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Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike Sincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: all day. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed it is Hi, Hello and welcome in our

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Speaker 2: number two of Tony Pike Sincy three sixty. No tone today,

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Speaker 2: the big Fella on the Big One later this evening

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Speaker 2: six to nine in for Lance McAllister. So it's just

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Speaker 2: you and me until three. Will turn it over to

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Speaker 2: Mo then. But right now, our typical Tuesday guest, our

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Speaker 2: guy Joe Daniman, joins me to talk a little bit

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Speaker 2: of everything, because there's a lot to talk about. First, Joe,

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Speaker 2: how was your Thanksgiving? Did you go on the run

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Speaker 2: in the morning? Did you get all the you know,

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Speaker 2: the calories burnt? How'd it go?

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Speaker 3: It went great, Austin, and I have to thank you

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Speaker 3: for the inspiration to go through with it, because I

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Speaker 3: trained for several months for the ten A Thanksgiving Day

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Speaker 3: ten k right there at TQL Skadium, running through downtown.

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Speaker 3: And then I saw the forecasts a week of and

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Speaker 3: I saw temperatures in the twenty gusty winds, and I said,

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Speaker 3: is it worth it? Is it really worth it? I

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Speaker 3: can run a ten day by myself and do my

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Speaker 3: own time trot. But I said, you know what, Austin

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Speaker 3: challenged me. He said, you can't go through life scared. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's like Joe Burrow said. And I went out there

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Speaker 3: and quite honestly, the weather was fine. It was cold,

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Speaker 3: but you know, when you run, you wore them up

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Speaker 3: pretty quickly. The win wasn't a problem and I met

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Speaker 3: my goal, so I was really excited. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 3: a great thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: Well, congratulations to you for that. Most Bengals fans would

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Speaker 2: say it was a great thanksgiving for the way that

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow performed and getting a win in Baltimore. When

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Speaker 2: you think of that game, what stood out to you

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Speaker 2: the most? Because I know you weren't obviously in Baltimore,

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a different view for you. What

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Speaker 3: What stood out to me is twofold. First being that

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Speaker 3: Zach Taylor had no problem letting Joe Burrow be himself.

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Speaker 3: And that's throwing thirty two passes in the first half.

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Speaker 3: That's letting him quarterback sneak. And I talked to Zach

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Speaker 3: at all of Joe doing something like that of pushing

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Speaker 3: he shook his head and said, no. We knew he

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Speaker 3: was ready and Joe was his normal self, So there

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Speaker 3: were no training wheels right at the start. In fact,

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Speaker 3: Zach said, they wanted to get him on the move early,

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Speaker 3: throwing on the move. So that was one. The second

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Speaker 3: was it felt like it elevated the entire team. And

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Speaker 3: I think if you look back at the end of

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Speaker 3: the season of what's going to be one of the

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Speaker 3: great moments of the Bengals season and if this team

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Speaker 3: in the month of December, what you saw around NBC

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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving table after the game was really cool. You don't

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Speaker 3: Oklahoma City made it really popular when they went on

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Speaker 3: the run to win the NBA championship last year. But

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Speaker 3: to see what felt like twenty or thirty different players

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Speaker 3: around that table enjoying themselves, having fun, feeling empowered and

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Speaker 3: elevated by their quarterback, that to me was the image

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Speaker 3: we all had this debate should Joe Burrow come back

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Speaker 3: Why come back so quickly? It felt like from the outside, well,

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Speaker 3: like we all saw that. The way it played out

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Speaker 2: And I think too, you saw while he's standing there

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Speaker 2: You saw it in the press conference there was a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I talked to DJ Turner about that yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I said, did you guys realize that Joe was kind

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Speaker 3: we got it. And that was cool for Joe. But

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Speaker 3: of what Joe has, he says, how can you not

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Speaker 3: that goes back to my original point of what Joe

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Speaker 3: Burrough's presence is such a difference maker for this organization

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Speaker 3: what it does for the team. For DJ to say,

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Speaker 3: how could you not give your all for a teammate

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Speaker 3: Joe did. I thought it was cool that Joe was

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Speaker 2: On the opposite end of the spectrum, Trey Hendrickson once

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Speaker 2: again pretty quickly ruled out by Zach Taylor yesterday, Is

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Speaker 3: No, that's that's the problem that that we're all having

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Speaker 3: because we've heard it be multiple things, and we don't

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Speaker 3: and that's not good for the team, that that's not

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Speaker 3: good for Trey, and it just kind of feels right

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Speaker 3: now it's vindictive, and I don't know which side is

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Speaker 3: it ends up being a really bad look for everybody.

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Speaker 3: So where this ends up. I mean, you asked me

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Speaker 3: and there just isn't a lot of information that either

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Speaker 2: But the defensive unit that has been on the field

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Speaker 2: while Trey has been out at least over the three

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Speaker 3: So this was my charge yesterday was to go inside

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Speaker 3: angle show on Wednesday night, which we'll get into later,

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Speaker 3: and then two to ask many different players on the

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Speaker 3: grader on why the defense right now seems to be

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Speaker 3: playing winning football against Lamar Jackson and Derek Henry. Now

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Speaker 3: the caveat is Lamar Jackson looks like the moond Stars

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Speaker 3: like himself. I don't know what that performance was on

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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving night. And yes, the Bengals did get some breaks

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Speaker 3: But the question I took to so many players on defense,

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Speaker 3: on why the defense is playing better. Dach Taylor says,

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Speaker 3: it's twelve weeks of continuity. There's confidence when guys gel together.

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Speaker 3: Barret Carter says, we're working our butts off and being

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Speaker 3: now is a willingness of a defensive coordinator and a

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Speaker 3: if you go back to the play where Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 3: So to me, it's that it's a young group that

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Speaker 3: reach deeper into Al Golden's playbook. You're seeing more willingness

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Speaker 3: willingness to be just a little bit more complicated here

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Speaker 3: and give quarterbacks an offenses a harder look. And it's

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Speaker 3: paying off so far the last couple of weeks. As

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Speaker 2: UC for a moment. Over the weekend, Tony Pike described

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Speaker 2: the loss to Eastern Michigan as the worst Bearcats basketball

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Speaker 2: Not the only thing going on Friday night. We've got

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Speaker 2: What do you got coming up when it comes to

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to test your knowledge here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's not good, but you can test it.

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Speaker 3: We would both agree that we do ice cream great? Right? Yes?

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Speaker 3: As you can imagine, when a team goes on a

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Speaker 3: PFF grades on the Bengals offensive line and what he

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Speaker 2: Ted Carris's performance this year is one of the things

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Speaker 2: but maybe we'll get to that next week. Joe, thanks

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Speaker 3: Anytime, Austin, and keep playing Bone Thugs in Harmony as

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Speaker 3: your bumper music. I listened the first of the month

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Speaker 3: thank you.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. Thank you, You're very welcome, and thank you.

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Speaker 3: And yeat.

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Speaker 2: That's Joe Daniman from Fox nineteen.

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Speaker 3: He's the best.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a break. Your talkbacks are coming

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