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Speaker 2: More domestic terrorism aplot diserupted. FBI orre I said four

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Speaker 2: They caught them with IEDs that they're making complex pipe

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Speaker 2: domestic terrorism. Over the last ten years, investigations have grown

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Speaker 2: Mark Nzilaco's here. He is a director of the International

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Speaker 2: Human Rights Studies Program. There, Mark, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 2: worried about foreign terrorism, it's domestic terrorism. It's been the

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Speaker 2: What do we know about this group, the Turtle Island

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Speaker 1: Front and scenes. From what I saw about the explosives

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Speaker 1: Well, this is very similar to the domestic terrorism in

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Speaker 2: Do we see the pendulum swing in these times? Mark

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Speaker 1: True, well, this Venezuelan situation is puzzling and it's worrisome.

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Speaker 1: You know, the war on drugs, yeah, scent and al

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Speaker 1: Americans need to play attention to what's going to slow

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Speaker 1: But the plan had its transpond off and wasn't pinging.

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Speaker 1: It was involved in a colandestine operation militant when we

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Speaker 1: but clearly the the oil is meant to pring pressure

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Speaker 2: But that's the danger of the times in which you're

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Speaker 2: us thus far. That's probably what we should be looking at. Nonetheless, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: final point, go ahead, Mark.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, back to the earlier point you made

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Speaker 1: radicalize because I've got three more years of Trump. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and other people believe he's destroying the constitution, he's an incipiate,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've dehumanized and made the made the you know,

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Speaker 2: the figurehead. He's the problem and he's he's going to

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Speaker 2: destroy bus I said that he's destroying America. Uh, people

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Speaker 2: like this. Hear that in this Turtle Island Liberation Front,

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Speaker 2: and they're going to take that to an extreme. He's

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Speaker 2: doctor Mark Ansilaco University Dayton political terrorism expert Mark always

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Speaker 2: enjoyed the condo. Thanks again, happy how they same to you?

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Speaker 2: All right, take care. Let me get a time out in.

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