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Speaker 1: As Davy or Basketball concludes, we begin It's a Nightcap

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Speaker 1: on a Tuesday night, November eighteenth, twenty twenty five, Geary

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Speaker 1: Jeff Walker with you. Tonight's show is packed with fun stuff,

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Speaker 1: including a revisit from our Money Music man from moneymusic

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Speaker 1: top of the hour with November Vinyl to be thankful for.

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Speaker 1: just started recently collecting because everything old is new again

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Speaker 1: and you're deciding to ditch the digital and go back

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Speaker 1: to warm, precious analog. This is a collection of ten

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Speaker 1: records that if you have them in your possession and

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Speaker 1: you may be sitting on a pile of cash, not

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Speaker 1: just a pile of old albums or forty fives. So

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Speaker 1: I hope you're ready to plunge into the music tonight.

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Speaker 1: We will get into that also on tonight's show Mark

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Speaker 1: Lee Gardner. He's an author, he's an old West nut,

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Speaker 1: and he has written a brand new book about Wyatt

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Speaker 1: Erp and Doc Holliday. And you think you may know

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Speaker 1: the characters from movies like Tombstone or what you've read

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Speaker 1: about to Fight at the Ok Corral, real history is

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Speaker 1: a little bit different, and he's dived into it. So

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Speaker 1: we will talk to Mark Lee Gardner about his new book,

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Speaker 1: a dueling biography called Others of the Gun a little

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Speaker 1: bit later on tonight. Also, Steve Gorham is coming up

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Speaker 1: fresh off of the cop the COP thirty as it

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Speaker 1: was called in Brazil, the latest climate conference. They do

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Speaker 1: this every year, and we'll see what kind of crazy

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Speaker 1: notions they cooked up there. You may have seen the

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Speaker 1: videos of Ikopod crane with better hair, Gavin Newsom, who

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Speaker 1: was spending time away from the state he's supposed to

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Speaker 1: be governing, and up in tree stands in the rainforest. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: he's a fruitcake my opinion. We'll talk to Steve Gorham

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Speaker 1: about what was accomplished, what wasn't accomplished at the COP

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Speaker 1: thirty and is there any kind of actual data and

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Speaker 1: truth coming out of these conferences anymore? Or is it

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Speaker 1: just to keep the money train rolling so they can

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Speaker 1: continue to live off of everyone else and redistribute funds

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Speaker 1: all over the world from the workingman's pocket into theirs

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Speaker 1: again my opinion anyway. Steve Gorham coming up and Andy

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Speaker 1: Fourman before the Night is Done? Coming up next from

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Speaker 1: Gun Owners of America. Stephen Williford, the hero of Sutherland Springs, Texas,

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Speaker 1: joins us once again. I hope you'll dig in and enjoy.

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Speaker 1: It's the night cap and we are ready to roll.

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Speaker 1: Next on seven hundred wlw oh a chance to visit

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Speaker 1: again with the hero of Sutherland Springs, Texas, the one

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Speaker 1: and only Stephen Williford, who is in the middle of

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Speaker 1: babysitting as we speak. Gun Owners of America, of course,

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Speaker 1: is Steven's cause and the cause for all of America's

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Speaker 1: right to own and bear firearms. It should be everybody's cause.

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Speaker 1: But Stephen, how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I am joined superb So.

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Speaker 1: You got grandchild there with you?

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Speaker 3: Yes, less than a month old, and and yes we're

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Speaker 3: headed to take my daughter to the dentist and I

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Speaker 3: get to hold onto my.

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Speaker 4: Grand baby while she's having work done.

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Speaker 5: So that's what we're doing today.

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Speaker 1: So how many grand babies is this for you?

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Speaker 3: This is my night night the oldest and they all

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Speaker 3: live on my property and the oldest is seven.

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Speaker 4: So that's phenomenous.

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Speaker 3: Lots of grand babies all the time out of the house, and.

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Speaker 5: So I'm truly blessed.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like it. It sounds like it. What's new

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Speaker 3: Well, obviously we're in the fight to get the get

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Speaker 3: and we've even gotten with the Second Amendment Caucus, and

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Speaker 3: the Second Amendment Caucus is gone to Sam Boondian and

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Speaker 3: President Trump and had requested that Pam Boondi get on

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Speaker 3: your listeners, the big beautiful bill. We were able to

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Speaker 6: Pack off of suppossor shortbell rifles and shotguns, and we

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Speaker 6: A thing, which is National Firems Act altogether.

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Speaker 4: And the unelected bureaucrat, a parliamentarian, refused to do that,

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Speaker 4: and so it went. I hadn't passed where.

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Speaker 6: She did away with the packs, but it's still in

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Speaker 6: of the NBA because it's not attacked and it's a regulation.

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Speaker 6: And in nineteen thirty four when it passed, that's a

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Speaker 6: be attacked, but it cannot be a regulation. So now

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Speaker 6: we have fouled because it's no longer attacked, but it

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Speaker 6: must be a regulation. And I would even say the

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Speaker 6: tack on one of our god given rights, the Bill

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Speaker 6: proven with the cold pack stuff like that also.

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Speaker 1: But let me let me Steven, let me ask you,

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Why is the Attorney General

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Speaker 1: Pam Bondi balking at doing what we would figure she

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Speaker 1: knows is right?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: Why she has she given a reason for maintaining this.

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Speaker 4: You know, she claims to be the the best to

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Speaker 3: She is she is.

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Speaker 4: Fighting us with several of Biden administrations encroachments on our

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Speaker 4: Second Amendment, and Gun Owners of America is calling her

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Speaker 4: out at every step of the way. Please go to

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Speaker 4: Gun Owners dot or org and sign up. President Trump

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Speaker 4: told her at the beginning of the administration go back

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Speaker 4: through all of these regulations and do away with them.

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Speaker 6: And she has chosen not to do that.

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Speaker 4: And you know, when lawsuits come up, she could say

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Speaker 4: the Department of Justice and he's with the Second Amendment

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Speaker 4: found base and then gun Owners of a need blocksuit

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Speaker 4: and instead to see it doubling down on the Biden administration. Uh,

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Speaker 4: infringements on our Second amend. Please go to gud the

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Speaker 4: Owners dot o rt and sign up to be part

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Speaker 4: of the solution.

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Speaker 4: Because we're we're fighting medicine. We have to send out

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Speaker 4: a message to Donald Trump him her in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean the the attorney general is supposed

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Speaker 1: to be independent. However, Donald Trump appointed her attorney general

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Speaker 1: who support him, that definitely support fewer regulations, especially on

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Speaker 1: a Second Amendment. Right, Stephen, listen, I'm gonna let you

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Speaker 1: go ahead and continue your babysitting duties. It's a little

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Speaker 1: God bless you.

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Speaker 3: I'm really really sorry about that, but God list you too,

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Speaker 3: and thank.

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Speaker 1: You ver, don't be sorry about it. Babies come, babies

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Speaker 1: come first. Man Stephen Williford from Gun Owners of America,

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Speaker 1: and if you're interested in this topic, go to Gun

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Speaker 1: owners of America dot com and find out a lot

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Speaker 1: more about letting your voice be heard. All right, because

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Speaker 1: one gun guy isn't enough, let's make it too. I

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Speaker 1: felt bad for Stephen. He was traveling in a car

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Speaker 1: not have gotten all of the things he was saying

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Speaker 1: still been reticent to lift, even though the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: and I believe overall they have been to talk about

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Speaker 1: that and more. Mister goodgunbadguy dot com himself, Dan was

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Speaker 1: joins us for a few more minutes. So Dan, Stephen

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 8: Well, thanks for having me on the show, Gary, Jeff

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Speaker 8: I hope I can, hope, I can maybe give you

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Speaker 8: a few bullet points in a whole time we have.

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Speaker 9: But if Stephen hasn't already mentioned it, the NFA was

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Speaker 9: the original gun registry scheme back in nineteen nineteen thirty four,

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Speaker 9: and it was under Roosevelt, I believe, and he decided

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Speaker 9: to create this law because well under the guys of

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Speaker 9: you know, gangsters and prohibition and all that stuff. So

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Speaker 9: they use that as an excuse to create this National

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Speaker 9: Fighter Arms Act, which was a gun registry and attacks

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Speaker 9: on the specific items if you had them. It was

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Speaker 9: a two hundred dollars tax on you know, short shortbell rifle,

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Speaker 9: explosive type devices. Recently we got rid of that two

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Speaker 8: But apparently some people in our government still think that

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Speaker 8: the registry is necessary. And that is probably the worst part,

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Speaker 8: because we all know what happens after guns are registered.

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Speaker 8: You know that that's that leads to confiscation, and and

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Speaker 8: we don't we don't want our names on any government list.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I'm sure my name is on several of them,

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Speaker 1: and probably yours too, just because of the nature of

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Speaker 1: the stuff we talk about on a regular basis and espouse.

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Speaker 1: By the way, as an aside, what's up with your governor, Hokeel,

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Speaker 1: they're shooting her bubble gun? Did you see that?

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Speaker 8: I didn't see that. But she is. She is a clown,

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Speaker 8: and she's gonna do anything she can right now to

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Speaker 8: be pretend to be relevant. But at least the phonic well,

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Speaker 8: I happen to know. I've done a few, a few

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Speaker 1: I like her.

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Speaker 8: Fantastic woman, and she's gonna she's gonna clean vocals, She's

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Speaker 1: Somebody needs to Yeah, you know what, Hochel is a

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Speaker 1: And it's not just about guns. It's not just about

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Speaker 1: Fathers in the Bill of Rights, and they those rights

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Speaker 1: Kathy Hochel was appointed to that position as governor of

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Speaker 1: as governor in a close fight against lee Zelden. But again,

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Speaker 1: the unelected bureaucrats, the administrative state in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: Whomever it may be, the ones that are beholden to

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Speaker 1: these regulations and anequated acts and unconstitutional things that have

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Speaker 1: they're appointed, or they just fail up through the ranks,

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Speaker 1: and true liberty, do they not?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and you sound like you're talking about at F. Uh,

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Speaker 8: you know people people in the ATF, because a lot

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Speaker 8: of times they create these policies, these firearm policies and

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Speaker 8: basically turn gun owners into felons overnight without anybody voting

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Speaker 8: problems we have. As second i'm in advocates and is

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Speaker 8: the ATF. It hasn't been run. It hasn't been run, right,

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Speaker 8: And you're you know, the unelected bureaucrats that are involved,

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Speaker 8: they're really taking advantage. But of course the Democrats, you know,

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Speaker 8: cheer them on every every chance they get.

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Speaker 1: Well, because uh, an armed citizenry is a threat to

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Speaker 1: their their ultimate takeover of power. I think that's as

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Speaker 1: Climate conference going on in Beliem, Brazil. It's the Nightcap,

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Speaker 1: and we roll on on seven hundred WLW it is

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Speaker 1: the Nightcap and rejoining us as an old friend. The

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Speaker 1: executive director of the Climate Science Coalition, the author of

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Speaker 1: the four amazing books on climate change and the Mad, Mad,

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Speaker 1: Mad World of Climatism, the latest, of course, green Breakdown,

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Speaker 1: which he has forecasts we are headed for headlong unless

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Speaker 1: we resist the move to energy providing sources that simply

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Speaker 1: don't work. Steve Gorham is back on the Nightcap. Hello, Steve,

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Speaker 1: how are you hi?

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Speaker 2: Gary? Jeff?

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Speaker 5: Great to join you again. I'm doing great.

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Speaker 1: Ten years after the Paris Climate Agreement, which thankfully the

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Speaker 1: President has pulled us out of again COP thirty, the

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Speaker 1: United Nations Climate Conference underway and Bilim, Brazil. What's going

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Speaker 1: on at the conference this year? Steve?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, almost over this is they again have over fifty

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Speaker 10: thousand people. Now, Bulim is not a big city, so

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Speaker 10: I guess the housing prices are real high. But we've

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Speaker 10: had a lot of world leaders that have not attended.

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Speaker 10: The President of China, the President of India, and of

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Speaker 10: course the US delegation. President Donald Trump sent zero people.

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Speaker 5: To this one.

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Speaker 2: But you know you need to ask.

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Speaker 10: This is the thirtieth conference of the parties have been

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Speaker 10: going on since nineteen ninety five, and the question is

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Speaker 10: what is this done outside of omitting all this carbon

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Speaker 10: dioxide from hol of debts that are flying people there.

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Speaker 5: According to the Energy.

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Speaker 10: Institute, in twenty twenty four, we still had eighty seven

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Speaker 10: percent of the world's energy was delivered by hydrocarbons, by coal, gas,

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Speaker 10: and oil. And that's despite the fact that we had

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Speaker 10: four hundred thousand wind turbans installed. Renewables were only about

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Speaker 10: thirteen percent of energy. So and then, by the way,

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Speaker 10: there's nuclear in there as well. So this is just

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Speaker 10: not having any effect really, And unfortunately we have all

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Speaker 10: these people saying that this is this is what we

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Speaker 10: need to save the planet. They should call this the

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Speaker 10: Conference of Superstition rather than the Conference of the Parties.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, as an American representative, I guess you could count

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom, the governor of California. He's been famously making

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Speaker 1: photo ops from Cop thirty and still touting this nonsense

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Speaker 1: without anything to back it up.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, he was just down there talking about how California

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Speaker 10: is doing all this the renewable energy. But you know this,

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Speaker 10: the latest word is affordability crisis by the Democrats. But

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Speaker 10: that's exactly what we have in California. In terms of energy.

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Speaker 10: California has the second highest electricity prices in the country.

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Speaker 10: They've increased more than one hundred percent in the last

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Speaker 10: fifteen years. They're rapidly approaching Hawaii to try and pass Hawaii.

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Speaker 10: They have the highest gasoline prices in the country. They

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Speaker 10: have grid scale batteries that are burning up after being

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Speaker 10: installed only two or three years. You know, it's just

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Speaker 10: it's still Stevens what you shouldn't do.

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Speaker 1: It's all taxes and regulations in California's behalf. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's no reason. There's no reason for anybody in this

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Speaker 1: country to be paying close to five dollars a gallon

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Speaker 1: for gas at the pump. There's simply no reason for it.

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Speaker 1: There is no reason for people not to be able

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Speaker 1: to buy a natural gas stove if they'd like to,

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Speaker 1: middle of one of those wonderful California heat waves. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's all nuts. There's no there's no common sense being

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Speaker 1: applied at all to California's energy part policy. Would you

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Speaker 1: agree with that?

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Speaker 5: I would agree with that.

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Speaker 10: It's it's just very foolish in many, many ways, and

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Speaker 10: they're pushing these zero missions vehicles. Hydrogen costs twice as

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Speaker 10: much to refuel, and evs cost twenty percent more to buy,

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Speaker 10: and if you don't have a charger at home, it's

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Speaker 10: going to cost a lot more to a charge on

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Speaker 10: the road. It's just not good policy in any case.

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Speaker 10: It's not going to have a measurable effect on sea

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Speaker 10: levels or storms or anything else. It's just not going

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Speaker 10: to do any of that. All it is is going

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Speaker 10: to impact consumers and businesses.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, earlier this month, Bill get Bill Gates kind of

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Speaker 1: stepped away from calling what we're going through a climate catastrophe,

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Speaker 1: and you know, he hedged his bets. He hemmed and

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Speaker 1: hawed and act like, well, it's still very important, but

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Speaker 1: it's not the doomsday I always claimed it was.

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Speaker 5: Now this is a huge turnaround. Mister Gates is one

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Speaker 5: of the well fathiest men in the world, the multi billionaire.

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Speaker 10: He's given millions of dollars to his foundations to fight

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Speaker 10: climate change over the last several decades.

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Speaker 5: In twenty twenty.

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Speaker 10: One, he wrote the book How to Avoid a Climate Disaster.

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Speaker 10: But then just before the cop conference, he sent an

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Speaker 10: he basically changed his position.

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Speaker 5: He said, quote that.

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Speaker 10: Climate change is a serious problem, but it will not

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Speaker 10: be the end of civilization. He also said that quote,

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Speaker 10: Unfortunately the doomsday outlook is causing much of the climate

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Speaker 10: community to focus too much on near term emission schoals.

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Speaker 10: He said, quote, our chief goal should be to prevent suffering,

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Speaker 10: particularly for those in the toughest conditions, who live in

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Speaker 10: the world's poorest countries. So this is a huge turnaround,

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Speaker 10: and he's been criticized both by from the climatists and

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Speaker 10: also from the skeptics, but he's finally he see's embraced

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Speaker 10: common sense, in my opinion, and we're looking for many

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Speaker 10: of the rest of the world to do this as well.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about COP thirty going on in Brazil with

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Speaker 1: these countries, some of them participating from around the world.

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Speaker 1: A lot of liberal political parties, who were, you know,

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Speaker 1: really banging the drum for renewables and wind and solar

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Speaker 1: and anything but fossil fuels. A number of political parties

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Speaker 1: are pushing back now against the climatism and net zero policy.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, another big, big trend. Of course, we have mister

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Speaker 10: Trump and the Republicans in the United States that have

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Speaker 10: pushed down on climate But in the United Kingdom, for example,

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Speaker 10: we have the Reform UK Party which has now been

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Speaker 10: pulling the top in the government. They haven't taken over

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Speaker 10: the government yet, but they have their highest all the Poles,

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Speaker 10: led by Nigel Farage. They've coined the phrase quote net

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Speaker 10: stupid zero. They want to get rid of this net

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Speaker 10: zero thing. And then in the alternative in Germany, we

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Speaker 10: have the Alternative for Deutschland, which is polling number two,

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Speaker 10: a right wing party, and the candidate for Chancellor, Elis Weidel,

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Speaker 10: has called the wind turbans windmills of shame, and the

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Speaker 10: plank of their party is to tear down all the

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Speaker 10: wind turbans in Germany, which is the highest dancing in

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Speaker 10: the world, is more than twenty thousand wind turbans. And

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Speaker 10: then in Germany, and then in just the last several

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Speaker 10: weeks we've had two parties in Australia that have said

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Speaker 10: they're getting rid of net zero. The Nationals Party voted

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Speaker 10: to get rid of it, and the leader there, David

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Speaker 10: littl Proud, said quote, we believe in reducing emissions, but

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Speaker 10: not at any cost. And then the Liberal Party also

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Speaker 10: voted against net zero. So these are really big changes,

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Speaker 10: and they're going to you know, this might be the

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Speaker 10: last time we have a cop or it might just

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Speaker 10: kind of decay away and did nothing over the next

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Speaker 10: few years.

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Speaker 1: Well, even Greta Tunberg's worried about Hamas and Palestinians.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In your most recent column or article in the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal, you pointed out that electricity prices are rising

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Speaker 1: fastest in states that are pursuing green energy policies. I

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Speaker 1: mean New Jersey. This was a big thing in New Jersey, yep.

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Speaker 1: And it's a big thing in New York too. Haven't

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Speaker 1: we always been told that wind and solar are the

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Speaker 1: ways of the future and the cheapest forms of electricity.

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Speaker 1: Nothing could be farther from the truth, right.

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Speaker 5: Well, that is right.

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Speaker 10: And by the way, this was a little bit of

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Speaker 10: a response to an article in the Journal.

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Speaker 5: From Ram Emanuel.

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Speaker 10: The former Democrat mayor of Chicago and White House Chief

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Speaker 10: of Staff and the Obama administration. He said that bigger

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Speaker 10: electric bills are the direct result of the One Big.

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Speaker 5: Beautiful Bill Act.

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Speaker 10: The problem with that common and is the Act only

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Speaker 10: took place in July, and the subsidy cuts for wind

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Speaker 10: and solar from the Act don't happen for another year

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Speaker 10: or two. But if you look over the last five years,

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Speaker 10: you see that, particularly in the Blue states, the Democrat states,

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Speaker 10: we see these prices rising. California up fifty eight percent

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Speaker 10: in the last five years, Maine, New York, Maryland, Massachusetts,

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Speaker 10: Connecticut up more than thirty percent in five years. The

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Speaker 10: national average electricity price has only gone up about twenty

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Speaker 10: two percent. And actually Ohio's doing pretty good in this regard.

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Speaker 10: Ohio's only up let's see, I'm going to get my

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Speaker 10: number here, only twenty point seven percent in the last

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Speaker 10: five years. And one of the reasons in Ohio is,

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Speaker 10: unlike all these Blue states, you still get fifty three

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Speaker 10: percent of your electricity from natural gas, twenty nine percent

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Speaker 10: from coal, fifteen percent from nuclear. Renewable is only about

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Speaker 10: two percent of your electricity in Ohio. And we find

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Speaker 10: the states that have not switched over to try and

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Speaker 10: do wind in solar, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Missouri, that still

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Speaker 10: have a lot of natural gas are doing much better

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Speaker 10: as far as prices. So the whole idea that if

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Speaker 10: you go green, the price comes down is really not

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Speaker 10: borne out by the evidence.

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Speaker 1: Energy Green Energy Breakdown is the most recent book by

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Speaker 1: Steve Gorham and I guess that's still available, right Steve.

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Speaker 10: Yes, sir, they can get it from my website Steve

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Speaker 10: Gorum G O R E H A M dot com.

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Speaker 10: Send them assigned copy if they buy it. And in

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Speaker 10: addition to the science and economics, these have a whole

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Speaker 10: bunch of their color paperbacks, a whole bunch of fun sidebars,

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Speaker 10: real headlines like this one quote Engineers create world's first

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Speaker 10: carbon neutral cement out of LG. The article goes on

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Speaker 10: to say it's currently unclear how cost effective the method

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Speaker 10: to be compared to traditional cement production. Yeah, that's the

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Speaker 10: problem with all this green stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Breakdown, Green Breakdown by Steve gorm and wonderful to

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Speaker 1: have you as all with Steve. Thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Garry, Joe, until the next time.

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Speaker 1: You bet you coming up next, Mark Lee Gardner and

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Speaker 1: Brothers of the Gun, his new book about Wyatt Earp

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Speaker 1: and Doc Holliday. Joining us for a few minutes tonight

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Speaker 1: is a man named Mark Lee Gardner. I had the

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Speaker 1: pleasure of talking to him last weekend in another platform

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Speaker 1: here in iHeartMedia, and it was interesting enough I thought

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Speaker 1: we could just on the nightcap. Mark has written a

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Speaker 1: book that is kind of a first of its kind

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Speaker 1: for its genre. If you look at Old West nonfiction

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Speaker 1: and you look at the characters Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday,

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Speaker 1: extensive amounts has been written on both. And you've seen

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Speaker 1: the movie Tombstone, maybe read about the OK Corral, but

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Speaker 1: this goes well beyond it and kind of inside the

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Speaker 1: relationship between the two men. It's a dueling biography, if

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Speaker 1: you will, of both Erp and Doc Holliday. And to

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Speaker 1: talk about it for a few minutes, the author, Mark

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Speaker 1: Lee Gardner. Brothers of the Gun is the name of

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Speaker 1: the book. How you doing, Good? Good?

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Speaker 5: How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Gary?

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Speaker 1: So you were explaining to me when we talked previously

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Speaker 1: that these guys were actually lifelong friends.

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, I mean.

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Speaker 11: That's kind of the interesting thing is that, I mean

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Speaker 11: they weren't childhood friends, but as adults they had a

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Speaker 11: very strong bond for the few years that they were together.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean Doc Holliday didn't actually his life wasn't

658
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: all that long, was it.

659
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 2: No, it was not.

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Speaker 11: He died at thirty six, and you know he grew

661
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Speaker 11: up in a thing. Yeah, he was a single child.

662
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 11: He had no brothers and sisters, and of course the

663
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Speaker 11: earths there were all kinds of brothers, and it was

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Speaker 11: like he became a member of the family, you know,

665
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Speaker 11: he all of a sudden had these bonus brothers.

666
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well, and a couple of things that I

667
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: found astounding about the OK Corral. We all have this

668
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: myth in our mind of this big, expansive kind of shootout.

669
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Speaker 1: But it was actually in a very small space, wasn't it, Mark, Yeah.

670
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 11: You know some of the accounts it's basically between fifteen

671
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 11: or nineteen feet why this very narrow, empty lot. And

672
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 11: it wasn't even at the OK Corral. It was at

673
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Speaker 11: the rear of the OK Corral.

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Speaker 1: Huh. Now what was why at Erp a legitimate law man?

675
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Speaker 1: I mean, I know he had a badge in all

676
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: of that. Was he was he a bad guy? Or

677
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: was he upholding the law most of the time?

678
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 11: Well, you know, he, as I say he was. He

679
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 11: was very good at enforcing the law, and he was

680
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 11: also pretty good at breaking the law. You know, with

681
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 11: the Vendetta ride, he's using his badge to go after

682
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 11: the killers of his brother Morgan and those that.

683
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 2: Tried to assassinate Virgil.

684
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 11: But as a lawman in places like Dodgsony in Wichita, he.

685
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Speaker 1: Was very good.

686
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: You know.

687
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 11: His main job was disarming drunken cowboys and he had

688
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 11: a very quick way of doing that. Usually he was

689
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 11: slamming him on the head with the barrel of his gun.

690
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: Nice the Doc Holliday was a dentist at one point,

691
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: but it wasn't really his main vocation. His main vocation

692
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: was an avocation, wasn't it.

693
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 11: Yes, yeah, he he became a professional gameber. I mean,

694
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 11: that's the thing about Doc is that he actually went

695
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 11: to the best dental school in the country was in Philadelphia.

696
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 11: He had a dental degree, so he was a real doctor.

697
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 11: And actually his first job at first office that he

698
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 11: shared with a man, a fellow dentist in Dallas, they

699
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 11: got an award for their dentistry. So he was an

700
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 11: award winning dentist in his early twenty But he could

701
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 11: not resist the gambling table, the Monty tables and the

702
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 11: Pharaoh tables, and soon that became his main occupation with gambling.

703
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: Was life pretty hard scrabble, hard scrabble back in the

704
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: Old West for folks if they lived outside cities.

705
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 11: Yes, South, you know, I mean if you're a fotbuster

706
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 11: or a small rancher, I.

707
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: Mean, yeah, it was.

708
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 11: It wasn't an easy lie. But if you were in

709
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 11: those boom towns, I mean they had smoke, you know,

710
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 11: fresh oysters, the fighters, champagnes, you know, gambling halls with

711
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 11: Brussel carpets.

712
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you wouldn't really notice.

713
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 11: If you were in Tombstone, Arizona in eighteen eighty one,

714
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 11: you could get anything that you could get in New

715
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 11: York City.

716
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: Was life more glorified in the movies? We see that.

717
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: I mean these two characters, specifically white Urb and Doc Holiday.

718
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: What did the movies get wrong about these two guys?

719
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: Well, I think what usually they get wrong is.

720
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Speaker 11: They have this good guy bad guy where the good

721
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 11: guys are really pure and they're on the right side,

722
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 11: and they don't necessarily portray kind of this mixed I mean,

723
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 11: everybody has their flaws and failings, and not everyone was

724
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 11: you know that we're a badge as a hero, and

725
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 11: so the movies really want to make that black and

726
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 11: white and clear. You know, white Er he was an

727
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 11: upstanding hero, and he had some dark episodes in his past,

728
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 11: as did Doc Holliday.

729
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: Now both of them died in poverty, is that right.

730
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: That's correct.

731
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Doc Holliday he died in eighteen eighty seven at the

733
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 11: age of thirty six. He had nothing, just a few

734
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 11: personal items that were shipped to his family in Georgia.

735
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 11: Wieter died age eighty in nineteen twenty nine. And you know,

736
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 11: he was always trying to get a break, you know,

737
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 11: whether it was mining or gambling. And his last at

738
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 11: Timp he thought, you know, I'm going to tell my

739
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 11: life story, get it published, and he just didn't live long.

740
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: Enough to see that happen.

741
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 11: It was his life who benefited from that book that

742
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 11: came out in nineteen thirty one.

743
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: He said that the movie Cowboys like Tom Mix came

744
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: to white Earp's funeral.

745
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 11: That's correct. Bill Hart and Tom Mix were actually pallbearers,

746
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 11: and they held white Earp in high esteem. I mean,

747
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 11: they really liked him as a man, and we're in

748
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 11: awe of his career as a lawman.

749
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: Fantastic The books out now, Brothers of the Gun is

750
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: the name. It's a dueling biography of a daring duo

751
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: known as Wyatt Earp and Doc Holiday, and I guess

752
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: it's available everywhere books are, right, Mark, that is correct?

753
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: All right, fantastic, Thanks for taking a few minutes out

754
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: to talk about fascinating stuff. If you love the Old

755
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: West and you love a good yarn, but you also

756
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: love the truth behind these legendary characters, I highly recommend

757
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: this particular book. Thank you, Mark Lee Gardner. I appreciate

758
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: your time.

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00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 2: Thank you, Gary.

760
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 1: We move on in the Nightcap with the fur Ball

761
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: coming up in just minutes on seven hundred WLW. Our

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00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: friend Andy Furman was going to join us tonight he

763
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: usually does on our nightcap sessions, but he had some

764
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: last minute technical difficulties and so that kind of left

765
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: me scrambling. I mean I need to fix the fur ball.

766
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: I mean you can't spell fu without Furman, right. So

767
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: here is a revisitation on a conversation I had again.

768
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: If there's some dated references to sporting events, and people understand,

769
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: this is vintage Furman and just like a fine wine,

770
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: well you know how that goes here you have it.

771
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 1: They always say finish with a flourish, and I can't

772
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: finish any more. Flourished than with the fur ball. And

773
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: that's all the f's I have for right now. But

774
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: we're early on in the conversation. Andy Furman joined us

775
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: on the night Cap on this Tuesday evening. Good evening,

776
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: mister Furman, How are you?

777
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: Good evening? How are you to Tuesdays roll around so quickly?

778
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 8: I can't wait. It's really good. It's good to talk

779
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 8: to you.

780
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: I love I love thee I love the Jewish vampire accent.

781
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: That was really good, good evening. So I told you

782
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: that a week ago, last Tuesday night, as I was

783
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: going to bed, I lost my balance. I was not drunk,

784
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: not inebriated, not any any way, compromise that I can

785
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: tell you. I lost my balance and I fell in

786
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: the bedroom. I was like two steps on the b

787
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: on the floor, two steps from being in the bed

788
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 1: with my wife who was fast asleep, and I fell

789
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: and I fell right on her violin case. It was

790
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: sitting on the floor of the bedroom, which is very hard,

791
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: and I think I I'm almost sure I broke ribs.

792
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: I never went to the hospital.

793
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: It's very silly thing to do. Are you trying to

794
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: do like gymnastic tricks or something? Like that, why would

795
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: you do that?

796
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 1: I it wasn't planned, It wasn't anything I asked for.

797
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: It just happened.

798
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: And the sympathy is that why you're telling me this?

799
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 2: Your suggested your sympathy. I mean, are you trying to

800
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: tell the audience right now, like, wow, I showed up

801
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 2: to you for this show because I'm in pain. No

802
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: one cares, really, no one cares?

803
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I care.

804
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: I cared for you because I know it much.

805
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 1: You say no one, So I figured you were including

806
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: yourself and the no one about the caring part.

807
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: But you know what, we got business to take care of.

808
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 2: We could talk about that later. This time it's important.

809
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 2: Do you promise wait long for this?

810
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 1: You promised that we can talk about it later, maybe

811
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: even tonight, after we get through the important stuff. Okay, yes,

812
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 1: Well what's so important? What's so important? What's more important?

813
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: I thought?

814
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: My pain?

815
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 2: And after the Bengals, after the Bengals lost, I mean,

816
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: you know, I love the media, not not the national

817
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: media as much as the local media, because the national

818
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 2: media always beats the law local media on stories. Why

819
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, but maybe that's because maybe they're a

820
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: certain person delegated to that topic, and they they get

821
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: the story. I mean that's probably the reason why I

822
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: don't know.

823
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: They got they got bigger, they got bigger budgets, probably.

824
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably, so the biggest standard. I mean, they were scientists.

825
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 2: Certain things should be. But the local media all of

826
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: a sudden, now woe is me. The Bengals are losing.

827
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: They they don't care. They don't care. Let me tell

828
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 2: you something. I really this is like a trade secret.

829
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: Those that do talk radio in the world of sports

830
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 2: are happy when the local team loses because that's when

831
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: the phones line up. That's when there's controversy. That's when

832
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: you could yell and scream and say fire the coach

833
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: to do this. Believe I'm telling you that's the way

834
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 2: it is. They don't care. They put on the facade like, oh,

835
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 2: you know, they need to get defense, they need to

836
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 2: get better than this. They know you're happy that they lose.

837
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 2: First of there's there's nothing gain when they win. Think

838
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 2: about that. Does the local talk show hosts gain anything

839
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 2: when they win? I don't think so. You care about

840
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: one thing, and one thing all you know what that

841
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: is your ratings, your revenue and your show and your

842
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 2: show is better when they lose. I promise you. That's

843
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 2: the name of the game. Now, I know you may

844
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 2: not agree, but you know it's true.

845
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if it's better when your local

846
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: team loses.

847
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: But you don't want to benefit a talk show host,

848
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: not for the city, not for the team.

849
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: You don't want to you're not telling me that after

850
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety victory by the Reds and the sweep

851
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: and the World Series, the talk radio wasn't booming. Then

852
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: you're not telling me that after you have to win

853
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: it all.

854
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 2: No, you have to win it all or be a loser.

855
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: Like this year with the Reds mediocre, it was like,

856
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 2: you know, teasing, they're teasing me. It seems to me,

857
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: and that's it.

858
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: It seems to me like the like when the Bengals

859
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: last went to the Super Bowl and Joe Burr second year, Uh.

860
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 2: It's big.

861
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: They did, they did. They did lose ultimately in the

862
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowl to the Rams.

863
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: But they made the Super Bowl.

864
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: But but yeah, talk radio talk radioc after the Bengels

865
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: had that success and Andy, So I don't know if you're

866
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: telling me the truth or not.

867
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: On a week two week basis, the local talk show

868
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: hosts host love when they lose because the phone lines

869
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: light up. Fire this guy, get rid of this guy.

870
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: This guy's a thumb. Really, you know all all preseason.

871
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 2: You gotta sign Jamar Chase, you gotta sign t Higgins.

872
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 2: Now I'm hearing the talk shows. Now they spent too

873
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: much money on the offensive side of the ball. See,

874
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 2: that's what it's all about, controversy. There's no happy medium really.

875
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I always say, and you use that

876
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: term happy medium. If anyone could really truly foresee the future,

877
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: they'd be miserable. There are no such things as happy

878
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: medium because they know how bleak the future really is.

879
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: Andy, it's not bleaked. The future is great. Everybody looks

880
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: forward to the future.

881
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: No future, the future, the future, this Bengals team is bleak. Oh,

882
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to agree. I'm not trying to

883
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: harvest any kind of hostility or animosity or generate phone calls,

884
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: because you're the only phone call that matters right now.

885
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: Well, I will tell you. Host in the car yesterday

886
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 2: and I heard a phone call saying that this Bengals

887
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: team will never win as long as Mike Brown owns

888
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: a team and I was almost tempted to pull over

889
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: the side of the road and call in, really, because

890
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: what does Mike Brown have to do with missing tackles.

891
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 2: I don't understand why he gets such a bad rap.

892
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: I know he's the owner of the team, but come on,

893
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: get off his back. I mean, I think he's a

894
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 2: wonderful man, and God bless him. He's ninety years old.

895
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: I would love to see him get a Super Bowl ring.

896
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 2: Oh before his time is up. And now I'm married.

897
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: Call to say he doesn't want to win. What moron

898
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 2: owning a team does not want to win? Tell me

899
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: about that, really, if you want to see you don't

900
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 2: want to win that he may not know that there's

901
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: round to win, and then but he certainly wants to win.

902
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: And then there's the other side of the issue. And

903
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: people might argue this, Andy, in response to what you

904
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: just said, maybe Mike Brown wins every season. Mike Brown

905
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: and the Brown family wins every season. And you can

906
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: make that argument because they are multimillionaires. They don't lose money,

907
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: and in fact, they they absolutely cash in on the

908
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: Bengals without winning.

909
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 2: The owner of the Carolina Panthers, too, right, You can

910
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: say that about everything. But I will say this, they

911
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 2: keep on losing, they will take a big hit. Is

912
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: for a season tickets to concern as you remember several

913
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: years ago on Yes, I that was like thirty thousand

914
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: a game. There. It is revenue right there that would

915
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 2: be lost.

916
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: I agree, but I'm just saying that from a business standpoint.

917
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: The Brown family wins include Mike every single game because

918
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: they're in the black.

919
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: He played football at Dartmouth. He wants to win. He's

920
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: in it to win. Believe what they want to win?

921
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: Well, hold on, hold on, hold on. He played football

922
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: at Dartmouth. He wants to win. When was Dartmouth's last

923
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: winning season, Andy.

924
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but you know he played college football.

925
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: Reggie Williams played at Artmouth. A lot of players people

926
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: play at Dartmouth. I mean, what's wrong with Dartmouth? I mean, really,

927
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 2: I don't know.

928
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: People have been asking that question for years when it

929
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: comes to Dartmouth football. What's wrong with Dartmouth. I'm looking

930
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: it up right now. Dartmouth. I know where it is. Yeah,

931
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: they actually they're.

932
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 2: Not for football.

933
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: For academics, listen, let me tell you about Dartmouth. Dartmouth

934
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: is second in the IVY League. They're big green football.

935
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: You know that they still have to play. They have

936
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: to play Harvard coming up this coming Saturday, then Princeton,

937
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: then Cornell and then Brown. We're back to the Brown family.

938
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 2: I think that the worst is over.

939
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: So there their second and so I guess if you play,

940
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: if you play football at Dartmouth, you do care about winning.

941
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: You were right, Mike Brown played football at Dartmouth and

942
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 1: he cares about.

943
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 2: Obviously, you never played sports, or you never involved.

944
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: I did play.

945
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: You put the uniform on. I don't care who you are.

946
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 2: You could play stickball in the park. Okay, you could,

947
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 2: as only as you put a uniform on your competing

948
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 2: in the game you want to win.

949
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: Did you have Did you have stickball uniforms back in Brooklyn, Andy.

950
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 2: No, we just wore T shirts and so you just.

951
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: Use their uniform reference. Let me tell you something. I

952
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: proudly put on the uniform of the Knox Dows Red

953
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: Raiders in eight to nineteen playing basketball.

954
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 2: Win. I just well, you lost, you felt a little

955
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: down for me.

956
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: I just I just wanted to get in the game.

957
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: Forget forget about wanting to win.

958
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 2: You know, if we were.

959
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: Being blown out or we're blowing someone out on either side.

960
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: I usually got in. And there was one game against

961
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: Mount Juliet this is in Tennessee ninth grade basketball, where

962
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: me and a guy named Tommy Gwill both got in

963
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: the game. The team was down by five points as

964
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: we entered the fourth quarter. The coach was furious with

965
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: the starters. He put us in and we brought the

966
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: team back and we won the game because of our.

967
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 2: Contribution to do. I'm just curious, what did you have

968
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 2: to do with it? I mean, what was your game defense?

969
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: But I had. I had two steals, one a stolen

970
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: pass and one stolen on the dribble, and I had

971
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: a fast break lay up. I had a twenty foot

972
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: shot that went straight through, and I had a mid

973
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: range jumper just below the free throw line in the

974
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: middle of trap. I scored six points in the fourth quarter.

975
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: This is in junior high basketball. Andy had two stings

976
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: and two rebounds. What do you mean what happened?

977
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: I was a super Well, you peak, you peaked too

978
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 2: early in life, That's what happened. No, I mean I

979
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: was downhill since then, I guess right, I.

980
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: Was five foot I was five foot ten and I

981
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: had white Man's disease. I mean I could touch the rim,

982
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: but that was about it. But I did care about winning.

983
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 1: You're right, you put on the uniform. You care about winning.

984
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 2: No doubt, no doubt. But he here's the thing. Now,

985
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 2: So they're losing, and the Bengals are losing, and there

986
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 2: was a terrible loss that may have been the worst

987
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 2: loss in Zach Zach Taylor's career here in stay right.

988
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 2: But but I will tell you this. So yesterday, I

989
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 2: believe it was I had a player's only meeting. So

990
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: what is that? You know that? You know what that does?

991
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: I mean the average Joseph Lot's good. The players can't him. No,

992
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 2: it's a finger pointing where the locker room is beginning

993
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 2: to crack. That's what it's. Finger point I think, like

994
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: you're not doing your job. Play better. Get really, I

995
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 2: will say this, And they talk about Duke tobyh they're

996
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 2: talking about Zach Taylor. Here's the bottom line.

997
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 4: You need it.

998
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 2: We like we talked about this maybe even a week ago.

999
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: You need a coach that's a leader that could get respect,

1000
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: that has played the game, that has been there, done that,

1001
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 2: and also puts a little bit of fear in these players.

1002
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 2: These guys love Zach Taylor. Zach Taylor is a wonderful man.

1003
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: He's a good husband, a good father, good family man,

1004
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 2: a very nice guy. Maybe he's too nice a guy

1005
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 2: to be a coach. That's the problem. Dan Campbell will

1006
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: cheer you up and spit you out. And that's why

1007
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions win. All right. You look at these

1008
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 2: coaches that have an attitude, that are tough, that give

1009
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 2: you that stare. The media are afraid of these guys. Really,

1010
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: the postgame news conferences, they're afraid to ask Dan Campbell

1011
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: a question. Really you'll know. But again, and with Zach Taylor,

1012
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: it's like it's different and they need to get a

1013
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: coach who could bring discipline. These guys aren't bad. They're

1014
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 2: not bad football in the National Footballer. You know this

1015
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 2: as well as anybody else. There's not that much of

1016
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 2: a difference between teammate and t B with talent. If

1017
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 2: you make the NFL, you're pretty good. But you need

1018
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 2: to be developed by a coach who could bring the

1019
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: best out of you well.

1020
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: Under the under the guys of you gotta you gotta

1021
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: be a tough as nuts kind of guy to be

1022
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: a successful NFL coach. What about Andy Reid, He doesn't

1023
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: seem like he's that that bearish on the side.

1024
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 2: We respect you, right, because Marven Levy was not tough.

1025
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: I don't really you know. So there are guys that's successful,

1026
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: but it's the personality. They're good leaders and players believe

1027
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 2: in them. Yeah, and they'll get them. You know. I

1028
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 2: am sure that players could come to meetings late with

1029
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 2: the Bengals have nothing to say, really, I mean, I

1030
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 2: I've talked the players that played for Bill Belichick. They

1031
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 2: said they would sit there watch ten minutes earlier just

1032
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 2: for fear of being late to a meeting. That's what

1033
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 2: they do. I don't think that happens in Cincinnati. I

1034
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 2: might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

1035
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean Zach taylor uh coaching expertise has

1036
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: been questioned all along. His play calling is always questions,

1037
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: and it certainly wasn't It seems like there were no

1038
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: tea there's no teeth to that defense once again on

1039
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: Sunday against the team that had not won a game

1040
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: yet in the NFL.

1041
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 2: And you know, the jounning game was was rolling, yes,

1042
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 2: and the.

1043
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: Second half situation they didn't. They didn't run the ball

1044
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: in the second half.

1045
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 2: And why he had three three consecutive pass plays at

1046
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 2: the end of the fourth quarter. Why the running game

1047
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 2: was was dominant, really rolling in the run game, and

1048
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 2: he changed it. I sometimes think the game is too

1049
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 2: big for zat Taylor and he's as they say, he's

1050
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,959
Speaker 2: a nice man, but he hasn't got the experience under

1051
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 2: his belt. Really. You know, you told about your guy

1052
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 2: in Kansas City, Andy Reid. He had the experience because

1053
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 2: for years he was in Philadelphia, right right, it comes

1054
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: to Kansas City. What experience you have to have experience? Really,

1055
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 2: you're a radio guy, you got like thirty forty years experience.

1056
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 2: You just can't throw a kid behind the microphones. They

1057
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 2: do it, they have the talent, but you got to

1058
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 2: be polished, You got to be led. Forrest Gregg was

1059
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 2: a great coach here. He was tough, He knew a

1060
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 2: football game. You look at the coaches that have coached

1061
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals, how many of them have had NFL

1062
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 2: experience and the ones that have not, most of them failed.

1063
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 2: Dave Sula came here on his name, never coached before.

1064
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,479
Speaker 2: It was horrendous and Bett Taylor's following the same round.

1065
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: I have to agree with you on the Dave Shula

1066
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: comparison to Zach Taylor and Dave Shula was the reason

1067
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: that was hard for me when I moved here to

1068
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: get into watching the Bengals play because it was so

1069
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: woeful and you know what, he turned to a guy

1070
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: who could have been, you know, a serviceable NFL quarterback

1071
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: into a laughingstock. And David Klinger with the fact that

1072
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: he just and the fact that people hired Dave Shula

1073
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: after his head coaching stanton Cincinnati to be an offensive

1074
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: coordinator offensive coach, just really makes me laugh.

1075
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 2: Monday Night football game when Gary Reasons pulled a cap

1076
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 2: over Da've showl his head, it was I don't respect,

1077
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 2: but it's all about respect. All these coaches all know

1078
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 2: exes and homes. There's no doubt in my mind they

1079
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 2: know the game of football. Really, they don't want football,

1080
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,439
Speaker 2: you know in a symbol that I that I could

1081
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: learn in my lifetime. But that's their job. It's not

1082
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 2: my job. It's their job and they know it. It's

1083
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: how you teach the game. That's how it's that's how

1084
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 2: it's that that's how you become one better than the other,

1085
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 2: how you become successful, how you teach the game to others.

1086
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 2: And it is if they could listen to you. This

1087
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 2: this team only meeting, I think it's dangerous. I really do.

1088
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 2: I really closed door players only meeting. I think it's

1089
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 2: a dangerous thing. I really do.

1090
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: You mentioned the closed knit nature of the fraternity of

1091
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: NFL head coaches. Maybe the whole thing was designed to

1092
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: save Aaron Glenn's because Zach Taylor knew that Mike Brown

1093
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: will continue to pay him whether they win or not.

1094
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: And and Aaron Glenn came in with the Jets and

1095
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: he hadn't won a game let yet this year, and

1096
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: there's so much frustration in New York over the Jets

1097
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: not being able to scratch. And maybe maybe Zach Taylor

1098
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: was just doing a solid for Aaron Glenn with the coaching.

1099
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 2: Tell you this, if you watch that Jet team there,

1100
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 2: you got to give the Aaron Glenn a lot of

1101
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 2: credit because I didn't see that team quit. No, I

1102
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 2: didn't see the team quit on him.

1103
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: Never.

1104
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 2: They played hard, and I don't think they're a bad team.

1105
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 2: They've lost several games, but just a few points, but

1106
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 2: less than a touchdown, So I think they're really good now.

1107
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 2: I think they got that quarterback. Now, that's the key

1108
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 2: to Tyron Taylor. And I knew, and I'm not saying

1109
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 2: this because the game is over now, but I knew

1110
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 2: that they'd be more dangerous without Tyron Taylor because Taylor

1111
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: cannot run the football. You know. They ran the football

1112
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 2: on the center. That's what they did against the Bengals

1113
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 2: and it worked. So I think they found themselves a quarterback.

1114
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,919
Speaker 2: And maybe maybe it was the motivation by their owner

1115
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 2: Woody Johnson, who basically said, I hope we could get

1116
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 2: a quarterback that had complete a pass. That may have

1117
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: been the motivation needed for him to go out there

1118
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 2: and play and beat the Bengals. Could you believe that

1119
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 2: that game on Sunday, the only time that Jets leg

1120
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 2: was in the game was over, Yeah, the only time

1121
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 2: they let I know.

1122
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: How about this, how about all of the all the

1123
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: hoopla over Hendricks Henderson before the season. You know, Willie

1124
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: sign is he going to sit out the whole.

1125
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 2: Miss man now?

1126
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: And and and all of this. He was so important

1127
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: to be on that defense to give the Bengals a

1128
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: bona fide pass rusher and after all of that hand

1129
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: rigging and all the money that the Bengals had to

1130
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: pay to keep him, and they'd probably franchise tag him

1131
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: after this season. Uh and and he's he's not even

1132
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: a factor because he's not in the game. He's hurt.

1133
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 2: Well, he got a cheap shot, he really did. If

1134
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 2: you watched the game, he got hit, it was a

1135
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 2: cheap shot. They should have called.

1136
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: I would agree, you know, But it's just funny, funny

1137
01:04:58,720 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: how things work out.

1138
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 2: You know, he's not going to play, probably not going

1139
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 2: to play this week against the Bears. And I tell

1140
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 2: you right now, I mean if the Bears win, the

1141
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 2: Bears win Sunday, and you know, I would think the

1142
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 2: Bears probably would be favored, you know, in this game.

1143
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 2: I really, even though it's a home game, I know

1144
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 2: you can just wash away the season I have.

1145
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: Really, I have no, no, no reason to think of

1146
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: why the Bears wouldn't be favored.

1147
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 5: Andy.

1148
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: Really, he's got a great coach. He learned under the

1149
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 2: Detroit Lion system, under Dan Campbell system. He's a good

1150
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 2: head coach. He's turned around and the Bears have a

1151
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 2: running game which they didn't have in the past. And

1152
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 2: when you have a running game against the Bengal defense

1153
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 2: that can't stop the run. Fingo, what does that mean?

1154
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,959
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Mike Brown should be at that players only

1155
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: meeting to bring the winning spirit of Dartmouth football to

1156
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: his Cincinnati Bengals year.

1157
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 2: Listen to you. You know there's one guy I feel

1158
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 2: so good about today, and that's lu Ana Rumo, the

1159
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 2: Indianapolis Colts defensive coordinator. Indianapolis has the best record in

1160
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 2: the National Football League seven and one, and they should

1161
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 2: set no. But they had that one clown who had

1162
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 2: the ball over his head and he lost it before

1163
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 2: he crossed the goal line and he fumbled it and

1164
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 2: they lost that ball game. But they should be eight

1165
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 2: and oh, there's seven to one and Louis get doing

1166
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 2: the job. So you know, he was a scapegoat, and

1167
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 2: now we know that he was not the scapegoat. And

1168
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 2: the funny thing is they bring in the defensive coordinator

1169
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 2: from Notre Dame, right, he's here now, Golden Al Golden,

1170
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 2: and now his name has been surface and rumored to

1171
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 2: be the next coach at Penn State.

1172
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: Well, maybe the Bengals should bring me into a player's

1173
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: only meeting and I can speak is the super sub

1174
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: of the Noxtars Red Raiders in ninth grade when I

1175
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: led the team as a super sub to victory on

1176
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: the road in Mount Juliett, Tennessee. Andy, We've got to go.

1177
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, all right, my friend, have a good week.

1178
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 2: I'll see you next week.

1179
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm recovering. I have broken ribs. Nobody cares. Andy tells me,

1180
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: I do care?

1181
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 2: I care? I care now, I care because I've finished.

1182
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 2: Now I can thank you.

1183
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: Goodbye. We'll close next. I guess we're done with the rain. Please.

1184
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: That was a day louge. Earlier today, hydro planning up

1185
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: seventy one is one of my least favorite sports. But

1186
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: I survived. I hope you did with that, God willing.

1187
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: I'll be back Saturday morning for our fun on the

1188
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: Saturday Morning edition and all our cast of characters, and

1189
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: back here next week as we get you ready for

1190
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:34,959
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving on the Nightcap next Monday and Tuesday night. Until then,

1191
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: see you, Leeda. And here is our national anthem to

1192
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: honor America. We only have one anthem national anthem in

1193
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: this country, just so as you know, it's this the

1194
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: Star Spangled banner on seven hundred WLW