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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 4: The Bye week edition of the Tony and moul Football Show.

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Speaker 4: Let's start to it here at Twin Peaks at Westchester.

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Speaker 4: We are here until six o'clock. Moeger and Tony Pike,

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Speaker 4: A day after the Bengals did not lose. A bye

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Speaker 4: week for Cincinnati, a bye week for the Bearcats, a

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Speaker 4: bye week for the Bengals, Yet no shortage of things

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Speaker 4: to discuss over the course of the next two hours

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Speaker 4: and forty six minutes. You just heard Joe Burrow live

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Speaker 4: on ESPN fifteen thirty chatting with the media down there

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Speaker 4: at the avenue originally known as Paul Brown Stadium. On

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Speaker 4: the day we found out that he has been cleared

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Speaker 4: to return. He is practicing, though on a very limited scale.

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Speaker 4: So not a very busy weekend, but a newsworthy Monday

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Speaker 4: for the Bengals tone huge.

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Speaker 5: The only news of the weekend essentially were the Bearcats

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Speaker 5: one Friday night, an FC Cincinnati got rid of Columbus

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Speaker 5: on Saturday. And now we get this and you know

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Speaker 5: the interesting part is now the twenty one day window.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 5: I think when this happened, I think everyone was like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: Miami would be today, Circle circle Miami. If you're looking

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Speaker 5: at the twenty one day window, and then you follow

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Speaker 5: along with what Jake Glacier reported today, Now you're starting

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Speaker 5: to think of maybe even Thanksgiving against the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 3: That's where my head is now.

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Speaker 4: The question is number one, when he plays, if he

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Speaker 4: plays against Baltimore on Thanksgiving, will he play defense? And

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Speaker 4: number two, can Flacco play defense? What will the Bengals

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Speaker 4: record be going into that game. Those to me, I.

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Speaker 6: Just I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know anything. I haven't been told anything.

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Speaker 4: I just I feel like this setting it this setting

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Speaker 4: I feel like this is setting itself up for Joe

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Speaker 4: Burrow to make his triumphant return in Baltimore on Thanksgiving night.

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Speaker 7: Are they playing for anything in the playoffs? Is the

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Speaker 5: And it's been such a surreal day because every message

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Speaker 5: I've received has been why, like instead of the excitement,

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Speaker 5: because put the shoe on the other foot. They score

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Speaker 5: thirty eight and forty two. If they win both of those,

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Speaker 5: they're five and four, and then you get the shot

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Speaker 5: in the arm of this message today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it just feels.

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Speaker 5: Different at three and six, and you wonder how much

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Speaker 5: and find a way to win. Arguably the best team

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Speaker 5: New England Patriots. It's it's a little bit different how

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Speaker 5: I expected this news to go over based on the response.

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Speaker 4: You've heard, Well, I'll give you my reaction. Number one cool.

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Speaker 4: Number two that doesn't fix their problem now is say

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Speaker 4: what you want about how great Joe Flacco has been

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Speaker 4: The Bengals problem in the last three weeks has not

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Speaker 3: So my first thought was, that's cool.

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Speaker 4: If they were losing games during Joe's absence ten to seven.

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Speaker 4: So sign me up for Joe Burrow inching closer to health.

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Speaker 4: Sign me up for a ten sign that you know what.

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Speaker 4: That window we talked about in mid December, now that's

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Speaker 4: until six o'clock. So Joe Burrow has returned to practice

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Speaker 4: limited capacity. Zach Taylor earlier today said they're not planning

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Speaker 4: But you talked about how most people that you have

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Speaker 4: So here are my show notes from this morning. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: because I was gonna start with what happened last night

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Speaker 4: There were the AFC North odds. This is as of

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Speaker 4: about ten thirty this morning. Baltimore the clear favorite minus

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Speaker 4: two seventy, Pittsburgh plus two seventy, Cincinnati plus seventeen hundred.

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Speaker 7: That's significant.

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Speaker 3: It's significant movement.

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Speaker 5: That's a significant jump, and if they beat Pittsburgh that

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Speaker 5: And I genuine I think Joe Burrow is one of

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Speaker 5: I think I think it speaks to the work ethic

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Speaker 5: it would be very easy to watch what's transpired and

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Speaker 5: Push this too far. Not only is you want to

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Speaker 4: I think if Joe Burrow wants to play, he's gonna play.

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Speaker 4: I don't care if they're three and eight. I don't

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Speaker 3: That's a game.

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Speaker 4: On Sunday with your season hanging in the balance and

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Speaker 5: Hard part and Joe Goodburry put it out there on

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Speaker 5: out though in weeks one through nine. Since twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 4: And they're just gonna have to be better at getting turnovers.

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Speaker 5: I talked about this with Austin all the time. Al Golden,

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Speaker 7: So it's a lot to take in.

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Speaker 5: You got a defense right now full of misfits. Trey

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Speaker 4: It's again the Alt Golden comparison. I will make is

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Speaker 4: The Bengals could still play in some very meaningful football games.

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Speaker 3: Can I get that from Al Golden.

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Speaker 5: At this point with Chris Greer gone, are you gonna

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Speaker 4: Yeah, although he nearly committed a faux pall before halftime

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Speaker 5: But last year the thing was doesn't matter what happens

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Speaker 5: It does matter on defense because we're not talking about

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Speaker 4: College Basketball Tonight, Xavier hooks up with Santa Clair at

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Speaker 4: eight thirty this evening. The game live on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 4: The FC Cincinnati Miami Tilt on the twenty third of November.

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Speaker 4: We'll start at five o'clock as the Orange and Blue

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Speaker 4: advances to the Eastern Conference Semifinals after a thrilling and

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Speaker 4: stirring two to one victory in Game three over Columbus

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Speaker 4: on Saturday night in the Columbus Blue Jacket Skate Tonight

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Speaker 4: at Edmonton, Tony and Mel Football Show, Twin Peaks Westchester,

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Speaker 4: the bye week ndition, Joe Burrow back practicing.

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Speaker 7: What a day we will see, what a week it'll be.

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Speaker 5: And as you mentioned, your your Bearcats, your Flyers, Tomorrow night's.

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Speaker 7: Tough night for you. Always on the calendar, hate it,

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Speaker 7: hate it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I hated a lot of what I watched on

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Speaker 5: Friday night, So hopefully that's better.

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Speaker 3: Not the most encouraging effort, was it?

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Speaker 7: No? No, you know, last two was it the.

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Speaker 3: Most encouraging performance by the day and Flyers on Saturday?

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Speaker 7: Also true.

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Speaker 5: This team's got a long way to go before uh

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Speaker 5: Louisville next Friday night.

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Speaker 4: All Right, My quick take on it is last year's team.

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Speaker 4: A lot of good players, pieces didn't fit. Yeah, By

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Speaker 4: the way, look at where some of those players have

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Speaker 4: ended up and look how they have started at their

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Speaker 4: new schools. A lot of good players, pieces didn't fit.

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Speaker 4: The first two games of this season. You kind of

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Speaker 4: say the same thing. A lot of good players do

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Speaker 4: the pieces fit. Yeah, I don't think they did on Friday. No,

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Speaker 4: it's November. There's plenty of time, big picture.

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Speaker 5: But you're thinking like watching that Friday, like, all right,

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Speaker 5: one more tune up before a good contest. Yeah, with

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Speaker 5: Dayton coming in? Yeah, how do you make the most

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Speaker 5: of it? It was not inspiring by any means on

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Speaker 5: Friday night.

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Speaker 4: Poor outside shooting, poor free throw shooting, lots of turnovers. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and an offense that it just didn't connect just to Yeah, yep,

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Speaker 4: I hate that they play it is.

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Speaker 3: I want more regional games. I don't want this one.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 5: I'm not conflicted. You know who I'd rest, Yes, but

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Speaker 5: I don't like it.

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Speaker 4: I don't like it. Since we last talked on this show,

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Speaker 4: the NFL trade deadline is coming gone. The Bengals did

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Speaker 4: not trade Trey Hendrickson. It is being reported that the

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Speaker 4: best offer of the Bengals got was for a fourth

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Speaker 4: round pick.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: When I read that today, to me, I don't blame

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Speaker 5: the Bengals for not moving Trey Hendrickson. No, I don't either,

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Speaker 5: like that been reported today, Like, hey, the Bengals they

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Speaker 5: only received one offer for a second rounder, then I

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Speaker 5: would have been like what are we doing?

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Speaker 7: Like second rounder?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I would have maybe even jumped at a third rounder,

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Speaker 5: fourth rounder for the defense, I mean, sac leader in

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Speaker 5: the National Football League and still a great player when

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Speaker 5: he's healthy. I think that's too low. I think that's

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Speaker 5: enough for me to say, Okay, let's hang on to him.

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Speaker 5: Anything higher I think I would have probably lean to

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Speaker 5: jump on it. But fourth round, I think is almost

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Speaker 5: disrespectful for Trey Henderson.

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Speaker 4: I think the part of the Trey Hendrickson conversation that

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Speaker 4: didn't materialize the way it should have leaning up to

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Speaker 4: the trade deadline is the part where you have to

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Speaker 4: acknowledge he's hurt.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's I think what we're learning today as well.

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Speaker 5: You don't play, you go into a bye, you come

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Speaker 5: out of a bye, and already you're doubtful. Right, Like

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Speaker 5: if Zach Taylor's on the podium today, like, hey, we'll

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Speaker 5: see this week with Trey, because Zach usually holds stuff

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Speaker 5: pretty close to the vest Monday, doubtful. That's not ideal

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Speaker 5: for a guy that just had a whole week to

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Speaker 5: rest and recoup and get healthy. That's worrisome. And I

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Speaker 5: wonder how many teams that reached out you know, were

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Speaker 5: made aware or you know, asked a little bit more

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Speaker 5: about the injury and maybe shielded from giving anything higher

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Speaker 5: than a fourth.

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Speaker 4: Since we last did this show together, Logan Wilson has

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Speaker 4: been traded, issued a farewell message and didn't mention Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that was odd.

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Speaker 5: It was odd in a sense that he went out

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Speaker 5: of his way to single out a ton of players,

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Speaker 5: a ton of people coaches, position players, defensive coordinators that

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Speaker 5: have impacted him along the way, and left out the

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Speaker 5: head coach.

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Speaker 7: Seemingly weird.

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Speaker 5: Also, you feel for the guy from going to the

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Speaker 5: worst defense in the NFL or the second worst defense

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Speaker 5: in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: As I said on social media, it was like being

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Speaker 4: treated from the Titanic to the Hindenburg.

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Speaker 6: Dang.

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Speaker 4: I think Logan Wilson only at that statement so he

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Speaker 4: could ignore Zach.

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Speaker 3: Taylor on it. Yeah, that's the only reason he said that.

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Speaker 5: That's the only reason you said anything like that. It's

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Speaker 5: the only reason you go out of your way to

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Speaker 5: mention some people and not the head coach. Correct if

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Speaker 5: it was just like, I want to thank the organization

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Speaker 5: as a whole, players, coaches, evers, fans. Then you keep

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Speaker 5: it broad when you sing, so many people out because

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Speaker 5: that was the only take from it, Like no, it

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Speaker 5: was like, oh, what a heartfelt trait was right. He

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Speaker 5: didn't say anything about Zach You.

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Speaker 4: Know I noticed during your brief time away. Yeah, you

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Speaker 4: didn't mention me in your farewell.

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Speaker 7: No, nope.

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Speaker 5: Oh my second my main farewell was going to come

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Speaker 5: after that, after I gathered myself and sat back and

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Speaker 5: listened to the obituaries be read.

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Speaker 4: And since we last talked, the Bengals have not fired anybody,

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Speaker 4: have not moved on from anybody. I think there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of folks. You know, you and I were doing

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Speaker 4: the show last Monday. The Bengals had just lost another

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Speaker 4: game in heartbreaking fashion to the Chicago Bears, and I

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Speaker 4: think there are a lot of folks who woke up

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Speaker 4: last Monday morning thinking, well, they'll do something.

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Speaker 7: They do not.

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Speaker 5: I get that it's maybe too early to pull the

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Speaker 5: plug on Al Golden. What surprises me? And we have

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Speaker 5: a caller on three sixty John from Boston that calls in.

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Speaker 7: He's a Patriot fan.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and he has been Adaman since day one. Jerry

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Speaker 5: Montgomery and Scott Peters were at the helm of some

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Speaker 5: of the worst units in football last year in New

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Speaker 5: England and look what you've done now. New England is

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Speaker 5: a team we're talking about as potentially the best team

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Speaker 5: in the AFC, while here are the struggles on both

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Speaker 5: lines for the Bengals. So it's one thing to say,

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Speaker 5: well and not moving on from Duke or Zach or

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Speaker 5: any of the coordinators.

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Speaker 7: Would you have been alarmed?

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Speaker 5: Would you have would shockwaves have been sent to the

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Speaker 5: city if you had moved on from an O line

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Speaker 5: or D line coach that has underperformed for much of

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Speaker 5: the year Like that to me was a little surprising, But.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't surprised at all.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, were you more surprised by that? Or that we

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Speaker 5: didn't hear anything from Duke Tobin during the bye? Not

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Speaker 5: that we ever do, but I just thought, like for me,

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Speaker 5: I just thought it would have went a long way

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Speaker 5: with where the franchise is, things spiraling out of control

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Speaker 5: the last two games before the bye, and how bad

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Speaker 5: they were, it would be nice for someone to get

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Speaker 5: up and say, Okay, it's not been good enough. We've

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Speaker 5: got a plan to identify the problems and address them.

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Speaker 5: And you don't even need to go into the details.

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Speaker 5: But it just would have showed a little bit of urgency.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: If, oh man, we really don't hear from Duke Tobin

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Speaker 5: at all, but he's going to speak during the bye week,

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Speaker 5: I think that would be that would have been important.

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Speaker 5: I think that would have went a long way to

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Speaker 5: a lot of folks.

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Speaker 4: My take on this, and I talked about it last week,

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Speaker 4: is if I was Duke Tobin and I have my

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Speaker 4: coach three times per week have to answer questions for

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Speaker 4: things that I'm responsible for, I would have taken the

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Speaker 4: bye week as an opportunity to go, you know what, Zach,

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Speaker 4: you don't take care of it?

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Speaker 3: I got it, yep.

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Speaker 4: I just on a human level, I refuse to believe

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Speaker 4: that the people that Duke Tobin works for would not

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Speaker 4: let him do that. Like if Duke said, you know what,

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Speaker 4: my roster decisions are fair game, I'll answer for them.

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Speaker 4: I'll try to explain as best I can why I

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Speaker 4: think we are where we are and where we're going

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Speaker 4: to go. I cannot imagine that the people that Duke

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Speaker 4: works for would say, Nope, you're not allowed to do that.

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Speaker 4: I just if I was Duke, I have Jamar Chase

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Speaker 4: having to answer questions about my defense. I have Chase

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Speaker 4: Brown having to answer questions about my defense. Heck, Joe

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Speaker 4: Burrow today having to answer questions about my defense the

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Speaker 4: head coach of the team. That coach of the team

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Speaker 4: is basically the spokesperson for the organization. He's obviously very

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Speaker 4: complicit in the team's demise. But I would say to

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Speaker 4: Zach Taylor and those players, you know what, it's time

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Speaker 4: for me to take some medicine. And for this week

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Speaker 4: and maybe this week only, I'll be the guy who

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Speaker 4: answers the questions about a roster that I am primarily

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Speaker 4: responsible for.

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Speaker 5: Also a tough week as a player personnel guy to

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Speaker 5: watch on a bye week. Former players of the Bengals

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Speaker 5: have such impact in games. Yep, Sheldon Rankins had a

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Speaker 5: defensive touchdown yesterday. Jesse Bates force fumble in an interception.

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Speaker 5: Who's the guy for the Jets the returner? It's Isaiah

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Speaker 5: Williams score a touchdown on a return. I mean DJ

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Speaker 5: readers played at a highlight Shadobi a Woozia like there

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Speaker 5: were every time I feel like I looked at a

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Speaker 5: highlight yesterday, I was like, Oh, that's a former Bengal,

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Speaker 5: Oh that's a former Bengal And meanwhile, during a bye week,

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Speaker 5: you don't get to hear from anyone in the personnel

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Speaker 5: department about how the roster is currently constructed and players

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Speaker 5: that are no longer here and why they're not here,

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Speaker 5: and what the plan is getting better going forward. I

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Speaker 5: think that's a miss on all levels in this organization.

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Speaker 5: But to you, at your point, you expect Zach Taylor

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Speaker 5: to get up there and take fire and have to

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Speaker 5: answer all these questions and go to bat for everybody,

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Speaker 5: and you ask the same thing of your players. He

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Speaker 5: has the same thing of Joe Burrow today, who's working

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Speaker 5: on his tail off to get better, to get back

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Speaker 5: to this team way earlier than anyone thought, and he's

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Speaker 5: got to take questions about the defense and about the

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Speaker 5: players out there. And yet Duke Tobin never seen from,

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Speaker 5: never heard. I think that's weak on all accounts. And

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Speaker 5: it's not like he's not being given time.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's weak.

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Speaker 4: And also I think there there's a lot of confusion

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Speaker 4: as to who's calling the shots. I think there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of built in confusion as to who does what,

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Speaker 4: who's responsible for what. And I think in part Duke

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Speaker 4: Tobin's relative anonymity feeds that, and so I get for me.

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Speaker 4: And again, if I'm putting myself in Duke tobin shoes,

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Speaker 4: I go, you know what, the team that I built

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Speaker 4: is not living up to expectation. I have to answer

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Speaker 4: for this. Yeah, throw the questions at me. Nobody may

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Speaker 4: like the answers. Chances are nobody would. I just I

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Speaker 4: think it's a weak act when you hide, and Duke Tobin,

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Speaker 4: in very adverse times is hiding. I respect the heck

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Speaker 4: gut of the fact that when they're good, it's not

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Speaker 4: like Duke Tobin makes himself available and takes all the credit.

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Speaker 3: I think there's something cool about that.

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Speaker 4: But when times are tough and other have to answer

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Speaker 4: for things that they're not responsible for and you hide,

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Speaker 4: that is weak as hell.

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Speaker 5: For three years now, all I've wanted to know was

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Speaker 5: how that working relationship with Zach and Duke operates, because

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Speaker 5: for three years I've wondered, it doesn't feel like the

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Speaker 5: personnel in the scheme match when you're evaluating talent Duke Tobin.

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Speaker 7: How involved does Zach Taylor with you?

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Speaker 5: What does that relationship look like on a day to

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Speaker 5: day basis, in season out of season? Because the longer

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Speaker 5: this goes on, the more I'm convinced they don't talk.

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Speaker 5: That's how I view it, because there's no way that

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Speaker 5: the personnel that is on this roster matches the scheme

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Speaker 5: that Zach Taylor's trying to run. And that to me, okay,

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Speaker 5: does that trickle into the defense.

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 5: How much does Duke Tobin and Al Golden talk like

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Speaker 5: did I'll come in and say, okay, if you want

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Speaker 5: me to be successful, these are the types of players

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Speaker 5: I need? Or is it Duke saying here are the

686
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Speaker 5: players you have make it work? Because those types of

687
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Speaker 5: relationships don't work like that? To me, I come back

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Speaker 5: during this bye, I've thought time and time again about

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Speaker 5: just the word urgency within the organization. How do these

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Speaker 5: things get fixed? Is it communication? Does someone's head have

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Speaker 5: to roll? And then again, like I watch the Lions,

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Speaker 5: I feel like have been a good team all year.

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Speaker 5: Lions had one bad offensive week, yes and all of

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Speaker 5: a sudden, I turn on the game yesterday, Dan Campbell's

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Speaker 5: calling plays. It took them one bad not like abysmal, yeah,

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Speaker 5: just a bad offensive week and Dan Campbell's calling plays yesterday,

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Speaker 5: and I'm like, man, that's an organization right now that's

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Speaker 5: operating with urgency. And you see those teams across the NFL,

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Speaker 5: however you view them, are the Bengals operating behind those

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Speaker 5: closed doors, Duke Tobin and Zach Taylor with the utmost

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Speaker 5: urgency and where they're at. And when you go into

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Speaker 5: a buy losing games in which you've scored thirty eight

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Speaker 5: and forty two and you say we're not doing anything,

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Speaker 5: everyone's safe. Duke's not gonna talk like that to me?

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Speaker 5: Is status quo?

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Speaker 6: Yep?

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Speaker 7: And status quo with this team right now is not

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Speaker 7: good enough.

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Speaker 4: Correct. We are way late, five away from four o'clock

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Speaker 4: Bye week ndition of the Tony and mol Football Show

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Speaker 4: rolls on its twin Peaks in Westchester. We are here

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Speaker 4: till six o'clock. It is awesome to be here. It

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Speaker 4: has turned out to be a really pretty afternoon out

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Speaker 4: after all the snow misery from this morning. Come on

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Speaker 4: out and join us. We are here till six. Fun

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Speaker 4: plays to have dinner, fun place to watch a good

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Speaker 4: Monday night football game. Fun place to watch Xavier and

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Speaker 4: Santa Clara play basketball tonight. Just a fun place in general.

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Speaker 4: Great staff, awesome food, meatball skill. It is back. Great

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Speaker 4: beer selection, good bourbon selection. Two twin peaks in Westchester.

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Speaker 4: We're back in Florence next week. We are here tonight

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Speaker 4: till six o'clock. Hopefully my voice holds out.

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Speaker 5: Is it just every single year when the first dusting

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Speaker 5: of snow happens that we just all lose our minds,

755
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Speaker 5: everyone forgets to how to drive. I just every year,

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Speaker 5: I feel like it's the same thing. Yeah it was today,

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Speaker 5: well because it was so early.

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Speaker 4: Yeah it typically we don't get snow in just November tenth, right.

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Speaker 7: Well that and like two days is gonna be back

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Speaker 7: to sixty.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait.

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Speaker 7: I think this Saturday for the Bearcats is gonna be

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Speaker 7: like a high of sixty.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a great day.

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Speaker 4: I had to explain to my daughter that just because

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Speaker 4: we got a tiny, tiny, tiny bit of snow, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they weren't canceling school.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, do you like subscribe to like the Farmer's Almanac

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Speaker 5: and stuff and see like, well, you know, based on

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Speaker 5: this shadow or based on these signs, it's gonna be

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Speaker 5: a tough winner.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't either.

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Speaker 4: I watched Jennifer Ketchmark in the morning on Channel nine

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Speaker 4: and she says, it's gonna snow.

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Speaker 7: It's snows Yep. Pretty simple.

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Speaker 3: That's that's how I get my weather.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of the Bearcats, we are going to talk about

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Speaker 4: UC versus Arizona coming up, a game that I think

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Speaker 4: a lot of people are kind of overlooking. Yeah, spend

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Speaker 4: a few minutes on Texas Tech and BYU, a game

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Speaker 4: to shape the Big twelve race and the play of

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Speaker 4: the year in college football, turned in by Omar Cooper

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Speaker 4: of Indiana University.

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is back.

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Speaker 4: He is practicing limited capacity, not exactly doing eleven on

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Speaker 4: eleven work, but the window is open for him to

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Speaker 4: play in these next twenty one days, and theoretically he

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Speaker 4: could still practice and they could decide after twenty one

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Speaker 4: days to bag the whole thing entirely. We will see

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Speaker 4: Bengals and Steelers on Sunday at one o'clock. Pittsburgh loses.

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Speaker 4: Last night, Baltimore wins. I saw something yesterday that I

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Speaker 4: thought had probably never happened, but it actually had twenty

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Speaker 4: five years ago. A team playing at home getting eight

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Speaker 4: fall starts incredible, like the Minnesota Vikings did yesterday.

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Speaker 5: I one of the more puzzling things in the NFL

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Speaker 5: is what Minnesota is doing at quarterback, yeah, because to me,

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Speaker 5: it's almost like they're allowing the greatness of Kevin O'Connell

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Speaker 5: to like who you are a huge, huge fan of Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and on the defensive side of the ball floors as well.

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Speaker 5: But it's like, right, well, he's such a great coach

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Speaker 5: that we don't have to get a great quarterback. We

802
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Speaker 5: can just out coach, Like, just get a good quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't have to be like elite Hall of Fame level quarterback,

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Speaker 5: just get a good one.

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Speaker 7: I've seen an I don't think J. J. McCarthy's that guy.

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Speaker 7: I really don't.

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Speaker 5: I've never felt at that point, yestually watching that game

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Speaker 5: like Baltimore was in trouble.

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Speaker 4: No, although they've had so many sort of dumb meltdown

810
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Speaker 4: quarter losses that the door was. It may have been

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Speaker 4: the worst like two minute drill I've ever watched a

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Speaker 4: team run with Minnesota's last offensive drive. The amount of

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Speaker 4: time they were wasting and taking their time, it just

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Speaker 4: it was awful. I just I don't understand how if

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Speaker 4: you're Minnesota you can't just go get a top tier

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Speaker 4: quarterback and then use Justin Jefferson and Kevin O'Connell in

817
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Speaker 4: a way the best one bring out there. At You

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Speaker 4: would argue they had one Sam Dark Yeah, moved on,

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Speaker 4: They mean one would nothing.

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Speaker 7: Talking about a team right now?

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Speaker 3: Right they had one. Seattle's a wagon.

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Speaker 5: For thirty eight in the first half, two defensive touchdowns yesterday,

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Speaker 5: just completely overmatched the Arizona Cardinals. I'll tell you the

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Speaker 5: NFC that the NFC playoffs are going to be insane, Yes,

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Speaker 5: because I can make a case for Seattle. The two

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Speaker 5: games tonight, or two teams tonight, Green Bay and Philly,

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Speaker 5: Tampa Detroit, the Rams Matthew Stafford right now I think

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Speaker 5: would be my MVP four touchdown passes in the last

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Speaker 5: three games each. Like the NFC from top to bottom

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Speaker 5: is incredible right now, Like that is going to be

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Speaker 5: cinema in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: So with JJ McCarthy, it's not that dissimilar from Des Ritter,

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Speaker 4: where I watched a lot more Dez than I did

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Speaker 4: to J McCarthy. But I remember, after having watched him

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Speaker 4: at Michigan, where he had a terrific career, won a

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Speaker 4: national championship. But after having watched him at Michigan, when

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Speaker 4: you would hear people talk about a first round grade

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Speaker 4: on him, I'm no talent evaluator by any stretch, but

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Speaker 4: I would go like, really, and you know, Des was

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Speaker 4: not taken in the first round, but there was quote

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Speaker 4: first round buzz around Des and I remember going, man,

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Speaker 4: I love him, Yeah, but I watched every snap and

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Speaker 4: I don't know that he's a starting caliber quarterback in

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Speaker 4: the NFL. I think JJ McCarthy is a better quarterback,

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Speaker 4: better pro prospect, but not a great pro prospect.

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Speaker 3: Baltimore's defense, the Bears, Yeah, you know what, they do.

847
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 7: It again, William finding ways to get it done.

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Speaker 3: They do it again. Coaching matters.

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Speaker 4: They come back and beat the Giants yesterday caused Brian

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Speaker 4: Daballa's job with Baltimore. In the first half of the

851
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 4: first half of the season, the defense was Bengals esque.

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Speaker 4: Last four games, they have allowed twenty points or fewer

853
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Speaker 4: in each. They have won three of those four games.

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Speaker 4: They are now the odds on favorite to win the

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Speaker 4: AFC North. They've gotten healthier. They have to do everything

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Speaker 4: safety and in Brian Hamilton, but they Kyle Hamilton, they

857
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 4: you're allowed to get better on defense within a season.

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Speaker 4: There can be incremental improvements, and they have two great

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Speaker 4: safeties because they took Starks, the kid that we talked

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Speaker 4: a lot about in the in the run up to

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Speaker 4: the draft, and not from what they were to what

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Speaker 4: they are now. So my question is, can we can

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Speaker 4: we see something similar take hold here?

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Speaker 7: I hope so. Have you seen any of the groundwork

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Speaker 7: for that yet?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely not, because when I look at the Ravens, I've

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Speaker 5: thought nothing adds up because they've actually got talented players

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Speaker 5: over there, like Kyle Hamilton's a really good player, Marlon

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Speaker 5: has a good corner. Alex Ki Starks I thought was

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Speaker 5: a great prospect. Rokwan Smith is a great linebacker. Your

871
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Speaker 5: thought they got to figure it out at some point.

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Speaker 3: Similar to what I thought.

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Speaker 5: I just don't see that talent on the Bengals roster.

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Speaker 5: And to to your Ravens point, they come out, they

875
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Speaker 5: play Cleveland next, and then the Jets. I mean they're

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Speaker 5: gonna right back over five hundred the Jets. By the way,

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Speaker 5: did you see justin fields line yesterday? His idea, his

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Speaker 5: final stat line had Granted he had a forty two

879
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 5: yard touchdown pass to Breeze Hall. He finished six of

880
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 5: eleven for fifty six yards.

881
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, in a win.

882
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 3: And by the way, they don't win.

883
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 4: The good players they traded were not offensive guys.

884
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 5: Correct, I've never seen anything six of eleven under sixty

885
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 5: yards and one was a forty two yard completion to

886
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 5: the running back.

887
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 4: How many points did they score here?

888
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 5: Seventy thirty nine, thirty nine points and then from that

889
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 5: to two defensive touchdowns to get to twenty seven on

890
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 5: the Browns.

891
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 4: Well, if you look at the bengals last three games

892
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 4: in Chicago, did come back and win that game yesterday,

893
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 4: but we're talking about a Pittsburgh team that the Bengals

894
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 4: did beat, that scored a garbage time touchdown late.

895
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 3: Yet yesterday was on the.

896
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 4: Verge of scoring just three points against the Chargers, the Jets,

897
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 4: who have bookended just total ineptitude with a Bengals game

898
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 4: in the middle where they had their way with Cincinnati's

899
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 4: defense in the second half, and then the Bears last week.

900
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 4: And that's the scary thing about the next few games

901
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 4: for me is you're struggling to beat now. Caleb Williams

902
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 4: and the Bears are interesting and they've got some good weaponry,

903
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 4: but Roman Dunze wasn't a big factor in the Bengals game, right.

904
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 4: They didn't have their top running back Swift. The issue

905
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 4: with the bad defense is how you can make a

906
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 4: bad offense be good and a decent offense be great.

907
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 4: They're gonna play some like MVP candidate guys here in the.

908
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 5: Company, and like, if you're Pittsburgh right now, like this

909
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 5: is like, man, thankfully we got the Bengals to get

910
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 5: ourselves back, right, That's what the talk has to be. Yeah,

911
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 5: as bad as yesterday was, all right, well, the Bengals

912
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 5: are coming in, so let's get right on offense because

913
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 5: if not, then there's a big issue.

914
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 7: In I think of it.

915
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 5: Like we talked about the NFC side, and we you know,

916
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 5: there's a pipe dream and a small percentage chance of

917
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 5: how can the Bengals get themselves back in and can

918
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 5: the Bengals buy for a playoff spot. I already wonder

919
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 5: about teams in the AFC that I think are playoff

920
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 5: teams getting in, like right now if the season ended, indeed, Denver,

921
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 5: New England, Pittsburgh, Los Angeles, Buffalo, Jacksonville the seven playoff teams.

922
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 5: I think Kansas City's a playoff team. I think Baltimore's

923
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 5: a playoff team, but that would require two teams that

924
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 5: are in to fall out. Which teams in the AFC

925
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 5: right now do you see falling out? I don't know

926
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 5: if Jacksonville's got stay in power. Can you lose twenty

927
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 5: six nothing to Davis Mills in the fourth quarter, That

928
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 5: could be one that kind of breaks your season. But

929
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 5: I don't think Buffalo is gonna fall all the way out.

930
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 5: The Chargers. I give the Chargers a ton of credit

931
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 5: because they've lost two extremely talented tackles and have found

932
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 5: a way to be seven to three. And by the way,

933
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 5: I think the Chargers their next two they play the

934
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 5: Race and the Jags. So I think the Chargers will

935
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 5: be just fine. But if you're Kansas City, Baltimore, if

936
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 5: you're even Cincinnati, in Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, and then who else

937
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 5: would melt down for you to have.

938
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: A spot at the table. That's the hard part.

939
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 5: The numbers are extremely hard in the AFC right now,

940
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 5: and not a lot of great teams at the top.

941
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 4: I mean from a Buffalo perspective, you do look at

942
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 4: their schedule and it's challenging. Tampa Bay and home at Houston.

943
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 4: The Texans are plucky. Their offensive line is terrible, but

944
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 4: certainly have some interesting players on offense. Davis Mills, I

945
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 4: don't know how much I would call him interesting, but

946
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 4: was really good yesterday. And they have to go to Pittsburgh,

947
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 4: which is not going to be easy. They have to

948
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 4: host the Bengals at New England. They still have the

949
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 4: Eagles on their schedule. Like I think the Bills are

950
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 4: a little shaky. Kansas City, I don't know, you would

951
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 4: expect to mean terrible start, then Mahomes plays like Mahomes again,

952
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 4: and now it's you know, they're on the outside looking in.

953
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 5: But for the Chiefs, they play at Denver this week,

954
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 5: right and then Indy, so I mean, let's just if

955
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 5: you look at where the Chiefs are and everyone just

956
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 5: seems to think Kansas City will get it right, if

957
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 5: they lose the next two they're five and six, that

958
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 5: math becomes a lot harder. And that's a team that

959
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 5: still has the Chargers the Broncos twice. They got to

960
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 5: go on the road to the coup. Like, there's just

961
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 5: there's still a lot.

962
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 7: That can play out.

963
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 5: But from a numbers standpoint, it would not only take

964
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 5: the Bengals being a lot better, it would take some

965
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 5: other teams collapsing down the stretch. You so, like Joe Sah,

966
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 5: you look at the AFC North if you.

967
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 4: Well, yes, but I mean like to attach a number

968
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 4: that they would get in without having to lean on

969
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 4: a tie breaker. You got to get to ten, yeah,

970
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 4: which means they can lose just one more game. Now

971
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 4: they would win the head to head tiebreaker with Jacksonville.

972
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 4: If they were to beat the Buffalo Bills and being

973
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 4: a tiebreaker with them, they would win the head to

974
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 4: head tiebreaker with Buffalo. But to get in as a

975
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 4: wild card, they have to win all but one game

976
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 4: right to win the AFC North, nine wins may do it.

977
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 3: This division's not great. Nine wins may do it.

978
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 5: What Joe alluded to that today, I mean Joe's quote was,

979
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 5: it will be very hard for us to be a

980
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 5: wild card team.

981
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 6: Right.

982
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,439
Speaker 5: The AFC North is a priority. And again, as bad

983
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 5: as it's been, you've taken care of business in the

984
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 5: AFC North so far this year.

985
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 4: And if you win one on Sunday, it's you head

986
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 4: to head with Pittsburgh as in the bag.

987
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 7: Correct, see, and we're talking ourselves back mo so.

988
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 4: But to get to nine wins, you gotta go six

989
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 4: and two. Yeah, how much money would you put on

990
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 4: this tackling six and two the rest.

991
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 3: Of the way.

992
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 7: I think I'd probably invested elsewhere.

993
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 4: I mean, like, and I know what folks are gonna do.

994
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 4: They're gonna clan to what they did last year. Yes, well,

995
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 4: they won five straight games.

996
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 7: I want this team. You don't want to see him.

997
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:06,479
Speaker 3: I would look at.

998
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 4: Those five games versus any five game stretch they have

999
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 4: remaining and go, it ain't apples to apples.

1000
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 5: Give me the last three, Miami, Arizona, Cleveland. Sure, if

1001
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 5: you can get you to what six?

1002
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 4: If you can get me to that, if you can

1003
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 4: win four to the next five, yes, because that gets

1004
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 4: you to get you seven.

1005
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 5: And then you finish with I think three winnable games.

1006
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Miami on the road, Arizona, Cleveland here yep.

1007
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 5: And again that Miami game may be totally different because

1008
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 5: that Miami team that I watched yesterday looked completely different

1009
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 5: than the Miami team that I thought was ready to

1010
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 5: roll over completely going into that week. I mean, they

1011
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 5: dominated Buffalo.

1012
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 4: So the variable here is Baltimore playing well, improved defensively,

1013
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 4: softest schedule.

1014
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 5: And we've talked about this team's and ability to tackle,

1015
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 5: and they've not been asked to tackle Derek Henry and

1016
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson this year. They've not been asked to tackle

1017
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 5: you know, James Cook and Josh Allen this year. They've

1018
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 5: not been able to tackle, which no one could do. Yesterday,

1019
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 5: a Trayvon Henderson for New England running at a high level.

1020
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 5: We already watched them make, you know, Pat Fryermouth and

1021
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers look like you know, Mahomes and Kelsey in

1022
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 5: their prime. So, as you the main point that I

1023
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 5: took today and as you've driven in, it's not like

1024
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 5: you've got this schedule shaping up to where you're going

1025
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 5: to be favored in six of the next seven. Right,

1026
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 5: your schedule alone, even if Burrow's the quarterback this week,

1027
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 5: is daunting. The schedule alone with this defense unless there

1028
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 5: is a major major change, I just don't see how

1029
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 5: the defense, even if Burrow's back, can do enough.

1030
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 4: A team that has lost six out of its last

1031
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 4: seven games has to play three of its next four

1032
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 4: on the road. Three of the quarterbacks they have played

1033
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 4: or will play have won the MVP Award, and Drake

1034
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 4: may may win it this year. Yeah, like, all right,

1035
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 4: Burrow is practicing. That is awesome. I think the reason

1036
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 4: why the excitement is muted is three and six, how

1037
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 4: they've looked and who they have to play.

1038
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 5: And I also, like before the Borough news broke today,

1039
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 5: what I was gonna talk about was like, there are

1040
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 5: the cast of teams you always know are gonna be

1041
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 5: tough to beat. I have seen North, You're gonna bounce

1042
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 5: back next year. You would imagine Cleveland has done a

1043
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 5: great job drafting, They're gonna be poised to be in

1044
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 5: a better spot. But now all of a sudden, I'm

1045
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 5: looking at Indy, New England, Denver. Now there's new teams

1046
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 5: to the party. Chargers are gonna get healthy, Kansas City

1047
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 5: will still be there with Mahomes, Josh Allen and Buffalo.

1048
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 5: All of a sudden, you start to think, like, well,

1049
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 5: it's not just about getting like you've got to make

1050
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 5: steps to make sure you're staying competitive in the AFC

1051
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 5: as a whole, because there are teams right now that

1052
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 5: have kind of taken the AFC by storm that you

1053
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 5: weren't counting on. Look at the top of the AFC Indian,

1054
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 5: New England and Depper Before the year it was what Baltimore, Buffalo,

1055
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 5: Kansas City. All of a sudden, there's a lot more

1056
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 5: teams at the at the table that you're gonna have

1057
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 5: to answer to, not just this year, but in the

1058
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 5: coming years. Are you equipping yourself the best way to

1059
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 5: compete going forward, not only the rest of this year,

1060
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 5: but going forward Like that, to me, that's the most

1061
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 5: fascinating thing, Like if the if you're putting your money

1062
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 5: down today AFC, who do you still have at the

1063
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 5: top to win like right now, to win the conference?

1064
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 5: Teams come what team comes out of the AFC. Indy,

1065
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 5: you like your that because like part of me is

1066
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 5: like still got to go through Mahomes, Like until I

1067
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 5: see it differently. Somebody's got to beat Mahomes, and two

1068
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 5: weeks from now it could be Buffalo because they could

1069
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 5: turn it around and play great. Sure, Baltimore could go

1070
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 5: on a run. Okay, there's still part of me that's

1071
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 5: and it's crazy because they're not even in the playoff field. Right,

1072
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 5: there's still part of me that's like Kansas City.

1073
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 4: No, it's just you say the same thing about them

1074
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 4: we said about the Bengals in December last year. Right,

1075
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 4: if you're hosting a playoff game and Number nine comes

1076
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 4: walking in, you don't feel great. It's the same about

1077
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 4: number fifteen. But having watched a half season, the team

1078
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 4: that has most consistently impressed me with the way they

1079
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 4: can throw it, run it and play bed but don't

1080
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 4: break defense. And they just got a great corner added

1081
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 4: to them. Yeh, I'll take the Colts. Yeah, twenty five

1082
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 4: after four. Hold the thought there on next year because

1083
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 4: I want to get to that. Coming up in ten

1084
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Speaker 9: to northbound seventy one. Seventy five is shut down due

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow back practicing limited capacity for Cincinnati twenty one

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Speaker 9: Good news out of the Alton area. Northbound seventy one.

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Speaker 9: The off ramp to northbound seventy one seventy five has

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Speaker 9: They're cleared away northbound seventy five near seventh Street. There's

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Speaker 9: an accident and on westbound seventy four, another accident after

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Speaker 10: This report is spine Well, he's.

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Speaker 2: Taylor versus Tumlin in the Steel City. The Bengals look

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Speaker 2: to toss the Steelers into the recycling bin. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot I can say about Pittsburgh, but none of it

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Speaker 2: can be set on the radio. The Bengals slug it

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Speaker 4: has returned to practice in a limited capacity. He is

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Speaker 4: a twenty one day window that is now open that

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Speaker 4: he could practice without counting against the active roster Bengals

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Speaker 4: and Steelers on Sunday. Zact Taylor Today said quote not

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Speaker 4: looking at him playing on Sunday. Also Today said that

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Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson believed to be doubtful for that game against

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Speaker 4: the Steelers. You'll hear it live on ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 4: kickoff at one o'clock. Linebacker Brian Assamoa has been added

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Speaker 4: to the active roster off the practice squad, and Cincinnati

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Speaker 4: signs linebacker Antoine Powell Ryland to the practice squad. A

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Speaker 4: rookie from Virginia Tech drafted in the sixth round by

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Speaker 4: Philadelphia this year, played in five games Eagles and Packers.

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Speaker 4: Tonight the Push Push Bowl.

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Speaker 7: Wow, it's a big one tonight.

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Speaker 3: It is good game of the NSF.

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Speaker 5: We talked about NFC's nuts. It is NFC is great

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Speaker 5: from top to bottom.

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Speaker 4: The Giants aren't great, so they fired their coach, Brian Daball.

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Speaker 4: College basketball Tonight, the Xavier host Santa Clara at eight

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Speaker 4: point thirty on seven hundre WLW. The game time for

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Speaker 4: FC Cincinnati's conference semifinal tilt against Miami has been said.

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Speaker 4: They'll play at the Soccer Venue in the West End

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Speaker 4: of Cincinnati on Sunday, the twenty third of November at

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Speaker 4: five PM and hockey tonight, the Blue Jackets try to

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Speaker 4: snap a three game losing streak skating tonight at Edmonton.

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Speaker 5: Double Dip Yes Sunday, Bengals Patriots yep. Right from there

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Speaker 5: to the west end.

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Speaker 3: You could pull it off.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 7: It's doable.

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Speaker 4: It is doable. Street car gets you there, Street Carl'll

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Speaker 4: get you there. Uber will get you there. Walking will

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Speaker 4: get you there. You think walking would make.

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Speaker 3: It, You can walk from absolutely.

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Speaker 4: I used to live in the Turret Lost building, which

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Speaker 4: is right next to TQL Stadium, so I walk from

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Speaker 4: that building to PBS a few times. Yeah, it's do

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Speaker 4: Double dip might be kind of cold. Hopefully it's not

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Speaker 4: a daylight today, We'll see double dip. Let's see Tony

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Speaker 4: and Mo Football Show, ESPN fifteen thirty. You want to

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Speaker 4: do some college stuff in the five o'clock hour.

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Speaker 7: I got that.

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Speaker 4: But you brought this up as it relates to the Bengals,

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Speaker 4: and I'm here for the very small surge of optimism

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Speaker 4: that came with finding out that Joe Burrow is back

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Speaker 4: in the practice field. That is a good thing. But

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Speaker 4: you talked about like the AFC this year, which is

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Speaker 4: wide open for the season. It was, well, there's a

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Speaker 4: big three. It's Buffalo, Kansas City and Baltimore. Who else

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Speaker 4: joins them? And I'm not sure any of those three

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Speaker 4: teams would make up a Big Three right now. So

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Speaker 4: the AFC is wide open, but you've got good franchises

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Speaker 4: who are probably going to reload. You've got teams that

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Speaker 4: are that feel like they're kind of set for long

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Speaker 4: ish term success.

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Speaker 3: Here's my question.

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Speaker 4: The Bengals don't have a championship roster right now. Would

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Speaker 4: you agree correct? Can you turn that in one year?

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Speaker 4: Can you go from what the Bengals were prior to

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Speaker 4: this season, which was a team that we thought had

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Speaker 4: a chance to be pretty good, but we weren't talking

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Speaker 4: about in championship terms, to a team that this year

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Speaker 4: as maybe the worst defense in the history of the sport,

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Speaker 4: to one that next year is legitimately thought of as

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Speaker 4: a Super Bowl championship.

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Speaker 5: Contender without any major changes in the staff. I don't

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Speaker 5: think so, Like say what you want, Duke Tobin has

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Speaker 5: not been able to get this together, and it's not

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Speaker 5: just been under Joe Burrow. After Carson signed his deal,

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Speaker 5: they had a under five hundred record and the remaining

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Speaker 5: tenure of Carson Palmer, after Andy Dalton's deal under five

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Speaker 5: hundred in the remaining tenure of Andy Dalton, and since

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Speaker 5: Burrow signed his deal, they're now under five hundred in

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Speaker 5: the tenure, so it's not just been a flash in

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Speaker 5: the pan. Duke Tobin has been fantastic when it comes

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Speaker 5: to putting a roster together.

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Speaker 7: With a quarterback on a team friendly deal.

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Speaker 5: When you got to pay the quarterback and in their case,

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Speaker 5: you got to pay both wide receivers, how are you

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Speaker 5: able to build that roster successful? They've not done it

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Speaker 5: in the draft. They've hit on some free agents, but

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Speaker 5: they've also missed on decisions like they are still reeling

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Speaker 5: from letting Andrew Whitworth go, they are still reeling from

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Speaker 5: letting Jesse Bates go. It's just where where is the

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Speaker 5: equity been built up that they can get this thing

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Speaker 5: turned around and build it And to your point, like

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Speaker 5: Buffalo's gonna have staying power as long as Josh Allen's

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Speaker 5: the quarterback. New England Drake May rookie quarterback, that's gonna

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Speaker 5: be easy, easier to build around. In the AFC North,

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Speaker 5: I don't expect Pittsburgh to disappear for long in the

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Speaker 5: AFC North. I don't expect the Baltimore Ravens to go

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Speaker 5: anywhere in the South Indy like they've got it with

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Speaker 5: Daniel Jones. They just went all in with Sauce Gardner

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Speaker 5: not going anywhere anytime soon, and and and the rest

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Speaker 5: of the South, Like I think Cohen's a good spot

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Speaker 5: in Jacksonville, Houston's an interesting team. And then in the West,

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Speaker 5: as long as Mahomes is the quarterback, they'll have a say.

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Speaker 5: The Chargers under Harball with Herbert and getting their two

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Speaker 5: tackles back next year, are going to have a significant

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Speaker 5: seat at the table. And the Denver Broncos right now

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Speaker 5: have the longest winning streak and football with the New

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Speaker 5: England Patriots. So like is it's becoming harder and harder

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Speaker 5: and harder. I mentioned this before going into this year.

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Speaker 5: It was Buffalo, Kansas City, Baltimore, That's all anyone talks about.

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Speaker 5: And now you're talking about much deeper AFC. And it

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Speaker 5: doesn't feel like any of the teams we just talked

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Speaker 5: about are one and done type teams. It feels like

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Speaker 5: they're here to be competitive going forward. What do you

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Speaker 5: have for the Bengals that makes you think, Okay, they're

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Speaker 5: going to be able to reload in a year with

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Speaker 5: how bad this defense is and probably still figure out

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Speaker 5: things on the offensive line and get it fixed.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not interested in Hey, next year if they

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Speaker 4: missed the postseason this year, year year, they can get

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Speaker 4: to nine wins. Ah, that's not as the seventh. This

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Speaker 4: is super winning a championship. And I think that's the

1258
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Speaker 4: issue right now. It feels like they are so far

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Speaker 4: away A with the roster, B with the the landscape

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Speaker 4: of the AFC and C with what you just outlined,

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Speaker 4: the poor track record of Duke Tobin trying to build

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl championship teams when he's got the quarterback under

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Speaker 4: a second deal. Do you think though, that if the

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Speaker 4: Bengals moved on from Duke Tobin, that his success or

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Speaker 4: whoever that is, could put the Bengals in a position

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Speaker 4: to compete for a championship next year? Like, is that

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Speaker 4: undertaking doable if you hired the right guy?

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Speaker 5: I think so yeah, Because again I think the biggest

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Speaker 5: disconnect has been scheme versus personnel. So if a new

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Speaker 5: guy is coming in, that has to be the first

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Speaker 5: thing you're on. Is Zach the head coach? And if so,

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Speaker 5: does the g matched the scheme and personnel roster that

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Speaker 5: they want to run with. This roster doesn't match with

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01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 5: the scheme. It doesn't the way the offensive line is

1275
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 5: a symbol doesn't match with who they are offensively, defense

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01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 5: meshes nowhere together, and again to me, it's you know,

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Speaker 5: people go back. Well, Duke Tobin was the executive of

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Speaker 5: the year. I get that, Duke Tobin, and I pulled

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Speaker 5: the stat up. Duke Tobin has always built a competitive

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Speaker 5: team until he's had to pay the quarterback. Carson Palmer

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Speaker 5: got paid in two thousand and five after that thirty

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Speaker 5: three and forty six, one playoff appearance and a loss.

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Speaker 5: Andy Dalton got paid in twenty fourteen, thirty three and

1284
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Speaker 5: forty six after that one playoff appearance and a loss.

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Speaker 5: Since Joe Burrow got paid zero playoff appearances and they're

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Speaker 5: twelve and fourteen, Like that is that's a track record.

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Speaker 5: Great when you got a rookie deal. Bad after that,

1288
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 5: this team and they've not been able to figure out

1289
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 5: how to formulate the roster when you've got to pay

1290
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Speaker 5: a quarterback a lot of money and not only a quarterback,

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Speaker 5: a wide.

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Speaker 7: Receiver, two wide receivers. Yeah, so top end money.

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Speaker 5: So that that's an uphill battle, right, So you have

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Speaker 5: to do what draft well.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you have to try to build the team

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Speaker 4: moving forward the same way that Duke Tobin has tried

1297
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Speaker 4: to build the team the last couple of years and

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Speaker 4: has failed miserably. So why am I to believe that

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Speaker 4: if you give him more cracks of doing the same thing,

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Speaker 4: that he's going to achieve better results.

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Speaker 3: You can't.

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Speaker 5: And for years it was what it was, Well, you

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01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 5: can't pay Whitworth and still put this team together. You

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Speaker 5: can't pay Jesse Bates and still put this team together,

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Speaker 5: and then it will well you can't pay Tea and

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Speaker 5: then keep trying like it's always something. You can't do

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Speaker 5: this and have that. Good teams find a way to

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Speaker 5: make it work. Good teams find a way to build

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Speaker 5: the roster. Good teams find a way to identify talent

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Speaker 5: in the draft. That again I went. I mentioned this

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Speaker 5: with Jack Sawyer last week. I watched Ohio State play,

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Speaker 5: and when I watched Ohio State play, I thought to myself,

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Speaker 5: Jack Sawyer is a good football play. Jack Sawyer is

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Speaker 5: one of the highest graded rookies in the National Football

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Speaker 5: League right now heading out. He was directed in the

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Speaker 5: fourth round. A lot of teams passed on him. But

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Speaker 5: all we're told here normally is other's The numbers just

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01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 5: don't match he's a step slow or doesn't jump as

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Speaker 5: the explosiveness, you know, undersized. Instead, all we're told is

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Speaker 5: what measurables. Going back to John Ross, what about John

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Speaker 5: Ross other than you had the fastest forty made him

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Speaker 5: a viable option? What about Shamar Stewart this year? Four

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Speaker 5: and a half sacks in three years at college? But man,

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Speaker 5: look at the physical traits that you cannot rely on

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Speaker 5: that when you're trying to build a super Bowl winning team,

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Speaker 5: you can't just rely on Well, the production wasn't there,

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Speaker 5: but we'll get it out of him.

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Speaker 3: Here, go get guys at play Like.

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Speaker 5: You watch enough football, you can turn on a game

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Speaker 5: and see, Okay, that guy's a playmaker.

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Speaker 7: That's not Rodriguez from Texas Tech.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure there'll be people that's why he's a little

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Speaker 5: bit undersize, or maybe he's a step slow. I watch

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Speaker 5: that guy and I think that dude can make place.

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Speaker 5: Give me eleven of those guys on the defensive side

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Speaker 5: of the ball that are productive and not just well,

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01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 5: we got to develop and the physical traits are there.

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Speaker 5: Because I heard that with Miles Murphy, heard that with Josephosai,

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Speaker 5: I've heard that with Shamar Stewart. I heard a lot

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Speaker 5: about Barret Carter and Demetrius Knight. They're smart because they're older.

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Speaker 5: The trade stuff just is give me production, Give me

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Speaker 5: guys that produce and win in college and build your

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Speaker 5: team that way.

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Speaker 7: I don't trust right now that Duke Tobin can do that.

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Speaker 4: And I don't maybe, but I don't envision a scenario

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Speaker 4: where the Bengals shift their priorities when it comes to

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Speaker 4: what they prefer with kids coming out of college.

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Speaker 3: I just maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 4: Maybe the bottoming out, of the bottoming out of the

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Speaker 4: defense and all the failed draft choices in recent years

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01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 4: is gonna compel Duke Tobin to go. You know what,

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Speaker 4: I need to focus more on what the guy does

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Speaker 4: in games. I need to look at the statute. I

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01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 4: need to actually watch the tape of the game itself, sure,

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Speaker 4: instead of, you know, paying attention to the raw measurables.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think that's gonna happen, right I think

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Speaker 4: this is a franchise that is famously stubborn. Duke Tobin

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Speaker 4: is a big part of this franchise. My guess is

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Speaker 4: next year, in the draft, at some point early we're

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Speaker 4: gonna hear about a guy who's a little bit of

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Speaker 4: a project.

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Speaker 7: Oh but but I mean you see his forty.

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Speaker 4: Marcus Hunt was drafted by this team in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 4: And what I remember about Marcus Hunt was, you know

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Speaker 4: what he is great throwing the shot put?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, do you see his broad jump?

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Speaker 4: But when you get to look at this dude's frame

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Speaker 4: and I go, yeah, but at SMU he didn't make

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Speaker 4: any plays. Well, he was really good at blocking kicks. Like,

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Speaker 4: that's neat took a guy in the second round because

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Speaker 4: he could throw the shot put in block kicks.

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Speaker 5: Right, That was that who It's been twelve years ago.

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Speaker 5: Like Miles Murphy. You go to a training camp practice.

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Speaker 5: You look at Miles Murphy like that guy's got to

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Speaker 5: be an all pro, Yes, but he didn't produce. It's

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Speaker 5: one thing to look that way. It's one thing to

1377
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Speaker 5: have the measurables. You also got to be a football player. Like,

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Speaker 5: there are guys that can make up with a little

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Speaker 5: lack of explosiveness just because they're smart. Like I go

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Speaker 5: back to a guy that I got to watch, Luke

1381
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 5: Keigley was never gonna win a forty yard dash. He

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Speaker 5: probably wasn't gonna be the most explosive guy in the

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Speaker 5: room wasn't going to be the most athletic, but he's

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Speaker 5: the smartest, yeah, and he knew what was coming, so

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Speaker 5: he could.

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Speaker 7: Get a head start that way.

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Speaker 5: Like, there are ways to get around just raw athleticism

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Speaker 5: and the problem they've just not been able.

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Speaker 7: To develop the players they've drafted.

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Speaker 5: And then when you do take a chance on a

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Speaker 5: Shamar Stewart, you can't have the guy sit out all

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Speaker 5: off season Like that just makes it worse. Right, here's

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Speaker 5: a guy that had four and a half sacks in

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Speaker 5: three years and he's not gonna do anything in the offseason,

1395
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Speaker 5: but then he's gonna be really a guy that you

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Speaker 5: got to rely on to help win games.

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Speaker 4: I guess the frustrating thing about Shamar Stewart in particular

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Speaker 4: is it was a really good class of edge guys.

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Speaker 5: Oh right, yep, you know, I watched Dophin Azeraku. I

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Speaker 5: mean there's but that's the same thing we're talking about.

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Speaker 5: We talked about last week about what receivers from last

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Speaker 5: year's draft, and we're talking about Jermaine Burton that's not

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Speaker 5: dressed like McKinley Jackson. It just it goes on and

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Speaker 5: on with so many different it's not one position specific,

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Speaker 5: it's just it's been a comedy of airs.

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Speaker 5: But although it was closer than I expected it to

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Speaker 5: be with the bye bye, I mean they played a

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Speaker 5: good second half.

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Speaker 4: Boulevard exit off I seventy five. Joe Burrow back practicing

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Speaker 4: limited capacity. He's not gonna play on Sunday. That's what

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Speaker 4: Zach Taylor says. Here's what I want to know. What

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Speaker 4: will the Bengals record be on Thanksgiving morning? Bengals play

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Speaker 4: Baltimore that day. I think the target is for Joe

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Speaker 4: Burrow to come back and play against the Ravens. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they have two games at Pittsburgh, home for New England.

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Speaker 4: Five and six, four and seven, three and eight or

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Speaker 4: a tie will be involved.

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Speaker 5: Oh oh, four and seven. Find a way to win

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Speaker 5: one of the next two. I don't see a I

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Speaker 5: don't see a path that they win both. Yeah, I

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Speaker 5: think I would lean four and seven.

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Speaker 3: If they are four and seven.

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Speaker 4: And Joe has responded well to practice and he's getting better,

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Speaker 4: and he's in a place physically and mentally where he

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Speaker 4: thinks he could.

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Speaker 3: Play against Baltimore, would you run him out there.

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Speaker 5: At four and seven? There will still probably be a chance,

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Speaker 5: knowing Joe Burrow, like Joe Burrow is going to put

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Speaker 5: himself out there, So yeah, I think he'll still be

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Speaker 5: out there. I worry because so much of what we've

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Speaker 5: built the Joe Flacco conversation with is the under center stuff.

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Speaker 5: I just don't I just don't view Joe is saying

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna come back and know I'm gonna go under center,

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Speaker 5: especially with the left toe. Like I just logistic wise,

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Speaker 5: if you're lining up under center, the left foot is

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Speaker 5: what you're gonna push off of every time you get

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Speaker 5: away from center. I just don't think you want to

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Speaker 5: mess with that as much. Right, So then you're gonna

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Speaker 5: have to go back and resort to what shotgun, which

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Speaker 5: the running game couldn't get going in shotgun.

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Speaker 7: The old line struggled with the shotgun.

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Speaker 5: I just think you're running yourself in circles because I

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Speaker 5: don't think the old line's good enough.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 5: Do I think they'll put him back out there? Absolutely,

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Speaker 5: it's a way to I mean people are gonna come

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Speaker 5: and want to watch that anyway. Even I think if

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Speaker 5: they're three and eight, they'll put them out there.

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Speaker 6: I don't think.

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Speaker 3: I don't agree with it, but I think they will.

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Speaker 3: At three and eight.

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Speaker 4: I would tell Joe, here's a ball cap, correct said,

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Speaker 4: enjoy watching Joe Flacca.

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Speaker 7: What would be his response?

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Speaker 3: He wouldn't be happy about it. That's fine. I don't

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Speaker 3: want him to be.

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Speaker 5: But that's the same thing like he wasn't happy about

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Speaker 5: the under center conversation, and they came back and didn't

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Speaker 5: go under center again, even though we saw Jake Browning

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Speaker 5: have success running under center, so like we've already seen

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Speaker 5: this before. Of well, they operate better than but Joe

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Speaker 5: don't like to do it, and they're gonna do what

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Speaker 5: Joe is wanting to do.

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Speaker 7: So I think overall that's my concern.

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Speaker 4: I think, if if he could play, as long as

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Speaker 4: they are mathematically alive, if he can play, if they're

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Speaker 4: mathematically alive, which they're they're not gonna be mathematically eliminated

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Speaker 4: from a playoff spot if they lose their next two.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna play.

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01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1520
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like they benched him last year

1521
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 4: towards the end of the year because they had a

1522
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 4: mathematical chance of making the postseason until the very last game.

1523
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 5: Three and eight with six to go would almost be

1524
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 5: mathematically eliminated.

1525
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1526
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,480
Speaker 7: I think I think ten has to be the number.

1527
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 3: To get it as a wild card.

1528
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 7: Yes, you only got six games left.

1529
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then nine and eight. Can nine and eight

1530
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 4: get the division?

1531
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,480
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1532
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 4: I think it's a fascinating conversation when you talk about

1533
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 4: what Joe wants versus what the team wants. Yeah, Joe

1534
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 4: is very powerful. He's the reason why T Higgins is

1535
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 4: on this roster. But you are allowed to tell him no.

1536
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 4: And like, I expect the guy to want to play.

1537
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 4: He's a competitive dude. He loves to play, Like I

1538
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 4: expect him to want to play. I appreciate that the

1539
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 4: Bengals have to protect their investment. He remains the most

1540
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 4: important investment in the history of the franchise.

1541
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 7: Without a doubt.

1542
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 4: Putting him out there in games that don't count is irresponsible.

1543
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, And my concern would be, what's the worst case

1544
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 5: scenario he gets hurt again? He gets he goes out

1545
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 5: there and he gets hurt again. Yeah, and then the

1546
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 5: whole the conversation completely changes about your future as a franchise.

1547
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's hard to Again, this would be so

1548
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 5: much easier had they just by scoring thirty eight and

1549
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 5: forty two won both games. And they're five and four today, right,

1550
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 5: and it's like five and four going to Pittsburgh sethons

1551
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 5: back on.

1552
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 7: They're not.

1553
01:17:58,439 --> 01:17:59,799
Speaker 3: They are what their record shows.

1554
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 5: So you have to hold your players accountable with what's

1555
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 5: best for the future of the franchise as well.

1556
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 4: And yet, despite what we have watched from this team

1557
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 4: defensively all season long, despite the fact that they have

1558
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 4: lost six out of seven games, despite the fact that

1559
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:21,440
Speaker 4: the five and a half point Dogs winning in Pittsburgh

1560
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 4: is not inconceivable.

1561
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 5: No, and if that's the case, it's not. If that's

1562
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 5: the case, then it's okay. New England's good, right, But

1563
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,799
Speaker 5: can they find a way at home to beat New England,

1564
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 5: get a lead? Make drake Drake may play from behind,

1565
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 5: like there are conversations that you open yourself up to

1566
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,640
Speaker 5: if you've been if you win in Pittsburgh, but you

1567
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 5: got to know what you're like We've talked for years

1568
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 5: about matching intensity, Like you know, Mike Tomlin carries this

1569
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:48,799
Speaker 5: week differently in Pittsburgh.

1570
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know what, and you know, at five

1571
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 4: and four, I'll say this, I don't buy that nearly

1572
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 4: as much.

1573
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 5: I think they understand they're playing for their their season now. Yeah,

1574
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:00,719
Speaker 5: like Baltimore is on their heel.

1575
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 6: Uh huh.

1576
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's a different level of like

1577
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 5: that they looked last night unfocused, they looked last night

1578
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 5: ill prepared. Is that the same team you see? Like

1579
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 5: I was shocked when they came here. They ran man

1580
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 5: a man as much as they did right they got torched.

1581
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,919
Speaker 5: Is it a team that now swallow takes their medicine

1582
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 5: and says, Okay, we're gonna go zone. We think we

1583
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 5: can still score on this Bengals defense, but we're gonna

1584
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 5: slow them down a little bit. Like I think there's

1585
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 5: so many fascinating things about it. But you know, if

1586
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 5: they find a way to win Sunday, then everyone jumps

1587
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 5: back in.

1588
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 4: No, no, no question on my mind. That the Pittsburgh thing.

1589
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 4: I know what that looks like. When the Mike Tomlin

1590
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 4: team shows up and is which I thought they did

1591
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 4: against Indy last week.

1592
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:49,679
Speaker 3: Is there for a fight? Yeah?

1593
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 4: I thought we would see it when they were here

1594
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 4: because they had just beaten Cleveland and that that was

1595
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 4: the chance.

1596
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 3: We talked about it going in.

1597
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 7: They could put a stranglehold on the North.

1598
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 4: Pretty much, and the AFC North Race at least put

1599
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 4: Cincinnati out of its misery. Aaron Rodgers did a lot

1600
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 4: of awesome things against the terrible Bengals defense. Pat Fryermuth

1601
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:11,719
Speaker 4: is an All Pro when he plays against Cincinnati. Yep,

1602
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 4: But I didn't see it from Mike Tomlin's team last night.

1603
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 4: Then I'm watching last night on Sunday Night Football, thinking,

1604
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,640
Speaker 4: you know what, if you're a Steeler fan, it's like

1605
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 4: I already saw the Ravens win. We got that game

1606
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 4: against the Colts. We saw Baltimore win. Our season effectively

1607
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 4: starts tonight. Aaron Rodgers looked ancient. That team didn't bring

1608
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 4: the level of physicality that you expect. Come back to

1609
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 4: the playoff game last year, where the Baltimore Ravens didn't

1610
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 4: exactly dive deep into the playbook. They basically said we're

1611
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 4: gonna push you around, and they did. That was kind

1612
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 4: of Pittsburgh's mom down the stretch last year. So look,

1613
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 4: the Bengals against anybody, it's an uphill battle because defensively

1614
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:51,560
Speaker 4: they're atrocious.

1615
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 3: But what you.

1616
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 4: Expect the Steelers to be often hasn't been what they've been.

1617
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 4: And I don't think that would be that surprising if

1618
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 4: that was the case on Sunday.

1619
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just you know here in Cincinnati, if they

1620
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 5: can find a way to beat Pittsburgh, because then almost mentally,

1621
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,560
Speaker 5: you check yourself into Burrow will be back against Baltimore.

1622
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 5: Can they get by a week? Can they find a

1623
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 5: way to win one game they're probably not supposed to

1624
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 5: win against New England and all of a sudden, it's

1625
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 5: go time, let's go, let's make a run at to

1626
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 5: down the stretch.

1627
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 4: Do you think Joe Burrow accelerated his recovery so he

1628
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,679
Speaker 4: could practice against the Bengals defense.

1629
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 5: I think that would go a long way in it.

1630
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 5: I think him getting to practice against this first unit, Yeah,

1631
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,560
Speaker 5: probably gives him confidence that would be unmatched.

1632
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 4: Which, like you know what, I don't know how good

1633
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 4: I'll be against the teams we play.

1634
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 5: I actually hope that UC would have done that during

1635
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 5: the bye week. I was hoping that Scott Sadderfield was like, hey, pal,

1636
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 5: your defense stinks. My offense needs to get this consistency thing.

1637
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 5: Let's go at it. But the Bengals can never cover

1638
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 5: tight ends. You think Joe Royer would get some touches

1639
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,879
Speaker 5: in that make believe scrimmage. He had one target, one catch.

1640
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 3: For you at sports Well check down.

1641
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 7: Yep, yep.

1642
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 5: But they had no answer on the outside. None, none, none.

1643
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 5: Onso SyRS Allen had a field day.

1644
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:14,920
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1664
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 4: in Florence a week from today, the day after the

1665
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 4: Bengals play the Pittsburgh Steelers next Monday. Will we be

1666
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 4: talking about a big twelve showdown between Cincinnati and BYU,

1667
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 4: both going in with one loss in the league.

1668
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:42,600
Speaker 7: I think so.

1669
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 5: I mean, I think on the UC side of things,

1670
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 5: if you take care of your business early and get

1671
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 5: back to doing what you've done best, which is run

1672
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 5: the ball, you swersby and get him comfortable the passing

1673
01:23:58,000 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 5: game Ben, but don't break on the defensive side of

1674
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 5: More importantly, special teams has to get back to who

1675
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 5: they are. But I think I think they beat Arizona

1676
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 5: BYU and this will this will hold true for UC

1677
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 5: as well. That's a this is a tough spot for

1678
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 5: b YU because you go Texas Tech. You got UC

1679
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 5: next week. TCU is a good team. TCU can give

1680
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 5: BYU some fits this weekend. They've got to get it

1681
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 5: right as well. But yes, I think at this time

1682
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 5: next week UC had won, BYU had won, and we're

1683
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:31,679
Speaker 5: talking about an opportunity to go into the final week

1684
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 5: of the season with a chance to go to a

1685
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 5: Big twelve title game.

1686
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1687
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:38,799
Speaker 4: Obviously, Texas Tech beat BYU and beat him pretty soundly.

1688
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 4: The Red Raiders right now, frankly, look like the best

1689
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,719
Speaker 4: team in the conference, and they only have two league

1690
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 4: games remaining, and they're not against tough opponents West Virginia.

1691
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 5: I was told we went to lubback last year, and

1692
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 5: I remember I was talking to someone at the dinner.

1693
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 5: We went to a Texas Tech fan and he said,

1694
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 5: if they can identify the correct talent, they will be

1695
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 5: a perennial contender in this landscape of college sports. They

1696
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 5: have spent seven million dollars on their defensive line. They

1697
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 5: are a top ten offensive and defensive team in football.

1698
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 5: They are a I think a top ten basketball team. Yeah,

1699
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 5: like you think, Like it's what Jerry Jones Stadium that

1700
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 5: they play in, Patrick Mahomes. They've got a lucrative deal

1701
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 5: with Adidas. Are you trying to suck up the Joe

1702
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 5: Walter They've got well this Joe and I might have

1703
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:36,720
Speaker 5: a side bet Hoppen, but they are. I think that

1704
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:39,720
Speaker 5: the thing is they've identified the talent and they've got

1705
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 5: it right. They are as well balanced as you can get.

1706
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,879
Speaker 5: But like there's no there's no talk of donor fatigue

1707
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 5: in Lubbock, Like that's not a thing there. It's oil

1708
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 5: Jerry Jones, Patrick Mahomes, Like there is there's money down there,

1709
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 5: like we we saw the facilities, we saw the press box,

1710
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 5: the stadium. I just think they've identified the talent. Like

1711
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 5: we talk about this with the Bengals, Like I think

1712
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 5: they know like how they want to build the roster

1713
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 5: based on how they want to play, and I think

1714
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,759
Speaker 5: that matches and messes with what they're doing right now.

1715
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 5: They are they're twenty four and a half, their twenty

1716
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 5: four faite point favorite. This week, they're gonna be big

1717
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:21,480
Speaker 5: favorites against West Virginia.

1718
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 7: Texas Tech's gonna.

1719
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 5: Play in Dallas. Yes you seeing BYU have a chance

1720
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 5: to go at it if both take care of business

1721
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 5: this weekend. To take one step further into who can

1722
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 5: be that team that goes and plays Texas Tech.

1723
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 4: If the bear Cats went out, they'll play the Texas

1724
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 4: Tech Red Raiders in Dallas. Will see how that goes.

1725
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 3: The Red Raiders have lost one game in the league.

1726
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 4: Their starting quarterback, Baron Morton didn't play against Arizona State.

1727
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 3: They lost that game by four. I'm curious.

1728
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 4: I guess what I'm curious about the Bearcats is how

1729
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 4: much of what we saw against Utah is a one off?

1730
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:59,879
Speaker 4: The bad special teams play the turnovers, But more than anything,

1731
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 4: Brendan Sows the middle of the season last year has

1732
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 4: a bad game. Yep, never could put the toothpaste back

1733
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 4: in the tube. Does the Utah game prove to be

1734
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 4: just a bad night for him or is it the

1735
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 4: beginning of a personal slide that the team is maybe

1736
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 4: not quite good enough to help him recover from.

1737
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, my worry with them. The two best defenses they've

1738
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 5: played this year. Wide receivers have struggled like they were

1739
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 5: couldn't get open. They were non existing against Nebraska, and

1740
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 5: they left Brendan Soresby no room to throw deep balls

1741
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 5: at Utah. I mean they were They were pushed out

1742
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 5: physical at the wide receiver level outside of the Cyrus

1743
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 5: Allen big play. Yeah, And what's been lacking or what

1744
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 5: hasn't been lacking, is the rhythm offensively. Sworsby didn't really

1745
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 5: use his legs against Utah. They were down Evan Pryor.

1746
01:27:58,200 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 5: I thought that'd be more of a game plan. You

1747
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 5: and I talk all the time about Joe Royer. It

1748
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 5: felt like it was weird because as bad as it was,

1749
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 5: it felt like the defense gave them chances. Yeah, they

1750
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,680
Speaker 5: cut it to ten. Defense got a pick. Yeah, and

1751
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 5: the second half they.

1752
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 7: Got the ball back.

1753
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 5: But their margin for a Your margin for aer in

1754
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 5: big games is minuscule. We said going into the Utah game,

1755
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 5: you have no margin for air. And they had too

1756
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 5: many swords be fumbled inside the twenty he threw another interception.

1757
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 5: Special teams was a disaster. Too many things happen. You're

1758
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:34,639
Speaker 5: not gonna win a game like.

1759
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 6: That, right.

1760
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 5: Can you get back to who you've been for a

1761
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 5: majority of the year, and more importantly, can you get

1762
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:43,879
Speaker 5: that like swagger and confidence back that they've carried themselves

1763
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 5: with because that was gone last year.

1764
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 4: No outcome these final three games would surprise me.

1765
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's the hard part.

1766
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I certainly don't want this to happen. Yeah,

1767
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 4: but if they lost the next three, yep, I don't

1768
01:28:58,479 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 4: think that's a huge shock.

1769
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 7: I don't either.

1770
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 4: If they win the next three, I don't think that's

1771
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 4: a huge shock.

1772
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1773
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 4: The possibilities kind of run the gamut. What that tells

1774
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 4: me is they're probably not going to do either.

1775
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:13,679
Speaker 7: Yeah, be somewhere in the middle.

1776
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 3: Somewhere in the middle two and one or one and two.

1777
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I have not started a ton on

1778
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 5: Arizona yet, but I do know in a lot of

1779
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 5: their games they've been competitive this year. Yeah, six and three,

1780
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 5: I mean that BYU Arizona game. I remember watching over.

1781
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 5: We had a wedding that night. I remember going to

1782
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 5: we were watching the double overtime. It took b WYU

1783
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 5: to win that game. I'm interested. It feels like one

1784
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:40,679
Speaker 5: of those games Arizona Houston was thirty one, twenty eight.

1785
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 5: It feels like one of those that you got to

1786
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,639
Speaker 5: you gotta get up early. Yeah, you got to take

1787
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:49,639
Speaker 5: care of business. Like you and I were both impressed

1788
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 5: with Kansas. They have a win against Kansas, like the

1789
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 5: Arizona's got some good wins this year.

1790
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 4: Won the game in Kansas kind of the way the

1791
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 4: Bearcats did with the last second touchdown.

1792
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is.

1793
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 4: One of those where you know, folks don't love not

1794
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 4: having Nippet night with My guess is BYU will be

1795
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 4: a night game if it is what we think it

1796
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 4: can be. Yeah, and if you if you got to

1797
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 4: play a noon game, better to do it against a

1798
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 4: team that's traveling three times on And.

1799
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,759
Speaker 5: It's also like it's been the game on the schedule

1800
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 5: that's just kind of sandwiched awkwardly. Everyone's talking about Utah,

1801
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 5: everyone's talking about BYU. You gotta take care of business Saturday, yeah,

1802
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 5: or else all the work you've done, yeah, kind of

1803
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 5: falls flat. Like think of the air out of the

1804
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 5: bubble if you lose Saturday and then the BYU game

1805
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 5: because now you're you know, it's an uphill battle and

1806
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 5: you're still playing for some because you never know how

1807
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 5: the two loss team can shake out. But man, I

1808
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 5: want so bad to have a nip at night with

1809
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 5: both BYU and UC with one loss in the league

1810
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 5: like that atmosphere. Yes, that that's what I want. That's

1811
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 5: what you signed up to play in the Big twelve?

1812
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:52,799
Speaker 7: Correct? Correct?

1813
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 3: And it's attainable.

1814
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 4: I just again the Utah game, there were so many

1815
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 4: things that have been characteristic about this team that bubbled

1816
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 4: to the surface against the Utes. I'm interested in how

1817
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:14,560
Speaker 4: much all that stuff proves to be an outlier.

1818
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 5: Yep or ends up being someone that dooms this season,

1819
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 5: Like by this time next week we're saying here we

1820
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 5: go again. Or man, they put that past them and

1821
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 5: it was one bad game, right, because the way Utah plays,

1822
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 5: a lot of teams probably say that was a bad

1823
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:33,680
Speaker 5: game for us. I mean, they are physical, but you

1824
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 5: knew that. You knew that atmosphere out there was incredible,

1825
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 5: you knew.

1826
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 4: They were going to run the ball, you knew that

1827
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 4: it was how they how the Bearcats were complicit in

1828
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:42,640
Speaker 4: their own demid Yep, specifically at quarterback.

1829
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 7: Correct.

1830
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:46,800
Speaker 3: And I wonder about that because.

1831
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 4: Last year I saw Sores be down the stretch where

1832
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 4: it just it blew up and he said, a very

1833
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 4: good season. But I I am curious, does the one

1834
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 4: bad game end up being one bad game or does

1835
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 4: it into four because last year it turned into five.

1836
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what I don't want to see Saturday.

1837
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 5: A ball batted down on the first possession because I

1838
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 5: legitimately thought that that that Toyd with sores be a

1839
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 5: little bit I think it. You know, you think of

1840
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 5: the next set of throws he made. None were over

1841
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 5: the middle for quite some time. It was low percentage

1842
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 5: outside throws that just low likelihood and completion.

1843
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:26,719
Speaker 3: Let's tell you what I want to see.

1844
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 4: I want to see in the first play of the game,

1845
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 4: in eight yard pass to Joe Royer.

1846
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 5: You know what's crazy, I should love people you and

1847
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 5: I don't get paid money to talk about Joe Royer. No,

1848
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:40,600
Speaker 5: Like I think Joe's a great player, great family. Like

1849
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 5: I just can't I can't fathom, like for like, from

1850
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 5: playing quarterback, a favorable matchup at tight end is one

1851
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 5: of the best things you can have, Like think of

1852
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:55,680
Speaker 5: Mahomes and Kelsey, Like there's a reason that's been Like

1853
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 5: if you've got a favorable matchup at tight end that

1854
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 5: alleviate it's a lot of problems. H And I am

1855
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,600
Speaker 5: shocked that we are in year two of this with

1856
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 5: three games to go, still talking about Man, it just

1857
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 5: doesn't feel like they're utilizing it.

1858
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 4: And you've brought this up before. We're not paid to

1859
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 4: talk about Joe vill No, but there's two things.

1860
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 3: I'll give you. One.

1861
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 4: You know, I live on the west side of Cincinnati.

1862
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 4: I can't go anywhere without somebody asking me, like, why

1863
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:23,760
Speaker 4: why is it your guy throw Joe Royer at the ball?

1864
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 3: Number Two?

1865
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 4: You and I read draft list, Yes, we read evaluations.

1866
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 3: Everybody.

1867
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:31,640
Speaker 4: The NFL people love Joe Royer. The people who do

1868
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:34,599
Speaker 4: the NFL draft leees love Joe Royer and so.

1869
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 5: And by all accounts, like when I see stuff like

1870
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 5: posted by UC Yeah, I see traveling with the team.

1871
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 5: They're great friends. It's not like they hate each other

1872
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:48,639
Speaker 5: off the field, like they are legitimately great friends. Nothing

1873
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:50,679
Speaker 5: about it makes sense nothing.

1874
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:54,599
Speaker 4: I'm pulling it up here. So that's why you hear

1875
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 4: the hesitation. But I mean, if you just look at

1876
01:33:56,920 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 4: the numbers, twenty three catches on the season for three

1877
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:04,599
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty yards, and I think, what was it,

1878
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 4: five of those catches came in one game.

1879
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got a.

1880
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 4: Pass each each of the last two. Prior to the

1881
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 4: five catch game, that one went for sixty seven yards.

1882
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 4: He had two catches. Like what I watch on Saturdays

1883
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 4: doesn't mesh with.

1884
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:25,320
Speaker 7: What two and a half catches per game, right, doesn't.

1885
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,639
Speaker 4: Mesh with what I know about Joe Royer and how

1886
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 4: how in high regard he is held.

1887
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 3: And it's one thing when they're winning, Yep.

1888
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 4: It's something else when you see a game like Saturday

1889
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 4: against Utah last week and the offense isn't working and

1890
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 4: it felt like he wasn't even a part of the

1891
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 4: game plan.

1892
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, in a game you were already shorthanded without your

1893
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 5: leading back right and your receivers were struggling to get separation.

1894
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 5: That didn't make sense. So yeah, the hope is it's

1895
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 5: a one off. The hopes is they bounce back and

1896
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:57,639
Speaker 5: you go from there.

1897
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 4: I just first play, give me make it a ten,

1898
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 4: Make it a first and ten pass for ten yards.

1899
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:07,040
Speaker 4: That number one is a high, high percentage completion for

1900
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 4: Brendan Sores. Meet number two announces, here's the guy you

1901
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 4: gotta stop. Yep, this is the NFL guy on our offense.

1902
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:14,760
Speaker 7: Here's the guy. Yeah.

1903
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:16,960
Speaker 4: During the by a week we decided, you know what,

1904
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to figure out a way to stop

1905
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 4: our NFL tight end. I don't get it, man.

1906
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's baffled me for a year and a half.

1907
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:27,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, this goes back to last year. Yeah, like Joe

1908
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 4: Royer had forty five catches last season, which I think, Yeah,

1909
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 4: it's a team school school record. The numbers should have

1910
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:37,799
Speaker 4: been closer to sixty five. All right, Twin Peaks and Florence,

1911
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:41,000
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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow is practicing, I mean not right now, but.

1933
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 3: He practiced today.

1934
01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:00,040
Speaker 7: Might still be out. There could be limited extra working.

1935
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:01,080
Speaker 3: Limited capacity.

1936
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 4: He has been cleared to resume working out, not really

1937
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 4: doing eleven on eleven work, according to Zach Taylor. Not

1938
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:09,599
Speaker 4: expecting him to play on Sunday. According to Zach Taylor,

1939
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 4: but taking a step in the right direction. He has

1940
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 4: twenty one days where he could practice without counting against

1941
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 4: the fifty three man roster. Zach also said today Trey

1942
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 4: Hendrickson right now considered doubtful for Sunday Bengals and Steelers

1943
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 4: at one Sunday afternoon on ESPN fifteen thirty. Linebacker Brian

1944
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 4: Assomwah has been added to the active roster off the

1945
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 4: practice squad, and linebacker Antoine Powell Ryland has been signed

1946
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:36,519
Speaker 4: by the Bengals. Added to the practice squad a rookie

1947
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 4: out of Virginia Tech who played in five games for

1948
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 4: the Eagles this season. Eagles take on the Packers tonight

1949
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 4: Monday Night Football on ESPN fifteen thirty. Giants fired their

1950
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:49,800
Speaker 4: head coach Brian Daball. College basketball tonight, Richard Patino trying

1951
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:51,680
Speaker 4: to make it three and o Exavier as the Musketeer's

1952
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 4: host Santa Clara tip off at eight thirty on seven

1953
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:58,680
Speaker 4: hundred WLW. The kickoff time for the FC Cincinnati game

1954
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 4: against Miami on the twenty third was said today that

1955
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:04,040
Speaker 4: game will begin at five o'clock and the Columbus Blue

1956
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:05,719
Speaker 4: Jackets skate tonight at Edmonton.

1957
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:08,559
Speaker 3: There we have it got like a good ten minutes

1958
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 3: in you.

1959
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, what do you think?

1960
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:13,839
Speaker 3: I think your voice right now sounds better than mine.

1961
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 5: You want to talk college basketball, we can do some

1962
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:18,280
Speaker 5: of that. College hoops, you can do some of those.

1963
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 5: There's an awesome college basketball weekend.

1964
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 3: It really was.

1965
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 7: Saint John's Alabama was phenomenal to watch.

1966
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1967
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 5: I thought Kansas North Carolina Friday night was a great one.

1968
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 5: Michigan State taking care of Arkansas. Yeah, I mean there

1969
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 5: are some early, early good games going on. I think

1970
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 5: the build up between Louisville and Kentucky, albeit like weird

1971
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 5: as you said, because they're playing so early, but the

1972
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:49,280
Speaker 5: Louisville player essentially leaving the press conference with Antham, I

1973
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:51,960
Speaker 5: think just adds to the rivalry. And I also think

1974
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 5: like more of a of a the personality the coach

1975
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 5: is showing through, Like I could see Kelsey in like

1976
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 5: the meetings, like, hey, this is Pope's just kind of

1977
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:03,160
Speaker 5: like a little laid back and yeah, and I think

1978
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 5: that's how the two sides have kind of reacted towards it.

1979
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 4: It also feels like, you know, Louisville went through a lot, yeah,

1980
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 4: Chris Mack post Chris Mack, And it feels like Pat

1981
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 4: Kelsey has the program on very and I think Mark

1982
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:22,479
Speaker 4: Pope has a team that has a shot at least

1983
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:23,879
Speaker 4: offensively and being really.

1984
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:25,040
Speaker 3: Good like it.

1985
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:27,280
Speaker 4: It feels like, I have no idea why they're playing

1986
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 4: this early, but it feels like that rivalry has a

1987
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:35,639
Speaker 4: chance to be what it should be and to a degree,

1988
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:37,599
Speaker 4: really hasn't been in recent years.

1989
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:40,040
Speaker 5: And both teams playing well in the early part of

1990
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 5: their schedule. And I think it's interesting watching tonight becuz

1991
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:48,719
Speaker 5: they if you're two and zero, they've been tested twice. Yeah,

1992
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:50,560
Speaker 5: and then the nine line is like three and a

1993
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:53,280
Speaker 5: half or four and a half tonight. I think they're

1994
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:55,919
Speaker 5: an interesting team to see how they improve going forward.

1995
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 5: But to me, like tomorrow night, like you said it

1996
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 5: selfishly for you because you're a fan of Dayton and

1997
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:06,400
Speaker 5: you see you wish that game wasn't played selfishly for me,

1998
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 5: that's a good night at college basketball. Yes, like Wake Forest,

1999
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:15,560
Speaker 5: Michigan can be good, Florida State, Florida can be good. Kentucky, Louisville,

2000
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 5: Texas Tech and Illinois play tomorrow night. Gonzog and Creighton

2001
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 5: is a top twenty five matchup. And you see, eventually

2002
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 5: we have to start talking about U see differently, eventually

2003
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:29,000
Speaker 5: we have to start talking about them in the sense

2004
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 5: of okay, it feels like they're turning a corner under

2005
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:34,880
Speaker 5: west Miller. I think you alluded to something earlier that

2006
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 5: I was watching over the weekend. Arrington Page can his

2007
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 5: debut at Northwestern like twenty five and twelve or something

2008
01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 5: like that. Dylan Mitchell has been good for Saint John's.

2009
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:51,559
Speaker 5: There are players that have left this program that are

2010
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 5: playing well early on elsewhere. Dan Skillings has said a

2011
01:40:55,920 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 5: good start to his Baylor tenure. My good players less

2012
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 5: that's the thing. Talented players I watched. I look back

2013
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:06,640
Speaker 5: to the last year they were talented. I've been I

2014
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 5: went Friday. I think they have talented players like I.

2015
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 5: I think Chim is A is a talented big man.

2016
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 5: I think Bobob Miller is a really good player. I

2017
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:20,920
Speaker 5: think Seana Bive like I just think they have really

2018
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:24,120
Speaker 5: good pieces. But I left Friday wondering the same thing

2019
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 5: I wondered so much last year, as how do all

2020
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:26,840
Speaker 5: these pieces fit?

2021
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:29,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like, I get it's early on.

2022
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:32,240
Speaker 5: I'm old I'm old school in the sense that I

2023
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:33,599
Speaker 5: feel like at some point you got to get your

2024
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:35,960
Speaker 5: lineup down to eight, seven or eight, or you got

2025
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 5: to go with it. I know it's harder in today's

2026
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 5: era because you want to make everyone happy and you're

2027
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:44,519
Speaker 5: worried about guy. The most competitive teams, when the season

2028
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:46,760
Speaker 5: gets to the thick of it, are going to play

2029
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 5: eight guys like they have to find a way to

2030
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:49,599
Speaker 5: get to that.

2031
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:51,760
Speaker 7: It makes uneasy conversations.

2032
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:54,240
Speaker 5: I get that, But if you want to be a contender,

2033
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:56,840
Speaker 5: you've got to be able to trim the roster. And

2034
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:01,000
Speaker 5: I think one of the hardest things in coaching is

2035
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 5: adjusting on the fly. Like you start the game, someone

2036
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:08,800
Speaker 5: doesn't have it or someone does have it, because you

2037
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 5: go into every game with a plan, right, And I

2038
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 5: genuinely think that Coach Miller goes into a game and says, hey,

2039
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:18,600
Speaker 5: at this mark, we're subbing here. They're they're rotating so

2040
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 5: many guys and it doesn't feel at times like guys

2041
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:24,360
Speaker 5: have a feel for the game. And that that, to me,

2042
01:42:24,439 --> 01:42:27,000
Speaker 5: I think, is if you're going to be a contender.

2043
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:32,040
Speaker 5: You mentioned since here Harris was awesome early on night

2044
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 5: the other night, and then he came out for no

2045
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 5: other rhyme or reason other than that's his time to

2046
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:40,760
Speaker 5: come out. Ride the hot hand. Somebody's making shots, if

2047
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:44,000
Speaker 5: someone's struggling. I think that confidence for this team of

2048
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 5: Seannabie is going to be incredible. If I'm in an

2049
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:51,040
Speaker 5: early on setting and I see that it's not going

2050
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 5: for him, is there something I can call to get

2051
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 5: him one, get him go to the basket, let him

2052
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:59,000
Speaker 5: see one go in. Just the little stuff like that,

2053
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:03,000
Speaker 5: and then I get it. They can't turn the ball over.

2054
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:05,560
Speaker 5: They've been a bad shooting free throw team since I

2055
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 5: can remember. They've not shot the free throw well at all.

2056
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:13,160
Speaker 5: They didn't shoot outside on Friday night particularly well. Again,

2057
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 5: I like the makeup of this team. They just got

2058
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:17,080
Speaker 5: a lot of questions.

2059
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:21,080
Speaker 4: So come back to three themes we've been talking about

2060
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:24,920
Speaker 4: for a while. Depth is not overrated, But the idea

2061
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:27,160
Speaker 4: that you're gonna play ten to eleven guys, I think

2062
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:32,800
Speaker 4: is what I watch. Good college basketball teams play hard

2063
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:36,880
Speaker 4: games in January and February for the most part, and

2064
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:39,680
Speaker 4: there are exceptions, but for the most part, they're not

2065
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:43,320
Speaker 4: playing eleven dudes, yep. They're playing eight in some cases

2066
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:45,120
Speaker 4: seven and in some cases.

2067
01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 7: Gets in foul trouble, get it, put.

2068
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:54,439
Speaker 4: In a specialist, or there are exceptions. So I think

2069
01:43:54,479 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 4: what we've seen here over the last couple of years

2070
01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:58,879
Speaker 4: is a willingness to just play everybody.

2071
01:43:59,320 --> 01:43:59,599
Speaker 6: Yep.

2072
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 3: Early in the season. That's okay if you shrinking.

2073
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:23,080
Speaker 8: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic in erl.

2074
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:26,080
Speaker 9: Ainger on eastbound two seventy five, there's an accident on

2075
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:29,400
Speaker 9: the right shoulder after seventy one seventy five. Police are

2076
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:33,080
Speaker 9: there on scene. Also a crash westbound two seventy five

2077
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:36,640
Speaker 9: after Lebanon Road, that one also on the right shoulder,

2078
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:38,160
Speaker 9: and Anderson Berry Road.

2079
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:41,200
Speaker 1: An accident at Juwelmar Drive. I met e Xelic with

2080
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:44,080
Speaker 1: traffic looking for I solutions.

2081
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 7: Oh that's what happens.

2082
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:49,679
Speaker 5: I bring up one college basketball second on a football

2083
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:51,240
Speaker 5: shelf and we get pulled off the air.

2084
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:53,000
Speaker 7: We get ripped off the air, all right?

2085
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:55,800
Speaker 4: Really for a second, I was nervous, really quick. I

2086
01:44:55,840 --> 01:45:00,200
Speaker 4: wish we would play fewer guys. Yes, still try to

2087
01:45:00,200 --> 01:45:04,160
Speaker 4: figure out how the pieces are gonna fit, and the

2088
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 4: program needs a mood turning victory that you feel like

2089
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:14,040
Speaker 4: is tangible proof of the program taking a hard pivot

2090
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:16,679
Speaker 4: toward being an NCAA tournament mainstay.

2091
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:19,160
Speaker 5: And I got an opportunity coming up next Friday.

2092
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:22,400
Speaker 4: Against a really good Louisville team on what's going to

2093
01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 4: be a neutral floor. Wes has not won a lot

2094
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:29,800
Speaker 4: of those games, quite frankly. He's won some good Big

2095
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 4: twelve games, but I don't think he's won a game

2096
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:37,599
Speaker 4: like that. And to me, like the program last year,

2097
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:39,679
Speaker 4: there were a couple of times where before games Wes

2098
01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:42,160
Speaker 4: would say, no one thinks we have a chance to win.

2099
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:47,160
Speaker 4: That has never been a part of my vocabulary as

2100
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 4: a Bearcat fan. With a handful of exceptions, mixed first

2101
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:53,240
Speaker 4: year or two. That cannot continue.

2102
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:53,320
Speaker 3: To be a thing.

2103
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 4: The way it ceases becoming a thing is winning games

2104
01:45:57,400 --> 01:45:59,679
Speaker 4: like that. I think the Dayton game will be a challenge.

2105
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:03,160
Speaker 4: The Fly on Saturday against Maryland Baltimore County were not great.

2106
01:46:03,320 --> 01:46:05,960
Speaker 4: That Louisville game is going to be won. Yeah, and

2107
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:07,960
Speaker 4: like at some point you gotta go get a game

2108
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 4: like that and.

2109
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 7: For that, like you know, Louisville inten tit wise is

2110
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:11,479
Speaker 7: gonna bring it.

2111
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:12,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2112
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:14,960
Speaker 5: My whole life has been about intensity and toughness with

2113
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:15,839
Speaker 5: UC basketball.

2114
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:18,519
Speaker 7: It was lacking last year. They need to get it back.

2115
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:19,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. And again like.

2116
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 4: Last year's team had good players, Yep, they didn't fit.

2117
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:27,400
Speaker 4: I think this year's team has good players. It is

2118
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:29,840
Speaker 4: fair to go. Look, it's gonna take more than two

2119
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:32,559
Speaker 4: games for the pieces to fit, yep. But they better

2120
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:34,720
Speaker 4: fit by next Friday. Frankly, they better fit by.

2121
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:36,800
Speaker 5: Tomorrow, correct or else you're gonna get beating your home

2122
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:40,720
Speaker 5: for who uh, who's your Who's your second best team?

2123
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:43,559
Speaker 7: In college football? Are we?

2124
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:45,880
Speaker 5: It's it's odd? Are we just not talking at all

2125
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:48,879
Speaker 5: about Texas A and M. I was gonna say Alabama,

2126
01:46:49,120 --> 01:46:51,160
Speaker 5: I mean A and M went to Missouri top twenty

2127
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 5: five team took care of business. They're undefeated their third

2128
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:55,679
Speaker 5: and I feel like they're the least talked about team

2129
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:56,320
Speaker 5: in the top ten.

2130
01:46:56,760 --> 01:47:00,360
Speaker 4: I think ohiost eight is actually I think I think

2131
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:02,080
Speaker 4: Ohio State is the least talked about team in the.

2132
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:04,280
Speaker 7: Tam because they're alone at the top.

2133
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:08,120
Speaker 4: Alone at the top, beating teams in solid fashion, but

2134
01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:12,360
Speaker 4: not overly spectacular. Julian saying, obviously is a fair bet

2135
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:14,519
Speaker 4: to to win the Heisman for Nanda Mendoz is gonna

2136
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:19,880
Speaker 4: have something to say about that as well. I I

2137
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:22,679
Speaker 4: feel like Ohio State, especially in this part of the country,

2138
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 4: for being number one, being the defending national champion, it

2139
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:29,599
Speaker 4: just there's and this is no knock on them, because

2140
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:31,920
Speaker 4: I think they're the best team in the country. I

2141
01:47:31,320 --> 01:47:33,559
Speaker 4: feel I feel like nobody talks about how good they are.

2142
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:36,960
Speaker 4: I feel like, frankly, all the conversations about all the

2143
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:39,439
Speaker 4: coaches getting fired and all the other stuff in the

2144
01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:42,000
Speaker 4: sport means we really don't talk about teams.

2145
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's weird, like they win thirty four tenant

2146
01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:47,840
Speaker 5: Perdue and it's like, uh whatever, Yeah, Like, I mean,

2147
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,240
Speaker 5: they're just they've taken care of business in a good way.

2148
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 4: And I also feel like to a degree, Ohio State,

2149
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:56,320
Speaker 4: Texas A, and m Indiana those are playoff.

2150
01:47:55,880 --> 01:47:56,720
Speaker 3: Teams no matter what.

2151
01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so.

2152
01:47:58,240 --> 01:48:00,640
Speaker 4: Okay, we're gonna not talk so much about them, but

2153
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 4: we'll talk about the teams that are going to be

2154
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:04,360
Speaker 4: vying for those last few spots.

2155
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:08,240
Speaker 5: I think Texas Tech solidified a playoff spot. Can the

2156
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:11,000
Speaker 5: Big Twelve get two teams in the twelve team?

2157
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:15,120
Speaker 4: I think if BYU beat them, I don't think Cincinnati can't.

2158
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 5: What if they win the Big Twelve title, if they

2159
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:18,720
Speaker 5: win the Big Twelve title, If they win the Big

2160
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:21,719
Speaker 5: Twelve title, would Texas Tech still be a playoff team?

2161
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:23,680
Speaker 3: Possibly because that would be the.

2162
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:25,559
Speaker 5: Path, right, you see your BUYU go to the Big

2163
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:27,800
Speaker 5: twelve title win over Texas Tech.

2164
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:29,439
Speaker 3: Yes, and Texas Tech, because.

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Speaker 7: Of how highly rated they are, still stays in the

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Speaker 7: top twelve.

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Speaker 4: How the game would be played would have something to

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Speaker 4: say about that.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, all right, let.

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Speaker 3: Omar Cooper catch the play of the year.

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Speaker 7: Stupid good.

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Speaker 3: That's a fun game.

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Speaker 5: And since getting rid of the VEST, Luke Fickel want

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Speaker 5: to know and a voter confetence, a voter confidence that

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Speaker 5: VEST should have gone a long time ago. Yep, right,

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Speaker 5: we're done.

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Speaker 7: Tick.

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Speaker 4: Tony is back for Tony Pike since he three sixty

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Speaker 4: at noon. I am back tomorrow three oh five if

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Speaker 4: we are at the Twin Peaks in Florence next week.

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Speaker 4: Thanks to Mike Mills for producing on site. Thanks to

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Speaker 4: Terren Bland for producing back in Kenwood day before he

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Speaker 4: leaves for vacation.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, have a great vacation, Tarren.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you tomorrow. I have a great night.

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Speaker 4: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati sports station

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