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Speaker 1: Bobby Ce and Morris Hayes kind enough to join us

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Speaker 1: for one more segment.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Prince.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the new musical, which premieres tomorrow officially,

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Speaker 1: and a couple of other things as well. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if either of you are familiar with

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Speaker 1: Pat Kessler. Kessler is a legendary political reporter in Talent

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Speaker 1: and Channel four for decades. He's kind of retired now,

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Speaker 1: so he bugs us. We have him on, we throw

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Speaker 1: him a ball because I think he's bored. He didn't

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Speaker 1: have much to do. And anytime anybody talks about any

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl halftime show, even some in the last few years,

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Speaker 1: and somebody says that was you know, and that was

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Speaker 1: pretty damn good immediately on X the comeback from Kessler

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Speaker 1: is it might have been good, but it still doesn't

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Speaker 1: touch Prince two thousand and seven halftime show.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's this automatic itch that he has.

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Speaker 1: To scratch and more. As you were there, I think

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Speaker 1: for that one, that's correct, that's great. What I mean

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Speaker 1: as it's happening, does it in real time feel as

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Speaker 1: magical as people view it looking back after?

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Speaker 2: You know, with the amount of time, the distance of time.

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Speaker 1: Did it feel like you were part of something pretty

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Speaker 3: You knew that you were in the history. Like it

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Speaker 3: was like Prince knew it. We knew it. It was

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Speaker 3: crazy because it was Miami and it was outside and

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Speaker 3: this storm was coming up the coast, and so you know,

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Speaker 3: on Friday, you shoot the thing in full dress rehearsal.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you shoot it like you're gonna look like

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Speaker 3: for Super Bowl Sunday, just in case there's a glitch anything.

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Speaker 2: So we did this whole thing. They filmed it.

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Speaker 3: They told us like, if the storm comes up and

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Speaker 3: it's too tough, we're gonna run this. If people in

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Speaker 3: the audience are going to see the video, the people

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Speaker 3: at homost see this, we're going to super impose some lightning.

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Speaker 3: So they tell them like, well, Prince, it looks like

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Speaker 3: the weather's bad and it's gonna rain on you. He said,

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Speaker 3: can you make it rain harder? And he's like I'm

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Speaker 3: sitting there going like, we don't electrocute him, don't let

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Speaker 3: him like him arc on the microphone and get him barbecue.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like going through the whole thing. Sure, And

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Speaker 3: in the NFL, man if I can tell you anything.

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Speaker 3: These jokers had a contingency plan. For the contingency plan.

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Speaker 2: Every t was crossed, every eye was dotted.

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Speaker 3: They had technology work and I'd never seen before, and

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Speaker 3: they made sure that everything that could be done, it

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Speaker 2: And so I it was.

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Speaker 3: It was so to see him get up there, man

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Speaker 3: and the weather all the most of us almost slipped

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Speaker 3: and fell down and almost fell. But you know, it

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Speaker 3: was such an iconic moment because I think that the

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Speaker 3: is when we were putting that together, Prince was like, well,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to go up there and do just

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Speaker 3: a bunch of my songs. You know, we did some

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Speaker 3: you know, Creton's career, water like all of these things

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Speaker 3: all of the things that we liked. And because I

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Speaker 3: a lot of times in these polls is because that

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what makes the difference in that.

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Speaker 3: And not to mention, he just Prince, and he just

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Speaker 3: like Michael Jordan made a reference to Michael Jordan, Nevis's

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Speaker 3: And that's Prince. He's just like Rainshine. Whatever, he's gonna win.

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Speaker 3: That's you know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm I'm you know, I keep reading

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Speaker 1: Unpublished material, you know, the treasure trove is endless. There's that.

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Speaker 2: In fact, there's so much of it.

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Speaker 1: It's it's the challenge of going through it and what

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if this is in there.

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Speaker 1: My regret because I just thought he was so versatile

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Speaker 1: interpret some of those songs. There's some people you don't

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Speaker 1: want him to touch those things, right, they're sacred. But that's

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Speaker 1: always been my one regret. I would have loved to

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Speaker 2: He couldn't do.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I mean he did at the end

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Speaker 4: during the concerts, he turned those into some that's true

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Speaker 4: covers and a lot of fun bringing people up. I

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Speaker 4: saw an audience guy sing play that funky music. Yes,

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Speaker 4: you know, so he definitely was a student of music.

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Speaker 4: He loved all that R and B you're talking about,

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Speaker 4: and we would play a lot of that rehearsal. There

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Speaker 4: would always be, you know, songs that he would admire

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Speaker 4: and interpret. But you're right, I mean, they're just I

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Speaker 4: don't think there was an artist since Prince that, you know,

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Speaker 4: whether it's the metal guys like him, the polka guys

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Speaker 4: him there's just something about his crossover ability that everybody knew.

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Speaker 4: The musicianship was spectacular exactly. The songwriting was as good

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Speaker 1: He respected music right for all his own styles. That's

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Speaker 1: what came across to me is he was not dismissive

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Speaker 3: Absolute that was a big deal for Prince. I have

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Speaker 3: in my cell phone, man, at least two hundred and

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Speaker 3: fifty to three hundred artists that were, like like Paul McCartney,

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Speaker 3: like from everybody that would just make it their business

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Speaker 3: to always come to Prince and just say, you know,

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Speaker 1: Let me get to a text here regarding the Stones concert,

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Speaker 1: Jim writes, Dan, I was living in la at the time.

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Speaker 1: A Stones concert was at the Coliseum show where Prince

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Speaker 1: was treated so badly. It was all that and then

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Speaker 1: so I remember Prince dodging what I think was at

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Speaker 1: Jack Daniel's bottle thrown at him. Lots of beer, lots

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Speaker 1: thinking that when that tour was announced, how bad of

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Speaker 2: Is that a pretty apt description? Pretty accurate?

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Speaker 4: I mean I think that you know, Mick and Keith

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Speaker 4: So I mean there was Prince, there was George Thurger

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Speaker 4: And then I didn't hear from him for about two

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Speaker 4: hear nineteen ninety nine. So he's given that over here

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Speaker 1: Was did he take it hard at that on that occasion?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Because there was two shows. So you know, it

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Speaker 4: So they tore this all down, played a RAMS game,

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Speaker 4: you know, there was nothing you could feel it, there

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Speaker 4: And then they brought the stuff like, oh, I'm bringing

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Speaker 4: It was a bloodbath the second show. But he at

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Speaker 3: One of the things he did say though, and he

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Speaker 4: But the Jack Daniel's battle was real.

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Speaker 2: That's legit. It his head confirmed.

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Speaker 1: At least I got never moved so quick to your

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Speaker 1: left or right in your life. Right, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Let's bring it full circle as we wrap up. Tomorrow

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Speaker 1: and and again we should remind folks, this isn't this

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Speaker 2: Man, I think it's it's special, outstanding.

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Speaker 1: Right, bulletin board material for him, right as we say

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Speaker 1: You guys are great. This is a great conversation. Best

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Speaker 2: As you did. Appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Seaffert to talk Purple. That's next.

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Speaker 1: Well good luck following that, Seaffert, I mean, I got

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Speaker 7: Well, it's the old thing about the man in the arena.

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Speaker 1: Were there for the two thousand and seven that Super Bowl? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you've told this story before the Sid prince Ye moment.

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Speaker 7: And you know, Sid had never even met him before,

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Speaker 7: You know, persistence works in our business and probably every.

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Speaker 1: Let us know, I don't want to like spend the

436
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Speaker 1: whole time on the Lions game, but it's not that

437
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Speaker 1: far in the rearview mirror. This is, after all, Tuesday,

438
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Speaker 1: so you like, I think a lot of people thought

439
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Speaker 1: it was going to be fairly one sided. What's at

440
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Speaker 1: the top of your of the Kevin Seffert gobsmacked list

441
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Speaker 1: regarding that game?

442
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Speaker 7: I mean, frankly, the defensively, every time the Lions had

443
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Speaker 7: played the Vikings and Brian Flores, they'd scored at least

444
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Speaker 7: thirty points. And not only were they did they have

445
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Speaker 7: trouble sometimes often with the run, but Jared Goff just

446
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 7: was smoking them. I mean he was completing like eighty

447
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 7: percent of his passes and over a thousand yards in

448
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Speaker 7: those four games, and his QBR was in the eighties.

449
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Speaker 7: And so they had not had you And then they'd

450
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Speaker 7: had a lot of troubles stopping the run this season

451
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Speaker 7: and had played their worst two games of the season

452
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Speaker 7: as a defense in those against Philly and Chargers leading

453
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Speaker 7: into it, and so I was having a hard time

454
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Speaker 7: figuring out, you know, where the where the the the

455
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Speaker 7: ooph was going to come from, Like how are they

456
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Speaker 7: going to slow down? Assuming that the Vikings offense was

457
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Speaker 7: not going to be explosive enough to win a forty

458
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Speaker 7: you know point game, and I don't think they would

459
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Speaker 7: have been, but they really came up, had had some

460
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Speaker 7: good ideas and the Lions were very slow to adjust.

461
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Speaker 7: But they you know, really from the start, I think

462
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 7: it was you know, they obviously that first possession, the

463
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Speaker 7: Lions went down the field and that didn't look too good.

464
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Speaker 7: But starting with the second possession, they got a three

465
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Speaker 7: and out. They they there was a play I think

466
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Speaker 7: where both linebackers Cashman and Ivan Pace blitzed and they

467
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 7: kind of did some some twists and some games, and

468
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Speaker 7: then the defensive tackle Levi Drake Rodriguez got involved and

469
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Speaker 7: they just all three overpowered the people the Lions had.

470
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Speaker 7: And I couldn't remember many times when I had seen

471
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Speaker 7: that happen by the Vikings defense in the past two

472
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Speaker 7: years against the Lions. When I saw that, I was like, well,

473
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Speaker 7: you know, we'll see if they can sustain it. But

474
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Speaker 7: that's in itself was really interesting. They just kept doing that.

475
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Speaker 7: I think they their inside linebackers had like ten or

476
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Speaker 7: eleven pressures. Jamiir Gibbs was way overpowered, and a lot

477
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Speaker 7: of people have already talked about that, but they it

478
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Speaker 7: was a weakness they identified and they exploited, and the

479
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 7: lines were very slow to adjust to, and the adjustment

480
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 7: was to take him off the field, which you don't

481
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Speaker 7: want to do because he's a really good running back.

482
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Speaker 7: But when he was out there, they were they were

483
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Speaker 7: blitzing him and keeping him from getting into the into

484
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Speaker 7: the space. So that's what I was gobsmacked by that

485
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Speaker 7: They even though they gave up a bunch of points,

486
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Speaker 7: you know, in the or not a bunch, but they

487
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Speaker 7: gave up you know, twenty four whatever it was. And

488
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Speaker 7: I think if the Lions had gotten the ball back,

489
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Speaker 7: they might have given up some more. But the point

490
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Speaker 7: is I did not see that coming from the defense,

491
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Speaker 7: and that's what they needed that, you know, and we've

492
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Speaker 7: been talking about this like that's that's where the oof

493
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Speaker 7: was going to have to come from from this team

494
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Speaker 7: as they developed the quarterback on the other side.

495
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Speaker 1: Well, so we know that historically the Vikings and b

496
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Speaker 1: Flow have blitzed Golf a lot, and he's tended to

497
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Speaker 1: dice it up.

498
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so everybody who blitzes him gets So what.

499
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Speaker 2: What what was different? Was it the form of blitzing?

500
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: Was it they were so?

501
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: Was it an x as and O's adjustment or was

502
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: it just players played better?

503
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Speaker 7: I mean there was a physical there was a physical

504
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 7: advantage that they exploited, not just with Gibbs but the

505
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 7: Lions Frank ragnow retired and re guard. There's been some

506
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 7: injuries and their interior offensive line is not nearly as

507
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 7: strong as it has been in the past. And so

508
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 7: like they you know, they they're the pressure was coming

509
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 7: right up the middle, which is a little bit more

510
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 7: difficult for any quarterback. You know, that's always the preferences

511
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 7: straight up the middle, and then if you get him

512
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Speaker 7: off his spots, like a lot of quarterbacks, you know,

513
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 7: it's gonna be he's not he's gonna be less accurate.

514
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 7: He's gonna maybe rush get sped up and rush decisions.

515
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Speaker 2: And that's what happened.

516
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Speaker 7: And so you know, in previous years they might have

517
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Speaker 7: tried that and they might have just been physically stopped

518
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 7: more often than they were the other day. So there

519
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 7: was a physical mismatch that they really did a great

520
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 7: job of exploiting. And schematically, you know that it wasn't

521
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Speaker 7: like the twists that they were doing, We're getting a

522
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 7: defensive tackle wide open, But a lot of times you

523
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 7: would see just really high level stuff like a defensive

524
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 7: tackle or Andrew Van Ginkle just pushing offensive linemen out

525
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 7: of the way so that another like another linebacker could

526
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 7: come behind them and and and get free a free

527
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 7: run on on Jared Goff and so you were seeing

528
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Speaker 7: a lot of that. So there was some scheme involved,

529
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Speaker 7: but I really think that just from a physical and

530
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 7: execution standpoint, that they exploited some some mismatches extensively.

531
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Speaker 1: Lots of good texts coming in, including this one. The

532
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 1: Lions had at least three linemen get injured.

533
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: Why is no one talking about that?

534
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: I just certainly talk about it when it comes to

535
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: the offense to the Vikings offensive line.

536
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I and I you know mentioned it that

537
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,719
Speaker 7: that's that that you know, Frank wragnow retiring. They've had

538
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 7: some of the streets you know, in the front of it.

539
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 7: And I and I know what he's saying, like I,

540
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 7: you know, your your your texter is saying that it

541
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 7: hasn't been a large part of the conversation even heading

542
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 7: into the game. And should knuckleheads like me have realized

543
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 7: that they were a little less you know, right, they

544
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 7: were more vulnerable than than what they had been in

545
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 7: the past.

546
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Speaker 1: Well, part of the you know, they're far be it

547
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: for me to be Danny Downer. I was very positive

548
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: on the victory yesterday and I'll continue to try to be.

549
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: But there was a there's a part of me that says,

550
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: what a courageous effort on for me? It is? It's

551
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 2: incredibly courageous. You kidding me? I mean that's hard to

552
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: do for me. I want to be able to sleep

553
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 2: at night.

554
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, so no, but but there is a

555
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: piece of this that says, well, you can't lose to

556
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: the Lions forever. I mean, at some point, football being

557
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: the game, pro football being the game it is, you're

558
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: gonna have one team rise up some and the other

559
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: team is gonna maybe go a little bit the other direction.

560
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: Because we had we lost four in a row or

561
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: five five, and it would have been six most all

562
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: time if we'd lost again. That you're not gonna I mean,

563
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: realistically speaking, the football gods are not. I don't think

564
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: going to say that. They're gonna say you're kind of

565
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: obligated occasionally to show enough resistance to actually win the

566
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: game against the Lions.

567
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's amazing. I was talking to somebody beforehand how

568
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 7: things just always turned. There were so many years and

569
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 7: you were with us for some of these games that

570
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 7: you go to Detroit and you're like, this place is dead,

571
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 7: the team is awful, the Vikings aren't it that good?

572
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 7: And they're still gonna you know, win, And sure enough

573
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 7: they did, and then it turned to where the Lions

574
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 7: got more competitive, but you're not. It's the longer you go,

575
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 7: the more you realize that eventually you know that there's

576
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 7: gonna something that's gonna you know, turn and and there's

577
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 7: That's why the league is structured the way it is.

578
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 7: It's very hard to maintain dominance over somebody.

579
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 5: For an extended period of time.

580
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: Since they didn't make a trade with the Vikings be

581
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: interested in the Sante Samuel Junior as he has now

582
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: been medically clear.

583
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 7: A lot of people are asking about that. There's a

584
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 7: lot of off season rumors about it.

585
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 2: I get.

586
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 7: I mean, I can't rule it out because no one's

587
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 7: told me absolutely positively no. But I'm not aware of

588
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 7: any imminent movement there.

589
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: Okay, you can't give us even a morsel. Well, I

590
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: don't even think we'd be at the top of the

591
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: list anyway, would we.

592
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I looked at.

593
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 1: Your your ESPN odds makers, whatever one of those fancy

594
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: shows you have about we're not even among the top

595
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: five teams favored to get to the to represent the

596
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: NFC in the Super Bowl. So we can pat ourselves

597
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: on the back about it was a great game, and

598
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 1: it was it was a game they absolutely needed to

599
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: sort of open the door of the possibility that the

600
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: season could be saved.

601
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: But around the league. You're gonna have to do it at.

602
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: A couple more times in a row probably if you

603
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: if you host and beat the Ravens, Yeah, you're gonna

604
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: probably start getting a little more elevation here. But we're

605
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: not even in the top five or six.

606
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 7: No, And I mean and and I get it because

607
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 7: I mean just and we've talked about their remaining schedule,

608
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 7: but it's largely because the division is so good. So

609
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 7: you know, if they beat if they beat the Ravens,

610
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 7: then they have to host It's the Bears next, and

611
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 7: then they have to go to Green Bay and win.

612
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: They're about to go to six and three. Yeah, I

613
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: mean hosting the Giants.

614
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 5: The Bears are finding ways to win.

615
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: They're not that good.

616
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 7: They're but they're very defensive about people saying that. You know,

617
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 7: I guess the coach was very upset with was a

618
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 7: Troy Aikman for uh, you criticism that they gave he

619
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 7: gave during a game, like you're not allowed to criticize apparently,

620
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 7: and and well he.

621
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: Was right about what he said about Caleb Williams. Caleb

622
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: Williams still is not an accurate enough course.

623
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think that the coach was saying that,

624
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 7: you know, we're not going to make excuses for how

625
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 7: we win something, and that's smart.

626
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: He's got to do what he's got to do.

627
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: He's got to build him up a little bit, right,

628
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: But pounded with the submission.

629
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 7: The point is that, and then I think Seattle's coming

630
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 7: up pretty soon. There's just I mean, it's it's a

631
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 7: very very there's all good teams, all the teams that

632
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 7: they are going to have to compete for for that spot,

633
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 7: they're already behind, and so I get why they would

634
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 7: not be in that top five.

635
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: So is it what we see in the in the

636
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: con in the division is a lot of you know,

637
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: teams with win everybody's got a winning record, right, No, yeah,

638
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: we have a chance to go back above, but nobody

639
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: with a losing record.

640
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 5: Right.

641
00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: The question is, I'm not sure. I guess I w'll

642
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: lean a little bit Lions, but I'm not sure any

643
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: of these teams are what I would classify as great.

644
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: I don't know.

645
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: I mean, because pers are showing some flaws, the Lions

646
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: are up and down a little bit.

647
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's such a week to week league.

648
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 7: Like literally going into last week, I was thinking, well,

649
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 7: you know, part of the reason the Vikings, you know,

650
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,719
Speaker 7: outlook is so rough is that they might have two

651
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 7: of the best, two of the two best teams in

652
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 7: the league and their division in Detroit and green Bay.

653
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 7: And then the Vikings beat Detroit and and green Bay

654
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 7: loses at home to the Panthers. Uh, but you know

655
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 7: they they are. It's from top to bottom. It's as

656
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 7: as competitive division as there is in the league. And

657
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 7: all four teams should have playoff expectations right now. And

658
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 7: it's and it's very rare that that when four teams

659
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 7: beat up on each other the way NFC North teams

660
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 7: are probably gonna beat up on each other the rest

661
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 7: of the way, that enough teams emerge with a good

662
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 7: enough record to all qualify for the playoffs.

663
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Speaker 1: You seem reticent to hesitate to give the kid quarterback

664
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: his due after this. Everything you're doing in the at

665
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: least today is linking to ESPN quarterback experts who basically

666
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: are this particular individual is throwing.

667
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: All kinds of cold water.

668
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: So like on the JJ performance, what what what do

669
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: we is this shock jockeing or what do we make

670
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: of this?

671
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 7: I thought, I think the best the best kind of

672
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 7: description that I've heard. It's from Dominique Foxworth, who was

673
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 7: on Get Up yesterday morning about JJ McCarthy, is that

674
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 7: he has a he he has shown an ability to

675
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 7: make loud plays. And I like the way he put it,

676
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 7: you know, loud, because it's another way of saying, like,

677
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 7: the plays he makes have huge impacts on the outcome

678
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,239
Speaker 7: of games. So if there's sixty I think they had

679
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 7: about sixty plays and we all which is a lot

680
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 7: for us yes year. Yeah, yeah, And so we walk

681
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 7: away from sixty plays and everybody's thinking, what a great

682
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 7: throw to to Jalen Naylor, What a great you know

683
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 7: run that he made for a touchdown, What a you know,

684
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 7: a nice pass that Justin Jefferson gave him a chance,

685
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 7: gave TJ Hawkson a chance.

686
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: That's three or four plays.

687
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 7: What about the other fifty five in the middle of

688
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 7: the other fifty five were very mixed And it's not

689
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 7: an insult to a quarterback making his third start of

690
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 7: his career at age twenty two to say that there

691
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 7: was a lot of plays left on the field and

692
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 7: a lot of things that if he were a fifty

693
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 7: year quarterback you would think he would and still, you know,

694
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 7: starting in the NFL, you would think that he would

695
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 7: hit and so that's really like I I'm just not

696
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 7: going to jump into the myth making and the in

697
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 7: the demagoguing of you know, as if this was college football,

698
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 7: and I think that happens a lot in college and

699
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 7: independent of the individual's you know, performance, and I think

700
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 7: there's there. There's been a lot of promising things from

701
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 7: him in the two wins that they've had, and we've

702
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 7: seen the the moxie and the competitiveness that absolutely have

703
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 7: played a role in them winning those two games. They're

704
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 7: not to be downplayed, but you know, I think everybody

705
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 7: would be well served to view it with clear eyes

706
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 7: and and not to be you know. Yeah, I know

707
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 7: the NFL made him the NFC Offensive Player of the

708
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 7: Week after that for his week, and I think that

709
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 7: just kind of fed into a little bit that you

710
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 7: can you can celebrate the good stuff, but you can't

711
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 7: have a fair.

712
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 5: Discussion about the rest.

713
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 7: Here's what he writes, is this has Ben Solac correct es, Yeah,

714
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 7: when your.

715
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: Quarterback whisperer, well, I don't know what what do we

716
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 2: call him?

717
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 5: He's just he's just he's an analyst.

718
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: Analyst, Okay, but he doesn't specialize in analyzing quarterbacks. I

719
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: don't think so, Okay, the early returns are highly worrisome.

720
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: Where ten starts from establishing a firm opinion on the

721
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: young passer, and another seventeen after that from writing that

722
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: opinion in pen not pencil, But he goes on to write,

723
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: this is a game to cast aside our quarterback obsession

724
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: and see the forest for the trees.

725
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: Ranked the Vikings.

726
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: Coaching staff the best in football this offseason, and this

727
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: game is a tremendous example. Flores and o'connellog coached their

728
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: counterparts on the Detroit sidelines in highly adverse circumstances to

729
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: make McCarthy the story of this game is to totally

730
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: erase the spectacular efforts of many Vikings coaches and players.

731
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: I simply won't have it. I simply won't have it.

732
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 7: Kevin Ce, I got I'm saying, yeah, no, And you

733
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 7: can read that as a rip on McCarthy, and it is, yeah,

734
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 7: But it's also I think, and I'm going to write

735
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 7: about this later in the week, like the whole theory

736
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 7: of the case of the Vikings in twenty twenty five,

737
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 7: that they would build a good enough team around a

738
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 7: quarterback to support him developing in real time and still

739
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 7: be a competitive, winning team. And so what he's referring

740
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 7: to is really the emergence for the first time, for

741
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 7: the most prominent time, at least this year, of all

742
00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 7: those supporting things that they had, whether it was elite

743
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 7: receivers who can who can turn imperfect passes into catches

744
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 7: and big plays, or coaches who will eventually, you know,

745
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 7: find ways to exploit as we talked about Brian Floores

746
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 7: or Kevin O'Connell, find ways to to to I don't

747
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 7: want to say dial back, but to call the plays

748
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 7: that JJ can execute in the key spots. And that's

749
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 7: not as easy, you know, you have, it takes time

750
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 7: to figure out what he can and can't do. Whether

751
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 7: it's it's you know, getting the four you know, offensive

752
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 7: lineman of the five that they hope to start all

753
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 7: together and playing well, whether it's uh, you know, getting

754
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 7: Andrew Van kingele back and showing and having a just

755
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 7: an elite playmaker and play creator for other people on

756
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 7: the field. And so I think that's just as important

757
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 7: to the success and that we talk about the playoff

758
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 7: race as as it is just I mean a quarterbacks

759
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 7: the most important position, and we can't you know, there

760
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 7: has to be a floor of performance. But the theory

761
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 7: of the case for this team is that all the

762
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 7: other things around him would be the reasons that they

763
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 7: would win games.

764
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: And that's what it felt like finally in this game,

765
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: and we forgot special teams.

766
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 7: Yes I almost left that out, you know, not just

767
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 7: the block, but you know the continued ability of Myles

768
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 7: Price to give them field position and occasionally.

769
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: For a while.

770
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 5: Indiana he was there. And yeah, I think a few

771
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 5: other schools too, don't I don't know.

772
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 7: I don't know where he picked up his elite return

773
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 7: rules anymore? About how many schools you.

774
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 5: Know, if you stayed at a school the whole time that, yeah,

775
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 5: I don't know.

776
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kevin Sievert in studio, let's get a pause in

777
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: much more to get to with him. Top five yet

778
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 1: to come and also Louis in the five o'clock hour.

779
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 6: Time now for the Vikings Report on the Fan presented

780
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Speaker 6: by Miller Lyte.

781
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: Vikings wide receiver Adam Thielen joins Denver Room.

782
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789
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Speaker 1: I'm mad at myself because I had a specific league

790
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: might have been. Was it a rules question horse collar? No,

791
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't that, I mean the hip drop. No, So

792
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: somebody just got suspended.

793
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 7: Somebody got from the Washington the first guy that gets

794
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 7: suspended for a third hip drop tackle violation.

795
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: So three times three strikes and you're out.

796
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 7: Apparently, so they had find him the first two times

797
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 7: and then they suspended.

798
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: How long is the suspension?

799
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 5: One game?

800
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 7: It's just one game, Frankie Lulo, It's it's a frustrating, Yeah,

801
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 7: it's a and and the one that was a third,

802
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 7: Like a lot of even your guy liber was questioning

803
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 7: whether it was actually a hip drop or not. You

804
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 7: watch it and there's no you know, tangled bodies or

805
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 7: anything that you would be.

806
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 5: Concerned about.

807
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 7: But the problem with this hip drop tackle is it

808
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 7: has hurt a lot of people.

809
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: But it's very difficult.

810
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 7: It was very difficult for the NFL to right a rule,

811
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 7: define it, and write a rule that could be enforced consistently.

812
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 7: And so they came up with this rule that if

813
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 7: you basically three elements. It's almost like the catch rule again,

814
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 7: but it's like three elements where you if you grab

815
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 7: a player and then you unweight yourself, which I've never

816
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 7: heard that word before, but basically you you you know,

817
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 7: you're take your feet leave the ground because you're you're

818
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 7: jumping up to try to use that force to pull

819
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 7: the player down, and then you swivel to twist him

820
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 7: to the ground and then land on his feet. And

821
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 7: that's sort of the mechanism that often causes the injury.

822
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 7: And he and he did all those three things. Uh,

823
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 7: the receiver was Jackson Smith and to give uh, we'll

824
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 7: calm JSN from Seattle. He was It wasn't injured or anything,

825
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 7: but it was still the mechanism. And so it's just

826
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 7: to me, it's just like it's a it's a well,

827
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 7: I know, it's a it's a tackling technique that sort

828
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 7: of emerged from the time when they were really focusing

829
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 7: on not hitting people in the head and area, and

830
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 7: so people were like, well, how am I supposed to tackle?

831
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 2: Well, here's a way.

832
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 7: I'll grab them by the shoulders and I'll twist them

833
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 7: down that way. And that has caused high ankle sprains

834
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 7: and broken legs and everything else, and so they're trying

835
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 7: to legislate.

836
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: That out as well, pastor penalty. I thought it was

837
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: a joke. Yeah, I guess it was.

838
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 5: They were landing. It was for landing the body weight that.

839
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: I thought the bit was land and seemed to add

840
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: extra force on your way down.

841
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: I didn't think he did.

842
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 7: Any of that. In theory, it's supposed to be if

843
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 7: you don't make it the soft, you don't make an

844
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 7: attempt to go to the side and something. The thought

845
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 7: that he did, Yeah, it's like it's quite a I mean,

846
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 7: these guys are elite athletes. Pass a lot to ask

847
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 7: This was a linebacker, but it's a lot to ask

848
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 7: anyone while you're in mid air to avoid landing on

849
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 7: top of the person you just hit.

850
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 5: Uh.

851
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 7: And so it's then it becomes a judgment call as

852
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 7: to whether the effort was was good enough.

853
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: We can officially say, right, we can officially, but yours, ah.

854
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: Trade, Nope, sorry, my bad. That's okay.

855
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: You know it sounds good. It sounds like, oh, you're

856
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: on top of things. You got all these calls.

857
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 7: And so coming old school I am and I have

858
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 7: the old school ringer is my ring.

859
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: Don't ever, don't ever ever feel you have to apologize

860
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: for that ring. Yeah, because I I've been mocked for

861
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: occasionally using that ring. I'm like, leap you if you

862
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 1: don't understand it, it's not my problem. It doesn't mean

863
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: we're like, you know, it's just all when are you

864
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: going back to sixteen eighty? No, it's just it's a

865
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: it's a comforting ring.

866
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 7: It's what tells me that it's time to actually talk

867
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 7: to somebody on the phone as opposed to texting or

868
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 7: emailing or what have you.

869
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: The change in the kickoff rule is a smashing six.

870
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: We can now say it officially can take two.

871
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Last year not so much.

872
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: But this year yeah, Well, because they did what we told,

873
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: what I said they had to do. You've got to

874
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: you have to make the penalty if you don't kick

875
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: in the right place harsher. So you have to say, well,

876
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: if you just kick it in the end zone thirty

877
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: five yard line.

878
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what to me, what's changed.

879
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 7: Amazingly The five yards was all the different because last

880
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 7: year the app when people did kick a returnable kick,

881
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 7: they were getting it to like the twenty eight point

882
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 7: eight yard line on average, and then if you just

883
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 7: kick the touchback, you it'd be at the thirty. So

884
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 7: nobody wanted to risk all the things you risk by

885
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 7: trying to cover a kick to get you know, and

886
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 7: all you lose is one point two yards. But this year,

887
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 7: if it would go to the you lose seven plus yards,

888
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 7: and that has that was enough for coaches to turn

889
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 7: the corner on it. And so the big thing, though,

890
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 7: will be because there's been such an increase in returns,

891
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 7: what will the injury and concussion numbers be. They'll be

892
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 7: bigger in you know, gross numbers because there's been more returns.

893
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 7: But if the key to this is that the rate

894
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 7: of concussions per play has to be pretty close to

895
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 7: what it is for a normal offensive or defensive play,

896
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 7: or the whole thing, the whole effort is moot. And

897
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 7: so you know, we usually don't get a great indication

898
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 7: about date health data until the end of the year,

899
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 7: so we'll see where that is. But that would be

900
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 7: the one thing that might stop it, you know, in

901
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 7: its tracks, as if and the kickoff forever, as if

902
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 7: the by yeah, getting to the point where they are

903
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 7: now getting returns, we're right back where we were in

904
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 7: two thousand and nine or ten when this whole thing

905
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 7: kind of started, and that there'd be too many concussions

906
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,479
Speaker 7: on returns because of the violent nature of the hits.

907
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 7: And so we'll see, hopefully the case is that it's

908
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 7: the same rate and we'll just keep doing it this way.

909
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: Have I read somewhere, maybe written by you or somebody

910
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: else that part of what is I guess the impetus

911
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: of suddenly a sixty nine yard fiece, sixty yard field

912
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: goal is possible, fifty yard field goals are routine, is

913
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: that we are using different, different kicking balls that travel better.

914
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: Is that part of the conspiracy or has that not

915
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: been confirmed?

916
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 7: No, they're not using different kicking balls. It's rising of

917
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 7: baseball where every year that there's more home runs.

918
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so the football is enjoyed.

919
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 7: They've always used a different ball for kicking, and they

920
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 7: used to have really strict rules for how much you

921
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 7: could condition those balls, right, and so and it.

922
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 2: Was like a pitcher softening up the baseball.

923
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, And so it became it became like there was

924
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 7: only you know, so much time you were allowed to

925
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 7: do it, and so there it sort of limited the

926
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 7: distance that the ball would go. And then this year

927
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 7: they had kind of a it went under the radar.

928
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 7: I didn't even really catch it, but it was a

929
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 7: They basically said, this is too hard to to try to,

930
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 7: you know, condition this set of balls and then not

931
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 7: condition the other set of balls. And it's really stressful

932
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 7: for the equipment manager who have to do it in

933
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 7: this little, really short window before the game starts. And

934
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 7: so they said, okay, it's fine, you can do it,

935
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 7: spend more time. You don't have to do it in

936
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 7: this strict thing. And so the balls are more conditioned now.

937
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 7: And so what the theory Vic Fangio kind of mentioned

938
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 7: it the Eagles defensive coordinator is that because they're better conditioned,

939
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 7: you have it's going further and you might have up

940
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,959
Speaker 7: to some kickers I guess have said they think there's

941
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 7: more ten plus yards of distance that have been pumped

942
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 7: into these balls as a result of the ability to

943
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 7: condition them. For over a longer period of time, and

944
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 7: so that explains why almost sixty yard field goals aren't

945
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 7: that unusual anymore. And then Jacksonville guy cam Little hits

946
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 7: a seventy yard or the other day, and so if

947
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 7: that is in fact the case, I'll be They have

948
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 7: always been very sensitive in special teams, especially about having

949
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 7: plays that are too easy or too you know, in

950
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 7: the case the kickoff too dead. So but should they eventually,

951
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 7: should this trend continue and the percentage of field goal

952
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 7: you know, may continue to be longer. I wonder if

953
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 7: they'll reverse that rule or they'll come up with some

954
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 7: other way to make it more difficult to hit sixty

955
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 7: seven yard field goal. So you're basically you're in scoring

956
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 7: position when you cross midfield.

957
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: Literally. Yeah.

958
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: Should we be as big as an underdog from a point

959
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: spread standpoint as we are against the Baltimore Ravens? Does

960
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: that say again, that's the way these odds makers work

961
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: to get action?

962
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 2: Is that still a lack.

963
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: Of appreciation that they buy that the Vikings are really

964
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: back in any kind of meaningful way? Was Is it

965
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: just you know, homage to Lamar? I mean that's pretty

966
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: big spread?

967
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, what is it?

968
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: That now. I think it's seven, isn't it go?

969
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: Will you look up the Vikings Ravens spread is I

970
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: think six and a half or seven?

971
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's a feeling and who knows what that.

972
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 2: Might be a little high.

973
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 6: What do you got, I've got the Ravens favored by

974
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 6: three and a half.

975
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: It was a little high three and a half. Okay, well

976
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: four and a half too, So.

977
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 7: If they're playing at Baltimore it would be seven, it

978
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 7: would So I think there's a sense at least I

979
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 7: don't know about how the the you know, the bookies

980
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 7: make the actual spreads per se, but there's a feeling

981
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 7: around the league at least that like once now that

982
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 7: Lamar Jackson's back, this is much closer to the team

983
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 7: that that people expected it to be. And we talked

984
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 7: about this at the top of the top of the segment.

985
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 7: But as bad as their record is was at one

986
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 7: in five and still is at three and five, that

987
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 7: this is a really good team.

988
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: That one I'm not going to read. You got to

989
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: get Sea for to do more sid impressions. We love

990
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: it and lastly, we're a little late, but we'll make

991
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: it work.

992
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: This was from.

993
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: Just a while ago, hold on, No, that one's not

994
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: worth the time.

995
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: That was a meat sauce comment. No, that's not it.

996
00:46:58,560 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: Where did it go? Come on?

997
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: I want to read it as he is because it's

998
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: a little bit more dramatic. Preseason that changed. Oh, here

999
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: it is Wentz. Wentz had three hundred plus yard passing

1000
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: games and you all trashed him. But we get one

1001
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: forty seven from Jmack and you guys are all get aroused.

1002
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: So what do you think that's ironic? Because I'm the

1003
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: guy who was accused of being too positive about Wentz.

1004
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: Now apparently I was ripping Wentz. But I digress and.

1005
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 7: A three hundred yard The first three hundred odd game

1006
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 7: was Pittsburgh when they were trying to come back from

1007
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 7: the deficit and trying to the other one was probably

1008
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 7: Philadelphia also when they're trying to come back from a deficit,

1009
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 7: or maybe not the Philadelphia game trying to He had

1010
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 7: two of them. But the interesting the two interesting thing

1011
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 7: is like in three games, I think McCarthy has like

1012
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 7: four hundred and forty passing yards and he there was

1013
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 7: He had a thirty one yard passed Aaron Jones that

1014
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 7: initially it looked like a swing of your basic swing pass.

1015
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 2: I guess he did scrimmage. No, he didn't. I thought

1016
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: he brought it up.

1017
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 7: JJ O'Connell kind of brought up with PA yesterday and

1018
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 7: said he looked at it very closely because it would

1019
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 7: have been one hundred and seventy passing yards. And so

1020
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 7: I don't think that they're really all that concerned about it,

1021
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 7: but I did mention to somebody, and it'll be interesting,

1022
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 7: like when is he going to have his first kind

1023
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 7: of big will be the circumstances of his first big

1024
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 7: kind of statistical game, and I don't think they're eager

1025
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 7: to get it, you know, especially the way they've approached

1026
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 7: it the first three games. I don't think that they're

1027
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 7: eager to get him to three hundred yards in a

1028
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 7: game that they're winning all along. It'll probably end up

1029
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 7: being a game that they're trailing and they'll have to

1030
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 7: pass a lot. But it's pretty clear that they you know,

1031
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 7: I know you, you know, you haven't even mentioned it,

1032
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 7: but it's pretty clear that when JJ's out there, they're

1033
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 7: running the ball a lot more on first down and sometimes.

1034
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: Even sechon they had a chance to ice the game.

1035
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 7: Well, they that's where the instincts come out. And so I,

1036
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 7: you know, I did ask about the third down. People

1037
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 7: were mad at us after the game for not challenging,

1038
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 7: but I'm sure you did. I mean, we didn't challenge

1039
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 7: O'Connell last games. So I did ask him about the

1040
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 7: third down play on the goal line, which was the

1041
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 7: JJ rollout. And I think that it was like a

1042
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 7: one receiver route play with t J. Hockinson out there

1043
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 7: and he was covered and it was messy, and you know,

1044
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 7: I think maybe I don't know if it's too much

1045
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 7: to ask, but you would have wanted him to at

1046
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 7: least not go out of bounds there, correct, But it

1047
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 7: was it was not a straight you know, it wasn't

1048
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 7: a straight quarterback but either and so that's whyte to run.

1049
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 7: Like by the time he realized there was no throw too,

1050
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 7: you're not going.

1051
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 2: To position, I don't think, because it's a hard play.

1052
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, But so he that's the way O'Connell explained it,

1053
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 7: that he wanted to give him a pass run option

1054
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 7: and it just defended you.

1055
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: Know, thanks for coming in.

1056
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: Sure to see Ravens next week home games so you

1057
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about travel to your next travel

1058
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: dates a two game road trip green Bay and uh.

1059
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 7: Settle Well, yeah they have Chicago be the week here

1060
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 7: ye here, and then then they'll be green Bay and

1061
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 7: then yeah yeah and then home luck is well I

1062
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 7: mean and they just they just traded for Rishie Rice

1063
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 7: from the not Richie Rice black on his name, the

1064
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 7: New Orleans receivers. They did, yes, very fast and so

1065
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 7: yes they added another weapon into their arsenal.

1066
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: Were the only team that didn't do anything aggressive, saying.

1067
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 7: They already they they got their feet, got all their

1068
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 7: injury injured players back.

1069
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 2: All right, we gotta go.

1070
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks you for appreciate your esp N dot Com

1071
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: Mini Top five at five.

1072
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 2: Are you ready for it?

1073
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 6: NFL Trade deadline recap and we'll talk about what's coming

1074
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:37,560
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