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Speaker 2: We have asthma, even though camp Scattaboo does not think

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Speaker 2: it's real. I don't know if you saw that story

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Speaker 2: No Giants meathead running back. Camp Skataboo on a podcast

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Speaker 2: said he thought CT was fake and asthma, well.

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Speaker 2: asthma's fake. Just breathe, that's what he said, Just bri.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Giants have to be going, all right,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna need to draft another running back. This idiot

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Speaker 2: is going to run into a brick wall. He literally

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Speaker 2: runs in the brick walls he does. He knocks his

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Speaker 2: This dude is not going to last very long. He

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Speaker 4: I'm actually surprised he does interviews that he speaks. I

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Speaker 4: just always expect him to just always have, you know,

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Speaker 5: Brandy Bellman and the DV Morning Show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hilarious. You think CT is a real thing. No,

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Speaker 2: it's an excuse. I mean, what are you talking about,

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Speaker 5: Like, okay, run through mic? Yeah exactly. Do you think

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Speaker 3: No? I think asthma is an excuse too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Is that a hot take?

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Speaker 3: No, that's a good yes, asthmas face.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything worse than when you're in fourth grade

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Speaker 2: and someone's huffing and puffing you're just soft?

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Speaker 5: Just literally bet there.

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Speaker 2: I think the guy, the interviewer of that podcast is

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Speaker 2: his actual thoughts. He's like, yeah, just breathe air. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I told you how much I love Planet Earth. He's

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Speaker 4: like the big horn sheep that like one. They just

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Speaker 5: It is the DV Morning Show.

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Speaker 2: And thanks the end to our buddy Bert Kreischer and

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Speaker 2: Ian Bag for stopping by on Friday. We had a

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Speaker 2: the kind words at his show. To PPG Paints Arena

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Speaker 2: on Friday night, where he just about sold out the arena,

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Speaker 2: which is insane because he was just here nine months

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Speaker 4: But I think you spoke to as well the way

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Speaker 4: it's such a challenge for a comedian to be in

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Speaker 3: But Bert has that air about him.

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Speaker 6: I know he walks in the room even whenever we

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Speaker 4: Puts his nipples on the glass to make sure that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was like a little bit of Burt Love.

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Speaker 2: There was an actual like meeting going on going and

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Speaker 6: Yeah, eighty four lumber is no longer a spon.

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no no, They're they're all on board

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Speaker 2: If you missed it, you can go listen to the

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app or at dve dot com, but really anywhere

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Speaker 3: I's I always wanted to be right in someone's pocket.

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Speaker 5: Well now you are, Abby has. How's your weekend? Abby?

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Speaker 5: Did you have a beautiful weekend? Because it was beautiful?

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Speaker 5: Yet I hope you got outside. That's it.

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Speaker 3: I did you know? Saturday was was nice. Got to

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Speaker 5: Stunt pig in Squirrel Hill.

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Speaker 5: This is the best pork sandwich I ever have in

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Speaker 5: They do all kinds of badass barbecue.

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Speaker 2: They have like six sandwiches usually at any given time,

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Speaker 4: only open on the weekend. No, you line up like

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Speaker 3: The name too, stunt pig, it's.

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Speaker 2: So good, it's so good. Highest recommendation. And then don't

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Speaker 3: You know, thirty. I'm making it up now.

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Speaker 3: You do that and not with a partner.

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Speaker 2: There were a million people all over the place this weekend.

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Speaker 2: The roads were packed. Everybody was out enjoying the beautiful weather.

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Speaker 5: Nothing to do with that actually.

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Speaker 3: Makes you stronger.

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Speaker 5: I think so too.

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Speaker 2: And I got to see Ander Costello do his Neil

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Speaker 1: So it is time for three takes that resonate. Take

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Speaker 1: The first four days of the NCAA tournament confirmed nil

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Speaker 2: Those are coachable teams. I think there's a way to

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Speaker 2: navigate what they're doing to have the best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: And that is the point of the study. Just they

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Speaker 1: gotta they gotta have. They went from having two rigid

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Speaker 1: a system with no flexibility to now it's just there's

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Speaker 1: no rules. There's got to be something in the middle, right,

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Speaker 1: and even with.

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Speaker 3: No rules, it's a pretty good product.

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Speaker 1: Well, even yesterday afternoon, if I was out in my

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Speaker 1: driveway at three in the afternoon shooting hoops, that was

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Speaker 1: a lot different than if I would have been out

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Speaker 1: there shooting hoops at seven o'clock. Because the storm clouds gathered,

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Speaker 1: I gotcha and fury was unleashed.

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Speaker 5: I see what you're saying. Pretty soon, it's going to

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Speaker 5: be what we fear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Plus I wanted to get that. We'll see said

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Speaker 1: the zen Master thing in there.

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Speaker 2: Because never a bad reference to pull out. I like

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Speaker 2: that line, penns. I didn't like the way they played.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they want to shootout Saturday, hallelujah, Right, they finally

465
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Speaker 1: want to shoot out. That's not the kind of hockey

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Speaker 1: that will get them anywhere in the playoffs, So stop

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Speaker 1: playing it now. On the way to the playoffs. They

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Speaker 1: were a very sound team for the vast majority of

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Speaker 1: this season. Now they're playing pickup hockey again. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: they can't do it. They're not good enough. To do that,

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Speaker 1: they had to get two points on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: So at least they managed to do that because with

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Speaker 2: Carolina Colorado back to back, it wasn't going to get

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Speaker 2: any easier for them. As you pointed out, they really

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Speaker 2: got to get it together.

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Speaker 5: Hopefully. Yesterday was a wake up call.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully.

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Speaker 5: I mean Carlson offensively has been crazy.

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Speaker 1: It starts with keeping it out of your net. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know they're starting to give up shorthanded goals again,

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Speaker 1: which was a problem for you know how many seasons

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Speaker 1: going back many.

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Speaker 2: It'd be great if one of these days they could

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Speaker 2: win a goal tender interference challenge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is really bizarre.

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Speaker 5: Oh for eighth for nine this year or something.

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Speaker 1: We'd like to have an argument on this one.

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Speaker 5: He did. No, I mean they handed out the rules

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Speaker 5: that the press corp.

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Speaker 1: That was ridiculousous.

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Speaker 2: You thought that was cheap by the organizations. Because if

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Speaker 2: you want to cry about it, cry about it. Don't

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Speaker 2: hand out stuff and say please cry about this for us,

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Speaker 2: I'd have taken it, wadded it up and thrown it

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Speaker 2: back at whoever handed it to you. Serious, really, hey,

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Speaker 2: right about this?

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Speaker 3: Look?

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Speaker 2: I mean I can see it as just being somebody

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Speaker 2: wanting to point it out, like, Hey, in case you

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Speaker 2: were wondering the coach could do that, I think he did.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: Do it again, do it till it doesn't need to

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Speaker 1: be done, not just I think leg wide, I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody knows what's going to happen on those calls,

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Speaker 1: which is why I wouldn't have challenged it, particularly when

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Speaker 1: you risk a penalty after you just gave up a goal.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it was.

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Speaker 1: So early in the game.

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Speaker 5: It has crushed them this year.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy Pens back at it tomorrow night and the Bucos,

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Speaker 2: by the way, making some moves here in anticipation of

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Speaker 2: the season opener.

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Speaker 5: Is it Thursday?

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Speaker 1: My god, Paul Skins against. The match will be followed

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Speaker 1: by Mitch Keller Saturday and Carmen Macdjinski Sunday, Braxton Ashcraft

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Speaker 1: and Bubba Chandler. According to Don Kelly on Sports Net

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh round out the rotation. I get to Connor Griffin

518
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Speaker 1: is hitting a buck seventy one, But who plays shortstop

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Speaker 1: better than him in the field, and who has more

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Speaker 1: better power? Who has a chance to hit it out

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Speaker 1: of the yard? And if this guy's who you think

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Speaker 1: he is will he not continue to get better? If

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Speaker 1: it's about development, I'm all with Benzi man, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: develop more facing major league pitching than Triple A pitching.

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Speaker 5: But if it's only is it fifteen days.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's I think it's longer than that.

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Speaker 2: I think that that's the big I think it's in

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Speaker 2: the May variable.

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Speaker 1: It is in the May to stop the twenty days.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Gorman will know this exactly.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk to Kevin Gorman to the trip about that,

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Speaker 2: because I do think that it's not wise to cut

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Speaker 2: off your nose to spite your face kind of thing. However,

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Speaker 2: they've got a chance to make some hey, because the

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Speaker 2: sun is shining for them this season, rare rays of

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Speaker 2: sunshine and to you know, put shades on during that

537
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Speaker 2: doesn't seem to make sense.

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Speaker 5: Again, that's not the right Now, what are your options?

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Speaker 1: Right? You make these decisions based on options. It sound

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Speaker 1: like they're taking out Aussie Smith to put the kid.

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Speaker 5: In Abby all have your news coming up at the

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Speaker 5: top of the hour.

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Speaker 4: This is I'm still ruining the world tour justin Timberlakes,

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Speaker 4: do you I r rest?

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Speaker 3: Footage was released after all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yinser's in the news for you, coming up too

547
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Speaker 2: and talking buckos with Kevin Gorman.

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Speaker 5: When we come back on DVE.

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Speaker 1: I'm driving my semi cross Radio Ohio, heading back to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 5: No matter how you listen.

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Speaker 7: From Connecticut TV on the app, We're streaming and all

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Speaker 7: your smart device is one oh two point five DV.

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Speaker 3: Imagine a world where you can leave.

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Speaker 8: It's the DV Morning Show and Randy Bollen Mike pursuita

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Speaker 8: Abby Krisner welcoming our friend Kevin Gorman Buco B writer

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Speaker 8: from The Tribune Review, Gormy, what's up man?

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Speaker 5: How you doing? I'm doing great, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 5: Where are you at right now? Where are you's at?

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Speaker 9: Uh? I'm back in Pittsburgh. Okay, Yeah I was. I

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Speaker 9: was in Bradenton for about a month and then had

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Speaker 9: the pleasure of driving home, which was wonderful.

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Speaker 2: No way, my choice or is it just a company

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Speaker 2: policy these days?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 9: No, I I drove my car just to be able

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Speaker 9: to stay a little longer, you know, a little more

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Speaker 9: affordable to drive my own than the rent one.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, it was by choice.

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Speaker 9: It was by choice, and it wasn't as bad as

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Speaker 9: it seemed I ended up getting just some nice days

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Speaker 9: to drive.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, so it was.

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Speaker 9: It was a cool experience though, to be down there for,

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Speaker 9: you know, for a month and get to see everything

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Speaker 9: up close with all the developments going on this season.

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Speaker 2: Well there's quite a few developments going on. And let's

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Speaker 2: first talk about what's going on with Connor Griffin. Is

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Speaker 2: there an actual baseball argument for sending him down?

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Speaker 9: I mean, sure, you know, I've made the argument that

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Speaker 9: Connor Griffin is the Pirates best shortstop and that I

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Speaker 9: would have rolled with him and lived with his learning curve.

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Speaker 9: I mean that's my personal preference, just having watched him

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Speaker 9: and talked to him, and I think he was ready.

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Speaker 5: In a lot of ways.

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Speaker 9: But if you look at it just from a baseball

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Speaker 9: standpoint that you know, I talked to a talent evaluator

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Speaker 9: who thought he was a little bit overmatched against him

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Speaker 9: starting pitching, and if you look at the numbers, you know,

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Speaker 9: a one seventy one batting average and thirteen strikeouts against

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Speaker 9: two walks. That that the pitching, you know, at times

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Speaker 9: when he made contact them. I mean I think he

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Speaker 9: had four home runs and seven seven batted balls that

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Speaker 9: were all over one hundred miles an hour exit velocity,

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Speaker 9: and he's making hard contact, barreling the ball. He's got

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Speaker 9: power that's uncommon. I mean, he's up there with O'Neil

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Speaker 9: Cruz in terms of the power. But he mentioned on

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Speaker 9: Friday night in the spring breakout, he did an inning

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Speaker 9: where he was wearing a mic while playing short stuff

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Speaker 9: and actually made it out while playing short stuff.

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Speaker 5: Well micd up.

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Speaker 9: He said that this is the best pitching he's seen

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Speaker 9: and that he's trying to figure out how to continue

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Speaker 9: to be athletic with a controlled approach.

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Speaker 5: And he said that's my goal.

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Speaker 9: And there he said, you know, because if you're not

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Speaker 9: out there doing that, they're going to expose you.

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Speaker 1: He admitted that much, and.

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Speaker 9: John Wayner asked him, you know, what's what's the difference

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Speaker 9: that you're seeing from the minor league pitching that you

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Speaker 9: dominated last year to the major league pitching you're seeing

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Speaker 9: in great brute league games, And he said, the stuff

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Speaker 9: is the same. He said he's seen all the pitches.

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Speaker 9: He sayss how they're using it against me. They're throwing

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Speaker 9: pitches when I don't expect it. He said, I might

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Speaker 9: be looking for a heater on a two zer account

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Speaker 9: and they're throwing, they're trying to spin me. So there's

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Speaker 9: a little bit of guessing game going on. You know

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Speaker 9: that this is a guy who is still trying to

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Speaker 9: figure some things out. The pitching in Triple A is

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Speaker 9: going to be at its best in April because you've

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Speaker 9: got guys who didn't make the major leagues that are

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Speaker 9: right on the cusp. You've got top one hundred prospects

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Speaker 9: that are on their way up, and you've got the

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Speaker 9: you know, so called Quad A pitchers who were very

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Speaker 9: good at the Triple A level and just not quite

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Speaker 9: either talented enough or ready for the major league level.

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Speaker 9: And so you know he's going to face good pitching

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Speaker 9: and he's going to.

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Speaker 5: Get every day playing time.

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Speaker 9: I just felt like this was a kid from talking

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Speaker 9: to his teammates, from talking to people around baseball, that

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Speaker 9: everybody felt like, here's a superstar of the making and

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Speaker 9: he's just kind of going through the learning curve where

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Speaker 9: he's going to figure things out. The thing Don Kelly

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Speaker 9: talked about a lot this spring was how Conor Griffin

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Speaker 9: asked all the right questions and was able to make

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Speaker 9: adjustments from one back to the next and so I

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Speaker 9: think he'll pick things up quickly. It'll be interesting to

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Speaker 9: see how long the Pirates keep him down because there

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Speaker 9: is incentive for them to have him up by April

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Speaker 9: ninth with this prospect promotion incentive where they would be

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Speaker 9: rewarded for taking a top one hundred prospect and having

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Speaker 9: him on the roster early in the season. They would

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Speaker 9: get a first round draft pick as compensation. So yeah,

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Speaker 9: there's also the possibility that if he won nationally Rookie

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Speaker 9: of the Year and you didn't do that, that you

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Speaker 9: could lose a year. You know, he could gain a

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Speaker 9: year of service time and the Pirates could lose a

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Speaker 9: year of control like they did with Paul Schemes.

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Speaker 1: What is the date that? Okay, as long as they

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Speaker 1: keep him down until X, then the clock doesn't start

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Speaker 1: for free agency.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Super two is not a date as much as it

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Speaker 9: is a kind of a moving target. It's based on

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Speaker 9: percentages of players that come up. So it's it's one

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Speaker 9: of those things where they basically just have to gauge

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Speaker 9: who's come up and how many you know, how many

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Speaker 9: percentage of players have come up, and it is a

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Speaker 9: and I guess not a specific thing but so that's

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Speaker 9: why teams kind of wait a little longer, and that's

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Speaker 9: why this PPI, the Promotion Prospect Promotion Incentive, is in

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Speaker 9: place to prevent teams from doing that. You know that

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Speaker 9: that came about because of Chris Bryant being held back.

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Speaker 9: You know that that that the Collective Bargain Agreement has

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Speaker 9: this in there. So you know, I think it's beneficial

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Speaker 9: to the Pirates to have him up sooner rather than later,

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Speaker 9: because you don't want to wait until May eighth and

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00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 9: be twelve and twenty six again, you know that's what

671
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 9: That's what got Derek Shelton fired. I think you want

672
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,239
Speaker 9: to have your best position, your your best players at

673
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 9: the best at the positions. And in this case, you know,

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Speaker 9: Jared Triolo is more than serviceable. He's a Gold Glove winner.

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00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 9: He can play shortstop, but he exposedes third base. And

676
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 9: the Pirates are better with Griffin at short and Triolo

677
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 9: at third than they are with Triolo at short in

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Speaker 9: either Nick York or Nick Gonzalez at third.

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00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, how much third is Gonzalez played in spring training.

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Speaker 9: A little bit, but you know he played second when

681
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 9: he was playing for Team Mexico in the WBC, so

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Speaker 9: not as much as maybe the pirates would have liked

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Speaker 9: if that was the plan. If the plan was and

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Speaker 9: played third, that's what I don't think he would have

685
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Speaker 9: played more third base unless you know n less shortstop,

686
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Speaker 9: you know. I think spring training may have exposed that

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Speaker 9: their lack of comfortability with him at short He doesn't

688
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 9: have a ton of time at third in the majors.

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Speaker 9: I think it's two games, one start. Sometimes it's spring

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00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 9: training at third, but that is not a natural position

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Speaker 9: for him. But I think it's also a position where

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00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 9: it requires you to cover a little less ground. It

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00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 9: requires arm strength, which is a concern, but the range,

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00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 9: the ranges a little less limited, a little more limited.

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Speaker 1: Just from an intangible standpoint, this may be a hard

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00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: question to answer, but I'm thinking the fans are going

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00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: to give Griffin a lot of rope if he's up here,

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00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: and they'll be excited to go see him play. How

699
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: do you think it would be covered if he struggled initially?

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Speaker 1: Do you think everybody, oh, this is a mistake, get

701
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Speaker 1: him the hell out of here, or do you think

702
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: the media would be patient with him? And aren't they

703
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: missing a golden opportunity to continue to build, to build

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Speaker 1: on positive vibes and optimism. For the first time in

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Speaker 1: my recent memory.

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Speaker 5: Well, look, can I just interject one thing.

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Speaker 2: Look, you know, in their defense, you know, they did

708
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Speaker 2: this with Henry Davis and send him.

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Speaker 5: Down so you can get used to it. Look at

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Speaker 5: how good it did really work out for him, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I mean if you listen to the fans, they would

713
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 9: everything would be knee jerk reactions. That's that's a difficult

714
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 9: thing for ben Cherrington is that is that he's going

715
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Speaker 9: to be second guests in every move that he makes,

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Speaker 9: and he has to make these moves with you know,

717
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Speaker 9: some confidence and some precision and not worry about the

718
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 9: delicate part of it. I remember Pedro Alvarez having to

719
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 9: be sent down, and he was the number two overall

720
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 9: pick and a guy with immense power, and you know

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Speaker 9: there were people that worried, Oh they rushed him up

722
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 9: there and now they have to send him back down

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Speaker 9: and fix him, and it seemed like he never got right.

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Speaker 9: So I think with in ben Cherrington's case, they've made

725
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 9: it very clear how important Connor Griffin is to the

726
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 9: future of the Pittsburgh Pirates and how important his development

727
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Speaker 9: is to make sure that they maximize his potential, because

728
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Speaker 9: we're talking about a five tole talent with the highest

729
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 9: of high feelings. You know, I think Cathedrals underselling him.

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Speaker 9: You know, he's a guy who can be an absolute superstar,

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Speaker 9: and everybody that's come through camp, all the national media

732
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 9: proclaimed him that upon first view. When you watch him

733
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Speaker 9: every day, you do see the things that he's still where,

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Speaker 9: he's still learning. I mean, he is nineteen years old,

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Speaker 9: and I think the cool thing would have been had

736
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Speaker 9: he made the opening day lineup, he would have been

737
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 9: the first number one prospect who is nineteen years old

738
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Speaker 9: to do so since Ken Griffey Jr. And that would

739
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 9: have been pretty cool company. And I talked with Connor

740
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 9: about this in particular. You know, at Lee Comb Park,

741
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 9: I had a twenty five minute interview with him, which

742
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 9: the Q and A from that. The entirety of the

743
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 9: interview is up on triblaut dot com. But he, you know,

744
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 9: he marveled at that part of it, and he's still

745
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 9: very much a guy who I said something the other

746
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Speaker 9: day about, you know, he met Corey Dickerson when he

747
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 9: was a teenager, and I'm like, wait, he still is

748
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 9: a teenager, but he's very much a guy who who's like, Hey,

749
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Speaker 9: I've been playing this game since i was five years old,

750
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 9: and I've been dreaming about this moment. And I think

751
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 9: that's the part of it that is fascinating, is we

752
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 9: got a guy here who is mature and talented beyond

753
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 9: his years, but still has that childlike you know are

754
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 9: about him. That he's very much, you know, excitable about

755
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 9: everything and this is an old hat to him. This

756
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 9: is all new and wide eyed, and he's embracing all

757
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 9: of it. I think whenever he gets here, fans are

758
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 9: going to be in for a treat, all right.

759
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: Why they send password Garcia down? He led the team

760
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: in hitting in spring training and they send him to Indy.

761
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, simply because he They want him to play every day.

762
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 9: And if you're the fourth outfielder or the fifth outfielder

763
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 9: for the Pirates, you're not going to play every day.

764
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Speaker 9: And so that's that's another one where you know, I

765
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 9: think if Griffin was up, he would be the starting shortstop.

766
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Speaker 9: I think if Garcia was up, he'd still be the

767
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Speaker 9: fourth outfielder. He's not supplanning, you know, Reynolds Cruz or o'hearne. Now,

768
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 9: perhaps if if they would have put o'hearnet first base

769
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 9: and played him there all spring, with which he didn't

770
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 9: play there very much at all, maybe they maybe Garcia

771
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 9: has a stronger case. But I do think it's interesting

772
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 9: and we'll see what happens with Hunter Barco today. You know,

773
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 9: he's one of three guys up for the basically the

774
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Speaker 9: final roster spot. But they're going to have gar you know,

775
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Speaker 9: Griff Garcia, Barco, three three guys start the season possibly

776
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 9: with whatever they do with Barco, uh three top one

777
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 9: hundred prospects during the season in Triple A and at

778
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 9: already as something happens where they need to bring a

779
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 9: guy up. You know some of these guys that they're

780
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 9: they're keeping on the team. You know Billy Cook that

781
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 9: raised an eyebrow for me. He's a guy that I was,

782
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 9: you know, curious if maybe he'd be a forty man

783
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 9: roster moved to create space for somebody, and here he

784
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 9: makes the opening day roster. But it's also you know,

785
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Speaker 9: Billy Cook is in his late twenties and is a

786
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Speaker 9: guy who has played Triple A baseball. It's not going

787
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 9: to do anything to improve him, but he and he's

788
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 9: he proved, you know, this spring that he was ready

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Speaker 9: to handle whatever role comes his way. I don't know

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Speaker 9: if Garcia is ready to be a guy who you know,

791
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 9: plays once or twice a week and gives you professional

792
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 9: bats and it doesn't disrupt the rhythm of his you know,

793
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 9: of his swing and his approach. But he's certainly a

794
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 9: guy that was very impressive and I'm looking forward to

795
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Speaker 9: seeing more of him as well.

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Speaker 1: How many way.

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Speaker 9: I'm sitting around eighty three eighty four, I think this

798
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 9: is a team that needs to learn how to win.

799
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Speaker 9: And I think that's where the veterans come in. That

800
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 9: they signed that Brandon Law has played in the World Series,

801
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 9: and Ryan O'Hearn's played on a one hundred win Baltimore

802
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 9: Royals team. That Marcella Zuna has playoff experience, you know that,

803
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Speaker 9: And I think that helps when you get into a

804
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 9: little bit of a losing streak, that it doesn't turn

805
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 9: into an eight, nine or ten game losing streak like

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00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 9: it did under Derek Shelton. That I feel like this

807
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 9: Pirates team has the desire to win, you know, and

808
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 9: has the talent to win. But I also think that

809
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 9: they need to figure out how to withstand the slumps

810
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 9: and do a better job of that. That's something that

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Speaker 9: I'm going to have a story later this week about

812
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Speaker 9: Paul Skin's talking about winning and about leadership, and you know,

813
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 9: he's a believer that winners win, and he won a

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00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 9: national championship at LSU, and I think that experience is

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Speaker 9: something he believes can translate to the major leagues, and

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Speaker 9: so I expect him and I think the Pirates need

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00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 9: him to be a catalyst in that regard.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Gorman from the Trip Kevin, thanks as always, man,

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Speaker 2: appreciate your time this week.

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