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See, I forgot 15 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 3: that he was such a big damn deal. 16 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 4: He's got his own sponsor, No Titos, right, that's not 17 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 4: a bad sponsor. 18 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 5: No, I'll tell you that. 19 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, especially on a Friday night in five model. 20 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 5: Yeah. 21 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 6: Well, I'm saying I'm not. I'm not running the show today, Hugh. 22 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 6: I'm wondering where's the Titos for me I could have 23 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 6: some today. 24 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 4: Well, Hugh, it has been a hell of a week, 25 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 4: there's no question about it. A lot as happens, as 26 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 4: we had you on on Monday, just a fabulous parade, 27 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 4: almost a million people. I mean, I saw that there 28 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 4: was a report of no arrests. I did see a 29 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 4: couple of pictures of some minor ones. But I think 30 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 4: I think the city of Seattle should be proud of 31 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 4: what we have seen, not only in the football team 32 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 4: just but from the twelves as well over the last 33 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 4: few days. 34 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's really inconceivable that you wouldn't have 35 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 5: some type of incident, right, But you know, I think 36 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 5: Seattle and it's our hometown, and I've lived in all 37 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 5: four corners of the country, so I try and be 38 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 5: objective about it. But I think that part of what 39 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 5: makes it special is is you're on the West Coast 40 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 5: kind of away from everything. So I think there's a 41 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 5: little bit of a West Coast I don't say inferiority, 42 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 5: but you know, there's definitely a bias towards the East. 43 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 5: So we all recognize that all the West Coast and 44 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 5: then and then uh and then California kind of gets 45 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 5: the lion's share of the attention when people do think 46 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 5: about the West Coast. So we're tucked up in the 47 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 5: left corner and and uh, and you know kind of 48 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 5: were the last people that that people talk about. And 49 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 5: so I think that that just kind of is in 50 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 5: bred in a little bit of our psyche. You know 51 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 5: that that's just my thought. Feel free to disagree. But 52 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 5: but there's got to be a reason why Seattle fans 53 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 5: are so good. I mean, you watch the Mariner on 54 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 5: playoff game and the entire stands are standing and go 55 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 5: and treating like a football game. Then you watch the 56 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 5: Dodgers in the World Series and it looks like a 57 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 5: Mariner game in spring training. You know, there's just something 58 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 5: about Seattle fans and and uh, you know Huskies. You 59 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 5: know there's been you know, Jason Seahorn, I remember remember 60 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 5: the legendary I want to say legendary, but the All 61 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 5: Pro corner for the Giants. He was on a post 62 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 5: he was on an NFL show kind of a roundtable 63 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 5: of sorts and they're saying, what's the what's the lot 64 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 5: of stadium you've ever been in? And all these guys 65 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 5: were going around because it's an NFL show, all the 66 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 5: guys were answering NFL stadiums. Well, I finally got to 67 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 5: Jason he Seahorn, and he said, he said, Oh, I 68 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 5: don't know about you guys. The lot of stadium. I've 69 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 5: ever been his Husky Stadium, and you know, and and 70 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 5: in Seattle, and you know, I think there's just something 71 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 5: about our makeup. Maybe it's that, maybe it's something else. 72 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 5: I think it's a fun topic. But Seattle fans showed 73 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 5: up and showed out like they always do. 74 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 6: Along the same lines here of how you know the 75 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 6: rest of the nation looks at us. I'm wondering Sam 76 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 6: Donald because Dick and I spent some time talking about 77 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 6: how people look at and talk about Sam Donald, and 78 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 6: it's an element where, yeah, you can look at the 79 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 6: regular season, but the dude didn't turn over the ball 80 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 6: in the playoffs. He won the championship. I'm wondering how 81 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 6: the rest of the country is going to view Sam 82 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 6: Donald going into twenty twenty six. 83 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 5: Well, I think at this point it for some people, 84 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 5: it's kind of reached the point of absurdity, Like come 85 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 5: on now, I mean, like new information in life, you know, 86 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 5: new information has always got a trump Your ego. And 87 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 5: I'm not saying egos are always involved, but but you know, 88 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 5: maybe it's ignorance. Maybe, you know, I mean, there's this 89 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 5: cognitive dissonance. It's hard psychologically to let go of your 90 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 5: first impressions. And you know, I think a few months back, 91 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 5: their reasonable minds could differ in those who said, look, 92 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 5: I don't trust Sam Darnold to win the big game. 93 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 5: You know, you know, I rolled my eyes and I said, seriously, 94 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 5: went fourteen and three last year with the Vikings. You 95 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 5: don't think that one of like all of those fourteen 96 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 5: wins were not big games. As Don James told the 97 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 5: Seattle Times in nineteen ninety nine, the big game is 98 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 5: always the game you lose. They never want to give 99 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 5: you credit for the game you win. You know, the 100 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 5: game against Seattle, the game against Green Bay at the 101 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 5: very end of December, when he gets hoisted on his 102 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 5: teammates soldiers, Like all you had to do was just 103 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 5: just you know, just look just for a minute, and 104 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 5: you would know that that was absurd. What he did 105 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 5: at sc Hell. Some of his biggest games, including a 106 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 5: rose ball when he put fifty two points up against 107 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 5: Penn State and and five touchdowns and like four and 108 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 5: fifty yards. Like if you actually looked at his career 109 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 5: and said, I'm looking for signs like I'm going to 110 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 5: start at a neutral does this guy show signs of 111 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 5: a clutch gene or does he show signs of a 112 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 5: guy that that somehow can't answer the bell in a 113 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 5: big game. And you know, if you're just if you 114 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 5: think one or two games out of an entire life 115 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 5: of playing football is going to shut you off on 116 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 5: Sam Darnold, then you're just kind of you're just predisposed, 117 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 5: you know, you're wanting to run that narrative. And I 118 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 5: think that that's what transpired. And I would just say, 119 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,559 Speaker 5: you know, here's a guy that that what he did 120 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 5: in the fourth quarter and overtime against the Rams at 121 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 5: the game, all that Thursday night game. I will not 122 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 5: soon forget that because it's so difficult to dig deep. 123 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 5: He had thrown his second interception and they were turned, 124 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 5: you know, they're down on the goal line and going in, 125 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 5: and they fooled him on a blitz, the exact same 126 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 5: blitz that Aaron Rodgers was fooled against Mike McDonald when 127 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 5: Leonard Williams took a ninety two yards against the Jets, 128 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 5: like it happens. But at that point he had had 129 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 5: his second interception of that night to go on top 130 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 5: of four interceptions for the Rams. And if you were 131 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 5: graphing it, like like you see the really granular graphs 132 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 5: on the stock market, if you were, if you could 133 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 5: graph not only Seahawk fans but NFL fans, you know, 134 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 5: faith or belief or what have you. And Sam Darnold 135 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 5: at that point, you know, I mean, it was as 136 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 5: low as it's been since he was with the Jets, 137 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 5: right like right that point, everybody watching on that Thursday night, 138 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 5: and you know his teammates are, you know, Patton on 139 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 5: the back. Hey, that's all right, but you don't you 140 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 5: know what they're thinking, like maybe all this stuff is true. 141 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 5: And he dug deep and from that point on in 142 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 5: that game he had one hundred and forty four passer 143 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 5: rating and some and and in in that game like 144 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 5: that is the hardest damn thing to do to just 145 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 5: you know, toughness is not you know, who can beat 146 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 5: up somebody at a bar fight. Toughness in life is 147 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 5: is when you get that ever leven crap beat out 148 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 5: of you, not physically, but but life just freaking ring. 149 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 5: You know, just Haymakers, you do you feel sorry for 150 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 5: yourself or do you get up in battle? And are 151 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 5: you able to just fight through the adversity? And that 152 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 5: was so hard, in my opinion, so damn hard what 153 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 5: he did. And then you know from there, you know, 154 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 5: he just he got his act together and uh, you 155 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 5: know he won the forty nine er game. That was 156 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 5: important in week eighteen and and then we really didn't 157 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 5: need him because the team was so great, but we 158 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 5: needed him once. We needed him one damn time, and 159 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 5: that was the NFC Championship game. He had to step toward. 160 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 5: It was like a pitcher's duel. It's like, okay, Logan, 161 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 5: you know, you're going against scooball game seven of the 162 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 5: of the ALCS. 163 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 3: Match pitch for pitch man. 164 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 5: You have to do it like you like, we ain't 165 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 5: gonna score more than you know, we're gonna score either 166 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 5: one or two runs. Right, You're gonna have to stand 167 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 5: toe to toe with Matthew Stafford. And and he did it, 168 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 5: and that's when he earned his Super Bowl ring. Really 169 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 5: wasn't last Sunday against the Patriots. In my opinion, those 170 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 5: diamonds are gonna you know shine the brightest when people 171 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 5: think and talk about what he did in that NFC 172 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 5: Championship game when the Seahawks needed it, Like, you know, 173 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 5: all those the defensive guys and Mike McDonald's say, dude, 174 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 5: we can't help you. You're gonna have to step out 175 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 5: in the arena and win this game for us. And 176 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 5: he did it. We all saw it, and everybody who 177 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 5: wants to make an assessment about this guy, they ought 178 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 5: to know it because since Thanksgiving in twenty twenty two, 179 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 5: he's thirty five and ten. He's got the highest win 180 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 5: percentage of any quarterback in the NFL. He's got the 181 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 5: highest percentage of one hundred plus passer rating games of 182 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 5: any quarterback in the NFL. And I don't see what's 183 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 5: why it's so damn hard for us to say, you 184 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 5: know what, in every industry, people improve at their job. 185 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 5: Are you better Dick right now on the air than 186 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 5: you were when you were twenty one? Yes? Like Jackson? 187 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 5: Do you can you manage a show better than you 188 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 5: did when you were twenty one? Like everybody? And so 189 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 5: what is so damn difficult? Can we not say, hey, 190 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 5: guess what? I had this impression of Sam Darnold then 191 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 5: based on the information I had available to me. Now 192 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 5: I have new information, so I can change my mind. 193 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 5: I have inforking. I don't know. I don't get it. 194 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 5: I don't see why that's such a you know, a 195 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 5: difficult process for some people. But he, you know, he's 196 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 5: still gonna hear it from some humil joining us. 197 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 4: You have got a couple of things, you know, somehousekeeping 198 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 4: things on the game itself that I didn't get to 199 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 4: on Monday that I thought would be interesting to bring up. 200 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 4: And first and foremost, was Josh McDaniels bad. 201 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: In the Super Bowl? 202 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 4: Or was his personnel just overwhelmed and he just he 203 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 4: didn't really have You could have had the best offensive 204 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 4: coordinator in the history of the planet and they couldn't 205 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 4: have done anything better. 206 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 5: No, I think there's a lot to question. I mean, here, 207 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 5: here's a guy that they had thrived on on play 208 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 5: action twenty four percent. Uh, he was only eleven percent 209 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 5: in this game. I think it was six six play 210 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 5: action out of fifty three something dropbacks he had. You 211 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 5: only he only moved the pocket for Drake one time. 212 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 5: Compare that to Sam Darnold five times on the bootleg. 213 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 5: You know they they were not prepared for those blitzes 214 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 5: that uh, you know, some of some were exotic. Early on, 215 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 5: there was what I would describe as a pretty difficult 216 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 5: blitz to handle, where there's six up and uh, you 217 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 5: had Ernest Jones dropping off. You had Emon Worry come 218 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 5: on off of Drake May's left. But they had Devin 219 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 5: Witherspoon coming from depth and with what do I mean 220 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 5: by that? He's about six yards deep and and to 221 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 5: the trip's formation from Drake May, he was over not 222 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 5: the inside guy. The inside guy would be closer to 223 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 5: the ball. He was over what we call number two, 224 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 5: the second guy counting outside in that's a long damn 225 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 5: way and yet he he he had a wide open 226 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 5: b gap to the quarterback. But then the the NWOSU 227 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 5: touchdown was a basic garden variety his own blitz that 228 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 5: they didn't handle. Well, there was no there was no 229 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 5: hot there. There's other times where there's no hots. I thought, 230 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 5: Josh McDaniel's just got his flat, got his ass handed 231 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 5: to him by Mike McDonald's and it's all over the tape. 232 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 5: You know, I could buzz up another uh segment or 233 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 5: two or three just talking about that but but yeah, 234 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 5: this's the takeaway. Not prepared for the blitz, not not 235 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 5: responding well, not having not getting to the quick game. 236 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 5: Uh you know, and and and here you had Drake 237 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 5: may was. I was sitting there going like, this guy 238 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 5: is completely unraveling. I think I think it was was. 239 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 5: Uh Chris Collins was said, he is just not The 240 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 5: moment is too big for this guy. I mean the 241 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 5: Super Bowl Trey Troy Aikman has admitted it took him 242 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 5: an entire quarter to stop hypher reventilating and and stop 243 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 5: being nervous about his first Super Bowl. Uh now he 244 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 5: could he could disclose all that because he ended up 245 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 5: throwing four touchdowns and he was the Super Bowl MVP, 246 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 5: So he can step to the mic and say I 247 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 5: was nervous as hell. Drake may can't say that because 248 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 5: of the performance, right, Like that's taboo. But here's a 249 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 5: guy that in college only played in the Duke Mayo 250 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 5: Bowl and the Holiday Bowl, played at North Carolina Basketball School. Like, 251 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 5: how many big games has the guy really been in. 252 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 5: One of the biggest game prior to that was AFC 253 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 5: Championship game and he didn't play well in that. So 254 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 5: I'm sitting there looking going whoa, this is a twenty 255 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 5: three year old that is just like completely the love 256 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 5: nuts are coming off of this entire vehicle. And I 257 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 5: don't think that Josh McDaniel did enough to help him 258 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 5: in the manners that I was describing. 259 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 4: And then it's amazing to me, Hugh, that we get 260 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 4: to a point where you've got a Super Bowl offense 261 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 4: in the New England Patriots, and still they were based 262 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 4: tipping their pitches to the Seahawks. I mean, Devin Witherspoon 263 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 4: told Sirius this week that I knew what was going on. 264 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 3: We had a good tell on what they liked to do. 265 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 3: There was a there's a breakdown. 266 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 4: Charles McDonald from Yahoo did a breakdown identifying Mike on 267 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 4: Winnu the right guard on you know, he's tilting a 268 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 4: certain way towards the A gap when they're gonna run there, 269 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 4: he's tilting towards the B gap. He's got video to 270 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 4: prove it, Like, how how is that possible that you 271 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 4: get to the Super Bowl? 272 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 3: Okay, tipping pitches. 273 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 4: In July on a Saturday by a reliever, Okay, but 274 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 4: in the Super Bowl, that's unbelievable to me. 275 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, guys are looking for tips. I mean there's times 276 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 5: I was watching the AFC Championship game and look at 277 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 5: how Drake May was lined up and sometimes his hips, 278 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 5: feet and shoulders were kind of at an angle. If 279 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 5: if if I can visualize this, if you're your shoulders 280 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 5: should be from think of an analog clock, you know, 281 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 5: from nine to three that would be parallel to the 282 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 5: line of screamage. Right, he was more like eight to two, 283 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 5: you know, And I'm like, okay, he's going to open 284 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 5: to his left uh and and you know, so there's 285 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 5: guys that can uh that that can tip off. You know, 286 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 5: there's some guys you should if if you take your 287 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 5: hand and you like take your hand and you're with 288 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 5: your fingers and push it down on the desk, all right, 289 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 5: so so you know, so you're but with your hand up, 290 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 5: with your palm off the ground, but your fingers pushed down. 291 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 5: You see how you're You see how you're The blood 292 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 5: kind of goes so that your nail portion but it 293 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 5: turns white above that. I've heard defensive linemen they'll look 294 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 5: at the color of the fingers and they will say, well, 295 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 5: if he's doing if if if his the color of 296 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 5: his fingers are that way. That means his weight is forward. 297 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 5: That means it's a run. When I look and I say, okay, 298 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 5: I don't see that the color in the manner that 299 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 5: I'm describing, that means his weight is back, which means 300 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 5: it's a pass. Like people, these guys are looking for 301 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 5: any tell right right, and then you slap your ass, 302 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 5: you know, on one side, and the linebacker knows pass 303 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 5: will run or slap your other cheek and then the 304 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 5: like linebackers runner pass, you know, like this is what 305 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 5: the links that people will go to. But yeah, so 306 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 5: it doesn't surprise me that they found some nuances here 307 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 5: because as I just said, I go, you know, how's 308 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 5: Josh McDaniels, who has six Super Bowl ring? How is 309 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 5: he letting Drake may line up with his shoulders so 310 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 5: off kilter and indicating which way he's going to open 311 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 5: from center? 312 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 3: Hugh Millon joining us, So I got a lot to 313 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 3: get to. 314 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 4: Still, how was JSN taken away by New England? They 315 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 4: had a Ken Walker situation? And I want to get 316 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 4: Hughes take Jackson on what Mike Floriel told us where 317 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 4: he said it was FBS against f CS and that 318 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 4: New England would have won zero out of ten games 319 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 4: against the Seahawks if they would have played ten times. 320 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 4: Talk about all that next on ninety three point three KJF. 321 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: This is Duke of Duke Seafood and this hour is 322 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: brought to you by Duke's Seafood. Why don't you make 323 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: it at Duke's Night tonight. Reserve your table today at 324 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: Dukeseafood dot com. Now back to Softy and Dick on 325 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: Sports Radio ninety three point three KJR. 326 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 5: This one felt like a super Bowl from the seventies 327 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 5: where it was like two different classes of teams where 328 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 5: there was no chance to the team that lost to win. 329 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 6: I feel like if they had played Seahawks Patriots ten times, 330 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 6: the Patriots don't win any It felt like FCS and FBS. 331 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 4: Wow, that's Mike Florio our conversation with Mike on Wednesday here. 332 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 4: What do you think you agree with that Patriots go 333 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 4: oh for ten against the Seattle Seahawks if they played 334 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 4: ten times. 335 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,959 Speaker 5: I want to believe it that that just kind of 336 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 5: triggers some nerves in me. That from an era when 337 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 5: everybody in in college football after the season's played, a 338 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 5: bunch of media types like him, And I really like 339 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 5: Mike Florio, you know, so I don't want to say 340 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 5: I like. I think he's wonderful on the air. I 341 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 5: think he's smart, he's articulate, he has great takes. So 342 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 5: I'm a big fan of Mike Florio, you know, and 343 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 5: had a chance to visit with him in San Francisco there. 344 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 5: So this is not directed at Mike Florio, but it's 345 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 5: directed at a time when college football, you know, they 346 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 5: everybody watches everybody play, and then the media sits around 347 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 5: and says, well, this is you know, this is who 348 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 5: the best, or this is who who would have won, 349 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 5: you know, and and you know, Washington won a lost, 350 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 5: excuse me, lost a national championship in that in that 351 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 5: type of a format of eleven sixty to eleven forty, 352 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 5: the closest vote in the history of the AP. Washington 353 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 5: lost that national championship in nineteen eighty four, and everybody 354 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 5: in the sporting world thought it was okay for media 355 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 5: people to sit around and say, well, I think this 356 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 5: is the best team, or I think that's the best team, 357 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 5: or you know, I think this guy would would have won. Okay, 358 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 5: it really means nothing to me, so so sorry, for 359 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 5: that little diversion of that. But yeah, I mean, if 360 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 5: would you bet if I let me ask you this, 361 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 5: take out your pension and bet half your pension? Are 362 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 5: you seriously going to bet ten out of ten? No? No, 363 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 5: I think they. I think the Patriots would do. I 364 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 5: think it would be one out of ten. But the 365 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 5: hell do I know? You know, but if they. 366 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 3: Redid the points spread, I bet it's ten. 367 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 5: If they read, if they what they saw, I mean, 368 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 5: if after they had seen that, yeah. 369 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 6: I could say like nine and a half. 370 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I thought it was. 371 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 4: Too low in the first place, but you knew they 372 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 4: weren't going to hang a line of eight or nine points. 373 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 4: You know. 374 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 5: An interesting topic came up on Thursday about nick em 375 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 5: and warr and uh and you know, Mike McDonald had 376 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 5: expressed to the media that he stayed up, you know, 377 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 5: he got woke up seventy times or something. He couldn't 378 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 5: sleep because he I wasn't going to play right. And 379 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 5: I'm assuming that that's a little bit of an exaggeration. 380 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 5: Seventy times. How would if he woke up seventy times, 381 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 5: that means he didn't slip? Yeah, right, right, Like I 382 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 5: can't I don't know how you can distinguish between I 383 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 5: was up all night or you know, I woke up 384 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 5: seventy times, So we know that he wasn't being literal. 385 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 5: But I will make this point about the defense and 386 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 5: that matchup. If we had this, guys, if the three 387 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 5: of us were talking in July and August, and in fact, 388 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 5: we did talk in August, and we were breaking down 389 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 5: everybody that we expected to contribute to the defense. Now, 390 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 5: obviously it's not eleven players. You got four defensive ends, 391 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 5: all healthy, their defensive tackle rotation, four defense was all healthy. 392 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 5: I'm talking about going into the Super Bowl, all your linebackers, 393 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 5: your entire secondary, literally whatever twenty guys we would have 394 00:20:55,800 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 5: talked about in the summer, they were all all healthy 395 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 5: and available, like not not even like did not practice 396 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 5: or you know, questionable. They were all full goes. This 397 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 5: was as healthier defense as you could ever imagine. And 398 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 5: so had let's go hypothetical, had em and Worry been 399 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 5: scratched for that Let's say he was inactive and and 400 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 5: Mike McDonald knew it, you know, midweek or even even 401 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 5: late in the week. Are you telling me that that 402 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 5: Nick emm and Worry was going to impact the game 403 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 5: that much. Because if that's true everything that we've all 404 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 5: been saying about mcmike McDonald being a genius, we're gonna 405 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 5: have to pump the brakes on that, right because because 406 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 5: if he had a like historically healthy defense going into 407 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 5: a Super Bowl and you lose one man, there's no 408 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 5: way that that's gonna disrupt it. Yeah, it might not 409 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 5: have been the dominance. And that's not to Negate, nick 410 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 5: Emm and worry. I love the guy. You know that 411 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 5: you can't find anything I've done on a podcast where 412 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 5: I've done anything but just fall over myself about this guy, right, 413 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 5: But I also recognize that if we take him literally, 414 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 5: Mike McDonald, then that sounds pretty silly to me to 415 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 5: think that, you know, a rookie defensive or any defensive 416 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 5: player could impact a game that much. Like have you 417 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 5: ever seen a player move a line like that, a 418 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 5: defensive player a line to that degree. So anyway, I 419 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 5: thought that was an interesting part of last week. In 420 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 5: the takeaway. 421 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 6: Hewlett's flip to the other side of the ball, we 422 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 6: spent a lot of time talking about the defense on 423 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 6: the offensive end. I see the stat line for Jackson 424 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 6: Smith and Jigba at four receptions for twenty seven yards. 425 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 6: I'm wondering is that all just the Christian Gonzales effect 426 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 6: and how good of a cornerback he is for the Patriots. 427 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 6: What do you see from JSN kind of getting shutting 428 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 6: down shut down by the Patriots? 429 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 5: Well, a lot of things. First of all, when you 430 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 5: watch the tape, Yet, Sam Donald missed JSN on some opportunities. 431 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 5: Remember the two deep balls that they threw to Shaheed, 432 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 5: the post route the Gonzales broke up, and then the 433 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 5: go route that was slightly. 434 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 3: Over the JSM was wide open on that guy, right, Uh. 435 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 5: Like JSN on crossing routes. There wasn't anybody anywhere near. Now, 436 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 5: I'm not against Sam cranking up there. There's signs of 437 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 5: predetermination where he just said, hey, you know, I'm you know, 438 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 5: I'm going to take the one on one matchup. But 439 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 5: JSN was wide ass open. Yeah, Gonzalez traveled particularly early, 440 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 5: but he didn't travel all the time. There was uh, 441 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 5: you know, there was a miss by by Sam Donald. 442 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 5: His worst play of the game was that that post 443 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 5: route he missed at the end of the second quarter 444 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 5: where the beautiful scheming balls on the right hash, you 445 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 5: FTB information to boundary, you get the Patriots pushing all 446 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 5: their guys there. There was just a box of coat 447 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 5: hangers to the right of the hash, which means there 448 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 5: was just wide open planes. And you know, it's like 449 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 5: like I don't know, like like North Dakota planes or something. 450 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 5: It was just like as much grass as you could 451 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 5: ever want. You know, buffaloes were roaming out in that 452 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 5: much space. And and somehow Darnald throws it behind him. 453 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 5: I mean, he's he doesn't strike me as the kind 454 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 5: of guy who stares at a ceiling. But you know, 455 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 5: if there was one play where Ead stale as the 456 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 5: ceiling and go, I can't believe I missed that throw? 457 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 5: Was that? So he was open on some of the 458 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 5: But there's there's the other I've got I've got lists here, 459 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 5: Jackson of plays where I say this is evidence of 460 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:43,239 Speaker 5: a defense that ins the covers is h or in 461 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 5: certain type of man's are squeezing to him. For example, 462 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 5: you remember early in the game, Cup catches that deep 463 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 5: over route over by the sideline. There was thought that 464 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 5: that could be reviewed, could have you know, probably from 465 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 5: a Patriot perspective, should have been I don't know if 466 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 5: it was actually a catch. They never really slowed it down. 467 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 5: But uh, what sam Dar was seeing there now that 468 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 5: happened to have been man coverage. But you're there's a 469 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 5: post safety in the middle of the field. You're you're 470 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 5: sending J s N on a deep post and you're 471 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 5: on the deep part and then you've got Cup on 472 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 5: the intermediate part. Well, a lot of times the safety 473 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 5: will come top down, nail down, and and he'll get 474 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 5: even though the you know, you stay deeper in the 475 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 5: deepest there are times where they feel like, hey, we're 476 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 5: okay with the matchup outside and the safety comes out 477 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 5: of the middle. That didn't happen. He stayed deep because 478 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 5: of Jaen and that allowed the one on one Cup 479 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 5: get that that uh that catch. There was another one 480 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 5: very well as by Clint Kubiak. It was you're you're 481 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 5: probably gonna remember this, but a J barner in the 482 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 5: first half, a little check down to Donald in the alley. 483 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 5: He's he's just doing an arc release and then and 484 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 5: checking down there. That was the zone defender that what's 485 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 5: called the curl flat player in that he was screaming 486 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 5: out to the sideline in a manner they don't often 487 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 5: see where he was basically trying to double JSN with 488 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 5: the corners on the top by trying to get underneath 489 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 5: that out route that left you know, twelve yards wide 490 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 5: open for Barner. There's another you know, you've had JSN 491 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 5: complete a lot of intermediate what's called dig routes or basics, 492 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 5: different terminology, but it's just basically an en route at 493 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 5: anywhere from eleven to fourteen yards or what have you. 494 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 5: And a common concept that suck run is where they 495 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 5: run it on what's called a rap or hammer. I'm 496 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 5: using football terminology, but okay, for those who don't know that, 497 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 5: you basically see, I'm gonna take a receiver, run him 498 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 5: right at an inside defender what's called the hooks oone 499 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 5: defenders like running at the second basement and then stop 500 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 5: at five or six yards, hope the second basement steps forward, 501 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 5: and then put an en route in shallow right field 502 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 5: right behind him. Got me, yep, yep? I mean that's 503 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 5: that's the spacing of who you're attacking. If you think 504 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 5: of a baseball infield. Well, that that rap concept has 505 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 5: been money for Seattle all year and uh and yet 506 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 5: the way that Patriots played it who's fifty three. I 507 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 5: meant to look this up before I got on the 508 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 5: radio poll. But they're there. They're linebacker. He he was like, 509 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 5: he wasn't taking any Chris Ellis, Christian Ellis. He he was. 510 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 5: He was just saying, hey, you can have that Hits. 511 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 5: I know that JSN is on that side of the formation, 512 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,959 Speaker 5: and I know he's coming in behind me. They just 513 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 5: they basically gave the layup, you know, instead of uh, 514 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 5: I guess the uh the wide open three I guess 515 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 5: to carry out the analogy. I mean, there's you know, 516 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 5: there was there was a time I'll close with this 517 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 5: on this. There there was a time where balls on 518 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 5: the right hash for Seattle, and Seattle has three receivers 519 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 5: to left, two to the right. Now, when I say 520 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 5: three receivers, the running back was one of them, and 521 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 5: JSN was into the boundary to Sam Donald's right. The 522 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 5: Patriots were playing what's called Tampa two. That's two safeties 523 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,959 Speaker 5: in the back five under why what's the tampa designation? 524 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 5: What's the difference between normal cover two and Tampa two. 525 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 5: Tampa two is when the middle linebacker gets really deep 526 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 5: to help the hole in the middle and it creates 527 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 5: a little space underneath that guy. But you have the 528 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 5: middle linebacker has to be aware of which is the 529 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 5: three receiver side. There's five eligible receivers. At some point 530 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 5: it's going to declare this is either the three by 531 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 5: two side or the four by one side, because there's 532 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,239 Speaker 5: always going to be one on the other. Okay, so 533 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 5: the math gets pretty simple for those guys. What's the 534 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 5: three by two side? Well, in this case, it happened 535 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 5: to be to the field. So so that middle linebacker 536 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 5: he should have been shading the three receiver side, and yeah, 537 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 5: he's getting to the the hole. Uh, but he's got 538 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 5: to be he's a meaning between the two safeties, but 539 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,959 Speaker 5: he's got to push to the what happened to be 540 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 5: both the field side and the three receiver side. Well, 541 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 5: he was hugging up on the hash into the boundary 542 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 5: to the two receiver sides. So they had in essence 543 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 5: on that said, they had three over two, uh defensively 544 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 5: to sam Dan's right, but only two over three to 545 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 5: his left. Like that's unsound. Yeah, that's all right. So 546 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 5: they were willing to be on I'm not saying that 547 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 5: that wasn't a bus, but that's the type of stuff 548 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 5: that shows up on the tape, the the awareness of 549 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 5: JSN and where he's at and in zone, we want 550 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 5: to squeeze to this guy. It's not just travel Gonzales 551 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 5: in man to man, but in zone, where's eleven. Let's 552 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 5: let's make dick. It's like a when you're defending a 553 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 5: three point shooter, like the best shooter on the court, 554 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 5: you coach, you will always know where he is. Yep, right, 555 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 5: you know if eleven is their best shooter, you your 556 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 5: game plan. You go, hey, listen, don't get far away 557 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 5: from eleven. In our zones, you always know where eleven is. 558 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 5: And there's some there's some similarity to a basketball zone 559 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 5: and where's the great shooter and a zone defense in 560 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 5: the NFL, and where's the great receiver. 561 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 4: Let's go from eleven to nine in our next segment, Hugh, 562 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 4: we're talking about K nine. And I saw three different 563 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 4: Knines this year. I saw a tap dancing Knine that 564 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 4: tried to, you know, hit the home run ball in 565 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 4: the beginning of the season. I saw power running K 566 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 4: nine much of the last four or five games of 567 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 4: the season. And I saw Le'Veon Bell in the Super Bowl, 568 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 4: who would just like stop at the line of scrimmage 569 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 4: and pick his poison and then bust twenty yard runs. 570 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 4: We'll see if Hugh felt that way as well, And 571 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 4: if he did, why did we see three different k 572 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 4: Nines this year? 573 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 3: Next on ninety three point three at KJRFM. 574 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: This is Duke of Duke Seafood and this hour is 575 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: brought to you by Duke Seafood. Why don't you make 576 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: it at Duke's Night tonight. Reserve your table today at 577 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: dukeseafood dot com. 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Travis is running the show today And Hugh, 583 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 4: if somebody asked me that didn't watch a second of 584 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 4: Seahawk football this year, just got back from Mars, but 585 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 4: knew that you ken Walker was the running back, and 586 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 4: was hey, how did ken Walker play in twenty twenty five? 587 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 3: And I said I would tell him. 588 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 4: I saw three different ken Walker's. I saw the ken 589 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 4: Walker of the first twelve or thirteen games. Of the 590 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 4: season where he was kind of a dancer, tried to 591 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 4: be extralusive, would have a lot of negative carries or 592 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 4: one or two yard carries, but then as ken Walker does, 593 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 4: would bust the fifteen to twenty yarders occasionally. And then 594 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 4: the second ken Walker after basically maybe even a little 595 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 4: bit before Charbonay went down, but certainly after Charbonay went down, 596 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 4: was just more of the bulldozer carrying guys in the 597 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 4: secondary kind of a straight ahead or make one cut 598 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 4: and go straight ahead, get the extra yards guy. And 599 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,479 Speaker 4: then this Le'Veon bell reincarnated that I saw in the 600 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 4: Super Bowl, and they showed it so many times. I 601 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 4: mean they on the broadcast, Collinsworth and Tariko, we're talking 602 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 4: about he'd get the ball in the back field and 603 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 4: like literally stop and then find a hole and then 604 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 4: accelerate through it. So did you see three different Kens 605 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 4: or it was it one Ken that was just kind 606 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 4: of a little bit different at times? And you know, 607 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 4: and why was he so different over the games? 608 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that that's mostly true. What you say. 609 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,239 Speaker 5: I think that for me early on, I would not 610 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 5: just characterize him as a guy that was dancing unnecessarily. 611 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 5: I think the blocking wasn't as good, okay, and I 612 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 5: think that he was, you know, he was trying to 613 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 5: find holes that you know, there was nothing there frequently. 614 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 5: Now there might might have been one time per game 615 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 5: where you say, okay, that's a bad run. But I 616 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 5: think it's to characterize him as as as the problem 617 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 5: in any way, And maybe I misinterpreted your comment. If 618 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 5: I did, I did, then I'll stand corrected. 619 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 4: No, I'll clarify because I don't think he was the 620 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 4: problem orly in fact that I was saying in September 621 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 4: and October on the air, I was like, we need 622 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 4: to give him the ball more because yes, Ken has 623 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 4: a propend you know, has a preponderance of zero. 624 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 3: One two yard carries. 625 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 4: But you gotta keep giving him the rock yet, because 626 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 4: then he's got a better chance of getting the fifteens 627 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 4: and twenties. 628 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 5: I think there's two things that you know, kind of 629 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 5: phi fill pilosophical worldviews we can say about a running 630 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 5: back that kind of played out in front of us. 631 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 5: In my opinion, one of them is uh, and I 632 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 5: go back to you know, probably OJ Simpson is the 633 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 5: first great back that I remember vividly, you know, I 634 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 5: remember the two thousand yard seat two thousand and three. 635 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 5: You know, I remember that really well, and so I've 636 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 5: I've seen a couple of backs. We played with three 637 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 5: Hall of famers, and so this I have always thought 638 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 5: it was. It was always taught to me. It was 639 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 5: always told, you know, the guys I played with. It 640 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,399 Speaker 5: was just the idea, Hey, you're the workhorse back, you're 641 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 5: the dude, You're you're our best back. You're getting the rock. 642 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 5: We'll spell you from time to time, but you're gonna 643 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 5: get you know, eighty ninety percent of the carries. So 644 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 5: that has changed, you know, you know in in I 645 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 5: don't know this called this half a generation whatever it is, 646 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 5: where now it's like the running back committee and we 647 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 5: see more sharing of the load. So this, to me, 648 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 5: it engenders a conversation about, Hey, did did the guys 649 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 5: back then who said running backs get better throughout the 650 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 5: game because they get the timing of how the defense 651 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 5: is flowing. They they just you know, you know, they 652 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 5: get into a rhythm of how they're seeing things and 653 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 5: and uh and and they're better for for having more carries. 654 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 5: I I think that conversation needs to take place. That's 655 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 5: so that's point one and then the other part of 656 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 5: it is is here I'm referencing backs. But I was 657 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 5: always taught, you know, hit the hit the whole hard, 658 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 5: you know. Go Tony Dorr said when he won the 659 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 5: Heisman Trophy at pitt and then when he was with 660 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 5: the cow the Cowboys. You know, it's like like it 661 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 5: was just boom, you shot out of a cannon when 662 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 5: you go get the ball and you just hit. 663 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 6: The whole hard. 664 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 5: That in that regard, let's let's let me let let 665 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 5: me pause, and I'll make an analogy. We understand the 666 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 5: difference between a great kickoff returner and a great pump returner. 667 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 5: A great kickoff returner gets that ball and he just 668 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 5: he he just sees where he thinks the hole is 669 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 5: and he sprints up there through that hole like a 670 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 5: bat out of hell. Like he just boom, you know, 671 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 5: all all gas, no breaks, put the turbo button on, 672 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 5: and just sprint through the damn hole. Whereas punt returners 673 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 5: they kind of dance a little bit, right, they're kind 674 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 5: of you know, trying to shimmy here, shimmy there, find 675 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 5: a little crack and then accelerate. Well, in this analogy, 676 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 5: there there's the old school like running back hit it 677 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 5: like a kickoff returner, like just bam, just hit that 678 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 5: thing whole hard. Whereas you mentioned Levy and Bell, it's 679 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 5: a great uh visual for those who who remember him, 680 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 5: but that that kind of delay a little bit more 681 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 5: like a part returner, right, And so what what what 682 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 5: we've seen from Kenneth Walker will bring it back to 683 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 5: him Specifically, they changed some things throughout the year. Their 684 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,399 Speaker 5: their wide zone angle was uh. They they they hit 685 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 5: a wider aiming point and so the quarterback had to 686 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 5: stretch more to get him the ball, so that that 687 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 5: caused the defense staff to flow. But Walker is still 688 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,240 Speaker 5: athletic enough that if he by uh making decision third step, 689 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 5: I'll make the actual cut by fifth step. If he 690 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 5: made his fifth step, and he wanted to get north 691 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 5: on a play because because the uh the nd men 692 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 5: on the line of scrimmage was everybody calls the E 693 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 5: M L O S. If he doesn't get hooked, he's uh, 694 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 5: then then the ball is gonna go up inside and 695 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 5: so you have to make that determination. But but they 696 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 5: liked the angles stretching that out and then on the 697 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,839 Speaker 5: inside runs the inside zone and and duo though for 698 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 5: for the coaches out there listening. It's what you saw 699 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 5: is absolutely true, Dick. You know you saw more of 700 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 5: a delayed what I would call lead draw slash ISO 701 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 5: steps for the running back. And you know which was 702 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 5: you know, Emmitt Smith's number one uh run in his 703 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 5: entire career uh and he has most yards in the 704 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:56,959 Speaker 5: History League. 705 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: You know. 706 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 5: So that the the the the idea of a little 707 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 5: bit of a lay and then you know, blast it 708 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 5: right up into the a gap. But for Canine, let 709 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 5: me let me strike the word blast, because you're saying, 710 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 5: wait a minute, I didn't see Kanane blast, but he would. 711 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 5: He would come up and he would assess and then 712 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 5: he would flow with the defense. Now, if you go 713 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 5: back to his career at wake Forest, Doug Garnet, who's 714 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 5: that head coach at wake Forest? Back then? Sorry, there's 715 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 5: too many safety but look, help me out the way 716 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 5: the head coach at wake Forest when when Canine was 717 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 5: at wake Forest? Oh boy, I don't know. 718 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 3: He I'll look it up. 719 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,720 Speaker 5: Taught it. They taught to read the inside zone instead 720 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,919 Speaker 5: of the defensive line. Dave Clawson. Dave Clawson, that's the man, 721 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 5: Dave class And we'll tell you, hey, the way we read. 722 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 5: It isn't normal. We didn't read the inside uh, the 723 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 5: first layer the defensive line. We had we had him 724 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 5: read the second layer, the linebackers. So this is a 725 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 5: style that Canine has been doing from his you know, 726 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 5: big time football infancy if we if I can use 727 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 5: that phrase, because he was playing in the ACC. It's 728 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 5: not the SEC, but it's still you know, right. So 729 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 5: so his his h that that that relatively ingrained in 730 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 5: how he runs, and so he it kind of reminds 731 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 5: me and says, okay, let's let's hold back. Let's try 732 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 5: and see the flow of the defense like a punt returner. 733 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 5: Let's really see the second level. How are those linebackers flowing? 734 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 5: And because he has the acceleration he can go from 735 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 5: usually you say, if you slow down, you don't, you 736 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 5: don't you're not gonna get uh uh you know you 737 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 5: can't accelerate fast enough, right. But because he has a 738 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 5: unique skill set, he's you know, he's a short man. 739 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,320 Speaker 5: If you ever talk to him, it strikes you he's like, whoa, 740 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 5: this guy is shorter than I thought. And stock here 741 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 5: like he is thick, right, And so his style of 742 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 5: being able to just do what you said, and and 743 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 5: and kind of feel the flow and then find see 744 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 5: the hole and burst through. Look, particularly because the Charbonna 745 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 5: is coming off the ACL not that I would really 746 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 5: impact what my conclusion is. You have to sign this man, 747 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 5: he's twenty five years old, if you have to franchise him. 748 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 5: The salary caps going up to three hundred million. You know, 749 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 5: a fourteen million dollars salary cap is not gonna kill you, 750 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 5: because I just I just ask you this, who's your 751 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 5: half back? If it's not Canine, that's right, you don't 752 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,359 Speaker 5: have So. Yeah, the franchise tags for running backs are 753 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 5: you know, relatively you know, manageable. They tend to be 754 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 5: lower than just about any other position. And so to me, 755 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 5: I'm not letting that guy walk out the door. No, 756 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 5: I'm hearing you, and I agree with you. Five fifty 757 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 5: five We got one more segment with Hugh. 758 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 4: He's joining us for a little extra today on a Friday. 759 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 4: We'll talk a little college football as well in the 760 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 4: next segment. This is a big ten. You know, they're 761 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 4: trying to make it go from twelve to sixteen all 762 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 4: the way to twenty four over the next three or 763 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 4: four years. We'll get Hughes take on that in the 764 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 4: final few Seahawks questions as well, right after Top of 765 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 4: the Hour headlines on ninety three point three KJRFF