Speaker 1: I'm as sick as you are. Bengals lose yesterday. We'll
Speaker 1: get into that later on this morning on the Scott's
Speaker 1: Flown Show on seven hundred WODA. But in the meantime
Speaker 1: we know religion and politics that the line has been blurred.
Speaker 1: It used to be two things you don't talk about,
Speaker 1: religion and politics. Then we started talking about it, and
Speaker 1: now those two things have come together and the line
Speaker 1: is blurred. And when that happens, you tend to not
Speaker 1: question the people who are doing the bidding for you.
Speaker 1: And you went up with the crisis and government that
Speaker 1: we have not solely because of religion and politics and
Speaker 1: all that. I'm not saying that at all, but it
Speaker 1: certainly allows more will room and more cover to do
Speaker 1: what you want, even though it may be in your
Speaker 1: worst interest. Pat Hurley is an expert in logic and
Speaker 1: word intersects with religion and how it's averted by authority.
Speaker 1: Doctor Hurley, good morning, How are.
Speaker 2: You very good?
Speaker 3: Scott?
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 1: You know, having gone to school and I here have
Speaker 1: friends again. I'm taking logic this semester and everyone got
Speaker 1: a bad grade in logic because it seemed like it
Speaker 1: was Oh, this should be a pretty good course. You know,
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting and it's really hard. Why is that
Speaker 1: logic seems like it should be rather easy.
Speaker 4: Well, logic really involves something. You know, a lot of
Speaker 4: college courts these days you all to sit back, take
Speaker 4: it easy, but you actually have to learn something, you know,
Speaker 4: sign up for a logic for it. There's a genuine
Speaker 4: material there.
Speaker 2: You know. You can't just.
Speaker 1: Simply well, maybe I just had to surround myself with
Speaker 1: dumb friends. I'm guilty. Uh. The thing is, today especially
Speaker 1: people believe things merely because they want to believe them.
Speaker 1: We put all our prejudice, We have all those prejudices
Speaker 1: in our mind because we can't put that aside and
Speaker 1: go okay, let's let me think about this from a
Speaker 1: factual standpoint, and we have we lost our ability to
Speaker 1: do that. Or maybe this is me being old, doctor Hurley,
Speaker 1: is that maybe we were just never good at it
Speaker 1: to begin with, what's the truth?
Speaker 4: Well, it is something that you have to commit yourself too,
Speaker 4: and going back to what you start, what you said
Speaker 4: at the beginning. I do think that there is a
Speaker 4: decline and critical thinking nowadays, and I think this is
Speaker 4: suggested by at least two things. One is the growth
Speaker 4: of these unfounded conspiracy theories. They seem to be coming
Speaker 4: out of the woodwork and to the person who believes them,
Speaker 4: and they look like beautiful structures, you know, gorgeous castles,
Speaker 4: but the castles in the air, and they're not supported
Speaker 4: by anything. And then the second thing I think is,
Speaker 4: as you said, people seem to believe anything they want
Speaker 4: these days. They believe anything they read on the internet,
Speaker 4: anything they hear on TV. And I think the problem
Speaker 4: in both cases is a lack of evidence. There's no
Speaker 4: evidence to support these things.
Speaker 2: So what's worse.
Speaker 4: People think that evans is not necessary. I just believe
Speaker 4: anything that you want. But critical thinking means supporting your
Speaker 4: views and beliefs with evidence. And you might wonder, you know,
Speaker 4: what is the cause of this? Well, they have many causes,
Speaker 4: you know, lack of familiar familiarity with logic, pef I
Speaker 4: picked up what you cook and steady they've sometimes.
Speaker 2: But I think.
Speaker 4: Religion plays a role in this. Religion blade plays a
Speaker 4: big role in practically everything when many people think and believe.
Speaker 1: And I know it's kind of different things, but I
Speaker 1: think you can be you know, scientific and critical, but
Speaker 1: also be a firm believer in God. Those two things
Speaker 1: are mutually exclusive, are they?
Speaker 4: I think he can for the couples a lot of
Speaker 4: people who are not doing it. You may recall that
Speaker 4: story of the doubting Thomas from the Gospel of Jonas
Speaker 4: trained as a Christian anyway, and the way the story went,
Speaker 4: the apostle Thomas was present with the other apostles and
Speaker 4: who were telling.
Speaker 2: The story that Jesus had risen from the dead.
Speaker 4: And Thomas said, no, I'm not going to believe it
Speaker 4: until I put my fingers into the wounds in his
Speaker 4: hands and my hand into the wound in his side.
Speaker 4: And he just wasn't going to have anything to do
Speaker 4: with it. But then miraculously Jesus showed up he apparently
Speaker 4: allowed him to do that, and then he became a believer. Well,
Speaker 4: the point of this story, I think is that it's
Speaker 4: better to believe without having evidence. There's something holy about
Speaker 4: believing without evidence.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: Religious religious belief brings higher kinds of truth, a higher
Speaker 4: kind of knowledge about God and related things. And there's
Speaker 4: another another problem I think it goes with this. Faith
Speaker 4: of course means belief without evidence, and faith play plays
Speaker 4: a big role in many people's religious in fact, every
Speaker 4: religious But then there are books like the Bible and
Speaker 4: the Torah and the Kloran, and people believe that these
Speaker 4: things contain the absolute final truths about everything. If you
Speaker 4: can find it in the Bible, there.
Speaker 5: Everything you need.
Speaker 4: But the problem is the Bible hasn't been found to
Speaker 4: be wrong about hundreds of things, and people don't look
Speaker 4: at that. So this is sometimes called the fallacy of
Speaker 4: the perfect dictionary.
Speaker 3: You want to know the.
Speaker 2: Meaning of a word, you.
Speaker 4: Want to know where some believe about something came from it.
Speaker 4: If it's in the Bible, that's all you need to do,
Speaker 4: and the same thing for the for the Quran and
Speaker 4: the Taurus. But I would argue that there's absolutely no
Speaker 4: book anywhere that contains every single truth. But people don't
Speaker 4: don't recognize this, and they carry this maximum. You know,
Speaker 4: if it's in the Bible or some other sort, that's
Speaker 4: all you need, and they carry it into politics in
Speaker 4: ordinary life and have some political figure, some guru you know,
Speaker 4: comes out and says something that's it. You don't need
Speaker 4: to even think further about it.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, well, I think I think also part of this.
Speaker 1: Doctor Hurley too once you brought up with the Bible
Speaker 1: is that it doesn't answer everything. But here's the problem
Speaker 1: is you have this this sacred text, but it's up
Speaker 1: to human interpretation, and so you can read a passage
Speaker 1: from the Bible and for one religion it means one thing,
Speaker 1: and for some other religion it means something else, which
Speaker 1: is why you have what over four thousand different interpretations
Speaker 1: of a worship or a deity or whatever it might be.
Speaker 1: And you're just hoping your guys, right, that's basically.
Speaker 4: What that's That's absolutely true. But I think the cure
Speaker 4: for this kind of thing is to educate yourself, you know,
Speaker 4: become a little bit more educated about what religion is
Speaker 4: and where.
Speaker 2: It came from.
Speaker 4: And recently most of my writings are the fancy then
Speaker 4: about logic, But recently I wrote a book called Religion,
Speaker 4: Power and Illusion, Genealogy of Religious Beliefs, and it offers
Speaker 4: an explanation for where religion came from and why it
Speaker 4: is the way it is, and why do religious leaders
Speaker 4: have so much power? Why does religion have rituals and festivals?
Speaker 4: Why is religion run by priests? Who are people that
Speaker 4: I call priests? And why is faith so important and
Speaker 4: why does religion involve where worship and sacrifice? So that's
Speaker 4: that's really the focus of this book intended to explain
Speaker 4: things and does we just throw mud at religion like
Speaker 4: many recent books to do, but it tries to give
Speaker 4: you reasons why you know it is the way it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, because you're going to have people exploiting
Speaker 1: religion for their own benefit. I mean, I think of
Speaker 1: the televangelists, for example, the Prosperity Gospel. It's a nothing
Speaker 1: but multi level marketing is what it is. It's a
Speaker 1: pyramid scheme and your money floats to the top and
Speaker 1: you may not have to give now that's your choice.
Speaker 1: And I think the problem is a lot of this
Speaker 1: gets in the way of understanding God and having that
Speaker 1: belief and that faith, because we want people to interpret
Speaker 1: stuff for us all the time, which is your point
Speaker 1: about logic and religion. And this is why I'm talking
Speaker 1: to doctor Pat Hurley this morning about this in the
Speaker 1: intersection of those two things that when blended with politics,
Speaker 1: tends to morph your worldview, and it's politicizing religion and
Speaker 1: vice versa, and that discourages critical thinking and promotes blind faith.
Speaker 1: And you want that in religion, if you believe in
Speaker 1: one god, if you live in your God, whatever det
Speaker 1: that is. But that's really dangerous in politics. Was there
Speaker 1: time in the world or in America when when we
Speaker 1: are much better at being logical, Well.
Speaker 2: I think there was.
Speaker 4: And the problem is that emotion seems to back most
Speaker 4: of the things that we think nowadays, you know, and
Speaker 4: part of its later to this sub polarization that we
Speaker 4: find when we find in society emotion runs the rules
Speaker 4: of today and practically in every case, if emotion competes
Speaker 4: with reason, emotion is going to win. Unfortunately, that's that's
Speaker 4: the problem, you know. So I think if we just
Speaker 4: settled down, I think for what we are doing, we
Speaker 4: may come back, you know, perhaps the earlier times where
Speaker 4: we thought through things a little bit more thoroughly. But anyway,
Speaker 4: this book that I that I have written traces religion
Speaker 4: back twelve thousand years all the way to the Neolithic period,
Speaker 4: and that was the time that people began the abandoned
Speaker 4: the hunter gather our lifestyle and they settle down in
Speaker 4: communities to raise crops. And what happened at that time
Speaker 4: twelve thousand years ago, there were some very clever spituals
Speaker 4: who thought to themselves, Wow, if I could figure out
Speaker 4: some way of improving the coffee, you know, that would
Speaker 4: be really popular among my group, right, And that's what
Speaker 4: they did. That's what they did. They have they vowed,
Speaker 4: you know, the seeds and the field and the rain
Speaker 4: and the sun and the wind and the warm temperatures
Speaker 4: with gods. And then they persuaded the people in the
Speaker 4: community that they could communicate with those gods, they could
Speaker 4: bargain with those gods, you know, for a better harvest.
Speaker 4: And that turned out that the harvest was good. Well.
Speaker 4: Of course, then the people in the community rewarded these
Speaker 4: team these are shamans, I call them. I call them
Speaker 4: these a proto priests. This is where priests came from.
Speaker 4: Rewarded them with all kinds of power. They gave them
Speaker 4: wealth and control, social status, good living conditions, madeing opportunities
Speaker 4: and so on. And these were the first priests. And
Speaker 4: this pattern of priests creating gods, you know, and then
Speaker 4: persuading the people as they could bargain with those gods
Speaker 4: has continued for twelve thousand years. And it's the very
Speaker 4: same thing. The three seasons lies behind them. The main
Speaker 4: religions today of Christianity, Judaism, and in well, so people
Speaker 4: you know, would come to the real if they would
Speaker 4: conclude that what I've said in this book is correct,
Speaker 4: they would see religion in a different life and they
Speaker 4: would see that maybe just because it comes out of
Speaker 4: the mouth of some tama, it's not a good reason
Speaker 4: to believe it. And just because it comes out of
Speaker 4: the mouth of some political leader, again, it's not a
Speaker 4: good good reason to believe it.
Speaker 1: Is it's just easier for us as human beings to
Speaker 1: have someone go okay, they seem to have all the answers.
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're affiable, they have a charisma about them
Speaker 1: that it's more important. And I think it's also part
Speaker 1: of the tribalism that we've seen too talk to about
Speaker 1: ancient history. Is obvious believe that, you know, for a
Speaker 1: lot of people, it seems more important to be part
Speaker 1: of the tribe than it is to be independent. And go, well,
Speaker 1: wait a minute now, you're saying this, but this is true. Also,
Speaker 1: how to these coincide? Because you don't want to be
Speaker 1: the person challenging the Thompson gazelle, right, you want to
Speaker 1: be the gazelle standing out near the pond when the
Speaker 1: rest of the pack is gone, because then the predator
Speaker 1: is going to come and eat your head off. That's
Speaker 1: lot of what I think people think these days too.
Speaker 1: We're kind of seeing a reversion, you know. We're kind
Speaker 1: of addressing into that, aren't we.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think we are. Uh.
Speaker 4: And this tribalism that you mentioned, of course goes back
Speaker 4: ten thousands of years in a pre historic time, and
Speaker 4: we're seeing, you know, a new eruption of this, brought
Speaker 4: on I think by by the disparity that that people
Speaker 4: have an interview, by the diversity of opinions, and by
Speaker 4: the emotion and come come to the surface. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 4: It is the question of a survival and if you
Speaker 4: stick your head out even first, so be very careful,
Speaker 4: and they're not careful.
Speaker 1: That's the thing.
Speaker 4: Critical thinking means being careful with what you believe. It
Speaker 4: means having evidence to support your views. That's that's what
Speaker 4: it is. People have to come back to that, they
Speaker 4: have to abandon this tribalism that you see today and
Speaker 4: come to see that it's important to speak ahead on
Speaker 4: what you believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but unfortunately we have political leaders that don't espouse that,
Speaker 1: and I guess that's part of politics too. It sounds
Speaker 1: like it's the shaman of old days and we've ascribed
Speaker 1: that no out of political leaders on both sides of
Speaker 1: the which is part of the screaming and pandering that
Speaker 1: goes on. And that's that's not a good thing. How
Speaker 1: what role is education?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: You have worked for years and as an educator as
Speaker 1: a professor of logic, and you study this for a
Speaker 1: long time, But is education Is our educational system to
Speaker 1: blame here too?
Speaker 3: I think it is.
Speaker 4: I think in recent years we've seen a dumbing down
Speaker 4: of the curriculums and that I think is really really unfortunate.
Speaker 4: And we teach all kinds of things, you know people, uh,
Speaker 4: compared with basket weaving and stuff. I think in recent
Speaker 4: years this has come come to that a lot of
Speaker 4: our courses thought in the university don't have any content
Speaker 4: really to speak of. And that's that's really really as
Speaker 4: the basis.
Speaker 2: I think there were a lot.
Speaker 4: Of this and a lot of schools don't teach logic anymore,
Speaker 4: which is unfortunate. Project used to be one of the
Speaker 4: seven liberal arts, you know, and uh it's for cost.
Speaker 4: Before the liberal arts, you know or about.
Speaker 1: There's almost a conspiracy theory there, right is they want
Speaker 1: us dumb.
Speaker 4: It is onto something. But there's maybe a founded conspiracy
Speaker 4: there is not unbounded. There's evidence. I think that what's happening,
Speaker 4: you know, to our educational system in these days.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I didn't really start thinking like
Speaker 1: this until I was out of school, I think, which
Speaker 1: is a sad indictment of my my education. Doctor Patrick
Speaker 1: Curley on the show on seven hundred WLW. He has
Speaker 1: taught logic for a long time. It's always a hard class.
Speaker 1: But how to put your prejudice aside, like religion, power
Speaker 1: and illusion, And I think it gives some context for
Speaker 1: going through here. Typically politically in America, you know, we
Speaker 1: have about twenty percent of extremes and probably less than
Speaker 1: that on both sides on the on the right and
Speaker 1: on the left, and the rest of us kind of
Speaker 1: just sit in the middle of the independent And maybe
Speaker 1: that's why maybe there's hope here something like I just
Speaker 1: saw a new poll forty two percent of Americans consider
Speaker 1: themselves independent, which would make them the large make us
Speaker 1: I guess, the largest political party in the United States.
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of people are getting tired
Speaker 1: of this.
Speaker 4: They are, and there are extremes on the right and
Speaker 4: the left. An Aristotle cltered. I think best, you know,
Speaker 4: in the middle stands virtue and the bus just going
Speaker 4: to the middle, and I think they may restore these
Speaker 4: maybe the people who restore sanity to this situation, at least.
Speaker 6: I hope they do.
Speaker 4: I'm a little bit closer myself, so yeah.
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like this is maybe the end
Speaker 1: of that. But I don't know. Maybe it's a generational
Speaker 1: thing with baby boomers. I'm not sure, but doctor Patrick Curley, Religion,
Speaker 1: Power and Illusion. Thanks again for the time, appreciate it,
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Take care. We've got to talk
Speaker 1: about the inevitability arguably one of the worst losses of
Speaker 1: all time, and that's saying a lot for this franchise.
Speaker 1: We also have the thievery in front of Great American Ballpark.
Speaker 1: Now only we get kicked in the crotch yesterday at Pekar.
Speaker 1: He got kicked in the crotch at gavp All in
Speaker 1: the same day. We'll get to that right after news.
Speaker 1: Sloaney on seven hundred WLW. iHeart Scott's blown back on
Speaker 1: seven hundred W l W loss the cover on this
Speaker 1: Monday morning, and hey, Monday morning, we're coming back just
Speaker 1: being in pain. Well, we got just absolutely shafted, got
Speaker 1: boned over the last twenty four hours. I mean, first
Speaker 1: of all, you get the Bengals and a horrific loss.
Speaker 1: And arguably, if you've been a long suffering Bengals fan,
Speaker 1: this one that this loss feels like it's among the worst.
Speaker 1: The other indignity. And Tom Brenneman just an hour ago
Speaker 1: had his dad on Marty Brenneman. Somebody stole the microphone
Speaker 1: from the brand spaky new Marty Brenneman statue in front
Speaker 1: of Great American Ballpark, broke the microphone off, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, if it's like the two guys still missing
Speaker 1: from the Louver heist. I'm not sure who's now Now
Speaker 1: they're stealing the Brenneman statue pieces from Cincinnati. What's this
Speaker 1: world coming to? I wonder if the Bengals defense had
Speaker 1: any to do with guarding Marty's statue. I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 1: I have to look. An investigation is forthcoming, as we'll roll,
Speaker 1: But what an embarrassing loss. If you invested your time,
Speaker 1: the hell if you went down to the stadium yesterday
Speaker 1: expecting a beatdown and making it. You know, the Bengals rolling.
Speaker 1: They get to even all as well, and good. I
Speaker 1: can't imagine how sick in your stomach and the pit
Speaker 1: of your stomach he must feel, having invested all that
Speaker 1: time and hope that this should be a lock. Right,
Speaker 1: You look at the schedule and go, yeah, there's no
Speaker 1: question about Bengals got this. We look right past the Jets,
Speaker 1: and you should have because the Jets are bad football.
Speaker 1: There's a reason that there well were until yesterday. It
Speaker 1: went seven. In addition to being bad. All their guys
Speaker 1: were hurt. You had one guy it bries Hall, that
Speaker 1: was it. You had a running back that's it, justin
Speaker 1: Fields was terrible. You got benched. His quarterback rating was
Speaker 1: less than sixty from the past two games, and you
Speaker 1: lost to that guy. I mean he put up some
Speaker 1: some really good numbers, no interceptions, a touchdown, two hundred
Speaker 1: and forty four yards, fine, good enough to win. Good.
Speaker 1: But the Bengals offense was just so much better. And
Speaker 1: I would say that the play calling and of course
Speaker 1: the level of talent on defense are the two big
Speaker 1: issues for this football team. And there's a low looking
Speaker 1: past that. You know, now we got of that conversation
Speaker 1: where I think, go, okay, well you change your defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: Well you know Shamar Stewart, it's going to take away.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, you're with it on draft picks on defense,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't think that's I mean, you
Speaker 1: blame the defensive coordinator around now, Golden and I think
Speaker 1: that you know, some of Zach's play calling was certainly questionable,
Speaker 1: especially down the stretch, and that's fair, but that's not like, Okay,
Speaker 1: who do we blame? Who's this on? Is to be
Speaker 1: the big question? And I can't help but look at it,
Speaker 1: and there's a core thing going on here, and that
Speaker 1: is the fact that you know they're around with contract
Speaker 1: with Trey hendricks In and getting receivers under contract and
Speaker 1: how are they going to get this done? And then
Speaker 1: and really didn't do anything in the off season to
Speaker 1: address the big concerns that as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: they just stood pat with the guys they had because
Speaker 1: they didn't want to spend the money. That's above Zach Taylor,
Speaker 1: that's above Al Golton, that's above the players on the field,
Speaker 1: that's front off of stuff. So We're back to that
Speaker 1: conversation again, the ugly conversation that quite honestly, the Brown
Speaker 1: family doesn't want us to have because now you're casting
Speaker 1: dispersions on their ability to draft, on their ability to
Speaker 1: run football operations. And that's what it's coming down to.
Speaker 1: I mean, explain to me if it's indeed a coaching
Speaker 1: Oh wow, this is diff we just come coaching. They're
Speaker 1: not going to fire Zach Taylor. He's been to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl of the Century, so he's good for another
Speaker 1: one hundred years. You got rid of Loui Anroumo who
Speaker 1: went to Indianapolis and how they do and they're what
Speaker 1: they're seven to one, pretty good, pretty good football team.
Speaker 1: He's doing. His defense is pretty good, right, that's the
Speaker 1: same guy they ran out of town here, And so
Speaker 1: you bring Al goldon while he's going to coach up
Speaker 1: the he's going to coach up these guys schamar or
Speaker 1: he's gonna coach he's got samar Stewart has been terrible.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's literally done nothing. And you could talk
Speaker 1: about the holdout, you could talk about the ankle injury
Speaker 1: and he missed the bad Okay, great, But if you
Speaker 1: have that God given ability, you're gonna at least make
Speaker 1: some plays, especially against a horrible line like the Jets
Speaker 1: have nothing. At some point you got to start looking
Speaker 1: above the coaching and okay, well these players are bad.
Speaker 1: Well why do they have bad players? Why are they
Speaker 1: drafting poor players? Why are they hitting on the wrong guys.
Speaker 1: It's a fair question ask, and that falls squarely on
Speaker 1: the feet of Duke Tobin and everyone else above him
Speaker 1: for that matter. Thirty nine thirty eight they lose yesterday.
Speaker 1: That's about as embarrassing as it gets. I was thinking
Speaker 1: back in history and I had to look it up.
Speaker 1: Last time they one of the teams that really smoked
Speaker 1: him was like twenty seven, nothing like fifteen years ago
Speaker 1: to the same New York Jets team. Apparently the Jets
Speaker 1: have their number, but fortunately only play them every so often.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It's just I don't know how you
Speaker 1: stood that didn't leave that game yesterday not sick to
Speaker 1: your stomach. I really really don't. That's embarrassing. And a
Speaker 1: team that's had some really embarrassing losses, Let's face it,
Speaker 1: you beat the Pittsburgh Steelers. Defense was okay, it was
Speaker 1: good enough to win, But man, in this game yesterday though,
Speaker 1: it was it's just inexplicable how poorly they played against
Speaker 1: the worst team in the National Football League. And you
Speaker 1: can go on again in Sunday and they were, you know,
Speaker 1: nothing more desperate than a winless team. I get all
Speaker 1: that stuff, but they were so hurt, they were so
Speaker 1: decimated with injuries. They had one weapon they're running back,
Speaker 1: and he torched it for like one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: plus yards. Makes no sense. You had one job. All
Speaker 1: you gotta do is stop that guy from running the ball.
Speaker 1: And they were running the ball in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: to show you how confident they were. M really makes
Speaker 1: you want to rip your head out, or your your
Speaker 1: head off, or maybe your hair out. Maybe your head
Speaker 1: and your hair. That's that bad. We're done. We're beyond
Speaker 1: ripping hair out. We're ripping our own heads off right now.
Speaker 1: All right? What else is going on in this world
Speaker 1: of ours? I hate to start it with such a downer.
Speaker 1: Always try to look something positive on Monday morning. I
Speaker 1: don't know how many of those those things are going on.
Speaker 1: Later on in the show, We're going to get ten
Speaker 1: oh seven this morning. Kurt Ribers on from Freestore Food Bank.
Speaker 1: We are now in the stage of the shutdown where're
Speaker 1: starting to feel its effects. You know, in the early stages,
Speaker 1: first couple of weeks, for first two three weeks in
Speaker 1: this thing, it's all theater. And I said that, look,
Speaker 1: this is you know, you're closing national parks and not
Speaker 1: cutting grass and picking up trash, and you know you're
Speaker 1: still doing construction on the White House. Army Navy football
Speaker 1: game is tell you the service academies that are doing
Speaker 1: what they we're paying soldiers. Okay, all well and good.
Speaker 1: The first few weeks of this thing is theater. Then
Speaker 1: you know, federal employees, okay, we're not getting a pay
Speaker 1: check off the start, and it's like, okay, get a
Speaker 1: little more serious, but still not that serious. Now you're
Speaker 1: talking about snap benefits and stuff and people not eating.
Speaker 1: That's a different story. And we'll see what happens on
Speaker 1: Saturday if they can't find the money to keep people fed.
Speaker 1: In this country, I think of it, we are collectively
Speaker 1: a nation of largely fat bastards. We have more food
Speaker 1: than we can possibly eat, We throw more food out
Speaker 1: than most nations can produce, and at the same time
Speaker 1: we have hungry people. You don't have to be a
Speaker 1: diet in the world, progressive liberal, handwringing, tree hugging democrat
Speaker 1: to not feel for your fellow man, especially if you're
Speaker 1: I would say, if you're a Christian, do you look
Speaker 1: at that and go, that's that's horrific. But that is
Speaker 1: part and parcel for what we're talking about. With a
Speaker 1: government that only cares about their party. You know you
Speaker 1: think they both care, they care about people. No, this
Speaker 1: is putting party over politics. And when we have a
Speaker 1: shutdown that continues to plot along. When you get to
Speaker 1: that thirty day mark, and there's a reason why this
Speaker 1: is the second longest in history. The longest was thirty
Speaker 1: five days, and thirty five days about the breaking point
Speaker 1: where they say, okay, we got a we guess that
Speaker 1: this very well. Maybe what happens Saturday, if we get
Speaker 1: to that point, might be the wake up call for
Speaker 1: this to change. But once you get past thirty days
Speaker 1: and it goes from theater into reality, and we'll see
Speaker 1: that on Saturday with the with the snap cuts, and
Speaker 1: both sides are just so dug in because the events
Speaker 1: they're winning, the political and pr battle, that's all it is.
Speaker 1: They just look at their internals, they look at their
Speaker 1: poll and go, oh, there are supporters. There are one
Speaker 1: hundred percent with us year. They want us to continue
Speaker 1: the fight. Well, great, but in the meantime, don't like
Speaker 1: normal people, regular people, friends, family members, co workers, neighbors.
Speaker 1: Don't they get squeezed out? You know the idea that
Speaker 1: I understand that sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason, but
Speaker 1: they also tend to die of very slow death. You know,
Speaker 1: the idea that the people getting snap benefits are like
Speaker 1: a bunch of welfare queens and kings that simply sit around,
Speaker 1: exist on government benefits and don't produce anything. The ball
Speaker 1: and Colonel talk about this after ten o'clock. The bulk
Speaker 1: of people or on that are actually working people and
Speaker 1: working families, folks who are working multiple jobs that still
Speaker 1: can't keep their head above water. That's an indictment of
Speaker 1: our system for sure. Dems think Republicans are going to
Speaker 1: shoulder the blame because they run Washington and Trump dominates
Speaker 1: the political sphareesots all on them. The only thing that
Speaker 1: they're above water on the Democrats talk about a You
Speaker 1: think Republicans are messed up, that Democrats are horrible. The
Speaker 1: only issue that they're upside on the right side on
Speaker 1: them is healthcare. In the eyes of the American people.
Speaker 1: All the polling members indicate that Republicans win pretty every
Speaker 1: major character, education, defense, you name it. But healthcare that's
Speaker 1: the one area where Democrats are winning on. And this
Speaker 1: is about subsidy to try and carry things on for
Speaker 1: people through the first of the year up till the
Speaker 1: first year. We don't know what's going to happen with
Speaker 1: an Affordable Care Act, which is of course just another
Speaker 1: money shift, and no one will address the root issue
Speaker 1: with this. No one wants to have a good faith conversation.
Speaker 1: You have to have trust. No one trusts each other,
Speaker 1: and so they'll look at their internal numbers, they look
Speaker 1: at their supporters. And meanwhile, if you know, if you're
Speaker 1: a political kool aid drinker, you love that because your
Speaker 1: side is winning, quote unquote winning. We're winning. We're winning
Speaker 1: this one. We're winning. We're winning. Don't back down. You
Speaker 1: got to win, stand and fight, and of course they'll
Speaker 1: send out appeals asking you for your money so they
Speaker 1: can continue that fight. But in the meantime, I think
Speaker 1: the middle part of us, the electorate, looks at it. Coinger,
Speaker 1: who's benefiting from people starving or not getting their snap benefits.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see more people snap benefits. I
Speaker 1: want to see left. I want to see people work
Speaker 1: and buy their own food. Because of the way they've
Speaker 1: structured the system, the way the system is set up
Speaker 1: right now, it's hard for a lot of people to
Speaker 1: do that, and they get caught in the middle. I
Speaker 1: think you can be compact, you can can be a conservative,
Speaker 1: and you can be compassionate about that too, and I
Speaker 1: don't so hopefully maybe we can fill that gap with
Speaker 1: the free store food bank. And like Annaway Kurt ribers
Speaker 1: I mentioned coming up on the show, at ten oh seven,
Speaker 1: they caught half of them out of the four thieves
Speaker 1: that used a ladder and a vehicle mounted the lift
Speaker 1: to break into the louver in the Apollo Gallery. Last
Speaker 1: week they have caught two of the four suspects of
Speaker 1: the four thieves, one of them at least is trying
Speaker 1: to flee the country. After the crown jewel heust in France,
Speaker 1: they still eight pieces of royal jewelry, necklaces, earrings, brooches.
Speaker 1: The brooches and belonged to Napoleon's wives and the French royalty.
Speaker 1: So the question now is well, that means we can
Speaker 1: recover this stuff, right. I got do a rabbit hole
Speaker 1: this weekend reading about this, it was fascinating that if
Speaker 1: you still let's say they still pain well first of all,
Speaker 1: and the reason why they targeted jewels is because there
Speaker 1: are motorcycles. You can put them inside your coat and
Speaker 1: you can drive away trying to carry you know, a
Speaker 1: giant trying to carry the I don't know the bone
Speaker 1: elite though. Way may cause people to look at you go,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, that looks kind of familiar. Probably
Speaker 1: not the best idea. And plus was stolen paintings, you
Speaker 1: can't it's hard to sell because thieves can't show legal
Speaker 1: ownership down there's no title to it like a car
Speaker 1: or house, and so you have to sit at it
Speaker 1: for a long time. May end up in you know,
Speaker 1: in a legitimate collection at some point in the future,
Speaker 1: but not anytime soon. So stolen artwork like that, forget it.
Speaker 1: But jewelry a different story. And they're saying that there's
Speaker 1: a ten percent chance, a ten percent chance that this
Speaker 1: can be recovered. The experts seem to think right now
Speaker 1: that the precious jewels, the crown jewels, that were stolen,
Speaker 1: had been broken up in the smaller gemstones, the metals
Speaker 1: had been melted down and reshaped and sold to dealers
Speaker 1: who have no idea what it is. And now, granted
Speaker 1: it's a fraction of the value, because we were talking
Speaker 1: about one hundred million dollars is what all these were worth.
Speaker 1: But guess what those gems and that melted down gold
Speaker 1: and silver and all that stuff still worth millions and
Speaker 1: millions of dollars. And so maybe they said there's a
Speaker 1: ten percent chancell I'll recover this stuff. That's incredible. Also,
Speaker 1: about ninety percent nine and ten museum heights are inside jobs,
Speaker 1: and this kind of feels like an inside job if
Speaker 1: you watch it, if you followed it at all. I
Speaker 1: did a little bit just because you know, art heists
Speaker 1: and heists in general kind of fascinating. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a Ocean's eleven, twelve and thirteen marathon on this week,
Speaker 1: kind of kind of flipped around soft parts of that,
Speaker 1: thinking that's like the louver, right, But most of it is,
Speaker 1: you know, inside jobs, and most of it's stolen during
Speaker 1: storage or transit, not the stuff that's in the display gallery,
Speaker 1: which makes us even more compelling because the actually brought
Speaker 1: broke in and stole items that are on display. Because
Speaker 1: most museums a lot of stuff. A museum special to
Speaker 1: Louve I think something like ten percent of their objects
Speaker 1: are on display. Ninety percent of the stuff is in
Speaker 1: storage somewhere, and you think, okay, well, stealing it from
Speaker 1: storage is a hell of a lot easier then stealing
Speaker 1: something on display. But again they had I think a
Speaker 1: third or more the security cameras were down in that area,
Speaker 1: and it was just a logistical nightmare and mess and
Speaker 1: certainly makes the French government look incompetent and they don't
Speaker 1: need any more help looking like that. Like I guess
Speaker 1: they're I don't know, man, we may have to check
Speaker 1: the lineage of the Bengals defense and maybe a connection
Speaker 1: to France there. I'm not quite sure. But nonetheless, they
Speaker 1: caught two of these individuals. One'm trying to flee the country.
Speaker 1: But the idea they're going to get the jewels back,
Speaker 1: according to the experts are saying it's a ten percent
Speaker 1: chance that the stuff hasn't really melted down and already sold.
Speaker 1: For that matter, I mean, I guess you could take
Speaker 1: I don't know, a bunch of jewelry, break the stones off,
Speaker 1: have somebody split the rocks down. Now you've got loose
Speaker 1: diamonds and emeralds and rubies and sapphires and all those
Speaker 1: precious gemstones. And then just take the metal that was
Speaker 1: holding it and melt that down into what I don't know,
Speaker 1: but into maybe a different form of jewelry. It doesn't
Speaker 1: take all that much work if you think about it.
Speaker 1: You just need some unscrupulous jewelers to do that for you.
Speaker 1: And there's probably enough money in it to find unscrupulous jewelers.
Speaker 1: So who knows, maybe that next engagementing Dimary and Pennant
Speaker 1: whatever it might be one of the French ground jewels.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're getting engaged, can you buy the
Speaker 1: ring and say, you know, I don't say this, but
Speaker 1: that was that was one of the Napoleonic jewels are
Speaker 1: in there. Really can't tell anybody. You can't tell anybody.
Speaker 1: But then again, you better trust that person because they'll
Speaker 1: roll on you. That's what they do. Eventually, they'll roll
Speaker 1: on you. It's five point three seven four nine seven
Speaker 1: eight hundred The Big One Talkback iHeartRadio app on this
Speaker 1: Monday morning with Scott's loan here on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 3: I want to go.
Speaker 1: You got something back on seven hundred WW. So starting Saturday,
Speaker 1: we're on the clock. Right now, about forty two million
Speaker 1: low income people will not get their SNAP that's a
Speaker 1: supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program benefits unless Congress breaks the stalemate.
Speaker 1: Got to fund the government and hit things back open.
Speaker 1: So as things stand right now, and this is a
Speaker 1: very local concern, is that the big beautiful Bill already
Speaker 1: cuts SNAP by like one hundred and eighty six billion,
Speaker 1: which is the largest cut in history. We're headed into
Speaker 1: winter and the holidays, which means demand for services is
Speaker 1: going up. And right here in Sinsey, the Free Store
Speaker 1: Food Bank is the largest emergency food and service provider
Speaker 1: to children and families in all of Cincinnati or Kentucky
Speaker 1: and southeast Indiana. They hand out over fifty almost fifty
Speaker 1: million meals annually to low income people and families. And
Speaker 1: the question is the strain that they're going to face
Speaker 1: or maybe they're they're staying right now. He is the
Speaker 1: CEO the Free Store, and that's kurt ryber Back on
Speaker 1: the show this morning. How you been.
Speaker 2: Yourself?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well. Thank you so much. You know the
Speaker 1: story kept coming out and Okay, we've got the government shutdown,
Speaker 1: and now the snap benefits are going to go away
Speaker 1: starting Saturday, and we know there are already cuts to
Speaker 1: Snap under the big beautiful bill, and we know that
Speaker 1: the appeal starts since it's ongoing appeal. Of course it's
Speaker 1: year round, but seemingly around the holidays, right around Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: and Chris Smiths in winter months, there's more demand for
Speaker 1: you guys as well. Are you starting to feel the impact.
Speaker 7: Yet, Well, we've always seen just based on their higher
Speaker 7: growcery prices and the higher cost of living that we're
Speaker 7: seeing right now due to inflation, Scott, we're seeing an
Speaker 7: increase over the past two years. We've seen about a
Speaker 7: thirty five percent increase in demand at our two markets,
Speaker 7: our Detailing market and our Liberty Street market, and then
Speaker 7: our six hundred plus pantry that we serve in the
Speaker 7: twenty counties served by the Free Star are letting us
Speaker 7: know also that they're seeing increased demand. Typically, when kids
Speaker 7: go back to school, we see the demand drop off
Speaker 7: a little bit because eight out of ten kids are
Speaker 7: eligible for free and reduced lunches, which is also going
Speaker 7: to be impacted by this government shutdown as well. But
Speaker 7: I think what we're seeing right now is that people
Speaker 7: were living paycheck to paycheck during the pandemic, and that
Speaker 7: continues because people have burned through those reserves, so they've
Speaker 7: been relying on a freestore food bank and our sister
Speaker 7: food banks across the country at a much higher level.
Speaker 1: So we've got literally tens of thousands here in Cincinnati
Speaker 1: that are potentially losing food assistants coming up. How are
Speaker 1: you guys at the freestore preparing for what could be
Speaker 1: a massive influx of people who never used the food
Speaker 1: bank before.
Speaker 7: Well, we've been reaching out to the federal employees, the
Speaker 7: military families, the folks that have been impacted by the
Speaker 7: furloughs and the layoffs, because we want to let them
Speaker 7: know that we're available and we're there to help them
Speaker 7: through this difficult, challenging time.
Speaker 6: We're looking right now as.
Speaker 7: To whether or not we're able to increase our food
Speaker 7: distributions at least at our two markets, at our Betailor
Speaker 7: Market and our Liberty Market to twice a month, typically
Speaker 7: during the summer months, when the kids drop from school.
Speaker 7: We allow our neighbors to come and shop twice a month,
Speaker 7: and then during the school year we had them shop
Speaker 7: once a month. But we're looking right now to see
Speaker 7: whether or not we have the resources and the capacity
Speaker 7: to allow them to come and shop twice a month
Speaker 7: at least until the government shut down the resolved and
Speaker 7: staff benefits we come to flow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so double the demand here and at least so
Speaker 1: there's a capacity concerned here. Do you have enough food,
Speaker 1: you have tech? Do you have enough volunteers and resources
Speaker 1: to handle that?
Speaker 7: Well? The volunteers, obviously, we can always use more volunteers.
Speaker 7: I encourage folks to go to Freestorefoodbank dot org and uh,
Speaker 7: you know, volunteer on our volunteer button. But also as
Speaker 7: far as reserves and resources we have, you know, we
Speaker 7: we've acted very you know, frugally, We've been good storages
Speaker 7: of the resource we've gotten in. We would always encourage
Speaker 7: folks if they have the capacity to make the gifts now,
Speaker 7: especially during these more challenging times for the families that
Speaker 7: are serving, now would be an opportune time to do that.
Speaker 7: But I think what we're looking at right now is
Speaker 7: making sure that we're Unfortunately, we've been buying more food
Speaker 7: than we have in the past because of supply chain
Speaker 7: issues and the like. But I think what we're trying
Speaker 7: to now is talk to our food service partners, the
Speaker 7: grocery stores that are out there, the manufacturers that are
Speaker 7: out there, and trying to say, if we're buying food
Speaker 7: from you all, is there also some food that you
Speaker 7: could donate as well. So we're trying to hit it
Speaker 7: on all front, Scott, so you know we're there.
Speaker 2: For the families.
Speaker 7: But the reality is this is that nine out of
Speaker 7: ten meals are provided by SNAFF Benefits and one out
Speaker 7: of ten meals is provided by Freestore Food Bank our
Speaker 7: sister food banks across the country. Just in Ohio, almost
Speaker 7: one and a half million families receive individuals receive SNAFF benefits.
Speaker 7: Forty five thousand of those are veterans, and sixty two
Speaker 7: percent of them are our families with children. So we
Speaker 7: know that it's going to be felt. Fifty percent of
Speaker 7: the families that we serve, and we serve two hundred
Speaker 7: and seventy five thousand of our neighbors that are food
Speaker 7: and secure eighty two thousand wich your kids, so we
Speaker 7: serve about half of those are receiving SNAFF benefits and
Speaker 7: Most of the families that we serve are working, just
Speaker 7: not making enough money to make ends meet when it
Speaker 7: comes time to groceries, or paying the rent, or buying
Speaker 7: medicine for the kids, or paying you know, buying food.
Speaker 7: So those are the things that we've been confronted with
Speaker 7: for years. But this community has really rallied behind us
Speaker 7: over the year, Scott, and I know that they're going
Speaker 7: to do that again.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm sure you've also looked at it too. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have to do a I guess, find out what
Speaker 1: your breaking point is for lack of a better term, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, how close are you to that? If you
Speaker 1: start to add up all these numbers to go, how
Speaker 1: are we going to sustain this? If we're now twice
Speaker 1: a month, then we've increased demand, you know, thirty percent.
Speaker 1: Is that sustainable for how long?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 7: You know, the way we look at this is that
Speaker 7: you know, we've prepared for, you know, to maintain reserves
Speaker 7: for events like this. We've gone through some natural disasters
Speaker 7: where we've partner with other food banks across the country.
Speaker 7: We've rallied behind folks during the pandemic, during the Great Recession.
Speaker 7: So Free Store is going to stand tall and be
Speaker 7: there as well as our six hundred food pantries that
Speaker 7: are across the twenty countside. Twenty County is served by
Speaker 7: the free store. But at some point in time, we
Speaker 7: will get to a point where, you know, if this
Speaker 7: is a prolonged government shutdown, then more and more families
Speaker 7: will be turning to a free store and our sister
Speaker 7: food banks, and at that point in time we'll have
Speaker 7: to assess the situation. But right now, we're not there.
Speaker 7: Right now, we are in a situation where we have
Speaker 7: resources and reserves to weather the storm on a on
Speaker 7: a temporary basis. I would say if we go out
Speaker 7: there another you know, you know, thirty days, then things
Speaker 7: are going to have to get a little bit more tighter.
Speaker 1: Well, as I've said a long you know, the first
Speaker 1: few weeks, days and weeks of this, it's all political theater.
Speaker 1: But as you get to that thirty day mark. And
Speaker 1: that's why the longest shutdown, in the second longest and
Speaker 1: longest one is thirty five days, because now that theater
Speaker 1: becomes reality. In the case where you guys are at
Speaker 1: Freestore Food Bank, Kurt Ryber, you're going to see the
Speaker 1: families who serve hit the hardest and typically who gets
Speaker 1: hurt in there when the SNAP benefits disappear disappear. What
Speaker 1: kind of folks are we talking about here.
Speaker 7: We're talking about you've got you've got seniors, You've got
Speaker 7: you know, military families.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: Forty three percent of the SNAPPERS recipients in Ohio, our
Speaker 7: older adults are disabled individuals, as I said, sixty two
Speaker 7: percent are families with children. We have forty five thousand
Speaker 7: volunteer or veterans I'm sorry to receive SNAP benefits in Ohio.
Speaker 7: And that's that's just you know, those are the folks
Speaker 7: that have given so much of their own lives to
Speaker 7: this great country of ours, and now when we need
Speaker 7: to help them during their challenging times, we need to
Speaker 7: be there. And that's really what the free store is
Speaker 7: going to be about. Uh you've mentioned Thanksgiving coming up.
Speaker 7: Then you'll have a Christmas holidays and the December holidays
Speaker 7: that are out there, uh, you know, and families will
Speaker 7: be relying on freestore and much more profound way in
Speaker 7: order to make ends meet. And Free Store in this
Speaker 7: community has rallied behind these situations in the past. And
Speaker 7: you know my challenge, right, now is to let people
Speaker 7: know that they can make a difference by making a
Speaker 7: donation of the Freestore Food Bank. Every dollar comes in
Speaker 7: and we compriabe the equivalent of three meals and that's
Speaker 7: really going a long ways towards helping to meet the
Speaker 7: needs of these families that are struggling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is consider you to make a thoughtful
Speaker 1: donation as well to the Freeestore New Food Bank now
Speaker 1: more than ever because of what we're talking about here.
Speaker 1: And you know, you mentioned the families that show up
Speaker 1: and I'm sure there's some familiar faces there, but you're
Speaker 1: going to see a whole bunch of people have never
Speaker 1: needed help before. And on that too, how do you
Speaker 1: reach people and help understand that food banks are there
Speaker 1: for them. I mean, you're going to get a whole
Speaker 1: new if this continues, a whole new bunch of people
Speaker 1: showing up or people who may not know you exist
Speaker 1: in the first place.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Scott, what we're doing is we're using all of
Speaker 7: our social media outlets in order to do that, or
Speaker 7: using folks like yourselves on seven hundred WLW to raise
Speaker 7: awareness about the Free Store Food Bank. If people need assistance,
Speaker 7: they can go to Freestore Foodbank dot Org and click
Speaker 7: on to get help now, and they can find a
Speaker 7: pantry that's close to them and be able to receive
Speaker 7: that assistance that they need for The free store has
Speaker 7: continued to rally behind the families that we've served in
Speaker 7: the Tri State area, and we saw an uptick in
Speaker 7: the number of food and secure families over the past
Speaker 7: two years here. But I think what we're going to
Speaker 7: try to do is we're going to try to look
Speaker 7: at it and say, Okay, how can we make a difference.
Speaker 7: And we do that through a couple of other things.
Speaker 7: We also have wraparound support of services our Customer Connection Center,
Speaker 7: so we provide rental assystems to utility assistance. We have
Speaker 7: two wonderful workforce training programs we're getting folks back into
Speaker 7: the workforce, and our culinary program Cincinnati Cooks. I left
Speaker 7: the Tri State Logistics program. So there are things that
Speaker 7: we're doing to stem the tide. But right now we
Speaker 7: need people to support us so that we can support
Speaker 7: those families that are truly in a dire situation.
Speaker 1: Is this sustainable at this right? I mean, even if
Speaker 1: a fraction we said forty two million people turn to
Speaker 1: food banks across the country, including the Free Star Food
Speaker 1: Bank where you're the CEO of kurt ryber Can, the
Speaker 1: Charitable Food System, and I would include churches there as well.
Speaker 1: Can we possibly fill that gap that's a lot of people.
Speaker 1: We can't.
Speaker 7: We can't food bank our way out of the scott
Speaker 7: and you've shared that with our elected officials both at
Speaker 7: the state, federal, and local levels. We're working with folks
Speaker 7: at Hamilton County to figure out what we can do
Speaker 7: as far as reallocating some resources there. We're talking to
Speaker 7: the folks of the city, but we're also talking to
Speaker 7: our federal luckt officials as well and trying to say
Speaker 7: through our government relations team at Feed in America, they're
Speaker 7: continuing to let folks know that this is really impacting
Speaker 7: families because they're quite honest with not doing their job
Speaker 7: and getting a budget passed, and you know, having a
Speaker 7: continued resolution passed its creatically important and right now is
Speaker 7: more than ever for the families that we're serving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, three weeks ago is okay, We're going to
Speaker 1: shut some national parts and maybe not cut the grass.
Speaker 1: Now now you're talking about not feeding people and that
Speaker 1: that's the reality as this thing has gone from theater
Speaker 1: to looming damage. I know, I think it was Virginia.
Speaker 1: They declared a state of emergency and covered SNAP with
Speaker 1: state funds. Says you mentioned local and federal. What's the
Speaker 1: state's role in us. Have you reached out the governor.
Speaker 7: To Wane, Well, we reached out to the elected officials,
Speaker 7: to our state associations. We have a Free State Association
Speaker 7: that we're partners with and they are helping us, you know,
Speaker 7: message those you know, the folks at the governor's office,
Speaker 7: Governor Dwine, Governor Brasher, governor will come over in Indiana
Speaker 7: and they're really helping you tell the story and tell
Speaker 7: the impact. What you have to understand too, is that
Speaker 7: for every dollar worth of SNAP benefits that come in
Speaker 7: to our economy, that equates one to a dollar fifty
Speaker 7: four in economic impact. So you know, we're not really
Speaker 7: impacting just the families that were serving, but we're impacting
Speaker 7: the retailers, the grocery stores, the folks that or have
Speaker 7: hired a lot of people that will also be impacted
Speaker 7: if this government continues to shut down.
Speaker 1: Let's say in the next four or five days that
Speaker 1: they finally are able to get this thing done in
Speaker 1: open government back up, but even beyond November. If the
Speaker 1: shutdown ends this week and benefits are restored, what's your
Speaker 1: outlook for like the next six or twelve months, Kurt.
Speaker 7: Well, I think what we're going to see is where
Speaker 7: you continue to see people that are that are struggling,
Speaker 7: you know, living paycheck to paycheck. You know the inflationary pressures.
Speaker 7: The stock market may be going up, but that's not
Speaker 7: impacting the families that we're serving. So those economic benefits
Speaker 7: they receive are pretty really important to really stem the tide.
Speaker 7: Seventy percent of the families that we serve, the neighbors
Speaker 7: that come into our markets are are working families. You're
Speaker 7: just not making enough money to make ends meet when
Speaker 7: a child gets sick, or car breaks down, or your
Speaker 7: chili bills are out of site. I mean, if we
Speaker 7: have a rough winter, people that decide do I pay
Speaker 7: for my heat and electricity or door buy food. And
Speaker 7: when they make that decision and they say I'm going
Speaker 7: to pay for my electricity and my heat, which is
Speaker 7: critically important, then they're going to come to our food
Speaker 7: bank and our food pantries and really try to figure
Speaker 7: out how they can leverage those resources as well, so
Speaker 7: everything works in dependently on each other, and right now,
Speaker 7: more than ever, we need as help.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this isn't the old tired, stereotypical welfare
Speaker 1: queen Wright King who just shows up and gets free
Speaker 1: stuff from everybody who doesn't feel like they got to work.
Speaker 1: You're talking about people working multiple jobs with the family
Speaker 1: and trying to keep their head above water because the
Speaker 1: cost inflation and everything has gone through the roof and
Speaker 1: skyrocketed because of a number of factors. And now if
Speaker 1: you cut off the benefits are getting the food benefits here,
Speaker 1: people really starve.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 7: It's really critically important when you know, and I want
Speaker 7: to encourage folks if they do need assistance, then you know,
Speaker 7: please go to our website Prestore Foodbank dot org and
Speaker 7: they can find help. Hear of them, they find a
Speaker 7: pandry that's close to them. We have over six hundred
Speaker 7: pantries that we support in twenty counties, about eighty percent
Speaker 7: of our faith based. So we know that the faith
Speaker 7: community is rallying behind this as well, and we know
Speaker 7: that the families that we're serving, and we have one
Speaker 7: hundred and forty amazing team members to work as a
Speaker 7: free Store of Food Bank on the front lines of
Speaker 7: hunger each and every day. We have over twelve thousand
Speaker 7: volunteers that provide eighty two thousand dollars a volunteer service
Speaker 7: war US. So this community has rallied behind the Free
Speaker 7: Store Food Bank. We know they will do that again
Speaker 7: and we just encourage folks to help us get through
Speaker 7: this time.
Speaker 1: Talent, treasure, right, the three big things. And you can
Speaker 1: give one or maybe all of those in these efforts.
Speaker 1: And maybe you need want to volunteer, don't have money
Speaker 1: to give you, but you have time, certainly go and volunteer.
Speaker 1: Go to Freestorefoodbank dot org. If you have money and
Speaker 1: you want to give, please do that because they're going
Speaker 1: to need to fill this void if indeed we get
Speaker 1: to Saturday and forty two million low income people don't
Speaker 1: get their Snap benefits. And we're talking about food here.
Speaker 1: We're not talking about anything else but just basic human
Speaker 1: sustenance at this point. So Kurt Ryber, Yeah.
Speaker 7: One thing I would point out to Scott is that
Speaker 7: a lot of folks who have been asking questions about
Speaker 7: their Snap benefits that are already on their Snap cards,
Speaker 7: those benefits will be available and usable after this, you know,
Speaker 7: after this November first deadline. So if you have Snap
Speaker 7: benefits that are continuing to stay on your card, you
Speaker 7: can still use those as the retailers that you frequent
Speaker 7: until those are spent.
Speaker 1: Important point to the Snap benefit card itself. You have
Speaker 1: the credit on there, you're just not getting any new credit.
Speaker 6: That's correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as of Saturday anyway, Well, hopefully cool er health
Speaker 1: will prevailed. They'll come to a conclusion here and wrap
Speaker 1: this nonsense up because now you're really impacting people's lives.
Speaker 1: Kurt ryber at the Free Star of Food Bank. God
Speaker 1: bless you man. Thanks for what you do. We'll get
Speaker 1: the word out, try to get some volunteers, get you
Speaker 1: some money too, to maybe stem the tide here. Thanks
Speaker 1: so much, Scott, I appreciate you. Take care. Thanks so much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the sad reality of it that, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're political junkie and you're into this thing, and you
Speaker 1: you know you want your side to hold out, Democrats
Speaker 1: want their side to hold out, Republicans on weather side.
Speaker 1: The reality is there are people, real people who are
Speaker 1: getting caught up in the middle of thist kids, working families,
Speaker 1: especially seniors, veterans. How is government serving them? How's government
Speaker 1: serving us? This is self serving, is what this is.
Speaker 1: It's politics over people. Right now. You could be, you know,
Speaker 1: the strongest conservative in the world, Christian conservative all while
Speaker 1: and good. You can't look at this and hear about
Speaker 1: people who are working two three jobs. They've got kids,
Speaker 1: you've got seniors, you've got veterans who are falling between
Speaker 1: the cracks and not be compassionate about that.
Speaker 3: And I am.
Speaker 1: I understand how dire the straits are for a country,
Speaker 1: our future and our tremendous national debt that's growing by
Speaker 1: the second. But this doesn't help that. This doesn't help
Speaker 1: people because you got to live for today. And the
Speaker 1: nonsense of shutting things down when they could be sitting
Speaker 1: and talking and negotiating, actually working for the people and
Speaker 1: not against them. I think should stand above all that.
Speaker 1: Scott's Loan Show seven hundred do all. Everyone needs help
Speaker 1: every now and then, and she'asier to help us get
Speaker 1: our heads right. This is Mental Health Monday with mental
Speaker 1: health expert Julie Headtershire. All right, the weekend two work
Speaker 1: week transition sucks. It just sucks. It sucks worse when
Speaker 1: the Bengals lose like they did, because then you just
Speaker 1: wake up mad. I just stay in bed. Oh you
Speaker 1: know what, just take the week off to the next game.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel. Julie Hatters here, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 6: Hello? I'm good. How are you?
Speaker 1: There's no greater Bengal or NFL fan than you. I know,
Speaker 1: and I know how hard you take a loss of true.
Speaker 5: Yes, I didn't even know they played yesterday, much less.
Speaker 1: Less I know because you She'll text me like during
Speaker 1: the game, going what we should talk about this tomorrow?
Speaker 1: Charl getting a sold But the rest of the world's
Speaker 1: watching football. You have no idea what's going no idea.
Speaker 5: No, I had no idea, not a clue. You are right.
Speaker 1: You're the person who's out there, like Super Bowl Sunday.
Speaker 1: She's the one. She's shopping, she's at the store, she's
Speaker 1: doing anything. Why is everything? Why is there no one
Speaker 1: out today? This is stupid.
Speaker 8: No, I at least know about Super Bowl Sunday. I
Speaker 8: mean that's a big deal.
Speaker 1: That's a big deal. That is a big deal. It
Speaker 1: is so hard. And the reason why we do this
Speaker 1: segment of Metal Health Monday is because Monday is the
Speaker 1: worst day of the week for most people, but especially
Speaker 1: between you know what's going on inside that little head
Speaker 1: of your So transitioning from the weekend, it starts on Friday.
Speaker 1: You're in weekend mode. Maybe you work out of the
Speaker 1: house so it's even a little more lax, or maybe
Speaker 1: you get off a little early and hey, I got Friday,
Speaker 1: I got Saturday. Sunday comes along. I know people that
Speaker 1: party right up until about ten o'clock Sunday night, and
Speaker 1: then Monday comes along and they're like, ah, it's all
Speaker 1: coming at me at the same time. Here is there
Speaker 1: a way to mentally ease that transition a little bit better?
Speaker 5: Well, I think there are several things we can do.
Speaker 8: But I think one of the things that gets lost
Speaker 8: in the conversation about starting your work week, And as
Speaker 8: I was sort of prepping for this talk this show,
Speaker 8: I noticed this is that when we go to work
Speaker 8: versus on the weekend, it's not just shifting what we do,
Speaker 8: but to some degree, it's shifting we are. We are
Speaker 8: most of us different people at work than we are
Speaker 8: on the weekends, and so for a lot of us,
Speaker 8: that identity shift is a really hard thing, going from
Speaker 8: who you have to be at home with your family
Speaker 8: or in your life on the weekend to going into
Speaker 8: work on Monday and being the productive or we hope
Speaker 8: productive worker that you are in. Whatever job you do
Speaker 8: requires not just doing different things, but being a different person.
Speaker 8: And for some of us, we don't like the person
Speaker 8: we are at work as much as we like the
Speaker 8: person we are at home. So sometimes I think that
Speaker 8: gets lost in the conversation. And I think that's an
Speaker 8: important thing to recognize, is that it requires an identity
Speaker 8: shift that sometimes we don't enjoy very much.
Speaker 1: Okay, because you got to put your workface onus what
Speaker 1: you're saying and be some like, for example, you've got
Speaker 1: to go out and you know, if you're in sales,
Speaker 1: you got to go well be a salesperson. Either that's
Speaker 1: a tough job or it's like wow, physical abor, I'm
Speaker 1: still sore from Friday. I got to get back and
Speaker 1: put back to work here.
Speaker 8: Yes, And I know I've worked with people in sales
Speaker 8: over the course of my career and many of them
Speaker 8: are actually introverted, and so to go out and be
Speaker 8: in a sales position, customer facing, knocking on doors literally
Speaker 8: sometimes knocking on doctor's offices doors to bring them lunch
Speaker 8: is difficult for them, and they have to sort of
Speaker 8: energize and gear up and kind of rev themselves up.
Speaker 5: And put themselves into sort of a.
Speaker 8: Slightly altered identity in order to do that, and then
Speaker 8: they get to sort of go back to who they
Speaker 8: actually are on the weekend. So for a lot of people,
Speaker 8: becoming that worker on Monday is difficult. It's not just
Speaker 8: about going to work, it's who you have to be
Speaker 8: when you're there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, putting that face on. Okay, I get
Speaker 1: that whole thing. Yeah all right, So all right, I
Speaker 1: got to make that When should that transition start?
Speaker 5: Well, I think people need to start doing that Sunday evening.
Speaker 5: I think the most.
Speaker 8: Successful productive people that I've worked with have sort of
Speaker 8: a Sunday evening route where they sort of gear down
Speaker 8: from the weekend and start to transition into before they
Speaker 8: go to bed on Sunday night, start to transition into
Speaker 8: two Monday mode. That doesn't necessarily mean looking at their calendars,
Speaker 8: that doesn't necessarily mean.
Speaker 5: Diving back in.
Speaker 8: That means sort of, for many of them, setting an
Speaker 8: intention of what do I need to do this week?
Speaker 8: What are my big projects. What are my big goals
Speaker 8: and who do I need to be in order to
Speaker 8: accomplish them? And how can I set myself up for
Speaker 8: success tonight so that tomorrow morning I hit the ground
Speaker 8: running and I'm able to get done what I need
Speaker 8: to get done. So it's sort of a larger goal
Speaker 8: intention setting kind of shift than it is looking at
Speaker 8: what you have first thing Monday morning on your calendar.
Speaker 1: Kind of Okay, yeah, I guess, but that feels like
Speaker 1: you're demand's cheating out of hours on your weekend again.
Speaker 1: You know, wait a minute, I never got to get
Speaker 1: my game face on. It's still Sunday. It's till my day. Man,
Speaker 1: Come on, it's the Lord's day.
Speaker 2: What do we doing?
Speaker 6: No? I get that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that makes perfect sense. And so a way to
Speaker 8: think about that is how to protect enough of who
Speaker 8: I am and my identity and my life by making
Speaker 8: the shift as seamless and the transition as easy as possible,
Speaker 8: versus that jarring the alarm goes off and you're like, oh, shoot,
Speaker 8: now it's Monday.
Speaker 5: Now what am I going to do?
Speaker 8: So optimizing it for you, not optimizing it for your employer.
Speaker 8: How can I make my Monday morning go better for me,
Speaker 8: for my partner, for my family if I have one
Speaker 8: at home. How can I ease this transition for myself?
Speaker 8: Not how can I start working on Sunday night when
Speaker 8: they're not paying me till Monday morning.
Speaker 5: It's a different it's a different way of looking at it, Okay.
Speaker 1: All right, just a different Julie Hendershare here, a licensed
Speaker 1: mental health therapist on this mental health Monday here on
Speaker 1: seven hundred WW Scott's Loan show. The weekend work week transition.
Speaker 1: It is a tough shift and over the course of
Speaker 1: a few hours, because you could also do a little
Speaker 1: bit like like for me, you know, I'll pull behind
Speaker 1: a curtain, like after the show, I'll get all stuff
Speaker 1: lined up for the week ahead, kind of cut through
Speaker 1: some old email and kind of wrap things up for
Speaker 1: the week, and then look ahead and lay some stuff out,
Speaker 1: and then a little bit on Saturday and a little
Speaker 1: bit on Sunday and I just kind of spread it
Speaker 1: out over the weekend. When I'm up having my coffee,
Speaker 1: like I had a little time I'm waking up anyway,
Speaker 1: it's a good time before all the cob webs start
Speaker 1: to come back into my head to get all that
Speaker 1: stuff out of the way.
Speaker 3: Great.
Speaker 8: I was wondering what productivity things you do, because I
Speaker 8: know that you stay on top of what's going on
Speaker 8: in the world and in the news every day, whether
Speaker 8: you're working or not, whether you have a show coming
Speaker 8: up or not.
Speaker 3: I know that you do that.
Speaker 5: But I also know that you.
Speaker 8: Don't let that run your life, that that's not how
Speaker 8: you organize the rest of your life. And so I
Speaker 8: was wondering what kind of productivity and work life balance
Speaker 8: kinds of things you utilize.
Speaker 1: I just try to do it little pieces. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously during the week is busier, but I notice if
Speaker 1: I if I'm out of town or something and come
Speaker 1: back and on Sunday or something, it's like, oh my
Speaker 1: God's chaos. Because but you know, there are little times
Speaker 1: you can slip away even on you know, if you're
Speaker 1: out of town or doing something else, like okay, I
Speaker 1: just need to you know, get half hour forty minutes
Speaker 1: and kind of run through some stuff, line some stuff
Speaker 1: up because you're always thinking ahead, but just doing the
Speaker 1: little nuggets when you're staying around no typically instead of
Speaker 1: you know, doom scrolling social media. If you took a
Speaker 1: half hour forty minutes just to kind of do that.
Speaker 1: It seems like it's it's just not so I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, like Sunday comes are like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I get get ready for Monday. You know how people are.
Speaker 1: It's like if you do a little bit, I think
Speaker 1: each day, I mean, just could could be twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: half hour, it seems to make that Sunday and then
Speaker 1: the Monday transition a lot better, at least that for me. Anyway.
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, I have had clients who are military and firefighters,
Speaker 8: and one of the things that they've all said to
Speaker 8: me is if you stay ready, you don't have to
Speaker 8: get ready. If you stay on top of it, it's
Speaker 8: not such a big deal to jump into it. So
Speaker 8: if you stay ready, you don't have to get ready.
Speaker 8: And so those people who have jobs that allow or
Speaker 8: require some level of readiness in that way spending a
Speaker 8: little time.
Speaker 5: On the weekend just kind of staying on top of things.
Speaker 5: So like you, over the weekend, I will do a
Speaker 5: little work. One of the things I will do is
Speaker 5: read my.
Speaker 8: Note from the last session for the people I have
Speaker 8: coming up in the week, just so I kind of
Speaker 8: have a sense of how.
Speaker 5: Difficult or easy my week with clients is going to be.
Speaker 8: If I knew we had a rough session with five
Speaker 8: clients and I'm seeing all five this week, well, okay,
Speaker 8: that's going to be kind of a heavy week. If
Speaker 8: I know things are going pretty smoothly for some of them,
Speaker 8: then I have an idea of energetically what my week
Speaker 8: is going to look like. So I just kind of
Speaker 8: get a sense of that, so I know what I'm
Speaker 8: heading into on Monday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 5: Like you, I kind of stay on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a task size it, right. What about the
Speaker 1: element of you know, worktime's work time typically you know
Speaker 1: you're dialing your focus like that too, But what about weekend?
Speaker 1: Should we because man, it's so easy for all this
Speaker 1: stuff to start bleeding over to the weekend too. I
Speaker 1: think you got to put boundaries up, right, Oh.
Speaker 8: I think you have to put boundaries and protect your
Speaker 8: off time as much as is humanly possible. I think
Speaker 8: you have to protect your off time. So for example,
Speaker 8: I read my notes from I don't read my notes
Speaker 8: from all my sessions, just for the ones I'm seeing
Speaker 8: for the next week, and I only give myself like
Speaker 8: twenty or thirty minutes tops to do that and then
Speaker 8: I put it away and then I'm done. But you
Speaker 8: need to protect that time. But then when you're in
Speaker 8: your workflow, you need it's really important for most people
Speaker 8: to have blocks of time where they can actually do
Speaker 8: deep work, where they can actually do the work that
Speaker 8: they're getting paid to do, instead of being interrupted by
Speaker 8: meetings or chit tech conversations at the office or email.
Speaker 8: So you know, turn off all your devices if you
Speaker 8: can protect chunks of time.
Speaker 5: Because there's a guy named Pareto pa r Eto. He's
Speaker 5: a business EA.
Speaker 8: Kind of guy, and he says he's got this eighty
Speaker 8: twenty principle that says twenty percent of our actions account
Speaker 8: for eighty percent of our successful outcomes. So twenty percent
Speaker 8: of what we do, generally speaking, accounts for eighty percent
Speaker 8: of our successful outcomes.
Speaker 5: And the rest of what we do is.
Speaker 8: Extreme and perhaps unnecessary or certainly not as crucial as
Speaker 8: that twenty percent. So for everybody, if you can start
Speaker 8: looking at identifying what are the things that I do
Speaker 8: in my workday that give me the best outcomes and
Speaker 8: the most good outcomes, let me focus my attention on
Speaker 8: those at the start of the week, to the degree
Speaker 8: that I can to set myself up for a successful
Speaker 8: week the rest of the week, because part of sometimes
Speaker 8: what happens is you hit the ground in chaos on Monday,
Speaker 8: you play catch up on Tuesday or Wednesday. Now you're
Speaker 8: actually getting into the work that you need to do
Speaker 8: on Thursday and Friday, and then it's the weekend and
Speaker 8: you abruptly stop. So if you frontload the success in
Speaker 8: the week, then by Friday you're tying up loose ends,
Speaker 8: you're managing a few last minute things, and then you're
Speaker 8: off for the weekend, and it's an easier transition into
Speaker 8: the weekend and then an easier transition back into Monday.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, Yeah, you're doing it in little bits and
Speaker 1: pieces supposed all once. That makes a lot of sense,
Speaker 1: and you've got to be consistent with it too. I
Speaker 1: think that's the other important thing. Just turned in new
Speaker 1: habit is what you're saying.
Speaker 8: Yeah, habitually set up a workflow that makes sense for you.
Speaker 8: I know you and I've had a previous conversation about
Speaker 8: what time of day people are at their most productive,
Speaker 8: and it's different for everyone. So also, what day of
Speaker 8: the week are people most productive and I think that
Speaker 8: if you can find a large chunk of your productivity
Speaker 8: early in your week, then you can relax the end
Speaker 8: of your week, ease into your weekend, and the Sunday
Speaker 8: to Monday transition doesn't feel quite so abrupt because it
Speaker 8: wasn't abrupt Friday into Saturday.
Speaker 5: So it kind of creates a flow that makes sense.
Speaker 8: I think for many people, and many of us have
Speaker 8: the capacity to make those kinds of changes in the
Speaker 8: way that we work.
Speaker 1: All right, Julie Harris, you're talking about transition from a
Speaker 1: weekend to work week. That's all well and good. What
Speaker 1: if you really hate what you do. What if you'd
Speaker 1: like just absolutely get fearful and sick that you've got
Speaker 1: to go back to work on money? I know people
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 8: Oh, there are a lot of people like that, and
Speaker 8: that's why you have Julie Bee on every week to.
Speaker 5: Talk about your stuff.
Speaker 8: But then I think can become not so much focusing
Speaker 8: on what you do and whether you like it or not,
Speaker 8: but what what you do allows you to do, be
Speaker 8: and have in the rest of your life. I know
Speaker 8: a lot of people who really dislike their jobs but
Speaker 8: really love the life that the money or the job
Speaker 8: itself allows them to have. So I know people who
Speaker 8: travel for work a lot, and they don't really like
Speaker 8: traveling for work, but they love the miles that they
Speaker 8: rack up.
Speaker 5: They love the ability to.
Speaker 8: Maybe tack a day on on one end or the
Speaker 8: other and see a part of the country or the
Speaker 8: world they've never seen before. They love the opportunity to
Speaker 8: meet new people. They don't like it being away from
Speaker 8: home or their family, but they like the opportunities that
Speaker 8: that offers them. So focus on either if there are
Speaker 8: aspects of your job that are less awful, focus on those,
Speaker 8: but also what does your job allow you to be,
Speaker 8: or do or have that you couldn't be or do
Speaker 8: or have if you didn't do it, And look at
Speaker 8: it more as a means to an end than the
Speaker 8: end in itself.
Speaker 1: Which is more important. That's why it's so important to
Speaker 1: have outside work time too, so you can compartmentalize, you know,
Speaker 1: and hey, look, if your work you focus on what
Speaker 1: you're doing when you're not there, and especially if what
Speaker 1: you're doing when you're not at your job maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe you have a side hustle too or something,
Speaker 1: and you think about parlaying that into your full time job.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 8: Yes, side hustles are great because they can people with
Speaker 8: an exit strategy at work if they hate what they're doing.
Speaker 8: People with an exit strategy generally feel better than people
Speaker 8: who have no exit strategy, either because they haven't created
Speaker 8: one or they don't believe that they could access one.
Speaker 8: So if your side hustle is going to be your
Speaker 8: full time hustle at some point in time, working on
Speaker 8: that on your off hours can help make the work
Speaker 8: you're doing more tolerable, the job that you don't like
Speaker 8: more tolerable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense. And then, man,
Speaker 1: when you how do you do that on a vacation?
Speaker 1: Though it's one thing to say, hey, here's your pattern
Speaker 1: for the weekend, but you take a week off. Should
Speaker 1: you be doing a little bit each day? Do you
Speaker 1: wait till last? How does that? Because it sucks you
Speaker 1: get on vacation and then you have an avalanche of email.
Speaker 1: For example, when we went to our little Australia to
Speaker 1: our big Australia trip for two weeks, it took me
Speaker 1: a good week and a half to respond to emails
Speaker 1: because literally I had like a thous one thousand emails
Speaker 1: waiting for me after two weeks.
Speaker 3: So yes.
Speaker 8: So I think it's really important for people to protect
Speaker 8: vacation time. And I think it's really important to the
Speaker 8: degree that you possibly can, to let people know that
Speaker 8: you will not be responding while you're on vacation, that
Speaker 8: you will take some time to respond when you get back,
Speaker 8: because you will probably have an avalanche of projects and
Speaker 8: people and emails and phone calls and things to get
Speaker 8: back to immediately, and that you will get to them
Speaker 8: just as quickly as you can. But if it's super
Speaker 8: duper important, they should pin you again when they know
Speaker 8: you're going to be back in the office to move
Speaker 8: it to the top of your proority list. So I
Speaker 8: think setting the expectation ahead of time and holding fast
Speaker 8: to that, because you can say I'm unplugged, but then
Speaker 8: if you an answer an email or two, well, now
Speaker 8: people know you're not really unplugged. So if you intend
Speaker 8: to be set that expectation and hold fast to it,
Speaker 8: and then if you can, when you can, create a
Speaker 8: transition day for yourself if possible, So instead of coming
Speaker 8: back in late on Sunday night and starting work on Monday,
Speaker 8: maybe come back in on Saturday and having Sunday to
Speaker 8: transition back and get back into the work week on Monday,
Speaker 8: or maybe take that Monday off as well and start
Speaker 8: your work week on Tuesday. But set yourself a transition
Speaker 8: time to get everything cleaned up from the vacation, unpacked,
Speaker 8: put away and start working your way back into your
Speaker 8: work week and give.
Speaker 5: Yourself that buffer.
Speaker 8: Just plan that into your schedule if you possibly can.
Speaker 8: Can make a huge difference for how you re enter
Speaker 8: the work life after you've been on vacation.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it makes a lot of sense. She's Julie Hatters,
Speaker 1: your licensed mental health there pissed at bconnected dot care.
Speaker 1: If you want to reach out to her, it's hey,
Speaker 1: Julie at the letter be connected at dot care. She
Speaker 1: practices Clifton and right here in the Cincinnati. It's mental
Speaker 1: health Monday. Good stuff as we transition. Probably should have
Speaker 1: had you on Friday to get ready a little late now,
Speaker 1: isn't that we're back at work?
Speaker 5: Hi, You can start. You can start tonight for tomorrow.
Speaker 8: Just pretend you've got a Tuesday start of the week.
Speaker 1: Getting the groove. You gotta get in the groove right grind.
Speaker 1: I just think you probably don't have a good twenty
Speaker 1: thirty more years of this work and stuff. Just think
Speaker 1: what's in front of you. It's incredible. All the best,
Speaker 1: have a great week. Appreciate you, Thanks you too. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get a news updata in just about five minutes
Speaker 1: away here on seven hundred WLW. Much has been made
Speaker 1: of the fiscal impact of immigration, and the folks at
Speaker 1: Manhattan Institute have analyzed ten and twenty and thirty years
Speaker 1: of government data and all the programs we had in immigration,
Speaker 1: What we get right, what we get wrong? In the
Speaker 1: eye opening conclusion and maybe not as eye opening, is
Speaker 1: a fact that immigrants with advanced degrees tend to be
Speaker 1: a huge boon to our economy, whereas those who come
Speaker 1: in without such education tend to be a drain. But
Speaker 1: it also has to do with eight what age you
Speaker 1: immigrate to this country. It's an interesting outlook on things
Speaker 1: and would actually restore tens of millions of dollars to
Speaker 1: the bottom line, meaning reducing our deficit if we followed
Speaker 1: this plan. Really interesting stuff with Daniel de Martinez. He's
Speaker 1: next on the Scott Flown Show on seven hundred WW
Speaker 1: Cincinnati boone dot com seven hundred WLW. The immigration fights
Speaker 1: that were kneedeep into lots of fights including immigration get
Speaker 1: illegals out keep the legal ten But who out of
Speaker 1: that long line gets in who stays maybe a better
Speaker 1: question of who is rather than maybe how many and
Speaker 1: should the US admit them through reform and immigration system?
Speaker 1: Who should get in at this point? So the Manhattan
Speaker 1: Institute of their think tank, and they studied a ten
Speaker 1: and thirty year impacts of dozens of our nation's immigration
Speaker 1: policies over the years and categorize immigrants on tax revenue,
Speaker 1: federal spending GDP, population, and who gives us a benefit
Speaker 1: in who takes away? With the answers Daniel Di Martino
Speaker 1: of the Manhattan and Suit where he's a fellow, Daniel,
Speaker 1: welcome to show. How are you very good?
Speaker 6: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you find that if you're younger and you're educated,
Speaker 1: you have an advanced degree, those people generate large fiscal surpluses.
Speaker 1: They expand the economy. If you're low skilled, you tend
Speaker 1: to get more benefits than they contribute in taxes. That
Speaker 1: is the bottom line. And there's some other things we're
Speaker 1: going to get into here, but essentially that's the core
Speaker 1: of this thing that's really not surprising, is it.
Speaker 6: It is not because we have a progressive tax system
Speaker 6: and we have a welfare system that gives benefits to
Speaker 6: people based on how little they make. Right, So if
Speaker 6: you bring in a lot of four people or elderly
Speaker 6: people that will receive entitlements, then those people will be
Speaker 6: a next cost to the federal government.
Speaker 2: That's a no brainer.
Speaker 1: So why does the college degree make such a vast
Speaker 1: efforts And we're talking millions of dollars in that one
Speaker 1: person's financial impact and of course the lodge. What's driving that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people tell.
Speaker 6: Me, but you know, a college degree is and all
Speaker 6: you need. I'm like, of course, these are all averages.
Speaker 6: This doesn't mean that there are are immigrants for high
Speaker 6: school dropouts that do better, right. There are many college
Speaker 6: dropouts that create a big company, But that doesn't mean
Speaker 6: that that's the most common case.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: And you also have to understand that for immigrants, college
Speaker 6: degrees mean much more than for native born Americans. A
Speaker 6: college degree in a foreign country is a much rarer
Speaker 6: thing to have than in America. And so when you
Speaker 6: bring in people discriminating by education instead of anything else,
Speaker 6: you can assure yourself that that person comes from a
Speaker 6: much more elite background.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, we have countless
Speaker 1: people who have college degrees that complain they can't find
Speaker 1: a job in their chosen field and they have a
Speaker 1: degree and go, Okay, great, I can't service the loan
Speaker 1: that I took out to get that degree, and I'm
Speaker 1: doing something I don't want to do, and I never
Speaker 1: see myself getting ahead. And yet immigrants come to this
Speaker 1: country and touched and contribute to the GDP. Is it
Speaker 1: about degree choice? Are we talking about specific degrees here
Speaker 1: and not just a degree?
Speaker 6: Well, it's true that immigrants do you specialize like the
Speaker 6: immigrants that are sponsored to come in fields that are
Speaker 6: even more highly paid, so like medicine, stam areas. And
Speaker 6: also they just have an even an.
Speaker 2: Even higher education and go to different universities.
Speaker 6: Right, So you know, people talk about like people who
Speaker 6: graduate from the US University's Americans who get it a
Speaker 6: STEM degree, but it's an underground degree, you know, that
Speaker 6: counts biology, that counts like a regular engineering degree, and
Speaker 6: you're competing against people who have a master's degree or
Speaker 6: a PhD.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you can't get the job that you want.
Speaker 6: And then you also have the other fact, which is
Speaker 6: immigrant start businesses, so they expand the economy that way,
Speaker 6: the average immigrant does not look like the average person
Speaker 6: in that country. And then there's a lot of people
Speaker 6: who tell me, well, but we want to keep those
Speaker 6: jobs for Americans, right like, we don't want them to
Speaker 6: replace the native born college graduates or seeking opportunities, and
Speaker 6: that's that's just not how the labor market works. Well,
Speaker 6: you have more people in the labor market, you don't
Speaker 6: have the same number of jobs.
Speaker 5: There are relative wage effects.
Speaker 6: That is true, but because immigrants also at the highly
Speaker 6: educated level, you know, people like you at Musk who
Speaker 6: came on a twenty visis or people like Gens and Huang,
Speaker 6: they end up also increasing productivity and wages for people
Speaker 6: who are college educated.
Speaker 1: Dan, you found that a fifty year old immigrant looks
Speaker 1: great for the budget in year ten, so they immigrant
Speaker 1: by the time mistic okay, thanks are great to productive,
Speaker 1: but by year thirty, it's terrible. Child immigrant the exact opposite.
Speaker 1: It tends to be a net gain for this country.
Speaker 1: So in that regard, shouldn't we be encouraging things like
Speaker 1: doc and can you walk can you walk through us? Well,
Speaker 1: why that that flip happens?
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I these estimates on a ten and thirty
Speaker 6: year basis before I have done them last year on
Speaker 6: a lifetime basis. And the reason I switched to ten
Speaker 6: in thirty years is because of Congress. When they pass legislation,
Speaker 6: the Congressional Budget Office only cares about the ten year
Speaker 6: budget window and then secondarily about the thirty year budget window.
Speaker 2: So when they're.
Speaker 6: Decided to pat legislation, they need this estimate.
Speaker 2: Like I made it.
Speaker 6: And so that's a problem though, because you're right, a
Speaker 6: fifty year old limigrant on an average will look good
Speaker 6: over the next ten years because it's going to be
Speaker 6: from the age of fifty to age of sixty, and
Speaker 6: an immigrant who is ten years old, a child that
Speaker 6: comes with a family is going to look bad because
Speaker 6: it's not when I work from age ten to twenty.
Speaker 6: So that shifts over the third year window.
Speaker 2: Because then the older immigrant is going to.
Speaker 6: Collect security and Medicare and the young.
Speaker 2: Emion is going to start working.
Speaker 6: So people need to keep that in mind and understand
Speaker 6: these are averages and if you want to benefit the
Speaker 6: budget in the long run, you need younger people, and
Speaker 6: you need more educated people.
Speaker 1: Got to Dande d Martina Manhattan Institute breaking a study
Speaker 1: here of ten and thirty year impacts of immigration, and
Speaker 1: the bottom line is that education drives fiscal impact, but
Speaker 1: age matters a lot too. That young immigrants look costly
Speaker 1: in the short term but benefits in the long term.
Speaker 1: Middle aged immigrants show the opposite because they get the
Speaker 1: retirement benefits. And that's the flip that's going on here.
Speaker 1: Let me pivot to the H one visa debate that
Speaker 1: has become pretty controversial right with wanting to charge money
Speaker 1: and charging literally a small fortune to get that H
Speaker 1: one B. Some say it's essential or they say, well,
Speaker 1: we should just eliminate this thing. What is your data show, well, the.
Speaker 6: H one B regardless of what people think that based
Speaker 6: on the characteristics of the people who come on H
Speaker 6: one bs, they are the ones that pay the most
Speaker 6: taxes and receive the least government benefits of any of
Speaker 6: these categories. And so if you are a conservative and
Speaker 6: you are like like myself, I think you know what
Speaker 6: kind of the immigrant do you want to come to America?
Speaker 2: Do you want an immigrant.
Speaker 6: Who does not depend on the government, who speaks English,
Speaker 6: who have a job, who there's no coming crimes, and
Speaker 6: who you know, adopts American costumes. And if that's the case,
Speaker 6: then immigrants to commin H one with visas or any
Speaker 6: deal immigrant. That doesn't mean that it's a perfect system, right,
Speaker 6: it's a lottery, So you don't want to distribute the
Speaker 6: spots on a lottery but instead based on perhaps something
Speaker 6: more meritorious. But even then, the system is better than
Speaker 6: any other visa program that we have.
Speaker 1: On I see a lot of communities are changing because
Speaker 1: of H one B workers and they bring a tremendous
Speaker 1: amount of money to the show. Now the other side
Speaker 1: of this, and someone casual listening, go, okay, you got
Speaker 1: this guy from Manhattan, Daniel de Martine, who wants educated
Speaker 1: people with advanced degrees because they bring a small fortune
Speaker 1: and massive fortune, and even small fortune to the country
Speaker 1: could help balance the deficit and do all these wonderful things.
Speaker 1: They don't drain the system, and they're paying the taxes
Speaker 1: and that's helping older people, and that's all well and good.
Speaker 1: But does this simply mean that we don't need anyone
Speaker 1: who's not educated in America. We don't need that immigrant
Speaker 1: labor that we don't need people at the low end
Speaker 1: of the trunk.
Speaker 6: Well, America has a program called the H two A
Speaker 6: and the H TWOVVSA programs.
Speaker 2: The H two A is seasonal agricultural layer.
Speaker 6: Now, even though those are on you know, people who
Speaker 6: generally don't have a high school diploma, they're working in
Speaker 6: farms for low wages. The reality is that we didn't
Speaker 6: have them, the farms would shut down. It would be
Speaker 6: too expensive to farm in America. We would just import
Speaker 6: the food from other countries. But we cannot import everything,
Speaker 6: like we cannot import a hair card because you have
Speaker 6: to do it in person, but we can import.
Speaker 2: Every agricultural product. So the advantage is that.
Speaker 6: Yes, you keep that industry here, you create jobs for
Speaker 6: Americans and agriculture as well. And then the second it's seasonal,
Speaker 6: So these immigrants never stay. They leave after a season
Speaker 6: or two, and so they never collect government benefits. That
Speaker 6: is okay to have, well, you cannot have. It's allowing
Speaker 6: people who make very little money to immigranate permanently to
Speaker 6: the United States because if they do, the mass is
Speaker 6: that they will simply lower debt.
Speaker 1: They will I get the agriculture element because that's a
Speaker 1: national security issue. We can't farm out all of our food.
Speaker 1: We could be starved to death, right and quite honestly,
Speaker 1: it'd be a waste because of we're the world's bread
Speaker 1: basket here in the United States of America, produce lot
Speaker 1: of corn, soybeing, et cetera, et cetera. But on the
Speaker 1: regard that there's jobs that aren't in the farm fields,
Speaker 1: whatsoever that are Americans is going to fill that void.
Speaker 1: I mean working in a I don't know, a meat
Speaker 1: processing plant for example, or something along those lines. Where's
Speaker 1: physical labor building houses work, doing roof jobs, and construction
Speaker 1: and drywall and landscaping. Those are necessary jobs. It's seemingly
Speaker 1: and I know a little bit about this immigrant labor,
Speaker 1: if you completely got rid of that, it ceased to exist.
Speaker 1: I get that they you know, they live here, but
Speaker 1: they and a lot of them go and start their
Speaker 1: own business too. There's got to be a carve out
Speaker 1: for that, right because, let's face it, there are jobs
Speaker 1: out there we don't want our kids to take well.
Speaker 6: So the thing is that wages would change, even in agriculture,
Speaker 6: would change if you didn't have immigrant workers. The wages
Speaker 6: would increase. The problem is that for them cultural industry,
Speaker 6: it would just end the industry, right that we would
Speaker 6: just import the food. But that's not the case.
Speaker 2: And the same thing first for.
Speaker 6: Example tech, if we didn't have highly educated workers, what
Speaker 6: the tech industry is that they opened an office in
Speaker 6: Canada and then they do everything from there because everything's remote.
Speaker 6: So you would rather have those resources here. But the
Speaker 6: issue with other things like construction is that you would
Speaker 6: still have construction, it would just be a higher price
Speaker 6: that Even then, most of the cost of housing has
Speaker 6: nothing to do with construction and everything to do with materials,
Speaker 6: So you know, the tiers are harming or sony laws
Speaker 6: which we can change, so we don't really need or
Speaker 6: it wouldn't really be beneficial to have a lot of immigrants,
Speaker 6: low paid coming for construction because they will receive with
Speaker 6: just a lot of welfare.
Speaker 2: Alternatively, you could still.
Speaker 6: Have a guest worker program that is seasonal, ensuring that
Speaker 6: people go back and never stay permanently in collect entitlements.
Speaker 1: Daniel de Martinoz Manhattan Institute on Immigration. This morning on
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW SO we talked about younger educated immigrants
Speaker 1: and advanced degrees a huge boonda the economy we need
Speaker 1: more of them employment based high skilled visa holders not
Speaker 1: benefit there as well. What about extended family, Yeah.
Speaker 6: The extended relatives, which are most of the immigrants coming
Speaker 6: to America. They come with very little English proficiency, you know,
Speaker 6: medium to low levels of education, and they end up
Speaker 6: receiving more government benefits than taxes they pay. This is
Speaker 6: why my proposal to how we should change the imigration
Speaker 6: system is simply we take in all these extended relative
Speaker 6: pieces and we just give them out based on whether
Speaker 6: immigrants have a good English, whether they have a good education,
Speaker 6: whether they're young, whether they have a job offer in
Speaker 6: the United States, and then that's how the labor market
Speaker 6: comes through the gap, you know, without picking winners and losers.
Speaker 6: And then the employment based business that we already have,
Speaker 6: we just rank them to the highest paid instead, without
Speaker 6: care of the profession.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not about education, it's about who pays
Speaker 2: the most.
Speaker 6: If you are sponsoring a carpenter who's like incredible and
Speaker 6: he's getting paid one hundred and fifty K, then.
Speaker 2: Bring in the carpenter, Right. That's the market showing its
Speaker 2: signals through the price.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. When the family comes along, it's
Speaker 1: different but how many immigrants will that dissuade from coming
Speaker 1: to the United States if they can't bring their their wife,
Speaker 1: their kids, significant others, one.
Speaker 6: Of your mom or I'm not saying anything about wife
Speaker 6: and children. I'm just saying, eliminate the sibling category, the
Speaker 6: adult children category, who together they bring in one hundred
Speaker 6: and thirty one thousand people. You might say, well, now,
Speaker 6: but people want to bring in their siblings or they
Speaker 6: are adults, children, the relatives that they can't anymore anyway,
Speaker 6: because the system, the family system already existing, is so
Speaker 6: backlog that it takes twenty years.
Speaker 2: It is the same of it didn't exist. We need
Speaker 2: to get rid of it and give.
Speaker 6: It based from marriage instead. In fact, you seem more
Speaker 6: fair because if you're an imagiger living in Sao the
Speaker 6: Philippines and you don't have a relative in the US,
Speaker 6: when you're out of lack, you can't come. And no
Speaker 6: matter how educated you get, no matter how great you are,
Speaker 6: under a system based on your characteristics, you are not
Speaker 6: dependent on the law of how in a relative in
Speaker 6: America you come to a man and am of that.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the backlog, the tremendous backlog, which encourages illegal
Speaker 1: immigration here. I mean, if you have to wait twenty
Speaker 1: years fifteen twenty years for your case of here and
Speaker 1: possibly get at that point, why would you if you're
Speaker 1: coming from such an impoverished and most dangerous part of
Speaker 1: the world. I take my chances and slip across the border,
Speaker 1: fire them. It's a matter between life and death. Who's
Speaker 1: got fifteen twenty years to wait for your allowed to
Speaker 1: come to the United States of America. This would cut
Speaker 1: that down.
Speaker 2: I would think, yes, I think I would use the incentive.
Speaker 6: But at the same time, we have learned that if
Speaker 6: the president wants to, they can secure the border, and
Speaker 6: President Trump has so that's also not necessarily as important.
Speaker 1: Clearly, Yeah, we've got a government that can't function. I
Speaker 1: mean we're not functioning right now as we speak. As
Speaker 1: you know, Danielle, what's the political feasibility of this thing?
Speaker 1: You have to do some tremendous coalition building just to
Speaker 1: have someone hear this whole thing between family visa cuts
Speaker 1: and legalization with fees and deportations and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: It's a messy proposition. In reality, politics doesn't work that way.
Speaker 6: So absolutely, I'll say President Trump, with the funding that
Speaker 6: he got from the one big beautiful bill for deportations
Speaker 6: and all that's drunk enough, and hopefully, you know, soon
Speaker 6: we will know that the legality of the DAKA program
Speaker 6: from the Supreme courts. I think those two factors combined
Speaker 6: the fact that we already get done with the tax
Speaker 6: cuts and the spending debates and instead now it's probably
Speaker 6: going to go to another topic. Then that topif by
Speaker 6: the immigration. I think Trump has built leverage with the
Speaker 6: funding he got for the deportations, And if the Democrats
Speaker 6: were smart, they would come to the negotiating table, right,
Speaker 6: because you need sixty votes in the Senate to pass
Speaker 6: anything that's not budget related. So if the Democrats say,
Speaker 6: you know, we negotiate, we can legalize some people. Yes,
Speaker 6: the school will reduce family immigration, and we will bring
Speaker 6: in more high school immigrants. But if they don't negotiate,
Speaker 6: then maybe a million more people than deported. So we
Speaker 6: will know how much they really care about that very soon.
Speaker 1: Data d martinuz analyze this. You looked at ten and
Speaker 1: thirty year impacts of literally dozens of immigration policy US
Speaker 1: has had and categorizing the immigrants on tax revenue and
Speaker 1: population GDP, federal spending, and all that, if this were
Speaker 1: to come to fruition and we did it the way
Speaker 1: you suggest here, what are we looking at as far
Speaker 1: as a savings relative to the national debt?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so under my plan, which would just shift immigrant
Speaker 6: visas to ors more highly educated categories with a change
Speaker 6: nammaging to flow very much, actually reducing it a little bit,
Speaker 6: and then legalizing the people who are here legally as
Speaker 6: long as they pay without a fiveway to citizenship, but
Speaker 6: allowing them to work in state as long as they
Speaker 6: pay five thousand dollars a year for ten years of
Speaker 6: fifty k to reduce the debt, and they obviously they.
Speaker 2: Are not criminals.
Speaker 6: All that that will reduce the national debt from its
Speaker 6: current prijec story by twenty trillion dollars.
Speaker 2: Over thirty years.
Speaker 6: It will reduce or essentially over the long run, it
Speaker 6: would even stabilize or debt to gdpuration. That is important
Speaker 6: because it means we don't to cut.
Speaker 2: Some security or raise access. We pursue radical immigration reform
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the other element here too, of course, is
Speaker 1: unauthorized legal immigrants. But you're saying charging five thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a year for X number of years, and that would
Speaker 1: reduce the debt and they're burden on the system. But
Speaker 1: how realistic is that to actually.
Speaker 2: Execute the people who don't pay it.
Speaker 6: Then they are the sign targets for deportation because it
Speaker 6: means that they're not willing to pay it under stewer
Speaker 6: of them, so they're much easier to report.
Speaker 1: Very interesting, and that literally would take her. It's of course,
Speaker 1: you know, then we're back to the political question because
Speaker 1: Democrats had scream about fairness and these people don't have
Speaker 1: much already and they can't afford five thousand dollars and
Speaker 1: to shake down. But you know, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, we're all paying for this.
Speaker 2: Daniel de Martine.
Speaker 6: Yeah, America should not supposed to be the welfare state
Speaker 6: of the world.
Speaker 2: Right if you do not sustand yourself, I'm paid it
Speaker 2: after you broke the law.
Speaker 6: It seems like a really reasonable penalty that would benefit
Speaker 6: the nation.
Speaker 1: Seems like five grand to make this go away. Isn't
Speaker 1: that big an ask? I'll be honest with you, Daniel
Speaker 1: de Martino at the Manhattan Institute, thanks so much to
Speaker 1: the time. Really interesting, thank you. Yeah, I mean the
Speaker 1: program makes sense, but then you're gonna have the fields right, Well,
Speaker 1: you can't, you can't, Chary, you can't these people already,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, somebody's got to stand up for the
Speaker 1: And then, of course, you know, the thing stagnate, it
Speaker 1: gets water down, and what sounds like a pretty decent
Speaker 1: plan winds up while costing his money. That's the way
Speaker 1: government works. Scott's Loan Show with news in four minutes
Speaker 1: here seven hundred WLW Radio. But embarrassing a game you
Speaker 1: had well in hand against the winless team at pay
Speaker 1: Courts Stadium bends up thirty one sixteen and can't put
Speaker 1: it away, gave up what twenty three twenty in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter thirty nine points to A guy was benched
Speaker 1: by the worst team in football, justin Fields twenty one
Speaker 1: thirty two, two hundred and forty four yards a TD
Speaker 1: and no interceptions and coming off two games, by the way,
Speaker 1: with a quarterback rating under sixty, so bad that his
Speaker 1: owner demanded him to be benched, and he was until
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor got hurt. And now you've got Justin fieldsen
Speaker 1: Now he looks like every bit the guy that thought
Speaker 1: he was when they got him. No Garrett Wilson, no
Speaker 1: Josh Reynolds, one guy essentially on offense running the football,
Speaker 1: beat the Bengals yesterday thirty nine, thirty eight. The Bengals
Speaker 1: fall to three and five with Chicago on the schedule next.
Speaker 1: James or Penis here from SIS Bengals Talk dot com
Speaker 1: and the Daily Lockdown Bengals podcast. James, your head has
Speaker 1: to be reeling this morning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable, Scott, and I still
Speaker 3: even now what it at sixteen hours or whatever it
Speaker 3: is removed. I cannot believe they lost that game. And
Speaker 3: they had a fifteen point lead in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 3: a fourteen point lead in the fourth quarter, five different
Speaker 3: times they had a double digit lead in that game.
Speaker 3: And yet we are talking about a three and five
Speaker 3: team and a one in five team without Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: I remember when the Bengals back in twenty eighteen, they
Speaker 1: lost like fifty one fourteen to the Saints, and they
Speaker 1: got last time they got smoked in twenty ten by
Speaker 1: the Jets was thirty seven nothing. I thought, okay, that
Speaker 1: forty seven to ten loss against Minnesota just a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, I thought that is that this is
Speaker 1: up there with one of the worst in Bengals sister.
Speaker 1: I mean, think about this from a team that said
Speaker 1: really really really low lows. Where in your mind, James
Speaker 1: Rapene does this lost rank yesterday?
Speaker 3: Well, this could very well end up being the worst
Speaker 3: loss of the Zach Taylor era outside of you know,
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl from a meaning standpoint, but when this
Speaker 3: could do to this season and what would have happened
Speaker 3: if they had won it versus what they could go
Speaker 3: down in the past, they could go down now like
Speaker 3: this is this is one of those games where you're like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: I wonder, I wonder what the twenty twenty five Bengals
Speaker 3: would be like if they had won that game against
Speaker 3: the Tests, right, and instead they go on to win
Speaker 3: four games total, and they win one more game the
Speaker 3: rest of the way. Like I'm not saying that's going
Speaker 3: to happen, and I think there's enough talent, certainly on offense,
Speaker 3: but like, that's how it feels today, That's how it
Speaker 3: felt after the games and Jamar Chase is saying, ask Zach,
Speaker 3: and that's a question for Zach, and it just it
Speaker 3: felt like that was a big, big moment. So I
Speaker 3: think historically at a huge game huge loss because of
Speaker 3: what it could mean moving forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned the Super Bowl lost the Rams, but
Speaker 1: that was the blanket. I'm literally a quarter of a
Speaker 1: second he completes the ball, and it's a different story.
Speaker 1: The Bengals win the Super Bowl. We're that close. Bengals
Speaker 1: are that close. This is the exact opposite that. This
Speaker 1: was what a demoralizing defeat to come back to put
Speaker 1: it up by that much and then lose the lead
Speaker 1: so many times and then at the end get beat
Speaker 1: essentially on a half back pass. Who's this on? Who
Speaker 1: do you blame? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that is going to be something. There's layers
Speaker 3: to it, and you know, you can certainly start with
Speaker 3: the front office, but thinking that they should run it
Speaker 3: back with the defense that's been as bad as the
Speaker 3: defense was last year, and so for them to run
Speaker 3: it back and do basically what they did is they
Speaker 3: changed a few of the coaches, obviously defensive coordinator out
Speaker 3: of Golden and then they said, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 3: we'll get a nose tackle in here. What they needed
Speaker 3: one and that's going to fix it. Well it didn't
Speaker 3: fix it. In fact, it's worse. This is the worst
Speaker 3: base fin They are dead last in points per game
Speaker 3: nearly thirty two points per game given up, dead last,
Speaker 3: and rushing yards per game, dead last in yards per game,
Speaker 3: third last, and passing yards per game. You see are
Speaker 3: like they stick. Their defensive line has had a sack
Speaker 3: since Week five. Their last sack came in week six
Speaker 3: when Gino Stone, a safety, had a sack on Jordan
Speaker 3: Love in Green Bay. This defense stinks, and so it
Speaker 3: starts with the front office. But it isn't just there.
Speaker 3: Zach Taylor picked out Golden Al. Golden's not getting it done.
Speaker 3: Zack Taylor's the head coach. So I always resort back
Speaker 3: to that. I try to remind people he's not just
Speaker 3: the offensive side, right, He's the head coach. And so no,
Speaker 3: I think there's plenty of blame to go around. It
Speaker 3: starts at the top. It certainly trickles down to the
Speaker 3: coaching staff as well.
Speaker 1: When the coaches. Someone's got to step up and make
Speaker 1: a play. Someone's got to step up and make a play.
Speaker 1: The lack of playmakers, that's on Duke Tobin.
Speaker 3: Sure, no doubt in that is with without a doubt
Speaker 3: this defense. No one can debate it. Nobody. They do
Speaker 3: not have enough playmakers, and and we saw that yesterday.
Speaker 3: And by playmakers, I can also just break that down
Speaker 3: to guys who can tackle, Guys who can run and
Speaker 3: hie off of the block and a basic play can't tackle.
Speaker 1: Well, how do you look so good against Pittsburgh and
Speaker 1: then lay this egg?
Speaker 3: Well they didn't. That's what's that's what's so concerning. This
Speaker 3: isn't one bad quarter. Yeah, this was a defense that
Speaker 3: tried to give away that Pittsburg game and they let
Speaker 3: Pat fryer Muth get open and give up a sixty
Speaker 3: eight yard touchdown and lose the league, bumble the lead away.
Speaker 3: And yeah, they forced a couple of turnovers. And I
Speaker 3: get that that's great, but you need to be able
Speaker 3: to get off the field. And when you're up fourteen
Speaker 3: with and I tweeted this playout last night, when you're
Speaker 3: up fourteen thirty eight twenty four, eight minutes to go
Speaker 3: and the Jets are still comfortable running the ball, Like
Speaker 3: that's that's the biggest advice. Like that's so insulting, right,
Speaker 3: Like so insulting, Like you never see that across the league.
Speaker 3: I watched a ton of NFL football. If you're done
Speaker 3: two scores in the fourth quarter very rarely. You're not
Speaker 3: running the ballun you're not running ball in there running
Speaker 3: like crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but that is the only weapon. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at the injuries that the love the oh and
Speaker 1: seven New York Jets came in and everybody was hurt.
Speaker 1: We thought, oh, this is gonna be a good to
Speaker 1: see Sauce Gardner homecoming weekend at you see see how
Speaker 1: he matches up against Chase and that'd be kind of fun,
Speaker 1: right because he shut him down last time. Maybe some revenge.
Speaker 1: Now he's out, Your top two, your receivers are Garrett
Speaker 1: Wilson's out. Everyone in the building knew and everyone watching
Speaker 1: it new that Brees Hall was the only weapon they had.
Speaker 1: The only threat you had was Breese Hall. How did
Speaker 1: he at one hundred and thirty three yards and what
Speaker 1: two touchdowns? And of course you're the game winner? How
Speaker 1: is that possible?
Speaker 3: And that's where I looked at the coaching because if
Speaker 3: you pay attention to and I posted all the postgame comments,
Speaker 3: but like Jamar Chase on the final drive when the
Speaker 3: Bengals are down and if they gotta have a moment,
Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, they ran double double on me and
Speaker 3: t because why they didn't want Jamar and Key to
Speaker 3: beat them, so they double team both of those guys.
Speaker 3: If you know Breese Hall is the only dude that
Speaker 3: can beat you realistically, is that there some way coaching
Speaker 3: wise you can make sure he does not beat you.
Speaker 3: And he did over and over and over again in
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, when again they were so comfortable running
Speaker 3: the ball and getting explosive runs and trunk plays on
Speaker 3: the ground that they were running the ball late in
Speaker 3: this game down two scores.
Speaker 1: Back to the play calling Taylor and his Marvin S
Speaker 1: clock management. I don't know what he was doing midfield,
Speaker 1: and it runs it with forty two seconds left, one
Speaker 1: yard gain on a running play when you're trying to
Speaker 1: score and then you're trying to hit Andrey Josavas twice
Speaker 1: with the game on the line. You're completely a coach there.
Speaker 1: What would you look at that and go that's hip,
Speaker 1: that's bush league.
Speaker 3: Well, this is where coaching slash the offense comes in,
Speaker 3: because as bad as the defense was, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 3: the offense still could have done it back. We could
Speaker 3: have been talking about a four and fourteen that needs
Speaker 3: to figure out the defense. But hey, they went too
Speaker 3: straight and so games on the line. You get a
Speaker 3: first down by hanging it off to Chase Brown and
Speaker 3: so all right, you're at the forty five yard line.
Speaker 3: I like the first down play to Andrey Yosavash. It
Speaker 3: was a it was a steam ball. It's really tough catch.
Speaker 3: He didn't catch it clean and then he gets hit.
Speaker 3: But like, I like the idea of it, because if
Speaker 3: that ball is complete, your infield goal range boom right
Speaker 3: away second bound. And this is where it falls apart
Speaker 3: is you run it with p rhyme, don't get it,
Speaker 3: have to call it time out. Now it's third and long.
Speaker 3: Guess what the whole world knows you're going to throw
Speaker 3: it yep, and it makes it makes it much much tougher.
Speaker 3: Joe Blacker has to throw it away. Fourth down. Guess
Speaker 3: what they do. They take away the bengals two best
Speaker 3: players by double teaming them, and then you have to
Speaker 3: go to andre Josabash and so yeah, I totally get that.
Speaker 1: So the second down run is a huge play.
Speaker 3: And then then on the drive fire they had to
Speaker 3: punt give the ball back to the Jets and they're
Speaker 3: only up six. The fact that you don't run it,
Speaker 3: the fact that you're just passing on that drive and
Speaker 3: you go three and out. That's another area. So like
Speaker 3: when things started to get tight, the Bengals got tight
Speaker 3: on offense, they needed to get one more score and
Speaker 3: at that point, you know it, you know you're going
Speaker 3: to have to score one more time, and they didn't.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I do think that the defense is
Speaker 3: going to take a ton of blame, and rightfully so.
Speaker 3: We spent plenty of time talking about the defense, but
Speaker 3: this offense and Zach Taylor, they should have could have
Speaker 3: and didn't deliver with the game on the line on
Speaker 3: those final two drives as good as they were all
Speaker 3: day long. And I did it thirty eight points five,
Speaker 3: but forty one is what it took to win the game,
Speaker 3: and they needed to go get a field goal and
Speaker 3: they didn't do it right.
Speaker 1: And it's not the tail and it's the play calling.
Speaker 1: This questionable, But above that is the defensive coaching. You
Speaker 1: know what's shanged with Al Golden replacing lou An Aaruma.
Speaker 1: They gave up over five hundred yards total offense to
Speaker 1: the freaking Jets. Jets haven't had that much offense and
Speaker 1: like flat well since the last time they played the Bengals.
Speaker 1: I think eleven sacks Bengals in the cellar the league.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 1: They can't rush the pass, they can't stop the run.
Speaker 1: And this is what a bad Jets team, made worse
Speaker 1: by the fact that all their quote unquote stars were
Speaker 1: pretty much out except for Briest Hall, who killed you.
Speaker 1: And so I look at that and go, defensively, we
Speaker 1: got al Golden, they're great. Lou Anarumo seems to be
Speaker 1: doing a k and Indy, yeah he does.
Speaker 3: And that's that was what Lou was frustrated with. Like,
Speaker 3: he was frustrated with the lack of talent, right yep.
Speaker 3: And and the Bengals said, well, we've given you.
Speaker 1: A lot of talent.
Speaker 3: We've invested all these draft picks and and that's where
Speaker 3: the disconnects was. And I think, one, you better get
Speaker 3: better at drafting too. I do think Lou was wrong
Speaker 3: in the tooth here and there were some things that
Speaker 3: needed to change, so like, but clearly it wasn't just
Speaker 3: literally Lou wasn't just a bad man and way off
Speaker 3: his rocker and wrong and you know, and that's what
Speaker 3: we're seeing, and that's that's what I think is it
Speaker 3: could be such a why this could be such a
Speaker 3: era defining not just season defining, era defining loss, because
Speaker 3: it feels like if we if we look up a
Speaker 3: few months from now, when we're talking about a new
Speaker 3: coaching staff and changes to the front office and all
Speaker 3: these that could come, well, guess what you're going to
Speaker 3: point to that Judge game where if they win their
Speaker 3: four and four their half game back in the North
Speaker 3: because the Packers shamble business last night. What a missed
Speaker 3: opportunity by this Bengals team to not get back to
Speaker 3: five hundred and be right there in the division and
Speaker 3: instead you you fumble it away.
Speaker 1: You know, Pittty, You look at Pittsburgh. Man, it's a
Speaker 1: game that probably should liten. They want to put in
Speaker 1: that game. Everybody feels good. No one said, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: the Jets are going to come in and beat the Bess.
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, going in and like, hey watch
Speaker 1: out and seventeams man, oh, seven teams. Oh, in any
Speaker 1: team right in any league. They're a dangerous team. They'll
Speaker 1: do anything to win. But then you saw the injuris,
Speaker 1: like there's no way, there's no way they can pull
Speaker 1: off this win. And yet they did and as much
Speaker 1: as you talk about Okay, well Luina Roumo long in
Speaker 1: the tooth, put Al Golden in their new systems. It's
Speaker 1: the talent that they're getting, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Miles Murphy Shamar Stewart aren't getting the Bengals enough production
Speaker 1: in the investment they made. Let's face it, Miles Murphy's
Speaker 1: not exactly tearing the house down here. Stuart Okay, he
Speaker 1: sat out miss four games of the ankle. I get
Speaker 1: that he was non existent. CTV Logan will sing good
Speaker 1: run on the list all the guys that they brought
Speaker 1: back too, and said, Okay, we're just gonna stand pat here.
Speaker 1: Look what's happening. That's that's above El Golden, that's above
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor.
Speaker 3: Sure, there's no doubt.
Speaker 7: And I think.
Speaker 3: That's why when they during free agency, because I'm really known,
Speaker 3: like there's not there's not someone in Cincinnati media that
Speaker 3: pushes for free agents and veterans more than me. I'm
Speaker 3: really loud about it because I want them to do it.
Speaker 3: And so guess what I've been loud about. I've been
Speaker 3: loud about it since I've worked with Mo every day
Speaker 3: down right right. I just I want them to make
Speaker 3: moves because guess what, that's what wins in the NFL
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five. You gotta beograss, you gotta go
Speaker 3: gate guys, you just do. And they didn't.
Speaker 7: They're big.
Speaker 3: Their big move this offseason was getting Jamar and t
Speaker 3: done during free agency when they could be talking to
Speaker 3: these other guys right and.
Speaker 1: Bold and drag that whole thing out. And it's just
Speaker 1: and Trey.
Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah, I mean, it's just all of those
Speaker 3: that can wait till after mid March when you need
Speaker 3: to be focused on bringing an outside talent that can
Speaker 3: stop the run and tackle and do all of the things,
Speaker 3: the basic things that you need to do as an
Speaker 3: NFL football player that happens to play on defense. And
Speaker 3: so that's where that's where it started. And then it
Speaker 3: was like, oh, well, maybe the scheme will work, and
Speaker 3: some of these rookies will work and some of these
Speaker 3: young players will play better and all those things.
Speaker 1: It just has not.
Speaker 3: It has not worked. I mean, I agree with you.
Speaker 3: How does Schamar Stewart not have a quarterback hit yesterday
Speaker 3: against you know, like you need him to be that
Speaker 3: guy and he just hasn't been.
Speaker 1: That is that coaching, Is it bad drafting?
Speaker 7: Is it not?
Speaker 1: I think that that's all should be on the table.
Speaker 1: And I'll mention too, they're one superstar and Trey Hendrickson
Speaker 1: he got that light bio as a cheap shots? What
Speaker 1: have looked like to me? The way he left off
Speaker 1: that field with that hit again, I don't know when
Speaker 1: he's coming back. I really don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I agree it would be a cheap shot,
Speaker 3: borderline dirty, you might call it thirty and and yeah,
Speaker 3: now where is your past run? Where is it coming from?
Speaker 3: Shamar Stewart. We knew he was a raw prospect, but
Speaker 3: you need it, you got to have it now, and
Speaker 3: they didn't get it.
Speaker 1: And the Bears are better than the Jet Jets, that's
Speaker 1: for sure. And they're coming to town Sunday.
Speaker 3: Everyone's better than the Jets. That Jets teams still terrible.
Speaker 3: That Jets teams stinks. So for them to lose to that,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just there's we're not going to look
Speaker 3: back at in five week. Should be like, oh, we
Speaker 3: see you. The Judts were good. No they're not, No, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: just terrible.
Speaker 1: James Rapeene with Bengals Talk dot Com locked on Bengals podcast.
Speaker 1: He should be doing two podcasts four podcasts today with
Speaker 1: all this material. But I won't tell you how to
Speaker 1: you do your job, James, with somebody to tell the Bengals,
Speaker 1: the defense how to do their job, to do their job.
Speaker 1: I understand that the Bengals defense was in charge of
Speaker 1: the Marty Brenman statue guarding it the night the microphone
Speaker 1: got stolen. So I don't know what the hell to
Speaker 1: make of anything in this town with our sports teams.
Speaker 1: I really really don't. The Bengals were just got awful yesterday.
Speaker 1: There's no excuse for it, and I've been around long
Speaker 1: enough to know it's not gonna change anytime soon. James,
Speaker 1: all the best, Budd appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I heard they tried to tackle the guy who took
Speaker 3: the mic. They got away.
Speaker 1: He got away right in the end zone. Well the microphone,
Speaker 1: see it, Budd, appreciate it. Got to get to a
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