1 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: Seven oh six, here Patu about KCV talk station. A 2 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: very happy variety to you, even extra special as I 3 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: look across the board here and see my dear friend, 4 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: brilliant man. He is Peter Bronson. He was with The 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: Inquirer and he has written a million books. He's got 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: his own publishing company, Chili Dog Press dot com, which 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: if you're if you want to published a book, if 8 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: you have your own publishing company, makes it really easy. 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: Peter Bronson. Great to see you man. Good to see you, Brian. 10 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: It's always good to be with you. I love talking 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: with you. I love your books, and I encourage my listeners. 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: If you want to see all the books he's written, 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: get a synopsis of them. Just buy them. You're gonna 14 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: love each and every one of them. Just go to 15 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: Amazon and type in Peter Bronson. We've got a new 16 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: one to talk about today, Magical history, tour, Murder mystery, 17 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: Buried History. It sounds like a hell of a lot 18 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: of fun. I'm sure he had time writing about it. 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about that in a second. 20 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: But first, and I know we've always been impacted. Everybody 21 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: has been impacted by at least one person in a 22 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: life profoundly so and in terms of my education, and 23 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: I've given this guy lots of props over the year. 24 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: Is Chuck Berkholt, who's my government professor back in high school. 25 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: He really motivated you to think and engage. Socratic method 26 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: was a lot of what he used in class. He's 27 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: one of the reasons, well less than my father, but 28 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I really took a keen interest 29 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: in politics. And he asked me to make this announcement 30 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: because he lives over in Cleeves. It's the Village of 31 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:36,279 Speaker 1: Cleaves Christmas Walk. It's this Saturday. Starts at eleven am 32 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: on South Miami Avenue. Okay, create Cleaves Christmas Walk. There's 33 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: gonna be live music all day. Mike Davis who graduated 34 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: high school with me at the same class. He does Elvis, 35 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: So you have Elvis and perposonator Mike Davis. You got 36 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: unique treasures and craft shows. You can take a ride 37 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: in the festive horse drawn carriage. Lots of food there 38 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: and a chance to get a photo with since Ana 39 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: Red mascot, Rosie and Goapper five thirty PM. That'll happen. 40 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: So Cleaves is the place to be again. Beginning at 41 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: eleven am. Josh Barkols love you man, hope you have 42 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: a very successful event now over the Magical History Tour. 43 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: I saw the synopsis on this the first time I've 44 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: even seen the book. It's in my hand right now. 45 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: Thank you Peter for signing my copy. This is five 46 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: short stories. Now you've done other books and you elaborate 47 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: and you go on at length about some period in history, 48 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: early days in Ohio, northern Kentucky. Oh Man, did we 49 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: learn a lot about the Civil War? 50 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: It was amazing book. I loved it. Man who saved Cincinnati? This? 51 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: And when I call a book a bathroom book, I 52 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: use that as a compliment because you can kind of 53 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: pick it up through part of it. You're not writing 54 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: an entire novel, and you're done with that segment, so 55 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: we can kind of call it this. Maybe the stories 56 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: are a little longer than your traditional bathroom book, but 57 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: five different stories. So how did you like whittle it 58 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: down or how'd you come up with these stories? 59 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: Because they're the the details. 60 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: I have a really fascinating and kind of strange too, 61 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: like the first serial killer in Cincinnati, Yeah, who knew? 62 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 3: That's kind of the theme or the niche I have 63 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: is who knew? Who knew that Cincinnati was attacked by Confederates? 64 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 3: Who knew the first serial killer in Cincinnati was a woman, 65 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 3: and in nineteen thirty eight, and she probably killed more 66 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: than a dozen people before they caught her. And the 67 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 3: story of her trial is fascinating one of the things 68 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 3: that's a good highlight of how these stories work and 69 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: how one leads to another. So while I'm researching her, 70 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: I looked at the prosecutor or handled her case. I thought, 71 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 3: this guy sounds kind of interesting, So I dive in 72 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: and look at him. His name was Dudley out Cault. 73 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: The out Cults were a long time, very well known 74 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: group of lawyers. They were active in the party and 75 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 3: the politics and as prosecutors and judges. 76 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: Well, this guy, it turns out, flew with Eddie Rickenbacker 77 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: and World War One. 78 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: Oh no, really, yes, And then he was a member 79 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: of Rickenbacker pit crew at Indianapolis five hundred races. I mean, 80 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 3: in this you just find one person in Cincinnati history 81 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 3: and I'm going, wow, that could almost be another. 82 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 83 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: And then I find out not only that, but his father. 84 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 3: One day he dropped his father off at his office 85 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 3: where he had a law office, never saw him again. 86 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: He vanished from the streets of Cincinnati. This is a 87 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 3: highly respected, well known leader of the Republican Party in 88 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: Cincinnati who just kind of gone in an instant, and 89 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 3: for months they had people that thought they saw him 90 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: and so forth. It's just another mystery and that's packed 91 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 3: in there. But the main story there is, of course, 92 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 3: the serial killer. 93 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: And this is before the term serial killer existed, right, Yes, yes, 94 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: it was never used in relation to her. She was 95 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: known as the black Widow. 96 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 3: I'm told that people who work in the Handling County 97 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 3: Prosecutor's office or the police department many are familiar with 98 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 3: this case because it's one that they point to as 99 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 3: one of the more sensational, interesting cases. And it was 100 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 3: really also one of the first cases in America that 101 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 3: was solved with the aid of medical forensics. Cincinnati was 102 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: at the forefront the cutting edge of pairing up with 103 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 3: the University of Cincinnati had a division there, a group 104 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 3: that was interested in medical forensics and trying to solve 105 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: cold cases and crimes using medicine, and they did in 106 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 3: this case. 107 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 2: It's really a fascinating story. 108 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: Now, did that develop into I know we have medical 109 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: forensic teams for the police now, but that was this 110 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: case instrumental in establishing that as a regular thing. 111 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: Yes, it was. It was. 112 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 3: It was the first time that they really applied this 113 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 3: kind of science to a murder investigation, and it was 114 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 3: so successful that that continued. So Cincinnati was really paving 115 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: the way for what we know today as CSI. 116 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: Well, Harmonica Black would kind of suggest I am mad 117 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: and what her modus operandi was, but what she married 118 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: guys and then killed them, is that what this is? 119 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 3: Or she would flirt with them, and her victims were 120 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: almost always elderly German men, lonely widows, or men who 121 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 3: never married, who were lonesome, and they would tell their friends, Oh, 122 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 3: I've got this new girlfriend. 123 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: She's really something. 124 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 3: Before you know it, they've signed over their house, their 125 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 3: savings account, just so sad, and then she would go 126 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 3: cook for them. 127 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 2: Real is their big mistake. 128 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: Poison was big, killing people way in the back of 129 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: the day. 130 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and you can in her case, she used arsenic, 131 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 3: which is undetectable. You can't smell it, you can't taste 132 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 3: it in food, and so what would happen is these 133 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: guys would suddenly. 134 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: Get terribly terribly ill. 135 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 3: Oh, the worst way to die, just excruciating and horrible, 136 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 3: and then she'd move on to another victim. 137 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: She would have sometimes two victims go at once, no kidding. 138 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know you say that, it's almost as 139 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: if I just, you know, I'm talking to Dave had 140 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: it with a modern scam, because that kind of stuff 141 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: goes on today. They just use artificial intelligence and computer 142 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: programs and you know, dating. 143 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: Apps to to do this type of thing. 144 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, And she would have been undetected had she not 145 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 3: poisoned a man who was a shoe repairman, a shoe 146 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: salesman downtown in Cincinnati. He owned his own business, another 147 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 3: elderly German man, and she got talked to him into 148 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 3: going to Denver, Colorado with her, and on the way 149 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: out on the train, she poisoned him as well. And 150 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: the people in Denver noticed when he got off the 151 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: train that she was taking care of him, and then 152 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 3: she later claims she never knew him, so they got interested. Well, 153 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 3: I'm not going to give away more, no, no, no, 154 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 3: it's really a fascinating story of the detective work and 155 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: the trial. 156 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: So it's a little bit of a courtroom procedural too. 157 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: All right, and that would be the fourth story in 158 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: the book, Big Tom and the Black Wooden. Big Tom 159 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: that the lawyer you're referring to. 160 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 3: No, Big Tom was the detective and he was one 161 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 3: of Cincinnati's most famous detectives. There's probably nobody can touch 162 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: him for the number of cases he handled and solved. 163 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: He was just an amazing guy. Tom Ferger, how about that? Well, 164 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: learn about Big Tom in the Black Widow. 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Yes, he'll put a 198 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: link to the book up there, and Peter will send 199 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: you a copy when you buy one. And again, a 200 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: great Christmas gift for anybody locally or anybody interested in 201 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: just some really neat stories. Let's talk about what is 202 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: Resurrection Man. That'd be chapter one of the book. Let's 203 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: scratch the surface of that little diddy. 204 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: Okay, well, before I do that, just point out if 205 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 3: anybody wants to go to my website to buy, you 206 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 3: can also get it at Amazon and all of our 207 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 3: local bookstories like josepheth and Barnes and Noble. But if 208 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 3: you go to my website, I'm running a special right 209 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 3: now on free shipping. All free shipping, yeah, for Christmas. 210 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 3: So Resurrection Man. One of the things that's fun about 211 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: short stories is I got to explore a bunch of 212 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 3: different styles. So I have a courtroom procedural, I have 213 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 3: a murder mystery. I have an adventure in out west 214 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: on the Oregon Trail I have and then this one 215 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: would be described more like a horror story like Tales 216 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 3: from the Crypt. Literally Tales from the Crypt, no kidding, 217 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 3: because Back in the eighteen fifties and seventies, grave robbery 218 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 3: was a really big problem. People would plunder graves and 219 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 3: in this case, they robbed the grave of John Scott Harrison, 220 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 3: who was the son of William Henry Harrison, our ninth president. 221 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: Okay, so this is a huha, This is someone of significance, 222 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: and they yes, they took was this for medical research? 223 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: I know, to do studies. 224 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: It was impossible to get caidavers, so they would rob 225 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: the graves and provide them to the medical students. 226 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 3: And usually they would rob the graves of the what 227 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 3: they called the colored cemetery, or they would go to 228 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 3: the poor people's cemetery and the Potter's Field and they 229 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 3: would take those because most people were too they didn't 230 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 3: have influence ors significance enough to complain and make it stick. 231 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: Or in the case of Potter's Field, no money, but 232 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: also maybe no living or available relatives to even make 233 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: a claim over the body, so no wrinkles that are 234 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: going to follow up. 235 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they would actually rob these bodies. 236 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: In this case, this was not only the son of 237 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 3: a president, but he was the father of another president, 238 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 3: Benjamin Harrison. So he is the son and the father 239 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 3: of US presidents, and they robbed his grave on the 240 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: very night he was buried. 241 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: Well, didn't you have to get him close time to death? 242 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: Otherwise you're just bringing in a rotting. 243 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 3: Exactly, if you're right, They tried to get him fresh, 244 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 3: as they would put it. 245 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: In this case. 246 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 3: You know, a little side note of this was it 247 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 3: answered a question I've often had when I went through 248 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 3: cemeteries or drove by them about those little mausoleums that 249 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: looked like little banks. Oh you had the bars on 250 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 3: the windows and everything. Well that was because of grave robbery. 251 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 2: Oh wow. 252 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: You know, so you would fortify when you put somebody 253 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 3: to rest, You would try as much as to your 254 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 3: ability to fortify that and make it impossible to steal 255 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 3: the corpse. In this case, they hired the Pinkerton Agency 256 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: out of Chicago to try and find out what happened 257 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 3: to John Scott Harrison, and they traced it to a 258 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: report that came in in the newspaper that that very night, 259 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 3: around three am, a wagon pulled up in front of 260 00:12:55,080 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 3: the Ohio Medical School and unloaded a long sheet wrapped object. 261 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 3: So the son of John Scott Harrison goes to the 262 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 3: Ohio Medical School. 263 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: They finally find his body and it's hanging in this 264 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: shaft with a winch where they would bring it up 265 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: from the ground floor seven stories up, and it's hanging 266 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: there on a rope hidden in the shaft. 267 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: Well, okay, he'll be out of this. They did that 268 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: and hung him in a shaft for the purpose of 269 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: hiding the presence of the body. Yes, there's no other 270 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: reason for the seven story Okay. 271 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 3: So when you go up these stories in the Ohio 272 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 3: Medical College, which is would have been right about next 273 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 3: to the Cincinnatian Hotel it is today and in fact, 274 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 3: well anyway, I don't want to get distracted here, but okay, 275 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: So there they find this body hanging in the shaft, 276 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 3: and his own son discovered it, and it was so grizzly. 277 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 3: He had been stripped of his clothes, he had been 278 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: bled out, so they had cut his neck and so forth, 279 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 3: and just hanging there. And when they get up to 280 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 3: the seventh floor, I mean, the scene was just appalling 281 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 3: because they would keep thats of these body parts around 282 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: and corpses much longer than really was hygienic or safe. 283 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 3: And the stench, oh my gosh, it would knock you 284 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 3: right over. And they described that when they got up 285 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: there to find the body, and. 286 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: Those are the conditions that the. 287 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: Decompositions and doctors would work in or surrounded by that stench. 288 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: Not horrible. 289 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 3: Oh, they had lost any kind of respect for the dead, right, 290 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 3: They just abused these corpses and just treated them horribly. 291 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: And that was exposed. 292 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 3: And you know, during these periods in the eighteen hundreds, 293 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 3: they were not unusual to see riots in big cities 294 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 3: when people would find out that their loved one was 295 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 3: in the medical college without permission. And it happened in 296 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 3: New York City where a man was walking down the 297 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 3: street and they actually doing a dissection in the window 298 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 3: of the medical college there, and it was his wife 299 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 3: who had just died. Oh, my lord, and he found 300 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 3: that and they had a riot and they burned that 301 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: medical college. So this was this was outrageous and it 302 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 3: was a huge scandal in Cincinnati. But it's also a 303 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: story of this vast network of grave robbery that was 304 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 3: going on in Cincinnati, and they were supplying bodies all 305 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 3: over Ohio, but also up in Michigan to ann Arbor. 306 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: The University of Michigan was getting its corpses for their 307 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 3: medical school from Cincinnati. 308 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: So it was a regional organized crime unit designed to 309 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: get medical students dead bodies exactly. 310 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 3: And not only that, the grave robbers would also strip 311 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 3: the bodies, and this is really kind of icky. They 312 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 3: would sell the clothes, so if you went to go 313 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: buy bargain clothes, you might be walking around in something 314 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 3: that was only hours before worn by a corpse. 315 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: I read all about it in the name of the 316 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: book Magical History Tour. We got more with Bronson in 317 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: a studio be right back after I mentioned Colin Electric 318 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: twenty five percent off right now, you know. And this 319 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: disturbs me because it's out of Cullen's hands. 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Here's the number five one three two two 343 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: seven four one one two five one three two two 344 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: seven four one one two fifty five KRC the talk 345 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: station treat a guys seven twenty nine. 346 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: If you've got KERCD talk station. 347 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: Brian Thomas here with Peter Bronson. We're blessed to have 348 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: Peter Bronson here in the Greater Cincinnati Aeron Bluss for 349 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,239 Speaker 1: his books. They are absolutely wonderful reads, every one of them. 350 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: I've read them all Magical history tours what we're talking 351 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: about this morning, Murder Mystery, Buried History, plus a little 352 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: bonus segment at the end. We're talking about that it's 353 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: like some well places where you can go that you 354 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: might never heard of the Magical History Tours at the 355 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: tail end of the book Ten Places to Discover Cincinnati History. 356 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: Get a glimpse at that toward the end of this discussion. 357 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: But let's talk about a snake in the garden. 358 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: Peter. 359 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: Oh, that was a lot of fun too. So a 360 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 3: long time ago I visited because I was working at 361 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 3: the Inquirer at the time, I think. And I visited 362 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 3: the Whitewater Shaker Village because they were just then beginning 363 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 3: the restoration of it, and it was fascinating to see 364 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 3: how these people lived. For example, when you go to 365 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 3: their cemetery, which is right down the road from the 366 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 3: village where they live. The Shakers, they had the cemetery 367 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 3: and it's probably i don't know, three acres, two acres. 368 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 2: It's pretty big cemetery. 369 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 3: There's only a dozen graves there and You're like, what 370 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 3: is going on here? Well, they believed in celibacy, and 371 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 3: they really didn't think ahead that you don't populate a 372 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 3: cemetery if you don't populate the children in the you know, 373 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 3: in the village. 374 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: I was Communists believed in the celibacy. 375 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 3: Okay, this is this is an amazing thing. Funny you 376 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 3: should bring that up because in the middle of this 377 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: cemetery it says the Whitewater Shaker Cemetery is dedicated to 378 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 3: a community of celibate Christian Communists. 379 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: And yes, and this was. 380 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: Put up in nineteen I had the god, folks, I 381 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: did not know that you really said that. Oh you 382 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: nailed it back then. See what happens. 383 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, Communism kind of meant something else then, because Marx 384 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: and Angles were just be kind of catching this contract. 385 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 2: This was a communal living. 386 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 3: Like they thought that there would be utopias if everybody 387 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 3: shared everything. So in the Shaker village they really practiced 388 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 3: that along with celibacy. So here's a funny little thing. 389 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 3: In their dormitory they had the women's sleeping arrangements at 390 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 3: the west end or the east end, and the men 391 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 3: at the west end, and just a hallway between them. Well, 392 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 3: you know, you'd think for the trials of celibacy, you'd 393 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 3: at least put them on separate floors. 394 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: But no, it sounds like it invites a panty raid. 395 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: You were gonna go raid the women's Storm tonight. 396 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting that one of the rooms in the 397 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 3: Women's Storm had locks on both sides of the door. 398 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: Oh all right, yeah, they anticipated that might happen. 399 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 3: And there's also a story I found that they used 400 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 3: to spread flower on the floor in the hallway, so 401 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 3: if anybody walked from one dorm to the other, they 402 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 3: would leave tracks and the next morning you'd see which 403 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 3: which bet they went to. 404 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: Well, no wonder they aren't around anymore. Not only you 405 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: had the whole celibacy. They're working against them. That's not 406 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: exactly a marketing scheme that's going to, you know, bring 407 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: in the fellow travelers, as it were. 408 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 3: But if you take a look at the Shakers, they 409 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 3: were really in a lot of ways during that period, 410 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 3: and especially around the Civil War, they were the only 411 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: safety net or social safety net we had because there 412 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 3: was no homes for widows and orphans, there were no 413 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 3: places that no social security, but the Shakers for widows 414 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 3: and orphans and women who had gotten in trouble or 415 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 3: what what what we'd called today back then they would. 416 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: Call violate, violated the celibacy rule. 417 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, so they would be taken in by the Shakers. 418 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 3: So whole families were taken in. And there's another fascinating 419 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 3: story about the Millerites, which is a diversion, but it's 420 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 3: in the book. And this was a cult in the 421 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 3: eighteen hundreds that followed a man named Miller who believed 422 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 3: that he knew the exact day and date of Christ's return. 423 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 3: And they sold all of their property, gave away everything, 424 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 3: their farms, their clothes, everything, and they all went out 425 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 3: to a hill. And this happened in Cincinnati. They all 426 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 3: went out to a hill and waited for the second coming, 427 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 3: and waited and waited, and nothing happened. Really, And so 428 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 3: I think I would have read about it if you had. 429 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 430 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 3: So now they are destitute and homeless. So where did 431 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: they go? They shaded the Shaker village, suckers. So what's 432 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 3: the snake in the garden part? Well, I don't want 433 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 3: you to be too revealing. No, obviously came up with 434 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 3: this chapter title for a reason. Yes, there's a fascinating 435 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 3: mystery about two women who were banished from the Shaker 436 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 3: village because of failure to observe the celibacy rule, and 437 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 3: they had two together. The two women, it was a 438 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 3: mother and daughter both In all the news stories and 439 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 3: so forth, the accounts at the time remarked that they 440 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 3: were both strikingly beautiful and they had come to Cincinnati 441 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 3: after they were banished from Whitewater Village and after about 442 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 3: a week they were found dead in a hotel room 443 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 3: in downtown Cincinnati. Uh huh, So the mystery around that is, okay, 444 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 3: what happened? Wow, Well, there was a man who was 445 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 3: taken in by the Shaker village who was a drunk, 446 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 3: a total wasttroll, a scoundrel. But he came from a 447 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 3: very wealthy Cincinnati family. And there's your snake in the garden. 448 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: All about that, I was going to charge you try 449 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: to draw a Bernie Sanders parallel, because apparently he lived 450 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: in an ashram or a commune and he was the 451 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: lazy guy that never did anything that they kicked him out. 452 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: Well, that describes this guy too. 453 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: He preaches the hospital of this communal lifestyle. But then 454 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: like all communes, it all fails because no one wants 455 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: to step up to the plate and pull their weight. 456 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 2: And there's always communism. 457 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 3: Yes, and there's always some leech that's just parasite, that's 458 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 3: just riding along. 459 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 2: H Bernie Sanders. Yeah, well that describes this guy too. 460 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: Except I don't think we could give him credit for 461 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: murdering anybody, at least not that I know about. More 462 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: with Peter Burns, and I like scratching the surface of 463 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: this because this obviously it feeds the curiosity element which 464 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: will get books sold. But it's well worth the small 465 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: amount of money going to pay get Peter's book and 466 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: again the excellent Christmas gift seven thirty five. Right now, 467 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: we'll be right back more with Peter Broynch. And after 468 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: I mention QC kinetics as if you're living with pain, 469 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: you might not have to live with pain anymore. How 470 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: about curing the source of the pain. I think arthritis pain, 471 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: but it could be other kind of pain. QC kinetics 472 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: does that, and thousands of patients have experienced the relief 473 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: brought about by their own bodies natural regenitive power. Yes, 474 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: they extract from your body the ultimately boil down to 475 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: platelet rich plasma and through a different series of these injections, 476 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: it helps your body heal itself, not cover up the pain, 477 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: but actually heal it, repairing the damaged tissue, reducing information, 478 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: and of course relieving the pain right at its source. 479 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: It isn't science fiction. That's your body's comeback story, powered 480 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: by the various culls that built you in the first place. 481 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: Now will this work for you? I don't know. QC 482 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: Kinetics will be happy to sit down with you for free, 483 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: and so I said it's free. Take the time to 484 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: give them a call and schedule the aployment. Because if 485 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: you're living with this kind of pain, you know, like 486 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: you get out of bed in the morning and it 487 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: begins with pain and you can't do things because it's pain. 488 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: Don't have to go down that road anymore. Maybe talk 489 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: to him and find out if it's right for you. 490 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: So five one three eight four seven zero zero one 491 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,959 Speaker 1: nine is the number to call two more times on 492 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: that ready, Five one three eight four seven zero zero 493 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: one nine. That's five one three eight four seven zero 494 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: zero one nine. 495 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: Fifty five KRC seven. 496 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: Thirty nine here fifty five KC DE talk station. Really 497 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: having a time talking with Peter Bronson about his new book, 498 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: get a copy if you do have Carosey dot com. Sean 499 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: McMahon covering for the Vacationing Joe's Director update the web 500 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: page put that there Magical History, Tour, Murder Mystery and 501 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: Buried History. If you get it from Chili Dog press 502 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: dot com, you're gonna get free shipping on that. So 503 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: Peter's throwing in the shipping charge. And it has been 504 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: a riot talking about the various stories, five different stories, 505 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: all based upon local folks or local connections, and then 506 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: we find out that some of them extend out west. 507 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: You mentioned that earlier when we were talking about that. 508 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: Which which chapter is that one? 509 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: Is that? That's the one. 510 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: It's called Rifles at forty Paces. 511 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,959 Speaker 3: Rifles at forty Paces? Good, thank you. Yeah, that's the 512 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 3: story of a man from Wilmington, Ohio who hopped on 513 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 3: the Oregon Trail, which was an incredible life threatening adventure. 514 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 3: Can imagine in itself period indians, disease, deserts parched, starving, 515 00:25:58,680 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 3: everything you can think of. 516 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sure it was so comfortable ride in 517 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: a Conestoga wagon. 518 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah. And he led the 519 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 3: wagon train to northern California for the gold rush in 520 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 3: eighteen fifty. So he went out for the gold rush. 521 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: He fought an amazing duel against a newspaper editor, which 522 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 3: kind of I thought that was a special a former 523 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 3: editor myself. And this editor just didn't know when to quit. 524 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 3: He kept insulting this guy in his editorials, and he 525 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 3: just kept doing. 526 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 2: It and doing it. 527 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 3: It's a political thing, and so this guy becomes such 528 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 3: a heroic figure that he actually the city of Denver, Colorado, 529 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 3: is named after him, and he named the state of Montana. 530 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 2: Really. 531 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 3: Yes, he was governor of the Kansas Territory in the 532 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 3: eighteen late eighteen fifties during the time they call Bleeding 533 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 3: Kansas now as a run up to the Civil War. 534 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 3: Bleeding Kansas was like a dress rehearsal. It was all 535 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 3: about abolition. 536 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: Oh I'm serious, old brother. 537 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: I never heard that term. 538 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 3: Unbelievable, terrible, terrible violence. Okay, here's the Outlaw Josie Wales 539 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 3: the movie. 540 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: Yes, I've seen that. That is about this period. 541 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 3: And Josie Wales was in the Battle of Bleeding Kansas 542 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 3: that went on for years. So if we look at 543 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 3: Bleeding Kansas and we draw some parallels. I didn't necessarily 544 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 3: do this in the story, but if you wanted to, 545 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 3: you can draw parallels to see what's going on in 546 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 3: our country today. You might say, well, Portland, Oregon kind 547 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 3: of looks like what bleeding Kansas looked like. People were 548 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 3: burning each other's farms, they were raiding, they were killing 549 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 3: each other. They were just completely out of control all 550 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 3: over the issue of slavery. Because Kansas was going to 551 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 3: be a new state, and the abolitionists wanted it to 552 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 3: be a free state, of course, and the people from 553 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 3: Missouri who had already gotten statehood and wanted it to 554 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 3: be a slave state like them. So the Missourians came 555 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 3: up and they fought the abolitionists, and most of the 556 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 3: abolitionists were from northeastern states. And one of those abolitionists 557 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 3: was a man everybody knows about, John Brown, oh sure. 558 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 3: And he was a cold blooded psychopath. He was unbelievable. 559 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 3: He committed massacres and murders like you wouldn't believe, and 560 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 3: people glorified and made him a hero. 561 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 2: Not unlike what we've done in our own. 562 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 3: Culture today, with people who are really in many ways despicable, 563 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 3: live a horrible life, and yet because the way they 564 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 3: die in the politics around it, we lift them up 565 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 3: as some kind of mythical hero. 566 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 2: And that's what happened with John Brown. No kidding, Yeah. 567 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 4: You know that. 568 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: I guess on some level I can understand. But you know, 569 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: the idea of murdering your neighbors over it is a 570 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: human rights, of course issue, a profound one, and you know, 571 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: understanding and embracing humanity, But that you would go out 572 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: and murder someone over this set farms on fire, it's just. 573 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 3: Well, and you know, we kind of tend to look 574 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 3: back and people like this version of history that's popular 575 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 3: and in schools and colleges now, which is that you know, 576 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 3: abolitions are good guys, Confederates bad guys, and this and that, 577 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 3: you know, it's all very black and white. 578 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 2: No, it wasn't. 579 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 3: Some of the abolitionists were the scariest, most brutal people, terrorists, 580 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 3: they were psychopaths. 581 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: Well, okay, let me pose this to you. Fine, they 582 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: believe in abolishing slavery. There's a multitude of reasons why 583 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: someone might embrace that. Would someone, let's say, John Brown, 584 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: embrace that as a philosophy and as a primary motivating 585 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: force and factor in their life for the purpose of 586 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: an excuse to commit violence. That he's a psychopath. 587 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he was. 588 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: Like I believe out there in the world, somebody decided 589 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: to go through maybe being becoming a priest because they 590 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: could be around little children. If somebody wants to be 591 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: a teacher because they can be around little children, it 592 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: isn't because they're really truly motivated by the you know, 593 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: the Christian doctrine, or because they're motivated to be educators. 594 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: They want access to kids. Absolutely, So if they want 595 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: to kill, if this guy wants to has passion for 596 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: killing people, I'm an anti slavery guy. I'm an abolitionists. Okay, 597 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: go ahead and do it well. In this story, the 598 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: hero of the story is James W. Denver from Wilmington, Ohio. 599 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:25,959 Speaker 1: City of Denver's named after him. 600 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 3: His arch rival enemy is a guy who was exactly 601 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 3: what you described he became. He kind of played both sides, 602 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 3: but mainly he was just a bloodthirsty raider. He would 603 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 3: raid and burn farms so that he could take him 604 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 3: for his own property and add him to his political power. Oh, 605 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 3: like the Crusaders, Yes, and so, But there were other people. 606 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 3: I think John Brown was just nuts. I think he 607 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 3: was crazy. He went around killing people in the name 608 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 3: of God. That is just where they struggle with. 609 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 2: That is nuts. 610 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 3: And they thought that God was on their side so 611 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 3: they could do anything they please. And both sides were 612 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 3: unbelievably cruel and brutal. 613 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 2: So it was kind of like the Crusades. 614 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Bleeding Kansas was an unbelievable chapter in our history. 615 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 3: And it's all like this many little set piece dress 616 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 3: rehearsal for the Civil War. 617 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: We'll get back with Peter Bronson. This is great. Plus 618 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: some sight seeing you can do right there. 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We're going to talk to Officer Tivity 655 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: Green with the Sincaint Police Department Crime Stoppers Bad Guy 656 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: of the Week, Officer Green, Happy Friday to you. Who 657 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: are we looking for? 658 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 4: The Cincinnati Police Homicide Unit is looking for Emory Green. 659 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 4: Mister Green is wanted for selling murder. On September twenty 660 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 4: seventh of twenty twenty four, mister Green was involved in 661 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 4: a physical altercation with John Nichols. As a result of 662 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 4: the physical education, John Nichols sustained like striving injuries is 663 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 4: to come to those injuries. Emmy Green is a mel Black. 664 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 4: He's twenty four years old. He's five seven and one 665 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 4: hundred and sixty pounds. Emmy Green has a history of 666 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 4: felonious assault at aggravated robbery and was last known to 667 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 4: live on Westwood, Northern Boulevard and Westwood. If anyone has 668 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 4: information on where police can find Emory Green, please call 669 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 4: crime Stoppers at five point three thirty five two thirty 670 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 4: forty or submittative online at crime gas Stoppers dot us. 671 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: Got to get this guy off the street and the 672 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: information ye tip les and ratio eligible for a cash reward, 673 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: to be doing society a favor. And all that activity 674 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: criminal activity packed into twenty four short years. That's a 675 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: sad thing. Officer Green, thank you very much for what 676 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: you do in and out all the day long, and 677 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: thanks to this insant police department for their great work. 678 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: We'll be looking for him. Officer Green, thanks for much. 679 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: Have a wonderful weekend. It's back to Peter Brunts and 680 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: magical History Tour, murder mystery and buried history. You know 681 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: before rather than maybe go back into one more of 682 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: the snippets about these various stories in here, just elaborating 683 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: on it. You and I were talking off the break 684 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: because you lose sight when you're talking about the wild West, 685 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: and you mentioned that, you know, the duels. 686 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 2: That was all Mike's mic on. Is this Mike on? 687 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 2: It is? Okay? 688 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: There you go, all right. I didn't hear it just 689 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: the second ago. Yeah, so it was very common. But 690 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: the background on that is there wasn't law enforcement. You know, 691 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: they weren't sheriffs necessarily around, and if they were, they 692 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: weren't going to stop a duel from happening. 693 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 3: And this actually came from Europe. There was something called 694 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 3: the Irish Duello and that was a lengthy thing. It's 695 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 3: like thirty different rules and regulations to set up a duel, 696 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 3: all about the courtesy and manners that surround how you 697 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 3: established it. 698 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: Do you murder someone again, you'd properly do it like 699 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 1: the Marcus of Queensbury rules. 700 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, well, you know that's funny, you'd bring 701 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 3: that up once again. You nailed it, the Marcus at 702 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 3: Queensbury rules. And boxing was actually introduced in Europe as 703 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 3: a way to settle these disputes without firearms. 704 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 2: Ah. 705 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 3: So there was so much dueling going on and so 706 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 3: many young men being killed that they finally got this idea, well, 707 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 3: let's just resort to fisticuffs and settle it that way. 708 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: Apparently a duel could be justified and you just called 709 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: somebody a name, oh. 710 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, especially if you said something that shed poor light 711 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 3: on his girlfriend, or his mother or his sister. Women 712 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 3: were especially held sacrisank. Now think about this in compare 713 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 3: it to today's society. First of all, they had honor. 714 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 3: People were polite, because if you shot off your mouth 715 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 3: about somebody, you could be challenged and dragged into the 716 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 3: street into a duel. And if you if you were 717 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 3: you know, the kind of person who says, nah, I 718 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 3: don't want to do that. I'm sorry. If you back 719 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 3: down after somebody had challenged you, then you were disgraced. 720 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 3: You were just kind of an outcast from society. So 721 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 3: the the amount of honor that people held it in 722 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 3: high regard at that time, it is just something that 723 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,720 Speaker 3: probably most of us really can't relate to anymore because 724 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 3: we see what happens in our society today. People do 725 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,720 Speaker 3: the most incredibly dishonorable things and then they just say 726 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 3: let's move on, and nobody challenges them. 727 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 2: They are not held accountable. I mean, I don't want 728 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 2: to go back to. 729 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: Dulo, He's going to say, veiled suggestion from Peter Brownson, 730 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,240 Speaker 1: we bring back dueling. 731 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 3: Well, the Irish code Duello is still there. I cite 732 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 3: most of the some of the rules of dueling in 733 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 3: my book. 734 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: Learn all about it. Get a copy of Magical History 735 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: to a Murder Mystery and Buried History, and let us 736 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: talk very briefly here Peter Browns. And you got a 737 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: little extra fun and games going on at the tail 738 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: end of the book with ten places to discover in 739 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: Cincinnati history. I suppose these relate to the individuals and 740 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 1: points you made factually in the five stories you provide. 741 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 3: Also in my other books, so things like the Man 742 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 3: who Saved Cincinnati. The Low Wallace Study and Museum is 743 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 3: one of those spots. The Pioneer Cemetery is one of 744 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 3: those spots. I didn't even know about that until I 745 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 3: found it down by Lunkin Airport. It's a fascinating little 746 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 3: cemetery where you can find the grave of Major Benjamin Stites, 747 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 3: who was one of the first settlers of Cincinnati in 748 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 3: the seventeen eighties and nineties. And then there's another one 749 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 3: called Congress Green Cemetery, and that's the one where Benjamin Scott, 750 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 3: John Scott Harrison's body was robbed from the grave, and 751 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 3: also the burial place of John Cleeves Simms, who is 752 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 3: sims purchase was all of the land that we stand 753 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 3: on today in Cincinnati. 754 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 2: How about that? 755 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 3: And these are not of course, the museum center is fantastic, 756 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 3: The Art Museum is fantastic, all of these things. I 757 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 3: just wanted to find the little places that are kind 758 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 3: of out of the way. Who knew that these were there? 759 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 3: And that you can find out so much about our 760 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 3: history from this book? Man who knew? 761 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, Peter Bronson's the man we can thank for now knowing. 762 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: If you get a copy of the book, can find 763 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: out for yourself. It's available at fifty five care sea 764 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: dot com, a podcast page, or you can just go 765 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: right now at chilidogpress dot com and Peter will be 766 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,439 Speaker 1: happy to ship one out with free shipping. Peter can't 767 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: thank you enough for the Iron Studio. I love our 768 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: conversations man, me too. 769 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 2: Wish we could done all the time. Great interview. Thank 770 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 2: you so much. This will be done. 771 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: I swear I'll have this book done in probably twenty 772 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: four hours or forty hours, because I got a four 773 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: day week and I'm going to start with this when 774 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: I get home. Fantastic folks, stick around after Is there 775 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: an afterlife? Sebastian Junger reflection on death and what might follow? 776 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: He is the keynote speaker Empower you see, are coming 777 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: up on the ninth in my time of dying, so 778 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: this should be a rather interesting conversation after the top 779 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: of the air news. I hope you can stick around me. 780 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:09,399 Speaker 2: Right back