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Speaker 1: I Heeart Media Aviation ext for Jay Ratler for joining

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Speaker 1: the program every Thursday at this time to talk aviation issues.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, my friend, A real pleasure, may.

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Speaker 2: Pleasant good morning to you, and an early Merry Christmas

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Speaker 2: to you, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right back at you. This will be our last

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Speaker 1: discussion before the end of the year, since I'm off

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Speaker 1: after the twenty third until the fifth, so we'll hit

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Speaker 1: the ground running in January, and I'm certainly looking forward

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Speaker 1: to that. Already perfect timing. Issue number one now, the

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Speaker 1: United States admitted liability in the January Army helicopter crash

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Speaker 1: that killed sixty seven people. Helicopter flying right in front

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Speaker 1: of a runway and a plane ran into it. Bad

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Speaker 1: Absolutely as I understand the way this happened. So the

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Speaker 1: plane or the helicopter flying in this crowded airspace was

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Speaker 1: not using the Automatic Dependent Surveillance Broadcast technology called ADSB,

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Speaker 1: which transmits the location of the aircraft. The system wasn't

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Speaker 1: on because they had a waiver exempting those military helicopters

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Speaker 1: from broadcasting where they were. After that, the FAA required

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Speaker 1: all aircraft in that airspace to use the ADSB technology.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday they passed the nine hundred and one billion dollar

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Speaker 1: National Defense Authorization Act, which removed that obligation.

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Speaker 2: Unreal, unreal, It is mind boggling. In fact, it was

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Speaker 2: so egregious that the chair of the National Transportation Safety

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Speaker 2: Board actually and something that's never really happened before, was

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Speaker 2: commenting on that bill as it was moving towards approval,

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Speaker 2: saying that to take a step back is ridiculous and rare,

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Speaker 2: is it. Do you have anyone connected with the NTSB

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Speaker 2: that's active that will come out and make that kind

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Speaker 2: of a comment. But that was exactly the case, and

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Speaker 2: why we are okay and taking a step back still

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Speaker 2: confuses me. I don't have anyone yet that's been able

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Speaker 2: to say why that's an okay thing to do. And

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Speaker 2: it's another indication of many brian where it's real easy

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Speaker 2: to say safety is are number one priority. Yeah, blah

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Speaker 2: blah blah, prove it. And when you do things like this,

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Speaker 2: it's just you scratch your head thinking these are supposed

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Speaker 2: to be intelligent people. We're trying to honor the lives

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Speaker 2: of the sixty seven people that were lost in January.

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Speaker 2: Why are we not making things safer? Instead of saying, well,

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Speaker 2: that was bad but you know, we're going to make

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Speaker 2: things actually worse than they were. And you know, one

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Speaker 2: of the things that investigation really bore out in January

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Speaker 2: as we move forward was just how many other near

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Speaker 2: misissues and things that we'd had in that airspace over

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Speaker 2: the years, and the fact that you had so many

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Speaker 2: of these helicopters and other military aircraft that were actively

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Speaker 2: crossing the arrival departure runways of so many different aircraft,

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Speaker 2: and we had several times where crews had to divert

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Speaker 2: their landing and go around and come back to another runway.

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Speaker 2: It was such a common occurrence. It was pretty much

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Speaker 2: a red flag that said this is an issue and

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Speaker 2: we are in essence on borrowed time here before something

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Speaker 2: horrific happens. And the situation in January, there was just

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Speaker 2: a whole number of events that contributed to it that

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Speaker 2: you sadly again cost sixty seven lives and we don't

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Speaker 2: make things safer. Shame on us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really, And you one of the weird facts about

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Speaker 1: this and reading the reporting on it, apparently members of Congress,

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Speaker 1: House and Senate use those helicopters to get to the

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Speaker 1: airport real quick when they want to go home for

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Speaker 1: Christmas time soccer, and so I know that, and see

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Speaker 1: that's the first reaction like, oh, they just want to

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Speaker 1: make this so easy for themselves, but that just puts

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Speaker 1: their lives in more jeopardy because if they're the ones

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Speaker 1: that are using these helicopters more frequently, and I assume

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Speaker 1: they are than anybody else on the planet with the

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Speaker 1: themselves in greater risks of getting knocked out of the

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And it's again just another one of those situations

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Speaker 2: that just it baffles logic and common sense when you're

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Speaker 2: talking about it. But then we're back to managing the

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Speaker 2: perception of secure more than we are actually security itself.

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Speaker 2: And it's happened too many times, and I've seen it

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Speaker 2: four decades, and it's just it's frustrating. I mean, I've

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Speaker 2: just that. You know, we're having a meeting for the

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Speaker 2: a year ago. There's nothing getting done. So this is

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Speaker 2: a waste of time, goodbye, and because it just it

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Speaker 2: just I don't know. And when you talk about the

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Speaker 2: number of people that are behind creating a bill, passing

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Speaker 2: a bill, saying that the bill is okay, it makes

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Speaker 2: me want to point a finger at every single person involved.

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Speaker 2: We're not one single person that I'm aware of raised

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Speaker 2: chair and say wait a minute, this is this is wrong.

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Speaker 2: We've got to address this now. And I'm hoping that

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Speaker 2: something can be done. Where as the outrage obviously grows

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Speaker 2: that the Washington d C. We have individuals that are

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Speaker 2: actually going.

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Speaker 1: To fix unbelievable Well. I don't wish ill will on anybody,

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Speaker 1: but maybe if a member of Congress or maybe one

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Speaker 1: they are involved in the mid air collision, but perhaps

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Speaker 1: they'll change their mind. Jay rattlift, I didn't know. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know. There are parking tickets for parking and airplane

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Speaker 1: if you forget about it, that and more, we got

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Speaker 1: a bunch of topics to try to run through with. Jay,

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Speaker 1: Just stick around me right back fifty five KRC.

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Speaker 2: No One celebrates that.

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Speaker 1: The cockpit before it. Jay Rye Left has a thirty

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Speaker 1: nine If you have KCD Talks edition, Jay real quick

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Speaker 1: here Mark's point. He says, what about covert operations? If

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Speaker 1: you got this ADSB hardware going alerting the people to

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Speaker 1: where the the helicopters flying, Well, my responsible was, well, fine,

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Speaker 1: COVID operations may be a reason not to want to

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Speaker 1: use that, But that means that the covert operation may

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Speaker 1: not be completed because they got blown up during a

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Speaker 1: plane collision with a plane. The best path that the

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Speaker 1: best path that success may not involve the most direct

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Speaker 1: flight path was my follow up point, right.

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Speaker 2: And of course you want to make it the training

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Speaker 2: you play as your practice, and practice as you play,

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Speaker 2: so you're going to do everything you can to try

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Speaker 2: to make it as it would be during an actual exercise,

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Speaker 2: if it was for real. The problem is when you're

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Speaker 2: conducting that in amid a crowded airspace with a lot

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Speaker 2: and you know that to me is what's either acceptable

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Speaker 2: or unacceptable. And I'm always going to air on the

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Speaker 2: side of caution and say, if safety is the number

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Speaker 2: one priority, you know there needs to be some adjustments

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Speaker 2: to prevent a disaster from taking place, and we've had one,

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Speaker 2: so we've obviously seen the results. We've got to pivot

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Speaker 1: Ah Air India one hundred and twenty thousand dollars parking tab.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, it's that. For some reason, Air India

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Speaker 2: apparently somebody forgot it was there. Okay, So eventually the

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Speaker 2: is this airplane of year is going to be here?

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Speaker 2: And initially Air India said that's not ours, and of

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Speaker 2: course yeah, they got in essence the ven number if

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Speaker 2: they said that's fine because the parking is so much

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Speaker 2: because it's no longer fit to fly because the work

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Speaker 2: that has to be done to it. But you know,

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Speaker 2: and in some instances, you know, you'd have to have

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Speaker 2: it was an individual passed away, individuals.

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Speaker 1: Were running away, malfunctioning autokay, or.

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Speaker 2: It would have been somebody that was involved in you know,

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Speaker 2: One aircraft kind of sitting there day after day after day,

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Speaker 2: week after week, month after month, and yes, year after year.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Kind of stand out, I would think, so.

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Speaker 1: I would think, but you know, Air India not even

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Speaker 1: it even owned it, that seems rather peculiar to me.

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Speaker 1: But then again, I don't run airlines, so.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's easier to say it's not ours than to

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Speaker 2: admit craft we forgot about it for thirteen years. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: True, rumors still swirling about Spirit Airlines being on the

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Speaker 1: brink of collapse. What happened to that Frontier thing?

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Speaker 2: Well last year, well, you know, Frontier and Spirit we're

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Speaker 2: the Chapter eleven bankruptcy process, the second time they filed

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Speaker 2: in less than a year. And obviously there's concerns, certainly

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Speaker 2: also hearing that there's a kind of rekindled conversations that

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Speaker 2: possible merger. Now I'm glad this is going to happen.

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Speaker 2: You and I've talked about it before. How I really

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Speaker 2: liked that initial merger between the two low cost carriers

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Speaker 2: of Spirit and Frontier because their route maps compliment each

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Speaker 2: other so well. When you overlapped them, there was very

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Speaker 2: would have a less reduction of service into airports, a

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Speaker 2: fewer jobs cut, not the case with Jet Blue and Frontier.

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Speaker 2: That or Spirit that had so many overlapping markets, which

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Speaker 2: is one of the reasons it was not allowed to

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Speaker 2: move forward. So low cost carriers, Brian, you and I

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Speaker 2: have talked about so many times before keep the average

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Speaker 2: certainly want to make sure Spirit continues flying, and I

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Speaker 2: would love to see the merger with Frontier because I

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Speaker 2: think that would make them a much stronger carrier. It

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Speaker 2: would keep them around and it would have more low

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Speaker 2: cost carrier seats in the marketplace, which is obviously what

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Speaker 2: we want to see happen.

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Speaker 1: And then and real quick, because we have quite a

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Speaker 1: few topics to get to, we won't get to all

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Speaker 1: of them real quick since it evolves. Jet Blue dodged

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Speaker 1: a mid air collision with the US military refueling tanker.

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Speaker 1: Briefing on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, coming out of Caroseo, the Caribbean Airline near Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: They're climbing and all of a sudden there's a US

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Speaker 1: You'll be back in January, Jay Raytle if I trust,

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