaker 6: of the recent Reds teams of recent vintage. He's not

2555
02:12:07,120 --> 02:12:10,560
Speaker 6: making that much of an impact, but the respect he's

2556
02:12:10,560 --> 02:12:15,280
Speaker 6: shown by other teams, the home runs that he hits,

2557
02:12:15,320 --> 02:12:19,960
Speaker 6: these just majestic, towering blasts. What he does on the mound,

2558
02:12:20,680 --> 02:12:23,720
Speaker 6: it's unlike anything we've seen in the sport. I don't

2559
02:12:23,720 --> 02:12:26,480
Speaker 6: love comparing a baseball player to a basketball player, because

2560
02:12:26,720 --> 02:12:28,880
Speaker 6: a great basketball player can make so much more of

2561
02:12:28,880 --> 02:12:30,680
Speaker 6: a difference, same for a great quarterback.

2562
02:12:31,120 --> 02:12:32,000
Speaker 2: But in baseball, I.

2563
02:12:32,000 --> 02:12:36,200
Speaker 6: Don't think we've seen anything like this, and I think

2564
02:12:36,200 --> 02:12:36,920
Speaker 6: it's a lot of fun.

2565
02:12:36,960 --> 02:12:37,160
Speaker 41: Man.

2566
02:12:37,240 --> 02:12:38,440
Speaker 13: And look, I get it.

2567
02:12:38,440 --> 02:12:41,160
Speaker 6: There are baseball fans who if their team's not playing,

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Speaker 6: they don't watch. That's okay, It's not up to me

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Speaker 6: to tell people what to do with their free time

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Speaker 6: and money. But I also hear some of the same

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Speaker 6: baseball fans go, well, we don't have any stars, helly,

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02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:53,360
Speaker 6: no stars, this guy.

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Speaker 2: You won't watch this dude, right?

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Speaker 13: Kid me, By the way, seems like an awesome teammate.

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Speaker 6: His teammates really seem to like him, and I think

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Speaker 6: it's cool that he's being given the stage too, because

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Speaker 6: you know, I mentioned Ken Griffey Junior never really got

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02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:10,320
Speaker 6: this stage. You know, played in a in a playoff

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02:13:10,320 --> 02:13:12,400
Speaker 6: with the Seattle Mariners against the New York Yankees. That

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02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:14,440
Speaker 6: was great, but people hated baseball at that point, so

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02:13:14,480 --> 02:13:17,560
Speaker 6: they weren't watching. Played in the playoffs a few other times,

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Speaker 6: never really took.

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Speaker 13: I think it's cool that the biggest star in the sport.

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Speaker 2: Is getting this stage.

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Speaker 6: And and again, man, if that bothers you because the

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02:13:26,520 --> 02:13:28,360
Speaker 6: Dodgers spent a lot of money, well, then root for

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02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:31,480
Speaker 6: the lockout that's coming next year, right, I mean, honestly,

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02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:33,160
Speaker 6: that's that's how it changes. Root for like a four

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02:13:33,200 --> 02:13:35,920
Speaker 6: year lockout because that's the only way baseball is economically.

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02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:38,880
Speaker 6: So enjoy not having any baseball for four years? Why

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02:13:38,960 --> 02:13:40,240
Speaker 6: you enjoy that lockout?

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Speaker 3: Well, before we let you go, former Bengals defensive tackle

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Speaker 3: Lawrence Guy announced his retirement. What are your memories of

2594
02:13:46,640 --> 02:13:49,120
Speaker 3: the Lawrence Guy era oh Man.

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02:13:51,240 --> 02:13:51,480
Speaker 2: Show?

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02:13:52,280 --> 02:13:52,480
Speaker 4: You know?

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02:13:54,280 --> 02:13:56,760
Speaker 6: So he played for the Patriots, right, and there was

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02:13:56,800 --> 02:13:59,160
Speaker 6: this time where if the Bengals got anybody who would

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02:13:59,160 --> 02:14:01,880
Speaker 6: even like he been at the night in Boston, it's

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Speaker 6: like Patriots way, Patriots way. Remember Ben Jarvis Brinellis, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 6: Patriots Why? And then got here and then he was

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Speaker 6: like that Patriots Way sort of sucked, but there was

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Speaker 6: a time where it's like, oh, Patriots Way, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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02:14:15,600 --> 02:14:19,760
Speaker 6: Lawrence Guy defensive tackle. There it is, I believe, the

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Speaker 6: only Bengals player with the last name of Guy. And

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02:14:24,160 --> 02:14:26,560
Speaker 6: if they invite him for a Ring of honor, so

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02:14:27,600 --> 02:14:29,960
Speaker 6: is he gonna lie about the Bengals not paying his

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02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:30,880
Speaker 6: airfare and hotel?

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Speaker 2: I can't say. Mulager is up next. Good show. He's

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Speaker 2: got Paul Danner Junior joining him in our number one.

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Speaker 2: We're done. Thanks for listening. We're back at it tomorrow

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Speaker 2: from noon to three. Until then, enjoyed the Malaga Show.

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