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Speaker 1: Joining us now two time Super Bowl champion with the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys of the nineties, also former offensive coordinator here

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Speaker 1: and one of the nicest people you'll meet and welcome

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Speaker 1: be quite the cutthroat game. He is NORV Turner, NORV.

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Speaker 1: It's Paul Allen. Thank you very much for joining him

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Speaker 1: for some Super Bowl stories, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm great, Paul. It's great to be on with this.

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Speaker 3: It's been a while.

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Speaker 1: Likewise, and for you right now, is it del Mar

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Speaker 1: or New Hampshire And it's one of the two?

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Speaker 2: Which one is it? And again, thank you very much

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Speaker 2: for helping.

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Speaker 3: Well. I check New Hampshire weather this morning. It was

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Speaker 3: about twelve degrees. So I was telling my wife as

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Speaker 3: and I told her, guys, it feels a little cold.

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Speaker 3: She goes, it's fifty seven degrees. Oh Jesus, I'll complain

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Speaker 3: about the cold. I'm in del Mar.

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Speaker 1: Yep, little walk on the beach clear to the mind.

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Speaker 1: Sounds good for you and Nance. They I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you watch this, but they showed you a bunch

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Speaker 1: in that Cowboys documentary on Netflix. The most recent one

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Speaker 1: and think it might have been called America's Team. Did

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Speaker 1: did you watch it end? If so, what did you think?

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Speaker 3: You know what I did? I this is pure truth.

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Speaker 3: I watched the first three episodes when coach Johnson was

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Speaker 3: the coach and I was coaching there and all that,

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Speaker 3: and I started to watch the next episode of number

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Speaker 3: four and it was it just I didn't really care

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Speaker 3: to see it, all the stuff about Jimmy and Jerry

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Speaker 3: and all the dynamics that were going on along along

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Speaker 3: that time. But you know, it was, it was. It

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Speaker 3: was well done. I don't know how factual it was,

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Speaker 3: but they were nice.

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Speaker 4: To me.

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Speaker 2: And during that time.

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Speaker 1: You know, there are some things that I saw with

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Speaker 1: things over the years, but is that like a place

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Speaker 1: for seasons and games, and like other businesses in there,

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Speaker 1: so somebody could be walking to their office or the

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I've never I've never been in the

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Speaker 3: a big reunion dinner the new facility. But based on

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Speaker 3: what everyone says, yes, it's there's a lot of distractions involved,

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Speaker 3: a lot of tour groups coming through. You know, a

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Speaker 1: You norv you so you say where you cut off

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Speaker 1: watching that show? Last one on this thing because it's

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Speaker 1: a moment. I'm never going to forget that that and

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Speaker 2: That moment when Jerry Jones.

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Speaker 1: Says in a press conference he wants to run the

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Speaker 1: team and Cowboys immortality. Tech Shram was in there to

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Speaker 3: It was. It was really an interesting time and I

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl stories when when you when you think about

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Speaker 1: the offenses, now you have some high end talent. I

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Speaker 1: you see New England and Seattle's offensive approach, did do

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Speaker 3: Uh, I think New England's got a little bit of

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Speaker 3: tend to still gravitate to the power running game light

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Speaker 3: I just think we all know to score points you

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Speaker 1: And I'm glad you said that, because you know, tell

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Speaker 1: the flavor of the league is, isn't it always good

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Speaker 1: to have three good tight ends who specialize kind of

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's age old, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: There's no question. I laugh. They made a big deal

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Speaker 3: And there are there are great passes out of it,

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Speaker 3: I'm a believer in tight ends and I've always had

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Speaker 2: Well, think about the La Rams. You know it's now.

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Speaker 1: I know they didn't make it to the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: but like I saw this last year with them when

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And the thing that comes out of it if

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Speaker 3: you can run the ball, and that's what Seattle's done.

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Speaker 1: North Turner, two time Super Bowl champion with the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: former offensive coordinator for the Minnesota Vikings, one of the

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Speaker 1: nicest people you'll meet A and B, including in the

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Speaker 1: He was the head coach in two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 1: North was on the sideline when Adrian Peterson sept the

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Speaker 3: And I didn't come on here for this.

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Speaker 1: Well, anything in particular stick out about that afternoon.

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Speaker 2: And what makes you laugh about.

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Speaker 3: It, Well, it's it's a long time ago. And when

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Speaker 3: you know what, we actually played pretty good against them

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Speaker 3: to our defensive coordinator, I said, why are we playing

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Speaker 1: But you know what, as head coach of the two

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Speaker 1: get credit for teaching Antonio Coramarti everything he knows about

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you get that credit.

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Speaker 3: What. Yeah, it was it was an unbelievable run. It

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was one of nine. You're right back at

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Speaker 1: But it also shows that on field goal teams and

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Speaker 2: Made to run down four two guys. You know what

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, and it doesn't really matter now because

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Speaker 3: the way they got these balls, doctor, they're making those

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Speaker 3: Someone someone's going to kick a seventy yarder here pretty quick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that kid from Jacksonville Will reikerd here.

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Speaker 1: I can argue he's the best kicker in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: That Alabama kids phenomenal. Aubrey down in Dallas, you're right,

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Speaker 1: all right, A couple of quick He's to close here

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Speaker 1: for uncle nor super Bowl stories in play. Who do

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Speaker 1: I'd like to get to some limbs on the North

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Speaker 3: I really like what New England's done. I like how

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Speaker 3: they play great. But that being said, I just think

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Speaker 1: And with that said, New England's offense in the postseason

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Speaker 1: how New ENGNN can get around it. That Seattle defense

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Speaker 3: They They really are good. They're complete on defense. They

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Speaker 1: Lastly, how's the podcasting world treating you? The show is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called the it's called the football, The football,

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Speaker 1: And lastly here because you triggered something with me, uncle

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Speaker 4: and just going crazy, and then you know, you started

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Speaker 4: to prepare for the next season losing. However, we had

438
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Speaker 4: a game we lost when I was in Green Bay

439
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Speaker 4: to Denver and when the Super Bowl in San Diego.

440
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Speaker 4: And honestly, after that game, because I thought I really

441
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Speaker 4: put on my shoulders, I thought I didn't do a

442
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Speaker 4: good enough job because it was a close game, but

443
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 4: we lost. I was all messed up for about a

444
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Speaker 4: month and a half. And my daughter is a doctor,

445
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 4: phones me and goes, dad, did you look at the film?

446
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,719
Speaker 4: And I said no, I don't want to look at

447
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Speaker 4: the film. And she goes look at the film, and

448
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 4: you'd have to know my daughters and my wife, they're

449
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Speaker 4: strong women. And I said, okay, I'll look at the film.

450
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Speaker 4: And so once I looked at that and realized, and

451
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Speaker 4: then I snapped out of it. But that's what losing

452
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Speaker 4: the Super Bowl can do. It's hard and it sticks

453
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Speaker 4: with you. I mean you remember it for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Well you're not.

455
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Speaker 1: I mean, at your daughter's suggestion, she doesn't want dad,

456
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Speaker 1: I would imagine to get into the film so you

457
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Speaker 1: can be like, all right, well that guy missed a block,

458
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Speaker 1: that back messed up and went the wrong way and

459
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Speaker 1: blew a protection on a blitz. You're not looking at

460
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Speaker 1: it to blame others. It's just like a closure thing,

461
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: right exactly.

462
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Speaker 4: That's exactly what it was. And you know it's funny.

463
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Speaker 4: I have all girls, have four daughters, but they're all

464
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Speaker 4: football girls. I mean, they know, they know the game,

465
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Speaker 4: They've watched a lot of football and so plus she's

466
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 4: a physician. So she said, I know, I think this

467
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 4: can help him. And it did because I needed some

468
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Speaker 4: closure after that.

469
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Speaker 1: Did did did the did the physician daughter ever doctor

470
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Speaker 1: up a nice skinny post play for you in a

471
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Speaker 1: big spot.

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Speaker 3: You know what.

473
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Speaker 4: Every every week the four girls. Is funny that the

474
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Speaker 4: doctor daughter would phone me. They phoned me on Monday,

475
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Speaker 4: and the doctor daughter would go, you know, on third down,

476
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Speaker 4: if you did this, it might you know, and she'd

477
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Speaker 4: go like that. Then her twin sister would phone and say, gee,

478
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Speaker 4: the officials, you know the officials that the third doctor,

479
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Speaker 4: who's who's a excuse me, The third daughter, who's a

480
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 4: prosecuting attorney, would phone and go, you got to run

481
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 4: the ball more, you know, you got that's what you

482
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Speaker 4: have to do. And then the fourth daughter, my youngest,

483
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 4: would phone and say, how are you feeling, Dad, how

484
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 4: are you feeling? So they all approached it from a

485
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 4: different angle.

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Speaker 1: Well, first and foremost, congratulations on the careers of those daughters.

487
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, the doctor can get in trouble and

488
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Speaker 1: be defended by a sister.

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Speaker 4: That's right. And unfortunately I'm covered if I get sick

490
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 4: or if I get in trouble. And then a couple

491
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Speaker 4: of them are teachers, so they kind of helped me

492
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Speaker 4: that way too.

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Speaker 1: Mike holm Grim, this is fantastic. He's football immortality. We

494
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: have some Super Bowl story from a three time Super

495
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Speaker 1: Bowl champion, coached in five Super Bowls. Super Bowl thirty one,

496
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Speaker 1: you guys beat New England. Desmond Howard was the super

497
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Speaker 1: Bowl MVP. I think the only special team's got to

498
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Speaker 1: win Super Bowl MVP. With the here and now of

499
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Speaker 1: the NFL, Mike, what do you think of that new

500
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: kickoff these days? The dynamic kickoff?

501
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Speaker 4: Well, you know what, I'm probably going to get mail

502
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,120
Speaker 4: on this, but I don't like it. I don't like it.

503
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 4: I liked the old kickoff and it was an exciting play.

504
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 4: And the reason they that you hear that they did

505
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 4: that was for safety. And Paul, you know you watched,

506
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 4: you watch games, and there's there's a lot of activity

507
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 4: in the way they do it now. Guys are running

508
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 4: in there and you still see the big hits and

509
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff. So I wish I was

510
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 4: on the competition committee for a long time and had

511
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 4: that come across the committee, I would have been a

512
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 4: no vote on that. But you know, it's it's it's

513
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Speaker 4: here to stay. I'm pretty sure.

514
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I talked to a head coach after the first preseason

516
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: game this year or maybe last year. One of the

517
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Speaker 1: two years and said individual said to me, all right, well,

518
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Speaker 1: it's designed for safety. But when I watch these things back,

519
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: I'm seeing more people get ear hold than I've seen

520
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: in the last ten years. And concussions are going to

521
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: be a problem out of this. And lo and behold,

522
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Speaker 1: I think concussions might be a problem out of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that you look kind of there is

524
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Speaker 4: a lot of big hits in that thing, and it

525
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Speaker 4: just seems like, well, I don't know it, just I

526
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Speaker 4: don't like it. And then the idea of kicking the ball,

527
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Speaker 4: getting the ball in the thirty five yard line or

528
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: the forty yard line. If you make a bad kick,

529
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Speaker 4: then you complete, you get two first downs in the

530
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Speaker 4: way they're kicking sixty yard field goals, now you get

531
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Speaker 4: a field goal. And so no, I don't like it.

532
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Speaker 1: Well, and with a member of your Super Bowl winning staff,

533
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Speaker 1: I should have known this, I didn't. I was fascinated

534
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Speaker 1: by it. I'm sure people have talked about it. But

535
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Speaker 1: Andy Reid, what was Mike's assistant offensive line coach and

536
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Speaker 1: his tight ends coach in ninety six, started there in

537
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Speaker 1: ninety two, I mean thirty years later, Andy is a

538
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Speaker 1: Cinch Hall of fame head coach. What did you see

539
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Speaker 1: in Andy to give him that chance in ninety two

540
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: after he coached offensive line in Missouri.

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Speaker 4: Well, I first met Andy when I was at BAU

542
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 4: excuse me, and he was I was in charge. One

543
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 4: of my jobs was in charge of the graduate assistant coaches.

544
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: Those are guys that are coaching football but they're still

545
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 4: going to school. They're young guys, you know, just short

546
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 4: of graduation. And Andy was one of them, and so

547
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: it didn't take me too long to figure out. I

548
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 4: liked his personality. He was funny, he was smart, He's

549
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 4: a good coach. And I told him at that time,

550
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 4: if I ever get to be a head coach, I'm

551
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 4: gonna you know, I'm coming after you, so be ready.

552
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 4: And we laughed about it. So he went on and

553
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 4: I helped him get his first job at San Francisco

554
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 4: State University, where I coached, and then he did his

555
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 4: thing in college, and then I got to the Packers.

556
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Speaker 4: He was the first one I phoned and I said,

557
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Speaker 4: come on, let's go, and he came and no, we've

558
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 4: been good friends ever since. In fact, two years ago,

559
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Speaker 4: after he won one of the playoff games, going to

560
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 4: Super Bowl I phone him up. I said, Hey, nice going.

561
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 4: Way to go those thanks, And I said, but you

562
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 4: got to promise me one thing. I just saw your

563
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 4: press conference. Your mustache is out of control. It's gone,

564
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 4: so trim it up a little bit before the next one.

565
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

566
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Speaker 4: And he goes, and he did it. He did it.

567
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 4: He takes me back, goes that it look well.

568
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Speaker 1: With with Andy and so many others, you've come across

569
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Speaker 1: the importance of being multifaceted.

570
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Speaker 2: All right.

571
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Speaker 1: The reason I'm bringing this up is we just had

572
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Speaker 1: somebody you know quite well, Norf Turner on the radio

573
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: show for twenty minutes as part of Super Bowl Stories,

574
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Speaker 1: two time Super Bowl champion with the Cowboys in the nineties.

575
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Speaker 1: But then when he was coaching here, Kevin Stefanski, who

576
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Speaker 1: I know, you know, you know he had started here

577
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: in six but the North is the coordinator here in fourteen,

578
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: and he gives Kevin his first position coaching job where

579
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Speaker 1: he's running the tight ends room. And Kevin would coach

580
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: tight ends, running backs, wide receivers like an Andy assistant

581
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Speaker 1: offensive line coach, tight ends coach, quarterbacks, coach, assistant head coach.

582
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Speaker 1: How important is it, you know, when you become a

583
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Speaker 1: coordinator and then a head coach.

584
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Speaker 2: To have coached multiple positions, I.

585
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Speaker 4: Think it's I think it's really important to you get

586
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 4: a different understanding of what the game is on offense.

587
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 4: And in Andy's case, you know, he had coached the

588
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 4: offensive line his whole life. He is an offensive lineman

589
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 4: as a player. Coach the offensive line, and if you've

590
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 4: known any offensive line coaches, they get in there and

591
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 4: they're in a world of those guys are quite a fraternity,

592
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Speaker 4: the offensive line coaches. So we get to Green Bay

593
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Speaker 4: and I say, Okay, I want you to coach the

594
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 4: tight ends and he goes, you know, they're used to

595
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Speaker 4: coaching seven, eight, ten guys, and now the tight ends

596
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 4: he's got two or three. He goes, Mike, I thought,

597
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 4: I've never coached tight ends. I've coached the offensive line.

598
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Speaker 4: I go, I know, but you're as a tight ends coach,

599
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Speaker 4: you're going to be involved with the offense of line

600
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Speaker 4: in run blocking, but you're also going to learn the

601
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Speaker 4: passing game. And I want you to learn the passing game.

602
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 4: And so he did that, and so in his case,

603
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Speaker 4: and then you know when he Steve miss his long story.

604
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: But Steve Marucci leaves to go to to get his

605
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 4: job at with the forty nine ers, and he wants

606
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Speaker 4: to take Andy with him. And in those days you

607
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 4: could not you could protect one player, one coach. You

608
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 4: could say no. And so I said no, which was

609
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 4: against I always told the guys, I'll help you get

610
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Speaker 4: whatever job you need. And Andy came and said, Mike,

611
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 4: you said you help me? And why I said, I

612
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 4: can't lose both of you. I can't lose both of you.

613
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Speaker 4: But what I'll do is, you know, I'll pay a

614
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 4: little bit more money and then you can go to

615
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Speaker 4: quarterbacks and then you know that. So that was another position.

616
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 4: And so that's a long winded answer, but it's really helps.

617
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Speaker 1: I think, well it Mike Homrn Mike Hombrin, former Packers coach,

618
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl with Green Bay, three times Super champion.

619
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Speaker 1: Just a few to close here that I'm really enjoying this.

620
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Speaker 1: But the tight ends, all right, So what And I

621
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: just chatted about this with North. No matter what the

622
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: flavor of the year or the decade is, with throwing

623
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Speaker 1: the ball, attacking middle zones, just whatever whatever you high

624
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: enders do to try to win games in the passing game,

625
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: it it never is a bad thing to have three

626
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: good tight ends. They all do things differently and they're

627
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Speaker 1: very good at them, and two good running backs, right

628
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Sure?

630
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Speaker 4: No, And now in today's game, you see the Rams

631
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Speaker 4: as an example. You know, they've played three tight ends

632
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 4: a lot at the same time, right, you know I

633
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 4: never did that. But you'd have a blocking tight end,

634
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Speaker 4: perhaps you know, a guy who was an average pass receiver,

635
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Speaker 4: not particularly fast. You might have a pass receiving tight

636
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 4: end that was an average blocker. But they were different

637
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 4: and you could use them in different situations. And the

638
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 4: tight end was always really important to my passing game always,

639
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 4: you know. And so and that's started with the forty

640
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 4: nine ers when I was with coach Walsh. You know,

641
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 4: we had good tight ends and they were part of

642
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 4: the passing game, Brent Jones being an example. And so, yeah, no,

643
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 4: it's and the game has changed, Paul, you know a

644
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 4: little bit, the passing, the formations, the empty formations, the

645
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 4: shotgun all the time. We didn't do a lot of

646
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 4: that when I was coaching, but now it is. And

647
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 4: when I told that Andy, I said, boy, you forgot

648
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 4: everything I ever told you. He goes, no, no, no, we're

649
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 4: doing the same stuff and we're just doing a little differently,

650
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 4: you know. So No, the tight ends are important, and

651
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 4: to have three of them that you can use in

652
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Speaker 4: different situations is really important.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: If you were coaching the New England Patriots, and you

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Speaker 1: know the Patriots offense this postseason, I mean, it hasn't

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Speaker 1: been great, but they faced a couple of really nice

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Speaker 1: defensive teams. If you had second year quarterback Drake May

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Speaker 1: what would you like about having him?

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Speaker 2: What do you like about Drake May?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: I like a lot of things about Drake May. First

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Speaker 4: of all, he's a very competitive guy. He's a great athlete,

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Speaker 4: and he has really good running skills. Now you see

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Speaker 4: quarterbacks with good running skills come out of college a

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Speaker 4: lot of times their passing game needs to improve just

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Speaker 4: a little better they're throwing, and he has that too.

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Speaker 4: So the thing that that the tough thing for him,

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Speaker 4: I think is that he's young and he hasn't been

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Speaker 4: in a lot of games like this, and so that

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Speaker 4: you've got to see how that works. But as an athlete,

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Speaker 4: I would use I would use a lot of play

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Speaker 4: action pass. I would get the ball out of his

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Speaker 4: hands early in the game and then take a couple

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Speaker 4: of shots when he has a chance, because he can

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Speaker 4: do that. Be careful running in this game. You know

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Speaker 4: he likes to run. He's good at running. Would run

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Speaker 4: and then get down, don't get hit because the Seahawks

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Speaker 4: are very aggressive defense. But I think what he's done,

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Speaker 4: this young guy, he said, he's set them up for

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Speaker 4: for years to come, in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Lastly, back to your packers' days, how coachable was Brett Farv.

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Speaker 4: You know, I used to have a full head of

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Speaker 4: hair and now nothing, it's all gone. Ye, all right,

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Speaker 4: I think I attributed that to Brett. But I will

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Speaker 4: say this, I had more fun coaching him than any

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Speaker 4: player I've ever had. Wow. Honestly, he was kind of

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Speaker 4: a wild child early and I had him. We had

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Speaker 4: some tough love situations, but boy, he was a talented,

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Speaker 4: talented guy who really cared and his teammates loved him,

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Speaker 4: and you know, he was one of the great ones

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Speaker 4: that ever played the game. It was fun to be

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Speaker 4: around him.

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Speaker 1: Likewise, for you, thank you for the elongated chat. It

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Speaker 1: was fantastic And may God bless you and your family

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk soon. All right, great, see you about

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Speaker 1: Mike congrim a three time Super Bowl champion, including after

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Speaker 1: and Sports Talk Time ten forty seven.

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Speaker 5: with the Timberwolves. Uh, I mean, I just don't know.

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Speaker 5: I just know how to handle it. Two in a

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Speaker 5: row against the Memphis Grizzlies.

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Speaker 2: Last night.

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Speaker 5: You give up a buck thirty seven to the Memphis

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Speaker 5: Grizzlies and the Wolves lose one, thirty seven, thirty one

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Speaker 5: and twenty. They's still a playoff team. That part of

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Speaker 5: it's all good, but again it's it's just frustrating and

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Speaker 5: consistency where you're loving what you're seeing from Jaden McDaniels

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Speaker 5: of late and puts in thirty nine. But when you

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Speaker 5: score thirteen points off the bench and the grit get

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Speaker 5: fifty plus off the bench, you can see some issues

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Speaker 5: that arise in games like this. Next up for the

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Speaker 5: Wolves the Toronto Raptors in Toronto tomorrow, and next up

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Speaker 5: for you listener of nine to Noon is shortly after

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Speaker 5: the show today, you'll be able to podcast PA's interview

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Speaker 5: with head coach Chris Finch, who opened today's festivities.

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Speaker 1: And with Finchy, one of the early questions was off

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Speaker 1: last night and his postgame press conference, when you say, quote,

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Speaker 1: we started, we started gambling and losing our minds and

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Speaker 1: chasing things that weren't there end quote. The way he

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Speaker 1: answered that over about a minute, minute and a half

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Speaker 1: was pretty fascinating. There's a lot going on for Chris.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot going on for a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: but a lot a lot going on with Chris.

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Speaker 2: You got the NBA trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: In two days, they got outscored fifty Their bench got

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Speaker 1: outscored fifty two to thirteen. He said that there, you know,

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Speaker 1: when they get Tarren Channon Junior back, that's that's your

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Speaker 1: provide some more pop. But he also went down the

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Speaker 1: road of recognizing or acknowledging that there may be some

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Speaker 1: different rotations required from the bench. Maybe some people who

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Speaker 1: haven't received an opportunity, or maybe need more of an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: It clearly is perplexing to him. For those who followed

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Speaker 1: the game last night, I don't know what the Timberwolves

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Speaker 1: were doing, man. I mean, they're missing so many easy,

741
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Speaker 1: wide open shots in the first half, specifically three point shots.

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Speaker 1: They've been the best three point shooting team pretty much

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Speaker 1: for three and a half weeks to four and a

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Speaker 1: half weeks. It just went pear shaped. And then in

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Speaker 1: the second half they stopped. They didn't play great defense

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Speaker 1: all night. They stopped playing defense in the second half

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Speaker 1: and Jaron Jackson Junior returned from Memphis, they got tied.

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Speaker 1: Jerome now used to be with the Calves, sneaky fast

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Speaker 1: little guard. So I don't know if they were caught

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Speaker 1: off guard last night or they just they just chalk

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Speaker 1: it up to a human nature game, like looking at

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Speaker 1: players for the other team and being like, who's Cam Spencer,

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Speaker 1: Who's Jock landale Gg Jackson? Who knew? But they got

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Speaker 1: nipped last night and it wasn't a great loss.

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Speaker 5: Hey, real quick, and people can hear the context of

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Speaker 5: what I'm asking when they podcast the interview with Finchy.

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Speaker 5: I think he's being honest, But in some ways, is

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Speaker 5: it kind of willing himself? You think kind of trade

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Speaker 5: deadline looming impacts anything more than you know, Cause Chris Finch,

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Speaker 5: he just said, I focus on the things that I

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Speaker 5: can control. I really don't have a lot of power

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Speaker 5: in that room as it pertains to We've heard the

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Speaker 5: Jannis steam. Let's add somebody who can handle the ball,

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Speaker 5: some bench scoring, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: So we don't get out scored fifty two to thirteen from.

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Speaker 5: The bench every night. But you think does that loom anywhere?

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Speaker 5: You think largely in terms of upcoming deadline with this

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Speaker 5: team in totality, Well, yes.

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Speaker 1: Chris's response to part of kind of what you said

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Speaker 1: was in a fantasy basketball world, a social media world,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's things pop up and I can't he

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Speaker 1: it's reading between the lines with him, he said, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of noise, so he will need to deal

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Speaker 1: with players sometimes on a daily basis about the noise

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Speaker 1: he's ignoring or not hearing or it's not even close

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Speaker 1: to real. But the kids see it, and so what's

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Speaker 1: the next step if they see it going to the

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Speaker 1: source and being like oh wow. Pella Sero tweeted this,

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, schefter tweeted this, or oh wow, so and

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Speaker 1: so you know speculated or went with unnamed source and makes.

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Speaker 2: It a zero.

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Speaker 1: I mean, because like, why is this happening from this entity?

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Speaker 2: They don't do that.

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Speaker 1: They just see it, hear it, freak out about it

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Speaker 1: to a certain extent. So he has to manage. That

786
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Speaker 1: is pretty much the way he put it when I

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Speaker 1: talked to him about the trade deadline. I just from

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Speaker 1: a trading standpoint, I just really don't know what they're

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Speaker 1: going to do, because I mean, like you, Devincenzo, for

790
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Speaker 1: my taste, and I haven't watched all the games of late,

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Speaker 1: but I watched OKC, and I watched most most of

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Speaker 1: last night. Devincenzo, he's on a heater. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: really embracing the nuance and stopping go nature and just

794
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Speaker 1: getting himself open as a point guard shot really well

795
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Speaker 1: last night. So I'm not minding Dante as like the

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Speaker 1: alpha one for the quarterback spot for a basketball team

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Speaker 1: as much as maybe a month month and change ago

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Speaker 1: now when it comes to like finding people in their

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Speaker 1: best spots when they're open, throwing them open off picks,

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Speaker 1: doing all the nuance laden things the best point guards do.

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Speaker 1: I can't say he's accomplishing that, but he had some

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Speaker 1: pop last night.

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Speaker 2: I thought.

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Speaker 1: Jade McDaniel's defense in the fourth quarter was atrocious. It

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Speaker 1: played it absolutely, played to the loss. Anthony floated through

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Speaker 1: the game. Put the pedal to the medal. It was

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Speaker 1: too late. Julius looked like he was out to lunch.

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Speaker 1: Jaren Jackson Junior really appreciated taking on Rudy Gobert in

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Speaker 1: the paint and he didn't get it every time. And

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Speaker 1: Jaren's branded as a stretch four or five dynamite three

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Speaker 1: point shooting big man, always one of the leaders in

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Speaker 1: block shots, gets to the line, it's on. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what happened between him and Rudy last night, but

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Speaker 1: they spaced the floor and Jaren can handle the ball,

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Speaker 1: not as well as nasried, but kind of thinking that

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Speaker 1: same fishball. He went right at Rudy and he was

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Speaker 1: getting to the line and he was making some baskets

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Speaker 1: and then Rudy was stopping him.

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Speaker 2: That was a nice little five on five battle last

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Speaker 2: night to.

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Speaker 5: The Minnesota Wild. They couldn't handle it in regulation. To overtime,

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Speaker 5: we go to.

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Speaker 6: The slot pushes it back body outside the right circle

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Speaker 6: three feets us.

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Speaker 2: He was with a couple of assists to night off

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Speaker 2: the Caprizo shooting.

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Speaker 6: What their overtime winner in a while talking in same.

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Speaker 2: B oh, it's crazy.

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Speaker 5: I believe that's their twenty second overtime or shootout game

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Speaker 5: of the season. After that Chicago game last week, they

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Speaker 5: had the most of those in the NHL, but.

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Speaker 2: They were on the right side of it.

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Speaker 5: Five wins in their last six, points in all six

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Speaker 5: going back to the same Canadians they faced last night

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Speaker 5: when Cole Clawfield ended it with his seconds left in regulation.

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Speaker 5: But the Minnesota Wild find their fourth straight victory over

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Speaker 5: the Habs last night. Just one more game before the

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Speaker 5: Olympic break. They'll be at Nashville tomorrow seven pm. Puck drop.

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Speaker 5: You'll get to hear that voice Joe O'Donnell and Tom

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Speaker 5: Reid on these airwaves.

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Speaker 2: And then it's the pause.

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Speaker 5: And I believe it'll be Thursday or Friday as those

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Speaker 5: hockey those participating with their country's clubs, we'll start departing

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Speaker 5: for Milan and the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: Heinz tomorrow nine to noon. What time he's gonna open

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Speaker 1: the show? Sweet Open the show with heinz Ou. Open

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Speaker 1: the show with Heinzou. I really enjoy watching the Wild

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Speaker 1: mind Treal Canadians played. I caught most of the game

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Speaker 1: last night, watched all of the loss they had at

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Speaker 1: Montreal whenever that was. And the Wild I think now

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Speaker 1: have beat in Montreal eighteen the last twenty so they've

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Speaker 1: really really done well against all iterations of the Montreal Canadians.

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Speaker 1: Montreal's I mean there was a point in the game, man,

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Speaker 1: I mean it finished a four to three game, so

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Speaker 1: you got seven goals scored, all right, I mean there

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Speaker 1: was a point late in the game. There were only

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Speaker 1: twenty seven shots between two teams. It was so tough

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Speaker 1: to get things going last night for both teams. And

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Speaker 1: at the end of the second period there was such

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Speaker 1: a potentially debilitating goal scored by the Canadians. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's dust ourselves off, come back out third period.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, boom.

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Speaker 1: They score like seven seconds into the third period and

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Speaker 1: take the lead. So the Wild had to climb that

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Speaker 1: proverbial metaphorical hill and did found the victory for Prie

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Speaker 1: office on fire right now.

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Speaker 2: Kirby Dock though Kirby.

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Speaker 1: thinking same thing, Caprice Off. He's just on fire right now,

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Speaker 1: high Ender. I'm just obsessed with watching Quinn Hughes and

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Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to concede it, because, like I've said before,

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Speaker 1: it's the only way to put it. Be the fourth

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Speaker 1: time I've set it over the course of three weeks,

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Speaker 1: but it feels like three months. I don't watch, I

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Speaker 1: don't I have the center ice package, but I you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I ain't watching Vancouver Canucks hockey at nine thirty,

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Speaker 2: I just don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I knew who he was, I had no

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Speaker 1: to watch. Like Alex Daylock, former Wild goalie, was on

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Speaker 1: the radio show a couple of hours ago, he like

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Speaker 1: drew a wonderful comparison to Allan Iverson in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: And that's what Quinn Hughes is with the shoulder shakes.

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Speaker 1: And the stop and go and the head nods and

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Speaker 1: he's he's not but he's not super big. And the

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Speaker 1: he has the stick in one hand, it's just it's

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Speaker 1: just such a beautiful thing to watch.

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Speaker 2: So happy he's on the team.

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