WEBVTT - 2-5-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.680 Don't want to be going to that abound seven hundred 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:06.320 dollars all that will be welcome to it. You know, 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:08.520 I am sick to the trade. Only first on the 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:12.120 radio station that actually is a blue collar kind of guy. 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:14.640 Everyone else sits on and you know they really suese people. 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.520 It's a stupid job. I sit in here and talk 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:19.040 to myself for three hours. I have no idea if 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.400 you're listening, and then why I'm not here. I'm doing 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:23.880 the constructor light itself, you know, remodeling, and I rentals 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:25.959 and things like that. So I love the trades and 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.880 I'm passionate about it, and I love getting people in 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:32.000 industry and manufacturing and things like that. So that's I'm 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.520 excited when I saw this story. A thirty one million 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:38.000 dollar advanced manufacturing workforce and innovation hub is going in 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.400 in Hamilton. It's if you know the old Champion Paper 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:42.320 building is, it's located there. It's like three hundred and 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.600 seventy five thousand square feet. It's it's incredible the scope 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.720 of this, and it's Butler Tech. It's Ohio mean jobs, 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.200 Butler County and our friends at Miami University are all 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:55.120 teaming up to do this project because Ohio every year 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.160 we generate something like one hundred and forty billion dollars annually. 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:00.840 Seven hundred thousand jobs in Ohio are in what's called 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:04.360 a m when you hear AM hub, that's advanced manufacturing hub, 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:06.600 and we want more of those jobs here. Ohi's in 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:08.759 the top five. We want to be number one. And 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.080 one of the people behind this is the president of 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:15.160 the Miami University, Gregory Crawford. Mister president, Good morning, how 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:17.119 are you? Thanks for having me. Yeah, I don't think 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.160 I've ever had a president and studio of anything before. 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:22.039 Maybe you're gonna be the first. This is hollowed ground. Hey, 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.039 good to have you here on the show this morning. 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:25.480 And by the way, you know, i'd be remiss if 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:27.399 by to take congratulations to your basketball team. 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:30.440 I know our men's team is undefeated and our women 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.720 is undefeated in the MAC and hockey teams really. 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:34.560 Doing super well too. 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.720 Yeah, so we're all excited about Red Hawk athletics. 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.880 I know I'm sick for hockey and Coffe's college basketball too. 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:43.920 So Miami it's always a fun place to go and 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.560 watch games as well, and so congratulations for that. By 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:49.760 the way, you are the hope that of all Cincinnati 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:51.120 right now, because all the rest of our teams here 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.840 are terrible. So we are like totally leaning into Miami 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.520 University Athletics right now. You hope. We love the attention. 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.480 I know you do. Let's get into you'll hear the 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:03.520 term am AT today. AM hub. We have AM and 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.280 it means advanced manufacturing. People here that go what exactly 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:07.560 is advanced manufacturing? 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.440 So advanced manufacturing utilizes the state of the art equipment 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:16.560 and technology, and furthermore, it's leverages data science and artificial 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:20.560 intelligence and cybersecurity and the digital side of it as well. 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:23.600 And so our Advanced Manufacturing Hub is bringing that all 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:27.480 together for training for students that can do certificates, they 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.720 can do associate degrees or bachelor's degrees. 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:34.079 Yeah. And there's another one too. It's called additive manufacturing, 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:34.760 which is three D. 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.679 Right, it's three D manufacturing, Yeah, and so it can 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:40.960 be One example would be a polymer that you program 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.280 it in it keeps layering the polymer down until it 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.400 gives you a great object that you're trying to design. 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:47.840 Right right, this is the future of you know, machine 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.040 shops used to be these greasy places and now it's 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.119 like a computer lab where you have to it's clean 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.200 rooms and white white lab coats, and even more so 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.080 with three D printing. And so if you think this 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.480 is these are the manufacturing jobs of old where you're 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:00.960 in a factory and it's awful and you know, giant 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.480 presses are smashing your body parts, It's like, that's not 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:07.680 the way it is anymore because it's very it's super 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:08.160 high tech. 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:09.079 It's really impressive. 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:10.280 And what of these do you know the top of 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:13.720 your head? With these jobs typically pay, I'm not sure. 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.760 The graduates of engineering technology can start off in the 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:20.560 sixty to seventy thousand dollars range. This depending whether your 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:25.720 mechanical technology or computer technology or electoral technology. And so 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:27.880 there tend to be well paying jobs. They are in 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.680 demand and the employers are looking for that talent. 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.000 Yeah, and and and then that's the thing too, is 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.680 we have this in Ohio, this unique strategic advantage that 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:38.880 most other states don't have. Right, we have that geographic 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.160 position in Cincinnati is the heart of the country, right, 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:43.640 we're in the middle in the valley of that. We 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:47.960 also have infrastructure that's already in place, be it rail roads, 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:52.240 an Automotive Corridor. We have aerospace here in southwest Ohio, 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.280 and so all those things come together and it's really 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.600 attractive for businesses. The only missing piece, of course, is 0:03:57.960 --> 0:03:59.000 workforce regular labor. 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.040 Yeah, work for development is super important for Ohio and 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.080 any time they're trying to recruit a company to Ohio, 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.840 it comes down to talent, talent and talent. And so 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.880 we believe Butler Tech and Miami University and all our 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:15.120 partners Ohio means Jobs. The Butler County Commissioners and the 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.320 City of Hamilton believe we can pull this off and 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.359 deliver the talent that this state needs to attract those companies. 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.200 Okay, so take me through it. Let's say somebody wants 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.520 to get into this program. What is their day like, 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:25.359 what is their life like? 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.560 Well, it's interesting, So there's all kinds of entry level points. 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.400 So we collaborate with the phenomenal Career Tech High School 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:36.080 and there we coexist together, but it's much more integrated 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:39.160 in that building. So Butler Tech is there, and so 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.159 students can graduate with the high school diploma with the 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:46.320 workforce development in manufacturing, and then if they wish, they 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:50.160 can do a certificate at the manufacturing Hubay, they can 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.240 do an associate degree a bachelor's degree, and so the 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.719 education is very hands on. And so if a student's 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.880 looking to do experiential learning, to get in there and learn, 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.919 I doing improve with practice and growth experience. It's the 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.480 right sort of career choice that you can take and 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.279 graduate with a great job. And you don't necessarily have 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.280 to do all your degree all at once. You can 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.200 come in, get a certificate, go work. Then the company 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.039 can help pay for associate degree, go back, so we 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.520 can cycle back all these you know, students that we're 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.159 graduates and then get more advanced degrees as time goes on, 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.320 and we work hand in hand with our employers. 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.760 Yeah, and it's you, it's Butler Tech, it's Butler County 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:31.080 and O High means jobs and so it's not just 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.760 you know, engineering students for example at Miami University, it's 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:36.520 also people to Butler Tech that are going to be 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.560 the technicians in the field and even high schools. It 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:41.640 sounds like as well, and you're you're encompassing all this. 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.359 It's a multi generational kind of thing and multi multi 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:45.560 practice kind of thing as well. 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:45.920 Yeah. 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.839 Absolutely, and we're so excited to work with Butler Tech. 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.760 You know, it's a phenomenal career tech high school. It's 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.320 well known in Ohio but across the country, and we 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:56.800 bring that together with the Miami brand, and then we 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.240 have all the support of our partners through the Butler 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.160 County Commissioner and Ohio Means Jobs in the city of Hamilton, 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:04.320 and so it all kind of blended together in a 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.000 great way. And we had to launch on Monday, and 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:07.920 so we're off and going. 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.520 I love this. Everything's up and running at this point. 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.520 How many students that any one time can go through this. 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.159 It's a very large building, and so there'll certainly be 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.800 several hundred students in our Engineering technology program, and there'll 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:23.120 be several hundred students that'll be from Butler Tech, and 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:24.839 we'll kind of have that end to end, you know, 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:26.560 the high school of the kids that'll be working a 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.800 little bit with the students at Miami and vice versa. 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.000 The Butler Tech students can also get college credit while 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.160 they're there, and so they can accelerate an associate or 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.760 a bachelor's degree and pay a lot less money for 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.880 it when they're done because they can leverage the programs 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.039 at Ohio and get it paid for it. 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:48.200 I love how it also com mingles different different experiences 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.159 and backgrounds, which is important at university like Miami President Crawford, 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.719 but also younger people like it started. I'm guessing what 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.960 ninth tenth grade this starts, and then you get on 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.200 this track and then you're you know, working alongside or 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.039 learning alongside I should say, students from my university. And 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.640 so it's like this whole pipeline and when they graduate, 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:05.520 they're ready to go with the workforce exactly. 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.080 So we're super excited and we couldn't be more happy 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.320 with our partners that came in to make this all happen, 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:14.400 this vision of reality. And then I was super excited 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:16.960 because it took about two years and you could see 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.680 it progress. We were able with the Butler County Commissioner 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.080 support and finance, we were able to get that building 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.520 is already adjacent to our campus and touches it and 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.520 so it broadened our campus out. But the building, if 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.360 you haven't seen it as spectacular and the equipment is 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:32.000 even more important. 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:33.920 I have to see it in person at some point too, 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:35.640 because I'm fast and I love that stuff, and I 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.520 love advocating for it. He's a president of Miami University, 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.720 doctor Gregor Crawford, and study this morning and talking about 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:45.600 this new thirty one million dollar advanced Manufacturing hub in Hamilton, 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.080 which is going to be a pipeline, a conduit for 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:49.920 jobs here in Ohio. We have all these wonderful things. 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:53.080 We've got proximity, we've got a location, we've got we've 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.720 got a workforce ready to go, and it's bringing all 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.040 these things together. And I don't often talk about you 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.480 as you know, the struggles universities are are well known. 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:02.360 And I don't want to say, you know, you've hit 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.360 a bubble, but you know your transition. Let's put it 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.200 this is this the future of the way schools are 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:08.320 going to go. Now where we're we're taking not just 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.240 the you know, the halls of academia, but we're also going, hey, 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:13.160 you know, if you want hands on learning, experience and 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.720 workforce ready, we're pairing that into one seamless operation. 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:17.240 Yeah. 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:20.120 It's it's actually works really well with our Hamilton campus 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:24.640 and the degrees there that were really popular was Engineering, 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:28.160 Technology and Commerce, which is the business degree there, and 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:31.520 nursing and healthcare and so forth. So it really came 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:35.400 into the vision with this manufacturing technology in a big way, 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:37.760 and then we hit with Butler Tech and then off 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:40.760 we go. And so I do think this experiential learning 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:44.000 is something that students are looking for. And also when 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.640 they graduate, you know, college is expensive, no question, they're 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.040 looking for a great career to jump right in. 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.640 And or or maybe it's the fact that like, hey, 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.319 I'm reluctant to do college because it's so expensive college. 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.080 I don't know if I'm college material, but I'll start 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.959 here with this hands on and maybe it grows to 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:00.959 the point where, like, you know what, I really want 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:02.760 to be an engineer and then you go into the 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.640 Beckelord program at Miami and you know, you know you're 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:06.319 ready by that point. 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.800 Yeah. Absolutely, And that's the pathway that they can follow 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.640 as well. They can start at the manufacturing hob and 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.319 if they want to go into you know, an engineering degree, 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:18.079 they can transfer over to Miami and Oxford seamlessly and 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:19.880 and you know, move their career ahead that way. 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:21.840 Yeah. We're also going to see and I'm sure there 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.160 is how many companies, how many manufacturing companies are behind this, 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.760 because that's the motivator for them is, Hey, we invest 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:29.880 in this. We've got a workforce already. We have a 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:34.440 say basically in how these students are coming out of school. 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:35.960 They're ready to learn as opposed to you know, you're 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:37.600 the stories like, well now we've got to retrain them 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:39.520 the right way because of what they learned is there's 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.520 a disconnect. It sounds like this, this eliminates that. How 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:44.320 many companies are involved in this process? 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.240 Yeah, we got thirty companies so far and it's an 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:48.240 exciting cohort. 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:49.080 And you're right. 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.839 They work with us to think through the curricula and 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.520 like what their talent needs if they hire them in 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:58.360 their company. And so we get that first hand knowledge 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.040 from our constituents and our stakehold holders, and so we 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.040 brought them into the fold to help us think through 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.320 what the next what the future curriculum looks like. 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:09.559 Yeah, so Miami University is part of Miami Thrive. I 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:10.960 keep seeing that pop up to what is that. 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.200 Miami Thrive is the name of our brand new strategic plan. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.000 And so we've been at it and we just are 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:20.440 now in the execution phase. We talked to more than 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.760 two thousand people and stakeholders. We had more than two 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:26.920 hundred that were involved in committee work, and we thought 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.240 future back, so we ask ourselves, what do students want 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:33.199 twenty thirty five and how do we prepare for that? 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.679 We thought present forward, lots of challenges and hire ed 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.040 as you mentioned, and so how do we stay robust? 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.079 And then also we thought past fulfilling. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:41.000 What got us to this. 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:45.200 Miami's been known for undergraduate education, the teacher scholar model. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:48.079 We have phenomenal faculty that do both very well, and 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.440 we're really known for being student first, and we're never 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.520 going to lose that piece of it. So we're moving 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.320 into the future with some of the traditions that got 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.480 us here and then thinking big about some of the 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:58.640 new stuff that we'll be offering. 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.360 Yeah, how quickly from graduation or you get a certificate? 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:03.400 Orders are you? Are you in the workforce the next 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.560 day if you wanted to be. There's gonna be no 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.480 problem to imagine matching people who graduate with a. 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.920 Job, absolutely no problem. Yeah whatsoever? Yeah, it's you know, 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.280 the next day. We may be embellishing a little bit there, 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:18.160 but once they graduate and also working at the manufacturing hub, 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.560 they're already knowing the companies who are going to want 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.320 to hire that and so they'll have that in place, 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.000 and so they may even have job offers long before 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:27.400 they ground. 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.079 They're fighting over the bodies. That's spine. It's going to 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.640 be fought. It makes you feel you know, it validates 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.800 your what you've done, what you've invested in. You're like, Wow, 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:35.680 all these companies want to hire me. That's pretty cool. 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:37.680 And the better yar at what you do, have more 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.160 money you're gonna make. So that's that's how it should work. Anyway. 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.280 I love that Ohio meets Jobs is right there with 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.240 you as well, and this whole step of the way 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.080 where they're going to you know, place people in these 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.280 and we're going to see more fan manufacturing wind up 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.360 relocating to Ohio because of the set imagine. 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.920 Yes, for sure, with the on storing and restoring taking 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.760 place in the country and how important manufacturing has been 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.719 in this country as a cornerstone and now going to 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.280 the future with advanced manufacturing, smart manufacturing and all the 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:06.760 AI that's taking place in manufacturing, we're ready to go. 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.760 And so we want to recruit the talent to graduate 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:11.800 and be a part of this industry and also recruit 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.560 those companies to Ohio and make a stronger economy here. 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:16.400 I'm sure the state is part of this going. Hey, listen, 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.080 we're going to try and now get these companies to 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.960 come back to Ohio and put up manufacturing hubs around there, 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.120 because you know, in that area. It's beautiful in Oxford, 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:24.960 but there's all sorts of rumor if you want to 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.080 do it up there. I guess near Hamilton, there's some 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:28.839 areas that you can do that. But that's not just here, 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:30.200 it's across the whole state. And then of course, you 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.520 know Columbus, we've got Intel at some points going and 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:34.600 I think in thirty thirty one we've got these AI 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.040 data centers coming in and we're starting to see resurgence 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:38.120 here in Ohio. 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.360 Absolutely, and it's exciting because that just means there's a 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.439 lot more opportunity for our graduates right right. 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:44.719 Well, you want to you know, you want to be 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:46.640 able to pay off the loan. At some point. They 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:48.800 got to service the loan. That's a problem. And these 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.679 are the jobs that are needed right now. And I'm 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.120 glad we're finally leading into this year. You know, I've 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:54.840 been a big proponent of the trades, but that's also 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:56.720 part of this too. You know that the people are 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.160 going to build a swiicility. You know, you've got plumbers, 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.280 you've got electricians, you get people who are experts in 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.680 motor systems and things like that, buildings and you know 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.520 it's good for everybody, and that that rising tide lifts 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:08.760 all boats. Where do you want to see this like 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:09.480 in ten years? 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:11.960 Oh, I think it's going to be just thousands and 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.400 thousands of students. And we do want to have the 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.640 model where as I mentioned earlier, cycle back, So come 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.640 go to the workforce, work you know, come part time, 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.520 take time off, come full time back to us. Just 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.000 keep it, you know, keep learning, piling up those credentials, 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.199 always to keep advancing in your career. 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:29.160 But we're there for you. 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.079 And it really is a new definition of lifelong learning 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.600 because they can keep coming back and keep getting more continuous. 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.880 Learning as it were. You know, where was there a 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:39.680 spot at the room at the table And I didn't 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:41.880 get into this. I should have before. Maybe adults that 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:43.360 want to get into this too, because it's like, Okay, 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.360 we've got high school kids, we've got young people in college, 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.800 but what about somebody who is working a job now 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:50.880 going I got to do something else that's as a future. 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.160 Yeah, absolutely, and that's always been a strength of our 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.120 regional campus there in Hamilton. For adult learners, there is 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.559 always a pathway back. And working with Ohio Means Jobs 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.120 is really they work with adults. They're looking to pivot 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.280 in their career or enhance their career or find a 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.160 new career path. And so we'll be working with adults 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.319 as well. So it'll be end to end from high 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:11.920 school students all the way have through adults. 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:13.760 And I see there's like child carest part of this too. 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:14.040 Yeah. 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.160 Absolutely, we'll be moving to make sure we have solutions 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:17.199 for that in the future as well. 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:17.480 Yeah. 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.480 One of the other big things is transportation. Does that 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:20.160 affect you all? 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.600 Yeah? They have the bus service comes right up front 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.880 of the building and drops them off, and so that's 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.320 particularly super important for Ohio Means Jobs. 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.520 You thought of everything, I hope we did. What about lunch, 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:32.920 you got a place that you had lunch there? Coming 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.800 to parking, parking spots, we got enough parking parking and 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.360 has a mult situation, got good mulch around the buildings. 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:43.120 Right now, you're going too far, I gotta ask. I 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.560 was like, make sure I got to poke holes. Does 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.640 it make sure that you thought this through completely, young man? 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.160 I No, I think it's awesome And I'm really excited 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:51.840 about this too, because I think this is the future. 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:53.560 You know, there's so much bad news and negative news 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.840 these days with the economy and things, and you hear 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.080 this and go, wow, we're starting to figure it out 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.840 here in Ohio, like we could really you bring this 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.080 manufacturing back. You know, the President was talking about that 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:06.360 and repatriating jobs and I'm shoring jobs here. But this 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:08.120 is where the rubber meets the road. It's getting young 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.400 people involved saying, hey, this is a good career. It's 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:14.000 hands on, it's tactile, we're leaning in it. I'm glad 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:15.080 Miami's spiriting this. 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:19.240 No, we're super excited. And the building's oppressive. The equipment's 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.440 more impressive. Probably when you talk with our students, the 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.680 Butler Tech students that are there and the Miami University students, 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.800 you will just be blown away, a boy, how excited 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.640 they are and how enthusiastic they are, and how talented 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.640 these students are. And they're going to be the next 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.080 you know, manufacturing engineering technologists in our country. 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.160 And if you're a mom, dad, Gramma Grip, don't don't 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.280 go in on manufacture. I'm telling it's like nanotechnology and 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.160 three D and robot it's it's not all the way 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.200 it used to be. How even twenty years ago or 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:48.120 five years ago for that, you're you're right. 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.360 It is as high tech as it gets, and it's 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.760 not what you might think of what manufacturing used to 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.960 look like decades ago. It's just a it's a phenomenal 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:57.400 career path and we're there. 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.400 Yeah, I'll talk I'll talk to parents about you know, 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.840 like I'm the building trades or something like. I don't know, 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:03.880 I saw those guys are like sitting there eating their 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.640 lunch on an ingot on top of New York City 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.040 and in the black and white picture, yeah, when they're 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.320 building the Empire State Building in nineteen thirty. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.840 that one. It's like nobody's doing that anymore. There's no 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.400 one jumping and throwing firing hot rivets at the guy 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.480 up there, and there's no absolutely no net below them whatsoever. 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.600 I mean, that's incredible and impressive, but it hasn't been 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.240 that way in a long time. It's like, you gotta 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:26.800 check out some of the high tech stuff right now. 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:28.840 It's more like a laboratory than it is a factory. 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:29.160 Oh. 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:33.280 Absolutely, you walk through, you see the additive manufacturing, subtractive manufacturing, 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:34.640 the CDC machines. 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.640 It's unbelievable. Yeah, extremely close tolerances. And we're doing it 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:39.800 right here in America. And these are great jobs are 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:41.160 going to be around for a long time. That's the 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:42.360 most important thing. Absolutely. 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.080 And you know, this country always was known for making things, 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.040 and so I'm so glad to see the manufacturing so 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:50.160 strong in Ohio and picking up even more. 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:50.360 Well. 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.720 I wish more universities would do what you're doing at Miami. Really, 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.560 it's impressive, it's cool, and it's the future too. And 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.920 the way you've developed this learning model, and because it 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:02.160 directly means jobs, that's what this is we've got a 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.280 great workforce. Let's stop the brain during keep those jobs 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.280 here and bring more jobs to the Buckeye State. It's 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.800 good for all of us. Absolutely. All right, Gregory Crawford, 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.160 President of the at Miami University. I appreciate you coming 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.040 in studio this morning. Thanks for taking time out. Thank you. 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:14.879 It's wonderful to be here. 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.240 He there, Congratulations, We're about five minutes away. From news 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.199 here on the show. Well, complete weather update, got some 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.200 weather moving in the next twenty four hours. Figure out 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.720 what's going on without your traffic traffic of course when 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.600 we return on the show. I had a representative of 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.840 yesterday from Claremont County discussing nil in high school sports 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:31.719 and he had another lawmaker but you know, both from 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.919 the CIN scenario, want to get rid of name, image, likeness, 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.159 money going to high school athletes. And I had to 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:39.920 revisit this. If you didn't hear it yesterday, I'll play 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.440 a clip for you. Also, the latest on the disappearance 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.679 of Savannah Guthrie's mom. They may have some developments in 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:48.000 this case. We'll talk about that next right afternoons Sloany 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:53.640 on seven hundred WW Scott Sloan Show. This is seven 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:59.639 hundred wlw Welcome to it. Fighting the linger not wanting 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.800 almost sort of a cold on a level of ten 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.639 being the worst cold ever and zero being clear. I'm 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.399 like a one or two a couple other people, right, 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.760 maybe you as well, Like I just have this kind 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:14.440 of sniffles, little stuffy snort a little last night, which 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:18.320 I normally don't do, Like it wants to go away. 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.440 Then it wants to come. It's the weirdest thing wants 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:24.320 to go get it. It's just like hovering around. They 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.639 don't get sick all that much anyway. I mean stress 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.320 colds and stuff go get I'm good for once a year. 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:31.159 Usually it's later in the season many way. Hopefully you're 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.360 not suffering that if you are well. I think most 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:36.520 of us have something like that going. I just it's 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.840 gonna hang around, but not quite developing a full cold. 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:41.960 At least it's not the flu. I'll take that any 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:43.280 day of the week. Well, home to the show on 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:45.440 this Thursday morning and made at back half of the week. 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.480 It was all good. We've got lots going on the 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.120 show today. Later at eleven oh seven, council Member Anna 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:54.440 Albion regarding the city paying almost one hundred thousand dollars 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.440 per kid to house them in the Curfew center, So 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.000 at a three hundred and eighty thousand dollars plus budget 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.520 for the last year and a half, we've had exactly 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:08.119 four kids who were not collected from their parents or 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:11.399 guardians when it came to curfew violations. And have a 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:13.800 reasonable question, gona really worth it, because you know I'll 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:16.199 do that one hundred thousand dollars. Kid, roughly, I'll do 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.360 it for seventy five. Bring one of my house, I'll 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.600 watch them for seventy five. Grand Well, that parents show. 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.040 What's the worst that could happen? What's the worst that 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:26.159 could happen. I want to get to some of the 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:28.119 Savannah Guthrie stuff in the second because we have some 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:32.479 developing information about that. But first though, kind of circling 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:34.720 back to the last Yesterday show. If you heard it, 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:36.200 hang on a second. If you didn't hear it, you 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:38.760 can catch that via the podcast on the iHeart Radio 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.679 app for free. And maybe you're heading out and you couldn't, 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:43.560 you can always take us on your headphones. Who We're portable. 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.720 We go wherever you are, We follow you around. We're stalkers. 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:47.800 We should get you should have a restraining order put 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:49.840 out against the iHeart Radio app and seven hundred w 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:51.480 But I do that if I were you, because we're 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:53.680 kind of creepy that way. We go wherever you want, 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.720 where you go. So yesterday in the show, I had 0:19:57.560 --> 0:19:59.800 Adam Bird on. Adam of course front of the show. 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.560 He's a lawmaker from New Richmond State representative out of 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.640 Claremont County, and he's co sponsoring legislation to ban high 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:10.080 school and IL deals because and you know rightly, so 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.600 you saw what happened in college. We saw the problems 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:16.120 that's created with college. But I would contend that that's 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:21.480 not a problem. It's evolution. It's not what we're used to. 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.600 And anytime you introduce a game changer like that's something 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.840 that just absolutely shifts the earth. They are gonna be 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:30.920 obviously unintended consequences, but you're gonna look at it go wow, 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:34.200 this is really jacked up right now. Eventually it will 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:38.399 settle down. Eventually water finds its own level. So certainly 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:40.880 for the next few years it's going to be problematic 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.520 with college and NIL and you know, sports betting and 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:46.439 all those other things that factor into this untill we, 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:48.719 you know, learn some lessons here and come up with 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:51.119 the best practices in the solution. And I don't know, 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.640 maybe it is banning, maybe, but I don't think it's 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.080 going to go back that way. He is concerned about 0:20:56.080 --> 0:21:00.320 this when it comes to high school athletes. Now you 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.040 know me when it comes to and I don't care 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:04.960 who the hell's in power, That's where I come from. 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.439 It doesn't matter if it's a Republican or Democrat. I 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:09.520 just I want less of these guys in friend in 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:12.360 my life. And you could talk about Obamacare and healthcare, 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:15.800 I could talk about Trump wanting to nationalize or federalize elections. 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:19.119 At this point, I just we need less of them 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:21.719 because whatever they touch turns to crap. Quite honestly, like 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:23.800 the less you guys do, the less you're involved in 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.880 my day to day life, the better. So I look 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:29.360 at this and go, okay, well, we want to ban 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:33.119 nil money in high school. Well why would we do that. 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:36.360 Here's the explanation Atedinburg gave on the floor yesterday. 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:41.320 If someone is so talented athletically, then by all means 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:44.840 take advantage of the opportunities that exist in the Olympics, 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:49.760 that exist in professional tours, that exist in going to 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:54.080 college early and making nil money early as at college athletes. 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:58.880 I'm not quite sure what that remedy is that Okay, well, okay, 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.679 leave go high school, will go to college, go early. 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:03.320 I don't know you're gonna be able to do that necessarily, 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:05.159 or go play on the tour or whatever it is. 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:08.080 And I think a lot of people who are you know, 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:10.440 exceptional what they do at sports in this case will 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:13.280 do that. You know, we saw my Lebron James, great example, 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:16.760 but those are so few and far between. I guess 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:18.280 I look at it and Okay, what is the what's 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:20.920 the dangerer while we're corrupting these kids, and it's it's 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:25.080 undermining amateur athletics. And it's a huge, huge, huge problem. 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:27.239 I don't know how big a problem it is. I mean, 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:29.320 if you think about the anil On high school college 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:31.240 a little bit different and certainly pros are I I 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:34.680 you're a professional athlete at that point. How many kids 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:39.600 in Ohio is this really going to effect? I mean 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:43.359 we're talking maybe life changing money. Let's say your kid 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:47.520 is the next I don't know, tennis, superstar, golf, football, 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:51.439 mister of football Ohio lock to be the first overall 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.919 pick in the NFL draft. My kids, a quarterback is 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:57.800 so good that teams, the NFL teams are really salivating 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:01.360 and we're hoping that because it will be the Cleveland 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:02.840 of the Jets that wind up getting the first pick, 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:04.560 because I always do, and they'll screw this kid up. 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:08.000 So we gotta get our money. Now. Hopefully we don't 0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:11.760 go to Cleveland or the Jets. But you have a 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:15.960 chance to make literally life changing money in a country 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:20.439 where capitalism is king and our president is exactly is 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:23.320 the poster boy for capitalism, right, the guy we got 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:27.639 now the guys the standard barrier party is literally you 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.800 look up capitalists. It's a picture of President Trump. Why 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:32.480 are we not doing this when it comes to high 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:35.080 school Like, if you have a talent or a nobility 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:37.240 that no one else has, or you're the best at 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:40.000 that particular talent ability, how can you deny them the 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:42.639 right to profit from their own name, image, and likeness, 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:45.600 and why should the government interfere with that? Well, you're 0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:48.639 ruining schools. How are we ruining schools? Look at our 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.360 schools are run. Look at our schools are funded and finance. 0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:54.040 Look at our test scores compared to the rest of 0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:56.679 the world. You've already screwed the schools. This is not 0:23:56.720 --> 0:24:01.080 gonna screw the schools up more. The stuff we worry about, 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:03.720 the handwringing and the pro clutching, is unreal. If my 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:06.000 kid is so good and he gives you thing, well, 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:07.800 you can't have a kid make more money than the 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:12.160 bus driver, the janitor, or the teacher. Yeah you can, Yes, 0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:15.800 you can. A doctor who has come up with a 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:19.359 cure for Alzheimer's or cancer, whatever it might be, is 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:22.040 still going to make less money than the best head 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:25.440 coach of the National Football League? Is that right now? 0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:27.320 From an ethical standpoint, if you take it all the 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:29.679 way go, yeah, it's kind of jacked up. And you know, 0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:32.760 we always hear from teachers the educator. Oh, teachers should 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:36.159 be making millions of dollars a year. No they shouldn't, No, 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:38.400 they shouldn't. Do you know why teachers make the money 0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:40.520 they do because we have enough teachers. When we start 0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:44.400 to run out of teachers, then teachers will make more. 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:50.719 It is about having about having an intangible benefit or 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:54.520 skill that no one else has. So is it fair 0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:58.600 that a plastic surgeon makes a measurably more money than 0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:01.960 an er doctor. Well, now, the er doctors, they are 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:04.520 saving people's lives and this guy's just doing cosmetic surgery. Yeah, 0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:08.520 but again it's a specialty. He's good at one particular craft. 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:12.040 He's making way more money. I mean, it doesn't sound fair, 0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:14.119 but life isn't about things being fair all the time. 0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:18.480 When you and so now they're saying, well, now you can't. 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:20.760 You can't profit from your name age. It's my name, 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.840 it's my image of my likeness. And if the schools 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:25.159 are telling me no, I got a problem with that. 0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:27.680 By really have a problem with a politician telling me that. 0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:30.840 A lawmaker and I love I love Adam. We've been 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:32.960 them before and talk. It's not a personal attack by 0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:34.840 any stretch of the imagination. I think we just differ 0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:39.040 philosophically on why this intervention is needed. And I don't 0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:40.800 know how many kids it's going to affect. Typically, if 0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:43.720 you know you're a standout athlete, you're the high school 0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:47.199 football star in rural Ohio, you know you're not going 0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:50.359 to get a million dollar contract from a local muffler shop. 0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:52.160 You might, you know, your parents might get a free 0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:55.200 muffler out of it. Maybe you got some walking around money, 0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:57.879 but it's not life changing most because I won't get 0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:01.560 life changing money. I would say if your kid is 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:05.640 a you know, maybe they go to school in Cincinnati 0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:10.120 and they go to the Academy Performing Arts right, and wow, 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:11.879 they're really talented. They're gonna be anoche agen see that 0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:14.040 the time. Right kids are in shows and national they're 0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:16.160 making good money they're getting paid. We should we ban 0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:19.240 a kid who's a good actor, actress, a singer, a musician, 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:23.199 an artist. What about a kid who I don't know? 0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:26.119 This happens occasionally. It's pretty rare, I would imagine, but 0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:30.120 I don't know. They're they're really scientifically minded, and at 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:33.080 the science fair they come up with I don't know, 0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:35.679 some sort of alternative to some sort of I don't know, 0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:39.200 you name it. And so the sciences are like a 0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:41.000 company goes, Wow, that's a really good idea. I'm gonna 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:43.560 buy the product. Like buy the product like they do 0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:46.640 a shark tank. Should we prevent that from happening because 0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:49.000 it's exploiting the kid? And no, of course we'd celebrate that. 0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:51.040 Go well, because you're using your mind. I just don't 0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:54.119 know what the what the beef is with athletes. I mean, 0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:57.560 I think we pay way too much attention to amateur sports, 0:26:57.560 --> 0:27:01.000 particular kids. But you know, it's think we got to 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:04.960 stop the commercialization exploitition. Guess what, it's already happened. If 0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:07.159 you're going to do that, then go after the the 0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:11.040 largely private progial schools. This is not a secret that 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.840 that those schools will recruit active, recruit kids around the country, 0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:15.680 move them to the district, put it put you, put 0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:17.639 the family up in the house, make sure that parents 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:20.399 have jobs so the kid can play sports for the school. 0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:23.400 Happens all the time. It's been happening for years. Why 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:25.920 are you going to stop that? No? Just this, what's 0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:30.520 the difference. It's like, you know, arguing about prostitution in 0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:33.000 a way, Well, you can't pay someone to have sex 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:34.960 with you. Yeah, but if I like pretend they're my 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:38.960 girlfriend and I'm the sugar daddy and put them in 0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:42.360 a department and pay for their tuition, it well, that's 0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:46.040 a relationship. No, it's not. It's prostitution. I'm giving them 0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.520 material benefit in exchange for in this case sex. You know, 0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:51.240 we already do this all the time. I just I 0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:53.720 don't understand why they need to be more active in 0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:56.439 our lives every day. Like, no one's no one's demanding this. 0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:59.280 I get it that you have a fear, like, wow, 0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:02.920 look at us school colleges. Like here's the other thing 0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:06.919 is you go to school for education, and maybe not 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:09.400 so much at college, but that is the primary thing 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:11.199 that you do, and especially in high school. And so 0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:14.640 this is a small part of that, I know, I'd 0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:18.399 say to me, it's a solution in search of a problem. 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:21.040 But all me more testimony on this coming up. I'm 0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:23.600 sure I did want to get into the Savannah Guthrie 0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:24.960 thing a little bit. So we have some new data, 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:28.600 new data, new information coming up about this. So we 0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:30.640 are on the fifth day for the search for eighty 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:34.480 four year old mother Savannah Guthrie and Nanty Guthrie. Apparently 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:36.919 the ransom note is now being circulated. TMZ had it, 0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:40.360 but also an Arizona TV station had news anchor saw this. 0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:43.440 The Shari Pololo of Arizona, if you will, sent it 0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:46.920 to that came through an email to the station. And 0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:49.320 that's not uncommon, you know, back when you had ransom 0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:51.680 notes and things like that, that they would include the media. 0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:54.440 You know, it's typically with like a son of Sam 0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:57.000 and serial killers, they'd send notices to the media to 0:28:57.080 --> 0:28:58.520 let them know and here's what's happening, and this is 0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:01.840 what I'm gonna do next. And this was just concerning 0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:03.640 in the sense because they weren't sure one hundred percent 0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:06.280 if it is indeed a legitimate threat, because there are 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:08.880 a lot of crackpots out there, and if you're a 0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:11.760 crackpot and you do these kind of things, and you 0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:15.720 want to send us stuff, send it directly. Here's the 0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:18.080 email address. If you're not even you're doing crazy stuff 0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:20.520 like this, send it to Willie at seven hundred ww 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:25.880 dot com. And Nancy got the ransom note. They weren't sure. 0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:27.840 The anchor, I guess, looked at the said I don't 0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:29.480 know if this is real or not, but it was clear. 0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:31.200 After a couple of sentences, she said that it might 0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:33.800 not be a hoax because a lot of information in 0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.520 the ransom note was someone who's holding her fends would 0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:38.160 know only know what she was wearing and everything else 0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:42.200 sensitive information that someone off the street wouldn't and they 0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:45.440 gave a dollar amount, they gave a deadline and specifics 0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:47.480 to Nancy Guthrie that the abductor would know when no 0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:49.320 one else will. So that was a red flag. She 0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:51.680 forded this to the FBI that it wasn't a prank. 0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:54.280 There's some legitimacy here. Again, we don't know what the 0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:56.480 details of this are, if that was indeed the same 0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:58.640 ransom note, if indeed this exists or not, but that 0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:03.640 is what's dropped. Yeah, it's pretty disturbing, and so they're 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:06.360 asking for money by a certain amount of time, a deadline, 0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:08.000 and it's got to be done via crypto. I was 0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:11.160 talking about this yesterday going r answer notes. Get we 0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:12.920 saw the golden age of this happened in the twenties 0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:18.040 and thirties, and then they abducted Charles Lindsburg's son and 0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:21.840 you know, he's dead, and that's when the FBI said, Okay, 0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:23.960 we're going to make this federal offense. We're going to 0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:25.640 use the power. And it really shut that whole in 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:27.760 because it was huge back of the day, and it 0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:31.360 surfaced a little bit maybe during the seventies, and you know, 0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:33.960 like anything, it's cyclical, and now it's coming back because 0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:35.920 a crypto go ow I can hold somebody hostage and 0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:39.160 now you can send me untraceable money. But again, you 0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:42.120 still are committing a federal offense. And you know, your 0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:44.320 world right now if the person the people or person 0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:46.320 responsible for this, your world is about the size of 0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:49.200 a pinhead right now, because you literally have the entire 0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:51.920 country engrossed in this, all the TV style and other 0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:54.840 news media, but in particular the Federal Bureau of Investigation, 0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:58.280 and I think President Trump call sav Anagusta yesterday said, 0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:01.080 you know, whatever resources you need, you got and so 0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:04.240 that world is definitely closing in, which makes you think 0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:06.240 that the people not thinking all that well, So who 0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:10.640 done it is the question here. Savannah Guthrie and her siblings, 0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:15.640 Annie and Cameron, her her sister and her brother. She 0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:20.720 read a very tearful Instagram video yesterday and it's hard 0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:24.680 to watch because you see how broken she is. But Nancy, 0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:27.400 her mom, was last seen around nine forty five pm Saturday, 0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:30.560 after her son in law and this would be Annie, 0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:32.959 her sister's husband. So her brother in law dropped her 0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:34.720 off at her home in Tucson, and after that she 0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:39.760 disappeared because I guess that her mom and the son 0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:43.200 in law and Annie had dinner together that night and 0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:45.680 he dropped her off. He's a science teacher, I guess, 0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:47.760 and dropped her off before safely. And then that was 0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:50.080 the last day I was so investigation it's going to 0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:52.040 start with the last person who saw you. We always 0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:54.400 start with the family. I'm sure Savannah Guthrie has been questioned, 0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:56.160 even though I'm sure the alibi as well. I was 0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:59.280 on my way to the Olympics. Pretty good alibi right there, 0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:01.640 and then you start looking at the family of the 0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:04.760 people who saw her last and that would have been 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:08.480 her family members, which is absolutely chilling anyone. They go, well, yeah, 0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:10.760 clearly they did it. Well, we don't know that for sure, 0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:13.000 but man, you start with the last people around you, 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.200 and I think that they were actually, as I saw, 0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:19.160 sheriff's deputies and the FBI were going through their home 0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:21.920 to see what they could find if there's any evidence 0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:24.680 in there, which is perfectly understandable because you'd start there 0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:25.840 and go, hey, we're going to get a search wark 0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:27.200 your last ones to see her. We're going to check 0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:29.120 and then eventually clear you and you start at the 0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:32.680 core of the circle and work your way out. Doesn't 0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:34.080 mean they did it or not, but you know, what's 0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:37.080 the motive there? Is it financial? What why would you 0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:39.239 do that if indeed it's your you know, it's your 0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:41.880 mom and you just saw her. That's a great question. 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:44.320 Are there financial issues and the like? And so you know, 0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:46.960 right now, I'm sure they're getting answers to that and 0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:51.760 either focusing the search on her daughter and her son 0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:55.920 in law, or they're world that out and expanded the search. 0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:57.680 Right now. Anyway, there's I guess at one today the 0:32:57.720 --> 0:32:59.920 sheriff there will give an update on this whole situation. 0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:03.400 Horrible fair but new news coming out about that ransom note. 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:05.719 And you know, I think, at this stage of the game, 0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:07.680 how well is this going to turn out? Hopefully she's 0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:09.920 alive and well and they keep her somewhere to be 0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.600 able to have her if indeed that is the case. 0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:14.880 One of the most bizarre stories but gripping at the 0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:19.720 same time, and we'll continue to follow it here. All right. 0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:21.800 I got to give a shout out to our friends 0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:23.680 at Dorothy Lane Market. They dropped food off to the 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:27.840 station I have not had. I've not had anything from 0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:31.800 Dorothy Lane Market where I'm like, it's okay, everything is spectacular. 0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:35.360 I don't know what they do. So they brought by 0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:39.560 some roast beef tennderloin tray which is fantastic, beautiful, melt 0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:43.520 in your mouth beef and shrimp tray, a messy tray 0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:46.040 which is worsted vegetables and stuff, and the girlled veggies 0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:50.600 were phenomenal, like a grilled zucchini and red pepper were 0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:53.920 absolutely lovely. Cheese tray from the cheesemongers there a Dorothy 0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.680 Lane Market. So it was absolutely fantastic. Appreciate them dropping 0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.360 off lunch to the show here at Dorothy Lane Market. 0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.640 Of course the original location in Dayton, but the new 0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:04.840 one is right there in Mason, Mason, Montgomery and Western 0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:09.839 Rural Road. And you know, I'm trying to think at 0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:11.680 some point, well I have something there going well that 0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:14.040 wasn't very good. I've yet to do that and spend 0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:16.560 a couple months, a couple of months. Now. I may 0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:18.200 swing by today, because I said I'm fighting off the call. 0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:20.480 I may stop by and get some more. Last week 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.480 I got a great They do their in house homemade 0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:25.440 ramen broth. You'd like to make your own ramen, get 0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:28.319 the noodles there and everything. Fantastic Again, just the best 0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:29.839 I would think about it, because they got a lot 0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:31.759 of space there upstairs where you can you know, you 0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:33.920 can have food cooked while you shop, or just go 0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:36.080 there and eat. Couples do that. They've got like a 0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:37.920 upstairs you go and bring your food. They bring your 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:39.280 food up there, and you sit there and have dinner 0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:42.799 and maybe a shop before or after. I'm thinking about 0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:47.439 moving in there. Fantastic. Just this is my little spot. 0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:48.680 Put a tent in the cord. You won't know, you'll 0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:51.000 never notice you want anyway, dor Thinglane Market, thanks for 0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:53.879 dropping food off on the show here and we'll talk 0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:55.440 about them, I'm sure in the future as well. It's 0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:57.560 fantastic because it feels like a soup day and they 0:34:57.600 --> 0:34:59.719 got awesome fresh soup too. Slowly on the Home of 0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:05.520 the Red seven hundred WW since now slowly on seven 0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:07.799 hundred WLW. I don't have to remind you, with now 0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:11.560 what almost two full weeks and sub zero temperatures here 0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:13.880 in this tri state, how hard your furnace is working, 0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:15.920 and how much money you are spending. I had seen 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:18.560 the bility yet, but when it comes, you better be 0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:21.480 laying down, not just sitting down. And demand has never 0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:23.800 been greater as a matter of fact, with all demands 0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:26.799 that we have on our energy supply right now, we're 0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:29.560 looking at the future of brownouts and maybe blackouts. And 0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:31.920 the reason driving this, of course is not just our 0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:34.120 consumption when it's colder, when it's hot for that matter. 0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:38.239 The bigger ones are like Butler County, Columbus. Right, We've 0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:41.239 got these data centers going up AI. We have electrification 0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:44.160 of vehicles twenty percent of all new car sales are 0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:47.240 either hybrid or the nine percent are just full of evs. 0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:50.080 Heat pump sales are going up. That's your air conditioning 0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:52.480 and heating. It's a heat pump now. And six out 0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:55.880 of ten heating installations here in Ohio are heat pumps. 0:35:56.360 --> 0:36:00.239 And so we're especially vulnerable things like brownouts because the 0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:03.839 supply doesn't meet the capacity and demand. So the Buck 0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.640 Guy Institute's tasked with working with the US Department Energy 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:09.040 on solutions for this. And Ray Hederman is here once 0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:10.400 again to discuss Ray. 0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:13.440 Welcome back, Hi, Ben, I'm doing well, Scott, Thank you 0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:13.960 for having me. 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:16.759 All Right, that's the thirty thousand foot view down to 0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:20.560 earth here. What's really driving this whole thing? But i'd 0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:24.040 imagine part of this has to do with innovation is 0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:27.160 the regulatory barriers. Typically with energy, we see a lot 0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:27.360 of that. 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:33.240 Yeah, absolutely, I mean, let's just recap what's happened. Normally, 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:36.480 energy projects take a long time to build out, and 0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:39.440 energy demand with flat so you're not going to go 0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:41.520 out and you're not going to build a whole bunch 0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:46.319 of new power plants if you're not expecting customers then 0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:48.480 all of a sudden, the last few years you know, 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:54.839 artificial intelligence. Everybody has phones, people are looking at Instagram, Facebook, 0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:59.359 you know, using AI. AI takes about ten times as 0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:03.360 much how today to get that answer as a Google 0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:07.920 question ten years ago. So energy demand is skyrocketing, and 0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:11.239 so now we need those data centers. The problem is 0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:16.840 scott regulatory regulations have made it so painful to build 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:22.320 energy power plants that we're simply not getting electricity online 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:25.040 fast enough. And that's where we're going to start seeing 0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:29.680 power spikes, potential brownouts. We're actually seeing data centers being 0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:32.520 told no, you can't be built because we don't have 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:35.400 enough energy to meet the needs. What we've done at 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:38.719 the Buckeye Institute is work with state wallmakers and now 0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:41.480 we're working with federal regulators to say this is what 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:45.000 needs to be happen so we can build the electricity 0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:48.000 to keep electricity affordable and reliable. 0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:50.440 How I just also has to do with the political 0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:52.799 whips of Washington, DC. Whereas you had Trump, we're going 0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:54.880 to do the Keystone XL pipeline. Great, we're going to 0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:56.719 roll that thing out, and then Biden comes along says no, 0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:58.839 we're not doing it anymore, and trust back in office. 0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:00.000 While we're going to start doing it again. 0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:03.120 Well, you know you've seen that. You've seen like the 0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:06.760 Trump administration saying, hey, we're going to close intermittent energy. 0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:09.880 You've had Democrats saying we're going to phase out coal plants. 0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:13.239 I mean the last year that Biden administration, they said 0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:17.080 we're going to eliminate basically make it almost impossible for 0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:20.920 coal and natural gas plants to operate. That's why you 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:25.040 know pjm Our energy grid that Ohio shares with a 0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:28.919 lot of other Blue states on the Atlantic Ocean. Dave 0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:32.839 Yost of many other states sued the federal government, saying, 0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:36.080 you can't do this because if you're turning off coal 0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:40.560 plants or twilling off solar plants, where's our electricity going 0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:43.040 to come from? That's dependable. I mean, if you look 0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:46.239 outside Ohio, right here in central Ohio, it's not an 0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:49.760 uncommon day, right, it's great, the sun doesn't shine as much. 0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:53.480 Solar is great for some states, it's not ideal for 0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:56.279 the state of Ohio and scott The other thing that's 0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:58.960 happened is you've had a lot of other states that 0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:02.080 have made a big deal, like New Jersey again, we 0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:06.480 share the energy grew with New Jersey, they destroyed their 0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:09.600 coal plants, that destroyed natural gas, and they based it 0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:14.320 all on optional wind and intermittent injury sources. But those 0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:17.800 simply don't have the same reliability or produce the same 0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:21.840 amount of base load power, and so now do New Jersey. 0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:23.920 A lot of other states have found themselves in an 0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:27.240 energy crisis and are scrambling to meet the growing demand. 0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:30.279 Ray if you travel through well the central part of 0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:32.560 the state where you are, but up north a little bit, 0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:36.919 or to drive Indianapolis to Chicago, you see a ton 0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:40.279 of wind farms, a lot of turbines out there. But 0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:43.640 as good as that, as fine as this, how much 0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:46.080 of energy productions? That represent what percent? 0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:48.040 I thought them? 0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:50.359 Five percent? In the state of Ohio. Look, we get 0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:54.839 most of our stuff from natural gas. Historically, Ohio has 0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:58.640 been a coal heavy steak. Coal produced the majority of 0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:02.719 Ohio's electricity into the last ten years, when natural gas, 0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:05.760 you know, you being able to tap into the shell crescent, 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:08.719 has taken the place. So we get most of our 0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:12.760 energy from natural gas, coal, nuclear, and then it falls 0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:15.720 down the solar and winds. And again, you know that's 0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:18.160 true for a lot of states, particularly on those of 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:20.600 US east of the Mississippi. You know, we get a 0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:23.960 lot from natural gas nuclear And what we're seeing right 0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:27.080 now again is, you know, because of the spike, people 0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:31.359 are scrambling to get power online. You know, a Microsoft, 0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:34.480 for example, has investing hundreds of millions of dollars three 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:38.839 open three Mile Island nuclear power plant. That tells you 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:41.800 what businesses are looking at when they see the demand 0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:44.839 for future energy production and what they need to do. 0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:48.800 And really what needs to happen is Washington needs to say, Okay, 0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:53.400 why are we not seeing power plants come online? We 0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:57.399 see prices are increasing. You open up your electricity bill, 0:40:57.880 --> 0:40:59.640 you know, you know when it's time to rebid, you're 0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:02.960 going to be higher electricity prices. So why aren't we 0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:06.720 seeing more production being built? And part of it comes 0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:09.640 back to those regulatory barriers, you know, the blocks that 0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:14.040 are at the local level, state level, federal level lawsuits 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:18.600 for environmental review those have all created a massive chp 0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:21.920 point that means that we're really facing a deficit and 0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:25.600 electricity production that is choking out the growing economy. 0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:29.319 I mean you mentioned the environmental reviews. How much has 0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:30.960 that bogged the process down? 0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:33.759 Well, you know, you take a look at the so 0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:37.840 many album and what you're seeing is NI the environmental 0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:40.239 review that, by the way, people on both the left 0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:42.840 and right a saying, hey, this is not meant to 0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:45.560 be a weapon to slow things down. We've seen that 0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:49.160 being able to slow those productions down for years. That's 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:52.280 the National Environmental Policy Act about four and a half 0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:56.360 years slowing down from the review connections. And so you 0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:59.440 know what happens, Scott is the way regulations work is 0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:00.560 they move into sequence. 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:00.759 Right. 0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:03.560 It's kind of like almost a train, right, you know, 0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:06.000 one car starts moving, the next car, the next car, 0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:08.279 the next car. So if you take you know, a 0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:11.840 year at the local level, a year at the state level, 0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:14.320 a year at the federal level, you're taking four and 0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:17.319 a half years or some environmental reviews. You know, you 0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:20.400 could sit there and be taking you six plus years 0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:23.560 for some big power plants to be built. And we've 0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:26.120 seen action take at the state level, you know, with 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:30.040 Housepool fifteen, Ohio is saying, look, we need to speed 0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:33.120 this up. We need to make sure that regulators have 0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:36.080 only a certain amount of time to review so they 0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:39.480 can't de ladies in those projects. And we'd like to 0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:41.600 see the same thing done at the federal level, because 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:43.600 I mean, at least we can still build things here 0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:48.319 in Ohio. Other states that have more state regulations, like 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:53.160 California New Jersey, for example, they can't build anything because 0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:58.439 people were able to block production using these rules, using lawsuits, 0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:01.320 which means electricity rices are going to remain high. 0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:04.480 Makes sense. Ray Hederman's here Buckeye Institute working with the 0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:07.360 US Department of Energy and Solutions to fast track improving 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:11.359 our infrastructure and power supply because we are near at 0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:13.799 peak demand and you know, with the winter months here too, 0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:17.080 we also have data centers and the light going online. 0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:19.080 The demand for electricity is greater than ever, and yet 0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:22.640 the infrastructure is way behind. We've often talked about brownouts 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:24.960 and blackouts that have happened at West and those it's 0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:27.279 and it's you know, I don't know how close we are, 0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:30.160 but they say, certainly the Midwest Ray is very vulnerable 0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:32.720 to this because of those data centers are going online 0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:34.960 at record numbers. These are like small towns, and I 0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:37.960 think most people don't understand just how much energy one 0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:39.280 of these data centers requires. 0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:43.560 Yeah, absolutely, you know. It's basically you sit there and say, look, 0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:47.040 you know one of these data centers can consume more 0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:51.279 energy than the Manhattan right in New York City, and 0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:54.000 so that just kind of called everybody by surprise, and 0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:56.520 so they're saying what can be done. Well, you know, 0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:59.520 one of the things that we again that Houspill fifteen 0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:01.360 did that I'm a big fan of, is what we 0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:04.640 call behind the meter and what that means is if 0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:07.480 you're building a data center, you can actually build your 0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:10.880 own power plants, you know, to directly power your business. 0:44:11.000 --> 0:44:15.319 You can fast track that through the regulatory process and 0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:17.960 be able to power your own business. And that's kind 0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:20.759 of what we want to see the market working. We've 0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:25.239 seen some of those basically power plants be approved. One 0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:29.360 was approved just before Thanksgiving. I think those type of 0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:33.560 solutions right where businesses working together, maybe they're going to 0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:37.560 share a power plant with another business, those are the 0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:39.640 type of solutions that are going to get us out 0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:43.200 of this crisis and help us move ahead because relying 0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:45.920 on the way we've been doing things simply doesn't work. Scott, 0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:48.880 to give you an idea, just very quickly, there are 0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:53.880 one hundred and ninety seven thousands power requests to PGM 0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:57.480 Ohio's grid. One hundred and ninety seven thousand by somebody 0:44:57.480 --> 0:45:00.279 who wants to generate power to connect to the PGM RIP. 0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:04.880 The PKAM simply doesn't have enough personnel to get through them. 0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:07.440 And part of the problem is, you know, these are 0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:12.560 everything from five megawatts solar and whim smaller production plants, 0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:15.920 but that takes the same amount of power has a 0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:20.040 two hundred and fifty megawatt natural gas plant. So you know, 0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:22.600 we have a lot of requests that are going online. 0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:25.759 People are gaining the system, flogging it up, and so 0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:29.880 we just need a way to cut through prioritize better 0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:34.200 which power plants are going to deliver reliable energy, to 0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:37.560 keep prices load for consumers, to keep light time for businesses. 0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:39.839 Yeah, and that makes a lot of sense if you've 0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:41.960 private interests. Hey, you know what, we'll build our own 0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:44.239 infrastructure here. The hell with you guys. What kind of 0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:46.640 power plants are seeing going online? 0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:50.200 Yeah? Sure, so right now, we've seen a lot of 0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:54.080 natural gas here in Ohio work and moving forward on that, 0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:57.880 you've also seen some renewable behind the meter as well. 0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:00.120 You know, I mean people sometimes will drive by you 0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:04.360 might see a big windmill at a car dealership, for example. 0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:07.840 You know, trying to produce power on site to deliver 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:12.040 to those businesses. Other states are starting to see experiments 0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:15.920 with a small nuclear power plants again. You know, I 0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:20.640 mentioned Microsoft, for example, investing in reopening Three Mile Island 0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:24.440 for the benefit of Microsoft by themselves. Other companies are 0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:28.640 also contracting to build a smaller nuclear power plants, using hydro, 0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:34.200 using geothermal energy. You know, there's a lot of ways 0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:37.960 to be able to get electricity in businesses or reacting 0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:40.040 the way you'd expect them to do. What makes the 0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:43.880 most sense, what's most cost competitive, and where my business 0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:47.960 is located. And so that's what the beauty of what 0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:50.879 we see kind of free enterprise working out is coming 0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:54.200 up with solutions and trying not to burden rate payers. 0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:55.960 You know, that's what we want to make sure is 0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:59.800 that we have affordable energy and businesses aren't taking advantage 0:46:59.800 --> 0:47:03.040 of payers and hopefully not you know, seeking out special 0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:06.440 tax breaks. It would be great to roll back some tax 0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:10.800 incentives handout to big industry, big utilities, big tech along 0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:13.840 the way to make sure taxes are low, energy prices 0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:14.680 are kept affordable. 0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:17.160 Yeah, no, Ray, it makes a lot of sense. And 0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:20.239 I'm a big proponent of these small nuclear plants, and 0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:22.560 I think, you know, once again, it's a great example 0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:25.359 of how private industry will lead the way and solve 0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:27.400 the problems that government can't. For those who believe in 0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:29.600 government solving all problems, well there you go. There they're 0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:32.120 actually standing in the way. Are there going to be 0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:35.640 some trials, tribulations, heartbreaks, accidents, etcetera. Sure that there always 0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:38.680 is when it comes to technology, sadly, but that's part 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:41.520 of the learning and growing experience as long as those 0:47:41.560 --> 0:47:45.480 responsible are held to a standard. That said, though, I 0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:48.799 think this is the advent of new power generation, and 0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:51.120 I think about you know, some of the like Microsoft 0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:54.399 at reopening through Mile Island, or smaller like suitcase type 0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:58.960 of nuke facilities or machines that produce enough energy to 0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:02.520 fire a plant. But it also has hoped to typical Americans. 0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:04.880 I mean, imagine the day where and I don't know 0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:07.239 if it will be in our lifetime, but imagine that 0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:09.200 the technology gets so good you just buy one of 0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:12.200 these power units on Amazon, they ship it to you, 0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:14.800 You PLoP it in like a battery, and it lasts 0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:16.880 probably longer than you're alive, and then you know, it 0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:18.759 goes back to the recycling center and what they do 0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:21.840 with they spent Phil Rodds is yet to be determined, 0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:27.359 but nonetheless it seems like neighborhoods Hoa's small towns will 0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:29.680 have their own many nuclear plant to power, or we 0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:32.360 may just have one in our own house in fifty years. 0:48:33.520 --> 0:48:35.919 Yeah, you know, Scott, that's exactly right. I mean you're 0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:39.600 looking at the space talking to people involved in these businesses, 0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:43.839 both from producers and high energy consumers. There's a lot 0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:48.919 of innovation that's going on through private enterprise people saying, hey, 0:48:48.960 --> 0:48:53.000 you know what, let's try to use geothermal right out 0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:57.200 west where it makes her sense. You know, given the 0:48:57.239 --> 0:49:00.680 geology out there. You know they're actually experimenting rolling down 0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:02.680 to the Earth's cross being able to tie up out 0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:06.480 some of that geothermal energy. That's a great solution for 0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:10.200 some of those companies, you know, small neuclear reactors. You 0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:15.880 are seeing more businesses pulling together and basically forming micro grids, 0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:18.680 you know, behind the meter. That a way to say, hey, 0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:21.359 let's go on our own power sources so we don't 0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:23.719 have to wait a couple of years to go through 0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:27.799 the PJA on regulations. That's the type of innovation I 0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:30.080 think that has really made this country great. That's why 0:49:30.120 --> 0:49:33.400 I'm really optimistic about the future, because we know what 0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:36.840 the need is, we know the demands there, businesses know 0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:39.160 what they need to do to power themselves, and we 0:49:39.320 --> 0:49:43.120 have a solution for the future. You know, we can 0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:47.279 sit there, work together, innovate, development these things, and really 0:49:47.360 --> 0:49:50.600 keep America moving forward. And I look at the opposite 0:49:50.680 --> 0:49:53.000 end of the spectrum right again. I looked to Europe 0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:55.399 where a few years ago, you know, they came out 0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:58.760 and said, we can't compete with the United States because 0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:03.120 our electricity prices so unaffordable. You know, German manufacturing has 0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:06.759 fallen off a clock because electricity is so important to 0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:11.360 the manufacturing sector. Europe made terrible policy choices by trying 0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:15.600 to regulate this market. I am thankful that here in Ohio, 0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:19.839 you know, we're making different choices, moving to remove regulations 0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:24.200 on businesses, to encourage innovation, to encourage investment, to try 0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:27.760 to boost energy so to keep prices lower. 0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:30.719 Well, but in Ohio even will the bureaucracy and will 0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:33.520 the status quo machine keep this from moving forward? 0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:38.440 I you know, Scott, I'm optimistic, I think because we're 0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:41.400 already seeing this working again. You know, we've seen a 0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:45.919 couple of billion dollars behind the meter projects already move forward, right, 0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:49.480 So these private businesses are putting their money where their 0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:52.000 hopes are. That's what I'm looking at. 0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:52.520 Again. 0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:56.160 The Public Utilities Commission of Ohio is approving some of 0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:58.560 these projects are all going to be private behind the 0:50:58.600 --> 0:51:01.280 meter to power some of the data centers, the powers 0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:04.880 from these manufacturing plants. I think Ohio is building a 0:51:05.000 --> 0:51:09.960 model that should be emulated copied by other states. You know, 0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:12.720 we're able to take advantage of it, and if federal 0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:17.040 regulators can move faster, that'll be better for us as well. 0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:20.080 But HB fifteen, I think is a really good piece 0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:23.160 of legislation that is encouraging a lot of private enterprise. 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:27.160 And again, you know, reading from the news reports, reading 0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:30.799 the filings before the Public Utilities Commission, there's billions of 0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:34.440 dollars of private investment that's taking place right now thanks 0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:37.960 to HP fifteen, allowing businesses to power up more quickly. 0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:40.200 All right. He's ray headed been to the Buckeye Institute 0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:42.640 working with the Department of Energy on solutions to solve 0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:46.080 our power crisis. And it's looming. It really is. Imagine 0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:48.600 a day, like, for example, Class of twenty twenty five, Ray, 0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:53.279 you show them a picture of a flat circular thing 0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:55.319 with a hole in the middle. It's kind of translucent, 0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:57.160 and they don't know what that. It's called a compact 0:51:57.160 --> 0:51:59.680 disc Imagine Class of twenty one twenty five when you 0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:01.719 show them the picture of a utility poll with all 0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:03.920 those wires out, and they go, what the hell is that? 0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:07.360 Hopefully that, hopefully that's what the future is here in 0:52:07.400 --> 0:52:09.080 the Buckeye day all the best, buddy, Thanks. 0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:11.360 Again, Thanks a lot, Scott, always a pleasure. 0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:13.160 We have a little more weather moving in. We'll find 0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:14.880 out which way it's going to break. Although it's a 0:52:14.920 --> 0:52:17.360 little early, could be snow, could just be wet and melty. 0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:21.239 Hopefully it's the latter. Sanjay is next, Doctor Sanjay Shavacrimani, 0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:23.799 our health, food and fitness guy, the medical truth that 0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:27.319 you need to know about testosterone. Do you need more? 0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:30.160 Do you need less? Do you need supplement? What do 0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:34.080 you need? We'll figure it out together. Next. Scottsland continues 0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:35.880 afternoons on seven hundred WW two. 0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:38.080 Scott won't show back on. 0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:41.319 Seven hundred when everything is saying, at this time we 0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:44.080 have our buddy on doctor shav Cremani, who is an 0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:47.279 eer physician at Dinewell Dock. It's where health, food and 0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:50.120 fitness all come together. And now more than ever, we 0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:53.760 need questions answered in a very scientific, empirical way, because 0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:56.120 no one's more of a scientist than Sanja. You are 0:52:56.560 --> 0:52:57.920 come off as as scient that's me. 0:52:58.040 --> 0:53:01.680 I just left my microscope and cells to join the show, 0:53:01.719 --> 0:53:02.200 and I'll get. 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.080 Right back to it, right right. Solls like he's got 0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:06.200 Petri dishes in his pockets. I don't know what's going 0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:09.319 on here, all right? So today this is interesting because 0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:12.680 you hear a lot about the testosterone replacement testosterone therapy 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:15.480 for men, especially as you get over forty. You know, 0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:17.160 we've all seen the ads or heard the ads, as 0:53:17.160 --> 0:53:19.879 the case may be, and it's kind of like, well, 0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:21.920 people are like do I really need it? And you know, 0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:24.680 the more you hear something like the ads on TV 0:53:24.840 --> 0:53:27.239 for these medicines and drugs that we don't know what 0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:31.000 they do, but there's they seem very happy dancing around 0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:33.680 some farmer's market and singing about whatever it is that 0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:36.000 they're doing. And then you hear like, well if my 0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:37.600 favorite thing with those ads by the way and you 0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:39.719 know me, I've got off on the tangent. Always go, well, 0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:42.080 don't take it if you're allergic to this drug? How 0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:44.520 the hell? This is the most wife thing. Ever, how 0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:47.200 do I know I'm allergic to the drug unless I 0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:49.359 take the drug? Can you answer that question? 0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:51.520 Yeah, it's more of like a good luck out there. 0:53:52.320 --> 0:53:54.920 We have to say this because we do. But that's 0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:56.640 about it. We'll take it if you don't like it. 0:53:56.960 --> 0:53:58.759 What how what am I goingning? Well, that's on you, 0:53:58.840 --> 0:54:02.440 that's not on us the waiver, but in that regard 0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:04.080 to you here and you go, man, maybe I do 0:54:04.200 --> 0:54:06.640 need that? I do I know? Do I have no test? Joshture? 0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:06.960 Do I have? 0:54:07.680 --> 0:54:10.000 You know? I am tired, and I am sometimes I'm 0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:12.520 thirsty and I get hungry like three times a day. 0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:14.920 Maybe I do have this? Well everybody does. So how 0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:15.759 do I know if I need it? 0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:18.480 Yeah, that's it's a great question because it is out there, 0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:21.680 and I feel like the ads are definitely increasing, or 0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:24.560 if not, sure have increased, and so it's hard to 0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:26.880 kind of work through. I'll tell you that when things 0:54:26.920 --> 0:54:29.759 started coming out, I was like, no, like this is 0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:34.240 this a scam? And then actually in the emergency department. 0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:37.120 I saw a few young men with blood clots in 0:54:37.160 --> 0:54:40.719 their legs and lungs, and their only risk factor, I 0:54:40.719 --> 0:54:43.279 mean they were in their thirties and twenties. Their only 0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:48.080 risk factor was being on recent testosterone supplementation, and so 0:54:48.160 --> 0:54:50.359 I got scared about it. It's almost like the GLP ones, 0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:53.360 you know, like when the first changes started coming and 0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:57.360 the initial dosing was happening and people were still figuring 0:54:57.360 --> 0:54:59.640 it out. I saw a lot of a lot of 0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:02.040 patients with g I upset with g LP ones, but 0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:04.480 we figured it out more and now it's unacceptable and 0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:09.279 testosterone's kind of gone the same way. So is it helpful? Yes, 0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:14.120 asterisk because that asterisk is for certain. 0:55:13.840 --> 0:55:16.920 People, Okay, and that's good. And you know again, that 0:55:17.000 --> 0:55:18.279 is why I'm never the first one. I don't care 0:55:18.280 --> 0:55:20.800 if it's a movie, I don't care what I new iPhone. 0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:22.560 I'm not first in line to buy because there's always 0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:24.719 a problem. Yeah I'm good. I don't need to be Oh, 0:55:24.760 --> 0:55:26.399 look what I got the brand new It's like, yeah, 0:55:26.400 --> 0:55:28.560 I'm not that guy, because I want you to buy 0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:31.920 it and then go wow, this sucks. And then and 0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:33.360 then a couple of months, I buy the one the 0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:34.040 way they fix it. 0:55:34.200 --> 0:55:37.440 Yeah, someone else should volunteer his tribute. Correct, I'm not 0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:39.120 doing that. We need those people in the where to go, 0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:41.120 you go first. Yeah, we appreciate this people. 0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:43.919 Yeah, I'm that way for volunteering wars any of the stuff. Yeah, 0:55:43.920 --> 0:55:45.520 I'll be right behind you all the way. I'm the 0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:48.520 back of class kind of guy. All right, So you 0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:50.399 hear that and go well. And the other thing, it's 0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:52.920 that replacement, right, So naturally your body as you get 0:55:52.920 --> 0:55:56.360 over men, you see a decline in testosterone. That's perfectly natural. 0:55:56.840 --> 0:55:59.480 If that's nature's way, God's way, if you will, why 0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:01.000 do we need a why do we need to bring 0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:01.879 those levels back up? 0:56:01.960 --> 0:56:05.640 So and that's a great question because what happens is 0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:08.919 that the testosterone levels do drop, and it's about one 0:56:08.960 --> 0:56:11.799 percent every year, so it's not a lot, but it's 0:56:11.960 --> 0:56:17.160 enough for testosterone replacement companies to kind of market you 0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:20.840 know your Yes, your testosterone does decrease. And in fact, 0:56:20.960 --> 0:56:24.120 about forty five so almost half of men over the 0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:29.719 age of forty will have technically low testosterone levels. The 0:56:29.800 --> 0:56:32.600 thing is is that only five to six percent of 0:56:32.760 --> 0:56:35.719 men actually have symptoms with that got it, and those 0:56:35.760 --> 0:56:38.120 are the ones that should be you know, having the 0:56:38.200 --> 0:56:41.359 replacement right. And so while it's marketed and you can 0:56:41.400 --> 0:56:43.160 just look at a number and say, oh my gosh, 0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:46.799 I need this supplementation, I need this replacement, it is 0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:50.560 definitely not for everybody, and that's not what the current 0:56:51.000 --> 0:56:54.600 guidelines say. Not everyone needs it. Even if your numbers 0:56:54.600 --> 0:56:58.879 are low, you need numbers and symptoms to require. 0:56:58.600 --> 0:57:02.000 Supplements, and the symptoms are again, so a lot of it. 0:57:01.840 --> 0:57:03.920 Has to do. I mean, we think testosterone, we think, 0:57:04.760 --> 0:57:07.040 you know, do you have a libido? But also just 0:57:07.160 --> 0:57:12.000 general energy, how well your brain is working, so mental clarity. 0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:14.080 And then we get to the body structure. So what 0:57:14.120 --> 0:57:17.200 does testosterone do well, It builds muscle and burns fat, 0:57:18.160 --> 0:57:22.080 and it builds bone and so weak bones, a lot 0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:25.600 more visceral fats the one around your gut and then 0:57:27.040 --> 0:57:30.000 less protein so I mean sorry, less muscle. So if 0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:33.000 you're experiencing that in the setting of low numbers, then 0:57:33.040 --> 0:57:36.440 those are reasons to potentially seek out, you know, replacement. 0:57:36.560 --> 0:57:39.160 Do you see that change even as you get older 0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:41.720 to them mean, there's probably more gains if you're closer 0:57:41.760 --> 0:57:43.560 to forty, but if you're closer to sixty. 0:57:44.080 --> 0:57:48.240 Yes, over time, we know that fat goes up, muscle 0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:50.680 goes down. There are things we can do about it. 0:57:50.720 --> 0:57:53.240 And it's not purely testosterone that drives that. You know, 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:54.840 there are a lot of other hormones that are in 0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:58.960 balance that will control those things, testosterone being a main 0:57:59.000 --> 0:57:59.400 one of them. 0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:03.120 Yeah, okay, Sanjay. The other element of this too is okay, 0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:05.040 can I can I do too much? I mean, if 0:58:05.040 --> 0:58:07.600 my test testosterone levels are within the normal range and 0:58:07.640 --> 0:58:09.480 I go, well, I'm gonna do it anyway, what's the danger? 0:58:09.640 --> 0:58:12.800 Yeah, So the main thing that we've considered is that 0:58:13.000 --> 0:58:16.680 it increases your blood count. So testosterone increases the number 0:58:16.720 --> 0:58:19.440 of red cells in your blood. So if you imagine, uh, 0:58:19.760 --> 0:58:22.160 you know, your blood flowing through your body, if you 0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:24.880 have more crud in it, you know, the red blood cells, 0:58:25.240 --> 0:58:27.920 it may go slower and it can actually form blood 0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:30.120 clots because things are moving slower. It's kind of like 0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:33.800 dunking up your pipes. I know, you know home improvement 0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:34.320 better than I do. 0:58:34.440 --> 0:58:36.320 My pipes are gunky already, I'm ready to add to that. 0:58:36.680 --> 0:58:39.120 So well, it'll increase your red blood cell count, which 0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:43.040 of course up coagulation and that you wind up bas 0:58:43.120 --> 0:58:44.920 essentially strokes and things like that. 0:58:45.040 --> 0:58:47.240 Right, Yeah, you get more sludgy blood, which makes the 0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:50.600 concern for strokes and heart attacks. So in the literature 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:54.320 it had been shown again asterisk, it had been shown 0:58:54.320 --> 0:58:56.360 that there were increased risks of heart attacks and men 0:58:56.800 --> 0:58:59.680 on testosterone. In twenty twenty five, there was a better 0:58:59.720 --> 0:59:04.040 study done that said that risk does not seem to 0:59:04.080 --> 0:59:10.160 be there for appropriate patients. So again, man over forty 0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:13.880 with low levels and symptoms, if your levels are less 0:59:13.880 --> 0:59:17.400 than three hundred, by all means, do the testosterone therapy 0:59:17.440 --> 0:59:19.520 and you should not face a higher. 0:59:19.440 --> 0:59:22.040 Risk of cart attack. And I saw and not to 0:59:22.040 --> 0:59:24.680 bring this thing down, but it was a story. Yester, 0:59:24.800 --> 0:59:28.640 jeffy Epstein had like super low, like fifteen normals three 0:59:28.680 --> 0:59:31.400 hundred fifteen. So that's someone who's it's indicated. 0:59:31.480 --> 0:59:33.240 Yeah, maybe do a little case study on that. 0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:36.400 Yeah, right, exactly, I mean, who knows what's driving him. 0:59:36.400 --> 0:59:38.400 I was about to say, never heard of the guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:41.640 that guy. But good it's but you hear that. Okay, 0:59:41.640 --> 0:59:43.960 that's clearly but how many how many people is that really? 0:59:44.000 --> 0:59:46.160 I mean you said three percent of the population. 0:59:45.840 --> 0:59:48.480 About five to six percent of people that have low 0:59:48.560 --> 0:59:51.800 numbers and have symptoms, and so yeah, there's a good 0:59:51.840 --> 0:59:54.280 chance he had that and maybe he required the supplementation. 0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:57.640 The interesting thing about numbers as as a slight aside 0:59:57.760 --> 1:00:00.400 is you want that number to be checked between seven 1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:03.360 and ten AM, so early morning time. So if you 1:00:03.400 --> 1:00:05.720 go into clinic and you know at six pm your 1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:08.880 testosterol levels are are low, they're kind of at the 1:00:08.920 --> 1:00:10.800 lower point of the day. And so if you get 1:00:10.800 --> 1:00:13.560 it measured and someone says, oh, look, your testosterone levels 1:00:13.560 --> 1:00:17.120 are low, be careful about that. Ok have your levels 1:00:17.200 --> 1:00:18.760 checked in the morning. Why is this has to be 1:00:18.840 --> 1:00:21.640 checked twice? It's the highest then, and so you can 1:00:21.640 --> 1:00:24.640 get a falsely low result if you get it checked 1:00:24.640 --> 1:00:25.439 at next other time. 1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:29.080 Okay, got a doctor Sanjay shavkromised doc er doc. And 1:00:29.240 --> 1:00:31.320 also we talk about health and food and fitness on 1:00:31.320 --> 1:00:36.240 Thursday March with this do you need testosterone supplementation? And 1:00:36.480 --> 1:00:38.280 now you know these are just the facts too, So 1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:40.840 do with the information with you will, because if you're 1:00:40.840 --> 1:00:42.840 wondering about it, go ah, you know here, maybe I 1:00:42.880 --> 1:00:44.160 need this because I could lose some wight. I mean 1:00:44.160 --> 1:00:46.160 it sounds great, right, I lose waight loose fat, put 1:00:46.160 --> 1:00:48.600 on muscle, bone densited helps with that. I'm alert. It's like, yes, 1:00:49.000 --> 1:00:52.480 it's a miracle drug. It's a miracle drug. It's a drug. 1:00:52.840 --> 1:00:55.240 It's being sold as that, you know, and that's what 1:00:55.280 --> 1:00:58.760 the commercials are about. And the low tee thing is real, 1:00:59.560 --> 1:01:03.680 but for less men than is kind of suggested, and 1:01:03.760 --> 1:01:05.560 so we do have to be careful with that, but 1:01:05.640 --> 1:01:09.920 there are appropriate patients for that. However, the availability of 1:01:09.960 --> 1:01:13.560 the testosterone replacement is a lot and so you know 1:01:13.600 --> 1:01:17.480 they're online brands, they're in person. But most important is 1:01:17.760 --> 1:01:20.760 having accurate checks. So make sure the places are checking 1:01:20.760 --> 1:01:23.800 your blood work and then checking it frequently afterwards to 1:01:23.840 --> 1:01:26.320 make sure your blood count isn't going too high and 1:01:26.360 --> 1:01:29.560 not over shooting. So again, low testosterone is less than 1:01:29.600 --> 1:01:32.200 three hundred, what you're shooting for is four hundred to 1:01:32.240 --> 1:01:35.600 seven hundred if you're on replacement. If places are suggesting 1:01:35.600 --> 1:01:39.120 you should be at nine hundred to twelve hundred, be careful, okay, 1:01:39.520 --> 1:01:41.600 and those are the ones that might be over selling you. 1:01:41.680 --> 1:01:41.960 All right. 1:01:42.000 --> 1:01:46.080 You mentioned about cardiovascular risk too and still being studied, 1:01:46.080 --> 1:01:49.560 but there's concerning data out there. My concern when I 1:01:49.560 --> 1:01:51.800 first came out. This is years ago. I said, Man, 1:01:51.800 --> 1:01:54.640 are's reason your body starts producing less testosterone over the years, 1:01:55.040 --> 1:01:56.360 A tablet with a whole bunch of things. But I 1:01:56.400 --> 1:02:00.560 also think could I develop cancer because the test as 1:02:00.720 --> 1:02:03.240 I mean, things are growing, But cancers would be fed 1:02:03.320 --> 1:02:05.280 by that too, correct, that's a concern. 1:02:05.480 --> 1:02:08.960 Yeah, So the main one is not necessarily developing cancer. 1:02:09.000 --> 1:02:11.360 But if you're at risk for prostate cancer or have 1:02:11.480 --> 1:02:13.760 prostate cancer, that's the main one we think about. And 1:02:13.840 --> 1:02:16.680 so that's the that's the one. If you have any 1:02:16.720 --> 1:02:19.840 concerns of a rising p s A level in your blood, 1:02:20.800 --> 1:02:24.000 or there's been suggestion that you do have early prostate cancer, 1:02:24.040 --> 1:02:27.480 you want to probably not take testosterone supplementation. 1:02:27.560 --> 1:02:30.080 Okay, I heard this makes sleep apnel worse, etc. That 1:02:30.200 --> 1:02:30.680 is true. 1:02:31.040 --> 1:02:34.200 And the the interesting part about that is that better 1:02:34.280 --> 1:02:39.920 sleep raises your testosterone naturally, and so yeah, it's testosterone 1:02:39.960 --> 1:02:43.600 does make sleep apnea worse, which is a kind of 1:02:43.600 --> 1:02:44.520 feedback in itself. 1:02:45.800 --> 1:02:46.000 Yeah. 1:02:46.080 --> 1:02:49.800 Right, it's like getting worse because that just makes that grow. 1:02:49.920 --> 1:02:50.160 Is that. 1:02:52.920 --> 1:02:53.880 Fascinating that it does? 1:02:54.000 --> 1:02:57.200 It does suggest that, Yeah, but there are other things, 1:02:57.200 --> 1:03:00.240 you know, speaking of better sleep, there's the thing to 1:03:00.320 --> 1:03:02.640 drive your own testosterone because you know, if you have 1:03:02.680 --> 1:03:05.840 a low testosteron, say in the two hundreds to three hundreds, 1:03:06.120 --> 1:03:08.920 there are things you can do naturally to increase it 1:03:08.920 --> 1:03:14.360 that don't necessarily require supplementation or replacement. Stuff like strength training, 1:03:15.520 --> 1:03:20.240 better sleep, less stress, losing weight, all of those things 1:03:20.280 --> 1:03:23.120 that we've talked about on this show, all the things 1:03:23.160 --> 1:03:25.280 that hard stuff, your general stuff, the hard stuff. 1:03:25.280 --> 1:03:26.880 But I can just take a shot. I don't have 1:03:26.920 --> 1:03:27.400 to do that. 1:03:27.480 --> 1:03:31.880 Come on, man, staying silent on that one testosterone eat. 1:03:31.960 --> 1:03:34.439 I could eat four pizzas a day if I wanted to. Yeah, 1:03:34.440 --> 1:03:38.080 I mean, you know it is. It is tempting, It 1:03:38.160 --> 1:03:40.480 totally is. But you know you're on a GLP one, 1:03:40.520 --> 1:03:42.480 You're probably gonna be thinking about one bite of pizza. 1:03:42.520 --> 1:03:46.160 But yeah, the same thing goes for testosterone. So you know, 1:03:46.360 --> 1:03:50.040 make sure that your lifestyle you've made the lifestyle changes 1:03:50.080 --> 1:03:52.880 that you need to as well. Again, strength training is 1:03:52.880 --> 1:03:55.040 one of the best things for this. You can increase 1:03:55.040 --> 1:03:59.200 your testosterone naturally that way. Even excess alcohol will make 1:03:59.280 --> 1:04:03.800 you your test asterone lower, So decreasing your alcohol intake, losing 1:04:03.880 --> 1:04:06.160 your visceral fats, and doing what you can to lose 1:04:06.200 --> 1:04:10.480 weight and whatever way it can, because fat actually changes 1:04:10.520 --> 1:04:14.400 it converts testosterone to estrogen, and so you you decrease 1:04:14.440 --> 1:04:18.360 your testosteron stores that way, and so losing. 1:04:18.040 --> 1:04:22.280 Fat can be a big benefit. Man boobs moves Yep, right, mops, 1:04:22.280 --> 1:04:25.240 I got it. I also here, you know there's a well, 1:04:25.320 --> 1:04:27.080 this is an over the counter supplement. You know, the 1:04:27.080 --> 1:04:29.760 supplement industry is huge and it's not regulated, and so 1:04:29.840 --> 1:04:32.280 you can sell whatever you want and pill form bottle forms. 1:04:32.360 --> 1:04:33.840 Take this and you'll be you know, I feel like 1:04:33.880 --> 1:04:36.960 you're ten years old again. And what about that stuff? 1:04:36.960 --> 1:04:40.080 Does it? You don't need proprietary supplements like that. But 1:04:40.120 --> 1:04:42.720 are are there otcs or vitamins you should be taking 1:04:42.760 --> 1:04:44.800 to help you maximize your testosterone? 1:04:44.960 --> 1:04:45.160 Yeah? 1:04:45.200 --> 1:04:48.720 So the supplements is it's a murky area, mainly because 1:04:48.720 --> 1:04:51.680 it's not well regulated. Do some of those work? Yes, 1:04:51.720 --> 1:04:53.760 but studies have shown that it's about a quarter of 1:04:53.800 --> 1:04:57.160 them that will raise your testosterone. And I don't know 1:04:57.200 --> 1:05:00.360 which ones those are because I usually stay away from 1:05:00.480 --> 1:05:03.120 those in general, but ten percent of them have actually 1:05:03.200 --> 1:05:05.880 been shown to decrease your testosterone. So be very careful 1:05:05.920 --> 1:05:08.280 if you're trying to do that stuff as your only 1:05:08.360 --> 1:05:12.240 way you mentioned you know other supplements. Yeah, you know, 1:05:12.440 --> 1:05:16.800 vitamin D, zinc, magnesium, those are all good things to 1:05:16.880 --> 1:05:19.400 have in your body. Not certainly not to overdose on, 1:05:19.520 --> 1:05:22.160 but just make sure you're having good nutrition and you know, 1:05:22.200 --> 1:05:25.120 supplementing those as needed and you're in a better place. 1:05:25.200 --> 1:05:27.480 Yeah. We we were talking before we started here, Sanjay 1:05:27.520 --> 1:05:30.360 about vitamin D and you know, I've been on that forever. 1:05:30.440 --> 1:05:33.000 You said, you know, you're taking five thousand a day, 1:05:33.040 --> 1:05:35.120 and it's just the more we learn about vitamin D, 1:05:35.200 --> 1:05:38.120 it's really a critical, critical supplement. 1:05:38.240 --> 1:05:40.600 Yeah, and you know, we talk about vitamin D being 1:05:40.640 --> 1:05:43.040 a vitamin, but it's it's thought more to be a hormone. 1:05:43.080 --> 1:05:46.120 So it is a messenger in our body that works 1:05:46.120 --> 1:05:49.080 in a ton of organs and works very much like 1:05:49.360 --> 1:05:52.160 you know, not exactly like testosterone, but it's a hormone 1:05:52.240 --> 1:05:55.480 like like testosterone and estrogen and all those others in 1:05:55.560 --> 1:05:57.720 the way it functions in the way our body really 1:05:57.760 --> 1:06:01.040 needs it. Which also reminds me there's there's one other 1:06:01.120 --> 1:06:06.640 risk of of I mean sorry, testosterone replacement, which is 1:06:06.720 --> 1:06:10.320 decreasing fertility. Now, so that that kind of goes backwards, right, 1:06:10.520 --> 1:06:14.080 So your libido's high, but your fertility is low with 1:06:14.160 --> 1:06:18.040 more testosterone, and so if you're being if you're having supplementation, 1:06:18.640 --> 1:06:22.080 your counts or your overall fertility will go down, but 1:06:22.280 --> 1:06:26.520 usually off almost always. That is a reversible thing, so 1:06:26.560 --> 1:06:29.040 your fertility will come back. But if you're trying to 1:06:29.200 --> 1:06:31.720 you know, if you're trying to start a family, testosterone 1:06:31.720 --> 1:06:33.200 replacement may not be the right thing for you. 1:06:33.360 --> 1:06:35.320 But most guys you're trying to avoid family. So this 1:06:35.400 --> 1:06:38.720 is like another reason to take male birth control exactly. 1:06:38.960 --> 1:06:45.600 Like wait, it does time in there's a spike of tests. 1:06:45.880 --> 1:06:48.320 Don't tell your significant I'll tell your wife. It's like, 1:06:48.400 --> 1:06:49.920 I don't know what's going on. We just kind of 1:06:50.000 --> 1:06:50.480 keep trying. 1:06:50.640 --> 1:06:53.280 Yeah, that's and by the way, can you give me 1:06:53.320 --> 1:06:54.280 this injection real quick? 1:06:54.360 --> 1:06:54.520 Hey? 1:06:54.600 --> 1:06:56.640 Yeah, how many times a week? Is that once a week? 1:06:56.720 --> 1:06:59.360 So for injections, typically it's once a week. They also 1:06:59.400 --> 1:07:02.240 have topical And if you're wondering where that goes, it 1:07:02.320 --> 1:07:04.720 is not where you just imagined. It is usually in 1:07:04.800 --> 1:07:07.480 the arms. You don't want to put testosterone where the 1:07:07.480 --> 1:07:10.560 testosterone is created. I see, yes, you think it's faster 1:07:10.680 --> 1:07:13.560 that way, right, I might imagine, But now it's usually 1:07:13.560 --> 1:07:15.600 in the arms and that's a daily thing. And I 1:07:15.680 --> 1:07:18.600 think they just released an oral formulation of this stuff 1:07:18.600 --> 1:07:19.760 which would be daily as well. 1:07:19.960 --> 1:07:22.840 The efficacy had it made it for the injectible is 1:07:22.880 --> 1:07:25.800 better than the oral for the topical. Yeah, yeah, exlightly 1:07:26.080 --> 1:07:28.320 usually okay, So but if you're reverse to needles and 1:07:28.320 --> 1:07:30.840 who wants to shoot themselves with a needle? There are 1:07:30.880 --> 1:07:33.000 options here, you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there are other 1:07:33.040 --> 1:07:35.600 options for this as well, really interesting stuff. So you know, 1:07:35.640 --> 1:07:38.040 again it's it's buyer beware. It's it's having the information 1:07:38.160 --> 1:07:40.120 and then making a decision based on what you heard 1:07:40.160 --> 1:07:42.320 the facts, as opposed to you know, going to you 1:07:42.320 --> 1:07:44.320 know and everyone else's And I keep hearing about all 1:07:44.320 --> 1:07:46.440 these guys maybe I need that, and you talk yourself 1:07:46.440 --> 1:07:49.280 into it. But now you kind of know. But you 1:07:49.280 --> 1:07:51.320 could get the test and find out what your testosterone level. 1:07:51.440 --> 1:07:54.160 Yeah and small, I mean minor story. I had mind checked. 1:07:54.880 --> 1:07:56.760 I was in the three fifty range, so I guess 1:07:56.760 --> 1:07:59.120 I was slightly low. And you know, the doctor I 1:07:59.160 --> 1:08:02.800 met with and shout out to metamorph Sean Ryan who 1:08:02.880 --> 1:08:05.360 sat down with me. He you know, we had a 1:08:05.480 --> 1:08:08.000 very good discussion about it, and he's like, look, there 1:08:08.000 --> 1:08:10.160 are other things you can do like how's your diet, 1:08:10.240 --> 1:08:13.280 how's your lifestyle? And that's the important conversation. So be 1:08:13.360 --> 1:08:16.640 careful if you're you're doing just online without consulting with 1:08:16.680 --> 1:08:19.720 the physician and without thinking about your other options and 1:08:19.760 --> 1:08:20.240 weighing those. 1:08:20.360 --> 1:08:23.479 Finally, you no cost to this, that is that I 1:08:23.520 --> 1:08:26.519 don't okay, And it probably varies too depending where you go. 1:08:26.560 --> 1:08:27.879 And you know, yeah, I don't. 1:08:27.680 --> 1:08:29.880 Think it's totally expensive. I don't think we're talking GLP 1:08:30.000 --> 1:08:30.800 one prices. 1:08:30.600 --> 1:08:32.400 Right right right less than that. But and if some 1:08:32.600 --> 1:08:33.920 do you have to be on it forever, then at 1:08:33.960 --> 1:08:36.120 that point do you there is a suggestion. 1:08:35.840 --> 1:08:38.920 For most people like if if you're symptomatic with very 1:08:38.960 --> 1:08:42.200 low testosterol level and you have quote hypo gonatism, so 1:08:42.600 --> 1:08:49.479 you're you're going to just produce less testoster I caught that, Yeah, 1:08:49.800 --> 1:08:54.080 rock on. So yeah, if you may have to be 1:08:54.160 --> 1:08:57.120 on it for life. But other times there are some 1:08:57.200 --> 1:09:00.599 people that may have a temporary decrease in their testo. Again, 1:09:00.720 --> 1:09:03.080 stress will do it. You know, if you cut the 1:09:03.120 --> 1:09:05.679 alcohol out, maybe you can come off of it. But'll 1:09:05.720 --> 1:09:06.840 most people need to be honest. 1:09:06.880 --> 1:09:08.920 So but but if you go off it, do you 1:09:09.000 --> 1:09:10.680 just turn into a beach ball again. I mean, does 1:09:10.680 --> 1:09:12.400 it like GLP ones. Once you're on it, you gotta 1:09:12.400 --> 1:09:14.080 be on it forever. It's not immediate. 1:09:14.280 --> 1:09:16.680 Okay, it's hardy to put that on and it just 1:09:16.720 --> 1:09:19.000 works in a different way. And so we're talking about, 1:09:19.280 --> 1:09:22.840 you know, just slightly increasing your levels as opposed to 1:09:22.880 --> 1:09:25.240 the massive changes we're seeing with GLP ones. 1:09:25.320 --> 1:09:28.559 Got it. He is our resident doctor physician edie doctor, 1:09:28.600 --> 1:09:32.599 doctor Sanjay Schevacrimani. He's also at dine well Doc. That's 1:09:32.640 --> 1:09:35.720 his handle, health, food, fitness and Medicine. Thanks for popping in, 1:09:35.800 --> 1:09:37.920 and again, I just love the I love to get 1:09:37.960 --> 1:09:40.320 the information out, the facts out first before you proceed. 1:09:40.400 --> 1:09:42.240 So if that's you and you're thinking about, you're on 1:09:42.240 --> 1:09:43.679 the fence and now you know and you can ask 1:09:43.720 --> 1:09:45.759 good questions when you go and get your test. Asterone 1:09:45.840 --> 1:09:53.120 check now. Thanks beevis appreciate, he said, go ahead, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:09:53.360 --> 1:09:59.800 seven hundred WLW. It's got flowing back on seven hundred 1:09:59.800 --> 1:10:03.479 double lots of cutter again today. Man, there's who shortage 1:10:03.479 --> 1:10:05.320 to do is the last forty eight hours, that's for sure. 1:10:05.760 --> 1:10:08.719 But we had this story come out. Cincinnati's Curfew Center 1:10:08.800 --> 1:10:12.240 has been open. What eighteen months now and it costs 1:10:12.280 --> 1:10:15.280 us like almost four hundred thousand dollars operate. Okay, Curfew Center. 1:10:15.320 --> 1:10:17.760 We get these kids that get jammed up there on 1:10:17.920 --> 1:10:20.640 after hours, causing problems, big groups. We pick them up, 1:10:20.640 --> 1:10:23.280 We put them in a temporary holding facility for those 1:10:23.320 --> 1:10:25.600 that break care fore you especially Friday Saturday nights, and 1:10:25.640 --> 1:10:28.200 they can't immediately be turned to return home for whatever reason, 1:10:28.479 --> 1:10:30.280 and then they call the parents and guardians to come 1:10:30.320 --> 1:10:33.920 get your kid. Okay, great, three hundred eighty thousand dollars, 1:10:34.400 --> 1:10:36.000 This is awesome. This is going to help solve that 1:10:36.080 --> 1:10:39.240 juvenile linguency issue. Only problem is they have been exactly 1:10:39.360 --> 1:10:43.040 four I said four four, not four hundred, not four thousand, 1:10:43.320 --> 1:10:47.559 four between three and five kids that have been held 1:10:48.000 --> 1:10:50.080 in the last year and a half at three hundred 1:10:50.120 --> 1:10:52.680 and eighty thousand dollars, which is like one hundred k 1:10:53.560 --> 1:10:57.719 per kid. The math doesn't math. She is a council member. Anna, 1:10:57.720 --> 1:10:59.879 I'll be back on the show on seven hundred WW 1:11:00.040 --> 1:11:02.280 and I'll make a deal with you. I'll take one 1:11:02.280 --> 1:11:03.880 of these kids and watch them till their parents can 1:11:03.920 --> 1:11:06.360 pick them up for only seventy five thousand dollars. How 1:11:06.400 --> 1:11:08.040 about that I'm saving you money. 1:11:08.800 --> 1:11:11.080 Well, I appreciate the opportunity to talk about this gap, 1:11:11.120 --> 1:11:13.640 so thank you. I will do a quick FactCheck. It 1:11:13.640 --> 1:11:17.200 hasn't been fully eighteen months since we kind of implemented 1:11:17.320 --> 1:11:20.400 a special curfew district downtown and make sure we had 1:11:20.400 --> 1:11:24.320 these curfee centers up and running. Understand the case to 1:11:24.360 --> 1:11:27.040 be made. I think what's really important to be clear 1:11:27.280 --> 1:11:30.559 is going into the process of whether or not to 1:11:30.720 --> 1:11:35.200 update our curfew policy, which included both you know, making 1:11:35.320 --> 1:11:38.840 the time at night more standard across the city. That 1:11:38.920 --> 1:11:41.519 was a big piece of it. The previous curfew ordinance 1:11:41.560 --> 1:11:44.960 had stagger times based on age, and it's like, how 1:11:45.040 --> 1:11:46.640 are you supposed to be able to tell from a 1:11:46.640 --> 1:11:49.720 distance of sixteen year old from a seventeen year old? Right, Like, 1:11:49.760 --> 1:11:52.200 it was just it was hard to enforce. So the 1:11:52.240 --> 1:11:55.559 first piece of that curfew was saying, okay, city wide 1:11:55.920 --> 1:11:58.880 we have eleven PM. And then the second piece of 1:11:58.920 --> 1:12:04.360 it was the Downtown Business District Special Curfew Center where 1:12:04.360 --> 1:12:08.040 we have the nine pm curfew, And that's really where 1:12:08.040 --> 1:12:09.720 we wanted to make sure we had the support of 1:12:09.760 --> 1:12:12.760 the curfew centers because something that was important to me 1:12:12.880 --> 1:12:17.280 into my colleagues, is implementing the curfew was not not 1:12:17.800 --> 1:12:21.080 an effort to criminalize kids in any way. We want 1:12:21.160 --> 1:12:24.479 kids to be in a safe spot. So those were 1:12:24.520 --> 1:12:28.440 really intentional conversations I know I had with the administration 1:12:28.880 --> 1:12:30.920 and with my colleagues as we went into this process 1:12:30.920 --> 1:12:34.320 about Okay, what happens if there is a kid out 1:12:34.360 --> 1:12:36.880 after curfew? How are we making sure we get that 1:12:36.880 --> 1:12:39.679 person that kid home to a safe place? 1:12:40.120 --> 1:12:43.080 Right? And that's the intent here. But I look at 1:12:43.080 --> 1:12:45.479 this and go wow, four and you said, okay, not 1:12:45.560 --> 1:12:47.400 quite eighteen months. But let's face it, how many kids 1:12:47.439 --> 1:12:49.320 are loitering at one o'clock in the morning. Wh's thirty 1:12:49.320 --> 1:12:51.760 five thousand degrees below zero. So I'm going to guess 1:12:51.760 --> 1:12:53.479 probably not going to pick many more kids up, at 1:12:53.560 --> 1:12:56.080 least until the spring starts, the warm weather starts and 1:12:56.120 --> 1:12:59.240 they congregating groups. Is this an issue of enforcement or 1:12:59.320 --> 1:13:02.240 is an issue of simply deterrence? I know Interim Chief 1:13:02.240 --> 1:13:05.320 Henny brought that up, suggested at the meeting that this 1:13:05.439 --> 1:13:08.120 is working as a deterrent. But if that's the case, 1:13:08.160 --> 1:13:09.799 do you need to spend three hundred and eighty thousand 1:13:10.000 --> 1:13:10.559 dollars to. 1:13:10.520 --> 1:13:13.679 Deter I think that's a great question. 1:13:13.800 --> 1:13:16.280 And this was the first year we had this approach 1:13:16.479 --> 1:13:19.880 for the curfew center and having a special district, So 1:13:20.040 --> 1:13:23.360 I definitely see this year as a learning opportunity. In fact, 1:13:23.520 --> 1:13:26.120 at the end of August, I went on a ride 1:13:26.160 --> 1:13:29.479 along with CPD in OTR from six pm to midnight. 1:13:29.560 --> 1:13:31.120 I could not make it past midnight. I had to 1:13:31.160 --> 1:13:34.120 be up and functioning the next morning. But during that 1:13:34.160 --> 1:13:37.160 period we did come in contact with some kids. I 1:13:37.200 --> 1:13:39.599 don't know their exact ages, maybe looks ten to twelve 1:13:39.680 --> 1:13:42.000 years old. And you know, I got to watch the 1:13:42.000 --> 1:13:45.439 officer interacting with those kids and basically saying, hey, you 1:13:45.479 --> 1:13:47.639 got to go home, and you know, we watched them 1:13:47.840 --> 1:13:52.160 walk away, hopefully towards home, and that that was the intent, right, 1:13:52.840 --> 1:13:55.840 going into this, being really intentional about the conversation. So 1:13:55.920 --> 1:13:58.840 the officer's process and this is you're going to first, 1:13:58.880 --> 1:14:00.840 you know, ask them to go home home, tell them 1:14:00.880 --> 1:14:02.840 to go home, and demand and it's not till that 1:14:02.960 --> 1:14:07.040 third demand interaction where that would activate the curfew center. 1:14:07.120 --> 1:14:07.240 Right. 1:14:07.439 --> 1:14:09.880 So I'll be honest, like there is a version of 1:14:09.880 --> 1:14:12.439 this where hey, just the threat of the curfew was 1:14:12.560 --> 1:14:15.719 enough to keep kids at home, right, and that was enough, 1:14:16.320 --> 1:14:18.679 or our officers are having doing a really great job 1:14:18.720 --> 1:14:21.760 with these interactions and the kids are listening. You know, 1:14:22.080 --> 1:14:25.960 that's something hard to know any given moments. I think again, 1:14:26.040 --> 1:14:28.280 at the end of the day, the ultimate goal was 1:14:28.600 --> 1:14:30.640 let's make sure our kids are safe and off the 1:14:30.640 --> 1:14:32.640 streets when it's late at night, so they are not 1:14:33.479 --> 1:14:36.920 victims of crime or committing crimes. And to me, this 1:14:37.080 --> 1:14:40.240 for kids at their curfew center shows that was successful. 1:14:40.600 --> 1:14:44.080 Right, Okay, Yeah, it's hard to tell at this point 1:14:44.080 --> 1:14:45.760 if it's a deterrent or we're just not And I 1:14:45.760 --> 1:14:47.760 think the other element from cops is okay, hold on, 1:14:48.080 --> 1:14:50.559 Typically it's going to be a group of adolescents. They 1:14:50.640 --> 1:14:53.280 always congregating groups right doing God knows what they're doing. 1:14:53.560 --> 1:14:56.040 They see the police, they scatter, everybody runs in a 1:14:56.040 --> 1:14:58.600 different direction. Now you've got a cop by themselves in 1:14:58.640 --> 1:15:01.400 a unit. I want to get in a foot pursuit 1:15:01.439 --> 1:15:04.360 with a whether sixteen or with a ten or twelve 1:15:04.439 --> 1:15:07.960 year old, and I'm carrying sixty pounds of equipment and 1:15:08.280 --> 1:15:10.400 a lot of things can go wrong, and you know 1:15:10.479 --> 1:15:12.960 what if it maybe they just scare them away and 1:15:13.000 --> 1:15:15.880 they're not pursuing that that technically that's a deterrent. But 1:15:15.920 --> 1:15:18.160 I could imagine with all the stuff that our officers 1:15:18.160 --> 1:15:20.439 who are overwhelmed with the amount of things they have 1:15:20.520 --> 1:15:22.280 to do, are going to get in a foot pursuit 1:15:22.760 --> 1:15:24.479 over over a curfew violation. 1:15:26.120 --> 1:15:29.280 Yeah, we did not want pursuits, right, That was not 1:15:29.360 --> 1:15:34.360 the intensiveness. We really do focus intinsati on having those 1:15:35.040 --> 1:15:37.479 positive relationship with our officers who are out in the 1:15:37.479 --> 1:15:38.799 community with community members. 1:15:39.000 --> 1:15:39.120 Right. 1:15:39.200 --> 1:15:41.479 So we do want our officers to have some trust 1:15:41.640 --> 1:15:43.880 with kids when they come up and say, hey, hey, 1:15:44.000 --> 1:15:49.280 time to go home. That's to be a positive professional interaction, right. 1:15:49.320 --> 1:15:51.839 We're not We're literally not trying to take kids down. 1:15:51.640 --> 1:15:53.439 The streets from alism, right. 1:15:53.560 --> 1:15:55.840 So you know, the Curfew Center to me is really 1:15:55.840 --> 1:15:58.680 that insurance policy for us that if there is a 1:15:58.720 --> 1:16:00.720 situation which, like you said, there are four of them, 1:16:00.920 --> 1:16:03.439 where we have that interaction with the kid and we 1:16:03.520 --> 1:16:06.000 can't get a hold of their caretaker, we have a 1:16:06.040 --> 1:16:08.120 safe place for them to be where we're still working 1:16:08.160 --> 1:16:10.880 to get ahold of their whoever, if it's a parents, aunts, 1:16:11.040 --> 1:16:14.120 grandmother or whatever caretaker, we have them in a safe 1:16:14.120 --> 1:16:16.439 space out of the cold weather. If it's winter time, 1:16:16.560 --> 1:16:20.000 or where they can get snacks, and that's the insurance policy. 1:16:20.120 --> 1:16:22.720 So you know, you look at this contract and yeah, 1:16:22.760 --> 1:16:24.519 it had to be a year long because we never 1:16:24.720 --> 1:16:27.479 we didn't know going into this how often would we 1:16:27.600 --> 1:16:30.599 be using it right like maybe Monday night it's NERO 1:16:30.760 --> 1:16:34.599 and Friday nights it's twenty We had no idea. So again, 1:16:34.680 --> 1:16:36.719 this to me is the kind of the first out, 1:16:36.880 --> 1:16:40.920 first time out testing this approach. I think, you know, 1:16:41.000 --> 1:16:44.120 we have learnings, but I think overall, you know, success 1:16:44.160 --> 1:16:45.719 there and having those Curfew centers. 1:16:45.840 --> 1:16:48.120 Okay, she's council member and I'll be on the Scottsland 1:16:48.120 --> 1:16:51.840 Show on seven hundred wwdews that the Curfew Center costs 1:16:51.880 --> 1:16:54.160 three hundred and eighty thousand dollars almost four hundred thousand 1:16:54.160 --> 1:16:56.559 dollars to operate the physical year. It's been open for 1:16:56.680 --> 1:16:59.360 close to almost eighteen months, and in that time we've 1:16:59.360 --> 1:17:01.439 had four kids have been put in the center, So 1:17:01.439 --> 1:17:03.679 that's a cost of about one hundred thousand dollars per kid. 1:17:04.120 --> 1:17:06.000 And I think everyone listening looks at that and goes, wow, 1:17:06.040 --> 1:17:09.559 that's yeah, that's not a good investment of money, even 1:17:09.600 --> 1:17:12.679 if it is to turing kids. When is the contract 1:17:12.720 --> 1:17:15.640 up By the way. 1:17:14.880 --> 1:17:16.599 Oh, I don't have the exact dates. I know our 1:17:16.640 --> 1:17:20.040 initial one was a year, so whatever that execution date is, 1:17:20.680 --> 1:17:22.960 so I think it will get us through this upcoming summer. 1:17:23.240 --> 1:17:25.559 I just don't know the exact all right. 1:17:26.000 --> 1:17:28.000 So here's a valid question. Let's say we signed over 1:17:28.040 --> 1:17:30.040 through the summer. We were committed to the contract, no 1:17:30.080 --> 1:17:31.879 doubt about it. So I think it may be August 1:17:32.000 --> 1:17:34.439 for some reason. That's shipping in my mind, but we'll 1:17:34.439 --> 1:17:36.719 go through it. Let's say that there's really no sizeable 1:17:36.800 --> 1:17:39.080 uptick in the number of kids who are being held 1:17:39.200 --> 1:17:42.760 at the curfew center, why can't we simply end that contract? 1:17:43.160 --> 1:17:45.599 And if it's only four kids, can't we just have 1:17:45.680 --> 1:17:48.559 them at a police substation or at the juvenile justice center. 1:17:48.560 --> 1:17:50.080 I mean, why do we have to have a separate 1:17:50.080 --> 1:17:50.759 curfew center? 1:17:52.479 --> 1:17:55.000 Great question. So there was a lot of conversation of 1:17:55.160 --> 1:17:58.320 what should the curfew center be? Right, and so part 1:17:58.320 --> 1:18:01.280 of the contract and the cost is the staff. Right, 1:18:01.320 --> 1:18:04.040 you have to have someone there, right, We're not dropping 1:18:04.080 --> 1:18:06.240 people off in an empty building up and walking away. 1:18:06.520 --> 1:18:09.080 And we want our officers to be back on duty, right. 1:18:09.120 --> 1:18:11.600 We don't want the officer having to watch over and 1:18:11.680 --> 1:18:14.519 be taken off of their control for the night. So 1:18:14.800 --> 1:18:17.120 some of that cost is that the staffing piece of it. 1:18:17.960 --> 1:18:20.080 And we had conversations, right it should should it be, 1:18:20.280 --> 1:18:21.760 you know, a rec center, and I say no, we 1:18:21.800 --> 1:18:24.080 want rec centers to be this positive space for kids. 1:18:24.120 --> 1:18:26.360 We don't want them to have negative connotations with it. 1:18:27.439 --> 1:18:31.360 And the reason why the jail twenty twenty wasn't available 1:18:31.400 --> 1:18:34.800 was because this is not a criminal charge that would 1:18:34.880 --> 1:18:37.479 keep a kid over night, you know, And that was 1:18:37.520 --> 1:18:38.960 something I had to do some digging on. I'm not 1:18:39.000 --> 1:18:41.160 a lawyer, so please everyone, I did not go to 1:18:41.240 --> 1:18:43.040 law school, but I asked. I tried to ask a 1:18:43.080 --> 1:18:46.000 lot of questions, but essentially, you know, this is not 1:18:46.400 --> 1:18:50.160 a curfew violation, is not something that would a youth 1:18:50.160 --> 1:18:52.639 would be booked for at the jail, So that would 1:18:52.800 --> 1:18:55.759 not have given us the space to kind of spend 1:18:55.760 --> 1:18:57.679 the time there trying to contact the caretakers. 1:18:57.720 --> 1:19:01.160 Okay, can't we just hold them without booking, without processing? 1:19:01.200 --> 1:19:03.559 I mean they're waiting areas in full view of law 1:19:03.600 --> 1:19:06.000 enforcement officers. I'm sure maybe there's an anti room or 1:19:06.040 --> 1:19:08.439 something like that you could use. I mean, you don't 1:19:08.479 --> 1:19:11.080 have to process this. People yeah, we have. Probably not 1:19:11.160 --> 1:19:13.920 everyone who comes to those doors are booked. There's plenty 1:19:13.960 --> 1:19:15.760 of people in there who aren't, and you know, things 1:19:15.800 --> 1:19:17.720 like property and everything else. I mean, can't we just say, hey, 1:19:17.720 --> 1:19:19.280 instead of being processed, we're going to put you in 1:19:19.280 --> 1:19:21.519 the side room next to the Sally boarder wherever they 1:19:21.520 --> 1:19:23.599 can keep an eye on you until your parents come. 1:19:24.880 --> 1:19:27.640 I don't control the jails or the Timpsons Center, So 1:19:27.680 --> 1:19:29.280 I don't want to say something here that's actually not 1:19:29.520 --> 1:19:32.519 get it right. But I do want to go back 1:19:32.560 --> 1:19:35.479 and emphasize, you know, Seven Hills Neighborhoods House in Life 1:19:35.520 --> 1:19:39.640 House are really trusted community partners that have staff that 1:19:39.680 --> 1:19:44.240 are specialized in Tomlin formed care and interacting with kids. 1:19:44.280 --> 1:19:46.120 So that was also part of it. How do we 1:19:46.160 --> 1:19:49.280 have the right staff around any kid who you know 1:19:49.479 --> 1:19:51.800 is caught up in this process that making sure that 1:19:51.840 --> 1:19:54.799 we're giving them resources and that staff that was trained 1:19:54.840 --> 1:19:57.200 to also be able to check with the kid on Hey, 1:19:57.520 --> 1:19:59.840 what other needs do you have? Like do you have stable? 1:20:00.720 --> 1:20:02.720 Is there is there someone who you can go home to? 1:20:02.800 --> 1:20:06.120 Because that was also concerned, what if we have a 1:20:06.240 --> 1:20:09.720 youth who's outlet, who's hold us? What do you do right, 1:20:10.000 --> 1:20:12.160 So we wanted to make sure we have that expert staff. 1:20:12.200 --> 1:20:15.160 So again it's beyond just the holding place, and it's 1:20:15.200 --> 1:20:18.360 also those wrap around services and support we are also 1:20:18.439 --> 1:20:22.120 providing to them through these experts that we have at 1:20:22.120 --> 1:20:23.200 seven Hills in the well. 1:20:23.280 --> 1:20:25.680 And I appreciate that it's seven Hills and all that, 1:20:25.760 --> 1:20:27.880 but at the same time, I mean, social workers are 1:20:28.000 --> 1:20:30.720 available twenty four to seven. Why can't you just have 1:20:30.800 --> 1:20:33.360 the social worker meet them at the General Justice Center 1:20:33.439 --> 1:20:35.280 or wherever they are holding this kid as opposed to 1:20:35.280 --> 1:20:37.360 having to have a separate facility. And we're paying four 1:20:37.439 --> 1:20:38.439 hundred thousand dollars for. 1:20:39.920 --> 1:20:41.519 And you know what, I don't know what the cost 1:20:41.560 --> 1:20:43.559 of having that kind of social worker on calls. You'd 1:20:43.560 --> 1:20:45.639 have to negotiate special contract for that either. 1:20:45.960 --> 1:20:46.160 Right. 1:20:46.240 --> 1:20:51.400 So these are all questions that others looked into, and 1:20:51.439 --> 1:20:54.960 this felt like the best way to start out in 1:20:55.000 --> 1:20:57.840 the process. Again, we had no idea how many kids sure, right, 1:20:57.840 --> 1:21:00.439 because if you can remember a wild though, there were 1:21:00.479 --> 1:21:03.840 videos of like tons of kids down yeah, right, what 1:21:03.960 --> 1:21:06.719 if we had that situation and we needed a whole 1:21:07.120 --> 1:21:07.719 big space. 1:21:07.800 --> 1:21:09.280 So we just didn't know. 1:21:09.800 --> 1:21:12.920 And so I'm really excited and grateful that the administration 1:21:13.080 --> 1:21:15.840 took such a thoughtful approach and that we really thought 1:21:15.840 --> 1:21:18.040 through all these different scenarios and how do we make 1:21:18.080 --> 1:21:20.240 sure we keep kids safe. Because I'll be honest, I 1:21:20.400 --> 1:21:24.679 was hesitant personally to vote on this curfew enforcement because 1:21:24.720 --> 1:21:28.320 I did not want increased criminalization of our youth, nor 1:21:28.400 --> 1:21:32.360 did I want increased negative interactions between officers and kids. 1:21:32.560 --> 1:21:35.160 So being able to have this really thoughtful approach I 1:21:35.760 --> 1:21:39.320 think was really important to making sure everyone in this 1:21:39.439 --> 1:21:40.639 process is safe. 1:21:40.720 --> 1:21:43.760 Well, I disagree somewhat on that too, is it's not 1:21:44.160 --> 1:21:47.439 necessarily a high level criminal activity. But you know, being 1:21:47.439 --> 1:21:49.080 out of Africa, the fact that we have to set 1:21:49.120 --> 1:21:51.760 curfews because you know, kids are there's some kids that 1:21:52.280 --> 1:21:54.040 are out having fun and their parents are taking it 1:21:54.120 --> 1:21:56.800 very seriously. You have people who are working multiple jobs. 1:21:56.800 --> 1:21:59.120 It simply can't be around all the time with their kids. 1:21:58.960 --> 1:22:01.599 That's unfortunate. And then you have kids that are essentially 1:22:01.640 --> 1:22:03.960 fearal that the parents don't care about them, and all 1:22:04.000 --> 1:22:07.320 of those mean problems for our community, for police and like. 1:22:07.400 --> 1:22:09.200 And we don't want to vilify kids or try to 1:22:09.200 --> 1:22:11.880 get them help. I understand that, but you know, I 1:22:11.920 --> 1:22:13.880 think most people would look at us and go, wow, 1:22:14.520 --> 1:22:17.280 it's the kid gloves and the touchy feelings are good. 1:22:17.280 --> 1:22:20.200 But it's three hundred and eighty thousand dollars for four kids. Anna, 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:21.960 you can't justify their cost. 1:22:24.080 --> 1:22:25.960 This was the first year. Like I said, Pilot, I 1:22:25.960 --> 1:22:28.360 think there are updates we can make and this will 1:22:28.360 --> 1:22:29.120 be a conversation. 1:22:29.320 --> 1:22:29.479 Right. 1:22:30.320 --> 1:22:32.599 The report out this week was of the first time 1:22:32.600 --> 1:22:34.599 we've gotten all this information in one place and been 1:22:34.600 --> 1:22:35.519 able to really. 1:22:35.280 --> 1:22:36.240 Dig into the detail. 1:22:36.320 --> 1:22:39.280 So I personally excited to have that conversation of Okay, 1:22:39.280 --> 1:22:41.160 what does this look like going forward to your point 1:22:41.160 --> 1:22:43.800 you made earlier. It's really cool outside right now, right, 1:22:43.880 --> 1:22:46.400 so maybe this isn't a year long contract. If we 1:22:46.520 --> 1:22:48.400 know that people aren't going to be out when it's 1:22:48.479 --> 1:22:51.679 negative two degrees, you know, in the middle of winter, 1:22:52.000 --> 1:22:54.679 so you know, maybe there are some adjustments to be made. 1:22:54.760 --> 1:22:58.000 It really makes this effective and efficient. And you know, 1:22:58.120 --> 1:23:00.360 if it's only for kids and we're in we get 1:23:01.280 --> 1:23:03.599 in contact with their caretakers within the I think it's 1:23:03.600 --> 1:23:06.639 two or three hours. We're legally allowed to have kids 1:23:06.720 --> 1:23:10.439 kind of in our custody for well, okay, maybe that 1:23:10.520 --> 1:23:13.680 means the lighthouse piece was a good good thing to have, 1:23:13.840 --> 1:23:15.760 but maybe we don't need that going forward. These are 1:23:15.760 --> 1:23:17.559 all questions I think we can look at now that 1:23:17.600 --> 1:23:20.160 we have done this for a while. And frankly, I 1:23:20.200 --> 1:23:22.719 think this upcoming summer will be another good test because 1:23:22.720 --> 1:23:25.040 we didn't have this curfew in place at the beginning 1:23:25.040 --> 1:23:27.360 of last summer, So I don't know this might be 1:23:27.400 --> 1:23:30.720 different come May June July because we didn't have this 1:23:30.760 --> 1:23:31.559 in place last year. 1:23:31.640 --> 1:23:34.040 Yeah, and it's reasonable though, I totally understand what were sentient. 1:23:34.040 --> 1:23:35.559 I agree. It's like, hey, we did suddenly put this 1:23:36.120 --> 1:23:39.600 curfew center together because of the juvenile delinquency problem, but 1:23:39.720 --> 1:23:41.840 we only had four kids there, and you know, saying well, 1:23:41.880 --> 1:23:44.880 we shouldn't have done it, That's just stupid for anyone 1:23:44.880 --> 1:23:46.479 to say that or believe that. I don't think that's sure. 1:23:46.479 --> 1:23:49.320 You go, well, okay, we learned from this, but moving forward, 1:23:49.360 --> 1:23:51.439 how do we balance the cause that three hundred and 1:23:51.439 --> 1:23:53.080 eighty grand that's going to pay for a few cops 1:23:53.120 --> 1:23:55.000 on the streets. For sure, our cameras, and I know 1:23:55.080 --> 1:23:57.400 you want more cameras in places where kids congregate. 1:23:58.400 --> 1:24:01.760 Absolutely, to be clear, you know, there's never enough resources 1:24:01.760 --> 1:24:03.040 for all the things we want to do. So we 1:24:03.120 --> 1:24:06.680 have to look at these things and be smart and 1:24:06.720 --> 1:24:09.080 critical of how we're investment money. So I think everyone 1:24:09.120 --> 1:24:11.240 on council will agree with that. And this is an 1:24:11.280 --> 1:24:13.600 area you heard council member Jeffreyes bringing up. He and 1:24:13.640 --> 1:24:15.840 I were kind of chit chatting too about it on 1:24:15.880 --> 1:24:17.680 the side, right, this is something we're going to look 1:24:17.720 --> 1:24:21.599 at and I think first year where we have our 1:24:21.680 --> 1:24:24.200 learnings and we can improve for next time. We didn't 1:24:24.200 --> 1:24:27.559 get it perfect, but I think we over rotated on 1:24:27.640 --> 1:24:30.360 making sure that we were compassionate and had this insurance 1:24:30.400 --> 1:24:33.080 policy in place. And I would rather have that than 1:24:33.479 --> 1:24:36.439 if something had gone really terribly wrong. Right, So I 1:24:36.479 --> 1:24:38.800 would rather always air on the side of compassion when 1:24:38.840 --> 1:24:40.280 it was something dealing with our kids. 1:24:40.600 --> 1:24:43.519 Yeah, you go with the information you have and now, 1:24:43.760 --> 1:24:45.360 well we'll have a good sample size that time the 1:24:45.360 --> 1:24:46.760 contract is up to figure out if we want to 1:24:46.760 --> 1:24:50.240 continue this. I think that's completely reasonable. Right. The other 1:24:50.240 --> 1:24:52.519 element here too I mentioned this is that you know, 1:24:52.520 --> 1:24:54.639 three hundred and eighty thousand dollars buy a lot more cameras. 1:24:54.640 --> 1:24:56.799 I know that's something you want to get moving forward 1:24:56.960 --> 1:24:59.600 and add more work. Basically where kids congregate, let's have 1:24:59.640 --> 1:25:02.600 more camra and you know, the digital surveillance to me 1:25:03.000 --> 1:25:05.680 seems to pay much more dividends than maybe something like this. 1:25:07.160 --> 1:25:10.639 Yeah, so I do have emotion coming up where I'm 1:25:10.720 --> 1:25:17.080 asking the administration to basically audit where we have playgrounds, parks, 1:25:17.240 --> 1:25:20.439 rec centers, right areas we want kids and families hanging 1:25:20.439 --> 1:25:23.880 out to look at, what does the lighting look like 1:25:23.960 --> 1:25:27.840 and what's the camera situation. Obviously I was on your 1:25:27.840 --> 1:25:30.559 show talking about the tragedy shooting of queener read right. 1:25:30.640 --> 1:25:33.519 That was a situation where she's in a playground area, right, 1:25:33.560 --> 1:25:37.800 she should have been sick. It's unimaginable that we had 1:25:37.800 --> 1:25:40.280 such a tragedy. So we need to do better. 1:25:40.360 --> 1:25:41.639 We absolutely need to do better. 1:25:42.040 --> 1:25:44.280 And in the report back that we got this week 1:25:44.400 --> 1:25:47.479 on where the investments had been around cameras and lighting, 1:25:48.120 --> 1:25:50.800 the focus has been on the quote right away, those 1:25:50.800 --> 1:25:54.520 streets and sidewalks. So if you can picture a playground 1:25:54.520 --> 1:25:58.000 a park, these improvements have been put in place already 1:25:58.080 --> 1:26:02.439 cover the street and the sidewalk, but the land inwards right, 1:26:02.520 --> 1:26:05.080 the actual park piece wasn't included in some of these 1:26:05.080 --> 1:26:07.960 street lighting and camera updates. So that is my ask 1:26:08.080 --> 1:26:13.640 now to the administration is to first look at specifically playgrounds, 1:26:13.680 --> 1:26:17.679 park rec centers where we have had shooting. Queen Arie 1:26:17.840 --> 1:26:21.919 is one area, but then also Grant Park had multiple 1:26:21.920 --> 1:26:26.439 teams shot last ball there in Grant Park. So there 1:26:26.439 --> 1:26:29.000 are places where kids are congregating, we want them to 1:26:29.120 --> 1:26:31.040 we want them to be, you know, shooting hoops and 1:26:31.080 --> 1:26:35.000 having fun that there's been shooting. So first let's do 1:26:35.000 --> 1:26:38.480 an audit of those locations as well as in neighborhoods 1:26:38.600 --> 1:26:41.439 that are our top five for gun violence. So those 1:26:41.439 --> 1:26:44.640 other locations, let's get this audit of what is the 1:26:44.640 --> 1:26:47.439 camera situation, what is the light situation? Okay, now let's 1:26:47.439 --> 1:26:49.439 come back and look like, look at what would the 1:26:49.479 --> 1:26:52.519 cost be to improve that infrastructure? Right, if we have 1:26:52.640 --> 1:26:55.640 these parks that are pitch black at six o'clock on 1:26:55.680 --> 1:26:59.479 a December evening, what would it take to actually get 1:26:59.560 --> 1:27:01.200 lighting in there to make sure kids. 1:27:01.000 --> 1:27:01.519 Can be safe. 1:27:01.680 --> 1:27:03.160 Yeah, no, it makes sense, and that I think it 1:27:03.160 --> 1:27:05.439 could be a great spend for that three eighty she 1:27:05.560 --> 1:27:08.400 is council Member Anna Alby. That's moving forward. Well, I'm 1:27:08.439 --> 1:27:11.000 sure we'll get an update from you in the near future, 1:27:11.040 --> 1:27:14.240 because this thing has legs, is not going away and 1:27:14.360 --> 1:27:15.800 to keep an eye on how we're spending the money. 1:27:15.800 --> 1:27:17.320 I love it, Anna, all the best, have a great. 1:27:17.240 --> 1:27:18.519 Day, Thank you as much. 1:27:18.560 --> 1:27:18.880 Take care. 1:27:19.160 --> 1:27:21.400 Got a little bit more snow moving in for tomorrow. 1:27:21.439 --> 1:27:23.280 I believe tomorrow anyway, it could be wet, could be well. 1:27:23.280 --> 1:27:24.920 Find out what the forecast is in just a few 1:27:24.920 --> 1:27:27.760 minutes and hopefully this is it for winter, but probably 1:27:27.800 --> 1:27:30.040 not on the way. Speaking of cold temperatures, which we 1:27:30.080 --> 1:27:32.559 still have ice damming. A lot of people have the 1:27:32.680 --> 1:27:36.960 gutters that have the giant icicles st lag mites that 1:27:37.000 --> 1:27:40.240 are coming down, and if that's you, you may have 1:27:40.280 --> 1:27:41.800 bigger problems going on. I will talk about that with 1:27:41.840 --> 1:27:45.880 my wife. Caught up next seven hundred WW She's the 1:27:46.040 --> 1:27:52.120 Princess of property, the Queen of closings. Fuck touchess out deals. 1:27:53.200 --> 1:27:55.559 It's realistic time with Michelle Sloan. 1:27:56.400 --> 1:28:00.639 All hail, the bestest Remax time agent I've ever met. 1:28:01.000 --> 1:28:05.519 On seven hundred wl W all right, she is back 1:28:05.800 --> 1:28:08.559 and on the phone day my wife Michelle Sloane, and 1:28:08.800 --> 1:28:12.440 I got a text this morning from my son and 1:28:11.640 --> 1:28:15.160 his girlfriend and at their house in Columbus. She's like, 1:28:15.560 --> 1:28:17.880 there's a stain in our ceiling in the kitchen. What 1:28:17.920 --> 1:28:20.120 does this mean? So I went through the whole check 1:28:20.160 --> 1:28:22.679 and wells and an outside well, yeah, well it's probably 1:28:22.800 --> 1:28:24.720 ice damming. This is the year. This is the time 1:28:24.760 --> 1:28:28.240 of year we start to see this stuff and you 1:28:28.439 --> 1:28:31.519 notice telltale stands in your ceiling, especially their outside walls. 1:28:32.320 --> 1:28:34.160 That is a huge problem. And roofers are going to 1:28:34.200 --> 1:28:36.120 do really, really well. Coming up here, my wife Michelle 1:28:36.120 --> 1:28:38.720 Sloan from Sloan cellsales dot com open house show on 1:28:39.240 --> 1:28:41.160 the iHeartRadio app and on YouTube as well. 1:28:41.200 --> 1:28:45.000 Good morning are you good morning? Yeah, we're gonna have 1:28:45.720 --> 1:28:48.479 we have more and more. The icicles that you see 1:28:48.680 --> 1:28:52.320 hanging off your gutters, yes, may be cool and look 1:28:52.439 --> 1:28:54.479 pretty and you may think, oh those are fun and 1:28:54.520 --> 1:28:56.440 I'm just gonna snap those off. 1:28:56.320 --> 1:28:56.760 Which you can. 1:28:57.800 --> 1:29:01.360 It is a bigger problem. It's likely to be a 1:29:01.400 --> 1:29:06.200 bigger problem. So do you have to be aware of 1:29:06.360 --> 1:29:09.559 ice damming? And we're not being political here. 1:29:09.479 --> 1:29:10.679 Right damn ice? 1:29:10.920 --> 1:29:16.559 Right? Well, this has been the worst winter I think 1:29:16.640 --> 1:29:20.040 that we have seen in Cincinnati for a really long time. 1:29:20.520 --> 1:29:23.120 It feels like, oh doubt, yeah, we had this snowfall 1:29:23.200 --> 1:29:26.240 last year, but this is like the cold is what's now. 1:29:26.400 --> 1:29:28.679 I believe I saw thirteen straight days, almost two straight 1:29:28.680 --> 1:29:31.640 weeks of sub zero or not subs or sub freezing. 1:29:31.320 --> 1:29:36.160 Temperatures right And this morning actually I was taking Mannon 1:29:36.200 --> 1:29:38.679 out for a walk and it was a little bit 1:29:38.760 --> 1:29:42.680 warmer yesterday, but there is a lot of icy patches 1:29:43.240 --> 1:29:46.360 at least on the sidewalks and the road day this 1:29:46.520 --> 1:29:49.479 morning because it got cold again, kind of looked pretty 1:29:49.520 --> 1:29:52.519 with all of the ice on the trees and stuff. 1:29:52.600 --> 1:29:54.920 But I think a lot of people may not have 1:29:54.960 --> 1:29:59.680 a clue what ice damming actually is, right, and do 1:29:59.720 --> 1:30:01.760 you want to get into that or I have the 1:30:02.439 --> 1:30:05.720 It's basically the snow melting on the warmer part of 1:30:05.760 --> 1:30:11.240 the roof, right, and it runs down and refreezes on 1:30:11.320 --> 1:30:15.120 the roof edge and then the gutters creating a dam. 1:30:15.960 --> 1:30:18.479 The am not the am right. 1:30:18.600 --> 1:30:20.599 So here's what happens. So you've got it's an insulation 1:30:20.720 --> 1:30:22.840 problem primarily too. You need more insulation. You're at it, 1:30:23.439 --> 1:30:25.040 and it's a cold most bit, that's why you have 1:30:25.080 --> 1:30:27.040 it more. As colder it is, the more insulation you 1:30:27.040 --> 1:30:29.080 would need because what happens is the heat comes up, 1:30:29.120 --> 1:30:32.000 it melts, the snow runs down the roof, okay, grades 1:30:32.040 --> 1:30:34.240 and the gutter the gutter freezes up though, because it's 1:30:34.320 --> 1:30:37.920 not the insulation. And what happens is as the water melts, 1:30:37.920 --> 1:30:40.240 it continues to add on top of the ice. So 1:30:40.280 --> 1:30:42.400 the water can't go with the gutter and down. So 1:30:42.439 --> 1:30:43.800 the first thing you check is to make sure your 1:30:43.840 --> 1:30:46.559 downspouts and you can't do it now obviously your down 1:30:46.640 --> 1:30:49.200 spouts and gutters aren't packed with leaves, and that they 1:30:49.240 --> 1:30:51.599 slope the right way that the water's actually getting out. 1:30:52.200 --> 1:30:54.680 When it doesn't get out, it starts to fill like 1:30:54.720 --> 1:30:57.760 a bathtub. The water starts to spill over the edge, 1:30:57.760 --> 1:31:00.960 and that's what causes the icicles. And also what happens 1:31:01.000 --> 1:31:03.080 during that free thought cycle is the water starts a 1:31:03.080 --> 1:31:04.760 new water starts to freeze and it doesn't happen or 1:31:04.760 --> 1:31:07.400 to go except it goes back up the shingles. So 1:31:07.400 --> 1:31:09.559 if you look at shingles, right when you shingle a roof, 1:31:09.920 --> 1:31:12.760 you start the first course and there's underlayment stuff. I said, 1:31:12.760 --> 1:31:14.679 But the first course starts where the gutter is okay, 1:31:14.720 --> 1:31:16.920 and then you stack it up. So the overlaying layers 1:31:17.000 --> 1:31:19.920 is the water runs down, your roof will run down 1:31:19.960 --> 1:31:22.760 and you know it'll kind of skip over the shingles. Okay, 1:31:22.760 --> 1:31:24.600 that's all well and good, But what happens when that 1:31:24.640 --> 1:31:27.840 water goes reverse, Well, it gets under the shingle, up 1:31:27.880 --> 1:31:30.040 the roof, and it continues to freeze. And then when 1:31:30.080 --> 1:31:33.640 it melts, because maybe there's there's not a insulation in 1:31:33.640 --> 1:31:35.559 the house, maybe there's the heat comes up and it's 1:31:35.600 --> 1:31:38.920 just enough to melt that. And you'll see closer to 1:31:38.960 --> 1:31:41.519 your wall, sometimes a little further out where those where 1:31:41.560 --> 1:31:44.200 the icicles are, you'll see water spots in your cylind gole. 1:31:44.200 --> 1:31:46.200 Where the hell is that coming from? That's the ice 1:31:46.280 --> 1:31:47.160 dam and what's going on? 1:31:48.200 --> 1:31:51.200 Right, And it can cause some issues, and there may 1:31:51.240 --> 1:31:52.760 not be a whole lot that you can do about 1:31:52.800 --> 1:31:55.519 it right this minute. But I have a list of 1:31:55.640 --> 1:31:59.800 things not to do that apparently some people have done. 1:32:00.320 --> 1:32:03.080 Don't use like a hammer or an ice pick or 1:32:03.120 --> 1:32:08.280 a hatchet or a shovel on your shingle. Don't try 1:32:08.280 --> 1:32:10.559 to climb up a ladder and get on there and 1:32:10.640 --> 1:32:11.760 try to pick that away. 1:32:11.760 --> 1:32:14.320 We're not gonna do anything except, you know, maybe fall 1:32:14.360 --> 1:32:16.080 off your ladder and put a hole in your room. 1:32:16.439 --> 1:32:19.160 But you're going to do some damage, right damage. 1:32:19.360 --> 1:32:21.599 There's a dude I just saw this the other day, 1:32:21.760 --> 1:32:26.040 maybe last week in the New England States, maybe Massachusetts. 1:32:26.240 --> 1:32:27.920 Guys like, well, I got this icing, and my guy, 1:32:27.880 --> 1:32:30.240 I gotta draw these gutters, gets up there with a 1:32:30.240 --> 1:32:33.760 flamethrower a torch. No, it burns some pass down. I'm 1:32:33.800 --> 1:32:34.280 not lying. 1:32:34.960 --> 1:32:37.760 Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's that's definitely on the do 1:32:37.920 --> 1:32:40.920 not do list. The other thing is some people have 1:32:41.080 --> 1:32:44.639 put rock salt on their roof to melt the snow 1:32:44.720 --> 1:32:48.560 and ice. It's a bad idea, very bad idea. 1:32:48.040 --> 1:32:50.679 Because what happens is, yeah, it's so it can deteriorate 1:32:50.720 --> 1:32:54.920 the gutters prematurely, can corrode those, but also it'll stain 1:32:55.000 --> 1:32:58.000 the roof, and it's it's also danger. I mean, if 1:32:58.000 --> 1:32:59.680 you're gonna do that, you really need to get like 1:32:59.720 --> 1:33:02.760 maybe maybe the ice damming is happening where the downspout 1:33:02.880 --> 1:33:06.040 meets the gutter itself and there's some you know, Okay, 1:33:06.120 --> 1:33:07.760 if I got water flow and go there, I can 1:33:07.800 --> 1:33:11.519 get it out. Okay, you could get a sock and 1:33:11.640 --> 1:33:13.960 fill the with calcium chlorid. Don't use rock salt, but 1:33:14.200 --> 1:33:17.640 kelsim chlorid. Put that in there and just set it 1:33:17.640 --> 1:33:19.479 in the gutter. But you got to do that obviously 1:33:19.560 --> 1:33:21.720 do it when it's like this right now, it's very 1:33:21.800 --> 1:33:24.559 very dangerous, but it will meld in that one particular spot, 1:33:24.600 --> 1:33:26.680 but not the whole gutter. It'll free somewhere else. Now, 1:33:26.720 --> 1:33:28.519 if it's again it's just one clog somewhere and you 1:33:28.520 --> 1:33:30.519 didn't get a chance to clear it out, that may 1:33:30.560 --> 1:33:32.800 help the situation. But I don't know. Is the risk 1:33:32.840 --> 1:33:34.640 worse the possible reward. I don't think so. 1:33:35.680 --> 1:33:38.240 No, probably not. We're all going to have to wait 1:33:38.320 --> 1:33:40.439 for it to fall, and I think I did see 1:33:40.600 --> 1:33:43.960 forties maybe next week, so that's a good thing. But 1:33:44.320 --> 1:33:47.559 the one long term prevention that you can do, and 1:33:47.640 --> 1:33:49.880 actually this is one of those things that you will 1:33:49.920 --> 1:33:54.240 get the return on your investment is increasing your attic insulation, 1:33:55.320 --> 1:33:59.160 and that is really important. Make sure that the all 1:33:59.200 --> 1:34:02.679 of the air fel around your attic. You know you're 1:34:02.840 --> 1:34:07.120 preventing that. Talk to a roofer. I mean, if you 1:34:07.160 --> 1:34:09.800 don't know what you're doing, then you could make it 1:34:09.840 --> 1:34:14.320 actually worse. Right, So, and we've always you know, say, 1:34:14.600 --> 1:34:17.080 keep your gutters clean, keep your gutters clean. Well, this 1:34:17.120 --> 1:34:18.960 is one of the main reasons why you want to 1:34:18.960 --> 1:34:19.400 make sure that. 1:34:20.560 --> 1:34:22.519 Yeah, yeah, and I know it's fun. You get the 1:34:22.520 --> 1:34:24.360 blower and the you go to the rental place, you 1:34:24.439 --> 1:34:26.160 go to a big box store and you buy certain 1:34:26.640 --> 1:34:29.280 number of bundles of blown in insulation. It's got a 1:34:29.320 --> 1:34:31.280 hose looks like a dryer hose, and you feed it 1:34:31.320 --> 1:34:32.960 and it's all fluffy. You blow it up there. But 1:34:33.400 --> 1:34:35.240 you do got to know what you're doing because you 1:34:35.240 --> 1:34:38.599 know if you blow the insulation into where another element 1:34:38.640 --> 1:34:40.280 with this too, I should point out, is and these 1:34:40.280 --> 1:34:42.960 two things sit together, is even in the winter, but 1:34:43.040 --> 1:34:45.160 especially in the summer, you got to make sure that 1:34:45.200 --> 1:34:47.479 attic is breathing. So you know, that's why you have 1:34:47.520 --> 1:34:49.080 some called a ridge vent. If you look and you're 1:34:49.080 --> 1:34:50.720 in your attic, which I don't how many people are, 1:34:50.760 --> 1:34:52.160 but at the very peak of it in the newer 1:34:52.240 --> 1:34:54.000 rooms you can see and look up and go, wow, 1:34:54.040 --> 1:34:58.280 there's a light coming through. Yeah. Also on the ends 1:34:58.320 --> 1:35:00.680 of the roofs you'll see like vents. Right, what does 1:35:00.720 --> 1:35:02.519 that do? It gets the heat out well. Also, no, 1:35:02.560 --> 1:35:05.200 you've got to have air exchange. It keeps the keeps 1:35:05.240 --> 1:35:07.519 mold and things like that out there. But you've got 1:35:07.560 --> 1:35:09.920 to have airflow through there. And if you don't, that 1:35:10.040 --> 1:35:12.360 is that's a recipe for disaster in a lot of ways, 1:35:12.400 --> 1:35:15.040 including what we're talking about here, so it all fits together, 1:35:15.120 --> 1:35:17.080 is you've got to have atticates. The attics gott to 1:35:17.080 --> 1:35:19.360 be ventilated. You've got a proper amount of insulation up there, 1:35:19.560 --> 1:35:22.000 and if you do that, you're gonna avoid ice, damming 1:35:22.000 --> 1:35:23.920 and other issues that you're starting to see now. And 1:35:23.960 --> 1:35:26.759 this is the extreme of bit. Most people, most houses, 1:35:26.760 --> 1:35:29.960 as you've seen, are under insulated, especially the attic, because 1:35:30.000 --> 1:35:31.719 even if you have the blown in kind over the years, 1:35:31.720 --> 1:35:33.559 what happens is, if we think about it, a lot 1:35:33.600 --> 1:35:36.000 of dust and debris in the attic poll all these 1:35:36.000 --> 1:35:39.320 things blow in there through the venting, and what happens 1:35:39.439 --> 1:35:42.599 is it causes the insulation, the blowness to settle. It 1:35:42.640 --> 1:35:44.880 starts packing down a little bit. And the again, the 1:35:44.880 --> 1:35:48.240 two things with insulation is not only the type of insulation, 1:35:48.320 --> 1:35:50.600 but also the amount of air that's in there, so 1:35:50.640 --> 1:35:54.439 you actually need airspace to help insulate. If you pack 1:35:54.520 --> 1:35:56.840 the insulation down, even like you know the old the 1:35:57.320 --> 1:35:59.800 pink insulation, you've packed that down, it's less effective. You 1:35:59.800 --> 1:36:02.360 want want it to be as expansive as the cavity 1:36:02.360 --> 1:36:04.880 you're going to So if you look at you. Yeah, 1:36:04.880 --> 1:36:06.240 if you look at your attic and you know you 1:36:06.240 --> 1:36:09.000 can see the joists, the ceiling joys or up there 1:36:09.000 --> 1:36:11.920 would be the roof choice floor choyst rather, you know, 1:36:11.960 --> 1:36:14.680 you probably need more insulation. Man, I do it. I've 1:36:14.680 --> 1:36:17.479 done several and again you got to make sure you're 1:36:17.479 --> 1:36:19.200 not blowing it all the way down to where the 1:36:19.200 --> 1:36:21.439 eaves are, where the where the vents are, especially if 1:36:21.479 --> 1:36:25.040 you have those soft events. You know, you know, and 1:36:25.160 --> 1:36:27.000 it depends what you know. Our value it is and 1:36:27.000 --> 1:36:28.880 all that. But about good ten inches I think seems 1:36:28.880 --> 1:36:31.040 to be about right for us. But the colder it 1:36:31.120 --> 1:36:33.120 gets and these better temperatures, you're like, well, I need 1:36:33.160 --> 1:36:35.719 more insulation up there. This is kind of it feels 1:36:35.720 --> 1:36:37.519 like right now this is like the the one hundred 1:36:37.600 --> 1:36:41.800 year low. Well, yeah, you don't want to. Don't still 1:36:41.840 --> 1:36:44.080 your whole attic up to the up to the peak 1:36:44.160 --> 1:36:49.080 with with insulation. That's a bad idea. Don't do that. 1:36:49.320 --> 1:36:52.120 That's definitely bad. So ice damning. That is what we're 1:36:52.160 --> 1:36:56.800 dealing with an icicles some other February and there's these 1:36:56.800 --> 1:37:00.800 are the things that we're facing this one, especially since 1:37:00.840 --> 1:37:03.679 it's super cold. You want to be careful about your 1:37:04.439 --> 1:37:07.680 furnace and dryer vents to make sure that there's the 1:37:07.760 --> 1:37:12.320 snow build up is not around to this again, your 1:37:12.520 --> 1:37:16.600 air vents for we're dryer and your furnace come outside 1:37:16.640 --> 1:37:18.960 and you want it to be able to breathe. I 1:37:19.040 --> 1:37:23.120 actually looked at ours and there's a giant icicle because 1:37:23.160 --> 1:37:27.519 there's condensation coming outside. And there is a big icicle 1:37:27.560 --> 1:37:30.680 on the outside of our house right now, and I 1:37:30.760 --> 1:37:33.000 want to send that picture to you later. I'll probably 1:37:33.040 --> 1:37:36.800 post it on my on my blog as well. But 1:37:37.080 --> 1:37:39.720 you know, that's just naturally occurring, and that's going to 1:37:39.800 --> 1:37:43.000 happen because there's the water and the condensation is coming 1:37:43.040 --> 1:37:46.360 outside into the cold. It's going to create a little 1:37:46.400 --> 1:37:50.439 bit of moisture and water and it has it freezes 1:37:50.520 --> 1:37:54.080 right away. So as long as the and there's plenty 1:37:54.120 --> 1:38:00.160 of air flow around those vents, that's that's important because and. 1:38:00.120 --> 1:38:02.519 The other thing too is make sure so that icicle 1:38:02.640 --> 1:38:04.920 is it causing that vent not to open or it 1:38:05.240 --> 1:38:06.880 doesn't close all the way. That's a concern and you 1:38:06.920 --> 1:38:08.840 want to you know, break that off and try to 1:38:08.840 --> 1:38:10.680 clean it out if that's the case. If it's just 1:38:10.960 --> 1:38:13.360 below and the event works normally, like if it's a 1:38:13.439 --> 1:38:15.559 damper kind of the lid blows up and down right 1:38:15.600 --> 1:38:17.880 and it's still functional, works, and don't worry about it. 1:38:17.920 --> 1:38:20.200 But you know, if it's causing that block, it's either 1:38:20.280 --> 1:38:21.840 keep it open because you're gonna have more cold air 1:38:21.880 --> 1:38:24.040 in your house, or you know, God forbid to go 1:38:24.080 --> 1:38:25.880 do laundry and you turn it on and that door 1:38:25.920 --> 1:38:28.040 doesn't open it and now all that exhaust is staying 1:38:28.080 --> 1:38:30.439 in your house. You don't want that, so just check it. 1:38:31.400 --> 1:38:35.400 Yeah, absolutely, and black events can also cause carbon monoxide issues, 1:38:36.080 --> 1:38:41.559 poor furnished performance, and again moisture problems, which we know 1:38:42.600 --> 1:38:46.519 except moisture problems can lead to mold other issues as well. 1:38:46.600 --> 1:38:49.479 But your house will smell like a dryer sheet, which 1:38:49.560 --> 1:38:55.040 is good, right, Oh, the dryers, the vented air stays inside, 1:38:55.080 --> 1:38:57.320 it's more humidity. And now you're gonna that that scent 1:38:57.360 --> 1:39:00.439 that stays in your close. Your whole house is gonna smell. No, 1:39:01.160 --> 1:39:02.599 sounds like it's a bounce house. 1:39:02.680 --> 1:39:08.000 I think that's wrong. I think we talked about because 1:39:08.120 --> 1:39:11.439 I don't know. Sometimes you say things and I have 1:39:11.479 --> 1:39:12.400 to question you. 1:39:12.400 --> 1:39:14.000 You're a real estate expert, What the hell do you 1:39:14.080 --> 1:39:17.240 now Anyway, my wife Michelle's here talking about ice damming 1:39:17.240 --> 1:39:19.200 and problems this summer with the severe cold. 1:39:20.479 --> 1:39:24.320 Yeah, exactly. So again, if you need you may need 1:39:24.320 --> 1:39:27.760 some help. We've had several home owners had problems with 1:39:27.840 --> 1:39:32.120 frozen pipe. If you open one of your thickets and 1:39:32.160 --> 1:39:34.640 it's on an outside wall and there's no water that 1:39:34.720 --> 1:39:38.240 comes out, it doesn't mean your waters off. It may 1:39:38.280 --> 1:39:41.679 mean that you have a frozen pipe. So you want 1:39:41.760 --> 1:39:44.640 to be really careful with that. Again, you may have 1:39:44.680 --> 1:39:46.880 to call a plumber or something if you're not a 1:39:46.960 --> 1:39:50.040 handy person. I've had some people use like a hair 1:39:50.160 --> 1:39:55.400 dryer to warm it up gradually so that that frozen 1:39:55.439 --> 1:40:00.400 pipe will unsaw. But we know the whole dripping action 1:40:00.880 --> 1:40:06.240 of keeping your doors open to your cabinet and making 1:40:06.240 --> 1:40:08.479 sure that there's air flow going in. 1:40:08.520 --> 1:40:10.719 The plumbers are going to be busy with the people 1:40:10.760 --> 1:40:12.559 if and we always we warn you know we do this. 1:40:12.560 --> 1:40:15.040 A segment is make sure in the in the fall, 1:40:15.120 --> 1:40:17.880 you are taking off the hoses on the outside of 1:40:17.920 --> 1:40:20.400 your house and people go live it's frost free. I've 1:40:20.400 --> 1:40:23.439 got a frost free one. Well, it's not freeze free, 1:40:23.439 --> 1:40:27.240 and especially the colder temperature that ice the ice in 1:40:27.240 --> 1:40:29.240 the hose will back up just like ice damming basically 1:40:29.280 --> 1:40:31.800 goes in and the the the energy from that will 1:40:31.840 --> 1:40:34.040 cause a copper pipe to split like a hot dog 1:40:34.080 --> 1:40:36.559 on a grill if you're not careful, if you don't 1:40:36.560 --> 1:40:38.800 take those things off, and if you don't have the 1:40:38.840 --> 1:40:40.840 frost free ones too, and you want to talk to 1:40:40.880 --> 1:40:43.439 a plumber about getting those changed out. If it looks 1:40:43.439 --> 1:40:45.640 like you know, this, this cold cold weather that we 1:40:45.720 --> 1:40:47.719 have is going to be every year and we're getting 1:40:47.720 --> 1:40:49.680 colder and colder, then you definitely want to do that. 1:40:50.040 --> 1:40:51.439 I know it's a little expensive, but it beats a 1:40:51.479 --> 1:40:53.920 flooded basement or wherever it might be, you know, to 1:40:53.960 --> 1:40:56.080 keep it out. If you have an unfinished basement, that's 1:40:56.120 --> 1:40:57.880 good because then you can actually see it. You'll see 1:40:57.880 --> 1:40:59.960 it when it you'll go around and go where all 1:41:00.240 --> 1:41:02.759 water come from, like the Titanic, where all's water come from. 1:41:03.240 --> 1:41:05.160 It's coming from a type. It's splint and it's not 1:41:05.200 --> 1:41:07.920 going to happen today, but it might happen sometime next 1:41:07.920 --> 1:41:10.080 week as the temperatures warm Upper shot in the spring, 1:41:10.120 --> 1:41:13.720 and plumbers are hell busy because of that. So the 1:41:13.760 --> 1:41:15.160 wettest stop at is take that home. 1:41:16.160 --> 1:41:20.680 Yeah, the freezing thaw, freezing saw. To look around and 1:41:20.720 --> 1:41:23.639 this is really important, I think, just to know what's 1:41:23.680 --> 1:41:26.120 going on in your own home. Take a look around 1:41:26.200 --> 1:41:29.160 your foundation, look on the inside in your lower level, 1:41:29.760 --> 1:41:32.160 take a look at small cracks. Make sure that you're 1:41:32.160 --> 1:41:36.040 not seeing any water see in those areas. The other 1:41:36.120 --> 1:41:39.439 thing is right now is a good time because once 1:41:39.560 --> 1:41:43.879 all of this snow melt, your some pump is going. 1:41:43.760 --> 1:41:46.840 To be in over dry facts. 1:41:47.280 --> 1:41:49.280 So that some pump you want to test it. You 1:41:49.360 --> 1:41:51.519 want to make sure that it's working. And Scott, how 1:41:51.520 --> 1:41:51.960 do you do that? 1:41:54.360 --> 1:41:57.479 I've talked about this enough. You should know. I do know. 1:41:57.600 --> 1:42:01.240 You got a it's poor, a bucket of water, just. 1:42:01.240 --> 1:42:05.840 Like Okay, get this. This is the bet the bed 1:42:05.960 --> 1:42:08.320 is I'm the expert. Okay, a man explain it to you. Yeah, 1:42:08.360 --> 1:42:09.800 you're right, get it. Get a bucket. If you got 1:42:09.800 --> 1:42:11.479 a five gollond bucket better, it's fewer trips and you 1:42:11.600 --> 1:42:14.439 dump the water in there and when that float comes up, 1:42:14.520 --> 1:42:16.519 it should eject all that water. If it doesn't, you 1:42:16.600 --> 1:42:19.320 got problems. But typically you're not going to check you know, 1:42:19.439 --> 1:42:22.000 maybe maybe you haven't checked it in a while, you know, 1:42:22.080 --> 1:42:24.240 if you have a finished basement, you definitely want to 1:42:24.280 --> 1:42:26.479 invest in some sort of backup system. You want to 1:42:26.560 --> 1:42:29.120 check it right now? Probably not because that water's going 1:42:29.160 --> 1:42:31.360 to freeze coming back out. Yes, I'm meant to do that. 1:42:31.720 --> 1:42:33.719 Also when you're shoveling too, if you haven't done this ready, 1:42:34.160 --> 1:42:36.599 just try to keep it away from the foundation anywhere 1:42:36.640 --> 1:42:39.240 with the foundation. Get that snow away from the house, 1:42:39.280 --> 1:42:41.280 because if you just pile it up against you know, well, 1:42:41.280 --> 1:42:43.360 I'll just pile it over here against the foundations. Great, 1:42:43.360 --> 1:42:45.040 it's cold, but it's gonna melt and go straight down 1:42:45.520 --> 1:42:48.679 and that taxes further your whole drainage system. So try 1:42:48.720 --> 1:42:50.599 to get that, you know, good, three to four feet 1:42:50.640 --> 1:42:53.080 away from around. You don't have to. I don't think 1:42:53.080 --> 1:42:55.839 I'll go and shovel around your house. You know where 1:42:55.920 --> 1:42:57.800 the wall is. But you know what I'm saying. 1:42:57.960 --> 1:43:00.479 No, but you don't want six feet of snow piled 1:43:00.520 --> 1:43:01.920 up again career foundings. 1:43:02.080 --> 1:43:03.000 Yeah, that's that's just. 1:43:02.960 --> 1:43:05.439 A problem, exactly, exactly all right. 1:43:05.479 --> 1:43:08.320 My wife Michelle Sloan Bloone sells homes dot com openhouse show. 1:43:08.880 --> 1:43:11.240 You can hear that via the iHeartRadio app for free. 1:43:11.280 --> 1:43:13.600 You can check out the YouTube channel as well, and 1:43:13.720 --> 1:43:16.599 she jumps in every Thursday to talk about stuff like this. Okay, 1:43:16.640 --> 1:43:18.719 so ice damming and some pumps. That's what you gotta 1:43:18.720 --> 1:43:20.559 worry about right now, all right, Love, you gotta go, 1:43:20.560 --> 1:43:22.880 Gotta go. Willie is standing by next right afternoons back 1:43:22.880 --> 1:43:25.000 here tomorrow nine oh six Scott Sloan Show, Home of 1:43:25.000 --> 1:43:27.160 the Red, seven hundred WW Cincinnati,