WEBVTT - Flock Cameras Are Everywhere 0:00:03.190 --> 0:00:08.630 Hosted by Michael Monks and Chris Merrill. This is Monks 0:00:09.070 --> 0:00:11.000 and Merrill On Demand. 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:14.360 We'll go to little TJ here in just a few moments. First, 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:16.779 a lot of people have suggestions for where Michael Monks 0:00:16.820 --> 0:00:18.320 can move. Do you think these are nice or not? 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:22.030 Like, do they want me to be their neighbor? Monks! 0:00:22.150 --> 0:00:22.489 Yo! 0:00:22.510 --> 0:00:24.669 That sounds inviting. 0:00:25.250 --> 0:00:27.990 I know you're scared to move the S-hole that you 0:00:28.030 --> 0:00:32.480 call L.A., But the IE actually has some really bitchin' places. 0:00:32.500 --> 0:00:32.860 I know. 0:00:32.900 --> 0:00:36.440 And I think Redlands is one of those places that 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:39.519 you would really, really enjoy living. Why? 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:44.240 It's kind of artsy, kind of funky, kind of stuck 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:46.879 in a time, but it's like super hipster at the 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:47.339 same time. 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.000 It's awesome. Redlands, California. 0:00:50.220 --> 0:00:52.100 I love that. Thank you, Redlands. 0:00:52.300 --> 0:00:52.500 Yeah. 0:00:52.540 --> 0:00:53.080 I'll check you out. 0:00:53.500 --> 0:00:55.100 Has the most trees in the Inland Empire. 0:00:55.650 --> 0:00:58.340 How about that? Thanks for that little fact. 0:00:58.480 --> 0:00:59.880 I think you should move right next door to her, 0:00:59.900 --> 0:01:01.560 and then you guys could have dinners together, and whenever 0:01:01.580 --> 0:01:02.660 dinner's ready, she can call you. 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:03.700 Mom! 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:07.819 Mom! 0:01:07.940 --> 0:01:12.630 I think that's sweet that they're making such wholesome recommendations, because, yeah, 0:01:12.690 --> 0:01:13.370 I may be looking. 0:01:14.770 --> 0:01:16.110 Come out to Moore Park. 0:01:16.370 --> 0:01:16.530 Oh. 0:01:17.150 --> 0:01:21.020 They're revitalizing High Street, which is our downtown, and they 0:01:21.030 --> 0:01:25.429 have some brand new apartments. which are beautiful and walking 0:01:25.490 --> 0:01:28.750 distance to the train station where you can take the 0:01:28.810 --> 0:01:30.309 train right to the studio. 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:34.280 That's great. There you go. You're closer to Ventura. That's true. 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.880 I love that our listeners know that I like a choo-choo. 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:42.160 They know that I like it downtown. And they know 0:01:42.180 --> 0:01:46.500 I like the arts. I mean, you're basically a little 0:01:46.540 --> 0:01:49.720 walking socialist. Well, that's why I live in downtown LA. 0:01:50.420 --> 0:01:54.080 You know, once you start skiing barefoot on homeless human poo-poo, 0:01:54.740 --> 0:01:58.000 you start thinking, what are my other options? Moorpark. Moorpark 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:01.730 sounds lovely. They have mountain lion poo-poo. We've got some 0:02:01.750 --> 0:02:02.910 really good recommendations today. 0:02:03.430 --> 0:02:05.890 Monks! 0:02:05.950 --> 0:02:08.269 Santa Clarita's not a bad place to be. They've got 0:02:08.310 --> 0:02:11.010 a little area called Little Tijuana. It's a neighborhood. 0:02:12.230 --> 0:02:13.660 And they've got a problem, though. 0:02:14.220 --> 0:02:17.260 They say that we have flock license plate readers that 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.160 are being pointed at people's homes. 0:02:20.180 --> 0:02:21.060 Why would they do that? 0:02:22.150 --> 0:02:26.030 Well, they say they think there's some racial discrimination going on. 0:02:27.150 --> 0:02:29.930 There's no evidence of that. Well, it's Little Tijuana. Who 0:02:29.950 --> 0:02:31.850 do you think? Well, I mean, if there's enough Latino 0:02:31.870 --> 0:02:33.669 people there for it to be called Little Tijuana, I 0:02:33.710 --> 0:02:36.330 wouldn't think that there's any racism. Yeah, quit adding syllables. 0:02:36.490 --> 0:02:37.290 It's Little Tijuana. 0:02:37.410 --> 0:02:37.750 All right. 0:02:38.660 --> 0:02:41.660 They haven't proven any of that, but it is the 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.940 only Santa Clarita neighborhood that gets this kind of surveillance, 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.560 despite not having a higher crime rate than other places. 0:02:49.770 --> 0:02:54.100 So why are these cameras being pointed at homes? ABC 0:02:54.100 --> 0:02:56.180 7 was reporting on this. They said it's the only 0:02:56.220 --> 0:02:58.500 place where the flock cameras have not been placed away 0:02:58.540 --> 0:03:00.930 from major thoroughfares. Excuse me, where they have been placed 0:03:00.970 --> 0:03:03.390 away from major thoroughfares. So the flock cameras, of course, 0:03:03.430 --> 0:03:05.710 as we know, they're all to stop crime and certainly 0:03:05.770 --> 0:03:11.120 not track ex-girlfriends of dirty cops. And so they have 0:03:11.139 --> 0:03:13.560 these on most of the thoroughfares so that if someone 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:16.310 has stolen a car or they've kidnapped people, then they 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.490 can see those people fleeing the scene. And the license 0:03:18.510 --> 0:03:20.410 plate readers can catch them immediately and they can try 0:03:20.430 --> 0:03:23.770 to stop this from happening. Except in Little Tijuana where 0:03:23.790 --> 0:03:25.450 they said, you know what, these side streets look like 0:03:25.470 --> 0:03:28.010 a good place to start setting up cameras. One resident 0:03:28.050 --> 0:03:31.150 says she walked outside, found the camera directly facing her 0:03:31.210 --> 0:03:34.109 home on Ray Street. Her and her neighbors questioning why 0:03:34.190 --> 0:03:36.790 there's a license plate reader pointed at their windows. 0:03:38.070 --> 0:03:41.350 I would question that too. These cameras don't have like 0:03:41.390 --> 0:03:46.140 a live feed, do they? Yeah. So this could be 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.940 just somebody just watching this house? I mean, it could be. 0:03:49.220 --> 0:03:51.559 Fox says the license plate readers are positioned toward roadways, 0:03:52.100 --> 0:03:55.000 and they capture still images of the backs of passing vehicles. 0:03:55.490 --> 0:03:59.770 The company says the cameras don't provide live video. So 0:03:59.890 --> 0:04:03.030 that's what the company says. I don't believe them. It 0:04:03.050 --> 0:04:05.880 would just turn in a still shot of this person's house? 0:04:06.780 --> 0:04:06.980 Yes. 0:04:08.050 --> 0:04:10.750 According to a spokeswoman from the city, the cameras face streets, 0:04:10.850 --> 0:04:14.310 not residences. They're not recording any homes or any residential property. 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:16.400 And we had to put them on the streets all 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.020 around Little Tijuana, but nowhere else in Santa Clarita. 0:04:19.060 --> 0:04:19.720 Why would we do that? 0:04:20.460 --> 0:04:20.800 I see. 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.320 City Council Canada says the neighborhood is not a higher 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:25.940 crime area. Questions why those cameras being placed on the 0:04:25.980 --> 0:04:32.350 residential streets and not elsewhere. That is Brett Haddock. 0:04:32.700 --> 0:04:36.210 Excuse me. I don't mean to mispronounce the name. He's 0:04:36.270 --> 0:04:39.310 running for city council. Yeah. 0:04:39.650 --> 0:04:42.110 They're like, huh, this is weird. We happen to be 0:04:42.210 --> 0:04:44.830 a little Tijuana and all of a sudden we've got 0:04:44.850 --> 0:04:47.430 a bunch of security surveillance cameras that are popping up 0:04:47.450 --> 0:04:48.110 all over the place. 0:04:48.330 --> 0:04:51.229 And I'm sure because of the demographics of the neighborhood, 0:04:51.270 --> 0:04:54.909 there are concerns about any images that could be turned 0:04:54.970 --> 0:04:56.890 over to, let's say, federal officials. 0:04:56.910 --> 0:05:00.250 That's exactly what they're concerned with. Well, they're not concerned 0:05:00.270 --> 0:05:01.969 that they could be turned over. They're concerned that this 0:05:02.070 --> 0:05:02.800 is part of. 0:05:03.210 --> 0:05:06.020 That's ICE surveillance. border patrol or. 0:05:05.940 --> 0:05:09.640 That you've got some zealous politicians that or law enforcement 0:05:09.660 --> 0:05:11.960 that want to put them up there in an effort 0:05:11.980 --> 0:05:15.940 to assist in uh suspicion of illegal. 0:05:16.180 --> 0:05:19.060 Activities yeah there is there's suspicion that immigration agents have 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:23.000 frequently appeared in that area since the camera was installed 0:05:23.020 --> 0:05:26.920 um that would be race-based profiling wouldn't it we have 0:05:26.980 --> 0:05:30.080 heard repeatedly in the arguments about flock which by the 0:05:30.100 --> 0:05:32.320 way these arguments are happening all over the country But 0:05:32.339 --> 0:05:37.020 in Southern California, where passions are inflamed by immigration enforcement, 0:05:37.500 --> 0:05:40.700 this has been the issue, is what is FLOC doing 0:05:40.740 --> 0:05:45.700 in terms of cooperating with federal immigration officials? Yeah, even LAPD. Right, 0:05:45.750 --> 0:05:48.270 but the argument is always we're not— cooperating with them. 0:05:48.290 --> 0:05:50.550 We're not doing anything except well, and they did acknowledge 0:05:50.589 --> 0:05:54.289 that some California agencies, camera networks were inadvertently accessible to 0:05:54.390 --> 0:05:57.510 out of state agencies last year, but they've added strong 0:05:57.550 --> 0:06:00.339 controls and ice doesn't have direct. 0:06:00.180 --> 0:06:04.140 Access to their cameras or their databases. We know in 0:06:04.260 --> 0:06:07.340 LA they've suspended the flock cameras. 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:07.880 Yes. 0:06:08.420 --> 0:06:12.340 Fullerton imposed a six month moratorium on its system. I mean, 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.260 it seems like every day you open up any newspaper 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.860 in this region, Or anywhere across the country. And whatever 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:21.820 small town or large city, this is front and center. 0:06:22.700 --> 0:06:27.280 People backtracking on these flock cameras after installing them. And 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:32.170 it seems to be one of those rare bipartisan issues 0:06:32.529 --> 0:06:35.370 where it doesn't polarize anyone. 0:06:35.390 --> 0:06:38.290 Because there's been enough abuse of it that's affected a 0:06:38.330 --> 0:06:41.150 number of people. Whether it's bad cops tracking their ex-girlfriends, 0:06:41.790 --> 0:06:43.780 or from the left they're upset that ICE is being 0:06:43.820 --> 0:06:46.620 able to use these things to just track people. that 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.580 they suspect, whether or not they have evidence or reasonable suspicion, 0:06:49.610 --> 0:06:51.810 that they say basically, let's go see if they're illegal. 0:06:52.170 --> 0:06:54.070 So they're upset about it. Although there is one city, 0:06:54.089 --> 0:06:55.470 we'll talk about this a little bit later on this hour, 0:06:55.490 --> 0:06:57.630 there is one city that's putting those cameras up. 0:06:58.370 --> 0:07:03.000 To watch the ladies. What ladies? You'll have to wait, Michael. 0:07:03.020 --> 0:07:06.260 Let's call the tees. It's coming up after 2.30. Okay, fine. 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:07.760 We can get to that. So what are these folks 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:09.300 in Santa Clarita going to do about this? Are they 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:11.800 going to take the cameras down? Is there a call 0:07:11.820 --> 0:07:12.540 to remove them? 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.670 They're going to fight about it. You're going to have 0:07:15.690 --> 0:07:17.890 a city council member that's going to turn– the city 0:07:17.930 --> 0:07:20.950 council candidate that's turning it into a campaign issue. And 0:07:20.970 --> 0:07:22.750 then you're going to have others that are basically going 0:07:22.790 --> 0:07:24.000 to say everything's on the up and up. 0:07:24.030 --> 0:07:26.120 What's the problem? It seems to be a pretty easy 0:07:26.650 --> 0:07:29.300 issue politically. Like you are finding a lot of elected 0:07:29.340 --> 0:07:31.560 officials across the country who are just like, yeah, let's 0:07:31.580 --> 0:07:34.180 just do away with these things. They're not always unanimous 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:37.380 votes on these various bodies across the country, but they 0:07:37.420 --> 0:07:39.960 do tend to come out in favor of getting rid 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:44.380 or suspending or covering– The flock cameras. So I would 0:07:44.420 --> 0:07:45.220 imagine that that's. 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.200 This comes back to that age old question about privacy 0:07:48.260 --> 0:07:49.980 versus or liberty versus security. 0:07:53.310 --> 0:07:56.030 It does. I also think that we're often overreacting about 0:07:56.050 --> 0:07:57.830 these cameras. I think that they can do a lot 0:07:57.850 --> 0:08:00.090 of good and it seems to be like the hot, 0:08:00.630 --> 0:08:01.670 easy issue for folks. 0:08:02.150 --> 0:08:02.370 Sure. 0:08:02.510 --> 0:08:04.270 I don't mind if it's poking. They can do a 0:08:04.290 --> 0:08:06.540 lot of good. Yeah, they can. 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.140 And I happen to believe that firearms can do a 0:08:09.180 --> 0:08:10.900 lot of good, too. But we have a lot of 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:14.340 people in California that are like, they're killing machines. The 0:08:14.420 --> 0:08:15.480 cameras aren't killing anyone. 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.450 Oh, yeah. The cameras aren't killing anybody. You don't know that. 0:08:19.070 --> 0:08:21.190 They're probably passing out cancer like windmills are. 0:08:21.210 --> 0:08:22.410 Mom! 0:08:23.910 --> 0:08:27.530 Yes. These cameras are something that we can see in 0:08:27.550 --> 0:08:32.660 Little Tijuana. But what's happening behind the scenes, right? Oh, 0:08:32.700 --> 0:08:34.920 now this is another question. Who looks at the data? 0:08:35.179 --> 0:08:35.319 Mm-hmm. 0:08:36.500 --> 0:08:39.340 And why were they looking at it? We'll talk about 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.780 the group who's trying to pull the plug on Flock 0:08:41.850 --> 0:08:44.310 and Santa Clarita. That's next on Monks in Maryland. 0:08:44.850 --> 0:08:49.790 You're listening to Monks in Maryland on demand from KFI 0:08:49.970 --> 0:08:50.510 AM 640. 0:08:50.510 --> 0:08:54.630 More stimulating talk. Yes, it's Monks in Maryland. So glad 0:08:54.650 --> 0:08:56.010 to have you with us on this Friday. We were 0:08:56.050 --> 0:08:58.650 talking about those cameras in Santa Clarita. Goodness knows we've 0:08:58.670 --> 0:09:02.110 been talking about Flock cameras all over the place. Very controversial. 0:09:02.500 --> 0:09:04.680 You can open up any newspaper in the country, probably 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.880 right this moment, and find one suburb or one large 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:12.610 city somewhere debating this, and more and more are deactivating them, 0:09:12.970 --> 0:09:16.730 suspending them, covering them up, doing further study on how 0:09:16.770 --> 0:09:19.610 the data is used. We were talking specifically about Little 0:09:19.630 --> 0:09:24.100 Tijuana in Santa Clarita Valley, in Santa Clarita specifically, and 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.840 there are folks there who say, these cameras are not 0:09:27.250 --> 0:09:30.110 pointing at high traffic intersections no they're pointing at my 0:09:30.340 --> 0:09:32.920 uh living room yeah this is my armada's bedroom i'm 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.060 what we got to do something about these cameras what's 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.719 going on well jay chan lee is the founder of 0:09:38.820 --> 0:09:43.620 d flock scv joins us now on the phone jay 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.360 thanks so much for being with us what are your 0:09:45.380 --> 0:09:47.400 big concerns about these these cameras. 0:09:48.780 --> 0:09:53.230 Hi. Well, first off, I'd say the cameras are, in 0:09:53.250 --> 0:09:57.270 Santa Clarita especially, just not pointed strategically if you're Warflock 0:09:57.350 --> 0:10:01.280 or the city. Like you mentioned, the one in U-Haul 0:10:01.580 --> 0:10:05.610 is facing right into people's living rooms. We went there 0:10:05.660 --> 0:10:07.890 actually today just to check it out once more, and 0:10:08.010 --> 0:10:12.270 it's still there. And it's actually pointed at, like, there are, 0:10:12.290 --> 0:10:17.339 there's a hydrant, It's a street behind that street that 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:19.819 is a lot more active and would make a lot 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:22.180 more sense to install there. So I don't know why 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.160 it's in the middle of that neighborhood. 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.209 Have you talked to the sheriff's department or the police 0:10:28.230 --> 0:10:28.569 in the area? 0:10:28.610 --> 0:10:29.630 What are they saying? 0:10:30.970 --> 0:10:34.770 Well, the sheriff's department... We've tried to reach out to 0:10:34.780 --> 0:10:38.189 them through records requests, but they've kind of been stalling 0:10:38.250 --> 0:10:40.609 on that. I mean, yesterday I called them up and 0:10:40.670 --> 0:10:44.510 asked them where my records request from July is, and 0:10:44.550 --> 0:10:47.069 they told me that it's still under legal review. So 0:10:47.090 --> 0:10:49.850 I think it might take some time to get documentation 0:10:49.910 --> 0:10:51.290 from the Sheriff's Department, at least. 0:10:51.510 --> 0:10:55.429 The cameras in the Little Tijuana neighborhood have raised concerns 0:10:55.490 --> 0:10:59.860 because this is a neighborhood that is predominantly... Latino, do 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.760 you all have any evidence to support the claims that 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:08.660 these cameras were placed in an area motivated by racism, maybe? 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.780 We can't say for sure that it was motivated by racism, 0:11:13.860 --> 0:11:19.020 but what I can say is that it definitely produces 0:11:19.210 --> 0:11:22.750 racist and unequal outcomes, right? Even if the city didn't 0:11:22.830 --> 0:11:26.630 intend on that being the case, you won't see cameras 0:11:26.730 --> 0:11:31.290 that are faced into people's houses like that anywhere else 0:11:31.330 --> 0:11:33.480 but New Hall in Santa Clarita. I mean, if you 0:11:33.510 --> 0:11:36.920 go to the shopping mall, you won't see any cameras there. 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:37.800 Why? I don't know. 0:11:38.500 --> 0:11:40.880 If you go to Valencia, you won't see much. If 0:11:40.900 --> 0:11:42.400 you go to the Chinese country, you won't see much. 0:11:42.420 --> 0:11:46.980 I can keep going. In this particular area, for some reason, 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.370 there's cameras looking into people's houses. And I think that 0:11:50.990 --> 0:11:55.010 it has something to do with the stigma that little 0:11:55.030 --> 0:11:56.870 Tijuana is known for. 0:11:57.190 --> 0:11:59.510 What is that stigma? Just having a Latino population? 0:12:01.230 --> 0:12:04.290 I mean, there have been some shootings in the past, 0:12:04.390 --> 0:12:07.310 but to my knowledge and according to residents there, it's 0:12:07.330 --> 0:12:10.630 gotten a lot safer in the last few years. They 0:12:10.650 --> 0:12:13.960 did a renovation on Old Town and that's brought in 0:12:14.030 --> 0:12:16.239 a bit more business. You know, it's date night in 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.600 New Hall, in Old Town, New Hall now. And from 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:21.959 what older folk are telling me, that's not what it 0:12:22.020 --> 0:12:27.959 used to be. But Nowadays, I don't think that the 0:12:28.460 --> 0:12:31.000 crime in the area, which when I visited, it was 0:12:32.220 --> 0:12:35.360 very safe. I didn't feel unsafe at all. 0:12:36.940 --> 0:12:41.429 Our guest is Jay Chan Lee, the founder of D-Flock SCV, 0:12:41.570 --> 0:12:44.470 Santa Clarita Valley. He's the founder and the president of 0:12:44.530 --> 0:12:49.330 that organization, and their organization is upset about flock cameras 0:12:49.410 --> 0:12:53.650 that are primarily concentrated in a specific neighborhood. I'm wondering, Jay... 0:12:54.630 --> 0:12:57.410 Are we against these cameras in general or just the 0:12:57.460 --> 0:13:00.260 way that they've been deployed specifically in your neck of 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:00.780 the woods? 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:06.020 I would say it's a general thing. Just because of 0:13:06.059 --> 0:13:10.240 how national and how many cameras there are across the country, 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:19.910 I think that removal and banning these large-scale mass surveillance systems, 0:13:19.950 --> 0:13:21.190 we shouldn't have those at all. 0:13:22.260 --> 0:13:26.040 Okay. Jay Chan Lee, founder and president of Deflock SCV. 0:13:26.370 --> 0:13:29.429 And what are the residents? How long have you known 0:13:29.450 --> 0:13:31.589 about this? Has it been going on for like a 0:13:31.630 --> 0:13:33.490 long time? You said you put in an open records 0:13:33.530 --> 0:13:35.870 request back in, what, June, July? 0:13:35.910 --> 0:13:40.050 Yeah, in July. So in 2024, the city installed 35 0:13:40.050 --> 0:13:47.020 or so cameras. In June, they decided to allocate some 0:13:47.070 --> 0:13:51.170 money to expand that system. So it's been going on 0:13:51.270 --> 0:13:53.770 for about two years. People haven't really brought it up 0:13:53.970 --> 0:13:57.400 until I did back in July, and that's when my 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:59.000 organization began. 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:02.660 What is the information that you're seeking from the sheriff's department? 0:14:04.950 --> 0:14:07.190 I have to pull up, but what I'm looking for 0:14:07.390 --> 0:14:11.860 is an electronic export of all the logs. They specifically 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.760 say that they do have annual audits that they have 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:16.949 to do within their own privacy policy. I want to 0:14:16.970 --> 0:14:20.000 see those. I want to also see the cases that 0:14:20.020 --> 0:14:24.860 they use to justify expanding the system, just to see 0:14:25.140 --> 0:14:27.720 how valid that is, whether or not flock actually contributed 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:32.120 to those arrests. Right. I mean, I haven't gotten any 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:33.700 of that from the sheriff's department. 0:14:33.820 --> 0:14:35.540 And they're saying that it's because of legal review. I 0:14:35.580 --> 0:14:39.120 know sometimes that governments can play hardball with open records requests, 0:14:39.260 --> 0:14:42.430 whether from the media or from a concerned citizen. What 0:14:42.470 --> 0:14:45.230 are they saying specifically? Just legal review generically? 0:14:46.390 --> 0:14:50.430 Yeah, I mean, they say that it's, you know, I 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.980 did one big one and then a smaller one specifically 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.740 just for the export logs. And they told me for 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:59.420 both of those that they cannot even provide me a 0:14:59.500 --> 0:15:02.120 date in which I expect. 0:15:02.380 --> 0:15:03.220 A response, right? 0:15:04.590 --> 0:15:07.130 They didn't provide me with an analyst name that I 0:15:07.170 --> 0:15:10.080 can contact. They didn't provide me... I asked them if 0:15:10.250 --> 0:15:12.340 they could provide documents on a rolling basis. They said 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:16.560 they could not. So it just seems very, I don't know, 0:15:16.580 --> 0:15:20.580 like either... It seems like the process is a bit 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.800 too slow, especially if you compare it to other records 0:15:22.860 --> 0:15:25.740 requests that have been made with departments across California. And 0:15:25.780 --> 0:15:28.520 those have been a lot faster for those people that 0:15:28.540 --> 0:15:28.980 did those. Yeah. 0:15:29.790 --> 0:15:31.910 Jay Chan Lee, the founder and president of DFLOC, SCV, 0:15:31.930 --> 0:15:34.210 the Santa Clarita Valley. Jay, thank you so much for 0:15:34.250 --> 0:15:37.310 your time, and keep us up to date on your progress. 0:15:36.990 --> 0:15:37.430 On this, okay? 0:15:37.450 --> 0:15:38.750 Thank you. 0:15:38.910 --> 0:15:43.020 All right, yeah, absolutely. You know, sometimes open records requests 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.640 can be too broad. You know, they'll come back and say, 0:15:47.260 --> 0:15:49.460 can you narrow this down? It's returned so many of 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:51.700 these documents, it's really an unreasonable request. It sounds like 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:55.100 they're not even getting back to him. And that just 0:15:55.140 --> 0:15:59.650 raises my Well, yeah, either the open records request is 0:15:59.690 --> 0:16:02.640 too broad and it needs to be narrowed. But they 0:16:02.660 --> 0:16:04.700 would need to notify him of that, wouldn't they? Exactly. 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.760 They have to tell you, hey, this isn't, we've got 0:16:07.780 --> 0:16:10.700 the records, but your request turned up way too many 0:16:10.740 --> 0:16:15.190 documents because it's so broad. Narrow it down and we'll 0:16:15.230 --> 0:16:17.690 happily get it back to you. But the law is 0:16:17.750 --> 0:16:21.130 such that you have to respond within a certain amount 0:16:21.150 --> 0:16:23.350 of time, even just to acknowledge that you received, you 0:16:23.370 --> 0:16:25.750 don't have to produce the documents immediately. You have to 0:16:26.130 --> 0:16:28.530 obviously scour for it on the search, but you have 0:16:28.550 --> 0:16:31.660 to at least acknowledge within a certain amount of time that, hey, 0:16:31.700 --> 0:16:34.960 we got your request, we're working on it. I think 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:39.020 if you made a request and it's now four months 0:16:39.100 --> 0:16:41.260 later and they haven't given you a single document, that's... 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.530 Or even said why they haven't given them a single document. 0:16:44.570 --> 0:16:44.870 Yeah. 0:16:45.730 --> 0:16:51.750 That's where it feels fishy to me. But listen... This 0:16:51.830 --> 0:16:52.110 is one. 0:16:52.070 --> 0:16:55.510 Of those things where if we're skeptical of the technology, 0:16:55.580 --> 0:16:57.820 we're skeptical of the use of the technology. And then 0:16:57.860 --> 0:17:00.400 when we want to do audits, when you have these 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.300 groups that want to audit the technology and you're being 0:17:03.380 --> 0:17:08.639 shady with delivering the information, that doesn't help. restore confidence 0:17:08.700 --> 0:17:10.720 in the people who have skepticism going into it. 0:17:10.910 --> 0:17:11.750 And I agree with that. 0:17:11.869 --> 0:17:15.290 This is no different than we talk about the homeless 0:17:15.310 --> 0:17:17.850 industrial complex. We go, why aren't there audits? And then 0:17:17.869 --> 0:17:19.629 they go, oh, yeah, but we can't really audit. The 0:17:19.670 --> 0:17:22.020 fact that you're not auditing makes us think that there's 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.120 something to audit. The fact that you're not turning these 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.880 requests over in a timely fashion makes us think there's 0:17:26.900 --> 0:17:27.540 something in there. 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.739 The homeless one is even worse because they often don't 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.439 even have the documents to turn over. They've got absolutely 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.219 no record of anything. But I tend to still be 0:17:35.350 --> 0:17:38.910 sympathetic towards the law enforcement agencies that want these cameras 0:17:39.150 --> 0:17:43.310 because I know that, especially in jurisdictions like L.A. where 0:17:43.330 --> 0:17:47.010 there aren't enough officers, these can supplement that. But I 0:17:47.090 --> 0:17:52.870 also am receptive to these concerns, privacy, data collection, all that. 0:17:53.750 --> 0:17:57.080 Law enforcement agencies, they say that these types of cameras 0:17:57.100 --> 0:18:02.200 can help us with investigative leads in big-time cases, small-time cases. 0:18:02.220 --> 0:18:02.320 Yeah. 0:18:02.900 --> 0:18:03.600 Stolen vehicles. 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:05.700 I would feel a lot better if it wasn't something. 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.379 If it's something where you go, we are looking for 0:18:10.260 --> 0:18:13.419 this car with this license plate. And then as it's 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.689 scanning the tens of thousands and millions of cars that 0:18:15.730 --> 0:18:19.790 drive by it, it's immediately going, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. 0:18:20.580 --> 0:18:23.050 I would be okay with, I wouldn't be necessarily okay 0:18:23.070 --> 0:18:24.889 with that, but I would be better about that. Instead, 0:18:24.910 --> 0:18:27.429 what it's doing is it's recording every single car that 0:18:27.450 --> 0:18:30.629 goes through every single minute of every single day, and 0:18:30.650 --> 0:18:31.410 then it throws. 0:18:31.190 --> 0:18:33.010 It all in a database. And does what with it? 0:18:33.109 --> 0:18:34.050 I guess that's the question, right? 0:18:34.070 --> 0:18:36.130 It sits in a database until you come by and say, hey, 0:18:36.190 --> 0:18:38.440 we might have had a crime. Was there this car 0:18:38.460 --> 0:18:41.480 in the last 30 days? So is it like the 0:18:41.500 --> 0:18:44.820 collection of fingerprints that they have? And you haven't committed 0:18:44.859 --> 0:18:45.820 a crime today? 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.710 Well, I don't have a problem with that. What's the problem? 0:18:48.890 --> 0:18:50.209 Turn over your fingerprints. What am I missing? Why don't 0:18:50.230 --> 0:18:51.210 you turn over your DNA? 0:18:51.490 --> 0:18:51.949 I have. 0:18:53.210 --> 0:18:58.370 I mean, voluntarily to the police. All right, you. That's 0:18:58.410 --> 0:19:00.270 strike two today, by the way. Have you a documentary 0:19:00.330 --> 0:19:01.770 of your time here, fella? I was talking about a 0:19:01.810 --> 0:19:08.020 French dip sandwich, by the way. Well, if you missed it. No, Jesse, 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.460 destroy that audio. 0:19:10.619 --> 0:19:12.359 Tune in for the end of the show. 0:19:12.380 --> 0:19:13.600 We're going to hear that audio again. 0:19:13.950 --> 0:19:14.030 Yeah. 0:19:14.109 --> 0:19:15.310 Oh, you're going to want to stick around. 0:19:15.330 --> 0:19:16.609 If you missed it in the last hour, you're going 0:19:16.630 --> 0:19:17.109 to want to hear this. 0:19:17.130 --> 0:19:17.530 Strike two. 0:19:17.550 --> 0:19:19.970 All right, we just talked about those flock cameras that 0:19:19.990 --> 0:19:24.280 are watching the residential neighborhood. Pomona is taking the technology 0:19:24.300 --> 0:19:26.659 in a different direction. Police are using the cameras to 0:19:26.700 --> 0:19:29.119 keep track of something and someone. 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:33.899 Other than cars. 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