1 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Non I a minute, not Star Wars was stop. 2 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 2: We can we do the whole second hour on Star 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: Wars too? 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 3: It was like ninety seconds, maybe two minutes. 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 4: I'm down for the second hour. You want to break 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 4: down the prequels. 7 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 3: For those that missed it. 8 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 5: I was talking with Andrew Langer here on Twin Cities 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 5: News Talk. That's in February of twenty twenty seven. For 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 5: the fiftieth anniversary of Star Wars. They're releasing the original. 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 5: This will be the one that aired in theaters, not 12 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 5: any of the additions that George Lucas made in the future. 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 5: May quite a bit of headlines over the weekend. People 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 5: know that I'm a Star Wars fan. Here, Like I said, 15 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 5: I spent like two minutes talking about with Andrew Langer 16 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 5: and the friend of the show already complaining, you know what, 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 5: since that friend of the show complained, I'm gonna play 18 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 5: another talkback. 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 6: Hey, John farm say. I also am looking to see 20 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 6: the original footage of Han shooting Grito first, because I'm good. 21 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 6: It's from the goods of bad and the ugly. You're 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 6: gonna shoot shoot, don't talk, all right, Grito and you 23 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 6: guys shot? You got what he deserves. 24 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 3: Fie are you? Are you a who shot first terrorist? 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: So here's the deal on that. 26 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 5: I'll spend another another, you know, sixty seconds talking about this. 27 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 4: This is why you don't want to talk back about it, 28 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 4: because you you'll encourage it. 29 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 5: So just a just a quick for those that may 30 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 5: not be familiar. In the original Star Wars, Han Solo 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,919 Speaker 5: has a conversation. One of the first times we see Solo, 32 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 5: he has a conversation with an alien named Gredo and 33 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 5: they get to a back and forth, Gritos holding up 34 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 5: a gunpoint and Han shoots him before Greedo can get 35 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 5: a can get a shot off. And Lucas tinkered with 36 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 5: that throughout the years and sort of made it closer 37 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 5: and closer to them shooting at the same time, or 38 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 5: making it look like Grido shot first, and all of this, 39 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 5: and so this has become a big, huge deal of 40 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 5: hanshot first. And answer to your question, I don't care 41 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 5: from an entertainment standpoint, like, it doesn't bother me when 42 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 5: I watch the film, right, I doesn't. 43 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 3: I don't get angry. 44 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 5: Preference would be the handshot first. I remember as a 45 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 5: five year old. 46 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 3: Seeing that happen and thinking to myself, Oh my gosh, 47 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 3: this guy just shot that green dude before anything else happened. 48 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: That was the cute it was. 49 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 5: It had a huge impact on me as a as 50 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 5: a kid. So it should it should stay there. But 51 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 5: I don't get upset if it's a ficy a different version. 52 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: It's just because it sets the tone. 53 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 4: The people that get so haughty over it is because 54 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 4: while its said they can't trust Han Solo and he's 55 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 4: a dangerous guy, where if he responds then is to 56 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 4: like it changes the whole tone of it. 57 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 3: I just I could carry the which way I like 58 00:02:59,320 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 3: the movies go. 59 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 5: Once you see it, you know what the story is. 60 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 5: It doesn't really matter anymore. That correct, That impact that's 61 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 5: going to have on you is gone. 62 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: It's gone. 63 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 5: Hello that although we did watch I couldn't tell you 64 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 5: the last time I had seen it. We did watch 65 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 5: Titanic over the weekend, right, no little terry head right 66 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 5: there at the just a little tiny bit. Never seen it. 67 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 5: I know the story, I know what happens. Spoiler alert. 68 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: You need to see Titanic. 69 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, come on, anyway, you're well first in movies, Brett, 70 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 5: I am, that's one you gotta see. 71 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 3: I enjoyed the Star Wars talk. 72 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 7: Oh no, I'm not briv enough of politics now. 73 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 5: I just know that I'm going to get another talk 74 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 5: back from a friend of He is a friend of 75 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 5: the show. 76 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: He just likes to complain a lot. 77 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,839 Speaker 5: White House borders are Tom Homan pushback on Sunday after 78 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 5: CNNs and Dana Bash suggested federal immigration agents were stopping 79 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 5: suspected illegal immigrants based on their skin color. 80 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 3: Here's that how that exchange went down. 81 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 8: You said in an interview this week that reasonable suspicion 82 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 8: can be based on quote, the location, their occupation, their 83 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 8: physical appearance, their actions. What about an individual's physical appearance 84 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 8: would give immigration agents quote reasonable suspicion that they might 85 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 8: be in the US illegally. 86 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 9: Well, first of all, let me be clear. Physical description 87 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 9: can't be the sole factor to give you reasonal suspicion, 88 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 9: As I said to an interview's artypical facts with an s, 89 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 9: so appearance can be just one. For instance, if someone 90 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 9: has ans thirteen tattoo in the face, that may be 91 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 9: one factor to add to other factors to raise reason suspicion. 92 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 9: I want to be clear about that again, because my 93 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 9: work to take out of context physical description cannot be 94 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 9: the sole reason to detain and question somebody. That can't 95 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 9: be the sole reason to raise reasonal suspicion. It's a 96 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 9: myriad of factors, and I can see it for the 97 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 9: next half hour and give you all the factors. So 98 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 9: every officer, every situation is different. If I can tell 99 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 9: you this, Every ICE officer goes through Fourth Amendment training 100 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 9: every six months. I reminded what their authorities are for 101 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 9: rest detention questioning. So the officer very well trained. So 102 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 9: I look forward to dj litigating the judge's decision. I 103 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 9: don't I think she'd make a decision well knowing what 104 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 9: that officer knows when they when they get on that 105 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 9: vehicle to question somebody. 106 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 5: It's all such make believe reporting. So drives me nuts. 107 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 5: Dana Bash knows this. I get it, like I understand 108 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 5: the reason why they're clearing it up for viewers. It's 109 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 5: not like Dana Bash is hoping here that you know, 110 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 5: she's going to go and help Homan by giving him 111 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 5: an opportunity to explain himself. But she knows that it's 112 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 5: not the sole reason. I just it just seems like 113 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 5: such fake reporting. A letter signed by doctor Memet owez 114 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 5: on behalf of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, 115 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 5: says the agency is increasing concerned with the performance and 116 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 5: integrity of Minnesota's medicaid program and it could require immediate 117 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 5: action or the state's federal medicaid funding could be withheld 118 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 5: from programs expected of fraud. And just add this to 119 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 5: the growing list of federal tax dollars that Governor Tim 120 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 5: Walls continues to put in jeopardy because of his failed leadership. Now, 121 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 5: as a bit of a preview, as we move into 122 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 5: hour two here on Twin Cities News Talk does a 123 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 5: story speaking of fake reporting. 124 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 3: We're gonna spend some time on this. Coming up in 125 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: a moment. 126 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 5: The Star Tribune over the weekend, Governor Tim Walls's buddy 127 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 5: that runs the Strip, Steve Grove, going out of their 128 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 5: way to try to help the DFL Democrats and Walls 129 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 5: anyway they can with a story that's been shredded by 130 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 5: a lot of different people, and I will do my part. 131 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 5: Coming up in just a moment, Trump claims Minnesota lost 132 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 5: billions to fraud. 133 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 3: The evidence to date isn't close. 134 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 5: There's a very interesting semantics game that the Star Tribune 135 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 5: is playing with this piece that we'll dive into in 136 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 5: just a moment. 137 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: It's bogus. Let me just put it that way. It's bogus. 138 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 5: It's billions, even if you go by the rationale of 139 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 5: the Star Tribune. 140 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 3: I don't care. Fraud is fraud, you know, like love 141 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 3: is love. 142 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 10: I'm just kidding. 143 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 5: So we'll dive into this coming up in just a moment. 144 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 5: But let's continue with doctor Oz. So here's what doctor 145 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 5: Oz had to say over the weekend in reference to 146 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 5: what Fox nine was reporting on how he's calling for 147 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 5: Governor Tim Walls to address the systemic fraud in the 148 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 5: medicaid system in Minnesota. 149 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 11: It's true, a Somali fraud ring in Minnesota. I stole 150 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 11: over a billion dollars for medicaid. How did this happen? Well, 151 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 11: Medicaid programs are run by the states, which in Minnesota 152 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 11: means the Tim Walls administration. 153 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 12: Governor Walls and the states. 154 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 11: Other Democrats rely on Somali votes to get elected. So 155 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 11: they decided to look the other way because they were 156 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 11: afraid of quote unquote political backlash. 157 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 12: Don't take my word for it. 158 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 11: That's what a Somali American fraud investigator told New York Times. 159 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 11: When these scammers realized that nobody was guarding the cash register, 160 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 11: they went gangbusters. One program designed to provide housing stabilization 161 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 11: assistance to patients ballooned to one hundred and four million 162 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 11: dollars when four years ago it was projected to cost 163 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 11: only two point six million. Some of these taxpayer funds 164 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 11: may have even ended up in the hands of a 165 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 11: Somalian terrorist group, scary stuff. When CMS became aware of 166 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 11: the housing program situation, Minnesota insisted it could clean up 167 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 11: its ownness. A few months ago, it admitted it could not, 168 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 11: so we stepped in the shutdown the fraud infested housing Initiative. 169 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 12: Today, we're taking action. 170 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 11: On more than a dozen other programs, which have outlined 171 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 11: in the Postporlar. 172 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 12: Our message to Walt's is clear. 173 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 11: Either fix this in sixty days or start looking under 174 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 11: your cash for spare change, because we are done footing 175 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 11: the bill for your incompetence. This administration will never stop 176 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 11: fighting to protect the vulnerable Americans who rely on these 177 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 11: programs and the taxpayers who fund them. We're going to 178 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 11: crush waste, fraud, and abuse. 179 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 13: Hey, could Republicans stop threatening and just start doing please? 180 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 13: I'm tired of Republican threats. They are always empty. It's 181 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 13: like they're a fake political party or something. 182 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 5: But they're not always empty. That's just simply not true. Patience, 183 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 5: my young padawan. Things take time. This administration cannot just 184 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 5: run roughshod over these issues. They're under the spotlight, under 185 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 5: scrutiny the likes of which no administration or president has 186 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 5: ever seen before. And these things take time. I too 187 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 5: want to see something get done. That's what doctor Oz 188 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 5: is talking about here. Now, you and I have known 189 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 5: about this for a long time. I understand how because 190 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 5: of the knowledge that we've had of the corruption, the fraud, 191 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 5: waste and abuse here in Minnesota, that now that this 192 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 5: has reached the attention nationally, there is this desire for 193 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 5: something immediately to get done. 194 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: But these things do take time. 195 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 5: There's a process involved, and just because the rest of 196 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 5: the country is finally catching up doesn't mean that we're 197 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 5: immediately going to see any ramifications of what's taking place 198 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 5: at the federal level. 199 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 3: Regarding all of this. 200 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 5: It speaks to the failure of the local media here 201 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 5: in Minnesota to raise the proper awareness over this beyond 202 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 5: cursory one day reporting on these particular issues just to 203 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 5: completely forget about it altogether. It's why you have Governor 204 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 5: Tim Walls's buddy Steve Grove over at the Star Tribune 205 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 5: letting out these ridiculous pieces of propaganda that we'll talk 206 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 5: about next, wherein they claim Trump says that Minnesota has 207 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 5: lost billions to fraud, the evidence to date isn't close. Well, 208 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 5: you know what, the Star Tribute should go back and 209 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 5: look at their own reporting because I have multiple quotes from. 210 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 3: Previous stories in the Star Tribune where. 211 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 5: They too perpetuate the idea that billions of dollars have. 212 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 3: Been lost because of fraud. 213 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 5: Because spoiler alert, billions of dollars have been lost because 214 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 5: of fraud. I will share with you the semantics game 215 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 5: that they're trying to play in this article. Have a 216 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 5: lot more audio to share, and of course we'll get 217 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 5: to more of your talkbacks brought to you by Lyndahl 218 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 5: Realty next on Twinsday's News Talk AM eleven thirty and 219 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 5: one oh three five FM. 220 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 10: Good morning, John. 221 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 14: I think you talk about the Medicare fraud and doctor 222 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 14: Oz's statements. 223 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 15: You know, you just mentioned scrutiny that. 224 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 14: Is placed on the Trump administration and everything they do 225 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 14: in the callback that would complain that Republicans aren't doing anything. 226 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 14: I wish the scrutiny that is placed on the Trump 227 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 14: administration would be placed on Tim Walls and all the 228 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 14: administration here in Minnesota. Can you imagine how it would 229 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 14: clean up? 230 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 5: Well, hopefully that's what's taking place right now. 231 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 3: With what we're seeing. 232 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 5: And all the attention that fraud is now garnering in 233 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 5: the mainstream news media. It's unfortunate that it's taken this 234 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 5: long for the news to get out. It speaks to 235 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 5: how complacent people have become here. 236 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,359 Speaker 3: And this isn't a dig, it's just the reality. 237 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 5: Everybody has gotten very used to thinking that nothing is 238 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 5: going to happen on this and while that's still a possibility, 239 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 5: right now, more than ever, there is an opportunity to 240 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 5: actually go and do something and hold people accountable for 241 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 5: the fraud that's been taking place, and the Walls administration 242 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 5: has been forced to make their own moves, shutting off 243 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 5: funding the Housing and Human Services fourteen other programs actually 244 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:08,599 Speaker 5: being asked the tough questions by local media on the issue. 245 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 16: I don't know if this is obvious, but Trump is 246 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 16: shrinking the federal government and by the time he's done, 247 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 16: probably by half, if not more. So in order to 248 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 16: do this, dates have to take on more responsibility. But 249 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 16: a state like Minnesota that is riddled with fraud, can 250 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 16: that happen? Probably not. So we're watching the exposure. We 251 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 16: will watch people get arrested, we will watch people go 252 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 16: to prison. And I'm guessing Walls doesn't even make it 253 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 16: to the twenty sixth elections. 254 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 3: Well, I don't think. I think Walls is in big trouble. 255 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 5: I mentioned this with Andrew Langer last hour here on 256 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 5: Twin Cities News Talk. As we continue the show from 257 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 5: the six five to one carpet plus next day install studios, 258 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 5: I'm seeing more and more prominent voices out there, other 259 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 5: commentators that have different audiences than mine, that are saying 260 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 5: exactly the same thing. Shouldn't rerunning for reelection, going so 261 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 5: far as to say Walls should resign. Will all of 262 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 5: it be enough pressure? I would love to be, as 263 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 5: I said late last week, a fly on the wall 264 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 5: to the internal conversations that are taking place among prominent 265 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 5: Democrats when Governor Tim Walls isn't around, and what they're 266 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 5: thinking right now of and if Governor Tim Walls is 267 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 5: damaged to the point where he can't go and win reelection. 268 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 12: Good morning, John. 269 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: I have a question as a Minnesota taxpayer, could a 270 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: bunch of taxpayers get together and file a class action 271 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: because this is becoming ridiculous if we put the word 272 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: out and started getting petitions and tens of thousands of 273 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: signed the people who want to sue Minnesota government. 274 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 7: Officials and programs for negligence, is that possible? 275 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 12: Thank you? 276 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 5: So I sent you your talk back over to lawyer 277 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 5: extraordinaire Jeff O'Brien to get his quick answer, and he said, 278 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 5: theoretically yes, but it's also very complicated, and even without 279 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 5: being a lawyer extraordinaire as Jeff O'Brien is, that was 280 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 5: my initial gut reaction is that there probably is a 281 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 5: technical avenue or as Jeff says, a theoretically a way 282 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 5: to go and do that. But in order to make 283 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 5: that happen and for it to be viable to get 284 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 5: enough people sign on, I would rather those energy at 285 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 5: that energy, any dollar amounts attached to it. I would 286 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 5: much rather have that focused on increasing voter turnout for 287 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 5: Republicans heading into next year than trying to coordinate some 288 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 5: sort of class action lawsuit against the Walls administration, unless 289 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 5: that was part of the strategy to bring further attention 290 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 5: to what's going on. But right now it's getting a 291 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 5: lot of attention even without citizen lawsuits, which is why 292 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 5: you have the Star Tribune trying to come to Governor 293 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 5: Tim wall Aid with ridiculous editorials like this one written 294 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 5: by Emmy Martin and Jeffrey might Draft over the weekend. 295 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 5: The fraud allegations have been used as a justification for 296 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 5: a federal immigration enforcement against Minnesota's Somali population. Trump claims 297 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 5: Minnesota lost billions to fraud. The evidence to date isn't close. 298 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 5: There's a game that they're playing here. So here's what 299 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 5: they say in the piece. President Donald Trump's White House 300 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 5: claims and Democrats allowed one plus billion, a one plus 301 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 5: billion heist to take place, doing that thing with my fingers, 302 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 5: a figure the administration is using to justify its recent 303 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 5: targeting of Somali migrants in Minnesota. Another way to word 304 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 5: that it's just immigration enforcement. I want to point out 305 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 5: that it's the Star Tribune that's making specific reference here 306 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 5: to Smali migrants. 307 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 3: But be that as it may. 308 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 5: During the Cabinet meeting on Tuesday. Last week, Trump asserted 309 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 5: money's been ripped off from Minnesota, billions of dollars, declaring 310 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 5: that he doesn't want the individuals in our country. The 311 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 5: message has become a coordinated refrained by members of the 312 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 5: Trump administration to criticize Democrat Governor Tim Walls as he 313 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 5: runs for reelection while Minnesota is confronting one of the 314 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 5: largest of social services fraud scandals in its history. The 315 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 5: alleged fraud totals fall short of Trump's claims. 316 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 3: Oh interesting. 317 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 5: A review of court records shows the alleged fraud uncovered 318 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 5: to date is closer to one hundred and fifty two 319 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 5: million dollars. Yes, that is the number that the Star 320 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 5: Tribune decided to land on, instead of a billion. Oh 321 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 5: you know, it's more like one hundred and fifty two million. 322 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 6: Now. 323 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 5: They do go on to say, though, that number is 324 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 5: expected to grow as ongoing state and federal investigations into 325 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 5: state programs continue. So what's going on here? We'll talk 326 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 5: more about this coming up in a moment. I've got 327 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 5: a lot of audio to share, including Treasury Secretary Biscent, 328 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 5: who is also repeating the one billion dollars The Star 329 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 5: Tribune themselves have said over and over again that the 330 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 5: fraud is totally one billion dollars. 331 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 3: This is a. 332 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 5: Semantics game that Governor Tim Walls's buddy Steve Grove at 333 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 5: the behest of his writers here for the Star Tribune 334 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 5: and perpetuating. Let me give you an example of what 335 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 5: they're doing here. So let's say that there was an 336 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 5: act of terrorism. So a terrorist detonates a suicide vest 337 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 5: filled with explosive C four. He does this in the 338 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 5: center of a crowd of individuals. We'll say there's one 339 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 5: hundred people standing around this terrorist is he nates his explosives. 340 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 5: In the aftermath, authorities identify three bodies, ninety seven are 341 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 5: still missing. So you could say three confirmed dead, ninety 342 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 5: seven unaccounted for, or you can say one hundred people 343 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 5: died in the blast. That's what they're doing here. Officially, 344 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 5: I'm taking the tone of a Star Tribune reporter right now. 345 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 5: You know, officially, according to court records, it's only one 346 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 5: hundred and fifty two million dollars. That's not the reality. 347 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 5: It's not even close to being the reality. Everybody knows it. 348 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 5: The Star Tribune knows it. According to federal prosecutors. The 349 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 5: fraud schemes amounted to more than one billion and resulted 350 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 5: in convictions for nearly sixty people. That's according to one 351 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 5: Star Tribune story. Another Star Tribune story, Minnesota is becoming, 352 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 5: if it has than already a national poster child for 353 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 5: public corruption, with fraud now approaching one billion dollars. 354 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 3: That's another article. 355 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 5: Federal prosecutor say fraudsters stole more than one billion from 356 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 5: state run programs in recent years. 357 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 3: That's another Star Tribune story. 358 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 5: Oh and then you just go directly to the US 359 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 5: Attorney's Office District of Minnesota feeding our future house stabilization services, 360 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 5: autism services. 361 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 3: These massive fraud. 362 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 5: Schemes form a web that has stolen billions of dollars 363 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 5: in taxpayer money. But the Star Tribune wants to have 364 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 5: you believe that there's this semantics game going on where 365 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 5: you know, well, technically, guys, it's only one hundred and 366 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 5: fifty two million dollars. 367 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 3: If this is all that the Democrats have that the. 368 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 5: Leftists have to push back on what is being exposed 369 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 5: at the national level now, then Governor Tim Walls is 370 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 5: in a lot more trouble than even I have presented 371 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 5: on this very show on Twin City's News Talk b 372 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 5: iHeartRadio app. 373 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 17: Look, I understand people skepticism about Walls being held accountable 374 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 17: for anything. He's skated through COVID without any accountability. But 375 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 17: after January, once the holiday seasons are done, he's going 376 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 17: to face all. 377 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 3: Kinds of scrutiny because we're going to enter into an. 378 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 17: Election year and all this stuff is going to come 379 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 17: up over and over and over again. 380 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: I don't think he survives it, but we'll see. 381 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 5: No, I don't think he politically survives it either, but 382 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 5: I will echo your sentiment and say we shall see, 383 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 5: because we're not. 384 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 3: Done these investigations. 385 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 5: Now that we're getting attention at the national level, we're 386 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 5: only going to see more exposure. All of the fraud 387 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 5: has yet to be exposed, and I want to give 388 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 5: credit where credit is absolutely Do I understand or I 389 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 5: could understand me. Let me rephrase this, because I don't 390 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 5: know of this secifically, so I don't want to speak 391 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 5: out of turn, but I can certainly understand why individuals 392 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 5: that have been on top of this stuff for a 393 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 5: long time, whether you are a member of the legislature, 394 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 5: whether you are you know with Alpha News or American Experiment. 395 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 5: They've been talking about these issues, discussing them from multiple 396 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 5: different angles. Bill Glahn and centered the American Experiment, and 397 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 5: I have some stories of his regarding the very thing 398 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 5: that we're talking about in the Start Tribune article that 399 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 5: I'll share with you in just a moment. Has certainly 400 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 5: been on top of the fraud, as has Liz Colin 401 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 5: over at Alpha News regarding all the corruption across the board, 402 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 5: the larger issues of the state, especially surrounding the Walls administration. 403 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 5: They've been on top of it, exposing This is why 404 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 5: we've known about this stuff for a long time. But 405 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 5: now it's receiving national intention. So there's a bit of 406 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 5: a redundancy in what we're talking about on the show. 407 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 5: But to the Talkbacker's point, no, I tend to agree 408 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 5: the media isn't holding back anymore. I have some spectacular ought. 409 00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, you know what, I'm money 410 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 5: even gonna wait, I'm gonna go ahead and share it 411 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 5: with you now. I want to get back to this 412 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 5: story from the Star Tribune as Governor Tim Walls's buddy 413 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 5: Steve Grove attempts to go and provide cover for Walls. 414 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 3: Saying well, you know right now, a covered the you know. 415 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 5: The fraud is only about one hundred and fifty two 416 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 5: million dollars, So it's not the billions that they're saying. Again, 417 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 5: it's a semantics game. This article is going to age badly. 418 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 5: They don't care at the Star Tribune, though, my guess 419 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 5: is without any evidence at all that there was a 420 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 5: favor being done here, can we take some heat off 421 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 5: of me? 422 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 3: Can we push back on this a little bit? 423 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 5: That they keep saying billion, billion, billion, And I don't 424 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 5: think most people really have respect for how much money 425 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 5: a billion dollars is. You lose concepts of how much 426 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 5: money this actually is. I mean one billion dollars. I 427 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 5: don't know if you're aware of this. Brett is producing 428 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 5: the show this morning in the Master control. But it's 429 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 5: a lot of money, like a lot of Like a 430 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 5: billion dollars is like a. 431 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 12: Lot of money. 432 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 5: But we don't respect those values anymore in terms of 433 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 5: the dollar amounts when you hear them. That's why you 434 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 5: don't hear about the million dollar reward on Survivor being 435 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 5: a big deal anymore. 436 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 3: That was the whole crux of the show when it started. 437 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 5: You could win a million dollars for just surviving thirty 438 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 5: days without all of these different luxuries in life. And 439 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 5: now they don't even talk about that anymore because we've 440 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 5: lost all We've lost all respect for just how much 441 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 5: money that actually is. This is the classic. A million seconds? 442 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 5: How long you think? A million seconds? 443 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: Okay? Okay, okay, give him go. 444 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 4: And you give it you just yet eleven and a 445 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 4: half days, A million seconds okay? A billion seconds thirty 446 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 4: one point seven years, wow. 447 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 3: Longer than you've been alive. That is true. I have 448 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 3: not been alive for a billion seconds yet. 449 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 5: So before we get back to the Star Tribune article here, 450 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 5: I want to share this with you because if it's 451 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 5: in better here than where I was going to play 452 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 5: it earlier. This video went viral over the weekend. This 453 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 5: is lou Ragus from Caro leven to the previous talkbackers 454 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 5: point of the media is no longer, at least in 455 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 5: these cases, shielding Walls from scrutiny when he's out there 456 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 5: making certain statements that simply aren't true. 457 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 18: Minnesota Governor Tim Walls and his political allies continue to 458 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 18: incorrectly claim that the state was responsible for stopping the 459 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 18: massive feeding our future fraud, despite the evidence that's come 460 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 18: out in each trial and the legislative audit that was 461 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 18: done proving that false. This week at an event, Walls 462 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 18: claimed the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, which the governor oversees, 463 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 18: investigated the case then handed it over to the federal 464 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 18: authorities who charged it. The truth is the BCA was 465 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 18: not involved at all. It was the FBI. 466 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 7: Then on CNN s Paul Mayor Melvin Carter said this. 467 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 19: And by the way, those fraud allegations were uncovered by 468 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 19: local law enforcement and our state, our state attorney general 469 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 19: press charges state. Actually, our state law enforcement presence is 470 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 19: what caught that is what held those folks accountable. 471 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 18: Again, it's not true that local law enforcement uncovered the 472 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,479 Speaker 18: fraud and who prosecuted it. 473 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 3: It was the US. 474 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 7: Attorney's office, not the state attorney general. Look at the 475 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 7: timeline here from the legislative audit. 476 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 18: In February twenty twenty one, the FBI actually first contacted 477 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 18: the Minnesota Department of Education about fraud allegations that they 478 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 18: had heard about. Then in April twenty twenty one, MB 479 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 18: provided info to the FBI about the fraud. Remember how 480 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 18: there was also a lawsuit after the Education Department did 481 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 18: try to stop paying the fraudsters. Well, in that case, 482 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 18: the Attorney General's office in MD did not even tell 483 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 18: the judge that fraud was the reason they wanted to 484 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 18: stop paying. Look at this damning deposition of MD Assistant 485 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 18: Commissioner Darren Cordy during that civil case. Feeding Our Future's 486 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 18: lawyer asked, did you ever address with the commissioner or 487 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 18: the possibility of there being any fraud in the meal programs? 488 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,959 Speaker 7: Courty answers no, not in those terms. 489 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 18: Then does MDE to your knowledge, have any reason to 490 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 18: suspect there's been intentional acts of fraud with respect to 491 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 18: the meal programs? 492 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 7: In courty answers no. 493 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 18: At this point, I've reported over one hundred stories on 494 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 18: the Feeding Her Future case. I know an untrue statement 495 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 18: about this case when I see one. If this talking 496 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 18: point from the governor continues, you can consider this the 497 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 18: fact check. 498 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 7: I'm louver goose follow for more news. 499 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,479 Speaker 3: Yeah. Out of Carol Levin. When you lie so blatantly. 500 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 5: That you have local media straight up calling you out 501 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 5: on it, why do you think Liz Colin called her 502 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 5: book they're lying. I know they were talking and she 503 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 5: was focused on the death of George Floyd, but you 504 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 5: know that is sort of a universal theme among Democrats 505 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 5: here in the state of Minnesota. 506 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 3: Of course, when Keith Ellison is asked. 507 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 5: About whether or not he would do anything differently after 508 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 5: the state was warned about fraud that cost taxpayers again 509 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 5: a billion dollars, and we'll get back to the start 510 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 5: to be an article here in just a bit, Keith 511 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 5: Elson basically said, no, I wouldn't do anything differently. I 512 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 5: do want to ask he's talking with Anderson Cooper on CNN. 513 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 20: I do want to ask you about the fraud scandal. 514 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 20: I mean, because the president's comments seemed at least in 515 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 20: part fueled by or he's talking about this fraud scandal 516 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 20: that we mentioned earlier involving that charity called Feeding Our Future. 517 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 20: The vast majority of these seventy defendants charging the case 518 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 20: were Somali. For perspective, those are nearly eighty thousand smallies 519 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 20: in the state. 520 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,959 Speaker 12: How much I mean. 521 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 20: Critics have said the state officials, including you and the governor, 522 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 20: did not act fast enough or quickly enough to investigate 523 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 20: charges of fraud against the Feeding Our Future and did 524 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 20: little to flag their allegations to federal authorities. I know 525 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 20: you said it was the federal government didn't move fast enough. 526 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 20: Is there any Is there something you wish you had 527 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 20: done differently? 528 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 9: No? 529 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 21: We First of all, the Department of Education denied claims 530 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 21: when they were when questionable claims were made about these meals. 531 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 21: My office went to court explained that to the court. 532 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 21: A judge actually found the department and cound tempt for 533 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 21: denying claims. So yeah, and we cooperated fully and worked 534 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 21: well with the FBI. We are we're glad that we 535 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 21: took the action that we did. 536 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 3: Would you do anything differently? 537 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: No? 538 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 5: And of course the added commentary there of exactly what 539 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 5: Carol Levins Ragus was saying there just a moment ago 540 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 5: here on Twin City's News Talk as we go back 541 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 5: to the iHeartRadio app Talkbacks brought to you by Lendall Realty. 542 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 22: Hi, John sum leave to talk back about all the 543 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 22: fraud discussion in the Tribune article. Did they mention the 544 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 22: childcare assistance program fraud that took place, which was again 545 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 22: among the Somali community. So never hear that discussed when 546 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 22: we're talking about the context of the fraud in Minnesota 547 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 22: running into the billion. 548 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 5: No, I think what I what they focus on here. 549 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 5: I think it's everything post COVID. You're right, there's a 550 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 5: broader question regarding fraud that's been going on for a 551 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 5: long time, and many of you have pointed this out 552 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 5: in the talkbacks this morning. But a lot of what 553 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 5: we're discussing, and even what I cover here on the 554 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 5: show on Twin City's News talk is usually focused on 555 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 5: everything from COVID onwards. Let's get back to the Star 556 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 5: Tribute story. Trump claims Minnesota lost billions. The evidence to 557 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 5: date isn't close. And again they're going off of just 558 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 5: specific court records, and they say, really, the technical number 559 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 5: is just one hundred and fifty two million. Now they 560 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 5: go on to say from a scandal, and here you go, 561 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 5: involving feeding our future, nonprofit that distributed federal child nutrition 562 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 5: dollars to housing and autism services, billing the alleged losses 563 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 5: to date, our affraction of the billions claimed by the administration, 564 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 5: technically speaking, doing that thing with my fingers. Asked by 565 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 5: reporters about the figure cited by federal officials on Thursday, 566 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 5: Wall said he did not know the source of that estimate. 567 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 5: I don't know where they're getting that number. I don't 568 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 5: think we know it yet. It certainly could be, but 569 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 5: we don't know on this. He estimated the state would 570 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 5: have a better idea of the fraud's impact in late January. 571 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 5: The billion dollar figure first has surfaced in July, when 572 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 5: Joseph Thompson, acting US Attorney, was investigating the Minnesota House 573 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 5: Stabilization Services program, but Thompson, who did not respond to 574 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 5: The Star Tribute's request for comment, has not offered evidence 575 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 5: to support the billion dollar figure. 576 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 3: He doesn't have to. It's there in the numbers. Again. 577 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 5: I go back to my other analogy. You have a 578 00:31:53,760 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 5: terror attack, one hundred people involved. After the terrorists debts 579 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 5: his suicide vests, three bodies end up being recovered. Ninety 580 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 5: seven individuals are unaccounted for. And you'll get this, Well, 581 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 5: we know three confirmed dead, even though it's a pretty 582 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 5: good guest those other ninety seven individuals are dead to 583 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 5: since they're unaccounted for it. They just haven't been able 584 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 5: to identify. This is a semantics game. The fraud, he 585 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 5: has cited in cases to date, totals about twenty four 586 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 5: million across two medicaid programs, roughly ten million tied to 587 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 5: Housing Services fourteen million involving autism therapy for children. In 588 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 5: the Feeding Our Future case, which some of you have 589 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 5: brought up via the talkback, which occurred between twenty eighteen 590 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 5: and twenty twenty one. You and I both know that 591 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 5: involves some two hundred and fifty million bill through the 592 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 5: federal child nutrition programs administered by the Minnesota Department of Education. 593 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 5: Federal prosecutors have not produced enough evidence, says the Star Tribune, 594 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 5: indicating all of the money was fraudulent. A Star Tribune 595 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 5: review puts the alleged fraud closer to one hundred and. 596 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 3: Twenty eight million. 597 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 5: The key ring leaders were convicted this year, including the 598 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 5: top Feeding our Future official. Most of the three hundred 599 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 5: entities involving Feeding Our Future have not been directly accused 600 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 5: of wrongdoing, and many criminal. 601 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 3: Cases are pending. That's the key point right there. 602 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 5: You see, the Star Tribune can get away with this 603 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 5: article based off of their own criteria in their minds, 604 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 5: because eventually, when we have it officially on record at 605 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 5: doing nothing with my fingers, it will total far beyond 606 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 5: the one billion dollars. They won't go and say their 607 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 5: reporting was wrong. They'll just say, well, at the time, 608 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 5: according to the official numbers, it wasn't a billion dollars, 609 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 5: but now it is. 610 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: Hello, this is Armando from Chaska. I sure do know 611 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: that the Minnesota tax Department love the sandy letters if 612 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: you owe, but there was no accountability at the other departments. 613 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 12: Just ridiculous. 614 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 23: Hey, John, your numbers discussion reminded me of a KSTP 615 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 23: article that came out last week. It said that the 616 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 23: Somali community contributes over sixty seven million dollars to taxes. Well, 617 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 23: they've also said that there's eighty thousand Somalis living in Minnesota. 618 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 12: Divide sixty seven million. 619 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 23: Divide about eighty thousand, and you get nine hundred dollars 620 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 23: a person. Do that to the Minnesota people and taxpayers 621 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 23: just Minnesota in general, it's up to ten thousand a person. 622 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 15: While I tend to believe we're in the billions of 623 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,479 Speaker 15: taxpayer dollars lost to fraud in Minnesota, perhaps the Star 624 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 15: Tribune could have put the accent on it's already at 625 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 15: least one hundred and fifty two million dollars of our 626 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 15: taxpayers money, rather than oh, it's only one hundred and 627 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 15: fifty two that's a ton of money. Lost to fraud. 628 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't care. 629 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 5: If the Strip wants to discredit, they're already failing publication 630 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 5: further than by all means, continue to put out articles 631 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 5: trying to go and shield walls from scrutiny on this. 632 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 5: If this is all they have, one need only go 633 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 5: over to Center of the American Experiment, read anything about 634 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 5: the issue from Bill Glahn, look at his scandal tracker, 635 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 5: and you can see the amount of money that this 636 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 5: is going to turn out to be. 637 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 2: Now. 638 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 5: The Star Tribune article goes on to say, many state 639 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 5: social service programs have seen exponential growth over the past 640 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 5: five years, a DHS spokesperson, so the department does not 641 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 5: have an estimate of alleged fraud in its medicaid programs. 642 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 5: So Molly leaders warned that sweeping claims about billions and 643 00:35:55,040 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 5: stolen aid or fueling backlash against law abiding families, that's 644 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 5: being perpetuated by Democrats. They're the ones that have taken 645 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 5: a stance that if you add in the Somali community 646 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 5: element to these conversations, which is factually accurate, any mention 647 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 5: of that is indeed making that commentary racis. That's the 648 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 5: standard that they have on the left don't fall for it. 649 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 5: Minnesota has confronted outside fraud allegations before, sets the Star Tribune. 650 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 5: Between twenty eleven and twenty sixteen, whistleblowers claim the state's 651 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 5: childcare assistance program was losing as much as one hundred 652 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 5: million annually to fraud and that some of the money 653 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 5: was being funneled overseas and terrorist groups. 654 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 3: So they do go back in time. 655 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 5: As we mentioned before, a twenty nineteen report by the 656 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 5: Office of Legislative Auditor found no evidence to support those claims. However, 657 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 5: they go on to say, while auditors continue to confirm 658 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 5: five to six million in child of childcare fraud during 659 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 5: that period, they called the broader out legations misleading and 660 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 5: determine the sensational figures and circulating at the time were 661 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 5: vastly overstated. 662 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 3: I don't trust anything coming out of. 663 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 5: The Walls administration that reporting from Lou Ragos is spot on. 664 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 5: Mayor Melvin Carter, Governor Tim Walls straight up lies that 665 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 5: they're being corrected by the mainstream media. Do you really 666 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 5: think they're going to be truthful on the issues that 667 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 5: we're talking about right now relating to fraud and speaking 668 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 5: of Bill Glon, he covers this article Trump claiming the 669 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 5: lost billions to fraud evidence todate isn't close, Bill writes. 670 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,760 Speaker 5: The Star Tremunes figure as we've talked about one hundred 671 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 5: and fifty two million or zero. 672 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 3: They write a. 673 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 5: Review of court records show the alleged to fraud uncovered 674 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 5: to date is closer to one hundred and fifty two million. 675 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 5: Alleged Glon points out convictions in federal court exceed sixty 676 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 5: to five millions of dollars in property seized by the 677 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,439 Speaker 5: Feds have already been sold off. The Star Tribune says 678 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 5: it's only alleged fraud, nothing definitively proven to the state. 679 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 5: The scandal tracker, not updated since July, by the way, 680 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 5: shows six hundred and sixty one million in fraud since 681 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 5: Walls became governor. Before Steve Grove joined the Star Tribune, 682 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 5: he served on the cabinet of Walls as the commissioner 683 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,720 Speaker 5: of the Department of Employment and Economic Development. Three items 684 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 5: on the tracker, totally over thirty million, are associated with 685 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 5: deed Department of Employment in Economic Development, specifically with the 686 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 5: agency's operation of the state Unemployment program. The Star Tribune's 687 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 5: anti Trump low ball estimate can be most charitably viewed 688 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 5: as an exercise in refusing to see the forest for 689 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 5: the trees. Just because Trump said it, they must prove 690 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 5: nothing of the sort ever happened. Treasury Secretary Scott a 691 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 5: sent over the weekend speaking of a billion dollars in fraud, 692 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 5: was asked about this issue with Margaret Brennan on CBS 693 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:13,839 Speaker 5: Face the Nation. 694 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 3: Here is that exchange. 695 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 24: The President told you though this week to look into 696 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 24: Somali's who quote ripped off that state for billions of dollars. 697 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,919 Speaker 24: He said, they contribute nothing. What exactly are you investigating? 698 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 10: Well, Margaret, to be clear, the initial fraud that was 699 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 10: discovered by the IRS, for which I'm the acting Commissioner, 700 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 10: is discovered by IRS a criminal investigations unit. 701 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 3: This was not an indogenous. 702 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 10: Thing that the state of Minnesota decided we had to 703 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 10: go in and clean up the mess for them, and 704 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 10: this is part of the continued cleanup. A lot of 705 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 10: money has been transferred, they have from the individuals who 706 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 10: committed this fraud, including those who donated to the government governor, 707 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 10: donated to represent Omar, donated to A g Ellison, but 708 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 10: they've been transferred to something called MBS's and those are 709 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 10: what do you mean, sorry, transferred to what these are money? 710 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 10: The bureau services and there are wire transfer organizations that 711 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 10: are outside the regulated banking system, and that money has 712 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 10: gone overseas and we are tracking that they both to 713 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 10: the Middle East and Somalia to see what the uses 714 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 10: of that have been. 715 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 24: Okay, but you have no evidence of that money being 716 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 24: used to fuel terrorism. Well that's a point, which is 717 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 24: what some conservative writers are elected. 718 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,959 Speaker 10: That's why it's an investigation. We started it last week. 719 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 10: We'll see where it goes. But I can tell you that, 720 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,800 Speaker 10: you know, it's terrible. The Representative Omar tried to downplay it, said, oh, 721 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 10: it was very the it was very tough to know 722 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 10: how this money should should be used. She was gaslighting 723 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 10: the American people talk to her. Yeah, but when you 724 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 10: come to this country, you got to learn which side 725 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 10: of the road to drive on, You got to learn 726 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,760 Speaker 10: to stop the stop signs, and you got to learn 727 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,280 Speaker 10: the not to defraud the American people. 728 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 6: On the whole Tim Walls thing in the fraud, it's 729 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 6: not just Walls himself who's involved in this, Keith Ellison 730 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 6: and the Democrat Party at large, they're all responsible for it, 731 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 6: and they're all deep into it, and it's already too 732 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 6: late for them to just wash their hands of a 733 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,800 Speaker 6: whole mess in that there's gonna be a lot of 734 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 6: stuff coming on on this, I fully believe, and I 735 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 6: believe that at least Walls and Nelson they're going to 736 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,399 Speaker 6: go down for it. All right, Thanks Bott. 737 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, we're going to talk more about Keith Ellison and 738 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 5: coming up in just a moment. We have some audio 739 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 5: to share. Also, Ilhan Omar had a rather lengthy interview 740 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 5: that did not go very well on that very show 741 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,800 Speaker 5: that you just heard from Face the Nation and Margaret 742 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 5: Margaret Brennan. 743 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 3: We'll get to that. 744 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,359 Speaker 5: More of your comments from the iHeartRadio app talk Backs 745 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,720 Speaker 5: brought to you by Lyndall Realty. You're on twin Cday's 746 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,280 Speaker 5: News Talk AM eleven thirty and one O three five FM.