1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Michael, when it comes to the birthright citizenship question, I 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: don't think you've spent nearly enough time hitting the key issue, 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: which is color. You've talked a lot about the Chinese 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: Communist Party, You're about to talk about the southern border. 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: So I think you're gonna get there. But is there any. 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: Indication as to whether these pink o commies are going 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: to be wearing pink shirts? 8 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 3: And is that relevant for birthright citizenship? 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 2: Here I thought here, I thought that we were gonna 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: get like some sort of serious thing, and I've fund 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: for your like color of law, color of you know what, No, 12 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: no stupid pink shirts. See what you do? You just 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: destroy this program and you're proud of it too. That's 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: the sad part. 15 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 3: Sure am, sure am. 16 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 2: All right? Just give all these tickets to get this done. 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 3: Get here now, we already did. 18 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 4: We did the first hour, last hour, so or the 19 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 4: first segment last hour? 20 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 3: So why don't we wait till the bottom Oh. 21 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: You mean the the third segment. 22 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't happen because if you do. 23 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: At the bottom of the eye, I got a wind 24 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: to stop talking about what I want to talk about. 25 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,919 Speaker 2: I mean, we'll run up against the break hard, break, 26 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 2: So we'll do it. Go back to sleep, all right. Yes, 27 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 2: So we've talked about the Chinese Communist Party, and that's 28 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: truly an infiltration. Now, while I'm going through all this, 29 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: I want you to set aside whatever you believe about 30 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: birthright citizenship and just think about the national security implications 31 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: of the current interpretation. So we went through the whole 32 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: thing about I mean, there's at least at least one 33 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: and a half million people in China being indoctrinated by 34 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: the Chinese Communist Party, being educated by them, indoctrinated to 35 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: educated the same thing over there, And at some point 36 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: we'll come back here with full voting rights, become titans 37 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 2: of business, titans of industry, become military leaders. They'll infiltrate 38 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: every aspect of our society, religious, cultural, business, political, everything 39 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: raised and in justice Jackson's words, with allegiance to Beijing, 40 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 2: not to us. So now let's go to the southern border. 41 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: The Pew Research Center not exactly a bastion of right 42 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: wing conspiracy nuts. Right they report that about nine percent 43 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: of all US births in twenty twenty three were too 44 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: unauthorized or illegal immigrant mothers. There are other estimates that 45 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: put the number of anchor babies born in this country 46 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: at about four hundred thousand per year, and that includes 47 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: rugrats born to illegal immigrants, to legal residents, and foreigners 48 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: on short term visas. But the ticking legal time bomb 49 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: embedded in every one of those births once they turn 50 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 2: twenty one. Those citizen US citizen children who turn twenty 51 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: one can sponsor their foreign family members for US citizenship 52 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: and residency. That initiates what we call chain migration of 53 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: the child's extended family and their in laws. So the 54 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 2: child was born on our soil, the family returns to 55 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: their home country, and twenty one years later, the entire 56 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: family returns as part of chain migration, not subject to 57 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: any numerical limitation by which we control most international immigration, 58 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: because the child is a citizen. The math simple and 59 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: devastating four hundred thousand anchor babies per year times twenty 60 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: one years. However, many family members can attach to each chain, 61 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: and you have a demographic and a legal transformation of 62 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: this country that no Congress they were voted for, no 63 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: president ever signed into law, no American ever consented to 64 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 2: it the ballot box. It happened because of a supreme 65 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: Court ruling in eighteen ninety eight that has been stretched 66 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: far beyond anyone's original intent. Now, MCE, you look at Europe, 67 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: look at Europe, and then say to my face, oh, 68 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: I'm wrong about where this leads United Kingdom, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, 69 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: those nations that open their doors to mass migration under 70 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 2: the banner of multiculturalism, they now watch their nation's cultural 71 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: cohesion fracture. They watch as their social welfare systems buckle, 72 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: their cities transform in ways that their own citizens never endorsed, 73 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 2: never anticipated, never thought out, believe that whatever happened to them, 74 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: Hungary said no, Hungry maintained their sovereignty. Now Hungary is 75 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: not applauded by the European elite. Hungry gets punished because 76 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: it dared to assert that a nation has the right 77 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 2: to determine who belongs with it. It's borders. That's not bigotry, 78 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 2: that's the very definition of a sovereign state. Of a 79 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: sovereign nation. Well room the same path as Europe, and 80 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: I believe the Supreme Court appears was about to keep 81 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: us on that same path. Now I think this decision 82 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: should be nine to zero. Getting rid of birthright citizenship. 83 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: I don't think it will be. I don't think it 84 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: will be five to four. I think it's probably gonna 85 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: be if I if I had to place a bet, 86 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: if I had to, if I if you put a 87 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 2: gun to my head and said you've got to bet 88 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 2: your kingdom seven to two, Thomas and Alito, well will 89 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: dissent and the other seven will keep it as is 90 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:14,119 Speaker 2: pretty depressing, isn't it? At first glance? 91 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 3: It is. 92 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: What I'm about to tell you. I don't think he's 93 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: going to alleviate your depression because of what I suggest 94 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: as an alternative, because the alternative requires something that to 95 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: give you a little hint. Well, they're too busney, you know, 96 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: skeep shooting, They're too busy going to Disneyland. They're too 97 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: busy doing this or that, because well, you know, it's passover. 98 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: Last Friday was good Friday. It's you know it, well, 99 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: not Palm Sunday. Soon be good Friday, soon be easter. 100 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 2: They're on two week vacation. But I want to introduce 101 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: you to an unlikely ally because the argument I'm willing 102 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: to present you doesn't come from some fire breathing conservative. 103 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: It comes from Harvard law professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz. I 104 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: wouldn't exactly call Dershowitz a card carrying member of the 105 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: MAGA movement. Dershowitz went on the record and said something 106 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: that I think both sides in yesterday's argument entirely ignored. 107 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: But I want to hear I want you to hear it. Clearly, 108 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: the Fourteenth Amendment does not end with the citizenship clause. 109 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: It has four sections. It ends with these words. Congress. 110 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: Let me quote, Congress shall have the power to enforce 111 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. Read that again. 112 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: Listen to it again. Congress shall have the power, not 113 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: the president alone. Looks I happen to agree that. I 114 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: don't think that Donald Trump or any president has the 115 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: power by executive order to just uphend this. Am I 116 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: glad that he tried. Yes, did at least get the 117 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: issue before the court. Yes, there are all sorts of 118 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: reasons why Politically, I'm glad that Donald Trump did what 119 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: he did. I don't think it survives the legal test. 120 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: But you know what he's doing. He's taking an issue 121 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: that everybody wants to ignore, and he's taking it like 122 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: a pie in a comic skit and he's smashing it 123 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: in our face, and I'm glad he's done it. Congress 124 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: shall have the power, not the president alone, not a bureaucrat, 125 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: not a court interpreting an eighteen ninety eight president that 126 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: involved a man who's Chinese parents were lawfully in this 127 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: country operating a business. Congress, now, Dur's what's point is surgical, 128 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: and I think it's devastating. I think it's devastating. Even 129 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: if the Supreme Court uphos wokim arts interpretation, even if 130 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: the Court says birthright citizenship is constitutionally embedded, that same 131 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: amendment gives Congress the key to define who is and 132 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: who is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. 133 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: That's the operative phrase that everybody's focused on. So let's 134 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: use it. Let's take it to our advantage. Congress shall 135 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: have the power. Congress shall have the power to enforce, 136 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article the States 137 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: and the legislatures the people said Congress, Congress. So Dershowitt's 138 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: point is basically this, they will define, They can define, 139 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: They should define. They could define who is and who 140 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United states. 141 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: They can define the operative phrase, the phrase that has 142 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 2: never been definitively defined by statute, the phrase that's doing 143 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 2: all the heavy lifting. In this case, it has been 144 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: doing it on one hundred and twenty eight year old 145 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: judicial opinion. So the court can rule whatever they want. 146 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 2: They don't get the last word Congress does now. Of course, 147 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: that obviously begs the question does Congress have the guts 148 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: to do it? And I know your reaction is the 149 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: same as mine, of course not. Congress is a gutless, feckless, 150 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: worthless institution. Don't even get me started. I mean, you 151 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: know how I feel about them. But let me walk 152 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: you through what Congress could do, what it should do, 153 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: and let me do it in an order of ascending 154 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: political difficulty. Because I've got how many did? I I 155 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: think seven? I think I outlined six seven. I have 156 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 2: seven options here that I think Congress can do. Now 157 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: forget forget for a moment, set aside whether any of 158 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: these are realistic or unrealistic politically, I'm just giving you 159 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 2: what the options are. It will be up to us 160 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: to demand that they do something, and I knowe that 161 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: requires some heavy lifting. We might have to throw some 162 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 2: people out that we actually kind of think are good 163 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: congressmen because they won't do this. But now we're getting 164 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: to the crux of whether we want to survive as 165 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: a republic or not. 166 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 3: I was. 167 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: I was probably last night as depressed as you could 168 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 2: possibly imagine after listening to these court arguments. I don't 169 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: want to make something clear. I think the Solicitor General 170 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: did an admirable job. I know a lot of people 171 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: don't like him. They think he he and he did. 172 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: He missed a couple of points. He wasn't really he 173 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: should have known that Justice gor Such, who loves to 174 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 2: talk about Indian Treaty law, he should have known that 175 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: gor Sutch would ask a question about what about Indians 176 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: not taxed, which is in the case in the case law. 177 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: He should have anticipated that question and he should have 178 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: had something ready. And he basically said, I don't know. 179 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: I hadn't thought about it. But other than a few 180 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: stumbling points like stumbling blocks like that, I thought that 181 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 2: the Solicitor General did an admirable job of presenting the case. 182 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: I know he has a strange voice, so what I 183 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 2: know he speaks rapidly. That's and you may perceive that 184 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: as being too fast. But you have to under that 185 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: he wants to get in everything he can to an audience, 186 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 2: that is, to nine people who are trained, who are well, 187 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: maybe with the exception of one or two of them, 188 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: who are trained to understand legal arguments fast, quickly, fast paced. 189 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: Bam bam, bam, bam, bam, bam bam. You're not so 190 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 2: you may interpret that his speed of the argument as 191 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: being nervous or not very solid, not very logical. No, 192 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: do not take it that way, because he knows that 193 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 2: at any moment a justice could ask him a question 194 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: that eats up almost his entire argument. So he's got 195 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: to get everything on the record as quickly as he can. 196 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 2: So let's think about what I would describe as the 197 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 2: legislative of arsenal. Option one, very simple, just amend the 198 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 2: Immigration and Nationality Act to define what subject to the 199 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: jurisdiction thereof means. That's the Dirshiwitch option. It is the 200 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: most defensible, the most targeted, and frankly I think the 201 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 2: most elegant. The phrase subject to the jurisdiction thereof has 202 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: never been statutorily defined. The default has simply been everyone 203 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: born on us soil, and that's just been accepted. Well, 204 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: guess what Congress could pass a law specifying that subject 205 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: to the jurisdiction means born of at least one parent 206 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: who is a US citizen or is a lawful permanent resident, 207 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: or is a member of the Armed forces. Period Other 208 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: than that, No, you're not subject of the jurisdiction thereof. 209 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: That is a statutory definition of a constitutional phrase that 210 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: has been left hanging for one hundred and fifty eight years. 211 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 2: This approach has constitutional grounding precisely because Section five with 212 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: the Fourteenth Amendment invites Congress instructs Congress to do that work. 213 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: Versions of this. 214 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: Bill, the Birthright Citizenship Act, have been introduced in virtually 215 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: every Congress for more than thirty years now. The most 216 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: recent version would deny automatic citizenship at birth to children 217 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: born in the United States to parents who are not 218 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: US nationals or lawful permanent residents, refugees, or members of 219 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: the armed forces. Whether you like that particular bill or not, 220 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: I don't care. Pass it, sign it. That's the Court 221 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: evaluate a statutory definition rather than in an executive order. 222 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: At least engage the battle. Congress, at least do your 223 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 2: effing job. How about that? Is it so much to 224 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: ask that Congress actually do something. All these a holes 225 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: are out here right now in vacation. I understand if 226 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: you're Jewish, it's great pass over. I get that two 227 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: weeks for Easter, get good Friday off. Maybe when you're 228 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: a kid, you got good Friday off. Don't get me 229 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: started on that. 230 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 3: That's option one. 231 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: Congress. Just do your job. Just pass the bill that's 232 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 2: been introduced every year for thirty years. Now, I bet 233 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: you didn't even know that. How many of you even that? 234 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: Raise your hands? You know what that happened? Yeah? I 235 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: didn't think. So there's another option that I think might 236 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: Actually I think that the first option I gave you 237 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: I think is the easiest option. Part of me thinks 238 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: the second option might be the easier option. How about 239 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: just enacting anti birth tourism legislation even if the court 240 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 2: leaves Let's just assume for a moment. I'm talking about 241 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: an assumption. Let's say the Court leaves the general framework 242 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: or birthright citizenship intact. Well, it doesn't mean that Congress 243 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: is They're hands are tied. Congress could target the specific 244 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: abuse that I described about birth tourism. They could pass 245 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 2: a law that defines persons in the United States on 246 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: tourist visas, student visas, or non immigrant temporary visas that 247 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 2: they are not subject to the jurisdiction for purposes of 248 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: the citizenship clause in the Fourteenth Amendment. If Congress passes 249 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 2: a law saying that people who come for birth tourism 250 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: or who just pass through the United States are not 251 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 2: subject to the jurisdiction of the country, then the Fourteenth 252 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: Amendment cannot grant their children's citizenship. Now that's narrower than 253 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 2: a full redefinition, but it does target the egregious abuse, 254 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: and it stills the broader framework intact for people who 255 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 2: are genuinely durably connected to this country. It's a surgical 256 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 2: scoutaple Michael. 257 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: It's interesting with what I believe were Robert's comments about 258 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: a new world, same old Constitution. Well, if that's the case, 259 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: how did the same old Constitution evolve to incorporate First 260 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: Amendment protections for cell phones, computers, and the like. I 261 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: think that's an evolving issue and that the fourteenth Amendment 262 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: needs to be reevaluated much like the First was. 263 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: I thought you were going to go toward the Second 264 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 2: Amendment and how the right to keep him bear arms 265 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: shall not be infringed is now infringed in all sorts 266 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 2: of ways. So yes, I don't disagree. But before I 267 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: get back into this, let's give away this second pair 268 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 2: of Rockies tickets. 269 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 3: Run Rocky tickets. 270 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 2: Tomorrow is the big day. By the way, Mandy and 271 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: I are doing a show together tomorrow from nine to noon. 272 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 2: Will be down at coors Field. I'm not quite sure 273 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 2: where we're located. I as soon at the corner. 274 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 3: Of Course Field. 275 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: Michael book not in kours will be at twentieth and Blake. 276 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 3: I assume, yeah, course Field. 277 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: We won't be in course Field and you can't be 278 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 2: on curse, so you be at So we'll be at Coursfield. 279 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 2: But at could be twentieth and Blake. It could be 280 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: twenty second, it could be you know, we could be 281 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 2: down under the overpass. We could be any mon place. 282 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 4: Well, I sure hope you find out before nine am tomorrow. 283 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 2: I'll just wander around. You know, you'll just. 284 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 3: Look mister Magoo wearing your pink shirt. 285 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 2: Okay, how are we give away these two tickets? 286 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 4: I will do it again into the text messages and whatnot, 287 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 4: because that's that's easiest for me. I don't know if 288 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 4: it's complicated or hard for you guys out there, but. 289 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 3: It's easiest for me. 290 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: And that's all we care about, is. 291 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 4: So text in three three one oh three, keyword Mic 292 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 4: or Michael, get your first name, your last name, your 293 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 4: email address, and an answer to the question that Michael's 294 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 4: gonna come up with. 295 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 3: Right now, who's the new announcer for the Colorado. 296 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 4: And we will do a timed delay on this one. 297 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 4: It is now currently ten thirty five. Let's go ten 298 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 4: thirty eight and twenty seven seconds. 299 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 2: Ten thirty eight, twenty seven full name, email address? And 300 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: who's the new announcer for the Rockies? That was announced 301 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 2: on KOA yesterday during the pregame show at ten thirty. 302 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 3: All right, and what's that text line? 303 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: The text line number is three three one zero three, 304 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 2: keyword Mike or Michael. This is a para tickets for 305 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: Saturday's game. All right, go, I want to get to 306 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: a text message before I go back into my litany 307 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 2: of ways that we can fix this eighty one to twelve, 308 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 2: writes Michael. What and well, let me just rip you, 309 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 2: let me reape you apart. After I read your text, 310 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 2: I wonder how far your own heritage. Heritage goes in America. 311 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 2: If we got rid of birthright citizenship, would it affect 312 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 2: your own lineage? I mean, did your parents migrate to 313 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 2: America or your grandparents? How? How far back does it 314 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: go for your parents? And if it was your parents 315 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: that came to America during World War II and had 316 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: you on American soil when they were Europeans, wouldn't your 317 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 2: citizenship be in question if that birthright citizenship was to 318 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: be abolished. No, it would be regardless of my what 319 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: my ma heritage is, because we had no immigration laws 320 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 2: until the Immigration and Nationality Act of I think it 321 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: was nineteen thirty four when we decided that it was 322 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: time to start controlling immigration, which a sovereign nation has 323 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: the right to do. But if you want to ask 324 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 2: about me personally, that make any difference, because my lineage 325 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: goes back to the Cherokee Nation. No, I'm not Elizabeth Warren. 326 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: Mine actually traces back to my grandfather, my great grandfather, 327 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 2: who my great grandfather, who came on the on the 328 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: Trail of Tears and they settled in I hate to 329 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: say in Texas and eventually made their way to Oklahoma. 330 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 2: But that's immaterial, it's in material. A nation has a 331 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 2: sovereign right to determine who are citizens and who are 332 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 2: not citizens of their country. We just did not do 333 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 2: that until we actually enacted legislation. No one's challenging the legislation. 334 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: We're The challenge has to do with an interpretation that 335 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: granted citizenship. My interpretation, and I think many legal scholars too, 336 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: that granted citizenship unequivocally to former slaves and to children 337 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: of slaves. And that's as far as it was supposed 338 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 2: to go. But we went even further. Under the Wong 339 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: Kim Wong arc case of eighteen fifty eight or whatever 340 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 2: it was. His parents were here as Chinese nationals. They 341 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: came lawfully, did everything the right way, not under any 342 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 2: sort of statue, but just came here lawfully, established businesses, 343 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: started paying taxes, doing everything they were supposed to do. 344 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 2: But he could not get citizenship. And so that was 345 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 2: the first interpretation. Well, your parents are here and you're 346 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 2: born here, so you're a citizen. That was the initial interpretation, 347 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: and I think it was wrong, just absolutely wrong. Now 348 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 2: back to my treatise about what I think that Congress 349 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 2: can do. The first room was really simple just amend 350 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: the current law, the current statute, the Immigration and Nationality Act, 351 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 2: and define what, subject to the jurisdiction thereof means. That 352 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: would mean, in my interpretation of it, it would mean that 353 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 2: your parents have to be at least one parent has 354 00:23:54,480 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 2: to be a citizen, a lawful resident, and otherwise no, 355 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: you're not. You're not very easy. They could do it, 356 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 2: and a bill like that, similar versions have been introduced 357 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 2: for the past thirty years. Now. I know that also 358 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: tells you something about the likelihood of Congress doing something, 359 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 2: because we are at a crossroads in this nation, and 360 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: that crossroads is are we going to remain a constitutional 361 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 2: republic or are we going to allow And I guess 362 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 2: I'm being partisan here. It's not just Democrats, but it's 363 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: mostly Democrats and some Republicans who want to fundamentally transform 364 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 2: this nation. And I am absolutely opposed to that. But 365 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 2: there's a second option that I was getting into, and 366 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: that was just past anti birth tourism legislation, because even 367 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: if Congress left the general framework or birthright citizenship intact, 368 00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 2: they could target the abuse of that framework by simply 369 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 2: passing a law defining that persons in this country on 370 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 2: a visa, a student visa, tourist visa, any non immigrant 371 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 2: temporary visa are not subject to the jurisdiction for purposes 372 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 2: of citizenship. If Congress passes a law saying that people 373 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: who come for birth tourism, who are just passing through 374 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 2: the United States, that they are not subject to the 375 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: jurisdiction of the country, then guess what by acts of Congress, 376 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 2: which the fifth Provision of the Fourteenth Amendment says that 377 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:37,719 Speaker 2: Congress shall pass laws to implement this amendment, then they 378 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: will do so. They will define what subject to the 379 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 2: jurisdiction means. This is a narrower rather than a full 380 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 2: redefinition because it targets the abuse while leaving the broader 381 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: frameworked intact for anybody who is genuinely durably connected to 382 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 2: the country. As I said, I think it's the surgical scalp. 383 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 3: The Center for. 384 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 2: Immigration Studies, they have estimated that birth tourism accounts for 385 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 2: somewhere between twenty and twenty six thousand births a year. 386 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 2: That's the targeted universe. Eliminate that abuse by statute, and 387 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 2: you've simply closed down the Chinese birth tourism industry and 388 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: the Russian maternity hotel racket that's going on in Miami. 389 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: In one stroke, think about that all in one stroke. 390 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 2: Now before we take a break. Who won TJ? 391 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 4: TJ is our Rockies tickets winner for a Saturday's game? 392 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 4: And what was the answer to the trivia question there, Michael. 393 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 3: Zach Goodman, there you go. 394 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 2: Yep, got it. Now, I'll give you option three when 395 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 2: we get back. 396 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 5: Wonder, wander, Wonder, Wander, wonder, wonder. I hear you say, 397 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 5: wander around all the time. Wander is not the same 398 00:26:59,480 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 5: as wonder. 399 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, wonder you wonder new clearn clear whatever. 400 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 2: Let me explain something. Let me explain something to you. 401 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 2: I find it fascinating that on the text line, I 402 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 2: don't disagree with your sentiment that Congress is worthless, Congress 403 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: is despicable, Congress is a disservice. Every single member is 404 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 2: a disservice to this nation. Because if you're not actively 405 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 2: trying to fix it, then you're part of the problem. 406 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if anybody there that's actually 407 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 2: actively trying to fix it. Oh, you can point out, 408 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 2: you know, Thomas Massey, you can point out Rand Paul, 409 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 2: you can point out all the outliers. They're not really 410 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: trying to fix it. They're trying to preserve their seat. 411 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 2: They're no statesmen. So I get that the likelihood of 412 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: Congress doing anything is remote. But before I gave you 413 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 2: these options, and I'm only halfway through them, Before I 414 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 2: gave you the options, you had no tools by which 415 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 2: to make an argument within your sphere of influence about 416 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 2: changes that could be made. You just thought that, well, 417 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court rules against as it's over, it's done. 418 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 2: The Republic's finished, and the Republic may be finished. And 419 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 2: maybe you don't want to fight. I want to fight. 420 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 2: I want to fight to the bitter end, and as 421 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: long as I have this microphone, I will continue to 422 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: do so, both in and outside the studio. If you 423 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: don't want to fight, that's your choice. I can't force 424 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 2: you to. All I can do is I can give 425 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 2: you some tools. I can give you some arguments. I 426 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 2: can give you some rationale, and you can take them 427 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 2: and you can reject them. I'm not here trying to 428 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: make friends. I'm not here trying to do anything except, 429 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 2: you know, make a program that's interesting and entertaining and 430 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: hope that you will listen and at least think about 431 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: what I have to say. Beyond that, I have no 432 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 2: control over you any more than you have any control 433 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 2: over me. But if you just start from the premise 434 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: that it's done and you don't even want to make 435 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 2: the argument, well that's what's wrong with the country. And 436 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: I'm not even saying that you have to make the 437 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: argument to a member of Congress. Maybe you've got somebody 438 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 2: in your sphere of influence, that is, you know, five 439 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 2: degrees or four degrees or two degrees separation from someone 440 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 2: who is influential more so than you and I are. 441 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 2: At least I'm giving you some tools to put in 442 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: your toolbox to go make the argument. At least I'm 443 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 2: giving you something that you you can think about that 444 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 2: I doubt anybody else has given you something to think about. 445 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 2: We can either just roll over and hope to God 446 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: that you know, whatever the Second American Revolution looks like, 447 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:19,239 Speaker 2: that somehow will survive it. I doubt we will. Now 448 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that that means it's the end of 449 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 2: the country, but it could certainly be something that is 450 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 2: not anything like what we look like right now in 451 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,959 Speaker 2: terms of a constitution, a representative republic where the people 452 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: of sensibly behold the power. No, because the trend in 453 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,959 Speaker 2: humanity is toward the darkness, not toward the light. And 454 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 2: that is precisely the battle that is going on now 455 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:55,479 Speaker 2: between darkness and light, between good and evil. Oh, it 456 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 2: gets encapsulated in a battle between Republicans and Democrats, conservatives 457 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: and liberals, all the other labels that you want to have, 458 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 2: But generically speaking, strategically speaking, it is a battle between 459 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 2: good and evil. Michael, are you saying that those on 460 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 2: the left that want to fundamentally transform this nation into 461 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 2: something that it is currently is not or evil? Yes? 462 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 2: I am, Yes, I am, because they don't want you, 463 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 2: as a sovereign individual, as a person made in the 464 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 2: image of God, that they don't want you to make 465 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 2: your own decisions about how to live your life. They 466 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: want to make those decisions for you. And if there's 467 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 2: something fundamental about humanity, regardless of where you are on 468 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 2: this planet, I believe that you have a fundamental God 469 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 2: given right to make your own decisions about how you 470 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 2: want to how you want to live your life, to 471 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 2: make your own choices, to live in freedom, to live 472 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 2: in liberty, and I know, living and living, living and 473 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 2: Breathing and working and participating in liberty and freedom is hard.