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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, here it is. But would you

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Speaker 1: I think Steeler fans are probably in a place right

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Speaker 1: So you would, So you would rather go ten and

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Speaker 3: I'm me personally maybe not, but I'm saying I don't

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Speaker 1: If you get the first overall pick, you can presumably

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, it's our two and ten. They're gonna need

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Speaker 1: Okay, I appreciate the call. Again, there are some Steeler

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Speaker 5: X Thursday night, the Pens take on the Devils. Game

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: We obviously we've talked a lot of hockey today. We've

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Speaker 1: Phil Bork, two times Stanley Cup champion with the Penguins

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Speaker 1: and a damn good guy. Hi Phil, how are you?

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Speaker 4: Hey? Paul? Good to hear your voice number one. And

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Speaker 4: as I was waiting on Hole to come on with you,

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Speaker 4: I was just thinking, does this guy have a nickname?

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Speaker 4: Like you got one of those names, Paul, you know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some people. I think Zeisser is the one that

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Speaker 1: they're not very nice. Already, Area already, but Zeisser is good.

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Speaker 1: Is a good one. I like that one. Of course.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've been around the NHL a long long time.

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Speaker 1: there's probably be another teams too that. But but let's

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Speaker 4: It's a good question. Is my my knee jerk answer

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Speaker 4: You think about games in December where they were leasing

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Speaker 4: There's been The best part is I can say, Paul,

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Speaker 1: And they're just.

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Speaker 4: A fragile team and a fragile organization. Not this group,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've said it before on the air.

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Speaker 4: They have a heart of a lion, and that sounds

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Speaker 4: true Paul, that they've got so much character. They have

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think that you just said it, and

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Speaker 4: But a lot had to happen, right, I mean, it's

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Speaker 4: We need an injection of youth. Well, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: Of course, I'm talking about Ben Kendall. You need your

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Speaker 4: let's have some fun, and let's win some hockey games.

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Speaker 4: And they really have come together, Paul, from.

431
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Speaker 1: Your observation, and obviously it's up close and personal. What

432
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: is the most important or biggest factor that Dan Muses

433
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: brought to the Penguins.

434
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 4: Oh, good question, putting me on the spot to come

435
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 4: up with one bend. I think his passion for the game,

436
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 4: his love for the game and having fresh ideas and

437
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 4: having a commitment to go for it, whether it's pulling

438
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 4: your goalie early, whether it's some of those challenges that

439
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 4: he's had that he doesn't coach out of any fear

440
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 4: of losing his job. He coaches with a commitment to

441
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 4: win hockey games. I think he has walked the tightrope

442
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 4: like I'm giving you more than one answer. I'm sorry, Paul,

443
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 4: but I have to. But I think he has walked

444
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 4: that tightrope of being a good guy but not being

445
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 4: their buddy, and being a coach but not being a jerk.

446
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 4: You know, he's walked that line where he's helped them accountable.

447
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 4: I think they like him, you know, but we're not

448
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 4: in the good guy business. We're in the win hockey

449
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 4: games business. And I think he has walked that line

450
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 4: where when it's time to be friends and just have

451
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 4: conversation about your family and your dog and about your

452
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 4: car and stuff like that, you can have that with

453
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 4: Dan Mws. But when it's time to be a hockey

454
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 4: coach and to get these guys to dial in and

455
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 4: get these guys to play better than maybe they I

456
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 4: think they can play. He has struck that court also,

457
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 4: and that is such a thin fine line to walk

458
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 4: in twenty five, twenty six, not just hockey, I think

459
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 4: in any sport.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

461
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Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, I have a hard time

462
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: believing that there will be uh or or that there's

463
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: there's a better candidate for Coach of the Year than

464
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: Dan Mues considering everyone, you know, all things considered, when

465
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: it comes to what people believe the Penguins were going

466
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: to be. I think one of the most interesting things

467
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: Phil is despite the youth movement and the injection of

468
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: young players and all that other stuff, there's six top

469
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: scorers are all still thirty somethings. So it's it's been

470
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: a good mix of the veterans and the young guys.

471
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Speaker 4: Yeah, great point, Great point. And to me, that's just

472
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 4: guys who are sick and flipping tired of missing the playoffs.

473
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 4: To me, that's that's what And they really come together.

474
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 4: You know, when you I mentioned Eric Carlson, thirty five,

475
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 4: Steve and Tanger both thirty eight, GMO thirty nine, and

476
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 4: you know, if you sprinkling guys like you know, Manther

477
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 4: and Brazo that are all you know right around that

478
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 4: age of thirty that haven't had tons of traction in

479
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 4: other organizations, they're having career years, right, And that's what

480
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 4: makes it so unique and so special.

481
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 3: You know, we've got.

482
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Speaker 4: Five players of twenty or more goals and now you've

483
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 4: got guy like Brian Russ with twenty eight knocking on

484
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 4: thirty again. Like it's got so many different layers to it.

485
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 4: And so you know, your original question to me, Paul

486
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 4: was about a lot of people saying this team, you know,

487
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 4: might be a lottery team, like never mind playoffs. But

488
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I told you so. But you know,

489
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 4: if you really looked at this team on paper, you're like,

490
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 4: this should be a good hockey team. If they get

491
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 4: any kind of goaltending, they should be a good hockey team.

492
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 4: And they've been able to do that. And so you

493
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 4: can look at the numbers for Stuart Skinner and Archer

494
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 4: sheetoffs and say, oh, these should be better. Yeah. Also,

495
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 4: but also look at the eye test that there's been

496
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 4: moments where okay, maybe they've given up three or four, Paul,

497
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 4: but at the right time and the Penguins of one

498
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 4: more goal they've maken, They've made that one more save,

499
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 4: and that maybe has been something that was lacking over

500
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 4: the last two or three years.

501
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you know, that's obviously one of the questions

502
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: that people have about the Penguins going into the playoffs,

503
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: and is that, you know, are they are they good

504
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: enough in goal uh to win a couple of rounds

505
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Obviously Skinner has done that the last

506
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: few years, So I'm not sure why there's a question,

507
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: but I mean, what is your thoughts.

508
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 4: I think you just have to be good, that's it.

509
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 4: Don't lose the game or don't lose the series. Just

510
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 4: be solid, make the saves you're supposed to make. I

511
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 4: think they've got enough guys that can put the biscuit

512
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 4: in the basket. I think when they really need to,

513
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 4: when they really need to dial in and play defense

514
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 4: and protect the one goal lead, I think they can

515
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 4: do that. Also, I think the more they're challenged, especially

516
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 4: certain opponents. You know, just an example, they knew they

517
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 4: were going up against the Florida Panthers, even though they

518
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 4: were out a bunch of players, they knew they were

519
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 4: back to back Stanley Cup champions. It gets their attention.

520
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 4: You know the game earlier where they beat the Colorado

521
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 4: Avalanche in Colorado handily. You know, there's something about that

522
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 4: fear for this group, whether whether it's the moment or

523
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 4: the opponent or the venue or whatever. When they really

524
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 4: get you know, the spidery senses really tingling, Paul, that's

525
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 4: when this team really comes together. And so you know,

526
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 4: as far as the goaltending, I think they just have

527
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 4: to be good and I think they have their ability.

528
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 4: They've both been winners. I mean we mentioned Stuart Skinning

529
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 4: and gone to the Stanley Cup final two years in

530
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 4: a row. Archor Shelfs you know what he did, you know,

531
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 4: in the World Championships, what he did in the American

532
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 4: Hockey League last year. For Abertard, I mean, he's a

533
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 4: goaltender that I think is hungry to get to meaningful games.

534
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 4: And I think both these goaltenders, the bigger the game,

535
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 4: the better they play.

536
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's that's going to be very much.

537
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean a big question with his team and the

538
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: other part of it is is you know, boy, they're

539
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: fun to watch in terms of it feels like one

540
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: they start to smell sort of the blood in the water.

541
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: The next thing you know, the game goes from two

542
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: to one to five to one, just like that. But

543
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: you know, as you know, the playoffs slow down a

544
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: little bit and then you know it's not quite as

545
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: open as it as it can't you know, as it

546
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: is during the regular season and you're playing some better teams.

547
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: Can they can they you know, play a game a

548
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: style of game where they just you know, and they

549
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: might have to grind out a few goals and win

550
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: like that if they have to.

551
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 4: That's my biggest question, Paul. You know, once they do

552
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 4: clinch a spot, that's my biggest question because they have

553
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 4: only won one game all year by the exact score

554
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 4: of three to two, and that's when they beat Vancouver

555
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 4: and as the last game with that road trip, and

556
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 4: Vancouver is the worst team in the league. They have

557
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 4: not won a game by the exact score of two

558
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 4: to one, and they have not won a game by

559
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 4: the exact score of one to nothing. I bring that

560
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 4: up because those are playoff type games. Majority of playoff games,

561
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 4: especially when you get to game sixes and game sevens

562
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 4: in series are one nothing, two to one, three to two.

563
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 4: And so if I have any question for this group

564
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 4: is can they win those low scoring one goal games,

565
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 4: because they haven't shown me that this year except for

566
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 4: that one game in Vancouver. So there's always going to

567
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 4: Every team has a question mark. I guarantee you that

568
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 4: people in Dallas and Minnie, in Carolina and Colorado, there's

569
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 4: always something that seems to be like, well, there's this.

570
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 4: You know, maybe their power plays not so great, maybe

571
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 4: the penalty kills not so great. You know, maybe their

572
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 4: road record is worse than their home record. So every

573
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 4: team has something. There's no big dog in the league anymore.

574
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 4: It's wide open. Any team can be any team in

575
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 4: a seven game series. As far as I'm concerned.

576
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: You obviously play and we're talking with Phil Bourck. Of course,

577
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: you obviously played in some of these games, and so

578
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: you kind of know the density. But as things are

579
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: looking right now, all the things don't change. If everyone

580
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: sort of stays in their own position, you're gonna get

581
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 1: a series to start the playoffs against your old friends

582
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: of the Flyers. That could be one of those series

583
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: that brings the juices out of people, couldn't it.

584
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: Don't tease me like that. You know how I feel.

585
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 3: You know how I.

586
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 4: Feel about the Flyers. You know I don't even eat

587
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 4: orange eminem that's how much I hate the Philadelphia Flyers.

588
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 4: And we don't have enough time for me to go

589
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 4: into why I think.

590
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: You know why, I.

591
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 4: Think now that Rick Talcket is their hop head coach.

592
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 4: I think that only adds to it. That's what you want, man,

593
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 4: that's what you want in the playoffs. Ironically, the last

594
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 4: time the Penguins won a series was what four years

595
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 4: ago against the Philadelphia Flyers. So there's history there, right,

596
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: and that's gonna bring the best out of the players

597
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 4: because they're gonna hear all about what happened thirty years ago.

598
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 4: They're gonna hear all about Rick talk. They're gonna hear

599
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 4: about all these things. And now you got Trevor Ziegers

600
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 4: and how he stirred the pot during the regular season.

601
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 4: You know, those regular season games, they got feisty. And

602
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 4: that's a good thing because the Flyers are better now,

603
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 4: the Penguins are better now. They're both looking to be

604
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 4: playoff teams, and that's when really things get spicy, and

605
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 4: that's where things boil over. And that's what we want

606
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 4: as fans. As much as I'm a broadcaster, I'm a

607
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 4: fan just like you, Paul. I want to see the nasty, right.

608
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 4: I want to see guys getting after each other because

609
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 4: that's what you play for. That's what playoff hockey's all about.

610
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 4: And the guys that are beat up the most and

611
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 4: are able to win the last game of the season,

612
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 4: those are the ones of the champs. He got to

613
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 4: pay the price. And I guarantee you when you get

614
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 4: silly and picked together, if that's what it's going to

615
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 4: be in round number one, you are guaranteed fireworks. And

616
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 4: that's the way it's supposed to be.

617
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 5: Well.

618
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And it's weird because, uh, the Flyers if you

619
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: look at him really, I mean, I don't know that

620
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: they do anything exceptionally well. They just sort of find

621
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: ways to win games. So that's kind of a scary team,

622
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, just because you kind of, you know, you

623
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: kind of have to be worried about the fact that

624
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: that's how they play. They want to you know, drag

625
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 1: into their kind of game and then you know, see

626
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: if they can slop together enough to win at the end.

627
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: The NHL is brutal. Though Phil Patrick Waugh a week

628
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: and a half ago they were talking about, you know,

629
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: hosting the first round of the playoffs. He got fired

630
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: over the weekend because they lost I think four or

631
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: five in a row and now they're outside looking in.

632
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: They replace them with Peter de Boyer, who apparently is

633
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: going to try and coach every team in the league

634
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: before he retires. I don't know why is the league

635
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: so brutal like that on coaches.

636
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 4: Owners They want to win, that's how bad they want

637
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 4: to win. And I think the pockets are getting deeper

638
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 4: and deeper. Teams the value of teams is going up

639
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 4: so nifficantly over the last few years that ownership now

640
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 4: are saying, Okay, I don't even know what Patrick Wah's maying.

641
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 4: Let's just say a number out there. He's making three million.

642
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 4: He's got two years left in this deal. Okay, I'll

643
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 4: eat that because I want the boor in here. I

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Speaker 4: want to get to the playoffs. I can make that

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Speaker 4: up if we get a couple of rounds in the playoffs,

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Speaker 4: and I'll eat the I'll eat the Patrick WWA salary

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Speaker 4: over the next two years. I think that's the reality

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Speaker 4: of it. They want to win so damn bad. And

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Speaker 4: also I think, you know, you look at if if

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Speaker 4: the New York Islanders had their eyes set on Peter

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Speaker 4: de Boor, he was gonna have a lot of suitors

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Speaker 4: in the offseason. And I think they figured, if we

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Speaker 4: were going to try to pull that trigger at the

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Speaker 4: end of the season, why not pull the trigger now

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Speaker 4: because we've lost four straight. It doesn't smell good right now.

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Speaker 4: We're probably gonna let Patrick wag go at the end

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Speaker 4: of the year. Why wait, let's see if we can

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Speaker 4: salvage something. And even if we don't get into the playoffs,

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Speaker 4: even if we do, you know, stumble and bumble down

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Speaker 4: the last four games that we have. By the way,

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Speaker 4: all four of their games aren't home I starting against

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Speaker 4: the Toronto Maplea's is their next one, so all four

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Speaker 4: on home. I they're going to try to salvage. They're

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Speaker 4: going to kind of try to sneak in and maybe

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Speaker 4: they can can can make something out of having a

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Speaker 4: new head coach. Who knows. I thought I saw it

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Speaker 4: all with Las Vegas letting go of Bruce Cassidy and

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Speaker 4: bringing in John Tortorella. What a week ago, ten days ago,

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Speaker 4: whatever it is, and now we get this one here.

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Speaker 4: But to me, it's a message to the rest of

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Speaker 4: the league that owners are willing to swallow hard as

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Speaker 4: far as paying coaches to go put their toes in

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Speaker 4: the sand and still make their salary and let them

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Speaker 4: go early if they feel like that's the guy that

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Speaker 4: I want, that's out there, and I don't want anybody

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Speaker 4: else to get them, I'm going to jump ahead of

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Speaker 4: the line.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, I guess we've seen it

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Speaker 1: a couple of times of the Penguins where they've made in,

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Speaker 1: you know, mid season changes and it turned into Stanley Cup.

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Speaker 1: But how much in four games can a guy realistically

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Speaker 1: change about this team?

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Speaker 4: No, I know, and listen, I've seen it before. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it was all what happened in Columbus. Right when they

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Speaker 4: brought in Rick Bonus. They had a spike, and now

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Speaker 4: they've kind of they are who they are, right, and

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Speaker 4: now they're stumbling, right. And so you look at that

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Speaker 4: roster for the New York Islanders and it's flawed, right,

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Speaker 4: And so I mean, you could put a band aid

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Speaker 4: on a couple of things and maybe you win a

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Speaker 4: couple of games, but you can't pull a one to eighty,

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Speaker 4: you know, I mean that very rarely, especially with only

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Speaker 4: four games to go. So can you imagine if they

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Speaker 4: lose this first game, they're pretty close to being done

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Speaker 4: if they lose against the Toronto Maple League. So again,

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Speaker 4: I think this is as much as right now, Paul.

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Speaker 4: I think it's in the future because he's contracted for

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Speaker 4: the rest of this year and then three more years

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Speaker 4: for Pete de Boor, and so they want him to

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Speaker 4: be the guy to get this New York Islander team

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Speaker 4: back to being a legitimate playoff team and make some

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Speaker 4: kind of a run. And it's again if they can

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Speaker 4: get to him and get him signed early like they did. Well,

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Speaker 4: they'll see how this plays out in the last four games,

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Speaker 4: whether they get in or not.

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Speaker 1: They got their guys, well, Phil, I appreciate you jumping on, buddy,

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Speaker 1: and thank you so much for joining us and great stuff,

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Speaker 1: and and we you know, we hopefully we can do

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Speaker 1: it again soon.

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Speaker 4: All right, sir, enjoyed that time together.

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Speaker 1: This was we'll see my man nice Billboorg And of

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Speaker 1: course on Paul's icing for Mark Madden. It's one of

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Speaker 1: five ninety.

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Speaker 2: X every weekday and tell him is Travis one five

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Speaker 2: ninety X.

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Speaker 1: Don't tell me what I know Travis Pittsburgh's rocking alternatives.

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