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Speaker 2: Scott filling here on seven up with W.
Speaker 3: LW.
Speaker 2: So we've heard the story of the age Ol store
Speaker 2: about renters the landlords, and there's an effort to reduce
Speaker 2: repeat emergency calls to rental properties. And you know, sometimes
Speaker 2: there are properties out there and people renting that are nuisance.
Speaker 2: At least in Kentucky, common sense is king because they're
Speaker 2: they're proposing a law which would address chronic nuisance occurrences
Speaker 2: at rental properties. A three strikes in your outlaw and on.
Speaker 2: That is Boon County Commissioner Jesse Brewer working with State REPTJ.
Speaker 2: Roberts in Northern Kentucky for house spilled three three seven
Speaker 2: that would do just this. Jesse, welcome, how you been?
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm great, Thank you. Thanks for venting me on
Speaker 3: to Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it. All right, give me the details of though,
Speaker 2: First of all, why is this needed? How big a
Speaker 2: problem are the nuisance tenants in Northern Kentucky and Boone County?
Speaker 1: So well, it's not just Boone County, it's everywhere.
Speaker 3: This is it.
Speaker 1: It's any area where you have rental property. What if
Speaker 1: you get someone that's excessively abusing public services. You know,
Speaker 1: they're this is for the person that plays for a
Speaker 1: radio two loud all the time, or maybe partaking in
Speaker 1: some substances they shouldn't partake in. The neighbors smell it
Speaker 1: and complain or whatever the case may be, what they
Speaker 1: called neighbor.
Speaker 3: Someone calls nine to one.
Speaker 1: One, the police have to go out there, The paramedics
Speaker 1: have to go out there for whatever reason, and also
Speaker 1: not taking away from their job of what they should
Speaker 1: be doing, you know, because they have to respond no
Speaker 1: matter what, because what if it's that one time.
Speaker 3: There is really a problem, right, so they.
Speaker 1: Got to respond well after they do this so many times,
Speaker 1: the cities in counties two where they can tell the
Speaker 1: property owner, hey, we got a problem here at this property.
Speaker 3: We've been here x y z times. Okay.
Speaker 1: You know, I had a tenant in a building in
Speaker 1: the city in Kenton County and I think the police
Speaker 1: were there eighteen times in a thirty day span because
Speaker 1: he would just went and put playing a stereo loud
Speaker 1: and then they were kept calling. And so the city
Speaker 1: came to me and said, hey, you gotta do something
Speaker 1: about this or you're gonna to start finding you. Well,
Speaker 1: under current law, if a tenants paying their rent, you
Speaker 1: can't just give them a seven day nose to vacate
Speaker 1: for non payment of rent. I know Ohio is three day,
Speaker 1: but in Kentucky at seven, you can't just give them
Speaker 1: a seven day non non payment notice. You gotta file
Speaker 1: thirty day eviction notice. You gotta file thirty day notice
Speaker 1: to vacate.
Speaker 3: Then you can to victim.
Speaker 1: So don't give me dinner for two to three months. Well,
Speaker 1: what House Bill three thirty seven will do is it
Speaker 1: will allow us to shorten that length and that notice period,
Speaker 1: shorten that up, allowing to get them out quicker the
Speaker 1: nu sense, which is or less of austraight on public services.
Speaker 1: The property owner can then maybe get a tenant in
Speaker 1: there that's a good community member. Lower their costs, you know,
Speaker 1: because you got a person that's doing this things tearing
Speaker 1: the place up. Lower my cost I lower my operating costs,
Speaker 1: I lower my housing costs. Housing gets cheaper.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, that makes sense. Let me see. Let
Speaker 2: me play devil's advocate for just a second. I like
Speaker 2: being the devil's advocate here. This happened in Ohio years
Speaker 2: ago when we had when gun crimes are starting to,
Speaker 2: I guess become more of an issue than they are now.
Speaker 2: Seems kind of quaint to think that wasn't a case.
Speaker 2: But they decided, hey, we're going to sue gun man
Speaker 2: if we're going after gun manufacture. And the defense was, well,
Speaker 2: you know what, why are you soon as well? Because
Speaker 2: the cost police fire, emergency responders and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: It's a fall of the gun wind up happening. He said, well, no,
Speaker 2: that's why police fire and MS exists is in order
Speaker 2: to do that. You can't sue someone for doing their
Speaker 2: job in that case. Does that apply here in that Yeah,
Speaker 2: it might be a nuisance and it's training resources. But
Speaker 2: police fire and MS exists to respond in this case
Speaker 2: nuisance tentence. Police exists to respond to things like that
Speaker 2: as part of their job description. Is that an affirmable defense?
Speaker 1: It could be, but then they're going to look to
Speaker 1: you as a property owner because they have ordinances and
Speaker 1: they're folks to say, you have a problem ten here
Speaker 1: that's creating and creating us to be called come here
Speaker 1: too much, stucking up too much resources, and we're going
Speaker 1: to start charging you for these trips, or you've got
Speaker 1: a problem here with this tenant because the resident that
Speaker 1: you're responsible for because we are here too.
Speaker 3: Much, got it because so it's I.
Speaker 1: Feel what you're saying on that. But with the ordinance
Speaker 1: and laws are in the books, we are kind of
Speaker 1: forced as proper as to do something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because because then I could I could turn that
Speaker 2: around and go, Okay, well if I got to make
Speaker 2: if we're making multiple runs to the same place over
Speaker 2: and over and over again, could that not apply to
Speaker 2: I don't know, a sports stadium. Could that un apply
Speaker 2: to a university? Could that not apply Let's say to
Speaker 2: a nursing home where you know, again whether it's police,
Speaker 2: fire and mess. Okay, there's a nursing home there where
Speaker 2: I live, and in every other day there's a squad
Speaker 2: out front, largely because the people inside are the age
Speaker 2: where they're passing away or suffering the debilitating or stressing
Speaker 2: medical emergencies as it comes with old age. But no
Speaker 2: one would agree that, hey, you know what, we should
Speaker 2: target a nursing home because of all the response calls
Speaker 2: we have there because they're abusing the system.
Speaker 1: Correct, and that's where the abuse is the system going
Speaker 1: to come in. As a specific person, if you have
Speaker 1: a nursing home, a large department store. You're getting calls
Speaker 1: of different people, different issues, or they're legitimate medical burgencies.
Speaker 1: And again, this doesn't get triggered unless the city or
Speaker 1: the municipalities cite the property of yeah so. And they're
Speaker 1: not going to do that unless it's a legitimate abusive resource.
Speaker 1: If it's the legitarison to be there, they're not gonna
Speaker 1: that's those triggers wouldn't happen.
Speaker 2: Got it, got it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And in Cincinnati, I don't know if it's changed since
Speaker 2: or not. I don't own proper to Cincinnati, but for
Speaker 2: a while they were talking, Hey, you know what, if
Speaker 2: you've got a you know, a tenant that's a problem.
Speaker 2: After a couple occurrences, we're going to start finding the landlord.
Speaker 2: I go, wait a minute, now, if I've got a
Speaker 2: grown ass adult living in one of my units, am
Speaker 2: I responsible to drive by several times a day to
Speaker 2: make sure that individuals not playing their music loud or
Speaker 2: smoking weed in the yard or doing it? And of
Speaker 2: course not that that's not that, not that's not the landlord.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with you at all, and but they
Speaker 1: look at you as their screen and responsible person to
Speaker 1: put them in there. So Mike counterd has been, well,
Speaker 1: if they own their own house, so you start signing
Speaker 1: fighting in Yeah, exactly, they said.
Speaker 3: The police sources said, yeah, we will. There's orgiousness for that.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, okay, I'm I supposed to say.
Speaker 2: That because the people who are irresponsible we won't hold accountable.
Speaker 2: We'll account the typical in America, the people who are
Speaker 2: responsible accountable. We're going to hold them responsible as opposed
Speaker 2: to the people are even though they're all adults. I
Speaker 2: can see it doing for a kid, but these are
Speaker 2: grown adults correct.
Speaker 1: And a lot of times when the first responders in
Speaker 1: the cities don't necessarily understand how landlord tenant law works,
Speaker 1: and they're like, get this person out of here, let's
Speaker 1: do process. I gotta give them a thirty day notice.
Speaker 1: I gotta wait for this, I gotta you know, there's
Speaker 1: hoops I gotta jump through, and they don't understand that,
Speaker 1: are grasped that and they get frustrated with you. So
Speaker 1: ideally this would allow us to identify the problem that
Speaker 1: apple is a few and speed up that time to
Speaker 1: save resources, preserve property. You know, if I got a tenant,
Speaker 1: that's just junking up the yard and jumping dunk junk
Speaker 1: cars in the yard, doing this and doing that. I
Speaker 1: gotta let them sit there and continue to damage the
Speaker 1: property for an extra month under the current wall, assuming
Speaker 1: that a rich Yeah, this way I can streak like,
Speaker 1: get get the streak the problem, lower my cost, get
Speaker 1: a better to in there, make the neighbors happy, make
Speaker 1: the police have, apartment, fire department happy, code enforcement happy, and.
Speaker 2: Everyone wins and it's good for the neighbor's day. If
Speaker 2: you you know the other thing Jesse Brewer by their
Speaker 2: Boone County Commissioner on this three strikes you're out law
Speaker 2: that's being proposed in Kentucky, meaning that if police have
Speaker 2: multiple calls, we'll get the details of that. A second,
Speaker 2: multiple calls to a rental property. Uh, you can, as
Speaker 2: a landlord evict that person that that holds them accountable
Speaker 2: for their actions. Because the way is in cincinnatiwis it
Speaker 2: was is all right, we're going to go after the landlord.
Speaker 2: If it's a new sentenant. Okay, well can I victim?
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no no, no, that's that's damn near
Speaker 2: impossible to kick these people out because you know, you
Speaker 2: got to go to court as a whole. Probably we
Speaker 2: wait a minute, hold on just a second. Here, this
Speaker 2: is Jesse. I like you because your common sense kind
Speaker 2: of guy like me. This is just damn common sense.
Speaker 2: Get into the details exactly, Yeah, get in the details
Speaker 2: of what the triggers for this eviction would be.
Speaker 1: Well, so, birst of all, it starts with if people
Speaker 1: just do what they're supposed to do and be normal
Speaker 1: human beings, you don't have anything to worry about.
Speaker 3: Right If people just do the right.
Speaker 1: Thing and and not be an a hole, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: then you wouldn't have any issues. But this is designed
Speaker 1: for you know, you got someone that's likes to put
Speaker 1: off a bunch of crap in the yard, the property
Speaker 1: and make it unsafe. They're putting cars, they're putting refrigerators
Speaker 1: or whatever they want to do.
Speaker 3: I had this happen to me. Well, city site you
Speaker 3: as they rightfully should.
Speaker 1: I get that. Okay, they're gonna side. If you can't
Speaker 1: do this, we've got to ordinances.
Speaker 3: Get this.
Speaker 1: You know, after about three or four of those, you
Speaker 1: like for when you always find a stack up and
Speaker 1: now they like, get this person out of here. You know,
Speaker 1: we keep coming over here to deal decisions. This person
Speaker 1: needs to go. Well, they pay their rent, so I
Speaker 1: to go file a thirty day notice to vacate on them,
Speaker 1: and then I can file an adviction after that if
Speaker 1: they stay, and that's another thirty days. Meanwhile, you're still
Speaker 1: dealing with the same issues and the frustrations of gath.
Speaker 1: Or you get another person that you know they like
Speaker 1: to play the stereo a little too loud and the
Speaker 1: neighbors are constantly calling the police. Well, if they shove
Speaker 1: about three or four or five times within a certain times, Maan,
Speaker 1: they will send you a love note that says we're
Speaker 1: going to start finding you.
Speaker 3: Mister property owner.
Speaker 1: You need to get your tenant community orders rules in line.
Speaker 1: So there's some layers that have to happen here. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to have an excessive repeat offender that that
Speaker 1: has unfounded you know, pulture service. Then the city would
Speaker 1: have to cite you or the city would say okay,
Speaker 1: this is the problem. They give you the notice. Then
Speaker 1: you can do the three day notice the vacate as
Speaker 1: this law of proposed gotcha and shave a month off
Speaker 1: the shave a month off the process.
Speaker 2: So you have to have what three three strikes in
Speaker 2: a would you say, six month period.
Speaker 3: That's not the current that's how it is currently written.
Speaker 1: But it's a lot of stiff falled discretion to when
Speaker 1: the city is also cite the landlords, there's still gonna
Speaker 1: be some bugs to work out here. I think the
Speaker 1: three months as the three, three and six months. But
Speaker 1: the city doesn't cite you or the county to fight you,
Speaker 1: then there's no trigger there. They have to be the
Speaker 1: one to take the step to site you.
Speaker 2: What about an element of discrimination here in a sense
Speaker 2: that because I'm just trying to think of how how
Speaker 2: one may counter this argument in poke holes and help
Speaker 2: the law become better. Let's say, for example, Uh, there's
Speaker 2: some bad neighbors and they don't like the person living
Speaker 2: there because they're young, they're old, they're white, they're black,
Speaker 2: they are I don't know, gay, straight, whatever it might be,
Speaker 2: and like the neighbors like, well, you know, or are
Speaker 2: they you know? I've seen this one before too, believe
Speaker 2: it on political affiliations. We don't want this person in
Speaker 2: the neighbor you do that? How do we know that
Speaker 2: those are legitimate calls for service and complaints as opposed
Speaker 2: to someone just trying to run someone off of property.
Speaker 3: And that's a good point that's too to be worked out.
Speaker 1: I believe it's the spirit of the law would be
Speaker 1: they are the problem, not someone calling on them for
Speaker 1: something that they can't control, like one of those.
Speaker 3: Types of things.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know you still have everyone still have the
Speaker 1: First Amendment right. They're still a right, you know, freedom
Speaker 1: of speech and be whatever of religion, political affiliation they want.
Speaker 1: And if you're you know, spare housing has a lot
Speaker 1: of protections there and someone's calling just one of those
Speaker 1: honored reasons, and the city gets there said, well, this
Speaker 1: isn't really have found a complaint. They can't go back
Speaker 1: on you and make you violate fair housing to move
Speaker 1: someone out because of the color their skin, or their
Speaker 1: religion or family deaths and everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, you could always find your neighbor doing something
Speaker 2: you disagree with, but calling the place. Some people do that.
Speaker 2: They're vindictive, they got nothing better to do. I've seen
Speaker 2: it happen. I'm sure you've seen it happen with with
Speaker 2: sentence as well. And whatever the issue is, they shouldn't
Speaker 2: cause you to lose where you live because it's the
Speaker 2: it's the other person's problem. Not yours.
Speaker 1: And that's gonna be where they have to have a
Speaker 1: valid nuisance violations, not something that's what you suggested.
Speaker 3: What would that that's something of.
Speaker 2: It, Jesse Burr. Would domestic violence calls be excluded from this?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I hope so, And that's something I would hope so
Speaker 1: because that's a safety issue, right, I would definitely hope
Speaker 1: that you would have the mesic violence issues be screened
Speaker 1: on that. And that's a tricky one because you don't
Speaker 1: want toyone to be in a nun stage situation. So
Speaker 1: I believe that's what would be need to be excluded
Speaker 1: from that.
Speaker 3: Domestic violence called absolutely.
Speaker 2: Boon County Commissioner Jessee Brewer on the Scotsland Show seven
Speaker 2: hundred w old but his hospital three thirty seventies helping craft.
Speaker 2: That would create a three strikes and out rule for
Speaker 2: chronic nuisance tenants. So if you get three service calls
Speaker 2: within a six month per and the granted, those have
Speaker 2: to be verified and this person has to you know,
Speaker 2: you get eighteen noise complaints, as you said, you should
Speaker 2: get run off and it gives three days notice for
Speaker 2: a landlord to evict you if you are one of
Speaker 2: those people who are using a lot of the resources.
Speaker 2: You mentioned this about saving money and allocate proper allocation resources.
Speaker 2: There's overtime costs, there's equipment where how how big a
Speaker 2: problem is this really? How many nuisance tenants are there?
Speaker 2: It is it a huge problem or the Kentucky.
Speaker 1: It's enough where we're talking about it, right, it's one
Speaker 1: of it's one of those issues. Is it Is it
Speaker 1: detrimental to the business. No? Uh, but this would just
Speaker 1: prevent a problem. Yes, it's the problem. It's not that
Speaker 1: we have a lot of these problems, but when you
Speaker 1: have one, it's a big problem or could be a
Speaker 1: big problem and very falsely problem for the cities to
Speaker 1: dispatch of services for the property or and everything else.
Speaker 1: So you know, if I have one hundred tenants, you know,
Speaker 1: this might be one or two of them.
Speaker 3: But when you start multiplying.
Speaker 1: Now you know, across all the rental proper and everything
Speaker 1: else and compounding it, and you know you you know,
Speaker 1: you have ten thousand pieces of rental property nation of city.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of services on a police department, fire
Speaker 1: department to be wasted.
Speaker 2: Not much of a deal at the Northern Kentucky University
Speaker 2: or Mount Saint Joe. But what about UK Louisville, big
Speaker 2: universities where you have a large number of young people
Speaker 2: like to have fun and be allowed at all ours
Speaker 2: a night. What about UK Louisville and schools like that
Speaker 2: relative to off campus housing, well.
Speaker 1: Campus, it could be a little different. So I get
Speaker 1: it's gonna have to be the triggering of the calls
Speaker 1: from the police to the landlord. But a lot of
Speaker 1: those cities already have ordinances in place, and what they're
Speaker 1: going to do is they still if you have a problem,
Speaker 1: they still are going to make you get rid of them.
Speaker 3: This isn't like there's so many If I.
Speaker 1: Have a nuisancee problem today right now on the current law,
Speaker 1: I'm still getting the love brands from the city with
Speaker 1: a citation, threats or citations than deal with this.
Speaker 3: So I have it just takes me.
Speaker 1: Thirty days to get them out and then I know
Speaker 1: thirty days. Interesting in theory, if I can get them
Speaker 1: out faster, this could be an enticement for people to behave.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, could very well be. Again, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of there's some perils in here that have to
Speaker 2: be addressed, so I'd imagine it could take a bit
Speaker 2: of time to get through the legislature, and.
Speaker 3: It may not get through this year.
Speaker 1: A lot of times in legislation like this comes up
Speaker 1: and gets introduced for a year. They talked about it
Speaker 1: and tweak it among all the other legislations that they do.
Speaker 1: It might come back next year looking a little different.
Speaker 1: But the conversation starts the committee meeting here you can
Speaker 1: start on any legislation that you've got to get it introduced.
Speaker 1: You've got to get it going, and then you've got
Speaker 1: to get input from the other stakeholders and groups and
Speaker 1: address it. It might take two or three sessions to
Speaker 1: get something push No. Entucky is the Kentucky is the
Speaker 1: budget year. It's our bi annual Kentucky. We do the
Speaker 1: budget every other year for two years, so it's our
Speaker 1: bi annual budget year. So there's a lot of high
Speaker 1: priorities in Kentucky right now, you know, I know there's
Speaker 1: they got a lot.
Speaker 3: Of like the grooming bill that Marian she's.
Speaker 1: Got filed, right so there's a lot of other joh,
Speaker 1: stay higher priorities for legislators rightfully, so they know we
Speaker 1: got so much time, so this one might make it
Speaker 1: heard and talked about isn't really brought and center. It's
Speaker 1: a niche it's a niche issue. It's a niche industry
Speaker 1: problem for you know, police, fire and cities. So but
Speaker 1: it could get talked about, expand upon and move along
Speaker 1: the typeline.
Speaker 3: Sure, but there's certain priorities. There's only so.
Speaker 1: Much time to day for these legislators. That's issues, and
Speaker 1: we'll get to get to it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Jesse Brewer Boone County Commission. Always a pleasure
Speaker 2: having you on and something to think about, for sure.
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting. I want to follow this one
Speaker 2: and see if we can do this in Ohio because
Speaker 2: it makes sense. I think you can't force someone to
Speaker 2: be a good neighbor, but the law should be able
Speaker 2: to help you this one. It's good for the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: It's good you think anyway, Jesse, all the best, Thanks
Speaker 2: for jumping in.
Speaker 3: Thanks appreciate you have a good one.
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