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Speaker 2: There's a lot of things going on, but certainly we're

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Speaker 2: Of course, every off season is critical, but we're excited

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Speaker 2: and where we can supplement given the parameters in the league.

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Speaker 2: So we're excited about it, but we have to get

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Speaker 2: it right. We need young players that we can build

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Speaker 2: on for the future and keep this thing moving forward.

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Speaker 2: We've had some success, but certainly we're disappointed where we

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Speaker 2: were last this past season, and we know our fans

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Speaker 3: A lot more.

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Speaker 4: That's a mouthful for Mark Wilf.

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Speaker 5: Actually, Mark will was always spoken more than Ziggy, right,

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Speaker 5: and that was the mistake early they went.

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Speaker 4: With Ziggy for coming here. It was painful, is what

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Speaker 5: They said, Mark, you want to let's go to the

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Speaker 5: pen and went to Mark and he I'm not saying

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Speaker 5: the like cut open a vein the relative to Ziggy.

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Speaker 4: He did a cut open a vein correct, yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's been more of the spokesperson of these things

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Speaker 1: Yes, he's he's the guy that gets the call.

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Speaker 5: Within and by the way, Ben Gesling, you just heard

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Speaker 5: Breem four point thirty and Lavelle at five thirty. Well,

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Speaker 5: start tribune just to blank dominated dominating. Yeah, don't tell

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Speaker 5: So in the sound by guards he just played, you

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Speaker 5: it comes to young players, that's drafted players. Yes, and

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Speaker 5: the numbers are the numbers, right, one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a problem.

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Speaker 5: And to that extent, they have a right I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does.

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Speaker 6: And I think it's worth noting in this whole thing

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Speaker 6: so when you've missed on picks, and it's impossible to

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Speaker 6: it's coaches not developing players, all of.

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Speaker 1: Those kinds of things.

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Speaker 6: It's hard to have a pie chart that parcels all

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Speaker 6: back in this spot, which they're going to be in

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Speaker 6: this offseason, where they're trying to fix a lot of

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Speaker 6: salary cap issues, the lifeblood of a successful team.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at the Seattle Seahawks.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think I always heard he had a thing

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Speaker 6: Is Grigson still well here? Is he he is?

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Speaker 6: Mark Wilf said today there's no other personnel moves coming.

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Speaker 6: But I think it's notable that it's Rob Brazinski running

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Speaker 4: I think they may help the Wilfs.

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Speaker 5: They may hope that he just on his own says well,

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Speaker 6: I don't know that I would equate the two of

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Speaker 5: So I'm assuming Kose wasn't at the Zoom thing too,

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Speaker 5: I assume he does not want to surface publicly all

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Speaker 4: Crazy needs to go.

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Speaker 5: Apparently that's he thinks that's the moniker for quasiado for men. Oh,

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Speaker 4: Did any of the any of you jackals ask.

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Speaker 4: Oh you thought you'd get.

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Speaker 6: These days so perfect, the Augies are in action. We

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Speaker 6: have been down to that. In fact, I may have

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Speaker 6: been down to that meet you're going to a couple

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Speaker 6: of years ago when CJ. Ham, of all people, and

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Speaker 6: Chris Reid were throwing shotput. They were shot putters in college.

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Speaker 6: Chris Reid was a national champ at Minnesota State. C

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Speaker 6: J Ham was at Augustanta. So they said, hey, let's

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Speaker 6: go down and bring the shotput implements back out and

447
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Speaker 6: get in a meet. So Chris Reid won the thing.

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Speaker 6: CJ I think was third. They took pictures. They did

449
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Speaker 6: the skull chant when they were in the throwing circle.

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Speaker 6: I went down to do a story on this a

451
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Speaker 6: few years ago, so it was right around this time.

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Speaker 6: So maybe that meat. So the mark shuck open. If

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Speaker 6: that's where you're going to, that's the one.

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Speaker 4: There you go.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for coming in Matt appreciate you. We'll be reading

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Speaker 5: you all weekend. I'm sure it's going to be plenty

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Speaker 5: for right weekend. That is the voice of ben Gasling,

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Speaker 5: come back, we will chat about the spring scene appearance

461
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Speaker 5: Downtown Minneapolis wrapped up I think about two and a

462
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Speaker 5: half hours ago. John Bream there's a shock was there.

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Speaker 5: We'll get his analysis of what took place, maybe even

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Speaker 5: a little bit of a mini review.

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Speaker 4: We'll prepare for leavell.

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Speaker 5: In about an hour, fan will welcome the Black Crows

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Speaker 5: and Whiskey Myers to Mystic Lake Amphitheater.

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Speaker 4: It's on July twenty eighth.

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Speaker 7: Tickets go on sale a week from today, February sixth,

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Speaker 7: at ten am. You can get the full details on

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Speaker 7: all our upcoming shows at cafe dot com keyword calendar.

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Speaker 5: Lavelle in about a little less than an hour, the

473
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Speaker 5: of course, the twins made news today parting ways. I

474
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Speaker 5: think that was the expression with Derek Falley correct mutually

475
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Speaker 5: mutually parting ways, yet said exactly it Vikings making no

476
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Speaker 5: bones about the fact that they were dismissing, not mutually,

477
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Speaker 5: their guy.

478
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Speaker 4: There was nothing mutual about it.

479
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Speaker 5: Quasia Dolpha Mensa, John Breem kind of enough to join

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Speaker 5: us now to sort of change a little bit of

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Speaker 5: the subject. We leave the toy department at least for

482
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Speaker 5: a bit to chat about the Springsteen I guess you

483
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Speaker 5: can say benefit concert at first have that I believe

484
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Speaker 5: wrapped up about two o'clock.

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Speaker 4: Bream, of course was there. I kidded earlier.

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Speaker 5: That they wouldn't even start that kind of concert without

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Speaker 5: Bream being in the building.

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Speaker 4: Is that true?

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Speaker 5: Well, it didn't work again, I don't know why. Well,

490
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Speaker 5: you want to call him up for some reason? This

491
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Speaker 5: phone bank still doesn't work. Is it fair to say

492
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Speaker 5: that Springsteen Springsteen wouldn't have even started the concert unless

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Speaker 5: he knew you were in the building.

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Speaker 3: Uh, the Boss is in the house. Uh, Bream is

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Speaker 3: in the house. He didn't start the concert, he finished the.

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Speaker 4: Cal that's true. That's a good point.

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Speaker 5: I was just trying to suck up to you, and

498
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Speaker 5: you had to ruin it by giving me facts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, by the time I, you know, went backstage to

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Speaker 3: try and see him, the Boss had left the building

502
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Speaker 3: and was on his way to the airport for his

503
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Speaker 3: private flight. I don't think he wanted to get caught

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Speaker 3: in the downtown parade track.

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Speaker 5: That's probably true, all right, So give me what you

506
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Speaker 5: know about how this concert was put together, how it

507
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Speaker 5: came about about and who it included.

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Speaker 3: Well, the ring later was Tom Morello. Tom is formerly

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Speaker 3: with Rage Against the Machine. He played on a couple

510
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Speaker 3: of Springsteen tours and so he's good friends with Springsteen.

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Speaker 3: And Morello came up with the idea through some friends

512
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Speaker 3: in Minneapolis, and they figured out when could they do it,

513
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Speaker 3: and you know, they couldn't do it last week because

514
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Speaker 3: of the strike, you know, striking against businesses, right, and

515
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Speaker 3: they decided to schedule it for today. But you know,

516
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Speaker 3: there was a commitment at first avenue was dance night

517
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Speaker 3: on Friday night, so they couldn't have Friday night, so

518
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Speaker 3: they did Friday afternoon at what Tom Morello termed during

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Speaker 3: the concert, he called a brunchtime concert at the Holy

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Speaker 3: Cathedral of Purple Rain.

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Speaker 4: And who else was was there? A third artist involved as.

522
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Speaker 3: Well several other several other artists. Mike Riley, who's kind

523
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Speaker 3: of a firebrand protest singer from He's from Libertyville, Illinois,

524
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Speaker 3: as is Tom Morello. Do you know that outside of Chicago?

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Speaker 5: I went very well of Libertyville, Illinois. Yeah, I know

526
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Speaker 5: it well, correct, Okay.

527
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Speaker 3: And then they also had a band out of Chicago,

528
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Speaker 3: a punk band, Rise Against, but it was just two

529
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Speaker 3: of the members, the lead singer and the lead guitarist.

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Speaker 3: And then they had from Your Jazz Fusion Days, Dan

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Speaker 3: Morrero al Dimio return from Return to Forever. He was

532
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Speaker 3: played with Miles Davis. So you basically had three three

533
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Speaker 3: acts from Chicago and two acts from New Jersey coming

534
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Speaker 3: together to sing about what's going on in Minneapolis and Springsteen.

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Speaker 4: Then how many songs did did he play?

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Speaker 3: He did Streets of Minneapolis by himself. Then he was

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Speaker 3: joined by Morello and Morello's band for the Ghost of

538
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Speaker 3: Tom Joad, and then he participated in the group sing

539
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Speaker 3: along Power to the People. Not sure if they were

540
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Speaker 3: doing the John Lennon version or the Patty Smith version.

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Speaker 3: They both have those songs, right, but it was mostly

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Speaker 3: just singing. The chorus and the choruses to both songs

543
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Speaker 3: are pretty similar.

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Speaker 5: How would you convey or describe Springsteen how he sang?

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Speaker 4: What else? Maybe did he speechify? Much.

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Speaker 5: Did you just let the words of that song, the

547
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Speaker 5: lyrics of that song speak for themselves.

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Speaker 4: How did he approach it?

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Speaker 3: Well, he gave a short introduction. He said, he wrote

550
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Speaker 3: this song, and he called Tom Morello and shared the

551
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 3: song with Tom Morello because Bruce was worried that he

552
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Speaker 3: was perhaps getting on his soapbox and it wasn't nuanced enough.

553
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Speaker 3: But he said that Morello said, this is not the

554
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Speaker 3: time for being nuanced. So Springsteen went ahead and recorded

555
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 3: the song and that and put it out. You know,

556
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: he put out this song one day. I mean he

557
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Speaker 3: wrote it on Saturday, put the song out, what was

558
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Speaker 3: it Monday or Tuesday? Recorded on Monday, put it out

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Speaker 3: on Tuesday, and put out a video on Wednesday and

560
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Speaker 3: Thursday the track of the day.

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Speaker 5: What do you think, what do you How effective of

562
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Speaker 5: a song do you think it is? What did you

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Speaker 5: think of of what he sounded like today this afternoon today?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's a song that you know clearly

565
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Speaker 3: fires up the people of Minneapolis and the people of Minnesota.

566
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Speaker 3: I mean, like when he said nicol at Avenue, there

567
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 3: were cheers, and you know, the people definitely rallied to

568
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Speaker 3: the song. And you know, although a lot of people

569
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Speaker 3: suspected he was going to be the special guest. Yeah,

570
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 3: they didn't know for sure. And when was the last

571
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Speaker 3: time he got to see Bruce Springsteen for twenty five bucks?

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Speaker 3: It's in a small club, not New Jersey.

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Speaker 5: That's a very very good point as well. Did he

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Speaker 5: speak as well or was it just the music?

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Speaker 3: That was pretty much the little thing he said before

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Speaker 3: the before he played Streets of Minneapolis. He didn't really

577
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Speaker 3: get on his soapbox like he has, like he did

578
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Speaker 3: in New Jersey a few weeks ago when he talked

579
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Speaker 3: about after the Renee Good shooting and it was more

580
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Speaker 3: up to Morello to give the kind of fiery speeches.

581
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Speaker 5: Crowd quiet, just attentive listening to him, fired up? Or

582
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Speaker 5: how did the crowd respond to Bruce.

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Speaker 3: Well, the crowd was very responsive to Bruce, especially to

584
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Speaker 3: Tom jod I mean, Streets of Minneapolis is very powerful

585
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Speaker 3: and it kind of punches you in the gut because well, first,

586
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Speaker 3: this is the first time he's ever performed it in

587
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Speaker 3: public for an audience, and it's a very straightforward protest song,

588
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 3: you know, like some of those early Bob Dylan songs,

589
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 3: So Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll or if you think

590
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: of Hurricane, the one he wrote about Ruben Hurricane Carter,

591
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: and it's an instant protest song, just like when Neil

592
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 3: Young wrote Ohio, you know, just taking what happened in

593
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: the news and boom coming out with a song within

594
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: it feels like minutes. So I think it really hits

595
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Speaker 3: you in a different way than than a typical Bruce

596
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 3: Springsteen song. It's not nuanced, it's very straightforward. It's very detailed.

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Speaker 1: You know.

598
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Speaker 3: It mentions Alice Pretty, It mentions her Nate Good, It

599
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: mentions Trump, It mentioned no, It mentions Stephen Miller. You know,

600
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: he touches all the points. You know, he's clearly been listening.

601
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 3: There's lots of detail in that song. So I think

602
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: you know people were they responded, you know, enthusiastically to it.

603
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: Not the same response it's say Tom Morello got because

604
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: Morello is playing. You know, he called it heavy metal music,

605
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: and you can call it what you want. I mean,

606
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: it was very galvanizing, very inspiring, loud rock and roll.

607
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: Full Throttle played some songs and Rage Against the Machine

608
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Speaker 3: his former band I will say though, Rage Against Machine

609
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 3: played on the same street corner except across the street

610
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Speaker 3: at Target Center in two thousand and eight, and that

611
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: was a concert during the Republican convention. You may remember

612
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 3: they were police protesting outside and all sorts of things.

613
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Speaker 3: That concert was pulverizing and blistering. Can you imagine, you know,

614
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Speaker 3: twenty thousand people listening to a full metal racket like that.

615
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: So it's a little different when you see it at

616
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Speaker 3: First Avenue, but it's very powerful. And Morello he speechified

617
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Speaker 3: a little bit, and he's a man who can really

618
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 3: fire up a crowding. I mean, he was the man

619
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Speaker 3: for the moment. Definitely.

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Speaker 5: Springsteen refreshed my memory on his evolving in terms of

621
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Speaker 5: protest songs. Has that always been a big part of

622
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Speaker 5: his approach? Did he did that become part of his

623
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Speaker 5: approach as he got more established.

624
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Speaker 3: Bruce has always been what I would call an activist,

625
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Speaker 3: and he has always been kind of the blue collar guy,

626
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 3: you know, speaking of union issues and things like that,

627
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 3: and always fighting for the blue collar guys, even though,

628
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: as he pointed out in his Broadway show, he never

629
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Speaker 3: had a blue collar job. He never worked at nine

630
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 3: to five job in his life. But so he hasn't,

631
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: you know, necessarily devoted lots of songs to protests. I mean,

632
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: you know, he hill up topical songs. Certainly when his

633
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: post nine to eleven album The Rising, you know, covered

634
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: a lot of those kinds of thoughts that people were

635
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Speaker 3: going through. He did that song forty one Shots about

636
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,239
Speaker 3: you know, there was a killing, and then you know,

637
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: some of the songs on Nebraska to talk about you know,

638
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: you could call it. I wouldn't call it a protest album,

639
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: but their topical songs about dealing with law enforcement and

640
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: that sort of thing.

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Speaker 5: Springsteen, it is interesting to me because, as you said,

642
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Speaker 5: he it's not like this is the first time he's

643
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Speaker 5: gone down the road, and you could say some of

644
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Speaker 5: the issues didn't necessarily have to be responding to a

645
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 5: crisis situation, but did speak I think to even as

646
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Speaker 5: he admits he wasn't exactly blue collar guy, trying to

647
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Speaker 5: connect to lots of what might be classified as as

648
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Speaker 5: blue collar causes.

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that's a fair assessment that

651
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: he's always been supportive of the working man.

652
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Speaker 5: So, you know, in anticipation for what I expect to get,

653
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Speaker 5: if I haven't already, I haven't even checked the text

654
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Speaker 5: line recently, as you know, maybe we've talked about this

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Speaker 5: from time to time over the years.

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Speaker 4: We're chatting with John.

657
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Speaker 5: Breem, legendary rock critic music critic for the Star Tribune,

658
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 5: who was at the Springsteen benefit event today at first

659
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 5: a in which others performed as well. It's the deal

660
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 5: of you know, I want to I don't care about

661
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 5: what I don't want to know about what. You know,

662
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 5: where politically you are on given issues. I just want

663
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 5: to when I'm listening to music, I just want to

664
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 5: be able to enjoy whatever sound that you are attempting

665
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 5: to create. What's the John Breem position when that question

666
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 5: is posed.

667
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 3: The old shut up and sing question.

668
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it might be.

669
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Speaker 3: They as they used to say to the Dixie Chick.

670
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 4: Yes, that's true to the Chicks.

671
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 3: I think every artist takes a different position on that.

672
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: I was talking politics once with Karth Brooks, and he said,

673
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: you know, he won't come out either way because he'll

674
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: offend half his audience. So he sees his audience is

675
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 3: pretty divided. Despite the fact that many people think country

676
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 3: audiences are going to lean to the right. In the

677
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 3: case of Springsteen because he's so outspoken, you know, where

678
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 3: he stands. If you go to his concerts, then you

679
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: are offended by any of the speechifying that he might

680
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: do from time to time, then you're not paying attention.

681
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: You know, it's up to each artist to give themselves

682
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: the license to do that. You know, it's a free

683
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 3: speech you know, First Amendment applies to them as much

684
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 3: as anyone else.

685
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 4: Looked at him.

686
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Yeah, I was going to say so. I

687
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 3: think if you're going to Springsteen concert, you know where

688
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 3: he stands politically, and you know you're like to get

689
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 3: something from him that's way left the center.

690
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a fair way.

691
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: But he's also you know, he's pro American, Yes, I

692
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: mean he believes in the American values and the Constitution

693
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 3: and all of that stuff.

694
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 5: Well, the way I would put it is, I've never

695
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 5: had any problem with musicians who want to make that

696
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 5: part of what they do. I don't. I also, though,

697
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 5: have no problem with musicians who don't. And there are

698
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 5: people who said, no, no, no, you are obligated to

699
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 5: take a stand.

700
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 4: I have tended to resist that notion.

701
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 5: I would rather have musicians who have their heart in

702
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 5: it and are doing it because they're convicted about doing

703
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 5: it as opposed to let me put my hand in

704
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 5: the air.

705
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 4: Okay, which way am I supposed to go on?

706
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: This?

707
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: All?

708
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: Right?

709
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Speaker 4: Well I got to go this way because to me, that.

710
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 5: Becomes a little bit performative and a little bit phony.

711
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 5: So I have no problem either way. You know, I

712
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 5: don't with those who might have a bit of an

713
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 5: edge in terms of political message or those who say,

714
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 5: well for whatever, just say I'm going to do I'm

715
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 5: going to do my music and I'm not necessarily interested

716
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 5: in going down that other road.

717
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah no, And I agree with you. And you know,

718
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: for instance, last week I went to Rascal Flats concert

719
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 3: and there are country groups that's been around for twenty

720
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 3: six years and they were on a hiatus. First time

721
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: they played here in seven eight years, and two of

722
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 3: the three members you know, gave speeches. Once they mentioned

723
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 3: Jesus and that he guides their life. And that sort

724
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 3: of thing, you know, is that going to turn people off?

725
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: Aren't people going to be excited? You go to many,

726
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 3: many country concerts and they will dedicate songs to troops,

727
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: and they will some of them will wave the American flag,

728
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 3: and that sort of thing. Is that off putting to

729
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 3: some people? Maybe maybe not, But like you said, it's

730
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 3: up to the conviction of the artists, and you want

731
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 3: to get you know, when you go to a concert,

732
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 3: I think you want to get to know the artists better.

733
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: You know, if it's just going to be the Eagles

734
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: and they are going to play their songs that sound

735
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 3: just like the album and that's it. Yeah, and that's

736
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: one thing, sure, But I want to get to know

737
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: the personality artist. I want to get to know them better.

738
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: And if they're throwing, you know, putting their full personality

739
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: and full picture out there, maybe you want to know

740
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: where they stand, whether it's with religion or with politics.

741
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 4: Very well stated.

742
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 5: I appreciate the time on a I know, a very

743
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 5: busy day, and we'll uh, we'll talk soon. Thank you, John,

744
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 5: all right, John sam absolutely John Breem, a music critic

745
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 5: for my former newspaper, The Star Tribune. I can honestly say,

746
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 5: and I know there's some folks you know, listening and

747
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 5: texting who don't believe this. I'm not presenting bream today

748
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 5: or the story of Springsteen appearing as taking a position

749
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 5: on it. I don't think you have to. You can

750
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 5: have a position on it, but it happened. He is

751
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 5: a world renowned artist. So it is what we like

752
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 5: to call following the story, and the assumption generally is

753
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 5: will know you that that means you're taking a stand

754
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 5: on the story.

755
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 4: No, it's news.

756
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 5: If Bruce Springsteen, in the middle of what we've been

757
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 5: dealing with, comes to this town to perform a protest song, sorry,

758
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 5: it's it's news. It doesn't have to You can hold

759
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 5: your nose, and I have no problem with that. I

760
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 5: will respect that position. But the act of having him

761
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 5: on is not part of the quote unquote crusade. Are

762
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 5: there many other ways where it might be the case

763
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 5: you know you, but you were out Early in the week.

764
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 5: We talked a couple times, and this I think is

765
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 5: connected to what we were talking about with with with

766
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 5: John Anthony Edwards was asked a kind of a vague

767
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 5: question regarding what's happened in Minneapolis the last couple of weeks,

768
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 5: and I thought gave a perfectly suitable answer that was

769
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 5: not necessarily specific in laying blame, but attempted to acknowledge

770
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 5: the emotion of the situation. And there were a lot

771
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 5: of people who were bothered, disappointed. Does he not understand

772
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 5: what's at stake here. Somebody needs to tell him what's

773
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 5: at stake here. He needed to say more than he did,

774
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 5: and my reaction to that is what it tends to

775
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 5: be on these stories. There's to me a presumptuousness in

776
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 5: that criticism in that, if people are honest, what they

777
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 5: mean is he didn't articulate my rage team the way

778
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 5: somebody on my team is supposed to. I'll only trust

779
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 5: you on the issue of I want players to speak

780
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 5: up if you will allow them to speak up and

781
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 5: say even something that you might vehemently disagree with, right,

782
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 5: because the truth is, that's what the shut up and

783
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 5: dribble things all about.

784
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 4: It always has been. The shut up and.

785
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 5: Dribble thing is is well, no, you can speak about

786
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 5: it as long as you carry the line and position

787
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 5: that I think you should carry. And that's what I found, well,

788
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 5: not surprising, but a little annoying about the reaction to

789
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 5: what Anthony Edwards said, which, by the way, again I

790
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 5: thought was fine.

791
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 4: Leaving aside.

792
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 5: Why we are, you know, caring to that degree what

793
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 5: any athlete, I would say, entertainer actor wants to say.

794
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 5: I've never understood our fascination with it, But let's face it,

795
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 5: our fascination with it is we're waiting for them to

796
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 5: say what we agree with, right, and if that's as

797
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 5: far as we're carrying it, we're kind of frauds on

798
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 5: that subject. And that's what bothered me about the Edwards saying.

799
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 5: It became a national story. A couple of the blog

800
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 5: got into it nationally about why don't these players want

801
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 5: to talk and you know, speak up more? And again,

802
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 5: I believe them if they meant what they said, but

803
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 5: it's not they The translation needs to be why aren't

804
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 5: they saying more vocally what I believe needs to be

805
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 5: said on a given issue. That's that's really where we

806
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 5: are here. That's the test, and a lot of people

807
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 5: end up failing it, I think.

808
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 7: And because I'm sure a lot of these players and

809
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 7: celebrities and athletes whoever public figures, they've probably figured out

810
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 7: what I think we've figured out here as well over

811
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 7: the years, that no matter what you say, yes you're

812
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 7: going to make somebody mad and the pitchforks are all

813
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 7: over the place, or it's going to.

814
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 5: Be a little un artful, or you're gonna go you

815
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 5: didn't shade it far enough this.

816
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 4: Way, or that way.

817
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 7: Yes, ye, either you did it, I disagree with you completely,

818
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 7: or you didn't go far enough. And then from the

819
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 7: other side, it's going to be I can't believe you

820
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 7: said that. So I don't blame people if that's not

821
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 7: their thing, if they're not usually involved, no one could

822
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 7: make the argument like the team wore shirts last night

823
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 7: right stand with Minneapolis. I think was the Timberwolve shirt

824
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 7: last night that they all wore. Yes, so you can.

825
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 7: We got a lot of reporting on the decision because

826
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 7: we haven't talked since they canceled or postponed the Golden

827
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 7: State game, and I know there was a lot of

828
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 7: discussion about that, which drove me crazy because you know,

829
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 7: the NHL, according to some did the right thing by

830
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 7: playing the game that night, which to me means nothing

831
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 7: when you factor in about nine other factors, including opponent schedules,

832
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 7: the whole thing. Golden States here we got an extra day,

833
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 7: teams feeling a little uneasy about it. Let's just wait

834
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 7: till Sunday. It sounds like a lot of that came

835
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 7: from the Wolves right themselves, the players, So I could

836
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 7: understand it then, like if if you're postponing a game

837
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 7: and you're wearing a shirt, you shouldn't be surprised you're

838
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 7: going to.

839
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Speaker 4: Be asked about it, I would imagine.

840
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 7: I agree, I agree with that, but you're also not

841
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 7: obligated to say anything if you don't want to, or any.

842
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 5: But I didn't think he gave a non answer no

843
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 5: in this case. I thought he gave a perfect suitable

844
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 5: In fact, I actually think he said more than I

845
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 5: expected he was going to say, because sometimes he gives

846
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 5: you the impression of, hey, you know it's I'm not

847
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 5: I'm in kind of my own world a little bit right.

848
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 5: This is from Uh it looks like Steve out of Tennessee, Florida. Uh,

849
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 5: this is anti American stuff, not blue collar. You make

850
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 5: it seem like it's rational people defending themselves when it's

851
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 5: crazy lunatics attacking federal agents just doing their jobs, trying

852
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 5: to keep our streets safe. It's all fine and good

853
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 5: until it's your kid that's murdered by any illegal, I

854
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 5: would say respectfully to Steve. Is it also possible one

855
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 5: could say, using his logic, it's all fine and good

856
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 5: until it's your kid being profiled in these massive sweeps

857
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 5: that have become commonplace in this town for the last

858
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 5: three or four weeks. We can all play the game

859
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 5: of it's all fine and good until and that's what

860
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 5: tends to be lost is the number of people who

861
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 5: feel like they cannot go to work, not because they've

862
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 5: been prosecuted or have been charged with any crime, or

863
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 5: even illegally, or even here illegally. So that logic sounds cool,

864
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 5: but only if you're willing to be consistent about it.

865
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 4: And I will again I will.

866
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 5: I will defer to a Republican, a hardcore Republican that

867
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 5: we had in studio a few days ago, Chris maddele,

868
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 5: an attorney who said, I know too much. I am

869
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 5: not a fan of Tim Walls. I am not a

870
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 5: fan of the mayor. I am not a fan of

871
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 5: a number of Democratic leaders in this state or in

872
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 5: this metro area. But what the administration has unleashed here

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Speaker 5: is illegal and unconstitutional.

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Speaker 4: And it's not just.

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Speaker 5: A vague notion of being in a law class and

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Speaker 5: debating it. It's affecting people's abilities to go about living

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Speaker 5: their lives. So I would say that to Steve respectfully,

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Speaker 5: as long as you don't leave that possibility out of

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Speaker 5: the mix as well, maybe we can have a bit

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Speaker 5: of a conversation.

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Speaker 4: Top five and five

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Speaker 7: Front offices in Flux and oh, by the way, both

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Speaker 7: our winner teams won last night.