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Speaker 1: The Perfect Neighbor is on television, but it is truly

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Speaker 1: a true crime story for lack of any redundancy that

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Speaker 1: we have not had on this show. It's a documentary

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Speaker 1: about a woman in Florida, she is white, who shot

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Speaker 1: and killed her neighbor, a black mother of four. This

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Speaker 1: happened in twenty twenty three, and it's all pieced together

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Speaker 1: using footage from police body cameras. The story is the

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Speaker 1: topic of True Crime Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: The story is true.

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Speaker 3: Sound's true?

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Speaker 4: No, it sounds made up.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Parry and Shannon present True Crime.

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Speaker 2: And I were one dad just from the emergency the

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Speaker 2: Favorite Children. No Riff's office for any of you guys

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Speaker 2: over here. I said with this lady, no, we will

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Speaker 2: play because kicks from across the street say you shouldn't

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Speaker 2: be screaming and running around. Okay.

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Speaker 5: It starts as this neighborhood dispute. Apparently Susan Lawrence from

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Speaker 5: June of twenty twenty three. A. J Owens was the

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Speaker 5: thirty five year old mother of four who was shot

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Speaker 5: and killed by Susan back two years ago.

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Speaker 1: So what it starts documenting and again this is no

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Speaker 1: talking heads, just two years worth of recordings of police

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Speaker 1: interacting with the neighbor the shooter in question. She's sixty now,

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Speaker 1: Susan Lawrence, and her calls she called habitually nine one

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Speaker 1: one about kids playing in the neighborhood, and the neighborhood

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Speaker 1: looks like a nice possibly cul de sac, unclear, o'calla Florida.

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Speaker 1: Just kids look like they're playing out in the street.

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Speaker 1: And it's almost such a welcome sight to see kids

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Speaker 1: playing out in the street that it adds another layer

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Speaker 1: of heartbreak to the story because these kids are out there,

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Speaker 1: they're playing with each other. There's like maybe three different families,

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Speaker 1: three or four different families of kids are all playing together,

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Speaker 1: riding bikes, playing football, doing stuff that kids should be doing.

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Speaker 1: They're not you know, they're not knocking Fortnite. I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying you could knock fortnite. They're not isolated in their

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Speaker 1: hovels on their screens with their headphones on, not interacting.

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Speaker 3: They're kids being kids.

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Speaker 1: And it's there's no spin on this because it is

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Speaker 1: just bodycam footage, so it's not like she's spun as

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Speaker 1: being the ultimate Karen. That's what they end up calling her.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the families. Is that Karen over there?

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Speaker 1: Oh she yelled a us again, who yelled at you?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: The Karen over there, the quintessential name for the the

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Speaker 1: woman who is zero fun and highly involved with rules

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Speaker 1: and making sure no one else has any fun and

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Speaker 1: the hoa lady all of the you know, all the

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Speaker 1: cliches rolled into one and in her repeated calls to

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Speaker 1: the police to have them come out. And so the

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Speaker 1: police we routinely are coming out to this neighborhood and

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Speaker 1: she's like, it's the kids again, and they're screaming and

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Speaker 1: they're hollering, and she starts saying things that the kids

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Speaker 1: are saying. The kids said they were gonna beat my ass,

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Speaker 1: or the kids said this or that, and the kids

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Speaker 3: Has to be said, and just the facts of the case.

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Speaker 1: But when the cops go out to talk to these

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Speaker 1: kids and the kids are talking amongst themselves and stuff.

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Speaker 1: The kids don't use language like this, the kids, and

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Speaker 1: they're not on their best behavior in front of the

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Speaker 1: cops either. You can tell that they're uh, they're kids.

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Speaker 1: They're having a good time. They're not backtalking the cops.

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Speaker 1: But they're also not Eddie haskelling. Their interaction with the cops,

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Speaker 1: you can kind of see who these kids are when

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Speaker 1: the cops are not around by the bodycam footage, and

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Speaker 1: they don't seem to be the kids that would be

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Speaker 5: The story of how they came to all of this

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Speaker 5: footage I thought was pretty interesting as well. And how

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Speaker 5: they came to even deciding that they were going to

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Speaker 5: turn this into a documentary was pretty interesting. It is

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Speaker 5: up for an oscar, but I mean not up for

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Speaker 5: an oscar, but it is. It does qualify for an

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Speaker 5: oscar because they did release it in theaters as well.

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Speaker 1: Pretty early on the mom that was killed the GK,

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Speaker 1: she goes by aj She says, you know, and this

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Speaker 1: is probably maybe ten minutes into the documentary and it's

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Speaker 1: available on Netflix, by the way, it started last week,

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Speaker 1: but it was out last week. But she says, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm never out here, I'm never outside. When the cops respond,

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Speaker 3: They liked the guy that lived there before this.

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Speaker 1: He'd let them play football in this empty grass area

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Speaker 1: next to the place where she's living. And it wasn't

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Speaker 1: a thing, and I don't usually she doesn't want anything

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Speaker 1: She doesn't want to deal with this woman across the street,

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Speaker 1: and she is the one who ends up being shot

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Speaker 1: and killed in this altercation when the woman the neighbor,

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Speaker 1: it's just it is it's madness about grouchy, grumpy old

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Speaker 1: it just it escalates. And the thing with this woman

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Speaker 1: is she looks like your average just white woman in Florida,

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Speaker 1: and that's what she wants to do, and she's annoyed

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Speaker 1: by the kids. But you can see her behavior escalate,

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Speaker 1: you can see the grow inside her, and you can

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Speaker 1: see how she starts trying to manipulate the cops, and

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Speaker 1: it's just it's a it's an exercise in sociology really.

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Speaker 5: On True Crime Tuesday, we're talking about the Perfect Neighbor,

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Speaker 5: which is the story of a neighborhood murder if you

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Speaker 5: want to call it that. Susan Lawrence accused of shooting

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Speaker 5: and killing aj Owens. Susan Lawrence was this fifty eight

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Speaker 5: year old woman in Ocalla, Florida. Aj Owens was the

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Speaker 5: thirty five year old mother of four when she was

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Speaker 5: shot and killed back in June of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Perfect Neighbor was definitely a good watch, very sad. I

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Speaker 2: was choking up there towards the end and getting pretty tearful,

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Speaker 2: but definitely recommend that to everyone to check.

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Speaker 4: Out Higerian Shannon. It's Tina down in oc I watched

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Speaker 4: The Perfect Neighbor last night and it was heart wrenching

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Speaker 4: with those kids and what they went through when the

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Speaker 4: mom was killed and how they were told by the act. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but it was a great, great documentary. I think everybody

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Speaker 4: should take a look and watch it. Have a good one.

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Speaker 3: Plus, that's the thing, Yeah, that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like Adolescence where it's a hard watch,

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Speaker 1: but you should watch it.

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Speaker 3: Remember that show. Yeah, and I didn't want to watch it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't either, but like you should, just to know

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Speaker 1: how things can evolve or devolve and they're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: That's the part that sneaks up on you is it's

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Speaker 1: kind of suspenseful and you're thinking, well, how did things

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Speaker 3: How was there a breaking point?

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Speaker 1: And you're just kind of, you know, going through all

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Speaker 1: the footage in your head is it's.

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Speaker 3: Being shown to you.

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Speaker 1: And then when when the shooting happens and it's the

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Speaker 1: kids and it's the kid's reaction, it just gut punches,

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Speaker 1: just gut punches it it you get shocking, like sneakily

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Speaker 1: emotional of over this or are you should it should

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Speaker 1: be very hard to take at some point, but you know,

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Speaker 1: the police are like, what were you thinking? You know

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Speaker 1: somebody brought it up during the funeral. It's like, how

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Speaker 1: do you fire through a locked door? Your door's locked?

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Speaker 1: How do you say your fear for your life and

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Speaker 1: you're armed and you're going to fire through a lot?

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Speaker 1: You don't know what's on the other side of that door.

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Speaker 1: You don't know if it was a kid on the

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Speaker 5: The person who made the film, or at least the

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Speaker 5: head of it, was geta Gendbier. I think it's how

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Speaker 5: I say her name specifically, but said that she got

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Speaker 5: involved the knight that aj Owens was killed immediately jumped

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Speaker 5: into action to try to help the family, and they

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Speaker 5: in this case. Benjamin Crump, a civil rights attorney who's

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Speaker 5: made his name very prevalent in the last several years,

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Speaker 5: had an associated guy named Anthony Thomas who sued the

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Speaker 5: police department through the Freedom of Information Act to get

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Speaker 5: all of this body can footage. And they weren't necessarily

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Speaker 5: looking at it in order to make a movie. They

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Speaker 5: were doing it to help Aja's family find stuff that

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Speaker 5: the news coverage that was coming up. And when they

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Speaker 5: police body camera footage, they had detective interviews, they had

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Speaker 5: footage from doorbell cameras, they had cell phone footage that

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Speaker 5: all of it can there. They could tell everything and

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Speaker 5: not just the aftermath of the shooting and obviously this

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Speaker 5: family that's devastated that they lost their mom, but the

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Speaker 5: showing the community and the way that it existed before

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Speaker 5: this incident. Now. She also says in an interview that

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Speaker 5: or the very least the standiard ground laws that exist,

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Speaker 5: claiming that o'calla, Florida was sort.

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Speaker 3: Of the the.

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Speaker 5: Birthplace of the standard ground loss.

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Speaker 3: Did you feel like.

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Speaker 5: They that they were able to do that, I mean

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Speaker 5: that they were able to bring that up as a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but it's all the evidence, the body

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Speaker 1: of evidence that she was kind of taken the fight

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Speaker 3: You know, she was asking for more fight, she was well.

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Speaker 5: And then claiming that she felt threatened.

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Speaker 3: She was clearly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things that was to take

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Speaker 1: away from the filmmaker is why didn't they bring a

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Speaker 1: social worker? Clearly this woman was not the picture of

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Speaker 1: mental health. Clearly this had the the propensity to explode

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Speaker 1: the way that it did. I didn't know that the

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Speaker 1: or weapons that she had in her home. I don't

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Speaker 1: that watching it, but there was an argument that they

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Speaker 1: knew that she was armed, and she was crazy, and

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Speaker 1: she had a problem with a bunch of just kids playing,

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Speaker 1: and that was enough for them to maybe bring in

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Speaker 1: doors or inside her head before it got to this