1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:01,000 Speaker 1: To night. 2 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 2: Michael Brown joins me here, the former FEMA director of 3 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 2: talk show host Michael Brown. 4 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 3: Brownie, Now, Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job. 5 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: The Weekend with Michael Brown broadcasting life from Denver, Colorado. 6 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: You've tuned into the Weekend with Michael Brown, and I'm 7 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: really glad that you've done that. You may regret it, 8 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: but I don't. In fact, mat Me, I can adventure 9 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: you that you did the right thing. We have rules 10 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: of engagement on this program. 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So I'd appreciate you streaming and 30 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: listening to the program during the week. Two, let's go 31 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: to Minnesota. Minnesota, where we've had this wave of revelations 32 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: about all this massive fraud within the state's social services 33 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: and welfare programs that all erupted this past week, and 34 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: it exposed a system which I think we could probably 35 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: extrapolate out to lots of states other than just Minnesota. 36 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: I don't care whether you're a red state or a 37 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: blue state. Fraud is inherent in government programs. But Minnesota, 38 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: to say, you really take the cake on this one, 39 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: because the fraud here is absolutely astonishing. The news reports 40 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: expose a system that is riddled with abuse, and there 41 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: are astonishing I think almost truthfully, I believe criminal lapses 42 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: in oversight everything from housing assistance to nutritional Aid Aid, 43 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: just program after programs after program appears to have been exploited, 44 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: siphoning off millions, if not billions, of dollars from taxpayers. 45 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: And if you think this is just about Minnesota, you're wrong. 46 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is because we forget 47 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: that a lot of these programs that are administered by 48 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: the state are actually funded by taxpayers across the country. 49 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: So in Colorado, for example, or Minnesota doesn't make Itever 50 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: you pick your own state, you have a snap program, 51 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, supplemental nutritional assistance program, the food stamp program, 52 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: or you have you know, Medicaid, whatever it is that 53 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: is funded. Yes, part of it, some of it may 54 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: be funded by some state dollars, but the majority of 55 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: the money comes from the federal government. And so you 56 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: can ignore a state like Minnesota at your own peril. Instead, 57 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: you ought to pay attention to what goes on in 58 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: a state like Minnesota. And I really don't give a 59 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: rat to ask whether you're a red state or a 60 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: blue state. You ought to be asking questions of your 61 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: political leadership in your state. Hey, what's going on here? 62 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: What's happening here? What's most alarming about Minnesota is the 63 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: growing evidence that this was not just a negligence, you know, 64 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: just people just not doing their jobs, but a breakdown 65 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: in accountability that was so bad that it was allowed 66 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: to flourish under the watch of the actual state leadership, 67 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: who including the government South Tim Walls, and I think 68 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: they actually knew what was going on. Can't prove that, 69 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: but I think as we continue the investigation, we may not. 70 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: We should not be surprised to find out later that, 71 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: you know, they kind of knew about it. In fact, 72 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to bury the lead too much here, 73 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: but we have whistleblowers in Minnesota who have been trying 74 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: to sound the alarm, saying that the governor knew about this, 75 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: that the director of their social services system, their human 76 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: health and human services system, and that the bureaucrats that 77 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: administer the program they all knew about it. Wow. So 78 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: this scandal now sits I think at a broader national 79 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: debate that has questions that have to be answered, how 80 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: did this happen, What does it mean for our immigration 81 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: policies as we move forward, and is it possible to 82 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: re establish a firm expectation from taxpayers for those coming 83 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: into the country that you need to be able to 84 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: take care of yourself. You need to be able to 85 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: sustain your own life, and if you cannot do that, 86 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: then you can't come to the country. Oh Michael, you 87 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: can't do that. Wait a minute, what do you mean, 88 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: I can't do that. That's what the existing laws require. 89 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: So just like we just needed a new president in 90 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: order to shut the flow of illegal immigration coming into 91 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 1: the country, we now need that same president to step 92 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: up and say, you know what, we're going to enforce this. 93 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: And I'll get to this later in the program, but 94 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: we're going to force and just stop this immigration. And 95 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: if you want to come here, then you need to 96 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: be able to speak English. You need to, you know, 97 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: show that you have you don't have any communical communicable diseases, 98 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: and that you have the ability to sustain yourself. Either 99 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: you have someone you're going to live with it's going 100 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,239 Speaker 1: to take care of you, or you have a job, 101 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: or you're enabled bobby bodied person that can find a job. 102 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: And these cases out of Minnesota have rightfully sparked outrage 103 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: and people are asking how could this abuse have gone 104 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: on for so long? But I think there's another question, 105 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: not only you know, how can it have continued for 106 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: so long, but who's responsible for allowing it? And how 107 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: did we stop it from And I'll never say this 108 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: never happening again, because there will always be fraud. But 109 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: this is this is all this scale. If we're looking 110 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: at a scale of fraud of one to ten, this 111 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: is a ten I'm willing to accept. I told her, 112 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: you know, I was tatisfying before Congress one time and 113 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: we were testifying about fraud in some of the programs 114 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: coming out of FEMA DHS, and I said, we do 115 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,679 Speaker 1: everything we can to prevent fraud, but there will always 116 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: be frauds of the cost of doing business. We have 117 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: to minimize it, we have to mitigate against it, we 118 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: have to work and investigate. That's what the Inspector General's for. 119 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: We try to do everything we can to put accountability 120 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: measures in place, but there are people who will always 121 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: try to cheat and find a way to get, you know, 122 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: to do this. And so if I want to go 123 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: find fraud in a program, I can. I hope it's 124 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: only a thousand dollars, but if I find one thousand 125 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: dollars in fraud, I'm not going to be surprised. You 126 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: would have thought I had committed some sort of blasphemy 127 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: by saying that there will always be fraud. Well, I'm 128 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: telling you in any you know, if you work for 129 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: any size organization, there's fraud in it. It may be deminimous, 130 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: but there is fraud. You know why, because human beings 131 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: are involved. Now, colding the White House, the scandal involving 132 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: the fraudulent diversion of taxpayer funds cost the taxpayers about 133 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: a billion dollars. Now, that alone ought to shake everybody's 134 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: confidence in oversight, not only at the state level, but 135 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: at the federal level. There have been eighty six individuals 136 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: charged so far, seventy eight are of Somali ancestry, and 137 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: that's prompted high level federal intervention. The US Immigrations and 138 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: Customs Enforcement ICE is reportedly planning what's being described as 139 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: a surge of enforcement in the Twin Cities Minneapolis, Saint Paul. 140 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: That's a crackdown that officials say is necessary that I 141 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: would agree is necessary too in light of the immigrant 142 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: communities tied to the fraud investigation. If it were any 143 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: other organization, any other group of people, we'll be screaming, yes, 144 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 1: we want investigations, we want to find out whether this 145 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: is systemic to this particular community. Pick an Indian tribe, 146 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: if it's a particular Indian tribe, investigate them, by the way. 147 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: That's not racist, that's just being good fiduciaries of the 148 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: money that you and I work hard every single week 149 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: that gets confiscated by the federal government, that then gets 150 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: wasted in fraudulent cases like this. But how was this 151 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: allowed to fester so long in the first place. I'll 152 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: answer that next. I'll be right back. Hey, So we 153 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: begin with Michael Brown. Thanks for tuning in. I appreciate 154 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: you listening. Tell your friends and enemies about the program. 155 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: So thinking, you know, if you've got somebody that I 156 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: might you know, piss off, be sure and tell them too. 157 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: How did this fraud occur in the first place? Now, 158 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: A lot of sources that I read and study suggest 159 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: that there's there's been a combination of systemic negligence. There's 160 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: obviously inadequate oversight, duh. But there's also a political hesitancy 161 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: that created this fertile ground for abuse. One overriding fact, 162 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: it's just a fact. You don't have to get emotional, 163 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: you don't have to get all twisted in a pretzel 164 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: about it. It's just a fact. There is a dominant 165 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: Somali segment of the population where the majority of this 166 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: fraud is occurring. When you have seventy eight out of 167 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: the eighty six individuals being Somali, by my calculation, that's 168 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: more than half. That's approaching seventy five percent. I haven't 169 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: done the math, but it's way over half. That's just 170 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: a fact. And you can draw whatever conclusions you want 171 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: to from that. But maybe I'll help you along a 172 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: little bit. 173 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 3: Now. 174 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: There's a White House memorandum ount that argues that state 175 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: and Democrat officials were quote reluctant tolerating, if not tacitly 176 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: allowing the fraud because because your honor, the Minnesota political 177 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: community was worried about the quote political backlash among the 178 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: Somali community. 179 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 3: Hmm. 180 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: And there were consistent warnings from both whistleblowers and actual 181 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: audits that were at least by my reckoning, were ignored 182 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: by those in charge, likely including Democrat Governor Tim Walls 183 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: himself and the Attorney General Keith Ellison. Keith Ellison, what 184 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: have you believe the Attorney General that well, no, and 185 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: to you know, and to suggest otherwise was just trying 186 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: to play politics. 187 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 4: And Attorney General, I want to get back to this 188 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 4: playbook that you outlined from the president of what he 189 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 4: does when he's backed into a corner and wants to 190 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 4: detract attention. He also, in the past has historically used 191 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 4: isolated instances to justify this language of bigotry and paint. 192 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: Wow, you talk about setting up a question such that 193 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: you you everybody rule abet never accept the premise of 194 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: a question. This reporter comes from a local station in Minnesota, 195 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: is actually setting him up with all of the premise 196 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: he needs to claim that this is all nothing but 197 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: racist and political. Listen closely to how she sets the 198 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: question up. 199 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 4: Ell, I want to get back to this playbook that 200 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 4: you outlined from the president of what he does when 201 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 4: he's backed into a corner and wants to detract attention. 202 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 4: He also in the past has historically used isolated instances 203 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 4: to justify this language of bigotry and paint with extremely 204 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 4: broad brushstrokes and make these generalizations. He has owned in 205 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 4: on this investigation into feed feeding our Future, which your 206 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 4: office actually prosecuted. I'm wondering if you can set the 207 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 4: record straight here and talk a little bit about this 208 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 4: investigation and what it entailed and how isolated it actually was. 209 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 3: Well, it was the US Attorney's Office that actually brought 210 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: the prosecutions. 211 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: Wow, oh, so go ahead and correct her. It wasn't 212 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: my office. It was actually the US Attorney's office. Yeah, 213 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: so what did you do, mister Attorney General? See, I 214 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: would interrupt you if I were the reporter. I'd interrupting 215 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: at that point and say, oh, so the US Attorney's 216 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: office did this? How come you weren't involved because there 217 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: are obvious I mean, clearly there's federal charges because federal 218 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars are involved, but it's also being administered by 219 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: the state. Mister Attorney General, don't you have any concern 220 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: or interest in the legal and the proper administration of 221 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: these dollars by state officials? 222 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 3: To office contributed and gave evidence of information to advance 223 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 3: the prosecution. 224 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: But I want to say thank you, and in other words, 225 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: we send them some memos. 226 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 3: That's off at congratulations to our colleagues of the US 227 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 3: Attorney's Office for a job done. They prosecuted over seventy 228 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 3: eight of these people. But let me just say this, 229 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 3: we all want to protect the public dollar. We want 230 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 3: to prosecute people who engage in fraud. We are up 231 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 3: for that. 232 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: But Wayment, he's right, seventy eighty been prosecuted, knows he 233 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: doesn't tell you what air quote here community was prosecuted. 234 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 3: We can't do it on a partisan basis. 235 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: We got to do it together. 236 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 3: We can't use incidents like this to score a political point. 237 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: We got to come in as a state and say 238 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 3: you will not steal money intended for poor people and 239 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 3: prosecute them. That's what That's how we protect the resources 240 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 3: of the state of Minnesota. But I would say, you know, 241 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 3: the President just let this guy, mister Gentilly walk from 242 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 3: a pardon, who I think stole about a billion dollars 243 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 3: from people. He just the crypto fraud served. Mister Jao, 244 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 3: he just got a pardon. We're watching all kinds. I mean, 245 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 3: the President is so inconsistent. How can he say we're 246 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 3: worried about fraud and then turn around and say, oh, yeah, 247 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: we're gonna let my friend change in Azou walk after 248 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 3: he's done all these billions of dollars worth of fraud. 249 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 3: It's like the drug war issue. You're letting people who 250 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 3: move tons of cocaine into Minnesota, and on the same time, 251 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 3: you're killing people in the name of drug fighting drugs. 252 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: This one about it is on his part. This simply 253 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: does not work because every example that he gave was 254 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: of someone who had been charged, tried, and convicted. The 255 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: pardon is irrelevant to the initial investigation, the trial, and 256 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: the conviction. And then I wonder what Keith Ellison would 257 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: have to say about trying to interdict the drug boats 258 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: out of Venezuela, because my guess is he's opposed to that. 259 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: Even though he claims, well, he's just letting drugs flow 260 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: into Minnesota, he is, how's that happening. 261 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: It's completely inconsistent, and therefore we doubt the sincerity of 262 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 3: the plan. 263 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: So we just doubt him. We just don't believe anything 264 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: the president has to say. That's pretty much what he 265 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: has to say that I'm telling you, you guys in Minnesota, 266 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: you got one hell of a political team there between 267 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: Tim Walls and Keith Allison. I'd put a hoodie on, Yeah, 268 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: I'd walk around with a hoodie on, just out of him, 269 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: but don't let him see your face. Because the massive 270 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: level of neglect along with I han't mentioned this, but 271 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: along with The expansion of the of those welfare programs, 272 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: particularly during the COVID era, seems to have enabled the 273 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: deception because the non government organizations and the nonprofits allegedly 274 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: build for services to non existent children, therapy for non 275 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: existent autistic patients, and housing and food services to people 276 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: who never received those services. The fraud network is reportedly massy, 277 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: It spans multiple NGOs and in some cases allegedly channeling 278 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: money even out of state and abroad. I mean thinking 279 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: about going to you know, al Shabab and the terrorist 280 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: organizations in Somali. Yeah, there's that too. In short, weak safeguards, 281 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: poor enforcement, political overcaution, and then the rapid growth of 282 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: all these social welfare programs and then government officials just 283 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: turning their back. That's the perfect storm that allowed the 284 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: fraud to go on for years under the radar. So 285 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: what was the president's response? Have you heard of temporary 286 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: protective status? Let's talk about that. Next. It's the Weekend 287 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: with Michael Brown. Text lines always opened three three one 288 00:17:52,440 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: zero three keyword Micha ro Michael. I'll be right back tonight. 289 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: Michael Brown joins me here. 290 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: The former FEMA director of talk show host Michael Brown. 291 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 4: Brownie, No, Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job. 292 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: The Weekend with Michael Brown. Welcome back to the Weekend 293 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: with Michael Brown. Glad to have you with me. Appreciate 294 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 1: you tuning in. So in light of all these revelations 295 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: that I've just got of thrown out there for you, 296 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: Trump made a decision to end temporary protect the status 297 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: for Somali immigrants of Minnesota, and then he authorized a 298 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: major enforcement operation. Of course, I think it's justified in 299 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: long overdue. Back on November twenty first, he announced on 300 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: social media he loves to do it on social media 301 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: that he would immediately terminate Smali temporary protected status nationwide, 302 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: and in doing so, he cited what his administration described 303 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: as a state Minnesota had been turned into a hub 304 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: of fraudulent money laundering activity. And so then just within 305 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: days of that announcement, they can the federal authorities, ICE 306 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: and others confirm their plans for a sweeping operation in 307 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: Minneapolis Saint Paul that was gonna target primarily Samali immigrants 308 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: who had final deportation orders. Now, let me repeat what 309 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: I just said. They're going to target primarily Somali immigrants 310 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: with final deportation orders. These are Somalis who have already 311 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: received their due process, who have already been issued a 312 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: deportation ordered by an immigration judge or a federal judge 313 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: for that matter, if that happened to go that far, 314 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: and so now they're subject to deportation. And Keith Ellison 315 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: is just distraught over that. Why he cannot believe that 316 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: it's happening because they contribute a lot to Minnesota. Okay, 317 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: well we can argue. I'm sure they do contribute something. 318 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: But whether it's a lot or it's x, no matter 319 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: how many, you know, what percentage of the Minnesota GDP is, 320 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: I don't care. And I don't care because I'm more 321 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: concerned about the fraud going on. Is this guilt by association? Yes, 322 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. That's just it's justified for 323 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: me to claim that it's guilt by association because this 324 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: is a closed community. This is not a place where, 325 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: oh I might be able if I wanted to. I 326 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: pay a heavy price for it isolation and harassment and 327 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: everything else. But it's kind of like a Chaz zone. 328 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: It's kind of like you know in Seattle, So it's 329 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: kind of like a no go zone and they want 330 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: to operate independently, Well, they won our tax dollars, but 331 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,959 Speaker 1: otherwise they want to operate independently, Well, it's not going 332 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: to cut it, bucko, it's not going to cut it 333 00:20:53,359 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 1: at all. Now, proponents argue that, and I think rightfully so, 334 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: that ending temporary protective status and curbing immigration from regions 335 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: such as Somali is not only defensible, but it's actually 336 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: necessary to preserve the integrity of the welfare and social 337 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: services that are being provided to everyone, illegal, alien or not. 338 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: I view such steps as preventative measures that will enforce 339 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: ensure that public assistance serves those who generally meet the 340 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: requirements for it. Now, that doesn't mean that I don't 341 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: think the requirements ought to be tightened up. I believe 342 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: they ought to be tightened up, but as they currently exist, 343 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: it simply means that if you're going to preserve the 344 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: integrity of the system as it currently is structured, then yes, 345 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: it's justified. They would prevent those who want to exploit 346 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: it from exploiting it. Those who demand strong enforcement claim 347 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: and I agree that this is not animous toward immigrants, 348 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: but it's about upholding accountability. It's about protecting Minnesota taxpayers. 349 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: It's about protecting all us taxpayers and something that I 350 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: think is a broader concern, but it is a concern 351 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: of mine, and that is restoring trust in public institutions, 352 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: because the longer we allow this kind of fraud to 353 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: occur unabated and there's no reaction or response to it, 354 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: that is you know that that's like the old experiment done. 355 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: I forget the Stanford professor that did the experiment where 356 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: he took the car and put it out, you know, 357 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: put it in outside in I forget Temecula or maybe 358 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: the Stanford somewhere, and he put an abandoned car in 359 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: a typical neighborhood. Nothing happened. It's all about the broken 360 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: windows theory. And but then the hood was slightly up. 361 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: But then he came back two weeks later, nothing had happened. 362 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: And this time he took a sledgehammer and he bashed in, 363 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: you know, the windshield and a couple of windows and 364 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: dined it here and there and just like ants to 365 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: a dead animal out in the what in the wilderness. 366 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: He came back just a day later or whatever it was, 367 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: in the plate in the carbin completely stripped down, that 368 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: is what is happening to our public institutions. And until 369 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: we stand up to this fraud, waste, and abuse and 370 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: really actually start doing something about it instead of politicians 371 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: just campaigning on it, where the trust and the legitimacy 372 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: in our public institutions will continue to erode, and you 373 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: know what, that eventually leads to the demise of the 374 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: republic or Michael, you're being hyperbolic. No, not, History proves 375 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: that's the case, and then you end up with you 376 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: want a little teas here. I'm working on story about 377 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: humans hunting humans, truly hunting humans, because there's an there's 378 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: a current investigation occurring in a foreign country right now 379 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: where they believe that is occurring. And one of the 380 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: aspects of the story that I'm working on has to 381 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: do with that's because when and you've seen it, it's 382 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: human nature. Unfortunately, but as things deteriorate, the rule of 383 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: law disappears, trust in public institutions deteriorates. You've seen it 384 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: where you know, for example, you've seen it in a 385 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: traffic jam where everybody's just you know, stuck, and one 386 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: car decides to maybe pull off and drive across the 387 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, the right hand, meet in and get onto 388 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: a frontage rote or something that one car does what 389 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: it starts everybody else doing it. Well. When our public 390 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: institutions begin to deteriorate, and when the rule of law 391 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: begins to deteriorate, that's when you start seeing increases in crime. 392 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: And then with the increase in crime, you start to 393 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: see some of these soft and crime prosecutors, and that 394 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: just further enables and further encourages even more criminal activity. 395 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: And the same is true with trust and public institutions, 396 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: is that deteriorates, you get more and more fraud, more waste, 397 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: fraud and abuse, and pretty soon you've just destroyed the 398 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: entire country. Maybe not pretty soon, but over time you will. 399 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: But what amazes me are the critics, including all the 400 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: local leaders and all the immigration in goos all they're 401 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: out there screaming that this decision unfairly punishes entire communities 402 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: for the crimes of a few. Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fright 403 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: pushed back. He says that targeting Somali people means that 404 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: due process will be violated, mistakes will be made, American 405 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: citizens will detained for no other reason that they than 406 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: the fact that they look like they're Somali. Did you 407 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: hear what I said earlier? We're targeting Somali immigrants that 408 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: have final deportation orders. Now do mistakes get made? Yes, 409 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: law enforcement always makes mistakes. Once again, they're not perfect, 410 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: they're human and they're going to make mistakes. And we 411 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: shouldn't just say, okay, well, then let's not do anything, 412 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: because that's what the Minneapolis mayor is implying. Now, if 413 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: you talk to any immigration experts, they will say that, oh, 414 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,719 Speaker 1: you know, this abrupt termination of temporary protected status without 415 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: standard procedural safeguards, guess what, it's lawful. The National Immigration 416 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: Law Center complains that there's no legal mechanism that allows 417 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 1: the president to terminate protecting status for a particular community 418 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: or state. He is a beef with Oh, but it 419 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: does because enforcement of immigration law is squarely within the 420 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: purview the portfolio of Article two, which is the presidency. 421 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: In fact, the Immigration and Naturalization Act gives the president 422 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: the authority to do pretty much anything he wants to do. Now, 423 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: he is limited by the Constitution. He does have to 424 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: protect due process rights. But if he wants to go 425 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: after a particular community because seventy five or whatever the 426 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: number was, seventy eight out of eighty six are from 427 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: that community, then that's the community you want to focus on. 428 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: By the way, if you go look at the National 429 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: Immigration Law Center, you'll understand that, Oh, we see which 430 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: side of this issue you're on. I think they're crackdown 431 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: for some Americans. Feels like a step backward, but backward 432 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: towards something that I think we've all been clamoring for, 433 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: enforcing what Democrats like to refer to as our shared values. 434 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: So let's steal that phrase. Yes, we have shared values 435 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: of accountability, of discipline, of making certain that our tax 436 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: dollars are treated with fiduciary care that they should be 437 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: treated with. I don't know about you, but I work 438 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: hard for my money. And if you work hard for 439 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: your money and it gets confiscated from you, oh, I 440 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: know it's a voluntary system, but try not to pay 441 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: your taxes and see how that works out. So it 442 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: gets confiscated from you and then it gets wasted like this, 443 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: I'd rather just have that money back. Okay, just give 444 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: me that money back instead, because I don't think that 445 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: you're entitled to it. And quite frankly, I'm tired of 446 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: people that everybody wasting it. So the Weekend with Michael Brown. 447 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: Text law always open three three one zero three keyword 448 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: Micha or Michael. Go follow me on X at Michael 449 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: Brown USA. I'll be right back. Hey, So Weekend with 450 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: Michael Brown. Thanks for tuning in. Appreciate you listening. Go 451 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: follow me on X at Michael Brown USA and do 452 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: me a favor and subscribe to the podcast on your 453 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: podcast app. Search for the Situation with Michael Brown, The 454 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: Situation with Michael Brown. Once you find that, hit the 455 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: subscribe button, leave a five star review that helps us 456 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: with the algorithm, and then that will download all five 457 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: days of the weekday program and the weekend program, so 458 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: you get six days of me. Imagine that even my 459 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: family can't take six days of meat. But you can 460 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: do it. Come on, I know you can do it. 461 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: So we're talking about these shared values. From the perspective 462 00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: of shared values, welcoming immigrants who willingly abide by the 463 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: law are able to support themselves and contribute to our 464 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: society that they assimilate. I actually think that strengthens the country, 465 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: and considering the low birth rate and that we depend 466 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: on an economy that grows we need immigration, legal immigration, 467 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: and legal immigration that does those things I just said. 468 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: People who assimilate are willing to abide by our laws, 469 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: support themselves, and contribute to our society. That makes the 470 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: nation stronger. But when you have this kind of large 471 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: scale fraud, all the welfare abuse and even the criminal 472 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: activity that in and of itself is what's going on, 473 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: Plus the criminal activity that comes along with people who 474 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: are engaging in fraud because there's other fraud or there's 475 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: other criminal activity besides the fraud itself, then it becomes 476 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: I think an indisputable that continuing with Biden's administration's open border, 477 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: low vetting policy is not compassionate. It's not an attempt 478 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: to strengthen the nation. It is reckless, It is destructive, 479 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: and it is based on pure partisan politics because they 480 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: know that those people will vote Democrat. And I find 481 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: that disgusting. If I said, hey, why don't we just 482 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: import you know, white Anglo Saxon Protestants from pick your 483 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: country because their white, they're Anglo Saxon and their Protestant 484 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: and we think they'll vote Republican, you'd say that's pretty racist. 485 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: Michael Well, I think what Biden is doing is pretty 486 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: darn racist. But nobody wants to admit that. Nobody wants 487 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: to say that, but it is. And in that vein, 488 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: our patriotism is not unbounded generosity. Patriotism is about preserving 489 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: a system where laws apply to every single one of us, 490 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: regardless of where we originated from, how we got here, 491 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: as long as we got here legally, are supporting ourselves, 492 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: have assimilated, had become a part of the fabric of 493 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: this nation. And I think regardless, of course, many people 494 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: like to say, irregardless drives me nuts, regardless of the 495 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: hardships that they're escaping from whatever country they came from. Truthfully, 496 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: while it would be callous of me to say that 497 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: I don't care about the hardships that they suffer in 498 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: those countries, I don't to this extent. If you're escaping 499 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: those hardships, then recognize that you're coming to a country 500 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: where we have hardships of our own, but we don't 501 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: have cannibalism, and we don't have human hunting, and we 502 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: don't have you know, you know, a communist country that 503 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: disappears people. So if you're coming here to escape that, 504 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: then recognize the country that you're coming to and be appreciative, 505 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: and you're appreciative by assimilating, supporting yourselves and not depending 506 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: upon me and you to take care of you over here. 507 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: Take care of yourself. So we need strong policies that 508 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: will protect public resources from being hijacked by fraud and 509 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: allowing the importation of people or groups of people whose 510 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: behavior and who's morais, who's simple thinking way of living 511 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: undermined social trust and our values, who steal from those 512 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: who work hard to contribute. They're not welcoming, and we're 513 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: not being welcoming by allowing them. What are we doing? 514 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: We become enablers, true enablers, safeguarding our institutions, ensuring physcal responsibility, 515 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: demanding lawful behavior. And then if you do all of that, 516 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: if you're entitled to under our laws to a permanent 517 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: residence status or a temporary protected status, then that's fine. 518 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: But without it, no, I think that our current system, 519 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 1: if we enforce the law, is a system that would 520 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,720 Speaker 1: honor both citizens who pay taxes and those who genuinely 521 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: seek the opportunity that this nation provides to people. And 522 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: if we're ever going to restore faith in government or 523 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: in our immigration system or in the idea of a 524 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: shared American identity, then enforcing the law and revoking protections 525 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: for those who abuse it. That's not cruelty. I think 526 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: it's one of the most patriotic things that this nation 527 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: can and should do. 528 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 2: Do you think the worst of the state government fraud 529 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 2: cases have been uncovered. 530 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 1: Or do you have reason to believe there is more? 531 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 3: Oh? 532 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 2: I think there's more. And look, we've got organized crime 533 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 2: ring in Minnesota. I think it's been going on for 534 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 2: years from feeding our appointment. So you think there's an 535 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 2: organized crime ring going on in Minnesota? What is it 536 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 2: that you've been doing, What have you been trying to protect? 537 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 2: What is it that you are protecting. It's fascinating to 538 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 2: me that no one's holding any of these y'all who's accountable? 539 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 2: And then when you try to hold them accountable, you've 540 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 2: got people like Keith Ellison that says. 541 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 5: And just first and foremost one, your reaction to the 542 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 5: President of the United States branding Somali's in Minnesota and 543 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,439 Speaker 5: in the country as quote unquote garbage. In two, why 544 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 5: do you think we have not heard one Republican elected 545 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 5: official push back on the president's racist. 546 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you why because the president happens to 547 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: be right on this issue, this community. Elon Omar, who 548 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: represents that community, I believe she is garbage. I do 549 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: believe she is garbage. And the people that she represents 550 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: and represents their values, and their values are to steal 551 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 1: a billion dollars from taxpayers all across the country, from 552 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: single mothers working in a couple of jobs trying to 553 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: feed their kids. Yeah, stop it, just stop it. 554 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 3: Well, the first thing, whenever the most powerful man in 555 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 3: the world is referring to a group of Americans as 556 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 3: garbage in sub human terms, demonizing them 557 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: If the moniker fits, the moniker fits, I'll be right 558 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: back