WEBVTT - Scott Sloan -- 10/27/25 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:03.640 I'm as sick as you are. Bengals lose yesterday. We'll 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:05.440 get into that later on this morning on the Scott's 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:08.039 Flown Show on seven hundred WODA. But in the meantime 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:11.600 we know religion and politics that the line has been blurred. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:12.879 It used to be two things you don't talk about, 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:14.720 religion and politics. Then we started talking about it, and 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:18.239 now those two things have come together and the line 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:21.479 is blurred. And when that happens, you tend to not 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:24.360 question the people who are doing the bidding for you. 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:26.319 And you went up with the crisis and government that 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:28.280 we have not solely because of religion and politics and 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.600 all that. I'm not saying that at all, but it 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.440 certainly allows more will room and more cover to do 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:36.720 what you want, even though it may be in your 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.720 worst interest. Pat Hurley is an expert in logic and 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.320 word intersects with religion and how it's averted by authority. 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:45.400 Doctor Hurley, good morning, How are. 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:47.200 You very good? 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:47.920 Scott? 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:49.440 Thank you for having me on. 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.320 You know, having gone to school and I here have 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.560 friends again. I'm taking logic this semester and everyone got 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.040 a bad grade in logic because it seemed like it 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:00.360 was Oh, this should be a pretty good course. You know, 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:03.440 it'll be interesting and it's really hard. Why is that 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:05.720 logic seems like it should be rather easy. 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.480 Well, logic really involves something. You know, a lot of 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:13.240 college courts these days you all to sit back, take 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:16.679 it easy, but you actually have to learn something, you know, 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:19.960 sign up for a logic for it. There's a genuine 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:20.840 material there. 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:22.399 You know. You can't just. 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.480 Simply well, maybe I just had to surround myself with 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:30.000 dumb friends. I'm guilty. Uh. The thing is, today especially 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.320 people believe things merely because they want to believe them. 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:35.880 We put all our prejudice, We have all those prejudices 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:37.560 in our mind because we can't put that aside and 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.640 go okay, let's let me think about this from a 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:44.720 factual standpoint, and we have we lost our ability to 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.800 do that. Or maybe this is me being old, doctor Hurley, 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:49.520 is that maybe we were just never good at it 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:50.640 to begin with, what's the truth? 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.440 Well, it is something that you have to commit yourself too, 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.160 and going back to what you start, what you said 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:59.160 at the beginning. I do think that there is a 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.520 decline and critical thinking nowadays, and I think this is 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.480 suggested by at least two things. One is the growth 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:09.280 of these unfounded conspiracy theories. They seem to be coming 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.200 out of the woodwork and to the person who believes them, 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.560 and they look like beautiful structures, you know, gorgeous castles, 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.160 but the castles in the air, and they're not supported 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:22.040 by anything. And then the second thing I think is, 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.440 as you said, people seem to believe anything they want 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.480 these days. They believe anything they read on the internet, 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.800 anything they hear on TV. And I think the problem 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.520 in both cases is a lack of evidence. There's no 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:37.200 evidence to support these things. 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:38.000 So what's worse. 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:42.480 People think that evans is not necessary. I just believe 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.240 anything that you want. But critical thinking means supporting your 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:49.440 views and beliefs with evidence. And you might wonder, you know, 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:52.520 what is the cause of this? Well, they have many causes, 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:57.560 you know, lack of familiar familiarity with logic, pef I 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.919 picked up what you cook and steady they've sometimes. 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:02.359 But I think. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:06.040 Religion plays a role in this. Religion blade plays a 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:10.000 big role in practically everything when many people think and believe. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.560 And I know it's kind of different things, but I 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.320 think you can be you know, scientific and critical, but 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.000 also be a firm believer in God. Those two things 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:19.400 are mutually exclusive, are they? 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.960 I think he can for the couples a lot of 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.320 people who are not doing it. You may recall that 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.040 story of the doubting Thomas from the Gospel of Jonas 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:31.239 trained as a Christian anyway, and the way the story went, 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.840 the apostle Thomas was present with the other apostles and 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:36.000 who were telling. 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.040 The story that Jesus had risen from the dead. 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:40.240 And Thomas said, no, I'm not going to believe it 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:42.880 until I put my fingers into the wounds in his 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.920 hands and my hand into the wound in his side. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:50.560 And he just wasn't going to have anything to do 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:55.240 with it. But then miraculously Jesus showed up he apparently 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:58.840 allowed him to do that, and then he became a believer. Well, 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:03.000 the point of this story, I think is that it's 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:07.200 better to believe without having evidence. There's something holy about 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:08.720 believing without evidence. 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:09.680 Uh. 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:14.960 Religious religious belief brings higher kinds of truth, a higher 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.719 kind of knowledge about God and related things. And there's 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:22.960 another another problem I think it goes with this. Faith 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:26.320 of course means belief without evidence, and faith play plays 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:28.760 a big role in many people's religious in fact, every 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:32.039 religious But then there are books like the Bible and 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.040 the Torah and the Kloran, and people believe that these 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.919 things contain the absolute final truths about everything. If you 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:40.880 can find it in the Bible, there. 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:43.320 Everything you need. 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.680 But the problem is the Bible hasn't been found to 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.599 be wrong about hundreds of things, and people don't look 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:53.400 at that. So this is sometimes called the fallacy of 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:54.520 the perfect dictionary. 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:55.200 You want to know the. 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:55.960 Meaning of a word, you. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:01.560 Want to know where some believe about something came from it. 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.600 If it's in the Bible, that's all you need to do, 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.039 and the same thing for the for the Quran and 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.640 the Taurus. But I would argue that there's absolutely no 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:14.919 book anywhere that contains every single truth. But people don't 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:18.440 don't recognize this, and they carry this maximum. You know, 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.120 if it's in the Bible or some other sort, that's 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:23.280 all you need, and they carry it into politics in 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:27.560 ordinary life and have some political figure, some guru you know, 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:31.400 comes out and says something that's it. You don't need 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:32.840 to even think further about it. 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.400 Right, Well, well, I think I think also part of this. 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.760 Doctor Hurley too once you brought up with the Bible 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.679 is that it doesn't answer everything. But here's the problem 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.520 is you have this this sacred text, but it's up 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.919 to human interpretation, and so you can read a passage 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.240 from the Bible and for one religion it means one thing, 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.360 and for some other religion it means something else, which 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:55.880 is why you have what over four thousand different interpretations 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:59.200 of a worship or a deity or whatever it might be. 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:03.080 And you're just hoping your guys, right, that's basically. 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:07.159 What that's That's absolutely true. But I think the cure 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.960 for this kind of thing is to educate yourself, you know, 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.440 become a little bit more educated about what religion is 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:14.000 and where. 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:14.640 It came from. 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.440 And recently most of my writings are the fancy then 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.440 about logic, But recently I wrote a book called Religion, 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:26.360 Power and Illusion, Genealogy of Religious Beliefs, and it offers 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.120 an explanation for where religion came from and why it 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.800 is the way it is, and why do religious leaders 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:35.680 have so much power? Why does religion have rituals and festivals? 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.440 Why is religion run by priests? Who are people that 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.880 I call priests? And why is faith so important and 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:46.440 why does religion involve where worship and sacrifice? So that's 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.640 that's really the focus of this book intended to explain 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.520 things and does we just throw mud at religion like 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.520 many recent books to do, but it tries to give 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.200 you reasons why you know it is the way it is. 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.080 Yeah, yeah, Well, because you're going to have people exploiting 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:02.880 religion for their own benefit. I mean, I think of 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.839 the televangelists, for example, the Prosperity Gospel. It's a nothing 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:08.880 but multi level marketing is what it is. It's a 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:10.920 pyramid scheme and your money floats to the top and 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:12.760 you may not have to give now that's your choice. 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.960 And I think the problem is a lot of this 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.280 gets in the way of understanding God and having that 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.480 belief and that faith, because we want people to interpret 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.280 stuff for us all the time, which is your point 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.200 about logic and religion. And this is why I'm talking 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:28.040 to doctor Pat Hurley this morning about this in the 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:31.120 intersection of those two things that when blended with politics, 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.440 tends to morph your worldview, and it's politicizing religion and 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:38.400 vice versa, and that discourages critical thinking and promotes blind faith. 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.320 And you want that in religion, if you believe in 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.200 one god, if you live in your God, whatever det 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:47.080 that is. But that's really dangerous in politics. Was there 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.080 time in the world or in America when when we 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.760 are much better at being logical, Well. 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:52.680 I think there was. 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:56.200 And the problem is that emotion seems to back most 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.200 of the things that we think nowadays, you know, and 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.480 part of its later to this sub polarization that we 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:08.200 find when we find in society emotion runs the rules 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:13.360 of today and practically in every case, if emotion competes 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:17.679 with reason, emotion is going to win. Unfortunately, that's that's 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.800 the problem, you know. So I think if we just 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:25.680 settled down, I think for what we are doing, we 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.480 may come back, you know, perhaps the earlier times where 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:33.040 we thought through things a little bit more thoroughly. But anyway, 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.360 this book that I that I have written traces religion 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.800 back twelve thousand years all the way to the Neolithic period, 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:43.679 and that was the time that people began the abandoned 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.160 the hunter gather our lifestyle and they settle down in 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:51.680 communities to raise crops. And what happened at that time 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:55.120 twelve thousand years ago, there were some very clever spituals 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.160 who thought to themselves, Wow, if I could figure out 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.360 some way of improving the coffee, you know, that would 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.920 be really popular among my group, right, And that's what 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:07.000 they did. That's what they did. They have they vowed, 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:11.000 you know, the seeds and the field and the rain 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:15.000 and the sun and the wind and the warm temperatures 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:18.640 with gods. And then they persuaded the people in the 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.880 community that they could communicate with those gods, they could 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.800 bargain with those gods, you know, for a better harvest. 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:29.079 And that turned out that the harvest was good. Well. 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.520 Of course, then the people in the community rewarded these 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.760 team these are shamans, I call them. I call them 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.600 these a proto priests. This is where priests came from. 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.839 Rewarded them with all kinds of power. They gave them 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:45.200 wealth and control, social status, good living conditions, madeing opportunities 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.520 and so on. And these were the first priests. And 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:52.319 this pattern of priests creating gods, you know, and then 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.080 persuading the people as they could bargain with those gods 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.640 has continued for twelve thousand years. And it's the very 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.360 same thing. The three seasons lies behind them. The main 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:08.600 religions today of Christianity, Judaism, and in well, so people 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.280 you know, would come to the real if they would 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.240 conclude that what I've said in this book is correct, 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.000 they would see religion in a different life and they 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.400 would see that maybe just because it comes out of 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:24.120 the mouth of some tama, it's not a good reason 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.280 to believe it. And just because it comes out of 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.240 the mouth of some political leader, again, it's not a 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.000 good good reason to believe it. 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.440 Is it's just easier for us as human beings to 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.320 have someone go okay, they seem to have all the answers. 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:40.040 I'm like, they're affiable, they have a charisma about them 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:42.800 that it's more important. And I think it's also part 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.400 of the tribalism that we've seen too talk to about 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.920 ancient history. Is obvious believe that, you know, for a 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.600 lot of people, it seems more important to be part 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.200 of the tribe than it is to be independent. And go, well, 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.080 wait a minute now, you're saying this, but this is true. Also, 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:57.680 how to these coincide? Because you don't want to be 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:01.520 the person challenging the Thompson gazelle, right, you want to 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:03.280 be the gazelle standing out near the pond when the 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.400 rest of the pack is gone, because then the predator 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.560 is going to come and eat your head off. That's 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.800 lot of what I think people think these days too. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.400 We're kind of seeing a reversion, you know. We're kind 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:14.600 of addressing into that, aren't we. 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:17.480 Yes, I think we are. Uh. 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.560 And this tribalism that you mentioned, of course goes back 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.840 ten thousands of years in a pre historic time, and 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:28.000 we're seeing, you know, a new eruption of this, brought 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:32.000 on I think by by the disparity that that people 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:36.840 have an interview, by the diversity of opinions, and by 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.800 the emotion and come come to the surface. You're absolutely right. 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.920 It is the question of a survival and if you 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:50.680 stick your head out even first, so be very careful, 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:51.720 and they're not careful. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:52.280 That's the thing. 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.199 Critical thinking means being careful with what you believe. It 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.199 means having evidence to support your views. That's that's what 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.480 it is. People have to come back to that, they 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:05.120 have to abandon this tribalism that you see today and 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:08.959 come to see that it's important to speak ahead on 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:10.080 what you believe. 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.080 Yeah, but unfortunately we have political leaders that don't espouse that, 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.240 and I guess that's part of politics too. It sounds 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.760 like it's the shaman of old days and we've ascribed 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:19.880 that no out of political leaders on both sides of 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.280 the which is part of the screaming and pandering that 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:25.480 goes on. And that's that's not a good thing. How 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:26.760 what role is education? 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:27.000 Now? 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:30.000 You have worked for years and as an educator as 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:34.360 a professor of logic, and you study this for a 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:37.720 long time, But is education Is our educational system to 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:38.360 blame here too? 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:40.160 I think it is. 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.400 I think in recent years we've seen a dumbing down 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.960 of the curriculums and that I think is really really unfortunate. 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.120 And we teach all kinds of things, you know people, uh, 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:55.439 compared with basket weaving and stuff. I think in recent 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:59.120 years this has come come to that a lot of 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.000 our courses thought in the university don't have any content 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:07.079 really to speak of. And that's that's really really as 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:07.559 the basis. 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:08.440 I think there were a lot. 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.840 Of this and a lot of schools don't teach logic anymore, 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.480 which is unfortunate. Project used to be one of the 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:18.040 seven liberal arts, you know, and uh it's for cost. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.400 Before the liberal arts, you know or about. 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.520 There's almost a conspiracy theory there, right is they want 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:24.200 us dumb. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:31.479 It is onto something. But there's maybe a founded conspiracy 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.880 there is not unbounded. There's evidence. I think that what's happening, 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:39.040 you know, to our educational system in these days. 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.679 So yeah, I mean I didn't really start thinking like 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.160 this until I was out of school, I think, which 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.400 is a sad indictment of my my education. Doctor Patrick 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.280 Curley on the show on seven hundred WLW. He has 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.560 taught logic for a long time. It's always a hard class. 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.400 But how to put your prejudice aside, like religion, power 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.800 and illusion, And I think it gives some context for 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.760 going through here. Typically politically in America, you know, we 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.200 have about twenty percent of extremes and probably less than 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.120 that on both sides on the on the right and 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.560 on the left, and the rest of us kind of 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.120 just sit in the middle of the independent And maybe 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.600 that's why maybe there's hope here something like I just 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.240 saw a new poll forty two percent of Americans consider 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.480 themselves independent, which would make them the large make us 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.160 I guess, the largest political party in the United States. 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.200 So I think a lot of people are getting tired 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:23.440 of this. 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.520 They are, and there are extremes on the right and 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.560 the left. An Aristotle cltered. I think best, you know, 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:34.520 in the middle stands virtue and the bus just going 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.080 to the middle, and I think they may restore these 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.600 maybe the people who restore sanity to this situation, at least. 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:41.120 I hope they do. 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:45.280 I'm a little bit closer myself, so yeah. 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:47.080 I kind of feel like this is maybe the end 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.840 of that. But I don't know. Maybe it's a generational 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:53.240 thing with baby boomers. I'm not sure, but doctor Patrick Curley, Religion, 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.720 Power and Illusion. Thanks again for the time, appreciate it, 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.200 Thank you very much. Take care. We've got to talk 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:02.000 about the inevitability arguably one of the worst losses of 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.160 all time, and that's saying a lot for this franchise. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.880 We also have the thievery in front of Great American Ballpark. 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.560 Now only we get kicked in the crotch yesterday at Pekar. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.160 He got kicked in the crotch at gavp All in 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.320 the same day. We'll get to that right after news. 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:25.400 Sloaney on seven hundred WLW. iHeart Scott's blown back on 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.160 seven hundred W l W loss the cover on this 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.200 Monday morning, and hey, Monday morning, we're coming back just 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:35.640 being in pain. Well, we got just absolutely shafted, got 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:37.840 boned over the last twenty four hours. I mean, first 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.480 of all, you get the Bengals and a horrific loss. 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:44.520 And arguably, if you've been a long suffering Bengals fan, 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.480 this one that this loss feels like it's among the worst. 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:50.960 The other indignity. And Tom Brenneman just an hour ago 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:55.040 had his dad on Marty Brenneman. Somebody stole the microphone 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.680 from the brand spaky new Marty Brenneman statue in front 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:02.240 of Great American Ballpark, broke the microphone off, Like I 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.160 don't know, if it's like the two guys still missing 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.680 from the Louver heist. I'm not sure who's now Now 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.080 they're stealing the Brenneman statue pieces from Cincinnati. What's this 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:13.440 world coming to? I wonder if the Bengals defense had 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:15.800 any to do with guarding Marty's statue. I'm not quite sure. 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.680 I have to look. An investigation is forthcoming, as we'll roll, 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.240 But what an embarrassing loss. If you invested your time, 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.320 the hell if you went down to the stadium yesterday 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.040 expecting a beatdown and making it. You know, the Bengals rolling. 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.120 They get to even all as well, and good. I 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.440 can't imagine how sick in your stomach and the pit 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.520 of your stomach he must feel, having invested all that 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:37.920 time and hope that this should be a lock. Right, 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.840 You look at the schedule and go, yeah, there's no 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.760 question about Bengals got this. We look right past the Jets, 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.120 and you should have because the Jets are bad football. 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.160 There's a reason that there well were until yesterday. It 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:54.560 went seven. In addition to being bad. All their guys 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.720 were hurt. You had one guy it bries Hall, that 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:58.880 was it. You had a running back that's it, justin 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.560 Fields was terrible. You got benched. His quarterback rating was 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.560 less than sixty from the past two games, and you 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:09.680 lost to that guy. I mean he put up some 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.560 some really good numbers, no interceptions, a touchdown, two hundred 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:16.200 and forty four yards, fine, good enough to win. Good. 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:20.240 But the Bengals offense was just so much better. And 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.040 I would say that the play calling and of course 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.080 the level of talent on defense are the two big 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.440 issues for this football team. And there's a low looking 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:28.880 past that. You know, now we got of that conversation 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.200 where I think, go, okay, well you change your defensive coordinator. 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.720 Well you know Shamar Stewart, it's going to take away. 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.360 Well yeah, you're with it on draft picks on defense, 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:41.359 and I don't I don't think that's I mean, you 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:45.120 blame the defensive coordinator around now, Golden and I think 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.440 that you know, some of Zach's play calling was certainly questionable, 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:51.800 especially down the stretch, and that's fair, but that's not like, Okay, 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:53.560 who do we blame? Who's this on? Is to be 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.320 the big question? And I can't help but look at it, 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:57.960 and there's a core thing going on here, and that 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.080 is the fact that you know they're around with contract 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:04.679 with Trey hendricks In and getting receivers under contract and 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:06.240 how are they going to get this done? And then 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:08.879 and really didn't do anything in the off season to 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.080 address the big concerns that as a matter of fact, 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:12.920 they just stood pat with the guys they had because 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.320 they didn't want to spend the money. That's above Zach Taylor, 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.440 that's above Al Golton, that's above the players on the field, 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:19.600 that's front off of stuff. So We're back to that 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:23.720 conversation again, the ugly conversation that quite honestly, the Brown 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.119 family doesn't want us to have because now you're casting 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.960 dispersions on their ability to draft, on their ability to 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.080 run football operations. And that's what it's coming down to. 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:35.639 I mean, explain to me if it's indeed a coaching 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:37.400 Oh wow, this is diff we just come coaching. They're 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:39.040 not going to fire Zach Taylor. He's been to the 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:40.840 Super Bowl of the Century, so he's good for another 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:44.320 one hundred years. You got rid of Loui Anroumo who 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.720 went to Indianapolis and how they do and they're what 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:49.280 they're seven to one, pretty good, pretty good football team. 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:54.000 He's doing. His defense is pretty good, right, that's the 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.119 same guy they ran out of town here, And so 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.000 you bring Al goldon while he's going to coach up 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.159 the he's going to coach up these guys schamar or 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:03.159 he's gonna coach he's got samar Stewart has been terrible. 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.680 I mean, he's literally done nothing. And you could talk 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:09.920 about the holdout, you could talk about the ankle injury 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.639 and he missed the bad Okay, great, But if you 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:14.640 have that God given ability, you're gonna at least make 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:16.920 some plays, especially against a horrible line like the Jets 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:20.400 have nothing. At some point you got to start looking 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.560 above the coaching and okay, well these players are bad. 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.479 Well why do they have bad players? Why are they 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.760 drafting poor players? Why are they hitting on the wrong guys. 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.560 It's a fair question ask, and that falls squarely on 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:33.879 the feet of Duke Tobin and everyone else above him 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:36.520 for that matter. Thirty nine thirty eight they lose yesterday. 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:40.280 That's about as embarrassing as it gets. I was thinking 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:41.920 back in history and I had to look it up. 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:44.440 Last time they one of the teams that really smoked 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.440 him was like twenty seven, nothing like fifteen years ago 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:49.600 to the same New York Jets team. Apparently the Jets 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.880 have their number, but fortunately only play them every so often. 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:55.639 Oh my god. It's just I don't know how you 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:58.240 stood that didn't leave that game yesterday not sick to 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.399 your stomach. I really really don't. That's embarrassing. And a 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:03.760 team that's had some really embarrassing losses, Let's face it, 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:07.720 you beat the Pittsburgh Steelers. Defense was okay, it was 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:11.040 good enough to win, But man, in this game yesterday though, 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:16.119 it was it's just inexplicable how poorly they played against 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:19.240 the worst team in the National Football League. And you 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:21.280 can go on again in Sunday and they were, you know, 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.080 nothing more desperate than a winless team. I get all 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.280 that stuff, but they were so hurt, they were so 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.200 decimated with injuries. They had one weapon they're running back, 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.000 and he torched it for like one hundred and thirty 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:33.720 plus yards. Makes no sense. You had one job. All 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:35.320 you gotta do is stop that guy from running the ball. 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:37.720 And they were running the ball in the fourth quarter, 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:41.320 to show you how confident they were. M really makes 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.360 you want to rip your head out, or your your 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:45.000 head off, or maybe your hair out. Maybe your head 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:46.960 and your hair. That's that bad. We're done. We're beyond 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.280 ripping hair out. We're ripping our own heads off right now. 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:53.080 All right? What else is going on in this world 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.200 of ours? I hate to start it with such a downer. 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.119 Always try to look something positive on Monday morning. I 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:00.760 don't know how many of those those things are going on. 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.000 Later on in the show, We're going to get ten 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.640 oh seven this morning. Kurt Ribers on from Freestore Food Bank. 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:09.600 We are now in the stage of the shutdown where're 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:11.760 starting to feel its effects. You know, in the early stages, 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:13.800 first couple of weeks, for first two three weeks in 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:16.480 this thing, it's all theater. And I said that, look, 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:18.480 this is you know, you're closing national parks and not 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:20.800 cutting grass and picking up trash, and you know you're 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:24.040 still doing construction on the White House. Army Navy football 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.240 game is tell you the service academies that are doing 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:29.239 what they we're paying soldiers. Okay, all well and good. 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:31.199 The first few weeks of this thing is theater. Then 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:33.560 you know, federal employees, okay, we're not getting a pay 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:35.280 check off the start, and it's like, okay, get a 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:38.320 little more serious, but still not that serious. Now you're 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:40.879 talking about snap benefits and stuff and people not eating. 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.959 That's a different story. And we'll see what happens on 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.520 Saturday if they can't find the money to keep people fed. 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.520 In this country, I think of it, we are collectively 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:52.480 a nation of largely fat bastards. We have more food 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:54.400 than we can possibly eat, We throw more food out 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:56.800 than most nations can produce, and at the same time 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.399 we have hungry people. You don't have to be a 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.880 diet in the world, progressive liberal, handwringing, tree hugging democrat 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:05.200 to not feel for your fellow man, especially if you're 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:09.560 I would say, if you're a Christian, do you look 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:11.520 at that and go, that's that's horrific. But that is 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:13.959 part and parcel for what we're talking about. With a 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:17.280 government that only cares about their party. You know you 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:19.520 think they both care, they care about people. No, this 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:22.000 is putting party over politics. And when we have a 0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:25.560 shutdown that continues to plot along. When you get to 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:27.359 that thirty day mark, and there's a reason why this 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:30.639 is the second longest in history. The longest was thirty 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:33.320 five days, and thirty five days about the breaking point 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:34.879 where they say, okay, we got a we guess that 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:37.440 this very well. Maybe what happens Saturday, if we get 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:40.600 to that point, might be the wake up call for 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:43.680 this to change. But once you get past thirty days 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:46.480 and it goes from theater into reality, and we'll see 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:49.879 that on Saturday with the with the snap cuts, and 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:51.919 both sides are just so dug in because the events 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:54.360 they're winning, the political and pr battle, that's all it is. 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:56.159 They just look at their internals, they look at their 0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:58.000 poll and go, oh, there are supporters. There are one 0:22:58.080 --> 0:22:59.879 hundred percent with us year. They want us to continue 0:22:59.920 --> 0:23:03.240 the fight. Well, great, but in the meantime, don't like 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:07.400 normal people, regular people, friends, family members, co workers, neighbors. 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.360 Don't they get squeezed out? You know the idea that 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:15.040 I understand that sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason, but 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:18.000 they also tend to die of very slow death. You know, 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:20.199 the idea that the people getting snap benefits are like 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:23.360 a bunch of welfare queens and kings that simply sit around, 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:27.600 exist on government benefits and don't produce anything. The ball 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.560 and Colonel talk about this after ten o'clock. The bulk 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:32.639 of people or on that are actually working people and 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:35.960 working families, folks who are working multiple jobs that still 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:38.399 can't keep their head above water. That's an indictment of 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:41.919 our system for sure. Dems think Republicans are going to 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.480 shoulder the blame because they run Washington and Trump dominates 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:47.879 the political sphareesots all on them. The only thing that 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:51.199 they're above water on the Democrats talk about a You 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:54.879 think Republicans are messed up, that Democrats are horrible. The 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:57.520 only issue that they're upside on the right side on 0:23:57.560 --> 0:23:59.440 them is healthcare. In the eyes of the American people. 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:03.560 All the polling members indicate that Republicans win pretty every 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:07.640 major character, education, defense, you name it. But healthcare that's 0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:12.040 the one area where Democrats are winning on. And this 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:14.399 is about subsidy to try and carry things on for 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:16.000 people through the first of the year up till the 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:17.320 first year. We don't know what's going to happen with 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:20.000 an Affordable Care Act, which is of course just another 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:22.160 money shift, and no one will address the root issue 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:25.719 with this. No one wants to have a good faith conversation. 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:28.200 You have to have trust. No one trusts each other, 0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:30.959 and so they'll look at their internal numbers, they look 0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:33.639 at their supporters. And meanwhile, if you know, if you're 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:35.679 a political kool aid drinker, you love that because your 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:38.200 side is winning, quote unquote winning. We're winning. We're winning 0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:40.320 this one. We're winning. We're winning. Don't back down. You 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:43.440 got to win, stand and fight, and of course they'll 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:45.959 send out appeals asking you for your money so they 0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:48.240 can continue that fight. But in the meantime, I think 0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:51.080 the middle part of us, the electorate, looks at it. Coinger, 0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:54.440 who's benefiting from people starving or not getting their snap benefits. 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:56.720 I don't want to see more people snap benefits. I 0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:58.360 want to see left. I want to see people work 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:00.720 and buy their own food. Because of the way they've 0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:02.639 structured the system, the way the system is set up 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:04.720 right now, it's hard for a lot of people to 0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:07.040 do that, and they get caught in the middle. I 0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:08.920 think you can be compact, you can can be a conservative, 0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:10.639 and you can be compassionate about that too, and I 0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:13.960 don't so hopefully maybe we can fill that gap with 0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:16.280 the free store food bank. And like Annaway Kurt ribers 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:18.680 I mentioned coming up on the show, at ten oh seven, 0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:23.160 they caught half of them out of the four thieves 0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:25.800 that used a ladder and a vehicle mounted the lift 0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:29.000 to break into the louver in the Apollo Gallery. Last 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:32.359 week they have caught two of the four suspects of 0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:34.360 the four thieves, one of them at least is trying 0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:37.200 to flee the country. After the crown jewel heust in France, 0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:40.960 they still eight pieces of royal jewelry, necklaces, earrings, brooches. 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:47.280 The brooches and belonged to Napoleon's wives and the French royalty. 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:50.560 So the question now is well, that means we can 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:55.240 recover this stuff, right. I got do a rabbit hole 0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:58.639 this weekend reading about this, it was fascinating that if 0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:01.480 you still let's say they still pain well first of all, 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.520 and the reason why they targeted jewels is because there 0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:07.560 are motorcycles. You can put them inside your coat and 0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:10.040 you can drive away trying to carry you know, a 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.200 giant trying to carry the I don't know the bone 0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:15.960 elite though. Way may cause people to look at you go, 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:20.360 I don't know, Yeah, that looks kind of familiar. Probably 0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:23.399 not the best idea. And plus was stolen paintings, you 0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:26.720 can't it's hard to sell because thieves can't show legal 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:28.800 ownership down there's no title to it like a car 0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:31.439 or house, and so you have to sit at it 0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:33.679 for a long time. May end up in you know, 0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:36.000 in a legitimate collection at some point in the future, 0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:39.600 but not anytime soon. So stolen artwork like that, forget it. 0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:43.520 But jewelry a different story. And they're saying that there's 0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:47.320 a ten percent chance, a ten percent chance that this 0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:50.680 can be recovered. The experts seem to think right now 0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:53.800 that the precious jewels, the crown jewels, that were stolen, 0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:58.040 had been broken up in the smaller gemstones, the metals 0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:00.600 had been melted down and reshaped and sold to dealers 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:02.880 who have no idea what it is. And now, granted 0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:06.840 it's a fraction of the value, because we were talking 0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:09.600 about one hundred million dollars is what all these were worth. 0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:12.840 But guess what those gems and that melted down gold 0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:14.720 and silver and all that stuff still worth millions and 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:20.960 millions of dollars. And so maybe they said there's a 0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:24.520 ten percent chancell I'll recover this stuff. That's incredible. Also, 0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:27.680 about ninety percent nine and ten museum heights are inside jobs, 0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:29.439 and this kind of feels like an inside job if 0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:31.480 you watch it, if you followed it at all. I 0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:33.359 did a little bit just because you know, art heists 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:36.440 and heists in general kind of fascinating. You know, there's 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.800 a Ocean's eleven, twelve and thirteen marathon on this week, 0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:41.600 kind of kind of flipped around soft parts of that, 0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:46.040 thinking that's like the louver, right, But most of it is, 0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:48.880 you know, inside jobs, and most of it's stolen during 0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:51.439 storage or transit, not the stuff that's in the display gallery, 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:53.920 which makes us even more compelling because the actually brought 0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:57.240 broke in and stole items that are on display. Because 0:27:57.240 --> 0:27:59.040 most museums a lot of stuff. A museum special to 0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:02.440 Louve I think something like ten percent of their objects 0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:05.320 are on display. Ninety percent of the stuff is in 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:08.919 storage somewhere, and you think, okay, well, stealing it from 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:10.639 storage is a hell of a lot easier then stealing 0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:13.479 something on display. But again they had I think a 0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:15.760 third or more the security cameras were down in that area, 0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:18.320 and it was just a logistical nightmare and mess and 0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:21.040 certainly makes the French government look incompetent and they don't 0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:24.680 need any more help looking like that. Like I guess 0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.360 they're I don't know, man, we may have to check 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:29.639 the lineage of the Bengals defense and maybe a connection 0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:31.879 to France there. I'm not quite sure. But nonetheless, they 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:35.040 caught two of these individuals. One'm trying to flee the country. 0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:36.560 But the idea they're going to get the jewels back, 0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:39.200 according to the experts are saying it's a ten percent 0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:42.440 chance that the stuff hasn't really melted down and already sold. 0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:44.360 For that matter, I mean, I guess you could take 0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:48.040 I don't know, a bunch of jewelry, break the stones off, 0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:50.880 have somebody split the rocks down. Now you've got loose 0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:53.320 diamonds and emeralds and rubies and sapphires and all those 0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:56.520 precious gemstones. And then just take the metal that was 0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:59.560 holding it and melt that down into what I don't know, 0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:02.320 but into maybe a different form of jewelry. It doesn't 0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:03.959 take all that much work if you think about it. 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:06.960 You just need some unscrupulous jewelers to do that for you. 0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:10.120 And there's probably enough money in it to find unscrupulous jewelers. 0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:13.080 So who knows, maybe that next engagementing Dimary and Pennant 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:15.560 whatever it might be one of the French ground jewels. 0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:19.600 You know, if you're getting engaged, can you buy the 0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:21.719 ring and say, you know, I don't say this, but 0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:24.720 that was that was one of the Napoleonic jewels are 0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:28.320 in there. Really can't tell anybody. You can't tell anybody. 0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:31.600 But then again, you better trust that person because they'll 0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.160 roll on you. That's what they do. Eventually, they'll roll 0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:36.600 on you. It's five point three seven four nine seven 0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:39.480 eight hundred The Big One Talkback iHeartRadio app on this 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:43.000 Monday morning with Scott's loan here on seven hundred WLW. 0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:44.720 I want to go. 0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:48.080 You got something back on seven hundred WW. So starting Saturday, 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:50.200 we're on the clock. Right now, about forty two million 0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:53.800 low income people will not get their SNAP that's a 0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:58.760 supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program benefits unless Congress breaks the stalemate. 0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:01.480 Got to fund the government and hit things back open. 0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:04.440 So as things stand right now, and this is a 0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:08.160 very local concern, is that the big beautiful Bill already 0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:10.120 cuts SNAP by like one hundred and eighty six billion, 0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:12.040 which is the largest cut in history. We're headed into 0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:15.840 winter and the holidays, which means demand for services is 0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:18.600 going up. And right here in Sinsey, the Free Store 0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:21.720 Food Bank is the largest emergency food and service provider 0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:24.720 to children and families in all of Cincinnati or Kentucky 0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:28.360 and southeast Indiana. They hand out over fifty almost fifty 0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:31.400 million meals annually to low income people and families. And 0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:34.280 the question is the strain that they're going to face 0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:36.640 or maybe they're they're staying right now. He is the 0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:38.800 CEO the Free Store, and that's kurt ryber Back on 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:40.160 the show this morning. How you been. 0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:42.200 Yourself? 0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:44.640 I'm doing well. Thank you so much. You know the 0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:47.560 story kept coming out and Okay, we've got the government shutdown, 0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:49.360 and now the snap benefits are going to go away 0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:51.640 starting Saturday, and we know there are already cuts to 0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:53.920 Snap under the big beautiful bill, and we know that 0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:57.000 the appeal starts since it's ongoing appeal. Of course it's 0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:59.640 year round, but seemingly around the holidays, right around Thanksgiving 0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.680 and Chris Smiths in winter months, there's more demand for 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:05.280 you guys as well. Are you starting to feel the impact. 0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:09.360 Yet, Well, we've always seen just based on their higher 0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:11.640 growcery prices and the higher cost of living that we're 0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:14.600 seeing right now due to inflation, Scott, we're seeing an 0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:17.400 increase over the past two years. We've seen about a 0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:21.360 thirty five percent increase in demand at our two markets, 0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:24.440 our Detailing market and our Liberty Street market, and then 0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:26.760 our six hundred plus pantry that we serve in the 0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:29.880 twenty counties served by the Free Star are letting us 0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:33.400 know also that they're seeing increased demand. Typically, when kids 0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:35.440 go back to school, we see the demand drop off 0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:37.719 a little bit because eight out of ten kids are 0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:40.680 eligible for free and reduced lunches, which is also going 0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:44.040 to be impacted by this government shutdown as well. But 0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:47.000 I think what we're seeing right now is that people 0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:51.120 were living paycheck to paycheck during the pandemic, and that 0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:55.680 continues because people have burned through those reserves, so they've 0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:57.840 been relying on a freestore food bank and our sister 0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:01.680 food banks across the country at a much higher level. 0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:04.880 So we've got literally tens of thousands here in Cincinnati 0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:08.200 that are potentially losing food assistants coming up. How are 0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:10.640 you guys at the freestore preparing for what could be 0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:13.240 a massive influx of people who never used the food 0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:13.840 bank before. 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:18.360 Well, we've been reaching out to the federal employees, the 0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:23.560 military families, the folks that have been impacted by the 0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.080 furloughs and the layoffs, because we want to let them 0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:28.680 know that we're available and we're there to help them 0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:30.720 through this difficult, challenging time. 0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:32.960 We're looking right now as. 0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:36.080 To whether or not we're able to increase our food 0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:38.920 distributions at least at our two markets, at our Betailor 0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:42.719 Market and our Liberty Market to twice a month, typically 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:44.719 during the summer months, when the kids drop from school. 0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.000 We allow our neighbors to come and shop twice a month, 0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:50.040 and then during the school year we had them shop 0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:52.840 once a month. But we're looking right now to see 0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:55.480 whether or not we have the resources and the capacity 0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:58.120 to allow them to come and shop twice a month 0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:01.000 at least until the government shut down the resolved and 0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:03.280 staff benefits we come to flow. 0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:06.280 Yeah, so double the demand here and at least so 0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:08.760 there's a capacity concerned here. Do you have enough food, 0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:11.480 you have tech? Do you have enough volunteers and resources 0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:12.040 to handle that? 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:15.880 Well? The volunteers, obviously, we can always use more volunteers. 0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:20.320 I encourage folks to go to Freestorefoodbank dot org and uh, 0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:25.040 you know, volunteer on our volunteer button. But also as 0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:29.160 far as reserves and resources we have, you know, we 0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:32.040 we've acted very you know, frugally, We've been good storages 0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:34.680 of the resource we've gotten in. We would always encourage 0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:36.880 folks if they have the capacity to make the gifts now, 0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:40.840 especially during these more challenging times for the families that 0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:43.520 are serving, now would be an opportune time to do that. 0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:46.440 But I think what we're looking at right now is 0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:49.640 making sure that we're Unfortunately, we've been buying more food 0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:53.440 than we have in the past because of supply chain 0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:55.800 issues and the like. But I think what we're trying 0:33:55.800 --> 0:34:00.720 to now is talk to our food service partners, the 0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:03.600 grocery stores that are out there, the manufacturers that are 0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:06.680 out there, and trying to say, if we're buying food 0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:08.640 from you all, is there also some food that you 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:11.000 could donate as well. So we're trying to hit it 0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:13.800 on all front, Scott, so you know we're there. 0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:14.320 For the families. 0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:17.120 But the reality is this is that nine out of 0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:20.560 ten meals are provided by SNAFF Benefits and one out 0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:22.799 of ten meals is provided by Freestore Food Bank our 0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:27.240 sister food banks across the country. Just in Ohio, almost 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:30.920 one and a half million families receive individuals receive SNAFF benefits. 0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:35.239 Forty five thousand of those are veterans, and sixty two 0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:39.120 percent of them are our families with children. So we 0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:42.239 know that it's going to be felt. Fifty percent of 0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:44.839 the families that we serve, and we serve two hundred 0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:46.799 and seventy five thousand of our neighbors that are food 0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:50.000 and secure eighty two thousand wich your kids, so we 0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:53.719 serve about half of those are receiving SNAFF benefits and 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:56.319 Most of the families that we serve are working, just 0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:58.560 not making enough money to make ends meet when it 0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:02.480 comes time to groceries, or paying the rent, or buying 0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:05.040 medicine for the kids, or paying you know, buying food. 0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.680 So those are the things that we've been confronted with 0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:11.319 for years. But this community has really rallied behind us 0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:13.440 over the year, Scott, and I know that they're going 0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:14.080 to do that again. 0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:17.640 Now, I'm sure you've also looked at it too. I mean, 0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:21.400 you have to do a I guess, find out what 0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:23.640 your breaking point is for lack of a better term, right, 0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:25.920 I mean, how close are you to that? If you 0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.000 start to add up all these numbers to go, how 0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:29.880 are we going to sustain this? If we're now twice 0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:32.720 a month, then we've increased demand, you know, thirty percent. 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:34.680 Is that sustainable for how long? 0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:36.080 Well? 0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:37.719 You know, the way we look at this is that 0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:43.120 you know, we've prepared for, you know, to maintain reserves 0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:47.520 for events like this. We've gone through some natural disasters 0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:49.960 where we've partner with other food banks across the country. 0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:55.640 We've rallied behind folks during the pandemic, during the Great Recession. 0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:58.360 So Free Store is going to stand tall and be 0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:01.799 there as well as our six hundred food pantries that 0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:05.839 are across the twenty countside. Twenty County is served by 0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:08.239 the free store. But at some point in time, we 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:11.880 will get to a point where, you know, if this 0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:17.080 is a prolonged government shutdown, then more and more families 0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:19.319 will be turning to a free store and our sister 0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:21.840 food banks, and at that point in time we'll have 0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:24.560 to assess the situation. But right now, we're not there. 0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:26.680 Right now, we are in a situation where we have 0:36:27.239 --> 0:36:32.360 resources and reserves to weather the storm on a on 0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:34.680 a temporary basis. I would say if we go out 0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:38.919 there another you know, you know, thirty days, then things 0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:41.120 are going to have to get a little bit more tighter. 0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:42.879 Well, as I've said a long you know, the first 0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:45.839 few weeks, days and weeks of this, it's all political theater. 0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:48.319 But as you get to that thirty day mark. And 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:50.520 that's why the longest shutdown, in the second longest and 0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:53.640 longest one is thirty five days, because now that theater 0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:56.520 becomes reality. In the case where you guys are at 0:36:56.560 --> 0:37:00.440 Freestore Food Bank, Kurt Ryber, you're going to see the 0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:03.399 families who serve hit the hardest and typically who gets 0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:08.040 hurt in there when the SNAP benefits disappear disappear. What 0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:09.560 kind of folks are we talking about here. 0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:13.279 We're talking about you've got you've got seniors, You've got 0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:14.920 you know, military families. 0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:15.760 Uh. 0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:19.560 Forty three percent of the SNAPPERS recipients in Ohio, our 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:22.839 older adults are disabled individuals, as I said, sixty two 0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:26.280 percent are families with children. We have forty five thousand 0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:30.280 volunteer or veterans I'm sorry to receive SNAP benefits in Ohio. 0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:33.719 And that's that's just you know, those are the folks 0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:36.560 that have given so much of their own lives to 0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:40.319 this great country of ours, and now when we need 0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:43.640 to help them during their challenging times, we need to 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:45.239 be there. And that's really what the free store is 0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:49.759 going to be about. Uh you've mentioned Thanksgiving coming up. 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:54.120 Then you'll have a Christmas holidays and the December holidays 0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:57.120 that are out there, uh, you know, and families will 0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:01.520 be relying on freestore and much more profound way in 0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:04.359 order to make ends meet. And Free Store in this 0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:08.560 community has rallied behind these situations in the past. And 0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:10.560 you know my challenge, right, now is to let people 0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:13.480 know that they can make a difference by making a 0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:17.360 donation of the Freestore Food Bank. Every dollar comes in 0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:19.799 and we compriabe the equivalent of three meals and that's 0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:22.319 really going a long ways towards helping to meet the 0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:23.920 needs of these families that are struggling. 0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:27.120 Yeah, it really is consider you to make a thoughtful 0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:30.200 donation as well to the Freeestore New Food Bank now 0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.040 more than ever because of what we're talking about here. 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:34.440 And you know, you mentioned the families that show up 0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:36.960 and I'm sure there's some familiar faces there, but you're 0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:39.080 going to see a whole bunch of people have never 0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:43.120 needed help before. And on that too, how do you 0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:45.600 reach people and help understand that food banks are there 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:47.399 for them. I mean, you're going to get a whole 0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:49.840 new if this continues, a whole new bunch of people 0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:52.120 showing up or people who may not know you exist 0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:52.799 in the first place. 0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:55.600 Yeah, Scott, what we're doing is we're using all of 0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:58.160 our social media outlets in order to do that, or 0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:02.359 using folks like yourselves on seven hundred WLW to raise 0:39:02.400 --> 0:39:05.480 awareness about the Free Store Food Bank. If people need assistance, 0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:07.959 they can go to Freestore Foodbank dot Org and click 0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:09.799 on to get help now, and they can find a 0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:12.560 pantry that's close to them and be able to receive 0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:15.080 that assistance that they need for The free store has 0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:18.600 continued to rally behind the families that we've served in 0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:22.680 the Tri State area, and we saw an uptick in 0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:25.760 the number of food and secure families over the past 0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:28.680 two years here. But I think what we're going to 0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:29.920 try to do is we're going to try to look 0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:31.920 at it and say, Okay, how can we make a difference. 0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:33.680 And we do that through a couple of other things. 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:37.040 We also have wraparound support of services our Customer Connection Center, 0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:40.480 so we provide rental assystems to utility assistance. We have 0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:44.600 two wonderful workforce training programs we're getting folks back into 0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:48.640 the workforce, and our culinary program Cincinnati Cooks. I left 0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:51.200 the Tri State Logistics program. So there are things that 0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:55.040 we're doing to stem the tide. But right now we 0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:57.200 need people to support us so that we can support 0:39:57.239 --> 0:40:00.400 those families that are truly in a dire situation. 0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:04.080 Is this sustainable at this right? I mean, even if 0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:06.360 a fraction we said forty two million people turn to 0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:08.640 food banks across the country, including the Free Star Food 0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:11.319 Bank where you're the CEO of kurt ryber Can, the 0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:14.080 Charitable Food System, and I would include churches there as well. 0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:17.000 Can we possibly fill that gap that's a lot of people. 0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:18.640 We can't. 0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:20.680 We can't food bank our way out of the scott 0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:24.239 and you've shared that with our elected officials both at 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:28.120 the state, federal, and local levels. We're working with folks 0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:30.200 at Hamilton County to figure out what we can do 0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:33.640 as far as reallocating some resources there. We're talking to 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:35.840 the folks of the city, but we're also talking to 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:38.080 our federal luckt officials as well and trying to say 0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:42.040 through our government relations team at Feed in America, they're 0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:46.000 continuing to let folks know that this is really impacting 0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:49.680 families because they're quite honest with not doing their job 0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:53.480 and getting a budget passed, and you know, having a 0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:57.480 continued resolution passed its creatically important and right now is 0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:59.680 more than ever for the families that we're serving. 0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:01.799 Yeah, now, three weeks ago is okay, We're going to 0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:03.880 shut some national parts and maybe not cut the grass. 0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:07.520 Now now you're talking about not feeding people and that 0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:09.520 that's the reality as this thing has gone from theater 0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:14.400 to looming damage. I know, I think it was Virginia. 0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:17.600 They declared a state of emergency and covered SNAP with 0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:21.160 state funds. Says you mentioned local and federal. What's the 0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:23.120 state's role in us. Have you reached out the governor. 0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:27.040 To Wane, Well, we reached out to the elected officials, 0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:29.880 to our state associations. We have a Free State Association 0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:32.960 that we're partners with and they are helping us, you know, 0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:35.840 message those you know, the folks at the governor's office, 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:41.360 Governor Dwine, Governor Brasher, governor will come over in Indiana 0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:47.399 and they're really helping you tell the story and tell 0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:49.759 the impact. What you have to understand too, is that 0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:52.480 for every dollar worth of SNAP benefits that come in 0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:55.720 to our economy, that equates one to a dollar fifty 0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:58.839 four in economic impact. So you know, we're not really 0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:02.720 impacting just the families that were serving, but we're impacting 0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:06.840 the retailers, the grocery stores, the folks that or have 0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:10.640 hired a lot of people that will also be impacted 0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:12.359 if this government continues to shut down. 0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:14.759 Let's say in the next four or five days that 0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:16.880 they finally are able to get this thing done in 0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:20.360 open government back up, but even beyond November. If the 0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:23.839 shutdown ends this week and benefits are restored, what's your 0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:25.960 outlook for like the next six or twelve months, Kurt. 0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:28.160 Well, I think what we're going to see is where 0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:30.480 you continue to see people that are that are struggling, 0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:34.120 you know, living paycheck to paycheck. You know the inflationary pressures. 0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:36.560 The stock market may be going up, but that's not 0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:40.760 impacting the families that we're serving. So those economic benefits 0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:44.600 they receive are pretty really important to really stem the tide. 0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:47.200 Seventy percent of the families that we serve, the neighbors 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:50.279 that come into our markets are are working families. You're 0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:52.439 just not making enough money to make ends meet when 0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:55.960 a child gets sick, or car breaks down, or your 0:42:56.040 --> 0:42:57.560 chili bills are out of site. I mean, if we 0:42:57.600 --> 0:43:01.719 have a rough winter, people that decide do I pay 0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:05.360 for my heat and electricity or door buy food. And 0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:07.560 when they make that decision and they say I'm going 0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:09.880 to pay for my electricity and my heat, which is 0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.360 critically important, then they're going to come to our food 0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:15.520 bank and our food pantries and really try to figure 0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:18.239 out how they can leverage those resources as well, so 0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:22.720 everything works in dependently on each other, and right now, 0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:24.919 more than ever, we need as help. 0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:27.960 Yeah, this is this isn't the old tired, stereotypical welfare 0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:30.279 queen Wright King who just shows up and gets free 0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:32.239 stuff from everybody who doesn't feel like they got to work. 0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:35.640 You're talking about people working multiple jobs with the family 0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:38.440 and trying to keep their head above water because the 0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:40.840 cost inflation and everything has gone through the roof and 0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:44.560 skyrocketed because of a number of factors. And now if 0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:47.279 you cut off the benefits are getting the food benefits here, 0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:48.560 people really starve. 0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:50.479 Well. 0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:53.440 It's really critically important when you know, and I want 0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:56.279 to encourage folks if they do need assistance, then you know, 0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:58.960 please go to our website Prestore Foodbank dot org and 0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:01.320 they can find help. Hear of them, they find a 0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:04.680 pandry that's close to them. We have over six hundred 0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:07.280 pantries that we support in twenty counties, about eighty percent 0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:10.080 of our faith based. So we know that the faith 0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:12.759 community is rallying behind this as well, and we know 0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:14.759 that the families that we're serving, and we have one 0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:17.239 hundred and forty amazing team members to work as a 0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:19.279 free Store of Food Bank on the front lines of 0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:21.880 hunger each and every day. We have over twelve thousand 0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:25.440 volunteers that provide eighty two thousand dollars a volunteer service 0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:28.279 war US. So this community has rallied behind the Free 0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:30.080 Store Food Bank. We know they will do that again 0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:34.640 and we just encourage folks to help us get through 0:44:34.719 --> 0:44:35.600 this time. 0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:37.920 Talent, treasure, right, the three big things. And you can 0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:41.400 give one or maybe all of those in these efforts. 0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:43.959 And maybe you need want to volunteer, don't have money 0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:47.280 to give you, but you have time, certainly go and volunteer. 0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:50.239 Go to Freestorefoodbank dot org. If you have money and 0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:52.920 you want to give, please do that because they're going 0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:55.719 to need to fill this void if indeed we get 0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:58.279 to Saturday and forty two million low income people don't 0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:01.000 get their Snap benefits. And we're talking about food here. 0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.279 We're not talking about anything else but just basic human 0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:06.560 sustenance at this point. So Kurt Ryber, Yeah. 0:45:06.400 --> 0:45:08.200 One thing I would point out to Scott is that 0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:10.760 a lot of folks who have been asking questions about 0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:13.400 their Snap benefits that are already on their Snap cards, 0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:18.160 those benefits will be available and usable after this, you know, 0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:21.200 after this November first deadline. So if you have Snap 0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:23.400 benefits that are continuing to stay on your card, you 0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:26.280 can still use those as the retailers that you frequent 0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:28.520 until those are spent. 0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:32.080 Important point to the Snap benefit card itself. You have 0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:34.120 the credit on there, you're just not getting any new credit. 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:35.440 That's correct. 0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:39.399 Yeah, as of Saturday anyway, Well, hopefully cool er health 0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:41.279 will prevailed. They'll come to a conclusion here and wrap 0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:44.400 this nonsense up because now you're really impacting people's lives. 0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:46.440 Kurt ryber at the Free Star of Food Bank. God 0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:48.120 bless you man. Thanks for what you do. We'll get 0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:50.360 the word out, try to get some volunteers, get you 0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:53.600 some money too, to maybe stem the tide here. Thanks 0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:56.200 so much, Scott, I appreciate you. Take care. Thanks so much. Yeah, 0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:59.799 it's the sad reality of it that, you know, if 0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:01.840 you're political junkie and you're into this thing, and you 0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:03.840 you know you want your side to hold out, Democrats 0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:06.040 want their side to hold out, Republicans on weather side. 0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:09.080 The reality is there are people, real people who are 0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:11.920 getting caught up in the middle of thist kids, working families, 0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:16.680 especially seniors, veterans. How is government serving them? How's government 0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:18.759 serving us? This is self serving, is what this is. 0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:22.320 It's politics over people. Right now. You could be, you know, 0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:25.239 the strongest conservative in the world, Christian conservative all while 0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:28.080 and good. You can't look at this and hear about 0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:30.840 people who are working two three jobs. They've got kids, 0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:34.280 you've got seniors, you've got veterans who are falling between 0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:37.719 the cracks and not be compassionate about that. 0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:38.359 And I am. 0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:41.480 I understand how dire the straits are for a country, 0:46:41.560 --> 0:46:44.680 our future and our tremendous national debt that's growing by 0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:47.520 the second. But this doesn't help that. This doesn't help 0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:49.840 people because you got to live for today. And the 0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:52.080 nonsense of shutting things down when they could be sitting 0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:54.480 and talking and negotiating, actually working for the people and 0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:57.000 not against them. I think should stand above all that. 0:46:57.239 --> 0:47:01.239 Scott's Loan Show seven hundred do all. Everyone needs help 0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:04.359 every now and then, and she'asier to help us get 0:47:04.400 --> 0:47:07.720 our heads right. This is Mental Health Monday with mental 0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:11.520 health expert Julie Headtershire. All right, the weekend two work 0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:14.359 week transition sucks. It just sucks. It sucks worse when 0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:16.279 the Bengals lose like they did, because then you just 0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:20.279 wake up mad. I just stay in bed. Oh you 0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:22.399 know what, just take the week off to the next game. 0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:24.719 That's how I feel. Julie Hatters here, Welcome to the show. 0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:25.080 How are you? 0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:27.239 Hello? I'm good. How are you? 0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:30.440 There's no greater Bengal or NFL fan than you. I know, 0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:32.520 and I know how hard you take a loss of true. 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:37.200 Yes, I didn't even know they played yesterday, much less. 0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:39.480 Less I know because you She'll text me like during 0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:41.600 the game, going what we should talk about this tomorrow? 0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:44.560 Charl getting a sold But the rest of the world's 0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:46.879 watching football. You have no idea what's going no idea. 0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:52.080 No, I had no idea, not a clue. You are right. 0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:54.560 You're the person who's out there, like Super Bowl Sunday. 0:47:54.600 --> 0:47:56.440 She's the one. She's shopping, she's at the store, she's 0:47:56.480 --> 0:47:58.239 doing anything. Why is everything? Why is there no one 0:47:58.320 --> 0:47:59.600 out today? This is stupid. 0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:03.200 No, I at least know about Super Bowl Sunday. I 0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:04.160 mean that's a big deal. 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:06.600 That's a big deal. That is a big deal. It 0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:08.360 is so hard. And the reason why we do this 0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:10.480 segment of Metal Health Monday is because Monday is the 0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:13.480 worst day of the week for most people, but especially 0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:15.399 between you know what's going on inside that little head 0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:18.720 of your So transitioning from the weekend, it starts on Friday. 0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:20.520 You're in weekend mode. Maybe you work out of the 0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:22.239 house so it's even a little more lax, or maybe 0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:24.040 you get off a little early and hey, I got Friday, 0:48:24.080 --> 0:48:26.440 I got Saturday. Sunday comes along. I know people that 0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:29.640 party right up until about ten o'clock Sunday night, and 0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:32.680 then Monday comes along and they're like, ah, it's all 0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:34.440 coming at me at the same time. Here is there 0:48:34.480 --> 0:48:38.359 a way to mentally ease that transition a little bit better? 0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:41.640 Well, I think there are several things we can do. 0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:44.040 But I think one of the things that gets lost 0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:47.080 in the conversation about starting your work week, And as 0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:50.319 I was sort of prepping for this talk this show, 0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:54.040 I noticed this is that when we go to work 0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:58.000 versus on the weekend, it's not just shifting what we do, 0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:00.920 but to some degree, it's shifting we are. We are 0:49:01.400 --> 0:49:03.759 most of us different people at work than we are 0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:06.960 on the weekends, and so for a lot of us, 0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:12.239 that identity shift is a really hard thing, going from 0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:14.800 who you have to be at home with your family 0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:17.399 or in your life on the weekend to going into 0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:21.680 work on Monday and being the productive or we hope 0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:24.040 productive worker that you are in. Whatever job you do 0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:29.000 requires not just doing different things, but being a different person. 0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:32.840 And for some of us, we don't like the person 0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:34.960 we are at work as much as we like the 0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:37.680 person we are at home. So sometimes I think that 0:49:37.800 --> 0:49:40.200 gets lost in the conversation. And I think that's an 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:44.160 important thing to recognize, is that it requires an identity 0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:47.160 shift that sometimes we don't enjoy very much. 0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:49.560 Okay, because you got to put your workface onus what 0:49:49.640 --> 0:49:51.279 you're saying and be some like, for example, you've got 0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:52.880 to go out and you know, if you're in sales, 0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:55.160 you got to go well be a salesperson. Either that's 0:49:55.160 --> 0:49:57.359 a tough job or it's like wow, physical abor, I'm 0:49:57.360 --> 0:49:59.480 still sore from Friday. I got to get back and 0:49:59.600 --> 0:50:00.480 put back to work here. 0:50:01.520 --> 0:50:03.960 Yes, And I know I've worked with people in sales 0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:05.960 over the course of my career and many of them 0:50:05.960 --> 0:50:09.160 are actually introverted, and so to go out and be 0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:14.040 in a sales position, customer facing, knocking on doors literally 0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:18.839 sometimes knocking on doctor's offices doors to bring them lunch 0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:21.800 is difficult for them, and they have to sort of 0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:25.160 energize and gear up and kind of rev themselves up. 0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:26.920 And put themselves into sort of a. 0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:29.480 Slightly altered identity in order to do that, and then 0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:30.840 they get to sort of go back to who they 0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:33.760 actually are on the weekend. So for a lot of people, 0:50:34.280 --> 0:50:37.719 becoming that worker on Monday is difficult. It's not just 0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:39.680 about going to work, it's who you have to be 0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:40.319 when you're there. 0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:43.920 Yeah, yeah, okay, putting that face on. Okay, I get 0:50:43.960 --> 0:50:46.200 that whole thing. Yeah all right, So all right, I 0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:48.399 got to make that When should that transition start? 0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:53.400 Well, I think people need to start doing that Sunday evening. 0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:55.480 I think the most. 0:50:55.360 --> 0:50:58.440 Successful productive people that I've worked with have sort of 0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:03.399 a Sunday evening route where they sort of gear down 0:51:03.480 --> 0:51:06.640 from the weekend and start to transition into before they 0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:08.919 go to bed on Sunday night, start to transition into 0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:13.000 two Monday mode. That doesn't necessarily mean looking at their calendars, 0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:14.640 that doesn't necessarily mean. 0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:15.920 Diving back in. 0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:18.640 That means sort of, for many of them, setting an 0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:23.000 intention of what do I need to do this week? 0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:25.440 What are my big projects. What are my big goals 0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:27.800 and who do I need to be in order to 0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:30.640 accomplish them? And how can I set myself up for 0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:34.359 success tonight so that tomorrow morning I hit the ground 0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:36.319 running and I'm able to get done what I need 0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:39.640 to get done. So it's sort of a larger goal 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:43.000 intention setting kind of shift than it is looking at 0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:45.240 what you have first thing Monday morning on your calendar. 0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:48.840 Kind of Okay, yeah, I guess, but that feels like 0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:52.359 you're demand's cheating out of hours on your weekend again. 0:51:52.400 --> 0:51:55.080 You know, wait a minute, I never got to get 0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:57.680 my game face on. It's still Sunday. It's till my day. Man, 0:51:57.760 --> 0:51:58.759 Come on, it's the Lord's day. 0:51:58.760 --> 0:51:59.120 What do we doing? 0:51:59.280 --> 0:51:59.880 No? I get that. 0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:03.840 Yeah, that makes perfect sense. And so a way to 0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:07.680 think about that is how to protect enough of who 0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:12.200 I am and my identity and my life by making 0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:17.200 the shift as seamless and the transition as easy as possible, 0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:21.080 versus that jarring the alarm goes off and you're like, oh, shoot, 0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:21.840 now it's Monday. 0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:22.800 Now what am I going to do? 0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:29.640 So optimizing it for you, not optimizing it for your employer. 0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:32.920 How can I make my Monday morning go better for me, 0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:35.880 for my partner, for my family if I have one 0:52:35.960 --> 0:52:39.440 at home. How can I ease this transition for myself? 0:52:40.040 --> 0:52:42.759 Not how can I start working on Sunday night when 0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:44.279 they're not paying me till Monday morning. 0:52:44.960 --> 0:52:47.520 It's a different it's a different way of looking at it, Okay. 0:52:47.360 --> 0:52:49.800 All right, just a different Julie Hendershare here, a licensed 0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:52.719 mental health therapist on this mental health Monday here on 0:52:52.840 --> 0:52:56.560 seven hundred WW Scott's Loan show. The weekend work week transition. 0:52:57.320 --> 0:52:59.360 It is a tough shift and over the course of 0:52:59.440 --> 0:53:01.399 a few hours, because you could also do a little 0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:03.760 bit like like for me, you know, I'll pull behind 0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:05.800 a curtain, like after the show, I'll get all stuff 0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:07.520 lined up for the week ahead, kind of cut through 0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:09.440 some old email and kind of wrap things up for 0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:11.560 the week, and then look ahead and lay some stuff out, 0:53:11.640 --> 0:53:13.959 and then a little bit on Saturday and a little 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:15.800 bit on Sunday and I just kind of spread it 0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:18.160 out over the weekend. When I'm up having my coffee, 0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:20.040 like I had a little time I'm waking up anyway, 0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:22.239 it's a good time before all the cob webs start 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:24.239 to come back into my head to get all that 0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:24.960 stuff out of the way. 0:53:25.920 --> 0:53:26.160 Great. 0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:28.920 I was wondering what productivity things you do, because I 0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:31.080 know that you stay on top of what's going on 0:53:31.160 --> 0:53:34.279 in the world and in the news every day, whether 0:53:34.400 --> 0:53:36.879 you're working or not, whether you have a show coming 0:53:36.960 --> 0:53:37.279 up or not. 0:53:37.400 --> 0:53:38.200 I know that you do that. 0:53:38.280 --> 0:53:39.120 But I also know that you. 0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:41.359 Don't let that run your life, that that's not how 0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:44.080 you organize the rest of your life. And so I 0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:48.280 was wondering what kind of productivity and work life balance 0:53:48.400 --> 0:53:49.880 kinds of things you utilize. 0:53:51.719 --> 0:53:53.719 I just try to do it little pieces. You know, 0:53:53.719 --> 0:53:56.719 obviously during the week is busier, but I notice if 0:53:56.760 --> 0:53:59.520 I if I'm out of town or something and come 0:53:59.560 --> 0:54:01.239 back and on Sunday or something, it's like, oh my 0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:04.560 God's chaos. Because but you know, there are little times 0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:06.560 you can slip away even on you know, if you're 0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:08.360 out of town or doing something else, like okay, I 0:54:08.440 --> 0:54:10.480 just need to you know, get half hour forty minutes 0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:12.520 and kind of run through some stuff, line some stuff 0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:14.239 up because you're always thinking ahead, but just doing the 0:54:14.239 --> 0:54:16.640 little nuggets when you're staying around no typically instead of 0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:19.920 you know, doom scrolling social media. If you took a 0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:21.880 half hour forty minutes just to kind of do that. 0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:26.880 It seems like it's it's just not so I don't know, 0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:28.719 you know, like Sunday comes are like, oh my god, 0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:30.560 I get get ready for Monday. You know how people are. 0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:31.960 It's like if you do a little bit, I think 0:54:32.000 --> 0:54:34.719 each day, I mean, just could could be twenty minutes, 0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:36.799 half hour, it seems to make that Sunday and then 0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:39.160 the Monday transition a lot better, at least that for me. Anyway. 0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:44.440 Yes, yes, I have had clients who are military and firefighters, 0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:46.320 and one of the things that they've all said to 0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:48.000 me is if you stay ready, you don't have to 0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:51.640 get ready. If you stay on top of it, it's 0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:54.200 not such a big deal to jump into it. So 0:54:54.480 --> 0:54:56.200 if you stay ready, you don't have to get ready. 0:54:56.200 --> 0:54:59.520 And so those people who have jobs that allow or 0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:02.759 require some level of readiness in that way spending a 0:55:02.800 --> 0:55:03.600 little time. 0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:05.719 On the weekend just kind of staying on top of things. 0:55:05.800 --> 0:55:07.800 So like you, over the weekend, I will do a 0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:09.759 little work. One of the things I will do is 0:55:09.960 --> 0:55:10.520 read my. 0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:13.920 Note from the last session for the people I have 0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:16.279 coming up in the week, just so I kind of 0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:17.759 have a sense of how. 0:55:17.760 --> 0:55:21.640 Difficult or easy my week with clients is going to be. 0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:23.640 If I knew we had a rough session with five 0:55:23.719 --> 0:55:26.200 clients and I'm seeing all five this week, well, okay, 0:55:26.239 --> 0:55:27.640 that's going to be kind of a heavy week. If 0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:29.680 I know things are going pretty smoothly for some of them, 0:55:29.719 --> 0:55:32.200 then I have an idea of energetically what my week 0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:33.880 is going to look like. So I just kind of 0:55:33.920 --> 0:55:35.879 get a sense of that, so I know what I'm 0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:37.000 heading into on Monday. 0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:38.279 Yeah, I think so. 0:55:38.480 --> 0:55:39.520 Like you, I kind of stay on it. 0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:42.640 Yeah, just a task size it, right. What about the 0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:45.719 element of you know, worktime's work time typically you know 0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:48.400 you're dialing your focus like that too, But what about weekend? 0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:50.560 Should we because man, it's so easy for all this 0:55:50.560 --> 0:55:52.480 stuff to start bleeding over to the weekend too. I 0:55:52.520 --> 0:55:54.719 think you got to put boundaries up, right, Oh. 0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:56.799 I think you have to put boundaries and protect your 0:55:56.840 --> 0:55:59.879 off time as much as is humanly possible. I think 0:56:00.000 --> 0:56:02.520 you have to protect your off time. So for example, 0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:05.040 I read my notes from I don't read my notes 0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:06.960 from all my sessions, just for the ones I'm seeing 0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:08.840 for the next week, and I only give myself like 0:56:08.920 --> 0:56:11.440 twenty or thirty minutes tops to do that and then 0:56:11.480 --> 0:56:13.480 I put it away and then I'm done. But you 0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:16.040 need to protect that time. But then when you're in 0:56:16.239 --> 0:56:19.600 your workflow, you need it's really important for most people 0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:21.680 to have blocks of time where they can actually do 0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:24.160 deep work, where they can actually do the work that 0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:28.480 they're getting paid to do, instead of being interrupted by 0:56:28.560 --> 0:56:31.800 meetings or chit tech conversations at the office or email. 0:56:32.000 --> 0:56:34.600 So you know, turn off all your devices if you 0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:36.719 can protect chunks of time. 0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:40.600 Because there's a guy named Pareto pa r Eto. He's 0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:41.439 a business EA. 0:56:41.440 --> 0:56:43.600 Kind of guy, and he says he's got this eighty 0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:46.880 twenty principle that says twenty percent of our actions account 0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:51.760 for eighty percent of our successful outcomes. So twenty percent 0:56:51.840 --> 0:56:55.320 of what we do, generally speaking, accounts for eighty percent 0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:56.760 of our successful outcomes. 0:56:57.040 --> 0:56:59.040 And the rest of what we do is. 0:56:59.520 --> 0:57:04.279 Extreme and perhaps unnecessary or certainly not as crucial as 0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:07.759 that twenty percent. So for everybody, if you can start 0:57:07.840 --> 0:57:11.040 looking at identifying what are the things that I do 0:57:11.400 --> 0:57:15.239 in my workday that give me the best outcomes and 0:57:15.360 --> 0:57:19.280 the most good outcomes, let me focus my attention on 0:57:19.400 --> 0:57:21.680 those at the start of the week, to the degree 0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:24.760 that I can to set myself up for a successful 0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:27.640 week the rest of the week, because part of sometimes 0:57:27.720 --> 0:57:30.320 what happens is you hit the ground in chaos on Monday, 0:57:30.600 --> 0:57:33.920 you play catch up on Tuesday or Wednesday. Now you're 0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:36.160 actually getting into the work that you need to do 0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:38.280 on Thursday and Friday, and then it's the weekend and 0:57:38.320 --> 0:57:42.120 you abruptly stop. So if you frontload the success in 0:57:42.280 --> 0:57:45.760 the week, then by Friday you're tying up loose ends, 0:57:46.240 --> 0:57:49.320 you're managing a few last minute things, and then you're 0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:52.160 off for the weekend, and it's an easier transition into 0:57:52.240 --> 0:57:54.960 the weekend and then an easier transition back into Monday. 0:57:55.120 --> 0:57:58.960 Yeah okay, Yeah, you're doing it in little bits and 0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:01.080 pieces supposed all once. That makes a lot of sense, 0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:03.720 and you've got to be consistent with it too. I 0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:06.120 think that's the other important thing. Just turned in new 0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:07.240 habit is what you're saying. 0:58:08.120 --> 0:58:12.120 Yeah, habitually set up a workflow that makes sense for you. 0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:14.439 I know you and I've had a previous conversation about 0:58:14.480 --> 0:58:17.320 what time of day people are at their most productive, 0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:20.480 and it's different for everyone. So also, what day of 0:58:20.520 --> 0:58:22.720 the week are people most productive and I think that 0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:26.520 if you can find a large chunk of your productivity 0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:30.680 early in your week, then you can relax the end 0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:33.400 of your week, ease into your weekend, and the Sunday 0:58:33.400 --> 0:58:35.960 to Monday transition doesn't feel quite so abrupt because it 0:58:36.040 --> 0:58:37.720 wasn't abrupt Friday into Saturday. 0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:40.720 So it kind of creates a flow that makes sense. 0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:43.840 I think for many people, and many of us have 0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:46.280 the capacity to make those kinds of changes in the 0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:46.960 way that we work. 0:58:47.080 --> 0:58:50.040 All right, Julie Harris, you're talking about transition from a 0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:52.720 weekend to work week. That's all well and good. What 0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:55.160 if you really hate what you do. What if you'd 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:57.680 like just absolutely get fearful and sick that you've got 0:58:57.760 --> 0:58:59.160 to go back to work on money? I know people 0:58:59.280 --> 0:58:59.440 like that. 0:59:00.360 --> 0:59:02.160 Oh, there are a lot of people like that, and 0:59:02.240 --> 0:59:04.480 that's why you have Julie Bee on every week to. 0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:05.680 Talk about your stuff. 0:59:06.240 --> 0:59:12.040 But then I think can become not so much focusing 0:59:12.080 --> 0:59:13.760 on what you do and whether you like it or not, 0:59:14.320 --> 0:59:17.440 but what what you do allows you to do, be 0:59:17.600 --> 0:59:19.520 and have in the rest of your life. I know 0:59:19.640 --> 0:59:22.320 a lot of people who really dislike their jobs but 0:59:22.480 --> 0:59:25.720 really love the life that the money or the job 0:59:25.800 --> 0:59:29.120 itself allows them to have. So I know people who 0:59:29.240 --> 0:59:31.040 travel for work a lot, and they don't really like 0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:33.760 traveling for work, but they love the miles that they 0:59:33.880 --> 0:59:34.280 rack up. 0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:35.560 They love the ability to. 0:59:36.000 --> 0:59:38.400 Maybe tack a day on on one end or the 0:59:38.480 --> 0:59:40.160 other and see a part of the country or the 0:59:40.240 --> 0:59:43.760 world they've never seen before. They love the opportunity to 0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:46.120 meet new people. They don't like it being away from 0:59:46.200 --> 0:59:49.640 home or their family, but they like the opportunities that 0:59:49.760 --> 0:59:53.040 that offers them. So focus on either if there are 0:59:53.120 --> 0:59:56.160 aspects of your job that are less awful, focus on those, 0:59:56.440 --> 0:59:59.040 but also what does your job allow you to be, 0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:01.520 or do or have that you couldn't be or do 1:00:01.680 --> 1:00:04.960 or have if you didn't do it, And look at 1:00:04.960 --> 1:00:07.000 it more as a means to an end than the 1:00:07.200 --> 1:00:08.400 end in itself. 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:10.080 Which is more important. That's why it's so important to 1:00:10.160 --> 1:00:13.640 have outside work time too, so you can compartmentalize, you know, 1:00:13.760 --> 1:00:16.840 and hey, look, if your work you focus on what 1:00:16.960 --> 1:00:19.640 you're doing when you're not there, and especially if what 1:00:19.720 --> 1:00:22.040 you're doing when you're not at your job maybe I 1:00:22.040 --> 1:00:23.880 don't know, maybe you have a side hustle too or something, 1:00:23.880 --> 1:00:26.520 and you think about parlaying that into your full time job. 1:00:27.480 --> 1:00:27.640 Yes. 1:00:28.160 --> 1:00:31.240 Yes, side hustles are great because they can people with 1:00:31.360 --> 1:00:34.040 an exit strategy at work if they hate what they're doing. 1:00:34.120 --> 1:00:38.440 People with an exit strategy generally feel better than people 1:00:38.480 --> 1:00:41.360 who have no exit strategy, either because they haven't created 1:00:41.400 --> 1:00:43.320 one or they don't believe that they could access one. 1:00:43.680 --> 1:00:45.520 So if your side hustle is going to be your 1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:47.960 full time hustle at some point in time, working on 1:00:48.120 --> 1:00:50.200 that on your off hours can help make the work 1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:53.320 you're doing more tolerable, the job that you don't like 1:00:53.400 --> 1:00:54.080 more tolerable. 1:00:54.200 --> 1:00:57.200 Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense. And then, man, 1:00:57.240 --> 1:00:59.480 when you how do you do that on a vacation? 1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:01.760 Though it's one thing to say, hey, here's your pattern 1:01:01.840 --> 1:01:04.080 for the weekend, but you take a week off. Should 1:01:04.120 --> 1:01:05.600 you be doing a little bit each day? Do you 1:01:05.720 --> 1:01:09.600 wait till last? How does that? Because it sucks you 1:01:09.640 --> 1:01:12.040 get on vacation and then you have an avalanche of email. 1:01:12.080 --> 1:01:14.400 For example, when we went to our little Australia to 1:01:14.480 --> 1:01:17.480 our big Australia trip for two weeks, it took me 1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:20.320 a good week and a half to respond to emails 1:01:20.400 --> 1:01:22.680 because literally I had like a thous one thousand emails 1:01:22.800 --> 1:01:24.479 waiting for me after two weeks. 1:01:24.520 --> 1:01:25.720 So yes. 1:01:26.360 --> 1:01:28.640 So I think it's really important for people to protect 1:01:28.720 --> 1:01:31.000 vacation time. And I think it's really important to the 1:01:31.120 --> 1:01:34.520 degree that you possibly can, to let people know that 1:01:34.760 --> 1:01:37.480 you will not be responding while you're on vacation, that 1:01:38.000 --> 1:01:41.120 you will take some time to respond when you get back, 1:01:41.160 --> 1:01:44.840 because you will probably have an avalanche of projects and 1:01:44.920 --> 1:01:47.960 people and emails and phone calls and things to get 1:01:48.000 --> 1:01:52.360 back to immediately, and that you will get to them 1:01:52.440 --> 1:01:54.200 just as quickly as you can. But if it's super 1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:57.080 duper important, they should pin you again when they know 1:01:57.200 --> 1:01:58.880 you're going to be back in the office to move 1:01:58.920 --> 1:02:01.360 it to the top of your proority list. So I 1:02:01.440 --> 1:02:05.960 think setting the expectation ahead of time and holding fast 1:02:06.080 --> 1:02:08.640 to that, because you can say I'm unplugged, but then 1:02:08.640 --> 1:02:10.640 if you an answer an email or two, well, now 1:02:10.680 --> 1:02:13.240 people know you're not really unplugged. So if you intend 1:02:13.320 --> 1:02:16.160 to be set that expectation and hold fast to it, 1:02:16.720 --> 1:02:20.920 and then if you can, when you can, create a 1:02:21.120 --> 1:02:24.360 transition day for yourself if possible, So instead of coming 1:02:24.440 --> 1:02:27.120 back in late on Sunday night and starting work on Monday, 1:02:27.440 --> 1:02:29.840 maybe come back in on Saturday and having Sunday to 1:02:29.920 --> 1:02:32.480 transition back and get back into the work week on Monday, 1:02:32.800 --> 1:02:35.120 or maybe take that Monday off as well and start 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:38.680 your work week on Tuesday. But set yourself a transition 1:02:38.880 --> 1:02:42.120 time to get everything cleaned up from the vacation, unpacked, 1:02:42.200 --> 1:02:45.000 put away and start working your way back into your 1:02:45.080 --> 1:02:46.360 work week and give. 1:02:46.280 --> 1:02:47.400 Yourself that buffer. 1:02:47.920 --> 1:02:51.040 Just plan that into your schedule if you possibly can. 1:02:51.400 --> 1:02:53.560 Can make a huge difference for how you re enter 1:02:53.680 --> 1:02:56.000 the work life after you've been on vacation. 1:02:56.200 --> 1:02:58.680 Okay, yeah, it makes a lot of sense. She's Julie Hatters, 1:02:58.720 --> 1:03:01.840 your licensed mental health there pissed at bconnected dot care. 1:03:01.880 --> 1:03:03.640 If you want to reach out to her, it's hey, 1:03:03.840 --> 1:03:06.720 Julie at the letter be connected at dot care. She 1:03:06.880 --> 1:03:09.680 practices Clifton and right here in the Cincinnati. It's mental 1:03:09.720 --> 1:03:13.320 health Monday. Good stuff as we transition. Probably should have 1:03:13.320 --> 1:03:16.240 had you on Friday to get ready a little late now, 1:03:16.400 --> 1:03:17.400 isn't that we're back at work? 1:03:17.640 --> 1:03:20.520 Hi, You can start. You can start tonight for tomorrow. 1:03:20.680 --> 1:03:23.040 Just pretend you've got a Tuesday start of the week. 1:03:23.240 --> 1:03:25.520 Getting the groove. You gotta get in the groove right grind. 1:03:25.560 --> 1:03:27.120 I just think you probably don't have a good twenty 1:03:27.240 --> 1:03:29.400 thirty more years of this work and stuff. Just think 1:03:29.840 --> 1:03:32.520 what's in front of you. It's incredible. All the best, 1:03:32.600 --> 1:03:35.280 have a great week. Appreciate you, Thanks you too. All right, 1:03:35.360 --> 1:03:37.280 let's get a news updata in just about five minutes 1:03:37.280 --> 1:03:40.000 away here on seven hundred WLW. Much has been made 1:03:40.080 --> 1:03:43.000 of the fiscal impact of immigration, and the folks at 1:03:43.040 --> 1:03:46.680 Manhattan Institute have analyzed ten and twenty and thirty years 1:03:47.080 --> 1:03:49.720 of government data and all the programs we had in immigration, 1:03:49.840 --> 1:03:51.520 What we get right, what we get wrong? In the 1:03:51.640 --> 1:03:55.240 eye opening conclusion and maybe not as eye opening, is 1:03:55.280 --> 1:03:59.760 a fact that immigrants with advanced degrees tend to be 1:03:59.840 --> 1:04:03.360 a huge boon to our economy, whereas those who come 1:04:03.440 --> 1:04:05.920 in without such education tend to be a drain. But 1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:08.160 it also has to do with eight what age you 1:04:08.320 --> 1:04:11.760 immigrate to this country. It's an interesting outlook on things 1:04:11.840 --> 1:04:14.560 and would actually restore tens of millions of dollars to 1:04:14.600 --> 1:04:17.200 the bottom line, meaning reducing our deficit if we followed 1:04:17.240 --> 1:04:20.240 this plan. Really interesting stuff with Daniel de Martinez. He's 1:04:20.320 --> 1:04:22.560 next on the Scott Flown Show on seven hundred WW 1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:29.600 Cincinnati boone dot com seven hundred WLW. The immigration fights 1:04:29.760 --> 1:04:33.400 that were kneedeep into lots of fights including immigration get 1:04:33.440 --> 1:04:36.400 illegals out keep the legal ten But who out of 1:04:36.480 --> 1:04:39.520 that long line gets in who stays maybe a better 1:04:39.640 --> 1:04:43.040 question of who is rather than maybe how many and 1:04:43.640 --> 1:04:47.120 should the US admit them through reform and immigration system? 1:04:47.120 --> 1:04:49.200 Who should get in at this point? So the Manhattan 1:04:49.240 --> 1:04:51.600 Institute of their think tank, and they studied a ten 1:04:51.760 --> 1:04:54.760 and thirty year impacts of dozens of our nation's immigration 1:04:54.840 --> 1:04:58.200 policies over the years and categorize immigrants on tax revenue, 1:04:58.240 --> 1:05:01.680 federal spending GDP, population, and who gives us a benefit 1:05:01.800 --> 1:05:05.000 in who takes away? With the answers Daniel Di Martino 1:05:05.120 --> 1:05:07.120 of the Manhattan and Suit where he's a fellow, Daniel, 1:05:07.120 --> 1:05:09.560 welcome to show. How are you very good? 1:05:09.600 --> 1:05:10.240 Thank you for having me. 1:05:10.480 --> 1:05:10.640 Yeah. 1:05:10.800 --> 1:05:15.240 So you find that if you're younger and you're educated, 1:05:15.320 --> 1:05:19.120 you have an advanced degree, those people generate large fiscal surpluses. 1:05:19.200 --> 1:05:22.520 They expand the economy. If you're low skilled, you tend 1:05:22.560 --> 1:05:24.920 to get more benefits than they contribute in taxes. That 1:05:25.160 --> 1:05:27.760 is the bottom line. And there's some other things we're 1:05:27.760 --> 1:05:29.919 going to get into here, but essentially that's the core 1:05:30.000 --> 1:05:32.200 of this thing that's really not surprising, is it. 1:05:33.360 --> 1:05:35.880 It is not because we have a progressive tax system 1:05:36.120 --> 1:05:39.160 and we have a welfare system that gives benefits to 1:05:39.200 --> 1:05:41.920 people based on how little they make. Right, So if 1:05:41.960 --> 1:05:44.720 you bring in a lot of four people or elderly 1:05:44.880 --> 1:05:48.200 people that will receive entitlements, then those people will be 1:05:48.240 --> 1:05:50.080 a next cost to the federal government. 1:05:50.160 --> 1:05:50.920 That's a no brainer. 1:05:51.760 --> 1:05:53.520 So why does the college degree make such a vast 1:05:53.520 --> 1:05:55.720 efforts And we're talking millions of dollars in that one 1:05:55.800 --> 1:06:00.320 person's financial impact and of course the lodge. What's driving that? Yeah? 1:06:01.240 --> 1:06:02.360 Yeah, a lot of people tell. 1:06:02.240 --> 1:06:04.400 Me, but you know, a college degree is and all 1:06:04.480 --> 1:06:07.680 you need. I'm like, of course, these are all averages. 1:06:07.800 --> 1:06:09.800 This doesn't mean that there are are immigrants for high 1:06:09.800 --> 1:06:13.200 school dropouts that do better, right. There are many college 1:06:13.280 --> 1:06:17.400 dropouts that create a big company, But that doesn't mean 1:06:17.520 --> 1:06:19.480 that that's the most common case. 1:06:19.880 --> 1:06:20.000 Right. 1:06:20.840 --> 1:06:24.280 And you also have to understand that for immigrants, college 1:06:24.320 --> 1:06:28.040 degrees mean much more than for native born Americans. A 1:06:28.160 --> 1:06:31.200 college degree in a foreign country is a much rarer 1:06:31.560 --> 1:06:34.240 thing to have than in America. And so when you 1:06:34.360 --> 1:06:37.880 bring in people discriminating by education instead of anything else, 1:06:38.480 --> 1:06:41.080 you can assure yourself that that person comes from a 1:06:41.160 --> 1:06:42.400 much more elite background. 1:06:43.160 --> 1:06:44.800 But at the same time, you know, we have countless 1:06:44.840 --> 1:06:47.040 people who have college degrees that complain they can't find 1:06:47.080 --> 1:06:49.000 a job in their chosen field and they have a 1:06:49.040 --> 1:06:51.479 degree and go, Okay, great, I can't service the loan 1:06:51.560 --> 1:06:54.000 that I took out to get that degree, and I'm 1:06:54.040 --> 1:06:55.760 doing something I don't want to do, and I never 1:06:55.800 --> 1:06:58.960 see myself getting ahead. And yet immigrants come to this 1:06:59.040 --> 1:07:02.640 country and touched and contribute to the GDP. Is it 1:07:02.720 --> 1:07:05.520 about degree choice? Are we talking about specific degrees here 1:07:05.560 --> 1:07:06.360 and not just a degree? 1:07:07.400 --> 1:07:10.000 Well, it's true that immigrants do you specialize like the 1:07:10.040 --> 1:07:12.680 immigrants that are sponsored to come in fields that are 1:07:12.720 --> 1:07:17.160 even more highly paid, so like medicine, stam areas. And 1:07:17.280 --> 1:07:19.520 also they just have an even an. 1:07:19.440 --> 1:07:22.720 Even higher education and go to different universities. 1:07:22.840 --> 1:07:26.200 Right, So you know, people talk about like people who 1:07:26.240 --> 1:07:30.680 graduate from the US University's Americans who get it a 1:07:30.920 --> 1:07:33.600 STEM degree, but it's an underground degree, you know, that 1:07:33.800 --> 1:07:37.600 counts biology, that counts like a regular engineering degree, and 1:07:37.800 --> 1:07:40.120 you're competing against people who have a master's degree or 1:07:40.160 --> 1:07:40.600 a PhD. 1:07:40.720 --> 1:07:43.680 I mean, obviously you can't get the job that you want. 1:07:44.200 --> 1:07:47.400 And then you also have the other fact, which is 1:07:49.560 --> 1:07:53.080 immigrant start businesses, so they expand the economy that way, 1:07:53.680 --> 1:07:56.760 the average immigrant does not look like the average person 1:07:56.880 --> 1:08:00.360 in that country. And then there's a lot of people 1:08:00.360 --> 1:08:02.280 who tell me, well, but we want to keep those 1:08:02.400 --> 1:08:04.800 jobs for Americans, right like, we don't want them to 1:08:04.920 --> 1:08:09.560 replace the native born college graduates or seeking opportunities, and 1:08:09.720 --> 1:08:13.320 that's that's just not how the labor market works. Well, 1:08:13.360 --> 1:08:15.960 you have more people in the labor market, you don't 1:08:15.960 --> 1:08:17.040 have the same number of jobs. 1:08:17.640 --> 1:08:20.240 There are relative wage effects. 1:08:20.000 --> 1:08:23.439 That is true, but because immigrants also at the highly 1:08:23.800 --> 1:08:26.400 educated level, you know, people like you at Musk who 1:08:26.479 --> 1:08:29.920 came on a twenty visis or people like Gens and Huang, 1:08:30.320 --> 1:08:34.240 they end up also increasing productivity and wages for people 1:08:34.280 --> 1:08:35.400 who are college educated. 1:08:36.439 --> 1:08:39.479 Dan, you found that a fifty year old immigrant looks 1:08:39.520 --> 1:08:41.599 great for the budget in year ten, so they immigrant 1:08:41.680 --> 1:08:43.719 by the time mistic okay, thanks are great to productive, 1:08:43.720 --> 1:08:47.679 but by year thirty, it's terrible. Child immigrant the exact opposite. 1:08:48.680 --> 1:08:50.599 It tends to be a net gain for this country. 1:08:50.760 --> 1:08:53.519 So in that regard, shouldn't we be encouraging things like 1:08:53.600 --> 1:08:55.760 doc and can you walk can you walk through us? Well, 1:08:55.760 --> 1:08:56.960 why that that flip happens? 1:08:57.840 --> 1:09:01.679 Yeah, So I these estimates on a ten and thirty 1:09:01.760 --> 1:09:03.920 year basis before I have done them last year on 1:09:03.960 --> 1:09:06.439 a lifetime basis. And the reason I switched to ten 1:09:06.520 --> 1:09:09.320 in thirty years is because of Congress. When they pass legislation, 1:09:09.840 --> 1:09:13.240 the Congressional Budget Office only cares about the ten year 1:09:13.479 --> 1:09:16.759 budget window and then secondarily about the thirty year budget window. 1:09:17.160 --> 1:09:18.719 So when they're. 1:09:18.600 --> 1:09:21.280 Decided to pat legislation, they need this estimate. 1:09:21.120 --> 1:09:21.680 Like I made it. 1:09:22.640 --> 1:09:25.840 And so that's a problem though, because you're right, a 1:09:25.960 --> 1:09:28.400 fifty year old limigrant on an average will look good 1:09:28.520 --> 1:09:30.360 over the next ten years because it's going to be 1:09:30.439 --> 1:09:33.040 from the age of fifty to age of sixty, and 1:09:33.360 --> 1:09:36.360 an immigrant who is ten years old, a child that 1:09:36.479 --> 1:09:38.679 comes with a family is going to look bad because 1:09:38.720 --> 1:09:40.479 it's not when I work from age ten to twenty. 1:09:41.280 --> 1:09:44.760 So that shifts over the third year window. 1:09:44.560 --> 1:09:46.360 Because then the older immigrant is going to. 1:09:46.320 --> 1:09:48.599 Collect security and Medicare and the young. 1:09:48.479 --> 1:09:49.759 Emion is going to start working. 1:09:51.640 --> 1:09:54.040 So people need to keep that in mind and understand 1:09:54.160 --> 1:09:57.040 these are averages and if you want to benefit the 1:09:57.080 --> 1:09:59.600 budget in the long run, you need younger people, and 1:09:59.680 --> 1:10:00.920 you need more educated people. 1:10:01.000 --> 1:10:04.080 Got to Dande d Martina Manhattan Institute breaking a study 1:10:04.120 --> 1:10:07.080 here of ten and thirty year impacts of immigration, and 1:10:07.320 --> 1:10:10.320 the bottom line is that education drives fiscal impact, but 1:10:10.439 --> 1:10:14.120 age matters a lot too. That young immigrants look costly 1:10:14.200 --> 1:10:16.160 in the short term but benefits in the long term. 1:10:16.479 --> 1:10:19.760 Middle aged immigrants show the opposite because they get the 1:10:19.920 --> 1:10:23.439 retirement benefits. And that's the flip that's going on here. 1:10:23.720 --> 1:10:27.120 Let me pivot to the H one visa debate that 1:10:27.400 --> 1:10:30.599 has become pretty controversial right with wanting to charge money 1:10:30.680 --> 1:10:34.280 and charging literally a small fortune to get that H 1:10:34.360 --> 1:10:36.800 one B. Some say it's essential or they say, well, 1:10:36.800 --> 1:10:41.080 we should just eliminate this thing. What is your data show, well, the. 1:10:41.240 --> 1:10:43.880 H one B regardless of what people think that based 1:10:43.920 --> 1:10:46.320 on the characteristics of the people who come on H 1:10:46.400 --> 1:10:49.320 one bs, they are the ones that pay the most 1:10:49.439 --> 1:10:52.720 taxes and receive the least government benefits of any of 1:10:52.760 --> 1:10:57.400 these categories. And so if you are a conservative and 1:10:57.520 --> 1:10:59.800 you are like like myself, I think you know what 1:11:00.120 --> 1:11:02.000 kind of the immigrant do you want to come to America? 1:11:02.080 --> 1:11:03.360 Do you want an immigrant. 1:11:02.960 --> 1:11:05.439 Who does not depend on the government, who speaks English, 1:11:05.520 --> 1:11:09.360 who have a job, who there's no coming crimes, and 1:11:09.520 --> 1:11:12.280 who you know, adopts American costumes. And if that's the case, 1:11:12.400 --> 1:11:15.040 then immigrants to commin H one with visas or any 1:11:15.160 --> 1:11:18.800 deal immigrant. That doesn't mean that it's a perfect system, right, 1:11:18.840 --> 1:11:21.800 it's a lottery, So you don't want to distribute the 1:11:21.920 --> 1:11:24.840 spots on a lottery but instead based on perhaps something 1:11:24.920 --> 1:11:29.320 more meritorious. But even then, the system is better than 1:11:29.439 --> 1:11:31.040 any other visa program that we have. 1:11:33.040 --> 1:11:35.760 On I see a lot of communities are changing because 1:11:35.760 --> 1:11:37.839 of H one B workers and they bring a tremendous 1:11:37.840 --> 1:11:40.240 amount of money to the show. Now the other side 1:11:40.280 --> 1:11:42.599 of this, and someone casual listening, go, okay, you got 1:11:42.640 --> 1:11:47.000 this guy from Manhattan, Daniel de Martine, who wants educated 1:11:47.080 --> 1:11:50.080 people with advanced degrees because they bring a small fortune 1:11:50.120 --> 1:11:53.000 and massive fortune, and even small fortune to the country 1:11:53.040 --> 1:11:55.320 could help balance the deficit and do all these wonderful things. 1:11:55.360 --> 1:11:58.160 They don't drain the system, and they're paying the taxes 1:11:58.240 --> 1:12:00.439 and that's helping older people, and that's all well and good. 1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:03.559 But does this simply mean that we don't need anyone 1:12:03.600 --> 1:12:06.240 who's not educated in America. We don't need that immigrant 1:12:06.280 --> 1:12:08.439 labor that we don't need people at the low end 1:12:08.479 --> 1:12:08.880 of the trunk. 1:12:10.479 --> 1:12:13.760 Well, America has a program called the H two A 1:12:14.080 --> 1:12:15.839 and the H TWOVVSA programs. 1:12:16.479 --> 1:12:19.240 The H two A is seasonal agricultural layer. 1:12:20.120 --> 1:12:23.000 Now, even though those are on you know, people who 1:12:23.439 --> 1:12:25.519 generally don't have a high school diploma, they're working in 1:12:25.600 --> 1:12:29.080 farms for low wages. The reality is that we didn't 1:12:29.160 --> 1:12:31.720 have them, the farms would shut down. It would be 1:12:31.800 --> 1:12:34.479 too expensive to farm in America. We would just import 1:12:34.520 --> 1:12:38.200 the food from other countries. But we cannot import everything, 1:12:38.360 --> 1:12:40.120 like we cannot import a hair card because you have 1:12:40.200 --> 1:12:43.280 to do it in person, but we can import. 1:12:43.280 --> 1:12:48.479 Every agricultural product. So the advantage is that. 1:12:48.640 --> 1:12:50.840 Yes, you keep that industry here, you create jobs for 1:12:50.920 --> 1:12:54.559 Americans and agriculture as well. And then the second it's seasonal, 1:12:54.640 --> 1:12:58.000 So these immigrants never stay. They leave after a season 1:12:58.160 --> 1:13:01.680 or two, and so they never collect government benefits. That 1:13:01.920 --> 1:13:05.160 is okay to have, well, you cannot have. It's allowing 1:13:05.280 --> 1:13:09.160 people who make very little money to immigranate permanently to 1:13:09.280 --> 1:13:12.840 the United States because if they do, the mass is 1:13:13.080 --> 1:13:15.400 that they will simply lower debt. 1:13:17.200 --> 1:13:20.040 They will I get the agriculture element because that's a 1:13:20.160 --> 1:13:22.720 national security issue. We can't farm out all of our food. 1:13:22.800 --> 1:13:25.559 We could be starved to death, right and quite honestly, 1:13:25.560 --> 1:13:28.240 it'd be a waste because of we're the world's bread 1:13:28.320 --> 1:13:30.240 basket here in the United States of America, produce lot 1:13:30.240 --> 1:13:33.160 of corn, soybeing, et cetera, et cetera. But on the 1:13:33.240 --> 1:13:35.519 regard that there's jobs that aren't in the farm fields, 1:13:35.560 --> 1:13:38.639 whatsoever that are Americans is going to fill that void. 1:13:38.640 --> 1:13:40.599 I mean working in a I don't know, a meat 1:13:40.640 --> 1:13:44.400 processing plant for example, or something along those lines. Where's 1:13:44.400 --> 1:13:48.679 physical labor building houses work, doing roof jobs, and construction 1:13:48.840 --> 1:13:52.559 and drywall and landscaping. Those are necessary jobs. It's seemingly 1:13:53.080 --> 1:13:55.880 and I know a little bit about this immigrant labor, 1:13:55.960 --> 1:13:58.360 if you completely got rid of that, it ceased to exist. 1:13:58.479 --> 1:14:00.479 I get that they you know, they live here, but 1:14:00.600 --> 1:14:02.559 they and a lot of them go and start their 1:14:02.560 --> 1:14:05.400 own business too. There's got to be a carve out 1:14:05.439 --> 1:14:07.400 for that, right because, let's face it, there are jobs 1:14:07.439 --> 1:14:10.519 out there we don't want our kids to take well. 1:14:11.080 --> 1:14:13.960 So the thing is that wages would change, even in agriculture, 1:14:14.080 --> 1:14:17.080 would change if you didn't have immigrant workers. The wages 1:14:17.120 --> 1:14:20.040 would increase. The problem is that for them cultural industry, 1:14:20.120 --> 1:14:23.000 it would just end the industry, right that we would 1:14:23.080 --> 1:14:25.240 just import the food. But that's not the case. 1:14:25.320 --> 1:14:26.559 And the same thing first for. 1:14:26.600 --> 1:14:29.720 Example tech, if we didn't have highly educated workers, what 1:14:29.920 --> 1:14:32.320 the tech industry is that they opened an office in 1:14:32.400 --> 1:14:35.280 Canada and then they do everything from there because everything's remote. 1:14:36.120 --> 1:14:38.880 So you would rather have those resources here. But the 1:14:39.000 --> 1:14:42.639 issue with other things like construction is that you would 1:14:42.680 --> 1:14:45.240 still have construction, it would just be a higher price 1:14:45.720 --> 1:14:48.400 that Even then, most of the cost of housing has 1:14:48.439 --> 1:14:51.880 nothing to do with construction and everything to do with materials, 1:14:52.280 --> 1:14:55.400 So you know, the tiers are harming or sony laws 1:14:55.520 --> 1:15:01.200 which we can change, so we don't really need or 1:15:01.240 --> 1:15:04.280 it wouldn't really be beneficial to have a lot of immigrants, 1:15:04.400 --> 1:15:06.840 low paid coming for construction because they will receive with 1:15:06.920 --> 1:15:07.799 just a lot of welfare. 1:15:08.200 --> 1:15:09.920 Alternatively, you could still. 1:15:09.800 --> 1:15:13.160 Have a guest worker program that is seasonal, ensuring that 1:15:13.200 --> 1:15:16.120 people go back and never stay permanently in collect entitlements. 1:15:17.200 --> 1:15:20.760 Daniel de Martinoz Manhattan Institute on Immigration. This morning on 1:15:20.840 --> 1:15:24.799 seven hundred WLW SO we talked about younger educated immigrants 1:15:24.840 --> 1:15:27.680 and advanced degrees a huge boonda the economy we need 1:15:27.760 --> 1:15:31.880 more of them employment based high skilled visa holders not 1:15:32.080 --> 1:15:36.559 benefit there as well. What about extended family, Yeah. 1:15:36.439 --> 1:15:39.639 The extended relatives, which are most of the immigrants coming 1:15:39.680 --> 1:15:44.800 to America. They come with very little English proficiency, you know, 1:15:45.080 --> 1:15:48.840 medium to low levels of education, and they end up 1:15:48.920 --> 1:15:52.800 receiving more government benefits than taxes they pay. This is 1:15:52.840 --> 1:15:56.280 why my proposal to how we should change the imigration 1:15:56.360 --> 1:15:59.439 system is simply we take in all these extended relative 1:15:59.520 --> 1:16:04.880 pieces and we just give them out based on whether 1:16:05.000 --> 1:16:08.519 immigrants have a good English, whether they have a good education, 1:16:08.880 --> 1:16:11.680 whether they're young, whether they have a job offer in 1:16:11.760 --> 1:16:14.920 the United States, and then that's how the labor market 1:16:15.000 --> 1:16:18.280 comes through the gap, you know, without picking winners and losers. 1:16:19.439 --> 1:16:21.960 And then the employment based business that we already have, 1:16:22.479 --> 1:16:26.040 we just rank them to the highest paid instead, without 1:16:26.240 --> 1:16:27.200 care of the profession. 1:16:27.320 --> 1:16:29.400 You know, it's not about education, it's about who pays 1:16:29.439 --> 1:16:29.760 the most. 1:16:30.040 --> 1:16:33.040 If you are sponsoring a carpenter who's like incredible and 1:16:33.120 --> 1:16:35.599 he's getting paid one hundred and fifty K, then. 1:16:35.920 --> 1:16:38.960 Bring in the carpenter, Right. That's the market showing its 1:16:39.000 --> 1:16:39.960 signals through the price. 1:16:41.080 --> 1:16:43.280 Yeah, that makes sense. When the family comes along, it's 1:16:43.320 --> 1:16:47.160 different but how many immigrants will that dissuade from coming 1:16:47.200 --> 1:16:49.639 to the United States if they can't bring their their wife, 1:16:49.720 --> 1:16:52.639 their kids, significant others, one. 1:16:52.560 --> 1:16:55.800 Of your mom or I'm not saying anything about wife 1:16:56.280 --> 1:17:00.080 and children. I'm just saying, eliminate the sibling category, the 1:17:00.160 --> 1:17:04.880 adult children category, who together they bring in one hundred 1:17:04.880 --> 1:17:07.000 and thirty one thousand people. You might say, well, now, 1:17:07.080 --> 1:17:08.760 but people want to bring in their siblings or they 1:17:08.760 --> 1:17:12.719 are adults, children, the relatives that they can't anymore anyway, 1:17:13.000 --> 1:17:16.120 because the system, the family system already existing, is so 1:17:16.320 --> 1:17:17.800 backlog that it takes twenty years. 1:17:18.160 --> 1:17:19.840 It is the same of it didn't exist. We need 1:17:19.880 --> 1:17:20.920 to get rid of it and give. 1:17:20.840 --> 1:17:23.280 It based from marriage instead. In fact, you seem more 1:17:23.439 --> 1:17:26.479 fair because if you're an imagiger living in Sao the 1:17:26.560 --> 1:17:29.200 Philippines and you don't have a relative in the US, 1:17:29.560 --> 1:17:31.680 when you're out of lack, you can't come. And no 1:17:31.800 --> 1:17:34.920 matter how educated you get, no matter how great you are, 1:17:35.720 --> 1:17:39.400 under a system based on your characteristics, you are not 1:17:39.520 --> 1:17:41.400 dependent on the law of how in a relative in 1:17:41.439 --> 1:17:44.040 America you come to a man and am of that. 1:17:44.200 --> 1:17:48.360 You mentioned the backlog, the tremendous backlog, which encourages illegal 1:17:48.400 --> 1:17:50.400 immigration here. I mean, if you have to wait twenty 1:17:50.479 --> 1:17:53.240 years fifteen twenty years for your case of here and 1:17:53.560 --> 1:17:56.400 possibly get at that point, why would you if you're 1:17:56.439 --> 1:17:59.000 coming from such an impoverished and most dangerous part of 1:17:59.040 --> 1:18:02.080 the world. I take my chances and slip across the border, 1:18:02.160 --> 1:18:04.240 fire them. It's a matter between life and death. Who's 1:18:04.320 --> 1:18:07.960 got fifteen twenty years to wait for your allowed to 1:18:08.000 --> 1:18:10.160 come to the United States of America. This would cut 1:18:10.200 --> 1:18:10.559 that down. 1:18:10.600 --> 1:18:14.040 I would think, yes, I think I would use the incentive. 1:18:14.160 --> 1:18:17.040 But at the same time, we have learned that if 1:18:17.080 --> 1:18:19.360 the president wants to, they can secure the border, and 1:18:19.840 --> 1:18:25.080 President Trump has so that's also not necessarily as important. 1:18:25.240 --> 1:18:29.200 Clearly, Yeah, we've got a government that can't function. I 1:18:29.280 --> 1:18:31.840 mean we're not functioning right now as we speak. As 1:18:31.840 --> 1:18:34.880 you know, Danielle, what's the political feasibility of this thing? 1:18:35.840 --> 1:18:38.200 You have to do some tremendous coalition building just to 1:18:38.760 --> 1:18:41.960 have someone hear this whole thing between family visa cuts 1:18:42.040 --> 1:18:45.479 and legalization with fees and deportations and all that stuff. 1:18:45.520 --> 1:18:48.680 It's a messy proposition. In reality, politics doesn't work that way. 1:18:49.560 --> 1:18:53.479 So absolutely, I'll say President Trump, with the funding that 1:18:53.640 --> 1:18:56.800 he got from the one big beautiful bill for deportations 1:18:56.840 --> 1:19:00.320 and all that's drunk enough, and hopefully, you know, soon 1:19:00.360 --> 1:19:02.639 we will know that the legality of the DAKA program 1:19:02.720 --> 1:19:05.719 from the Supreme courts. I think those two factors combined 1:19:06.080 --> 1:19:08.160 the fact that we already get done with the tax 1:19:08.280 --> 1:19:11.679 cuts and the spending debates and instead now it's probably 1:19:11.720 --> 1:19:15.479 going to go to another topic. Then that topif by 1:19:15.520 --> 1:19:18.280 the immigration. I think Trump has built leverage with the 1:19:18.360 --> 1:19:21.160 funding he got for the deportations, And if the Democrats 1:19:21.200 --> 1:19:24.040 were smart, they would come to the negotiating table, right, 1:19:24.080 --> 1:19:26.080 because you need sixty votes in the Senate to pass 1:19:26.120 --> 1:19:30.559 anything that's not budget related. So if the Democrats say, 1:19:30.680 --> 1:19:34.200 you know, we negotiate, we can legalize some people. Yes, 1:19:34.240 --> 1:19:37.240 the school will reduce family immigration, and we will bring 1:19:37.280 --> 1:19:40.640 in more high school immigrants. But if they don't negotiate, 1:19:40.800 --> 1:19:43.519 then maybe a million more people than deported. So we 1:19:43.640 --> 1:19:47.040 will know how much they really care about that very soon. 1:19:47.479 --> 1:19:49.720 Data d martinuz analyze this. You looked at ten and 1:19:49.840 --> 1:19:53.160 thirty year impacts of literally dozens of immigration policy US 1:19:53.240 --> 1:19:56.479 has had and categorizing the immigrants on tax revenue and 1:19:56.760 --> 1:20:01.080 population GDP, federal spending, and all that, if this were 1:20:01.120 --> 1:20:02.680 to come to fruition and we did it the way 1:20:02.760 --> 1:20:05.000 you suggest here, what are we looking at as far 1:20:05.040 --> 1:20:06.960 as a savings relative to the national debt? 1:20:08.080 --> 1:20:11.240 Yeah, so under my plan, which would just shift immigrant 1:20:11.320 --> 1:20:14.240 visas to ors more highly educated categories with a change 1:20:14.320 --> 1:20:16.920 nammaging to flow very much, actually reducing it a little bit, 1:20:17.400 --> 1:20:20.760 and then legalizing the people who are here legally as 1:20:20.800 --> 1:20:23.479 long as they pay without a fiveway to citizenship, but 1:20:23.600 --> 1:20:25.600 allowing them to work in state as long as they 1:20:25.680 --> 1:20:28.280 pay five thousand dollars a year for ten years of 1:20:28.360 --> 1:20:32.200 fifty k to reduce the debt, and they obviously they. 1:20:32.120 --> 1:20:32.839 Are not criminals. 1:20:32.920 --> 1:20:38.000 All that that will reduce the national debt from its 1:20:38.040 --> 1:20:41.080 current prijec story by twenty trillion dollars. 1:20:41.360 --> 1:20:42.559 Over thirty years. 1:20:43.200 --> 1:20:46.560 It will reduce or essentially over the long run, it 1:20:46.600 --> 1:20:50.719 would even stabilize or debt to gdpuration. That is important 1:20:50.760 --> 1:20:53.679 because it means we don't to cut. 1:20:53.600 --> 1:20:58.360 Some security or raise access. We pursue radical immigration reform 1:20:58.479 --> 1:20:58.800 right now. 1:20:59.080 --> 1:21:01.960 Yeah. And the other element here too, of course, is 1:21:02.040 --> 1:21:05.280 unauthorized legal immigrants. But you're saying charging five thousand dollars 1:21:05.320 --> 1:21:07.920 a year for X number of years, and that would 1:21:07.920 --> 1:21:10.600 reduce the debt and they're burden on the system. But 1:21:10.720 --> 1:21:13.160 how realistic is that to actually. 1:21:12.960 --> 1:21:15.400 Execute the people who don't pay it. 1:21:15.560 --> 1:21:18.479 Then they are the sign targets for deportation because it 1:21:18.560 --> 1:21:20.799 means that they're not willing to pay it under stewer 1:21:20.880 --> 1:21:22.559 of them, so they're much easier to report. 1:21:24.160 --> 1:21:27.280 Very interesting, and that literally would take her. It's of course, 1:21:27.320 --> 1:21:29.000 you know, then we're back to the political question because 1:21:29.040 --> 1:21:31.720 Democrats had scream about fairness and these people don't have 1:21:31.800 --> 1:21:33.840 much already and they can't afford five thousand dollars and 1:21:34.040 --> 1:21:35.840 to shake down. But you know, at the end of 1:21:35.840 --> 1:21:36.960 the day, we're all paying for this. 1:21:37.880 --> 1:21:38.679 Daniel de Martine. 1:21:39.000 --> 1:21:43.679 Yeah, America should not supposed to be the welfare state 1:21:43.720 --> 1:21:44.200 of the world. 1:21:44.520 --> 1:21:46.760 Right if you do not sustand yourself, I'm paid it 1:21:47.040 --> 1:21:48.080 after you broke the law. 1:21:48.400 --> 1:21:50.920 It seems like a really reasonable penalty that would benefit 1:21:51.000 --> 1:21:51.280 the nation. 1:21:51.640 --> 1:21:53.760 Seems like five grand to make this go away. Isn't 1:21:53.800 --> 1:21:56.439 that big an ask? I'll be honest with you, Daniel 1:21:56.479 --> 1:21:58.519 de Martino at the Manhattan Institute, thanks so much to 1:21:58.560 --> 1:22:01.680 the time. Really interesting, thank you. Yeah, I mean the 1:22:01.920 --> 1:22:04.960 program makes sense, but then you're gonna have the fields right, Well, 1:22:05.000 --> 1:22:07.000 you can't, you can't, Chary, you can't these people already, 1:22:07.040 --> 1:22:08.840 Oh my god, somebody's got to stand up for the 1:22:09.120 --> 1:22:11.040 And then, of course, you know, the thing stagnate, it 1:22:11.080 --> 1:22:14.200 gets water down, and what sounds like a pretty decent 1:22:14.280 --> 1:22:17.519 plan winds up while costing his money. That's the way 1:22:17.560 --> 1:22:20.280 government works. Scott's Loan Show with news in four minutes 1:22:20.320 --> 1:22:24.040 here seven hundred WLW Radio. But embarrassing a game you 1:22:24.160 --> 1:22:26.880 had well in hand against the winless team at pay 1:22:26.920 --> 1:22:31.960 Courts Stadium bends up thirty one sixteen and can't put 1:22:32.000 --> 1:22:34.560 it away, gave up what twenty three twenty in the 1:22:34.600 --> 1:22:36.960 fourth quarter thirty nine points to A guy was benched 1:22:36.960 --> 1:22:41.000 by the worst team in football, justin Fields twenty one 1:22:41.479 --> 1:22:44.000 thirty two, two hundred and forty four yards a TD 1:22:44.360 --> 1:22:47.320 and no interceptions and coming off two games, by the way, 1:22:47.640 --> 1:22:50.800 with a quarterback rating under sixty, so bad that his 1:22:50.920 --> 1:22:54.160 owner demanded him to be benched, and he was until 1:22:54.240 --> 1:22:56.599 Tyrod Taylor got hurt. And now you've got Justin fieldsen 1:22:56.680 --> 1:23:00.280 Now he looks like every bit the guy that thought 1:23:00.320 --> 1:23:02.400 he was when they got him. No Garrett Wilson, no 1:23:02.600 --> 1:23:07.320 Josh Reynolds, one guy essentially on offense running the football, 1:23:07.720 --> 1:23:11.799 beat the Bengals yesterday thirty nine, thirty eight. The Bengals 1:23:11.840 --> 1:23:14.680 fall to three and five with Chicago on the schedule next. 1:23:14.800 --> 1:23:17.559 James or Penis here from SIS Bengals Talk dot com 1:23:17.720 --> 1:23:21.000 and the Daily Lockdown Bengals podcast. James, your head has 1:23:21.040 --> 1:23:22.120 to be reeling this morning. 1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:30.160 Yeah, it's it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable, Scott, and I still 1:23:30.520 --> 1:23:33.880 even now what it at sixteen hours or whatever it 1:23:34.000 --> 1:23:38.560 is removed. I cannot believe they lost that game. And 1:23:38.680 --> 1:23:41.760 they had a fifteen point lead in the fourth quarter, 1:23:41.880 --> 1:23:44.799 a fourteen point lead in the fourth quarter, five different 1:23:44.920 --> 1:23:47.800 times they had a double digit lead in that game. 1:23:48.560 --> 1:23:50.840 And yet we are talking about a three and five 1:23:51.040 --> 1:23:54.120 team and a one in five team without Joe Burrow. 1:23:54.600 --> 1:23:57.280 I remember when the Bengals back in twenty eighteen, they 1:23:57.360 --> 1:24:00.320 lost like fifty one fourteen to the Saints, and they 1:24:00.400 --> 1:24:03.040 got last time they got smoked in twenty ten by 1:24:03.040 --> 1:24:06.240 the Jets was thirty seven nothing. I thought, okay, that 1:24:06.400 --> 1:24:09.400 forty seven to ten loss against Minnesota just a couple 1:24:09.439 --> 1:24:12.880 of weeks ago, I thought that is that this is 1:24:13.040 --> 1:24:15.559 up there with one of the worst in Bengals sister. 1:24:15.560 --> 1:24:17.519 I mean, think about this from a team that said 1:24:17.640 --> 1:24:21.120 really really really low lows. Where in your mind, James 1:24:21.160 --> 1:24:22.719 Rapene does this lost rank yesterday? 1:24:23.560 --> 1:24:30.519 Well, this could very well end up being the worst 1:24:30.600 --> 1:24:33.840 loss of the Zach Taylor era outside of you know, 1:24:34.000 --> 1:24:36.840 the Super Bowl from a meaning standpoint, but when this 1:24:37.040 --> 1:24:41.559 could do to this season and what would have happened 1:24:41.600 --> 1:24:43.720 if they had won it versus what they could go 1:24:43.880 --> 1:24:46.160 down in the past, they could go down now like 1:24:46.320 --> 1:24:49.000 this is this is one of those games where you're like, oh, well, 1:24:49.040 --> 1:24:51.719 I wonder, I wonder what the twenty twenty five Bengals 1:24:51.720 --> 1:24:53.519 would be like if they had won that game against 1:24:53.560 --> 1:24:55.880 the Tests, right, and instead they go on to win 1:24:56.040 --> 1:24:59.400 four games total, and they win one more game the 1:24:59.439 --> 1:25:01.080 rest of the way. Like I'm not saying that's going 1:25:01.160 --> 1:25:04.960 to happen, and I think there's enough talent, certainly on offense, 1:25:05.600 --> 1:25:08.880 but like, that's how it feels today, That's how it 1:25:09.040 --> 1:25:13.679 felt after the games and Jamar Chase is saying, ask Zach, 1:25:13.840 --> 1:25:16.160 and that's a question for Zach, and it just it 1:25:16.320 --> 1:25:18.560 felt like that was a big, big moment. So I 1:25:18.640 --> 1:25:23.200 think historically at a huge game huge loss because of 1:25:23.280 --> 1:25:24.559 what it could mean moving forward. 1:25:25.080 --> 1:25:27.120 Yeah, you mentioned the Super Bowl lost the Rams, but 1:25:27.240 --> 1:25:29.160 that was the blanket. I'm literally a quarter of a 1:25:29.240 --> 1:25:31.639 second he completes the ball, and it's a different story. 1:25:31.640 --> 1:25:34.280 The Bengals win the Super Bowl. We're that close. Bengals 1:25:34.320 --> 1:25:36.760 are that close. This is the exact opposite that. This 1:25:37.280 --> 1:25:40.960 was what a demoralizing defeat to come back to put 1:25:41.000 --> 1:25:43.040 it up by that much and then lose the lead 1:25:43.160 --> 1:25:45.120 so many times and then at the end get beat 1:25:45.240 --> 1:25:48.559 essentially on a half back pass. Who's this on? Who 1:25:48.600 --> 1:25:51.200 do you blame? Oh? 1:25:51.840 --> 1:25:55.639 Yeah, that that is going to be something. There's layers 1:25:55.680 --> 1:25:58.800 to it, and you know, you can certainly start with 1:25:58.880 --> 1:26:02.040 the front office, but thinking that they should run it 1:26:02.120 --> 1:26:05.560 back with the defense that's been as bad as the 1:26:05.720 --> 1:26:08.800 defense was last year, and so for them to run 1:26:08.880 --> 1:26:13.240 it back and do basically what they did is they 1:26:13.520 --> 1:26:16.120 changed a few of the coaches, obviously defensive coordinator out 1:26:16.120 --> 1:26:19.600 of Golden and then they said, oh, well, you know, 1:26:19.840 --> 1:26:22.760 we'll get a nose tackle in here. What they needed 1:26:22.960 --> 1:26:26.040 one and that's going to fix it. Well it didn't 1:26:26.080 --> 1:26:28.360 fix it. In fact, it's worse. This is the worst 1:26:28.400 --> 1:26:31.519 base fin They are dead last in points per game 1:26:31.720 --> 1:26:34.439 nearly thirty two points per game given up, dead last, 1:26:34.520 --> 1:26:37.360 and rushing yards per game, dead last in yards per game, 1:26:37.520 --> 1:26:41.440 third last, and passing yards per game. You see are 1:26:41.800 --> 1:26:45.559 like they stick. Their defensive line has had a sack 1:26:45.800 --> 1:26:49.479 since Week five. Their last sack came in week six 1:26:50.240 --> 1:26:53.599 when Gino Stone, a safety, had a sack on Jordan 1:26:53.680 --> 1:26:58.760 Love in Green Bay. This defense stinks, and so it 1:26:58.840 --> 1:27:00.960 starts with the front office. But it isn't just there. 1:27:01.040 --> 1:27:04.040 Zach Taylor picked out Golden Al. Golden's not getting it done. 1:27:04.640 --> 1:27:07.160 Zack Taylor's the head coach. So I always resort back 1:27:07.200 --> 1:27:08.720 to that. I try to remind people he's not just 1:27:08.800 --> 1:27:12.880 the offensive side, right, He's the head coach. And so no, 1:27:13.040 --> 1:27:15.720 I think there's plenty of blame to go around. It 1:27:15.800 --> 1:27:18.200 starts at the top. It certainly trickles down to the 1:27:18.280 --> 1:27:19.400 coaching staff as well. 1:27:19.400 --> 1:27:21.519 When the coaches. Someone's got to step up and make 1:27:21.560 --> 1:27:23.599 a play. Someone's got to step up and make a play. 1:27:23.680 --> 1:27:26.520 The lack of playmakers, that's on Duke Tobin. 1:27:28.000 --> 1:27:32.840 Sure, no doubt in that is with without a doubt 1:27:32.920 --> 1:27:36.600 this defense. No one can debate it. Nobody. They do 1:27:36.720 --> 1:27:40.519 not have enough playmakers, and and we saw that yesterday. 1:27:40.720 --> 1:27:44.040 And by playmakers, I can also just break that down 1:27:44.080 --> 1:27:47.280 to guys who can tackle, Guys who can run and 1:27:47.400 --> 1:27:50.920 hie off of the block and a basic play can't tackle. 1:27:51.400 --> 1:27:53.240 Well, how do you look so good against Pittsburgh and 1:27:53.280 --> 1:27:54.200 then lay this egg? 1:27:56.000 --> 1:28:01.439 Well they didn't. That's what's that's what's so concerning. This 1:28:01.560 --> 1:28:04.840 isn't one bad quarter. Yeah, this was a defense that 1:28:04.920 --> 1:28:08.400 tried to give away that Pittsburg game and they let 1:28:08.479 --> 1:28:11.519 Pat fryer Muth get open and give up a sixty 1:28:11.520 --> 1:28:15.840 eight yard touchdown and lose the league, bumble the lead away. 1:28:16.479 --> 1:28:18.560 And yeah, they forced a couple of turnovers. And I 1:28:18.640 --> 1:28:22.439 get that that's great, but you need to be able 1:28:22.439 --> 1:28:25.280 to get off the field. And when you're up fourteen 1:28:26.360 --> 1:28:29.519 with and I tweeted this playout last night, when you're 1:28:29.560 --> 1:28:31.920 up fourteen thirty eight twenty four, eight minutes to go 1:28:33.040 --> 1:28:36.800 and the Jets are still comfortable running the ball, Like 1:28:36.920 --> 1:28:39.960 that's that's the biggest advice. Like that's so insulting, right, 1:28:40.120 --> 1:28:42.479 Like so insulting, Like you never see that across the league. 1:28:42.479 --> 1:28:44.559 I watched a ton of NFL football. If you're done 1:28:44.560 --> 1:28:46.560 two scores in the fourth quarter very rarely. You're not 1:28:46.680 --> 1:28:50.240 running the ballun you're not running ball in there running 1:28:50.439 --> 1:28:50.800 like crazy. 1:28:50.880 --> 1:28:52.920 Yeah, but but that is the only weapon. I mean, 1:28:52.960 --> 1:28:55.640 look at the injuries that the love the oh and 1:28:55.760 --> 1:28:58.479 seven New York Jets came in and everybody was hurt. 1:28:58.520 --> 1:28:59.519 We thought, oh, this is gonna be a good to 1:28:59.560 --> 1:29:02.840 see Sauce Gardner homecoming weekend at you see see how 1:29:02.880 --> 1:29:05.040 he matches up against Chase and that'd be kind of fun, 1:29:05.200 --> 1:29:08.000 right because he shut him down last time. Maybe some revenge. 1:29:08.280 --> 1:29:11.599 Now he's out, Your top two, your receivers are Garrett 1:29:11.720 --> 1:29:16.080 Wilson's out. Everyone in the building knew and everyone watching 1:29:16.160 --> 1:29:18.920 it new that Brees Hall was the only weapon they had. 1:29:18.960 --> 1:29:21.800 The only threat you had was Breese Hall. How did 1:29:21.840 --> 1:29:23.560 he at one hundred and thirty three yards and what 1:29:23.680 --> 1:29:25.640 two touchdowns? And of course you're the game winner? How 1:29:25.800 --> 1:29:26.639 is that possible? 1:29:27.920 --> 1:29:30.800 And that's where I looked at the coaching because if 1:29:30.880 --> 1:29:34.479 you pay attention to and I posted all the postgame comments, 1:29:34.560 --> 1:29:37.640 but like Jamar Chase on the final drive when the 1:29:37.680 --> 1:29:39.639 Bengals are down and if they gotta have a moment, 1:29:39.680 --> 1:29:41.479 he's like, yeah, they ran double double on me and 1:29:41.560 --> 1:29:45.920 t because why they didn't want Jamar and Key to 1:29:46.000 --> 1:29:48.040 beat them, so they double team both of those guys. 1:29:48.760 --> 1:29:51.000 If you know Breese Hall is the only dude that 1:29:51.080 --> 1:29:55.360 can beat you realistically, is that there some way coaching 1:29:55.479 --> 1:29:57.720 wise you can make sure he does not beat you. 1:29:58.439 --> 1:30:01.000 And he did over and over and over again in 1:30:01.040 --> 1:30:04.679 the fourth quarter, when again they were so comfortable running 1:30:04.720 --> 1:30:07.519 the ball and getting explosive runs and trunk plays on 1:30:07.680 --> 1:30:10.040 the ground that they were running the ball late in 1:30:10.120 --> 1:30:11.439 this game down two scores. 1:30:11.920 --> 1:30:14.479 Back to the play calling Taylor and his Marvin S 1:30:14.600 --> 1:30:16.719 clock management. I don't know what he was doing midfield, 1:30:17.080 --> 1:30:19.320 and it runs it with forty two seconds left, one 1:30:19.400 --> 1:30:21.680 yard gain on a running play when you're trying to 1:30:21.720 --> 1:30:24.799 score and then you're trying to hit Andrey Josavas twice 1:30:25.280 --> 1:30:28.000 with the game on the line. You're completely a coach there. 1:30:28.040 --> 1:30:30.360 What would you look at that and go that's hip, 1:30:30.439 --> 1:30:31.200 that's bush league. 1:30:31.520 --> 1:30:35.240 Well, this is where coaching slash the offense comes in, 1:30:35.400 --> 1:30:38.160 because as bad as the defense was, yeah, you're right, 1:30:38.360 --> 1:30:42.080 the offense still could have done it back. We could 1:30:42.120 --> 1:30:44.000 have been talking about a four and fourteen that needs 1:30:44.000 --> 1:30:45.720 to figure out the defense. But hey, they went too 1:30:45.760 --> 1:30:48.600 straight and so games on the line. You get a 1:30:48.680 --> 1:30:52.200 first down by hanging it off to Chase Brown and 1:30:52.360 --> 1:30:54.080 so all right, you're at the forty five yard line. 1:30:54.400 --> 1:30:56.800 I like the first down play to Andrey Yosavash. It 1:30:56.920 --> 1:30:59.960 was a it was a steam ball. It's really tough catch. 1:31:00.080 --> 1:31:01.680 He didn't catch it clean and then he gets hit. 1:31:02.080 --> 1:31:04.360 But like, I like the idea of it, because if 1:31:04.400 --> 1:31:07.200 that ball is complete, your infield goal range boom right 1:31:07.200 --> 1:31:10.280 away second bound. And this is where it falls apart 1:31:10.880 --> 1:31:13.400 is you run it with p rhyme, don't get it, 1:31:13.560 --> 1:31:15.599 have to call it time out. Now it's third and long. 1:31:15.760 --> 1:31:17.479 Guess what the whole world knows you're going to throw 1:31:17.560 --> 1:31:20.160 it yep, and it makes it makes it much much tougher. 1:31:20.400 --> 1:31:23.400 Joe Blacker has to throw it away. Fourth down. Guess 1:31:23.439 --> 1:31:25.400 what they do. They take away the bengals two best 1:31:25.400 --> 1:31:27.519 players by double teaming them, and then you have to 1:31:27.560 --> 1:31:30.479 go to andre Josabash and so yeah, I totally get that. 1:31:30.680 --> 1:31:33.559 So the second down run is a huge play. 1:31:34.200 --> 1:31:36.120 And then then on the drive fire they had to 1:31:36.240 --> 1:31:39.040 punt give the ball back to the Jets and they're 1:31:39.080 --> 1:31:42.840 only up six. The fact that you don't run it, 1:31:43.200 --> 1:31:46.200 the fact that you're just passing on that drive and 1:31:46.320 --> 1:31:49.600 you go three and out. That's another area. So like 1:31:49.680 --> 1:31:52.760 when things started to get tight, the Bengals got tight 1:31:52.840 --> 1:31:54.960 on offense, they needed to get one more score and 1:31:55.040 --> 1:31:56.680 at that point, you know it, you know you're going 1:31:56.760 --> 1:31:59.519 to have to score one more time, and they didn't. 1:32:00.200 --> 1:32:04.360 And so yeah, I do think that the defense is 1:32:04.400 --> 1:32:06.240 going to take a ton of blame, and rightfully so. 1:32:06.400 --> 1:32:08.800 We spent plenty of time talking about the defense, but 1:32:08.960 --> 1:32:12.160 this offense and Zach Taylor, they should have could have 1:32:12.840 --> 1:32:15.400 and didn't deliver with the game on the line on 1:32:15.479 --> 1:32:17.200 those final two drives as good as they were all 1:32:17.280 --> 1:32:19.400 day long. And I did it thirty eight points five, 1:32:20.040 --> 1:32:21.840 but forty one is what it took to win the game, 1:32:22.520 --> 1:32:23.960 and they needed to go get a field goal and 1:32:24.000 --> 1:32:24.840 they didn't do it right. 1:32:24.920 --> 1:32:26.599 And it's not the tail and it's the play calling. 1:32:26.680 --> 1:32:30.320 This questionable, But above that is the defensive coaching. You 1:32:30.400 --> 1:32:32.920 know what's shanged with Al Golden replacing lou An Aaruma. 1:32:33.120 --> 1:32:35.360 They gave up over five hundred yards total offense to 1:32:35.360 --> 1:32:38.720 the freaking Jets. Jets haven't had that much offense and 1:32:38.840 --> 1:32:40.879 like flat well since the last time they played the Bengals. 1:32:40.920 --> 1:32:44.760 I think eleven sacks Bengals in the cellar the league. 1:32:44.760 --> 1:32:44.880 There. 1:32:44.920 --> 1:32:46.840 They can't rush the pass, they can't stop the run. 1:32:48.280 --> 1:32:50.840 And this is what a bad Jets team, made worse 1:32:50.880 --> 1:32:54.080 by the fact that all their quote unquote stars were 1:32:54.120 --> 1:32:56.800 pretty much out except for Briest Hall, who killed you. 1:32:57.520 --> 1:33:00.240 And so I look at that and go, defensively, we 1:33:00.320 --> 1:33:02.760 got al Golden, they're great. Lou Anarumo seems to be 1:33:02.840 --> 1:33:06.320 doing a k and Indy, yeah he does. 1:33:06.640 --> 1:33:12.160 And that's that was what Lou was frustrated with. Like, 1:33:12.280 --> 1:33:14.760 he was frustrated with the lack of talent, right yep. 1:33:15.120 --> 1:33:17.240 And and the Bengals said, well, we've given you. 1:33:17.240 --> 1:33:17.760 A lot of talent. 1:33:17.800 --> 1:33:20.800 We've invested all these draft picks and and that's where 1:33:20.840 --> 1:33:26.000 the disconnects was. And I think, one, you better get 1:33:26.040 --> 1:33:28.880 better at drafting too. I do think Lou was wrong 1:33:28.960 --> 1:33:31.479 in the tooth here and there were some things that 1:33:31.600 --> 1:33:34.400 needed to change, so like, but clearly it wasn't just 1:33:35.760 --> 1:33:38.120 literally Lou wasn't just a bad man and way off 1:33:38.160 --> 1:33:40.840 his rocker and wrong and you know, and that's what 1:33:40.960 --> 1:33:44.560 we're seeing, and that's that's what I think is it 1:33:44.640 --> 1:33:47.360 could be such a why this could be such a 1:33:48.680 --> 1:33:52.200 era defining not just season defining, era defining loss, because 1:33:52.560 --> 1:33:55.080 it feels like if we if we look up a 1:33:55.120 --> 1:33:56.840 few months from now, when we're talking about a new 1:33:56.920 --> 1:33:59.720 coaching staff and changes to the front office and all 1:33:59.760 --> 1:34:03.080 these that could come, well, guess what you're going to 1:34:03.120 --> 1:34:05.400 point to that Judge game where if they win their 1:34:05.439 --> 1:34:07.840 four and four their half game back in the North 1:34:07.880 --> 1:34:11.360 because the Packers shamble business last night. What a missed 1:34:11.360 --> 1:34:15.040 opportunity by this Bengals team to not get back to 1:34:15.160 --> 1:34:18.320 five hundred and be right there in the division and 1:34:18.439 --> 1:34:20.840 instead you you fumble it away. 1:34:20.960 --> 1:34:22.640 You know, Pittty, You look at Pittsburgh. Man, it's a 1:34:22.680 --> 1:34:24.120 game that probably should liten. They want to put in 1:34:24.200 --> 1:34:27.160 that game. Everybody feels good. No one said, oh, you know, 1:34:27.240 --> 1:34:29.559 the Jets are going to come in and beat the Bess. 1:34:29.600 --> 1:34:31.720 I thought, you know, going in and like, hey watch 1:34:31.760 --> 1:34:34.559 out and seventeams man, oh, seven teams. Oh, in any 1:34:34.600 --> 1:34:37.599 team right in any league. They're a dangerous team. They'll 1:34:37.640 --> 1:34:39.960 do anything to win. But then you saw the injuris, 1:34:39.960 --> 1:34:42.439 like there's no way, there's no way they can pull 1:34:42.479 --> 1:34:45.559 off this win. And yet they did and as much 1:34:45.560 --> 1:34:47.800 as you talk about Okay, well Luina Roumo long in 1:34:47.840 --> 1:34:50.360 the tooth, put Al Golden in their new systems. It's 1:34:50.479 --> 1:34:51.960 the talent that they're getting, you know what I mean. 1:34:52.320 --> 1:34:55.160 Miles Murphy Shamar Stewart aren't getting the Bengals enough production 1:34:55.720 --> 1:34:59.439 in the investment they made. Let's face it, Miles Murphy's 1:34:59.439 --> 1:35:01.880 not exactly tearing the house down here. Stuart Okay, he 1:35:02.000 --> 1:35:03.760 sat out miss four games of the ankle. I get 1:35:03.800 --> 1:35:07.400 that he was non existent. CTV Logan will sing good 1:35:07.479 --> 1:35:08.880 run on the list all the guys that they brought 1:35:08.960 --> 1:35:11.120 back too, and said, Okay, we're just gonna stand pat here. 1:35:11.960 --> 1:35:15.240 Look what's happening. That's that's above El Golden, that's above 1:35:15.600 --> 1:35:16.200 Zach Taylor. 1:35:17.880 --> 1:35:19.920 Sure, there's no doubt. 1:35:20.240 --> 1:35:21.200 And I think. 1:35:22.720 --> 1:35:27.599 That's why when they during free agency, because I'm really known, 1:35:27.840 --> 1:35:30.920 like there's not there's not someone in Cincinnati media that 1:35:31.040 --> 1:35:34.280 pushes for free agents and veterans more than me. I'm 1:35:34.320 --> 1:35:36.439 really loud about it because I want them to do it. 1:35:36.800 --> 1:35:38.519 And so guess what I've been loud about. I've been 1:35:38.520 --> 1:35:40.080 loud about it since I've worked with Mo every day 1:35:40.240 --> 1:35:43.080 down right right. I just I want them to make 1:35:43.160 --> 1:35:45.160 moves because guess what, that's what wins in the NFL 1:35:45.200 --> 1:35:47.160 in twenty twenty five. You gotta beograss, you gotta go 1:35:47.240 --> 1:35:49.360 gate guys, you just do. And they didn't. 1:35:49.560 --> 1:35:50.200 They're big. 1:35:50.600 --> 1:35:53.240 Their big move this offseason was getting Jamar and t 1:35:53.400 --> 1:35:55.720 done during free agency when they could be talking to 1:35:55.800 --> 1:35:57.000 these other guys right and. 1:35:57.040 --> 1:36:00.600 Bold and drag that whole thing out. And it's just 1:36:00.800 --> 1:36:01.200 and Trey. 1:36:02.680 --> 1:36:05.760 That's it. Yeah, I mean, it's just all of those 1:36:05.800 --> 1:36:08.760 that can wait till after mid March when you need 1:36:08.840 --> 1:36:11.720 to be focused on bringing an outside talent that can 1:36:11.800 --> 1:36:14.360 stop the run and tackle and do all of the things, 1:36:14.479 --> 1:36:16.240 the basic things that you need to do as an 1:36:16.320 --> 1:36:19.280 NFL football player that happens to play on defense. And 1:36:19.400 --> 1:36:23.600 so that's where that's where it started. And then it 1:36:23.680 --> 1:36:25.680 was like, oh, well, maybe the scheme will work, and 1:36:25.720 --> 1:36:27.280 some of these rookies will work and some of these 1:36:27.320 --> 1:36:29.160 young players will play better and all those things. 1:36:30.120 --> 1:36:31.360 It just has not. 1:36:31.760 --> 1:36:33.960 It has not worked. I mean, I agree with you. 1:36:34.080 --> 1:36:36.839 How does Schamar Stewart not have a quarterback hit yesterday 1:36:37.320 --> 1:36:39.680 against you know, like you need him to be that 1:36:39.880 --> 1:36:41.600 guy and he just hasn't been. 1:36:41.680 --> 1:36:43.839 That is that coaching, Is it bad drafting? 1:36:44.000 --> 1:36:44.320 Is it not? 1:36:44.920 --> 1:36:47.120 I think that that's all should be on the table. 1:36:48.000 --> 1:36:50.639 And I'll mention too, they're one superstar and Trey Hendrickson 1:36:50.760 --> 1:36:52.400 he got that light bio as a cheap shots? What 1:36:52.560 --> 1:36:55.519 have looked like to me? The way he left off 1:36:55.560 --> 1:36:57.559 that field with that hit again, I don't know when 1:36:57.600 --> 1:36:58.840 he's coming back. I really don't. 1:36:59.720 --> 1:37:02.280 Yeah, I mean I agree it would be a cheap shot, 1:37:02.400 --> 1:37:06.599 borderline dirty, you might call it thirty and and yeah, 1:37:07.000 --> 1:37:08.960 now where is your past run? Where is it coming from? 1:37:09.040 --> 1:37:12.160 Shamar Stewart. We knew he was a raw prospect, but 1:37:12.640 --> 1:37:14.240 you need it, you got to have it now, and 1:37:14.280 --> 1:37:14.880 they didn't get it. 1:37:14.920 --> 1:37:16.800 And the Bears are better than the Jet Jets, that's 1:37:16.840 --> 1:37:18.200 for sure. And they're coming to town Sunday. 1:37:19.160 --> 1:37:22.839 Everyone's better than the Jets. That Jets teams still terrible. 1:37:23.000 --> 1:37:25.680 That Jets teams stinks. So for them to lose to that, 1:37:25.880 --> 1:37:29.559 I mean, it's just there's we're not going to look 1:37:29.640 --> 1:37:31.080 back at in five week. Should be like, oh, we 1:37:31.400 --> 1:37:34.640 see you. The Judts were good. No they're not, No, no, no, no, 1:37:35.080 --> 1:37:35.599 just terrible. 1:37:36.040 --> 1:37:39.679 James Rapeene with Bengals Talk dot Com locked on Bengals podcast. 1:37:39.800 --> 1:37:42.000 He should be doing two podcasts four podcasts today with 1:37:42.040 --> 1:37:44.000 all this material. But I won't tell you how to 1:37:44.080 --> 1:37:46.479 you do your job, James, with somebody to tell the Bengals, 1:37:46.520 --> 1:37:49.439 the defense how to do their job, to do their job. 1:37:49.600 --> 1:37:52.040 I understand that the Bengals defense was in charge of 1:37:52.160 --> 1:37:56.000 the Marty Brenman statue guarding it the night the microphone 1:37:56.040 --> 1:37:58.840 got stolen. So I don't know what the hell to 1:37:58.880 --> 1:38:01.479 make of anything in this town with our sports teams. 1:38:01.520 --> 1:38:04.280 I really really don't. The Bengals were just got awful yesterday. 1:38:04.320 --> 1:38:06.400 There's no excuse for it, and I've been around long 1:38:06.479 --> 1:38:08.439 enough to know it's not gonna change anytime soon. James, 1:38:08.479 --> 1:38:09.479 all the best, Budd appreciate it. 1:38:10.560 --> 1:38:12.559 I heard they tried to tackle the guy who took 1:38:12.600 --> 1:38:14.439 the mic. They got away. 1:38:14.960 --> 1:38:17.839 He got away right in the end zone. Well the microphone, 1:38:17.840 --> 1:38:19.160 see it, Budd, appreciate it. Got to get to a 1:38:19.240 --> 1:38:22.040 news update here, Cunningham on the way afterwards. Here Home 1:38:22.080 --> 1:38:24.280 The best Bengals coverage or the worst Bengals coverage seven 1:38:24.360 --> 1:38:24.760 hundred w