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Speaker 1: bit later on tonight. Also, Steve Gorham is coming up
Speaker 1: fresh off of the cop the COP thirty as it
Speaker 1: was called in Brazil, the latest climate conference. They do
Speaker 1: this every year, and we'll see what kind of crazy
Speaker 1: notions they cooked up there. You may have seen the
Speaker 1: videos of Ikopod crane with better hair, Gavin Newsom, who
Speaker 1: was spending time away from the state he's supposed to
Speaker 1: be governing, and up in tree stands in the rainforest. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he's a fruitcake my opinion. We'll talk to Steve Gorham
Speaker 1: about what was accomplished, what wasn't accomplished at the COP
Speaker 1: thirty and is there any kind of actual data and
Speaker 1: truth coming out of these conferences anymore? Or is it
Speaker 1: just to keep the money train rolling so they can
Speaker 1: continue to live off of everyone else and redistribute funds
Speaker 1: all over the world from the workingman's pocket into theirs
Speaker 1: again my opinion anyway. Steve Gorham coming up and Andy
Speaker 1: Fourman before the Night is Done? Coming up next from
Speaker 1: Gun Owners of America. Stephen Williford, the hero of Sutherland Springs, Texas,
Speaker 1: joins us once again. I hope you'll dig in and enjoy.
Speaker 1: It's the night cap and we are ready to roll.
Speaker 1: Next on seven hundred wlw oh a chance to visit
Speaker 1: again with the hero of Sutherland Springs, Texas, the one
Speaker 1: and only Stephen Williford, who is in the middle of
Speaker 1: babysitting as we speak. Gun Owners of America, of course,
Speaker 1: is Steven's cause and the cause for all of America's
Speaker 1: right to own and bear firearms. It should be everybody's cause.
Speaker 1: But Stephen, how are you doing?
Speaker 2: I am joined superb So.
Speaker 1: You got grandchild there with you?
Speaker 3: Yes, less than a month old, and and yes we're
Speaker 3: headed to take my daughter to the dentist and I
Speaker 3: get to hold onto my.
Speaker 4: Grand baby while she's having work done.
Speaker 5: So that's what we're doing today.
Speaker 1: So how many grand babies is this for you?
Speaker 3: This is my night night the oldest and they all
Speaker 3: live on my property and the oldest is seven.
Speaker 4: So that's phenomenous.
Speaker 3: Lots of grand babies all the time out of the house, and.
Speaker 5: So I'm truly blessed.
Speaker 1: It sounds like it. It sounds like it. What's new
Speaker 1: on the Second Amendment front with going Unners of America.
Speaker 3: Well, obviously we're in the fight to get the get
Speaker 3: the short bell rifles, shot gun and suppressors off the NFA,
Speaker 3: and we've even gotten with the Second Amendment Caucus, and
Speaker 3: the Second Amendment Caucus is gone to Sam Boondian and
Speaker 3: President Trump and had requested that Pam Boondi get on
Speaker 3: board with this and so that we can uh for
Speaker 3: your listeners, the big beautiful bill. We were able to
Speaker 3: pull the.
Speaker 6: Pack off of suppossor shortbell rifles and shotguns, and we
Speaker 6: tried to get him to pull him off the n
Speaker 6: A thing, which is National Firems Act altogether.
Speaker 4: And the unelected bureaucrat, a parliamentarian, refused to do that,
Speaker 4: and so it went. I hadn't passed where.
Speaker 6: She did away with the packs, but it's still in
Speaker 6: the registreet and so right away Gonna America filed to
Speaker 6: fill or filed the lawsuit to get them pulled off
Speaker 6: of the NBA because it's not attacked and it's a regulation.
Speaker 6: And in nineteen thirty four when it passed, that's a
Speaker 6: prepty has said it cannot be a regulation. It can
Speaker 6: be attacked, but it cannot be a regulation. So now
Speaker 6: we have fouled because it's no longer attacked, but it
Speaker 6: must be a regulation. And I would even say the
Speaker 6: tack on one of our god given rights, the Bill
Speaker 6: of Right, is a unconstitutional attack, and that has been
Speaker 6: proven with the cold pack stuff like that also.
Speaker 1: But let me let me Steven, let me ask you,
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Why is the Attorney General
Speaker 1: Pam Bondi balking at doing what we would figure she
Speaker 1: knows is right?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Why she has she given a reason for maintaining this.
Speaker 4: You know, she claims to be the the best to
Speaker 4: a attorney general in history, and that has been proven untrue.
Speaker 3: She is she is.
Speaker 4: Fighting us with several of Biden administrations encroachments on our
Speaker 4: Second Amendment, and Gun Owners of America is calling her
Speaker 4: out at every step of the way. Please go to
Speaker 4: Gun Owners dot or org and sign up. President Trump
Speaker 4: told her at the beginning of the administration go back
Speaker 4: through all of these regulations and do away with them.
Speaker 6: And she has chosen not to do that.
Speaker 4: And you know, when lawsuits come up, she could say
Speaker 4: the Department of Justice and he's with the Second Amendment
Speaker 4: found base and then gun Owners of a need blocksuit
Speaker 4: and instead to see it doubling down on the Biden administration. Uh,
Speaker 4: infringements on our Second amend. Please go to gud the
Speaker 4: Owners dot o rt and sign up to be part
Speaker 4: of the solution.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: Because we're we're fighting medicine. We have to send out
Speaker 4: a message to Donald Trump him her in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean the the attorney general is supposed
Speaker 1: to be independent. However, Donald Trump appointed her attorney general
Speaker 1: to enact his agenda and the people that voted for him,
Speaker 1: who support him, that definitely support fewer regulations, especially on
Speaker 1: a Second Amendment. Right, Stephen, listen, I'm gonna let you
Speaker 1: go ahead and continue your babysitting duties. It's a little
Speaker 1: bit noisy, but I appreciate your time tonight. Brother. Okay,
Speaker 1: God bless you.
Speaker 3: I'm really really sorry about that, but God list you too,
Speaker 3: and thank.
Speaker 1: You ver, don't be sorry about it. Babies come, babies
Speaker 1: come first. Man Stephen Williford from Gun Owners of America,
Speaker 1: and if you're interested in this topic, go to Gun
Speaker 1: owners of America dot com and find out a lot
Speaker 1: more about letting your voice be heard. All right, because
Speaker 1: one gun guy isn't enough, let's make it too. I
Speaker 1: felt bad for Stephen. He was traveling in a car
Speaker 1: with a grand baby on his lap, and you may
Speaker 1: not have gotten all of the things he was saying
Speaker 1: about these restrictions that our Attorney General Pam Bondy has
Speaker 1: still been reticent to lift, even though the Trump administration
Speaker 1: insisted they were going to be a second a friendly administration,
Speaker 1: and I believe overall they have been to talk about
Speaker 1: that and more. Mister goodgunbadguy dot com himself, Dan was
Speaker 1: joins us for a few more minutes. So Dan, Stephen
Speaker 1: is telling me about the restrictions on these short barrel
Speaker 1: and other things, and maybe you can explain a little
Speaker 1: bit better, so you know, the layman who doesn't have
Speaker 1: an arsenal at their house like maybe you do, will understand.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 8: Well, thanks for having me on the show, Gary, Jeff
Speaker 8: I hope I can, hope, I can maybe give you
Speaker 8: a few bullet points in a whole time we have.
Speaker 9: But if Stephen hasn't already mentioned it, the NFA was
Speaker 9: the original gun registry scheme back in nineteen nineteen thirty four,
Speaker 9: and it was under Roosevelt, I believe, and he decided
Speaker 9: to create this law because well under the guys of
Speaker 9: you know, gangsters and prohibition and all that stuff. So
Speaker 9: they use that as an excuse to create this National
Speaker 9: Fighter Arms Act, which was a gun registry and attacks
Speaker 9: on the specific items if you had them. It was
Speaker 9: a two hundred dollars tax on you know, short shortbell rifle,
Speaker 9: short bell shotguns, suppressors and machine guns and some other
Speaker 9: explosive type devices. Recently we got rid of that two
Speaker 9: hundred dollars tax, which means there's no reason any longer
Speaker 9: for the registry.
Speaker 8: But apparently some people in our government still think that
Speaker 8: the registry is necessary. And that is probably the worst part,
Speaker 8: because we all know what happens after guns are registered.
Speaker 8: You know that that's that leads to confiscation, and and
Speaker 8: we don't we don't want our names on any government list.
Speaker 1: No, no, I'm sure my name is on several of them,
Speaker 1: and probably yours too, just because of the nature of
Speaker 1: the stuff we talk about on a regular basis and espouse.
Speaker 1: By the way, as an aside, what's up with your governor, Hokeel,
Speaker 1: they're shooting her bubble gun? Did you see that?
Speaker 8: I didn't see that. But she is. She is a clown,
Speaker 8: and she's gonna do anything she can right now to
Speaker 8: be pretend to be relevant. But at least the phonic well,
Speaker 8: I happen to know. I've done a few, a few
Speaker 8: speaking events.
Speaker 1: I like her.
Speaker 8: Fantastic woman, and she's gonna she's gonna clean vocals, She's
Speaker 8: gonna clean hold clock good.
Speaker 1: Somebody needs to Yeah, you know what, Hochel is a
Speaker 1: perfect representation of people standing in the way of our
Speaker 1: constitutional rights in this country time after time after time.
Speaker 1: And it's not just about guns. It's not just about
Speaker 1: the Second Amendment, but about many of the things that
Speaker 1: are guaranteed to us by God according to the Founding
Speaker 1: Fathers in the Bill of Rights, and they those rights
Speaker 1: are restricted or blocked by people who are unelected bureaucrats.
Speaker 1: Kathy Hochel was appointed to that position as governor of
Speaker 1: New York and then because you live thanks to New
Speaker 1: York City in a one party state, got re elected
Speaker 1: as governor in a close fight against lee Zelden. But again,
Speaker 1: the unelected bureaucrats, the administrative state in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: Whomever it may be, the ones that are beholden to
Speaker 1: these regulations and anequated acts and unconstitutional things that have
Speaker 1: been done by our government are not elected. Many cases,
Speaker 1: they're appointed, or they just fail up through the ranks,
Speaker 1: and they stand in the way of the American citizen
Speaker 1: and true liberty, do they not?
Speaker 8: Yeah, and you sound like you're talking about at F. Uh,
Speaker 8: you know people people in the ATF, because a lot
Speaker 8: of times they create these policies, these firearm policies and
Speaker 8: basically turn gun owners into felons overnight without anybody voting
Speaker 8: for this stuff. So that's one of one of the
Speaker 8: problems we have. As second i'm in advocates and is
Speaker 8: the ATF. It hasn't been run. It hasn't been run, right,
Speaker 8: And you're you know, the unelected bureaucrats that are involved,
Speaker 8: they're really taking advantage. But of course the Democrats, you know,
Speaker 8: cheer them on every every chance they get.
Speaker 1: Well, because uh, an armed citizenry is a threat to
Speaker 1: their their ultimate takeover of power. I think that's as
Speaker 1: simple as as I can make it there. But but
Speaker 1: the ATF is another example, another example of of a
Speaker 1: government agency that simply shouldn't exist. I think, what do
Speaker 1: you think about that? What would you think about the
Speaker 1: elimination of alcohol, tobacco, firearms explosives as an agency in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C.
Speaker 8: Well, well, first of all, what are they doing with
Speaker 8: respect to alcohol or tobacco?
Speaker 2: Nothing?
Speaker 8: Right, I don't know you ever hear anything? No that
Speaker 8: that agency is pretty much designed to regulate firearms. And
Speaker 8: it's I never voted for anybody on the ATF, did
Speaker 8: you no?
Speaker 1: And our constitution doesn't call for an ATF to be
Speaker 1: a part of our government that makes decisions on the
Speaker 1: everyday citizens' lives.
Speaker 8: Exactly. This is, you know, this is why we have
Speaker 8: groups like in honors of America Second Amendment Foundation, the
Speaker 8: NRA Firearms Policy Coalition, And we had to have these groups.
Speaker 8: We the people created these groups because we saw that
Speaker 8: regardless of what our founding father said, right the people
Speaker 8: to keep them bear arms shall not be infringed, they
Speaker 8: still infringe. So we needed more leverage and more tools
Speaker 8: to fight them back in court. And so I just
Speaker 8: urge everybody to sign up with your with your favorite
Speaker 8: national group and give them your money for the membership
Speaker 8: because they need it for these court cases.
Speaker 1: All Right, Dan was thank you as always my friend,
Speaker 1: Good Gunbadguy dot com. You can find him there, You
Speaker 1: can find him loaded mic on YouTube, and many many
Speaker 1: times you'll find him in publications like AMMO Land and
Speaker 1: the like. Dan was back with us again tonight for
Speaker 1: a brief moment or two, and we appreciate it. Mighty
Speaker 1: John Marshall is coming up at the top of the
Speaker 1: hour with a brand new list from Moneymusic dot Com
Speaker 1: valuable Vinyl that you may be holding on to find
Speaker 1: out in just a few The one question on a
Speaker 1: lot of people's minds is what is AI really and
Speaker 1: are we in any danger not only as human beings
Speaker 1: but as a country when it comes to the AI
Speaker 1: war that's being waged right now between communist China and
Speaker 1: the United States and the rest of the world. Really,
Speaker 1: China wants to be the dominant AI manufacturer or I
Speaker 1: don't even know if manufacturer is the correct word, but
Speaker 1: they want to be the dominant country in AI artificial intelligence,
Speaker 1: and so does the United States, and the President and
Speaker 1: his cabinet, his administration have made major moves in the
Speaker 1: last few months to try and make sure the United
Speaker 1: States is dominant and communist China. This has been their
Speaker 1: goal for a long long time in there still doggingly
Speaker 1: pursuing it. So to talk about all of that, we've
Speaker 1: got a disaster response Telecom National security person from SAT
Speaker 1: one two three, a season entrepreneur with career spanning tech, satellite,
Speaker 1: communications and emerging technologies, i e. AI. Chris Hohrer joining
Speaker 1: us for a few minutes. Chris, good evening and how
Speaker 1: are you.
Speaker 7: I'm great and good evening to you, Jeff.
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me on the show.
Speaker 1: You bet you so you worked? How long have you
Speaker 1: been working in emerging technologies? For example? Has this been
Speaker 1: your whole career.
Speaker 7: It's been a lot of it for about the last
Speaker 7: twenty years, but particularly in the last ten looking at
Speaker 7: specifically data storage, cloud compute and so on, and of
Speaker 7: course that merged into what's become AI. And AI certainly
Speaker 7: is a tool that many people are starting to use,
Speaker 7: but behind the scene, it's been in use for quite
Speaker 7: some time, and it's being put in charge of all
Speaker 7: kinds of systems, from communications to transportation to and now
Speaker 7: we're seeing it creep into weapons. So this is certainly,
Speaker 7: I would say, a war for dominance. And the CCP
Speaker 7: with their latest five year plan which ends in twenty thirty,
Speaker 7: the goal of that five year plan is to completely
Speaker 7: dominate the production of equipment and software and everything else
Speaker 7: regarding AI, and so they're looking for world domination.
Speaker 1: The Center for Security Policy put out a report that
Speaker 1: said artificial intelligence is the new Cold War between the
Speaker 1: US and China. Before you thought of a cold war
Speaker 1: as the nuclear arms race, and this is the AI
Speaker 1: arms race. They've been warning that the Chinese Cammunist Party,
Speaker 1: as you said, right there, on the verge of becoming
Speaker 1: the world's leader in artificial intelligence, and if they succeed
Speaker 1: in this domination by twenty thirty, will be relegated to
Speaker 1: a second rate power and worse the US. One of
Speaker 1: the things that dominate the discussion on AI is the intense,
Speaker 1: extreme amounts of energy it takes to operate the data
Speaker 1: centers and AI and keep it going. And Communist China,
Speaker 1: China is building like a fossil fuel powered plant, a
Speaker 1: coal burning energy plant. Almost every week, and they have
Speaker 1: been for quite a while. Well, the US was held
Speaker 1: back in our energy pursuits by the previous administration and
Speaker 1: this Green New Deal mentality that has proven to be
Speaker 1: based on false computer modeling and bad data, bad science.
Speaker 1: And now we're back up to speed. And many of
Speaker 1: these data centers that are going in in the United
Speaker 1: States have their own power plants, isn't that true?
Speaker 7: Well yeah, look, I mean there's two things required for
Speaker 7: the production of AI overall. One is rare earth elements,
Speaker 7: which the Chinese have been doing a good job, unfortunately
Speaker 7: rolling up around the world.
Speaker 5: Right now they control.
Speaker 7: Sixty to seventy percent of the world's production of rare
Speaker 7: earth elements. But more importantly, they've become masters and have
Speaker 7: them really monopoly on the refining of these elements, where
Speaker 7: they're looking at around ninety percent of market dominance in
Speaker 7: the refining of these elements. And what these elements do
Speaker 7: is everything from provide they enable us to create screens,
Speaker 7: fiber optics, and chips all that are essential for running AI.
Speaker 7: But yeah, the Chinese certainly have long anticipated the need
Speaker 7: for immense amounts of power, and outside of coal, they've
Speaker 7: also unfortunately stolen us innovation in the nuclear industry that
Speaker 7: we innovations that we created in the sixties, seventies and
Speaker 7: eighties and then abandoned. They've picked up on as such
Speaker 7: as fast breeder reactors and gas called reactors. So they
Speaker 7: have certainly seen this coming and they've been thinking moves
Speaker 7: for many years. So we certainly need to be fighting back.
Speaker 7: But they're also now using as our others AI for
Speaker 7: cyber warfare. We've been in cyber warfare as far as
Speaker 7: I'm concerned, for many years, but it's heating up with
Speaker 7: AI because of the amount of queries that can be
Speaker 7: run and the amount of intrusions that could be operated autonomously,
Speaker 7: and so that is certainly a big threat to us
Speaker 7: at the moment.
Speaker 1: You talk us about talk about the United States being
Speaker 1: relegated to a second tier power. If the CCP actually
Speaker 1: achieves their goal here in the next five years, what
Speaker 1: are the biggest dangers to everyday life in America if
Speaker 1: the CCP is dominating AI and to we're lagging behind.
Speaker 7: Well, Look, I mean AI can be used for many things.
Speaker 7: One is manipulation of facts, and you can create its
Speaker 7: own facts, of course, or it can position facts, or
Speaker 7: or you know in a way that suits them. It
Speaker 7: can also normalize that hardent behavior by just repeating it
Speaker 7: consistently throughout the social media networks and that are around
Speaker 7: the world that we all rely on and use every
Speaker 7: single day. But it can also control the standards, and
Speaker 7: that's what we don't want to see. We have long
Speaker 7: time here in the US controlled the standards for electronics
Speaker 7: and software, and so they've had to kind of live
Speaker 7: with those. But if we let AI control and dominate
Speaker 7: the standards, we let trying to control and dominate the
Speaker 7: standards of AI, and then I think that's worrisome because,
Speaker 7: like the US is a country based on religious Christian values,
Speaker 7: and China it doesn't have that to get those kind
Speaker 7: of guardrails. I mean, some would say that it has Confucianism,
Speaker 7: which you know, does have its own set of values. Maybe,
Speaker 7: but I think it's a little worrying. I mean, China
Speaker 7: and the CCP seem to use values to further their
Speaker 7: own call and they change them depending on what is
Speaker 7: the what are the goals of the CCP at any
Speaker 7: given time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was talking to another guest earlier in the week, Chris,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about well, yeah, Christianity is allowed in
Speaker 1: communists China, but they've rewritten the Bible for the CCP's
Speaker 1: otal purposes. So yeah, that kind of manipulation has already
Speaker 1: gone on in communists China. Imagine them being able to
Speaker 1: through technology, spread it to the rest of the world,
Speaker 1: including our part of the world. That is pretty scary
Speaker 1: in and of itself. But what's what's the answer for
Speaker 1: the United States?
Speaker 7: Well, I think the answer is.
Speaker 3: Look, I mean, if you're a university of private company.
Speaker 7: And you're developing technology, you are basically obliged to share
Speaker 7: that with the government. You don't really get any choice
Speaker 7: in that. And so they've used that system to enrich
Speaker 7: their knowledge and create you know, these huge markets that
Speaker 7: they have, and of course they also produce everything, right,
Speaker 7: so they kind of can have the ability to control
Speaker 7: and produce from any kind of innovation that goes on inside.
Speaker 6: The country, as well as trying to steal our innovation.
Speaker 1: So I think we need to.
Speaker 7: Be more guarded about our technology and our ip but
Speaker 7: the government certainly, you know, should and I think it's
Speaker 7: starting to enable private companies, you know, to fill these
Speaker 7: roles that are going to be needed, whether it's you know,
Speaker 7: software creation, LLLM creation.
Speaker 5: Or elsewhere.
Speaker 7: But the government needs to work in conjunction with private
Speaker 7: business as far as enabling it and cutting the red tape.
Speaker 7: You know, I mean, this is a war, and you know,
Speaker 7: I don't think the government should be allowed to do anything.
Speaker 7: They should enable us to do anything that is going
Speaker 7: to help protect this country going forward.
Speaker 1: Well, President Trump is on record as saying he's you know,
Speaker 1: against over exerted government regulations, and he definitely, I think
Speaker 1: from listening to him speak on this subject, seems to
Speaker 1: be well aware of how important this is for the
Speaker 1: country and for the world, for us to be the leader,
Speaker 1: and he understands what the stakes are. Don't you think
Speaker 1: he does?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he does.
Speaker 7: You know, but this isn't something that you can just
Speaker 7: change over night with a snap of your fingers. Obviously,
Speaker 7: you know, we've got years of regulations we need to
Speaker 7: roll back. We need to and are starting to enable
Speaker 7: private companies to.
Speaker 5: Build power plunts that are not.
Speaker 7: You know, not recognized as utilities, but so they can
Speaker 7: build data centers and build power blunts right next to them.
Speaker 7: And I think New Hampshire is the first state to
Speaker 7: enable that.
Speaker 1: But so we need to make sure we have the power.
Speaker 7: We need to make sure we have the access to
Speaker 7: and refining capability for the rare earth elements, and then
Speaker 7: we need to do what we're best at, which is innovate. Look,
Speaker 7: we've always been the innovators here in the US, and
Speaker 7: we cannot afford to lose that. So we need to
Speaker 7: invest in innovation and I think that should come from
Speaker 7: the private sector mostly, but the government certainly can help
Speaker 7: by enabling the private sector to innovate through tax breaks
Speaker 7: and the reduction in regulation.
Speaker 1: There you go. Chris Horror from SAT. One two three
Speaker 1: on AI and the not coming the present Cold War
Speaker 1: between the United States and communists China. Chris, thank you
Speaker 1: for your time tonight. I really appreciate it. Thanks a lot,
Speaker 1: Jeff chairs you bet cheers. I love that. So just
Speaker 1: ahead we will have Mark Lee Gardner, who has got
Speaker 1: a book called called Brothers of the Gun about Wyatt
Speaker 1: Arp and Doc Holiday and the real life friendship between
Speaker 1: the two men throughout all of their lives. And before
Speaker 1: that's Steve goream with a report on the COP thirty
Speaker 1: Climate conference going on in Beliem, Brazil. It's the Nightcap,
Speaker 1: and we roll on on seven hundred WLW it is
Speaker 1: the Nightcap and rejoining us as an old friend. The
Speaker 1: executive director of the Climate Science Coalition, the author of
Speaker 1: the four amazing books on climate change and the Mad, Mad,
Speaker 1: Mad World of Climatism, the latest, of course, green Breakdown,
Speaker 1: which he has forecasts we are headed for headlong unless
Speaker 1: we resist the move to energy providing sources that simply
Speaker 1: don't work. Steve Gorham is back on the Nightcap. Hello, Steve,
Speaker 1: how are you hi?
Speaker 2: Gary? Jeff?
Speaker 5: Great to join you again. I'm doing great.
Speaker 1: Ten years after the Paris Climate Agreement, which thankfully the
Speaker 1: President has pulled us out of again COP thirty, the
Speaker 1: United Nations Climate Conference underway and Bilim, Brazil. What's going
Speaker 1: on at the conference this year? Steve?
Speaker 10: Yeah, almost over this is they again have over fifty
Speaker 10: thousand people. Now, Bulim is not a big city, so
Speaker 10: I guess the housing prices are real high. But we've
Speaker 10: had a lot of world leaders that have not attended.
Speaker 10: The President of China, the President of India, and of
Speaker 10: course the US delegation. President Donald Trump sent zero people.
Speaker 5: To this one.
Speaker 2: But you know you need to ask.
Speaker 10: This is the thirtieth conference of the parties have been
Speaker 10: going on since nineteen ninety five, and the question is
Speaker 10: what is this done outside of omitting all this carbon
Speaker 10: dioxide from hol of debts that are flying people there.
Speaker 5: According to the Energy.
Speaker 10: Institute, in twenty twenty four, we still had eighty seven
Speaker 10: percent of the world's energy was delivered by hydrocarbons, by coal, gas,
Speaker 10: and oil. And that's despite the fact that we had
Speaker 10: four hundred thousand wind turbans installed. Renewables were only about
Speaker 10: thirteen percent of energy. So and then, by the way,
Speaker 10: there's nuclear in there as well. So this is just
Speaker 10: not having any effect really, And unfortunately we have all
Speaker 10: these people saying that this is this is what we
Speaker 10: need to save the planet. They should call this the
Speaker 10: Conference of Superstition rather than the Conference of the Parties.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, as an American representative, I guess you could count
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom, the governor of California. He's been famously making
Speaker 1: photo ops from Cop thirty and still touting this nonsense
Speaker 1: without anything to back it up.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he was just down there talking about how California
Speaker 10: is doing all this the renewable energy. But you know this,
Speaker 10: the latest word is affordability crisis by the Democrats. But
Speaker 10: that's exactly what we have in California. In terms of energy.
Speaker 10: California has the second highest electricity prices in the country.
Speaker 10: They've increased more than one hundred percent in the last
Speaker 10: fifteen years. They're rapidly approaching Hawaii to try and pass Hawaii.
Speaker 10: They have the highest gasoline prices in the country. They
Speaker 10: have grid scale batteries that are burning up after being
Speaker 10: installed only two or three years. You know, it's just
Speaker 10: it's still Stevens what you shouldn't do.
Speaker 1: It's all taxes and regulations in California's behalf. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's no reason. There's no reason for anybody in this
Speaker 1: country to be paying close to five dollars a gallon
Speaker 1: for gas at the pump. There's simply no reason for it.
Speaker 1: There is no reason for people not to be able
Speaker 1: to buy a natural gas stove if they'd like to,
Speaker 1: or to have to cut their ac off in the
Speaker 1: middle of one of those wonderful California heat waves. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's all nuts. There's no there's no common sense being
Speaker 1: applied at all to California's energy part policy. Would you
Speaker 1: agree with that?
Speaker 5: I would agree with that.
Speaker 10: It's it's just very foolish in many, many ways, and
Speaker 10: they're pushing these zero missions vehicles. Hydrogen costs twice as
Speaker 10: much to refuel, and evs cost twenty percent more to buy,
Speaker 10: and if you don't have a charger at home, it's
Speaker 10: going to cost a lot more to a charge on
Speaker 10: the road. It's just not good policy in any case.
Speaker 10: It's not going to have a measurable effect on sea
Speaker 10: levels or storms or anything else. It's just not going
Speaker 10: to do any of that. All it is is going
Speaker 10: to impact consumers and businesses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, earlier this month, Bill get Bill Gates kind of
Speaker 1: stepped away from calling what we're going through a climate catastrophe,
Speaker 1: and you know, he hedged his bets. He hemmed and
Speaker 1: hawed and act like, well, it's still very important, but
Speaker 1: it's not the doomsday I always claimed it was.
Speaker 5: Now this is a huge turnaround. Mister Gates is one
Speaker 5: of the well fathiest men in the world, the multi billionaire.
Speaker 10: He's given millions of dollars to his foundations to fight
Speaker 10: climate change over the last several decades.
Speaker 5: In twenty twenty.
Speaker 10: One, he wrote the book How to Avoid a Climate Disaster.
Speaker 10: But then just before the cop conference, he sent an
Speaker 10: email to cop and put it on his website, and
Speaker 10: he basically changed his position.
Speaker 5: He said, quote that.
Speaker 10: Climate change is a serious problem, but it will not
Speaker 10: be the end of civilization. He also said that quote,
Speaker 10: Unfortunately the doomsday outlook is causing much of the climate
Speaker 10: community to focus too much on near term emission schoals.
Speaker 10: He said, quote, our chief goal should be to prevent suffering,
Speaker 10: particularly for those in the toughest conditions, who live in
Speaker 10: the world's poorest countries. So this is a huge turnaround,
Speaker 10: and he's been criticized both by from the climatists and
Speaker 10: also from the skeptics, but he's finally he see's embraced
Speaker 10: common sense, in my opinion, and we're looking for many
Speaker 10: of the rest of the world to do this as well.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: We're talking about COP thirty going on in Brazil with
Speaker 1: these countries, some of them participating from around the world.
Speaker 1: A lot of liberal political parties, who were, you know,
Speaker 1: really banging the drum for renewables and wind and solar
Speaker 1: and anything but fossil fuels. A number of political parties
Speaker 1: are pushing back now against the climatism and net zero policy.
Speaker 10: Yeah, another big, big trend. Of course, we have mister
Speaker 10: Trump and the Republicans in the United States that have
Speaker 10: pushed down on climate But in the United Kingdom, for example,
Speaker 10: we have the Reform UK Party which has now been
Speaker 10: pulling the top in the government. They haven't taken over
Speaker 10: the government yet, but they have their highest all the Poles,
Speaker 10: led by Nigel Farage. They've coined the phrase quote net
Speaker 10: stupid zero. They want to get rid of this net
Speaker 10: zero thing. And then in the alternative in Germany, we
Speaker 10: have the Alternative for Deutschland, which is polling number two,
Speaker 10: a right wing party, and the candidate for Chancellor, Elis Weidel,
Speaker 10: has called the wind turbans windmills of shame, and the
Speaker 10: plank of their party is to tear down all the
Speaker 10: wind turbans in Germany, which is the highest dancing in
Speaker 10: the world, is more than twenty thousand wind turbans. And
Speaker 10: then in Germany, and then in just the last several
Speaker 10: weeks we've had two parties in Australia that have said
Speaker 10: they're getting rid of net zero. The Nationals Party voted
Speaker 10: to get rid of it, and the leader there, David
Speaker 10: littl Proud, said quote, we believe in reducing emissions, but
Speaker 10: not at any cost. And then the Liberal Party also
Speaker 10: voted against net zero. So these are really big changes,
Speaker 10: and they're going to you know, this might be the
Speaker 10: last time we have a cop or it might just
Speaker 10: kind of decay away and did nothing over the next
Speaker 10: few years.
Speaker 1: Well, even Greta Tunberg's worried about Hamas and Palestinians.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In your most recent column or article in the Wall
Speaker 1: Street Journal, you pointed out that electricity prices are rising
Speaker 1: fastest in states that are pursuing green energy policies. I
Speaker 1: mean New Jersey. This was a big thing in New Jersey, yep.
Speaker 1: And it's a big thing in New York too. Haven't
Speaker 1: we always been told that wind and solar are the
Speaker 1: ways of the future and the cheapest forms of electricity.
Speaker 1: Nothing could be farther from the truth, right.
Speaker 5: Well, that is right.
Speaker 10: And by the way, this was a little bit of
Speaker 10: a response to an article in the Journal.
Speaker 5: From Ram Emanuel.
Speaker 10: The former Democrat mayor of Chicago and White House Chief
Speaker 10: of Staff and the Obama administration. He said that bigger
Speaker 10: electric bills are the direct result of the One Big.
Speaker 5: Beautiful Bill Act.
Speaker 10: The problem with that common and is the Act only
Speaker 10: took place in July, and the subsidy cuts for wind
Speaker 10: and solar from the Act don't happen for another year
Speaker 10: or two. But if you look over the last five years,
Speaker 10: you see that, particularly in the Blue states, the Democrat states,
Speaker 10: we see these prices rising. California up fifty eight percent
Speaker 10: in the last five years, Maine, New York, Maryland, Massachusetts,
Speaker 10: Connecticut up more than thirty percent in five years. The
Speaker 10: national average electricity price has only gone up about twenty
Speaker 10: two percent. And actually Ohio's doing pretty good in this regard.
Speaker 10: Ohio's only up let's see, I'm going to get my
Speaker 10: number here, only twenty point seven percent in the last
Speaker 10: five years. And one of the reasons in Ohio is,
Speaker 10: unlike all these Blue states, you still get fifty three
Speaker 10: percent of your electricity from natural gas, twenty nine percent
Speaker 10: from coal, fifteen percent from nuclear. Renewable is only about
Speaker 10: two percent of your electricity in Ohio. And we find
Speaker 10: the states that have not switched over to try and
Speaker 10: do wind in solar, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Missouri, that still
Speaker 10: have a lot of natural gas are doing much better
Speaker 10: as far as prices. So the whole idea that if
Speaker 10: you go green, the price comes down is really not
Speaker 10: borne out by the evidence.
Speaker 1: Energy Green Energy Breakdown is the most recent book by
Speaker 1: Steve Gorham and I guess that's still available, right Steve.
Speaker 10: Yes, sir, they can get it from my website Steve
Speaker 10: Gorum G O R E H A M dot com.
Speaker 10: Send them assigned copy if they buy it. And in
Speaker 10: addition to the science and economics, these have a whole
Speaker 10: bunch of their color paperbacks, a whole bunch of fun sidebars,
Speaker 10: real headlines like this one quote Engineers create world's first
Speaker 10: carbon neutral cement out of LG. The article goes on
Speaker 10: to say it's currently unclear how cost effective the method
Speaker 10: to be compared to traditional cement production. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 10: problem with all this green stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Breakdown, Green Breakdown by Steve gorm and wonderful to
Speaker 1: have you as all with Steve. Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 5: Thanks Garry, Joe, until the next time.
Speaker 1: You bet you coming up next, Mark Lee Gardner and
Speaker 1: Brothers of the Gun, his new book about Wyatt Earp
Speaker 1: and Doc Holliday. Joining us for a few minutes tonight
Speaker 1: is a man named Mark Lee Gardner. I had the
Speaker 1: pleasure of talking to him last weekend in another platform
Speaker 1: here in iHeartMedia, and it was interesting enough I thought
Speaker 1: we could just on the nightcap. Mark has written a
Speaker 1: book that is kind of a first of its kind
Speaker 1: for its genre. If you look at Old West nonfiction
Speaker 1: and you look at the characters Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday,
Speaker 1: extensive amounts has been written on both. And you've seen
Speaker 1: the movie Tombstone, maybe read about the OK Corral, but
Speaker 1: this goes well beyond it and kind of inside the
Speaker 1: relationship between the two men. It's a dueling biography, if
Speaker 1: you will, of both Erp and Doc Holliday. And to
Speaker 1: talk about it for a few minutes, the author, Mark
Speaker 1: Lee Gardner. Brothers of the Gun is the name of
Speaker 1: the book. How you doing, Good? Good?
Speaker 5: How are you doing?
Speaker 2: Gary?
Speaker 1: So you were explaining to me when we talked previously
Speaker 1: that these guys were actually lifelong friends.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, I mean.
Speaker 11: That's kind of the interesting thing is that, I mean
Speaker 11: they weren't childhood friends, but as adults they had a
Speaker 11: very strong bond for the few years that they were together.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean Doc Holliday didn't actually his life wasn't
Speaker 1: all that long, was it.
Speaker 2: No, it was not.
Speaker 11: He died at thirty six, and you know he grew
Speaker 11: up in a thing. Yeah, he was a single child.
Speaker 11: He had no brothers and sisters, and of course the
Speaker 11: earths there were all kinds of brothers, and it was
Speaker 11: like he became a member of the family, you know,
Speaker 11: he all of a sudden had these bonus brothers.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well, and a couple of things that I
Speaker 1: found astounding about the OK Corral. We all have this
Speaker 1: myth in our mind of this big, expansive kind of shootout.
Speaker 1: But it was actually in a very small space, wasn't it, Mark, Yeah.
Speaker 11: You know some of the accounts it's basically between fifteen
Speaker 11: or nineteen feet why this very narrow, empty lot. And
Speaker 11: it wasn't even at the OK Corral. It was at
Speaker 11: the rear of the OK Corral.
Speaker 1: Huh. Now what was why at Erp a legitimate law man?
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he had a badge in all
Speaker 1: of that. Was he was he a bad guy? Or
Speaker 1: was he upholding the law most of the time?
Speaker 11: Well, you know, he, as I say he was. He
Speaker 11: was very good at enforcing the law, and he was
Speaker 11: also pretty good at breaking the law. You know, with
Speaker 11: the Vendetta ride, he's using his badge to go after
Speaker 11: the killers of his brother Morgan and those that.
Speaker 2: Tried to assassinate Virgil.
Speaker 11: But as a lawman in places like Dodgsony in Wichita, he.
Speaker 1: Was very good.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 11: His main job was disarming drunken cowboys and he had
Speaker 11: a very quick way of doing that. Usually he was
Speaker 11: slamming him on the head with the barrel of his gun.
Speaker 1: Nice the Doc Holliday was a dentist at one point,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't really his main vocation. His main vocation
Speaker 1: was an avocation, wasn't it.
Speaker 11: Yes, yeah, he he became a professional gameber. I mean,
Speaker 11: that's the thing about Doc is that he actually went
Speaker 11: to the best dental school in the country was in Philadelphia.
Speaker 11: He had a dental degree, so he was a real doctor.
Speaker 11: And actually his first job at first office that he
Speaker 11: shared with a man, a fellow dentist in Dallas, they
Speaker 11: got an award for their dentistry. So he was an
Speaker 11: award winning dentist in his early twenty But he could
Speaker 11: not resist the gambling table, the Monty tables and the
Speaker 11: Pharaoh tables, and soon that became his main occupation with gambling.
Speaker 1: Was life pretty hard scrabble, hard scrabble back in the
Speaker 1: Old West for folks if they lived outside cities.
Speaker 11: Yes, South, you know, I mean if you're a fotbuster
Speaker 11: or a small rancher, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, yeah, it was.
Speaker 11: It wasn't an easy lie. But if you were in
Speaker 11: those boom towns, I mean they had smoke, you know,
Speaker 11: fresh oysters, the fighters, champagnes, you know, gambling halls with
Speaker 11: Brussel carpets.
Speaker 2: I mean, you wouldn't really notice.
Speaker 11: If you were in Tombstone, Arizona in eighteen eighty one,
Speaker 11: you could get anything that you could get in New
Speaker 11: York City.
Speaker 1: Was life more glorified in the movies? We see that.
Speaker 1: I mean these two characters, specifically white Urb and Doc Holiday.
Speaker 1: What did the movies get wrong about these two guys?
Speaker 2: Well, I think what usually they get wrong is.
Speaker 11: They have this good guy bad guy where the good
Speaker 11: guys are really pure and they're on the right side,
Speaker 11: and they don't necessarily portray kind of this mixed I mean,
Speaker 11: everybody has their flaws and failings, and not everyone was
Speaker 11: you know that we're a badge as a hero, and
Speaker 11: so the movies really want to make that black and
Speaker 11: white and clear. You know, white Er he was an
Speaker 11: upstanding hero, and he had some dark episodes in his past,
Speaker 11: as did Doc Holliday.
Speaker 1: Now both of them died in poverty, is that right.
Speaker 2: That's correct.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Doc Holliday he died in eighteen eighty seven at the
Speaker 11: age of thirty six. He had nothing, just a few
Speaker 11: personal items that were shipped to his family in Georgia.
Speaker 11: Wieter died age eighty in nineteen twenty nine. And you know,
Speaker 11: he was always trying to get a break, you know,
Speaker 11: whether it was mining or gambling. And his last at
Speaker 11: Timp he thought, you know, I'm going to tell my
Speaker 11: life story, get it published, and he just didn't live long.
Speaker 2: Enough to see that happen.
Speaker 11: It was his life who benefited from that book that
Speaker 11: came out in nineteen thirty one.
Speaker 1: He said that the movie Cowboys like Tom Mix came
Speaker 1: to white Earp's funeral.
Speaker 11: That's correct. Bill Hart and Tom Mix were actually pallbearers,
Speaker 11: and they held white Earp in high esteem. I mean,
Speaker 11: they really liked him as a man, and we're in
Speaker 11: awe of his career as a lawman.
Speaker 1: Fantastic The books out now, Brothers of the Gun is
Speaker 1: the name. It's a dueling biography of a daring duo
Speaker 1: known as Wyatt Earp and Doc Holiday, and I guess
Speaker 1: it's available everywhere books are, right, Mark, that is correct?
Speaker 1: All right, fantastic, Thanks for taking a few minutes out
Speaker 1: to talk about fascinating stuff. If you love the Old
Speaker 1: West and you love a good yarn, but you also
Speaker 1: love the truth behind these legendary characters, I highly recommend
Speaker 1: this particular book. Thank you, Mark Lee Gardner. I appreciate
Speaker 1: your time.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Gary.
Speaker 1: We move on in the Nightcap with the fur Ball
Speaker 1: coming up in just minutes on seven hundred WLW. Our
Speaker 1: friend Andy Furman was going to join us tonight he
Speaker 1: usually does on our nightcap sessions, but he had some
Speaker 1: last minute technical difficulties and so that kind of left
Speaker 1: me scrambling. I mean I need to fix the fur ball.
Speaker 1: I mean you can't spell fu without Furman, right. So
Speaker 1: here is a revisitation on a conversation I had again.
Speaker 1: If there's some dated references to sporting events, and people understand,
Speaker 1: this is vintage Furman and just like a fine wine,
Speaker 1: well you know how that goes here you have it.
Speaker 1: They always say finish with a flourish, and I can't
Speaker 1: finish any more. Flourished than with the fur ball. And
Speaker 1: that's all the f's I have for right now. But
Speaker 1: we're early on in the conversation. Andy Furman joined us
Speaker 1: on the night Cap on this Tuesday evening. Good evening,
Speaker 1: mister Furman, How are you?
Speaker 2: Good evening? How are you to Tuesdays roll around so quickly?
Speaker 8: I can't wait. It's really good. It's good to talk
Speaker 8: to you.
Speaker 1: I love I love thee I love the Jewish vampire accent.
Speaker 1: That was really good, good evening. So I told you
Speaker 1: that a week ago, last Tuesday night, as I was
Speaker 1: going to bed, I lost my balance. I was not drunk,
Speaker 1: not inebriated, not any any way, compromise that I can
Speaker 1: tell you. I lost my balance and I fell in
Speaker 1: the bedroom. I was like two steps on the b
Speaker 1: on the floor, two steps from being in the bed
Speaker 1: with my wife who was fast asleep, and I fell
Speaker 1: and I fell right on her violin case. It was
Speaker 1: sitting on the floor of the bedroom, which is very hard,
Speaker 1: and I think I I'm almost sure I broke ribs.
Speaker 1: I never went to the hospital.
Speaker 2: It's very silly thing to do. Are you trying to
Speaker 2: do like gymnastic tricks or something? Like that, why would
Speaker 2: you do that?
Speaker 1: I it wasn't planned, It wasn't anything I asked for.
Speaker 1: It just happened.
Speaker 2: And the sympathy is that why you're telling me this?
Speaker 2: Your suggested your sympathy. I mean, are you trying to
Speaker 2: tell the audience right now, like, wow, I showed up
Speaker 2: to you for this show because I'm in pain. No
Speaker 2: one cares, really, no one cares?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I care.
Speaker 2: I cared for you because I know it much.
Speaker 1: You say no one, So I figured you were including
Speaker 1: yourself and the no one about the caring part.
Speaker 2: But you know what, we got business to take care of.
Speaker 2: We could talk about that later. This time it's important.
Speaker 2: Do you promise wait long for this?
Speaker 1: You promised that we can talk about it later, maybe
Speaker 1: even tonight, after we get through the important stuff. Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: Well what's so important? What's so important? What's more important?
Speaker 2: I thought?
Speaker 1: My pain?
Speaker 2: And after the Bengals, after the Bengals lost, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, I love the media, not not the national
Speaker 2: media as much as the local media, because the national
Speaker 2: media always beats the law local media on stories. Why
Speaker 2: I don't know, but maybe that's because maybe they're a
Speaker 2: certain person delegated to that topic, and they they get
Speaker 2: the story. I mean that's probably the reason why I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: They got they got bigger, they got bigger budgets, probably.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably, so the biggest standard. I mean, they were scientists.
Speaker 2: Certain things should be. But the local media all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, now woe is me. The Bengals are losing.
Speaker 2: They they don't care. They don't care. Let me tell
Speaker 2: you something. I really this is like a trade secret.
Speaker 2: Those that do talk radio in the world of sports
Speaker 2: are happy when the local team loses because that's when
Speaker 2: the phones line up. That's when there's controversy. That's when
Speaker 2: you could yell and scream and say fire the coach
Speaker 2: to do this. Believe I'm telling you that's the way
Speaker 2: it is. They don't care. They put on the facade like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, they need to get defense, they need to
Speaker 2: get better than this. They know you're happy that they lose.
Speaker 2: First of there's there's nothing gain when they win. Think
Speaker 2: about that. Does the local talk show hosts gain anything
Speaker 2: when they win? I don't think so. You care about
Speaker 2: one thing, and one thing all you know what that
Speaker 2: is your ratings, your revenue and your show and your
Speaker 2: show is better when they lose. I promise you. That's
Speaker 2: the name of the game. Now, I know you may
Speaker 2: not agree, but you know it's true.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if it's better when your local
Speaker 1: team loses.
Speaker 2: But you don't want to benefit a talk show host,
Speaker 2: not for the city, not for the team.
Speaker 1: You don't want to you're not telling me that after
Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety victory by the Reds and the sweep
Speaker 1: and the World Series, the talk radio wasn't booming. Then
Speaker 1: you're not telling me that after you have to win
Speaker 1: it all.
Speaker 2: No, you have to win it all or be a loser.
Speaker 2: Like this year with the Reds mediocre, it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, teasing, they're teasing me. It seems to me,
Speaker 2: and that's it.
Speaker 1: It seems to me like the like when the Bengals
Speaker 1: last went to the Super Bowl and Joe Burr second year, Uh.
Speaker 2: It's big.
Speaker 1: They did, they did. They did lose ultimately in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl to the Rams.
Speaker 2: But they made the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, talk radio talk radioc after the Bengels
Speaker 1: had that success and Andy, So I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: telling me the truth or not.
Speaker 2: On a week two week basis, the local talk show
Speaker 2: hosts host love when they lose because the phone lines
Speaker 2: light up. Fire this guy, get rid of this guy.
Speaker 2: This guy's a thumb. Really, you know all all preseason.
Speaker 2: You gotta sign Jamar Chase, you gotta sign t Higgins.
Speaker 2: Now I'm hearing the talk shows. Now they spent too
Speaker 2: much money on the offensive side of the ball. See,
Speaker 2: that's what it's all about, controversy. There's no happy medium really.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I always say, and you use that
Speaker 1: term happy medium. If anyone could really truly foresee the future,
Speaker 1: they'd be miserable. There are no such things as happy
Speaker 1: medium because they know how bleak the future really is.
Speaker 2: Andy, it's not bleaked. The future is great. Everybody looks
Speaker 2: forward to the future.
Speaker 1: No future, the future, the future, this Bengals team is bleak. Oh,
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to agree. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: harvest any kind of hostility or animosity or generate phone calls,
Speaker 1: because you're the only phone call that matters right now.
Speaker 2: Well, I will tell you. Host in the car yesterday
Speaker 2: and I heard a phone call saying that this Bengals
Speaker 2: team will never win as long as Mike Brown owns
Speaker 2: a team and I was almost tempted to pull over
Speaker 2: the side of the road and call in, really, because
Speaker 2: what does Mike Brown have to do with missing tackles.
Speaker 2: I don't understand why he gets such a bad rap.
Speaker 2: I know he's the owner of the team, but come on,
Speaker 2: get off his back. I mean, I think he's a
Speaker 2: wonderful man, and God bless him. He's ninety years old.
Speaker 2: I would love to see him get a Super Bowl ring.
Speaker 2: Oh before his time is up. And now I'm married.
Speaker 2: Call to say he doesn't want to win. What moron
Speaker 2: owning a team does not want to win? Tell me
Speaker 2: about that, really, if you want to see you don't
Speaker 2: want to win that he may not know that there's
Speaker 2: round to win, and then but he certainly wants to win.
Speaker 1: And then there's the other side of the issue. And
Speaker 1: people might argue this, Andy, in response to what you
Speaker 1: just said, maybe Mike Brown wins every season. Mike Brown
Speaker 1: and the Brown family wins every season. And you can
Speaker 1: make that argument because they are multimillionaires. They don't lose money,
Speaker 1: and in fact, they they absolutely cash in on the
Speaker 1: Bengals without winning.
Speaker 2: The owner of the Carolina Panthers, too, right, You can
Speaker 2: say that about everything. But I will say this, they
Speaker 2: keep on losing, they will take a big hit. Is
Speaker 2: for a season tickets to concern as you remember several
Speaker 2: years ago on Yes, I that was like thirty thousand
Speaker 2: a game. There. It is revenue right there that would
Speaker 2: be lost.
Speaker 1: I agree, but I'm just saying that from a business standpoint.
Speaker 1: The Brown family wins include Mike every single game because
Speaker 1: they're in the black.
Speaker 2: He played football at Dartmouth. He wants to win. He's
Speaker 2: in it to win. Believe what they want to win?
Speaker 1: Well, hold on, hold on, hold on. He played football
Speaker 1: at Dartmouth. He wants to win. When was Dartmouth's last
Speaker 1: winning season, Andy.
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but you know he played college football.
Speaker 2: Reggie Williams played at Artmouth. A lot of players people
Speaker 2: play at Dartmouth. I mean, what's wrong with Dartmouth? I mean, really,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: People have been asking that question for years when it
Speaker 1: comes to Dartmouth football. What's wrong with Dartmouth. I'm looking
Speaker 1: it up right now. Dartmouth. I know where it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they actually they're.
Speaker 2: Not for football.
Speaker 1: For academics, listen, let me tell you about Dartmouth. Dartmouth
Speaker 1: is second in the IVY League. They're big green football.
Speaker 1: You know that they still have to play. They have
Speaker 1: to play Harvard coming up this coming Saturday, then Princeton,
Speaker 1: then Cornell and then Brown. We're back to the Brown family.
Speaker 2: I think that the worst is over.
Speaker 1: So there their second and so I guess if you play,
Speaker 1: if you play football at Dartmouth, you do care about winning.
Speaker 1: You were right, Mike Brown played football at Dartmouth and
Speaker 1: he cares about.
Speaker 2: Obviously, you never played sports, or you never involved.
Speaker 1: I did play.
Speaker 2: You put the uniform on. I don't care who you are.
Speaker 2: You could play stickball in the park. Okay, you could,
Speaker 2: as only as you put a uniform on your competing
Speaker 2: in the game you want to win.
Speaker 1: Did you have Did you have stickball uniforms back in Brooklyn, Andy.
Speaker 2: No, we just wore T shirts and so you just.
Speaker 1: Use their uniform reference. Let me tell you something. I
Speaker 1: proudly put on the uniform of the Knox Dows Red
Speaker 1: Raiders in eight to nineteen playing basketball.
Speaker 2: Win. I just well, you lost, you felt a little
Speaker 2: down for me.
Speaker 1: I just I just wanted to get in the game.
Speaker 1: Forget forget about wanting to win.
Speaker 2: You know, if we were.
Speaker 1: Being blown out or we're blowing someone out on either side.
Speaker 1: I usually got in. And there was one game against
Speaker 1: Mount Juliet this is in Tennessee ninth grade basketball, where
Speaker 1: me and a guy named Tommy Gwill both got in
Speaker 1: the game. The team was down by five points as
Speaker 1: we entered the fourth quarter. The coach was furious with
Speaker 1: the starters. He put us in and we brought the
Speaker 1: team back and we won the game because of our.
Speaker 2: Contribution to do. I'm just curious, what did you have
Speaker 2: to do with it? I mean, what was your game defense?
Speaker 1: But I had. I had two steals, one a stolen
Speaker 1: pass and one stolen on the dribble, and I had
Speaker 1: a fast break lay up. I had a twenty foot
Speaker 1: shot that went straight through, and I had a mid
Speaker 1: range jumper just below the free throw line in the
Speaker 1: middle of trap. I scored six points in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: This is in junior high basketball. Andy had two stings
Speaker 1: and two rebounds. What do you mean what happened?
Speaker 2: I was a super Well, you peak, you peaked too
Speaker 2: early in life, That's what happened. No, I mean I
Speaker 2: was downhill since then, I guess right, I.
Speaker 1: Was five foot I was five foot ten and I
Speaker 1: had white Man's disease. I mean I could touch the rim,
Speaker 1: but that was about it. But I did care about winning.
Speaker 1: You're right, you put on the uniform. You care about winning.
Speaker 2: No doubt, no doubt. But he here's the thing. Now,
Speaker 2: So they're losing, and the Bengals are losing, and there
Speaker 2: was a terrible loss that may have been the worst
Speaker 2: loss in Zach Zach Taylor's career here in stay right.
Speaker 2: But but I will tell you this. So yesterday, I
Speaker 2: believe it was I had a player's only meeting. So
Speaker 2: what is that? You know that? You know what that does?
Speaker 2: I mean the average Joseph Lot's good. The players can't him. No,
Speaker 2: it's a finger pointing where the locker room is beginning
Speaker 2: to crack. That's what it's. Finger point I think, like
Speaker 2: you're not doing your job. Play better. Get really, I
Speaker 2: will say this, And they talk about Duke tobyh they're
Speaker 2: talking about Zach Taylor. Here's the bottom line.
Speaker 4: You need it.
Speaker 2: We like we talked about this maybe even a week ago.
Speaker 2: You need a coach that's a leader that could get respect,
Speaker 2: that has played the game, that has been there, done that,
Speaker 2: and also puts a little bit of fear in these players.
Speaker 2: These guys love Zach Taylor. Zach Taylor is a wonderful man.
Speaker 2: He's a good husband, a good father, good family man,
Speaker 2: a very nice guy. Maybe he's too nice a guy
Speaker 2: to be a coach. That's the problem. Dan Campbell will
Speaker 2: cheer you up and spit you out. And that's why
Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions win. All right. You look at these
Speaker 2: coaches that have an attitude, that are tough, that give
Speaker 2: you that stare. The media are afraid of these guys. Really,
Speaker 2: the postgame news conferences, they're afraid to ask Dan Campbell
Speaker 2: a question. Really you'll know. But again, and with Zach Taylor,
Speaker 2: it's like it's different and they need to get a
Speaker 2: coach who could bring discipline. These guys aren't bad. They're
Speaker 2: not bad football in the National Footballer. You know this
Speaker 2: as well as anybody else. There's not that much of
Speaker 2: a difference between teammate and t B with talent. If
Speaker 2: you make the NFL, you're pretty good. But you need
Speaker 2: to be developed by a coach who could bring the
Speaker 2: best out of you well.
Speaker 1: Under the under the guys of you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: be a tough as nuts kind of guy to be
Speaker 1: a successful NFL coach. What about Andy Reid, He doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like he's that that bearish on the side.
Speaker 2: We respect you, right, because Marven Levy was not tough.
Speaker 2: I don't really you know. So there are guys that's successful,
Speaker 2: but it's the personality. They're good leaders and players believe
Speaker 2: in them. Yeah, and they'll get them. You know. I
Speaker 2: am sure that players could come to meetings late with
Speaker 2: the Bengals have nothing to say, really, I mean, I
Speaker 2: I've talked the players that played for Bill Belichick. They
Speaker 2: said they would sit there watch ten minutes earlier just
Speaker 2: for fear of being late to a meeting. That's what
Speaker 2: they do. I don't think that happens in Cincinnati. I
Speaker 2: might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean Zach taylor uh coaching expertise has
Speaker 1: been questioned all along. His play calling is always questions,
Speaker 1: and it certainly wasn't It seems like there were no
Speaker 1: tea there's no teeth to that defense once again on
Speaker 1: Sunday against the team that had not won a game
Speaker 1: yet in the NFL.
Speaker 2: And you know, the jounning game was was rolling, yes,
Speaker 2: and the.
Speaker 1: Second half situation they didn't. They didn't run the ball
Speaker 1: in the second half.
Speaker 2: And why he had three three consecutive pass plays at
Speaker 2: the end of the fourth quarter. Why the running game
Speaker 2: was was dominant, really rolling in the run game, and
Speaker 2: he changed it. I sometimes think the game is too
Speaker 2: big for zat Taylor and he's as they say, he's
Speaker 2: a nice man, but he hasn't got the experience under
Speaker 2: his belt. Really. You know, you told about your guy
Speaker 2: in Kansas City, Andy Reid. He had the experience because
Speaker 2: for years he was in Philadelphia, right right, it comes
Speaker 2: to Kansas City. What experience you have to have experience? Really,
Speaker 2: you're a radio guy, you got like thirty forty years experience.
Speaker 2: You just can't throw a kid behind the microphones. They
Speaker 2: do it, they have the talent, but you got to
Speaker 2: be polished, You got to be led. Forrest Gregg was
Speaker 2: a great coach here. He was tough, He knew a
Speaker 2: football game. You look at the coaches that have coached
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals, how many of them have had NFL
Speaker 2: experience and the ones that have not, most of them failed.
Speaker 2: Dave Sula came here on his name, never coached before.
Speaker 2: It was horrendous and Bett Taylor's following the same round.
Speaker 1: I have to agree with you on the Dave Shula
Speaker 1: comparison to Zach Taylor and Dave Shula was the reason
Speaker 1: that was hard for me when I moved here to
Speaker 1: get into watching the Bengals play because it was so
Speaker 1: woeful and you know what, he turned to a guy
Speaker 1: who could have been, you know, a serviceable NFL quarterback
Speaker 1: into a laughingstock. And David Klinger with the fact that
Speaker 1: he just and the fact that people hired Dave Shula
Speaker 1: after his head coaching stanton Cincinnati to be an offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator offensive coach, just really makes me laugh.
Speaker 2: Monday Night football game when Gary Reasons pulled a cap
Speaker 2: over Da've showl his head, it was I don't respect,
Speaker 2: but it's all about respect. All these coaches all know
Speaker 2: exes and homes. There's no doubt in my mind they
Speaker 2: know the game of football. Really, they don't want football,
Speaker 2: you know in a symbol that I that I could
Speaker 2: learn in my lifetime. But that's their job. It's not
Speaker 2: my job. It's their job and they know it. It's
Speaker 2: how you teach the game. That's how it's that's how
Speaker 2: it's that that's how you become one better than the other,
Speaker 2: how you become successful, how you teach the game to others.
Speaker 2: And it is if they could listen to you. This
Speaker 2: this team only meeting, I think it's dangerous. I really do.
Speaker 2: I really closed door players only meeting. I think it's
Speaker 2: a dangerous thing. I really do.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the closed knit nature of the fraternity of
Speaker 1: NFL head coaches. Maybe the whole thing was designed to
Speaker 1: save Aaron Glenn's because Zach Taylor knew that Mike Brown
Speaker 1: will continue to pay him whether they win or not.
Speaker 1: And and Aaron Glenn came in with the Jets and
Speaker 1: he hadn't won a game let yet this year, and
Speaker 1: there's so much frustration in New York over the Jets
Speaker 1: not being able to scratch. And maybe maybe Zach Taylor
Speaker 1: was just doing a solid for Aaron Glenn with the coaching.
Speaker 2: Tell you this, if you watch that Jet team there,
Speaker 2: you got to give the Aaron Glenn a lot of
Speaker 2: credit because I didn't see that team quit. No, I
Speaker 2: didn't see the team quit on him.
Speaker 1: Never.
Speaker 2: They played hard, and I don't think they're a bad team.
Speaker 2: They've lost several games, but just a few points, but
Speaker 2: less than a touchdown, So I think they're really good now.
Speaker 2: I think they got that quarterback. Now, that's the key
Speaker 2: to Tyron Taylor. And I knew, and I'm not saying
Speaker 2: this because the game is over now, but I knew
Speaker 2: that they'd be more dangerous without Tyron Taylor because Taylor
Speaker 2: cannot run the football. You know. They ran the football
Speaker 2: on the center. That's what they did against the Bengals
Speaker 2: and it worked. So I think they found themselves a quarterback.
Speaker 2: And maybe maybe it was the motivation by their owner
Speaker 2: Woody Johnson, who basically said, I hope we could get
Speaker 2: a quarterback that had complete a pass. That may have
Speaker 2: been the motivation needed for him to go out there
Speaker 2: and play and beat the Bengals. Could you believe that
Speaker 2: that game on Sunday, the only time that Jets leg
Speaker 2: was in the game was over, Yeah, the only time
Speaker 2: they let I know.
Speaker 1: How about this, how about all of the all the
Speaker 1: hoopla over Hendricks Henderson before the season. You know, Willie
Speaker 1: sign is he going to sit out the whole.
Speaker 2: Miss man now?
Speaker 1: And and and all of this. He was so important
Speaker 1: to be on that defense to give the Bengals a
Speaker 1: bona fide pass rusher and after all of that hand
Speaker 1: rigging and all the money that the Bengals had to
Speaker 1: pay to keep him, and they'd probably franchise tag him
Speaker 1: after this season. Uh and and he's he's not even
Speaker 1: a factor because he's not in the game. He's hurt.
Speaker 2: Well, he got a cheap shot, he really did. If
Speaker 2: you watched the game, he got hit, it was a
Speaker 2: cheap shot. They should have called.
Speaker 1: I would agree, you know, But it's just funny, funny
Speaker 1: how things work out.
Speaker 2: You know, he's not going to play, probably not going
Speaker 2: to play this week against the Bears. And I tell
Speaker 2: you right now, I mean if the Bears win, the
Speaker 2: Bears win Sunday, and you know, I would think the
Speaker 2: Bears probably would be favored, you know, in this game.
Speaker 2: I really, even though it's a home game, I know
Speaker 2: you can just wash away the season I have.
Speaker 1: Really, I have no, no, no reason to think of
Speaker 1: why the Bears wouldn't be favored.
Speaker 5: Andy.
Speaker 2: Really, he's got a great coach. He learned under the
Speaker 2: Detroit Lion system, under Dan Campbell system. He's a good
Speaker 2: head coach. He's turned around and the Bears have a
Speaker 2: running game which they didn't have in the past. And
Speaker 2: when you have a running game against the Bengal defense
Speaker 2: that can't stop the run. Fingo, what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Mike Brown should be at that players only
Speaker 1: meeting to bring the winning spirit of Dartmouth football to
Speaker 1: his Cincinnati Bengals year.
Speaker 2: Listen to you. You know there's one guy I feel
Speaker 2: so good about today, and that's lu Ana Rumo, the
Speaker 2: Indianapolis Colts defensive coordinator. Indianapolis has the best record in
Speaker 2: the National Football League seven and one, and they should
Speaker 2: set no. But they had that one clown who had
Speaker 2: the ball over his head and he lost it before
Speaker 2: he crossed the goal line and he fumbled it and
Speaker 2: they lost that ball game. But they should be eight
Speaker 2: and oh, there's seven to one and Louis get doing
Speaker 2: the job. So you know, he was a scapegoat, and
Speaker 2: now we know that he was not the scapegoat. And
Speaker 2: the funny thing is they bring in the defensive coordinator
Speaker 2: from Notre Dame, right, he's here now, Golden Al Golden,
Speaker 2: and now his name has been surface and rumored to
Speaker 2: be the next coach at Penn State.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe the Bengals should bring me into a player's
Speaker 1: only meeting and I can speak is the super sub
Speaker 1: of the Noxtars Red Raiders in ninth grade when I
Speaker 1: led the team as a super sub to victory on
Speaker 1: the road in Mount Juliett, Tennessee. Andy, We've got to go.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, all right, my friend, have a good week.
Speaker 2: I'll see you next week.
Speaker 1: I'm recovering. I have broken ribs. Nobody cares. Andy tells me,
Speaker 1: I do care?
Speaker 2: I care? I care now, I care because I've finished.
Speaker 2: Now I can thank you.
Speaker 1: Goodbye. We'll close next. I guess we're done with the rain. Please.
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