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Speaker 1: All right, Welcome in everybody After Show podcast. It is

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Speaker 1: on justin here, Welcome in. Hope you're doing well. Today

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Speaker 1: is Tuesday, March twenty fourth. If you listen to the

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Speaker 1: show today, as always, you can chime in, leave it,

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Speaker 1: talk back any questions or comments about what we talked about.

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Speaker 1: But my guys are back in the building, Maddie and Damon. Listen.

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Speaker 1: You guys are the after Show Army's favorite guests. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not just saying that they love it. They love

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Speaker 1: you guys so much. So welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Power of Recovery. Just that's crazy. That's a big deal.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's that's very humbling.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, the thing is is like when people

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Speaker 1: listen to this after show, was that your headphones or mine?

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Speaker 3: I think it was mine?

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Speaker 1: Are you all right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Are you sure you need to handle it? Wow?

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Speaker 1: I hear it again? Are you sure those are your headphones?

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Speaker 1: You don't need headphones? Take them off.

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Speaker 3: They gave me the shihead But then I don't feel

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Speaker 3: like I'm on the radio.

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Speaker 1: You're not.

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Speaker 5: You're on a podcast. Bro.

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Speaker 1: Let me make sure that they're not. You know, do

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Speaker 1: you think hold them in close? Now? Talk? Are you

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Speaker 1: making fun of me.

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Speaker 5: Hey, bounce your head up and down.

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Speaker 4: I don't now.

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Speaker 1: People love when you guys are on because you know

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Speaker 1: it's you're authentic.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: You come in, we shoot the ship, We talk about

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Speaker 1: real stuff, recovery and our lives and people like that,

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Speaker 1: and they like to listen and you kind of see

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Speaker 1: what's going on, you know. So I do appreciate you

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Speaker 1: coming in every month. You don't have to do it.

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Speaker 1: I know you're a busy guy.

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Speaker 5: You and Damon, well he's busy.

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Speaker 2: I just work for him.

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Speaker 1: Oh this is what people This is what people really

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Speaker 1: love is them too. They're like best friends who just

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Speaker 1: completely bash each other at all the time. Will work acquaintance.

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Speaker 5: Oh listen, he does this all the time.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: But real, Let me just tell you a very quick story.

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Speaker 2: Last night, we were at one of those twelve step

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Speaker 2: meetings and I got a little shaka. I was supposed

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Speaker 2: to be their chair and a celebration for my buddy

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Speaker 2: who's who's got sixteen years separated. And U and I

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Speaker 2: walk in and I like, I said, like, it's packed.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking around. Then I see my brother. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: and I go up to the table.

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Speaker 5: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, you're either going to be really mad.

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Speaker 2: Well this is gonna go great, And I was like

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Speaker 2: what He's like, I kind of hijacked it. You're celebrating too.

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Speaker 1: Ah. Yeah, well, while you guys have been gone the

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Speaker 1: past month, you did have an anniversary. We both had.

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Speaker 1: Damon got sixteen years before I did. All right, I

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Speaker 1: got clean first.

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Speaker 5: And No, I didn't know and he didn't celebrate.

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Speaker 1: You didn't celebrate. No I did? Is wrong with you?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm a busy.

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Speaker 1: You're too good to celebrate.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't go to that found my friend, did you celebrate?

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Speaker 5: That's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Last night I got him to a meeting that he

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Speaker 3: couldn't refuse.

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Speaker 1: I said, will you share my celebration? And then you

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Speaker 1: have to say yes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't say no to that.

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Speaker 1: So then I set him up.

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Speaker 3: I called all his family and I took half the time,

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Speaker 3: gave it a damon.

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Speaker 1: I took half the time. We both celebrated. Oh I see, Yeah, So.

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Speaker 4: I still get shipped off for doing something selfless.

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Speaker 1: You guys really do love each other.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I actually love his family, and I don't want you know,

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Speaker 3: it's so.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Justin there's nothing more uncomfortable for this kid than that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's not a thing more uncomfortable for him than that.

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Speaker 2: So I appreciate what you doing here today. But we

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Speaker 2: I just I don't know if you looked around the

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Speaker 2: studio at all too, But you know, brought.

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Speaker 1: You a present.

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Speaker 5: We brought here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, We're gonna get to that in a moment.

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Speaker 4: The President, where's the bag I got for you?

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Speaker 1: The President came alive?

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Speaker 5: The President alive?

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, pull up to the microphone there, mister

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Speaker 1: mystery guests. I teased this on the podcast yesterday that

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Speaker 1: they would come in and have a special guest, and

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Speaker 1: the special guest is Johnny Bart. Johnny Bart is Now

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell the whole story, because I think

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Speaker 1: I told most of the story in the podcast yesterday

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Speaker 1: to tease it. Johnny is someone who I follow on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: who I kind of meeting for the first time, but

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Speaker 1: I feel like I've known you forever. You have a

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Speaker 1: crazy story, but your your life today is all about

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Speaker 1: like helping other people and about change, and you work

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Speaker 1: for power of recovery. So welcome. Pull up close to

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Speaker 1: the mic nice and close there. They you lift.

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Speaker 5: That thing up.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't like a podcast.

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Speaker 1: Every twenty Instagram every day is a new one.

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Speaker 4: I was just telling these guys that anybody that ever

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Speaker 4: comes to the podcast and says, oh, I'm really good

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Speaker 4: at this stuff, yeah, it's never good really, So I'm

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Speaker 4: not gonna say I am.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'll come on, yeah, definitely is that Johnny's head?

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Speaker 1: Get him out of here to.

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Speaker 5: Take them out?

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Speaker 1: Who's going to take them out? Me? There? You don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if anybody.

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Speaker 2: I think you, I think a lot of the army

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Speaker 2: are going to notice that you might be man crushing

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Speaker 2: a little bit, you know what I mean. I'm just

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Speaker 2: putting it out there, just trying to get the It's

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Speaker 2: not uncomfortable for me. It might be uncomfortable for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm completely like comfortable in my own like you know,

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Speaker 1: HEATERO what sexuality and that's okay, that's okay. You know, listen,

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Speaker 1: you know what's crazy. This is what's crazy. Okay. So

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Speaker 1: you know I've been working in radio a long time, okay,

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Speaker 1: so you know, you meet celebrities, you meet artists, and

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Speaker 1: like from the nineties, so like a Jay Cutler was

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Speaker 1: a bodybuilder, Like when he came in it was fucking amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I meet Justin Bieber. I'm like, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's the same with this, you know, because I follow Johnny.

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Speaker 1: I follow Johnny's story and so I'm happy he said

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Speaker 1: fuck you Damon mic Off. So Johnny you're here because

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Speaker 1: well I wanted to meet you, but also you do

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Speaker 1: work for Power of Recovery, so I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about that first, how you got involved with Maddie and

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Speaker 1: Damon what you do all that.

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Speaker 4: So first of all, pleasure to meet you today. Obviously

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Speaker 4: great because we've been kind of following each other and

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Speaker 4: I think your story in a recovery sense is second

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Speaker 4: to none. I congratulate you, and you know, this is

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Speaker 4: what I was just talking about about. You know, social media,

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Speaker 4: what you look for is kind of what you'll find.

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Speaker 4: So when you look for success stories, you're going to

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Speaker 4: you know, thank you to Maddie. Thank you to Damon

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Speaker 4: as well, two completely different people, right, Maddie is just

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Speaker 4: I've known Maddie for a little while. We have a

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Speaker 4: great Damon is like me because our philosophy in prison

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Speaker 4: Damon's philosophy, and I love it. So these guys are

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Speaker 4: pull the opposites but work well together. And you know,

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Speaker 4: shout out to Mattie Powers, right, because Mattie Powers gave

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Speaker 4: me an opportunity to go speak at Power Recovery. When

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Speaker 4: I first came out of prison, I shared my story

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Speaker 4: and you know, some people liked it and they were like, hey,

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Speaker 4: who is that guy? You know? And they was asking

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Speaker 4: Maddie about it, and Maddie gifted me with a scholarship

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Speaker 4: to become a recovery coach. And it was difficult for

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Speaker 4: you know, but I did it. I went, you know,

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Speaker 4: people like, you know, how's being a recovery coach. I

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Speaker 4: tell them that it's something that I would do without

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Speaker 4: getting paid for. But I have the use of being Maddie.

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Speaker 1: Can you repeat that?

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Speaker 4: So, and we were just we were just talking about,

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Speaker 4: philosophy in life. But and I told you that my

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Speaker 4: life is second to none. I love my life. It's great.

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Speaker 4: And if you want me to stop from the beginning,

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Speaker 1: Well, if we're going to get to that, we're going

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Speaker 1: to get to that. Because you did mention prison and jail.

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Speaker 4: Right exactly?

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Speaker 4: So Maddy paid my way for all the courses, the schooling,

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Speaker 4: everything was free for me. So I became a recovery coach.

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Speaker 4: Right now, there is a kind of a hiatus on

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Speaker 4: recovery coach being certified in Massachusetts because they're changing the

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Speaker 4: I guess the curriculum and certain things about it. So

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Speaker 4: I'm not certified in Massachusetts, but I have everything that

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Speaker 4: I need to be certified. My application is pending, and

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Speaker 1: So what goes into being a recovery coach? Like, what

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Speaker 4: It's you know, just it's training, right, because we all

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Speaker 4: know it's one thing that you and I are spread's at.

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Speaker 4: Everybody in this room that has experienced recovery is an

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Speaker 4: expert at because basically it's you're just guiding people through

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Speaker 4: the process that you went through. But however, there is

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Speaker 4: certain things that you have to learn, and it's an

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Speaker 4: intensive training program which consists of you know, books, certificates,

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Speaker 4: same thing as any other course as a college course.

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Speaker 4: So basically I had to complete all these courses to

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Speaker 4: be eligible to become a recovery course in Massachusetts. And

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Speaker 4: you know, I'm happy to say that I've completed all

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Speaker 4: those steps and I'm just it's my application is pending.

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Speaker 1: Wow, look at you, Maddie.

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Speaker 3: Well it went further than I imagine. Yeah, myself and

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Speaker 3: Damon been doing this since twenty eleven, and we also

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Speaker 3: have Chelsea's House Soul be Living. We'd walk into a

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Speaker 3: would tell us how hot it is to come back

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Speaker 3: and I'm this. And then I heard Johnny story and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, holy shit, he did it. Why can't he

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Speaker 4: drug program. I don't think the staff members get enough

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00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 4: credit for that. And I had people that were so

439
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,600
Speaker 4: instrumental in my recovery and so great to me. And

440
00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,359
Speaker 4: you know there was people there that, you know, I

441
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:29,000
Speaker 4: had built relationships with staff members and not because I

442
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,960
Speaker 4: gave cooperation. It's the opposite of that. People used to

443
00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,280
Speaker 4: come to me. I remember one officer and Lewisburg come

444
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,080
Speaker 4: out to me and said like, hey, I just got

445
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,880
Speaker 4: this three page memorandum from SIS, which is the investigators

446
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,840
Speaker 4: of the prison, saying you shouldn't even be here. But yeah, yeah,

447
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,760
Speaker 4: so you know so. But that's how we built a relationship.

448
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:50,040
Speaker 4: You know, miss Vagas, who was a case manager, you know,

449
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 4: I built a great relationship with her. The doctor of

450
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,679
Speaker 4: the psychology program, I built a great relationship with her.

451
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,400
Speaker 4: She said, you know this last name Ramerez, and I'm

452
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,200
Speaker 4: like no, She goes, my, ho, there's been is Aw

453
00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,199
Speaker 4: Ramirez at Berlin. You were just at Berlin Nihansha. And

454
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:06,679
Speaker 4: you know what I used to do. I did the

455
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,240
Speaker 4: floors for the warden there. I'd built a relationship with

456
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,399
Speaker 4: them only because hey, look, you get more with honey,

457
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,680
Speaker 4: than you do it vinegar right. And I'm into building

458
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,640
Speaker 4: relationships now because education has taught me that you need

459
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,360
Speaker 4: to build relationships. That is the number one rule of

460
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 4: anything is building relationships doesn't take anything. So when I

461
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 4: did this, I didn't know would pay dividends. Right. I'm

462
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 4: just doing this because it felt like it's the right,

463
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 4: the right thing to do, and I felt good about it.

464
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 4: My mother had passed away, and I had made this

465
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 4: promise to myself that I want to do one thing

466
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 4: a day to make my mother proud in heaven. Right,

467
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 4: So these are the things that I were doing. And

468
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,119
Speaker 4: I would hold the door for somebody, and I go,

469
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 4: I know my mother would love that, and I know

470
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 4: she's looking down and I know she's happy about that,

471
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 4: you know, and say, hey, good day, nice to meet you.

472
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,239
Speaker 4: My pleasure, you know. So I just think it was

473
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 4: just I completely changed the person I was. But it

474
00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 4: was processional. So when I stopped meeting these people like

475
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 4: Woodens now that used to be cops. They would come

476
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 4: in to see an officer doing a tour of another

477
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 4: prison that I was at, and they would see the

478
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 4: officer and they'd walk over to the office and that's Tolomeo. Hey,

479
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 4: what's up?

480
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 2: Like?

481
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 4: You know, because I had built relationships based upon you know,

482
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 4: I wanted to do the right thing, not any other reason,

483
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 4: you know. And I think this was a springboard to

484
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 4: who I have become. And I'm an older fellow too, right.

485
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 4: I think there's a term in prison and corrections where

486
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 4: we say aged out so but some people aren't. Some

487
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 4: people are stuck in these you know, there's I can't

488
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 4: go out of the house. I don't want to be

489
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 4: around people, you know. I remember when I got a

490
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 4: furlough after twenty one and a half years. It was

491
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 4: a transfer of furloughs a few hours. Right, everybody was like, man,

492
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 4: you're gonna be so tripped out. Wait till you see

493
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,199
Speaker 4: how fast things are out there. I remember when they

494
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 4: gave me taxi money and let me go out the door.

495
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 4: I had a couple of years left in prison. Still, No,

496
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 4: it's like very very sporadic and very hot to get.

497
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 4: I just happened to have a warden and a case

498
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 4: manager come to this institution at the same time. Very

499
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 4: long story, but you know the end of it is

500
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 4: that when I walked out the door, six seconds I

501
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 4: forgot I was in prison when I say seamless integration,

502
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 4: like this is where I was meant to be, on

503
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 4: the street in this taxi giving him a twenty dollar

504
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 4: bill shooting the shit? What I'm saying, yo, my man,

505
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 4: what's up going into dunkin Donuts giving a girl thirty

506
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 4: dollars for a black coffee? And she's like, I said, listen, honey,

507
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 4: I'm having the best day of my life.

508
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 1: You are too.

509
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 4: No, And that was that was but that was my

510
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 4: that was the way I did it. But so what

511
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 4: I told that person subsequently was no, you know, it

512
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 4: was gonna be too fast and to everything for me

513
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 4: is when I walked backed into the prison and everything went.

514
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: Stopped. So how long did you go after that furlough?

515
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: How long did you still have to do so after that?

516
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 4: For it was about five years and right around and

517
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 4: right around that time, you know, No, it was tough

518
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 4: because then right around that time, I had won an

519
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 4: issue in court and I actually got permission from the

520
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 4: appeals court to submit another appeal to the district court,

521
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 4: and the judge explicitly told me, you won this issue,

522
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 4: you're no longer a career offender. However, which is the

523
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 4: worst word in the lees is. However, it does not

524
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 4: affect the length of your sentence.

525
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: So you were going for a shorter sentence of course, Yeah,

526
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: I was most.

527
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 4: In the career of friend. There's a big enhancement.

528
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: Okay, so you get a thirty five year sentence in

529
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 1: the FEDS, you have to do eighty five. So what's

530
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 1: that minimum number? Twenty seven twenty it's about thirty years.

531
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: So I got a year off a halfway house, a

532
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: year off of the drug program, and a year off

533
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: for the Second Chance Act, which was past. So I

534
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: just can't imagine, you know, you go in there and

535
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm going to die in prison. You're looking

536
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: down this fucking tunnel.

537
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 4: I'm gonna die in It's never gonna So I always

538
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 4: talk about having one foot night X, which is the

539
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 4: maximum security, because it's like, okay, I just got to

540
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 4: thirty five years ounds, what's up? What do you want

541
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 4: to do? Who?

542
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 3: Like?

543
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 4: You know, but you know, everybody has that misconception I'm

544
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 4: going to go and beat up the toughest guy in jail.

545
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 4: Don't work that way, you know what I mean? So

546
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 4: what your conception of something and the reality of something

547
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 4: is two different things that I lived the reality of it.

548
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 4: But I always had one foot night ex because hey, listen,

549
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 4: I'm doing thirty five years. There's not one person in

550
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 4: jail that's going to disrespect me.

551
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen. Then you were moved around

552
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: across the whole country.

553
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 4: So I was in twelve different federal institutions in the

554
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 4: twenty seven years, but now some are for good reason.

555
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 4: Some of dropped down in security, so you went to

556
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 4: a minimum, you know. I did some time in the penitentiary,

557
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 4: of course, and I did sometimes in mediums, which was

558
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 4: right to step down from a penitentiary then lows and minimums.

559
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: Like when he posts, like you post pictures of you

560
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: when you were in all the years that you were in,

561
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: and you post that with all different guys, like you know,

562
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: mob guys, different things like that, and he'll post it

563
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,239
Speaker 1: and I'll be like help, you know, I'll be like, oh,

564
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: I'll look up the person. I'd be like, oh, who's that,

565
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm like into that stuff, just like

566
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: history and and all that stuff, you know what I mean. Okay,

567
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: so you come to the end of your sentence. Now

568
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna get out right, the anxiety that final year

569
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: two years just must be like just just listen, the

570
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 1: days must have dragged right.

571
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 4: And then here's the thing. The craziest part is when

572
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 4: I talk about case manager of Vargas, what she did

573
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 4: for me. So I'm waiting to get my time. I'm

574
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 4: leaving the drug program. My whole class has their dates.

575
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 4: But because I was in prison for so long, that

576
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 4: first step back was supposed to take the year off

577
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 4: of me didn't. Because I was in jail for so long.

578
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 4: I was in shoe many times early in my prison career,

579
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 4: right for getting in trouble, because I was just a knucklehead, right,

580
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 4: and it interpreted me being in the shoe is disqualifying

581
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 4: me for the time. The year was enacted in twenty

582
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 4: twenty three. I was in the shoe in nineteen ninety nine,

583
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 4: two thousand. It can't eat. The law wasn't even in place.

584
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 4: So there was this big summit on the First Step

585
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 4: Act and the whole issue was about me. So they

586
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 4: finally worked through that glitch. But by that time I

587
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 4: got my date. My halfway house date was seven months

588
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 4: after my class O man and I was graduating, and

589
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 4: she was like, I put you in. She goes, I

590
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 4: don't know what to tell you.

591
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: She goes, I put you in.

592
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 4: I try to put you in early as soon as

593
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 4: I got the time soon as because it was like

594
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 4: a huge thing. We're like, yeah, it happened. They changed

595
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 4: my date. They changed my date. But then when I

596
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 4: put in for the halfway house, she called me in

597
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 4: her office one day. Right, it was a miss Vagus

598
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 4: and I have to mention her by name right at Lewisbourg.

599
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 4: You know, she was the one that pulled me up

600
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 4: the first day and she was like, you bought tallameo. Huh.

601
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 4: She goes, I want you know, you ore the first

602
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 4: person we ever had a meeting about before you got here.

603
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, that's interesting.

604
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: You know.

605
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 4: So when she calls me in her office when we're

606
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 4: there with like three other people in the in the

607
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 4: drug program, because people are going in there for the dates,

608
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 4: they're talking to her. I'm taking care of the cats there,

609
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 4: for the doctor, the psychologist for the drug program. I

610
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 4: have a great rapport with staff. Anything they need, I

611
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 4: got you. You need something today, I got you you

612
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 4: know whatever. You know, that's just the way I was.

613
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 4: I ran around because what happened is that the cops

614
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 4: would come to me and be like, hey about Tolomeo.

615
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 4: Will you tell these knuckleheads that coming up to shake down,

616
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 4: Like he would like use me as the conduit, Like, yo, listen,

617
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 4: put your phone away, because we'd all get in trouble.

618
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 4: We'd all lose our time. But it's a minimum security

619
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 4: be prison. This guy just doing thirteen weeks in prison.

620
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 4: He don't care what's another ten weeks to him. To me,

621
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 4: it's a depth right, I'm going to get out. I

622
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 4: got people coming up to get me, you know what

623
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 4: I mean. I'm not a knucklehead. I don't want to

624
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 4: end up in the I got a contract from the

625
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 4: guy in the kitchen. I'm living a great bid. I'm

626
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 4: working out every day. I'm getting ready. So anyway, she

627
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 4: calls me in the office. She gets on the phone

628
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 4: with the people from the halfway house and there's three

629
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 4: other inmates in there. She's like, yeah, how you doing. Yeah?

630
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 4: His number is two one two seven zero O thirty.

631
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 4: She stops talking about me, and I'm like, okay, listen,

632
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 4: I've been doing this for thirty years. She's on the

633
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 4: phone talking to this administrator. If there's anybody in my

634
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 4: thirty years that deserved a better date, it's this person.

635
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 4: If there's anyway she's listen, she overrode everybody in the

636
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 4: Federal Bureau of Prisons talking to this person, and she

637
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 4: talks on the phone to her.

638
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: Bro.

639
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 4: People are listening. They're like, you know what I'm saying, Bro,

640
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 4: My eyes are filling up. I'm like, I can't believe

641
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 4: this lady's doing this for me, Like you know, hey,

642
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 4: your date to date? Yeah, but what yah, listen, that's

643
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 4: all the iow. Listen. We put you in early, your date,

644
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 4: your date. That's what came back from Texas. We don't

645
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 4: know what to tell you. That's the standard answer, and

646
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 4: it would be like, boss, I, hey you I I

647
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 4: just wanted to come up good Joe. She went above

648
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 4: and beyond everything and got me a date which was

649
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 4: after my class, but only a month instead of seven months.

650
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 4: Oh no, listen, I was bros. I was tears were

651
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 4: in my eyes. I was like, and she was like,

652
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 4: you know, you deserve that, and I'm like, you know,

653
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 4: my eyes are filling up now. When she said like,

654
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 4: you deserve that, That's why I did that for you,

655
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 4: I was like, but you didn't have to do that.

656
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: So the greatest thing in life is when somebody cares

657
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 4: when there's.

658
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: No reason and there's nothing in it for selfless.

659
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 4: And the thing is is she could be reprimanded because

660
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 4: the thing is is in those places it's a minimum security.

661
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 4: Your date is your date. They put memorandums out. Don't

662
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 4: come asking staff. Your date is your date. We put

663
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 4: the paperwork in, we make the recommendation, we make there's

664
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 4: nothing we can do for you. After that, she's on

665
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 4: the phone. So and that's how I ended up getting out. Now,

666
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 4: when you talk about anxiety, no seamless integration, this is

667
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 4: where I belong in freedom.

668
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: You're just counting down. Just let me get there, Let

669
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: me get there.

670
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 4: That's it. And then you know all these knuckleheads using

671
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 4: cell phones getting the alcohol in drinking. Listen, I'm the

672
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 4: type of guy broa life, do your thing, you know

673
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 4: what I mean. But come on, you have to have

674
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 4: a little you have come. Everybody loses. And then the

675
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 4: class after us got set back three months. So ninety

676
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 4: days they're telling them, yeah, come and get me ready

677
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 4: before Christmas. I'll be home.

678
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: Oh match, wow, wow, vicious.

679
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 4: And that's what happens. And then you know the knuckleheads, right,

680
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 4: you see them, they're out there like, you know, put

681
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 4: a skirt on this, my man. Don't let this next

682
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 4: guy see you go in the bathroom. Go you want

683
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 4: to go, call your family. I get it, but you

684
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 4: got three months to do. Bro put everything down, Buckle down,

685
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. People have stuff to lose.

686
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 4: You can't do that with people. But it's not my

687
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 4: place as a convict or an inmate to say, hey,

688
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 4: you can't do that, right. I can't go to the

689
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 4: cops and say, hey, this guy's doing this. It's just

690
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 4: you can't do it. I don't do it, you know.

691
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 4: But you have to try to say, hey, my man,

692
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 4: check this out, you know what I mean. I would

693
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 4: come to them and say, yo, they're coming up. They're like, real,

694
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 4: I go, don't get nervous. Put it in a place

695
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 4: with it, don't throw it out the windows so they

696
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 4: find them outside. You got time put the stuff away.

697
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 4: They're coming up.

698
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: You know what you did? You use language? Yeah, you

699
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: talked about earlier, right, that's what you talked about, you know.

700
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 4: And that's difficult sometimes because you know, when you're talking

701
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 4: English to somebody that don't speak English. It's hot. Yeah,

702
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 4: when you tell your dog to stop backing and they

703
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 4: keep bocking and take.

704
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: The head of the dog. So all right, So what

705
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: year did you get out? When did you get out?

706
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 4: So I got out August of twenty twenty three. This

707
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 4: August will make three full years. But don't forget the

708
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 4: first year I was halfway house in home confinement.

709
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, I remember that. And then okay,

710
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: so you come out obviously. So since you were away,

711
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: your mom.

712
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 4: Passed, My mom, your brother, and my father all.

713
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: Passed while you were passed. And were you allowed to

714
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: go to their services?

715
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 4: No, I got an extra hundred phone minutes.

716
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, oh my god.

717
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,239
Speaker 4: But that's across the board. So so I'm not one

718
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 4: of these type of guys. You know, it's this conspiracy

719
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 4: against me. Prison administrators do what prison administrators do. When

720
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 4: Maddie can do whatever he can do for somebody, gives

721
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 4: them a scholarship, he gives them free housing. But at

722
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 4: the end of the day, there's some people that have

723
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 4: to get left out. You know what I'm saying. It's administration, right,

724
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 4: So if you don't want these problems, don't go to

725
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 4: prison exactly, you know. So I'm not the type of

726
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 4: guy to say, listen, I've dealt with some of the

727
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 4: greatest people that I've ever dealt with my life in

728
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 4: the Federal Bureau of Prisons, my administrators, the law makers.

729
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 4: Judge Young, who gave you a nasty decision against me

730
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 4: because I spoke out in his courtroom, probably one of

731
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 4: the smartest guys that I've read. Some of his syntax,

732
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 4: vernacular and some of his opinions. I'm like, this guy's

733
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: a beast, like I want to write like that. So

734
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 4: he's a lot smarter than I am, especially when I

735
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 4: was dealing with him. And if I saw Judge Young today,

736
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 4: I shake his hand, you know what I mean. And

737
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 4: this is why I was let off probation three years,

738
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 4: three and a half years early, because I have my

739
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 4: probation office. I had a great rapport with her, you

740
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 4: know what I mean, and we worked well together. You

741
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 4: have to work with people. You know. I'm not going

742
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 4: to come in here and be disruptive to you. You got

743
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 4: a job to do, right, So I just think that

744
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 4: that that just goes along with just being a good

745
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 4: person and doing something that your mother would be proud of.

746
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just goes. It goes really against a lot

747
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 1: of times. What happens with people with convicts, right, is

748
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: that you get institutionalized. You go in, you go out.

749
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's a vicious cycle, and you're breaking that cycle, right,

750
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: You're doing it the right way, the positive way.

751
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 4: It's you know a lot of people like to use blame,

752
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 4: but I also preface this like, I am the worst

753
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 4: case study for anybody getting out of prison. I mean,

754
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 4: I got guys like Maddie Power in my ConA. I

755
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 4: got guys like you know, my friend Geo that did

756
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 4: everything I ever needed them to do. I call them

757
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes later to do that. Yet you go, John

758
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 4: didn't even get out of bed yet. Fifteen minutes to

759
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 4: me is like full lifetimes in jail, you know, Like

760
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 4: you know, guys like Nick Verron or Frankie Deeper Squally.

761
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 4: I'm saying, you know, everybody that's helped me along the way,

762
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 4: everybody that come and bought a sweatshirt, that bought a hat,

763
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 4: that came up to me. Initially it was like, I

764
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 4: don't even care if I don't even want nothing, just

765
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 4: take this money, you know, So I am the worst

766
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 4: case study. Thank God that you know, based upon my

767
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 4: character and who I am, that they've supported me. But

768
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 4: I'm just it's a lot of gratitude, you know what

769
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 4: I mean. So my case is different than a lot

770
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 4: of people's, but there is help. You have to You

771
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 4: can't blame other people for your situation. You have to

772
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: just listen. It's frustrating me learning technology. You have to

773
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 4: work through frustration. Take one even if it's one step,

774
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 4: go to sleep, get up the next one, and take

775
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 4: the next step. But you have to move forward because

776
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 4: all you have to do is hang on for one

777
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 4: more day and you're gonna get there. I guarantee it.

778
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 4: I mean it took me ten thousand days. You a

779
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 4: lot shorter.

780
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

781
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well now because you are a social media guy,

782
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: yeah right, Like you had to learn how to use

783
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: an iPhone, how to use social media. That couldn't have

784
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: been easy, right, So I mean.

785
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 4: Where it's a process of working through frustration and as

786
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 4: a social media guy, when you say that, I'm just

787
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 4: a guy that gets my phone and just says is

788
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 4: what I feel that day. So I don't know about that.

789
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 4: I just know about now I'm starting to learn the

790
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 4: nuances of social media, and of course I'm trying to

791
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, it's a great confidence booster. It's

792
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 4: amazing when people say to me, like, bro, you know

793
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 4: how inspirational you are? When people say that when I

794
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 4: touch other people's worlds like that and they come up

795
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 4: to me and talk to me. I was standing there

796
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 4: with Millies last night. He's a rapper.

797
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.

798
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 4: Then with Millies, two guys come over and go, Yo,

799
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 4: I seen that thing. You know that the video you

800
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 4: I just want to tell I just wanted to come

801
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 4: up and introduce myself. Millie's just like, Yo, that's crazy, bro,

802
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? So so and that's like

803
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 4: it's humbling, like you know, like Maddie had said that

804
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 4: it's humbling, right, So it's definitely humbling, but it's also right.

805
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 4: It gives you like a breath of life and you're like, wow,

806
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 4: people like this. People. If I put every comment that

807
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 4: people have left me about you know what I have

808
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 4: done for them, and then they support me. They're buying sweatshirts.

809
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, Yo, this whole thing is crazy, you know,

810
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 4: but it is amazing to be able to be in

811
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 4: that category. If you're inspirational when you tell me that.

812
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 4: I'm like, this guy's just a don kiss one. A wait,

813
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 4: Billy cost I'm just talking to Billy Coster out there right,

814
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 4: like legend in Massachusetts, been on the radio forever. And

815
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 4: to see like these things play out in life, It's

816
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 4: like for me, it's fascinating why I say I have

817
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 4: the best life on planet Earth. Like I just have

818
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 4: the best life. And that's the way I live my

819
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 4: life every day.

820
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: And listen, I identify with that so much, especially you

821
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: know my career right coming up, Like I grew up

822
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: in Malden, down the street. I was a street kid

823
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: and out of jail, growing up, drugs, all that stuff.

824
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: And to be able to get into this and live

825
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: out my dream, I identify with that. It's just like

826
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: life just keeps getting better as long as I keep

827
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: doing the right thing, stay clean, treat people the right way.

828
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 4: Now we need extra innings little the time. I don't

829
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 4: want nobody to the school.

830
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: Let's send this a time. So Maddie, if if someone

831
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: is a client power of recovery and they can have

832
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: Johnny as a recovery coach.

833
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 3: No, it's not a menu, dude, we tried well, they

834
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 3: get a sign but especially like minded people talk to

835
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: like minded.

836
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 4: So if anybody's getting out of prison, I usually get them. Yeah,

837
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 4: that's good, that's what I want.

838
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 3: Johnny's not going to get a fifty year old housewife

839
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 3: who he No, that's not who he relates to. He'd

840
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 3: relate to you, you know what I mean, he could

841
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 3: talk down. I think he just short changed himself seamless

842
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 3: out of prison. It's because of what he I believe

843
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: personally is what he did inside. All these people wouldn't

844
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: be rushing to help you if you came out the

845
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: same guy that went in. You know what I'm saying,

846
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,479
Speaker 3: we wouldn't be sitting together.

847
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: There's a reason. He's right, there's a reason why everyone

848
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: was there to help you.

849
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: You know, I think you definitely should change it. You

850
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: did the work before you could reap your reward, and

851
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 3: therefore somebody sees a different problem. And like I don't

852
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: know you from before. We don't talk about.

853
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 4: Anything you ever did before.

854
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: I'm not interested in it, like it's nothing to me.

855
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 3: So therefore we have a different relationship. Like I'll call

856
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: him new Johnny. He's my friend. He helps people. That's

857
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 3: how I know him, you know, So like if that

858
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 3: guy came out that went in, we're not all sitting

859
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: here together. He wouldn't want to sit with us, so

860
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: like he did the work.

861
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: I've got to be honest with you, Johnny, I don't

862
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: know if i'd want to know you back then.

863
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 4: I wouldn't want to know.

864
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 5: He was a friend, not a dog.

865
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: Ally Yeah, no, not at all.

866
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 5: I think.

867
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: You know what else I think is a huge factor

868
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: for people to understand is like the perspective change that

869
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: he talks about, like and and you know, I I

870
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: heard very loud and clear, and it's something that I

871
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: see with with the people that we've worked with over

872
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 2: the heres and continue to work with, is that like

873
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: it's you can't put the blame on anybody else. You

874
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: can't make it difficult for the people that are in

875
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: your life that I have like a measure of control

876
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: of it as your probation officer, as your prole officer,

877
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: as someone who's like dictating some of the pieces of

878
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: your life, because you have to understand they're doing their

879
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: job right and so like to go at them and

880
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: it's no one's fault, like you're in the position you

881
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: just have to work every day to change how you

882
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: view that and understand like it's not going to do

883
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: you any good to make their lives.

884
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 4: Worse, and you know there are frustrating aspects of it.

885
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 4: I had an incident with my probation officer where I

886
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 4: had three dirty urines dirty for too much water to

887
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 4: dilute it. So I was I became visibly upset and

888
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 4: they were allowing me to travel travel at Columbia and

889
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 4: she said to me, Oh, maybe it's something in the

890
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 4: water in Columbia or something. Maybe you can't go to

891
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 4: Columbia anymore. And I was like, yo, Kylie, that's crazy.

892
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 4: That's like a low blow, Kylie Fauci. My probation officer

893
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 4: great people like the United States Probation Department in Boston

894
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 4: amazing worked well with me. I often to go back.

895
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 4: I'll speak to their clients whatever they need from me.

896
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 4: That's how great they were with me because I did

897
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 4: the right thing. And in this instance, what I did

898
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 4: was I took my frustration. I talked to her in

899
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 4: the office that day and I was frustrated. She knew it.

900
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 4: We were both frustrated, and she was like, John, listen,

901
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 4: I can't go to my boss right now and tell

902
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 4: him oh, Bo Tolomeo was a great guy. I doubt

903
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 4: he's using drugs and I don't think you are. But

904
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 4: this is the evidence I have. I have to go

905
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 4: back to my boss and say, what do we do

906
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 4: with this this person that is on federal probation with us.

907
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,479
Speaker 4: So what I did was I talked to my friend

908
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 4: Leo Farmer, who's a judge, and I asked them for

909
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 4: some advice. Right, go to an expert. So I said, hey, yeah,

910
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 4: for help exactly. So I said, Leo, what should I do?

911
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 4: He advised me to go for an independent test. That

912
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 4: quest I did. I went back. I gave that to

913
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 4: all the results to Kylie and the probation department, and

914
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 4: they were like, well, you didn't have to do this.

915
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 4: It's not going to do any good. But you didn't

916
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 4: have to do it. What he did and the next

917
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 4: couple tests I did, I didn't drink it. She goes

918
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 4: just I'm in early in the morning and listen. She

919
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 4: would come to my house, which is great for me.

920
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 4: I was saying, I have not done to hide. Come

921
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 4: to my house. Easy for me, Right, So I went through.

922
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 4: He obviously came to my house. We had two and

923
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 4: then never had another problem, never been yearned after that

924
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 4: and allowed to you know, exit probation three and a

925
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 4: half years early. So kudos to them for taking a

926
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 4: chance with me and believing in me. And you know,

927
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 4: but I did the footwork. I went out and got

928
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 4: that extra testion and you know what that says to them,

929
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 4: This guy went out and paid one hundred dollars for

930
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 4: a drug test. Wow. Yeah, that's that's that's laudable.

931
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you got lucky there, yeah, man, But again

932
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: it shows like people believed in you.

933
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

934
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: Definitely, So all right, Maddie, yes, sir, anything you want

935
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: to anything going on with power Power of Hope.

936
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: Not just still rolling power Hope's doing amazing it.

937
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: Now have you been the Power of Hope yet?

938
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 4: I walked through the Yeah?

939
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's really cool thing because they've been talking

940
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: about it for a while and then it finally opened.

941
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 4: And we were just talking about it today, you know

942
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, And like, all you have to say

943
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 4: is you said the kids, bro, kids, kids, you know

944
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 4: what I mean. So, and then Maddie was saying, like

945
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 4: what we just touched on about taking responsibility and being

946
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 4: you know, being capable to handle your own problems and

947
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 4: you know, asking for help whatever you need. But he goes,

948
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 4: I have less problems with these the kids, the kids,

949
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 4: like you know, that's what he was saying. Kids, kids, kids,

950
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 4: So it's it's really uh, I mean, kudos to these

951
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 4: I don't know how they do it. I was just

952
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 4: in their office. There's people working. I'm saying, there's there's

953
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 4: a lot of moving pots. Yeah, and you know, I'm

954
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 4: a recovery coach. I'm good at that capacity.

955
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: Right now.

956
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're growing Chelsea's houses. It's got another property on

957
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 3: Baker Street and lin we're building out right now so

958
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: it'll be another I believe thirty mail beds in Linz.

959
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: So you're building the house we demoed it. Yeah, so

960
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: you got it and you're redoing it all. Yeah. Yeah,

961
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: brand new facility.

962
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 4: How many do you have in lin in Linn alone?

963
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 5: What's huhuh?

964
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: You know you gotta go to these guys, these guys,

965
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: how many wants?

966
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 5: You know what I mean that you're enjoying the spotlight

967
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 5: right now?

968
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: Actually, you know what I meant to Okay, six I

969
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: meant to correct this.

970
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 5: Damon, It'll be six you sure seven, thank you.

971
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: Oh okay, see Damon, now I meant to correct. Remember Damon,

972
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: remember you called into the show and you had the

973
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: money counter.

974
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 5: Remember that he gets so uncomfortable.

975
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, I should have explained on the

976
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: air when we were live that the reason you had

977
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: it was because you would get it. You get cash

978
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: from the sober house.

979
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 5: Yeah a little bit, right, isn't that?

980
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: Why a little bit? Because I didn't say that, so

981
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: it sounded like you were fucking Tony Montana, Like why

982
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: else would somebody have a money counter.

983
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: I had to count Maddie's money from not much of it, believe.

984
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 4: Right now, I take what's left over, like when the

985
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 4: bill's rimp, I'll take that.

986
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, me too too.

987
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to you know, dude, Hey, you want to

988
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: know the Sars truth. I like, counting one hundred and

989
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: fifty singles was just like I you know what I mean,

990
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: there was it was getting to be too much. It

991
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: was getting to be too much, Like you.

992
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 5: Know, I want to I'd love to tell you. I'd

993
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 5: love to tell you.

994
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 2: I had, like, you know, like a Tony Montana counting thing.

995
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: But there's nothing like that going on unfortunately.

996
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Well, it's good to have you guys on.

997
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: Maddie and Damon and Johnny. Thank you so much for

998
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: coming on.

999
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 4: Man, feel a pleasure.

1000
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,479
Speaker 1: I got to say when you when you talked about

1001
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: posting these videos, you know it's just you talking to

1002
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: the camera. I know you know that they are inspirational.

1003
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: But I can personally to say I got a lot

1004
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: out of it. I just watching it. I just like

1005
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: get happy. I'm like, look at this guy, man living life,

1006
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, giving a message out. That's

1007
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: just what I like.

1008
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 4: Awesome.

1009
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: I like to see people win, you know.

1010
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 4: Listen, and you know what, here's the thing, news flash,

1011
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 4: there's room for everybody to win, right, don't hate all

1012
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 4: the next guy. Yeah, I just don't allow people to

1013
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 4: win because you know what, And I alway say this,

1014
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 4: if I was doing the best out of all my friends, hmmm,

1015
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 4: we'd be in a lot of trouble.

1016
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

1017
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 4: I mean, thank god my friends are doing good. Thank

1018
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 4: god the people around me are doing good.

1019
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. I always think about this, this moment where

1020
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: I was I was locked up and I had robbed

1021
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: my family of money go break before Christmas. My dad,

1022
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: I took all his money, right. And I had a

1023
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: little brother that was probably like seven or eight years old,

1024
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: so I robbed him of all his money. I got

1025
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: arrested on a warrant. I went to jail, got sentenced.

1026
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: So I'm in there now. It's after Christmas, obviously, and

1027
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: my dad had no money to buy my brother Christmas gifts, right,

1028
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: So I'm in there, and I remember I was like,

1029
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: you know, catching reck with the guys talking shit. No

1030
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: one was writing me, no one was giving visits, right,

1031
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: And they called my name for a visit, okay, And

1032
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: so all the guys were there were like, who's that?

1033
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: Is that a chick? You got chick coming, you know?

1034
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, probably who else would it be?

1035
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: So I walked down. I'm like high five and the guys,

1036
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, here we go. I walked down to the

1037
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: visiting room and I walk in and now it's full

1038
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: of people on visits. And I turned the corner, go

1039
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: into the booth and it's my father and my little brother,

1040
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: and I just sat down and I fucking started crying.

1041
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: You do, Like, here here was this man that I

1042
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: had fucking broken. He couldn't even buy one gift from

1043
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: my brother. And the unconditional love of him coming to

1044
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: visit me and he said to me, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1045
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: oh yeah, he sees all this and he said to

1046
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: me and he said to me, he said, I love

1047
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: your son. I just want you to get better. And

1048
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: my brother started crying and he's like, I just want

1049
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,479
Speaker 1: you to be better. You know. He used to steal

1050
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: my needles, you know.

1051
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 4: And take them. Take thought he was doing your favor.

1052
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I used to think about that when you

1053
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: talk about that false self confidence, like that was me.

1054
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to be this streak guy, you know, done

1055
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: fucking time. Like when I was growing up, it wasn't

1056
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: going to college, right, It was like when are you

1057
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: gonna sent to bill Rica? Because once you get sent

1058
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: to bill Rica, you're a man. You made it, you

1059
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: made it right. It's like you was up there too.

1060
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: Oh then you start when the riots happened, it's a

1061
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: whole bullshit. It doesn't pay. That's a facade, doesn't fucking matter.

1062
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: Johnny your clothing line, you want to give a shout

1063
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: out on that.

1064
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's twenty seventh straight. Anybody can go on my

1065
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 4: Instagram page which is official Underscore Johnny Underscore Battolomeo. I'm

1066
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 4: sure you'll put it up on the credits.

1067
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: But Johnny Bott yep.

1068
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 4: You know, just anybody wants to give me a shout out.

1069
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 4: Anybody needs anything, and you know, first and foremost, if

1070
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 4: anybody is struggling in recovery today and needs a bed,

1071
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 4: call me. I'll get you a bed today. That's always

1072
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 4: the message. If you need help, I got you today.

1073
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 4: I'll take time out of my day and get you today.

1074
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: He means it.

1075
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Johnny, Maddy, Damon, I mean, what's the phone number,

1076
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: Damon eight.

1077
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 5: Five seven five six seven six seven up.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, people hate you. You guys are the best.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming off.

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Speaker 4: Thank you brother, awesome and.

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Speaker 1: I remember all your questions and comments always on the

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Speaker 1: talk back Mike on a ID app. All right, Peace,