WEBVTT - 10-27-25 The Nightcap with Gary Jeff Walker 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:06.800 Welcome to the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW on Monday 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:11.760 evening October twenty seven, twenty twenty five. Jeff Gilson will 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:16.400 be here. Among his many attributes was a speech writer 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:21.280 for the late great Margaret Thatcher, remember the Prime Minister 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:24.360 of Great Britain that everyone called the Iron Lady. Good 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:29.520 friends with Ronald Reagan, Michael Finch, who is the president 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:31.880 of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, with a brand new 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:36.240 book called A Time to Stand to Preserve American culture 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:39.720 and history and keep us Great, Joshua Philip from the 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:47.040 Epoch Times, Brian Reesinger from Land Rich, Cash Poor, and 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:50.280 on what China's trying to do to American farmers, and 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.160 also the wild Man. Before we're done, but we start 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:58.440 tonight with Joseph Solomon, who was literally rolling on the 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:02.080 river as we speak, and we're going to find out 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:07.240 about his latest tales from his journey, his kayak journey, 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.080 which will amount to some six thousand miles by the 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:15.320 time he's finished next year. He set out from Cincinnati 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:21.280 on September first on his kayak and is now in Mississippi. 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.160 I believe. Let's get an update from Joseph Solomon. 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:27.960 Joe how are you doing, man, I'm pretty good in yourself. 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.640 I'm doing fine. And to spit all that stuff out 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:33.440 just so we could get to the good stuff you 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.200 We talked to you on September first, as you were 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:43.200 just setting sail on your kayak out of Cincinnati. And 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:47.039 again for folks who did not hear that interview, Joseph, 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:51.400 what is your ultimate goal and when will you get there? 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.720 My ultimate goal is to be able to paddle back 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.040 to Cincinnati after going around that's the be Florida and 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.280 up into New York, cutting through the Great Lakes and 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.800 coming down the Illinois River back to the Mississippi, and 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:13.000 once I get to the Ohio confluence, I'll attempt to 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:14.839 paddle back up the Ohio River. 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:15.720 Yeah. 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.480 How much difficulty is that paddling up the Ohio as 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:21.799 as opposed to paddling down. 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:27.120 Well, paddling down's probably more difficult than paddling up because 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:30.960 the winds come from the southwest every day, So getting 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.760 down the river, you've got winds in your faith all 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.919 day long. Going back up, I've got a sail on 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:41.160 my kayak. I can actually sail back up the Ohio 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.079 River instead of having to paddle, so hard. 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.000 What is the what is the longest trip you've made 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.680 on a kayak to this point, I mean, before you 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.720 started this, what was the lengthiest trip you made in 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:53.360 your kayak? 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:57.640 Joe, I did back in twenty twenty one. I did 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:03.560 the entire Mississippi River from source to Vicksburg, Mississippi, and 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:08.519 then a Hurricane Heida came through and kind of decimated 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.440 the rest of my routes. The following year, I've paddled 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.760 from downtown Cincinnati all the way to the Gulf of Mexico. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:20.480 Wow, but that's nothing like paddling through the inner coastal 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.560 and then going back up of the Eastern seaboard. That 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:28.960 just seems really, really daunting. At any point. How close 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.840 are you to the ocean at any point on your voyage? 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:35.760 Well, there will be days that I can actually get 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:41.160 out into the ocean when it's calm, somewhere around Alabama's 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:45.400 where the inner coast the waterway really starts, and I 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:49.760 can stay within those boundaries if the ocean's tub rowty, 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.480 or I can take the ocean route if I still choose. 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:58.480 All right, So here's the other question. And I know 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.880 you've got plenty of stories, just almost two months into 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:06.160 your trip. Here we are at October twenty seventh. Where 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:07.880 is Joseph Solomon? Right now? 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.920 I am at the entrance of the old lock to 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:18.040 the chapel Aya River on the Mississippi Louisiana border. 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.040 Shortly today, at. 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:27.400 Some point in the afternoon, I will be strictly in Louisiana, okay, 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:29.039 with no bordering states. 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:32.640 Well, and I know that you have a what do 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:36.760 you call your your fund that that's keeping you afloat, 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:38.040 keeping you in in. 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:40.479 Well. 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:45.839 People can donate direct or they can donate to the 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:49.280 National Alliance for Mental Illness on my website, which is 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:56.200 Kayaking the new Merrick for acause dot com. Right and 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:00.200 on there there's tabs that people can donate direct eat 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.080 me going to raise this awareness. 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:06.800 Provisions, provisions you called it your spam fund or what 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:07.640 you call that. 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.000 Just yeah, if people want to give me a can 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.080 of spam, they can dominate a couple of bucks to 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:14.000 the spam fund. 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:20.320 All right, But that's Kayak for a Cause, Kayaking for 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.760 a call, Kayaking for a Cause dot org or. 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:25.799 Dot com dot com. 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:31.320 All right, fantastic. Now, you set out on September first, 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:36.760 as we mentioned, out of Cincinnati. What was the first, uh, 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.640 what was the first bit of turbulence you encountered in 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:43.760 your kayak on your journey? Just the first time you went, oh, man, 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.000 this is a really great idea. I'm glad I came 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:48.200 up with it. 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.960 I guess you're speaking of something that kind of scared. 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:54.840 The Bejesus. 0:05:55.920 --> 0:06:00.880 Exactly really happy I'm doing this. Uh. I was coming 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:06.240 into the John T. Meyers locking Damn there on the 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:10.359 Ohio River, and there was a storm brewing behind me, 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.760 and it was pushing me into the lock and damn, 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:20.520 and I was live feeding the whole entire situation, which 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.640 that storm. I didn't get hit by it until after 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:25.719 I went through the lock. But the winds were so 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:29.680 heavy and it pushed me into the lock. I had 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.080 nowhere to go to hide or get out of it. 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.920 And you know, I'm thankful that I was able to 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.000 get into that lock and get out of that lock 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:39.560 without any kind of incidents. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:40.960 But it was pretty scary. 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.280 What should like going through a lock in a kayak? 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.360 Somebody else asked me that the first time you were 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.000 on the air. I said, I have no idea what 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.640 he does in those situations. 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:55.440 I have a VHF radio and on channel thirteen, you 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:59.320 can call the lock master and request to be entered 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.599 into the lock. I usually call them when I'm about 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.760 a mile away, just in case they have to fill 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.800 the chamber up to get to where I'm at or 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.440 and then once I get in, they let the water 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:15.000 out of the chamber, and once it's completely level with 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.440 the water below the dam, the door is open and 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:19.600 your cruise on out. 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:25.840 All right, So you made it through that situation, what 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.200 was what was the next adventure you? I mean you 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.280 you at a certain point. Did you get onto the 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.720 Mississippi or how did you start heading south? 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:39.400 So I paddled from Cincinnati to the confluence of the 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:46.200 Ohio and Mississippi, which goes southwest. And then once I 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:50.600 got on the Mississippi, which was about I think somewhere 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.880 around October the first right, I made it onto the 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:59.840 Mississippi River, and I paddled to Memphis from there, and 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:03.640 I met with my friend David. He lives in New Orleans, 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.520 so he's paddling with me from Memphis all the way 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:08.640 to New Orleans. 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.840 So you are gonna you are going to land in 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.120 New Orleans. Then are you gonna drop David off. 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:18.520 Uh, David's gonna go back to his his daily life, 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.640 and I'm going to keep on going. One thing is 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.480 I have to come home for a doctor's appointment, So 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.080 I gotta I got Once I get to New Orleans, 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.760 I'm gonna drive back to Cincinnati see the doctor, and 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.319 then drive back to New Orleans and get all my way. 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.760 All right, was this like a planned doctor's appointment? 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:37.079 Yeah? 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:41.520 I have to return to the doctor every three months unfortunately. 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.760 So yeah, that kind of that kind of makes the 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:45.040 trip a little bit longer. 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:50.360 But you just a little bit. Yeah, I'm doing fairly well. 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:55.920 I'm actually rolling at probably twenty averaging with all the 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.600 days off that I've taken. I'm averaging twenty to twenty 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:00.800 one month a day. 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.720 So you say a day off, what do you do 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.320 on a day off? Do you find a place to recoup? 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.400 I know that a lot of people leave you. You've 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:11.960 told me that a lot of people on the journey 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.640 know what you're doing and have been following you. And 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:18.840 it's hard to get back up on the river sometimes 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.839 because these people want to take you in and treat 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:23.880 you like their little pet or something. 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:25.959 Like a pet. 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.959 You know, to be honest with you, I've stayed on 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.640 the water pretty much the whole time. There may have 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:37.160 been a couple times, two or three times I got 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.640 out and went to either a hotel or somebody's house, 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.280 But for the most part, I've been on the river. 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:48.600 On the river. On a day off, I get to 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.520 organizing all my stuff and trying to clean the sand 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.600 off of everything, because everything does get caked with sand. 0:09:54.800 --> 0:10:00.280 I bet uh So, Yeah, on a day off, you're 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:05.640 doing things. We hung out in Natchez for a while, 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.400 got to meet the mayor of Idelia, which is there 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:12.520 across the river from Natchez. Dave and I called it 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:14.679 Shanghai in Natchez. 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:15.760 Because we were stuck there for like. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:19.680 Four days and river angels were passing us off to 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:23.960 other river angels and it was just a really good 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:27.439 time and kind of held us back a few days. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:31.119 But now we're back at it again, and we're probably 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:35.400 I don't know, some forty five to fifty miles just 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.040 north of Baton Rouge, Louisiana. 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:44.480 The Red Stick. You know what I would ask you Normally, 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:48.120 if I knew somebody was going to Louisiana, I would 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:51.080 ask for them to bring me back some budhang, but 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:54.760 it's not really not really something you can do. 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:59.400 That is something I can do next month on the 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.800 sometime during the day on the twelve, I can get 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.200 that to you. You just share me your contact info 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.000 when we get off the station, and I'll make sure 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:09.800 that I'll bring some boudan to you. 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:11.319 Have you Have you ever had budan? 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.240 Yes, sir, I have, and it's probably the best sauce 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.199 that you can ever eat. And like I said, I'm 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.440 a man of my word. I'll put a kooler together 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:21.800 and get some budhan, do you. 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.280 Well, you know, maybe I'll uh, maybe I'll go to 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.920 maybe I'll go to kayakingfor acause dot com and I'll 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.960 provide the funds so you can pick it up easily 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:31.480 for me. 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.079 Yeah, yeah, I can do that for you. Is there 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.800 anything else from New Orleans that you just love that 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:37.320 you need? 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.480 No, not especially. I mean, I'm a big fan of 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:44.400 gumbo and uh and I love Cajun and Creole cooking. 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:46.880 But that's fine. If if I can get a roll 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.360 of budant out of this, it'll be a bargain for me. 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:55.000 I got you, all right, fantastic, So from New Orleans. 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.240 Then you're going to drive back to your doctor's appointment 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:03.440 and then drive back down right, Yes, sir, okay? And 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.880 does the kayak stay in New Orleans or how does 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:07.160 that happen? 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.360 Yeah, the kayak and all my gears is going to 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.720 stay in New Orleans. I have a secure place to 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:16.079 put it kind of why, Like I wasn't supposed to 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:17.880 go to the doctor till the end of the month, 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.240 but I have a secure place right now. So I'm 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.880 gonna just, you know, kind of hold up a couple 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:26.200 of days in New Orleans and enjoy myself and then 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:28.440 drive home and then drive right back. 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:33.679 All right, I got you. What's what's been? Has there 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.080 been another tough part of the trip so far for you? 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.439 I mean, all of it sounds pretty grueling to me, but. 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:44.640 Uh, just I would say the toughest thing is the 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:49.120 Mississippi River. Water levels are extremely low right now, okay, 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:53.440 And with them being so low, there's not a lot 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:58.000 of rooms for the kayak and barges to make pass 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.640 while going down the river. So a lot of times 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:05.520 we have to stay clear of the channel because of 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:09.040 the barges, and that's it's hard for them, and it's 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:12.360 hard for us, but we've remained in constant contact with 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.800 all barge operators to make sure they know where we're 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.120 at and and you know, know of a safe place 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.800 that we can stay or or b But when you 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:27.280 go behind the movies, it's all flackwaters, so you slow down, 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.520 and some days we won't get the kind of miles 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.600 we really want to get in that day because we're 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:38.839 slowed up by by traffic. And with these low water levels, 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:43.200 commerce in the United States is going to suffer, you know, 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:48.080 from from the the levels of the water being so low. 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.079 How did you How did you train for this physically? 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:56.080 I mean, because this is like running a marathon every 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:57.640 day in a boat. 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.680 To me, well, I've got a lot of muscle memory 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:08.440 in my body. I between twenty eighteen and or yeah, yeah, 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.440 twenty eighteen and twenty twenty two, I've paddled well over 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:15.880 seven thousand miles. So by doing that, I really don't 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.319 have to, like, you know, work out every single day 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.440 or prepare too much. I always know that the first 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.600 two weeks are going to be growing for me, and 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:25.840 then after that my body will be used to it 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:27.360 and I can just keep on going. 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:30.680 It's a lot of it seems like a lot of 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:32.200 work to me, Joe. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:39.800 It is, but you know, it is a lot of work. 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:46.160 But at the same time, you know, we're I'm able 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.080 to raise awareness for mental health to a lot of people, 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.720 and it's been very, very good to us. 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.960 You know, some people might be some people might question 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.840 your mental health doing something like this. 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:05.880 Hello, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm still here. We're navigating with 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.640 a barge right now, so I'm just trying to pay attention. 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.200 Sure, sure, yeah. 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.720 I mean some may question my mental health. I don't 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.920 because I know what I'm capable of and what I 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:22.360 can handle. And and this is you know, I've had 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:24.880 a near death experience in my life and it had 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.920 a profound change on my life to a point where 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:32.160 I've realized that I had this incredible strength to be 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.000 able to do this. So why not go out and 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:38.880 raise awareness and get people talking about mental health and 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:44.080 in a beautiful environment, because the Mississippi and the Ohio 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.760 rivers are both beautiful, absolutely beautiful. 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.400 I would agree with you. So the next step when 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.520 you get back to New Orleans and you get back 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:58.800 in the kayak is to make your way east. Right. 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:03.560 Yes, there's some portageing I have to do in New 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.560 Orleans because the lock to get to the Inner Coastal 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.440 Waterway is not operational right now, I don't think because 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:14.360 of the water levels. So I'm gonna take buy you 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:19.480 Saint John and then do do the oldest portage in 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:25.080 in in America and and actually walk walk my boat 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.080 through to the other side so that I can get 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:29.680 into the Inner Coastal Waterway. 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.000 Well, that's not an easy feed either, walk in your 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.400 kayak because you've got all that equipment on it. 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.760 Well, I've got I've got a set of wheels that 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.440 I can put in the mid to back end of 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.720 the kayak and pick it up and walk with it. 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:49.440 That's that's amazing. So from there you get on, you 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.680 get on the Inner Coastal and you're going through Alabama 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.160 and you go all the way into Florida. Right. 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.040 Uh, yes, I will be in Florida all winter long. 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.360 Right, Well, that makes sense. You don't want to. You 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.840 don't want to. You don't want to be kayaking up 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.080 the Eastern Seaboard in the middle of winter. 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:15.160 No, No, it's not very long. They're from New Orleans 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:22.320 to the Panhandle of Florida. It's not a vast great distance. 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:26.360 It's uh, you go to Mississippi for a little bit, 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.080 in Alabama for a little bit, and then you're in 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:34.719 the the uh or you're in the panhandle of Florida. 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.440 It's gonna get cold on me. I already know it. 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:42.040 I've got the year to be able to handle that chill. Uh. 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:47.000 But yeah, pretty much. So keep on moving east and 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:49.520 then go south around the tip of Florida this winter. 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.200 Oh wow, so you're going You're going all the way 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:58.240 down to like get around around Miami and then back 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:04.720 up the Florida coast. Yeah, that's absolutely amazing. 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:07.840 I don't I don't know a lot of people that 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:09.240 paddle that whole state. 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:10.040 Uh. 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:13.120 There's like a Facebook group I believe that that has 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:17.760 a bunch of paddlers that do, particularly what I'm doing. 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.080 A lot of the great Loopers will cut through Lake Okatobe. 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:25.720 I'm gonna skip that and just add a couple hundred 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:27.359 more miles and go around. 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:28.000 The tip of the state. 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:33.800 Well, you said that you were you were streaming a 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:38.600 lot of this. Where where can people find that? Joseph Solomon, Uh. 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:42.800 If you look me up, Joseph Solomon with the Cincinnati 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:46.399 behind it, it'll all pop up. If you look up 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:50.280 just Joseph Solomon, you won't find me because there's an 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.800 artist that's got the same last name, but it's not me. 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.800 Joseph Joseph Solomon, Cincinnati. 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:01.480 Then you're gonna find me s O. L O MO 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:06.760 N Solomon, corect And make sure you put the Cincinnati 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.560 behind and you can catch some of Joseph's adventures as 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:14.680 he continues to kayak paddle the Great American Loop from 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:21.240 Cincinnati prayerfully back to back to Cincinnati. Joseph, thank you 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.760 for taking time and for a dodging death and danger 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.960 talking to me while you're out on the river. I 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:30.880 I appreciate your time, and let's make plans to check 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:31.720 back in soon. 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:35.240 Okay, Yeah, check out with me about that bootand too. 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:37.679 I'll be I'm about a week out and I'll be 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:38.520 carrying it. 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:40.440 Back with me, all right, you got it? 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:43.440 All right? Well, have a good day. 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:48.360 Hey you too. Kayaking for a Cause dot com If 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:51.000 you'd like to contribute to his spam and my boot 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:57.920 ant fund, it's the nightcap and we roll on in minutes. Yep, 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:02.160 it's the Nightcap on this on Monday night, October twenty seventh, 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:06.560 twenty twenty five, Gary Jeffers. We continue this evening our 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:12.880 next guest, most notably was a speech writer from Margaret Thatcher, 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:18.600 the great British Prime Minister, who was a beacon of 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:24.040 freedom in the world and in a country that has 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:29.320 obviously had their political issues ever since Margaret Thatcher left 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:34.119 the stage for a number of reasons. But he is 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:39.360 a geopolitical expert, and he is our geopolitical expert in 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:44.080 this segment. Would you please welcome Jeff Gilson, Jeff, good evening. 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:44.560 How are you. 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:47.920 I'm fine, Thank you guy for having me. Happy to 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:48.280 be here. 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.480 You know, before we get into the meat and bones 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:56.120 of what is going on currently on the political stage, 0:20:56.200 --> 0:21:00.399 I did want to ask you from historical perspective, because 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:06.520 I was alive and fairly political aware in my twenties 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:10.960 of the great Margaret Thatcher, the woman some named the 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:15.760 Iron Lady. I know that she was good good friends 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:19.720 with President Ronald Reagan, whom I had the pleasure of 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:25.119 voting for twice early on in life. What was it 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:30.560 like and what was your interaction like with the Prime 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.520 Minister when you were writing speeches for her and working 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:33.920 with her? 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.000 Well, I helped to write speeches for her early on 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:40.920 in her career in the mid seventies, when she was 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:45.000 first running for the leadership of the Conservative Party. And 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:48.359 the thing that it's very difficult to understand at this 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:52.960 passage of time, almost fifty years ago, is that when 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.639 she ran for the leadership of the Conservative Party in 0:21:55.760 --> 0:22:00.960 nineteen seventy five, she was a rank outsider. She was 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:04.359 Susan by no means the natural next leader of the 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:08.720 Conservative Party, so she didn't have all that many connections 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:11.720 within the main establishment of the party and had to 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:16.200 have a platform outside of the party mainstream in order 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:19.159 to launch her being for the leadership. And that's the 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.840 association I hang with her in those early days, helping 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:24.720 to write speeches for her through a group called the 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:30.080 Selstone Group. She was at first actually kind of nervous 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:35.040 about power and grew into the role very considerably during 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:37.840 the eighties. As a matter of trivia, one of the 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:40.439 things based people don't realize is how small she was. 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:43.679 She was only five foot fall and that was the 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:47.840 first thing. But she exuded power wherever she went, and 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:50.560 this is one of the reasons she still as stride 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:53.280 Great Britain in the eighties was that most of the 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:56.840 private school educated men in her cabinet simply could not 0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:59.399 or would not stand up to her. One of the 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.639 things I learned personally in an interaction with her is 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:07.000 that she really appreciated people who challenged her, and that 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.560 was that was probably the most important thing. She rode roughshod. 0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.679 She was a strong leader, but she really really enjoyed 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:16.359 a good challenge, and some of the most some of 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:19.639 my greatest friendships within her cabinet were both people she 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:22.840 did not agree with politically because they had the chaspa 0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:24.200 to challenge her. 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:28.760 Huh, well, that's amazing that you mentioned she was only 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:34.000 five feet tall. In no way did she ever appear 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:38.080 that diminutive if you saw her speaking as Prime Minister 0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:42.119 of Great Britain in the eighties. She had such a 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:46.200 towering personality that it more than made up for her 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:55.720 for her lack of vertical prowess. So that being said, 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.200 and you said she was kind of an outsider outside 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:02.160 of the Conservative Party, would you would you relate President 0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:04.520 Trump the same way in twenty fifteen when he came 0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:05.480 down the escalator. 0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:09.560 Yes, I mean it's very interesting. The other thing about 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:15.199 Margaret Thatcher is that although she went to Oxford, she 0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:18.480 was man of Cambridge where were the other Oxford Cambridge. 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:22.359 She was not from an upper class background. Her father 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:26.480 was a grocer in East in eastern England. She came 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:29.320 from a very simple background and worked her way up 0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:34.639 to the top. Trump didn't exactly come from a poor ground, 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:37.240 but he was not a natural politician. And I think 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:40.679 that Margaret Thatcher would see a lot of commonality in 0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:44.959 Donald Trump and absolutely compared it to his inter relations 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:47.679 with some of the world's leaders at the moment. She 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:51.720 would find him interesting, but she wouldn't break down. She 0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:54.600 would she would have what we call frank and honest 0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:57.680 conversations with him. She was a firecracker, but she would 0:24:57.680 --> 0:24:59.960 find a lot of common ground with Donald Trump. 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:03.680 It was amazing. And you talk about Donald Trump's relationship 0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:07.960 with the other leaders around the world and how important 0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:11.120 that has been, especially here in the second Trump term, 0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:17.520 And what did you find most I don't know if 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:22.440 genius is the word, but what was the most important 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:26.560 part of President Trump putting together this Middle East peace deal? 0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:30.520 As he did it literally piece by piece, country by country, 0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:33.480 getting other countries on board, say, for example, for the 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:38.600 strikes on Iran to isolate Iran and then finally set 0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:43.959 up this ceasefire, this tenuous ceasefire between Hamas and Israel. 0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:48.879 Well, this again is an interesting parallel between Margaret Thatcher 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:52.680 and Donald Trump, because Margaret Thatcher in nineteen seventy five 0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:56.399 was not at the center of the Conservative Party and 0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:59.679 was seen as an outsider. She tried very hard in 0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:05.320 her administration to have a broad based cabinet with points 0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:08.200 to view for more parts of the party, and it 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:12.359 wasn't a disaster, but it wasn't an overriding success. In 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:15.760 her second administration, starting in nineteen eighty three, she said 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:18.240 enough of that. I want around me people who agree 0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:20.840 with me, people I can trust to you not to 0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:23.440 goof off when I leave the room. And it was 0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:26.639 very different. Same thing with Trump. Trump's first term, he 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:30.160 tried really hard, as an outsider, as a non politician, 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:33.439 to listen to those people whispering to him that he 0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:36.000 really needed a broad based government. 0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:36.639 And it was a disaster. 0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:40.359 And what he achieved wasn't a disaster, but it was 0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:43.280 very difficult to achieve what he achieved with the economy 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:46.400 and for example, with the Abraham Accords. Second time around, 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:48.800 he's not done that. He's got people around him who 0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:51.840 are loyal, people who understands, people who are on the 0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:54.920 same page. And the most important thing is that he 0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:58.159 found his footing in dealing with foreign affairs. What he 0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:01.520 has always been interesting, what he is about, first and foremost, 0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:04.879 he's not being a politician, but as being a deal maker. 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:08.520 He's not a diplomat, he's not a politician. He's not 0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:12.480 interested in waiving social justice and human rights. What he's 0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:16.919 interested in is putting America first and doing deals around 0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:21.080 the world, business deals that are good for America. And 0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:24.560 that's been his approach to Ukraine and Gaza. He stands 0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:27.280 there and says, I do not understand the history of 0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:30.000 these fights. I don't want to understand how it goes 0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:33.000 back hundreds of years. There is no reason to be fighting, 0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:37.200 and everybody is losing out on great business opportunities, which 0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:40.200 are what help people. At the end of the day, 0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:43.520 I want American business back in Moscow. I want the 0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:44.920 Russian people to benefit. 0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:46.000 I want. 0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:50.440 American business benefiting in Ukraine, and I want American business 0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:55.520 benefiting a united Middle East economic community, which should include 0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.560 the Palistine Aribs. That's not going to happen with the fighting. 0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:00.800 The first thing we need to do is stopped the fighting. 0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:04.720 And what he has employed in both Ukraine and Gaza 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:10.320 is fell making tactics where basically you ask two questions, 0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:13.520 what do you want what do you want to avoid? Well, 0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:14.280 what about history? 0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:16.520 I don't care about history? What do you want? 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:19.040 And what do you want to avoid? And he uses 0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:24.240 three things, leverage, threat, and public performance. And he tried 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:27.680 it out first of all in Ukraine with the anchorage 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:32.439 meeting with Putin and Zolenski meeting with him later and 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:35.439 got them to accept they were not each of them 0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:38.360 going to get everything that they wanted. Then he left 0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:40.840 the room and the children started goofing off, and he 0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:43.400 went off to deal with Gaza. In Gaza, he learned 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.760 his lesson and he made absolutely certain that he would 0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:50.360 stop the fighting with phases with what do you want? 0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:51.760 What do you want to avoid? 0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:54.280 But then he made sure he had a big public 0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:59.040 performance in Charmel. Schek invited Europeans, invited all of the 0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:01.840 air donations and say you are invested in this as 0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.800 much as I am, so no goofing off. Now he's 0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:08.240 gone back to Ukraine and he's employing the same tactics. 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:12.480 And when Selensky went to the meeting about a week 0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:13.840 ago in the White House. 0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:15.720 Everyone was saying, well, he's going to get. 0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:18.000 Tomahawk missiles, and I was one of the few people 0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:21.000 that said, no, he's not. This is a come to 0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:24.200 Jesus moment for Zelensky when Trump is going to turn 0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:26.160 around and say I cut my eye off, took my 0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:29.160 eye off the board, and trusted you and Putin to 0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:31.960 sort out the details of what we'd agreed, and you 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:35.040 Zelensky went running around Europe trying to back out of 0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:38.240 the deal, and Putin tried to get more land. That's 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:41.600 going to stop. No, you're not getting Tomahawk crew's missiles 0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:45.440 because it will escalate and you need to accept what 0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:47.640 we have on the ground is what is going to happen. 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:51.000 So the genius, if you like that he brought to 0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:55.240 the deal making in Ukraine and Gaza is this is 0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:58.000 a business deal. It's not a peace deal or a 0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:01.760 diplomatic agreement. It's a business steel and that's why it's working. 0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:09.160 Jeff Gilson, can you imagine someday, say ten years from now, 0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:17.760 if that coastline in Gaza is really the beautiful, sparkling 0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:22.360 jewel of the Middle East. Because President Trump was able 0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:26.200 to bring that piece through business and through common sense 0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:29.360 with all these other Middle Eastern countries. He went to UAE, 0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:32.640 went to Cutter, he went to Saudi Arabia, he went 0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:36.520 to all of the other players in this area, all 0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:41.560 the other neighbors of Israel, and got their acquiescence and saying, yes, 0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:47.760 we want, we want this pro business model of free 0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:52.280 trade and of peace without all the bloodshed, because it 0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:57.320 makes the most economic sense for everyone involved, including the Palestinians. 0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:01.120 But can you imagine that day when there are just 0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:04.760 beautiful hotels and resorts. Do you think that will ever 0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:06.600 happen in the Gaza strip. 0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:09.600 That's only exactly how it will happen. 0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:14.200 But although that chunter is very, very business and that's 0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:16.400 what he wants to do, he's not a man without 0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:20.120 a heart. Anybody who's seen him interact personally with people 0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:22.479 knows that he's not without a heart. What he's not 0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:24.640 prepared to put him I hope I can use initials 0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:26.400 BS on your show. 0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:28.640 He's not prepared to put up with BS. 0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:32.120 And he says that to everyone, whoever they are. That's 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:35.240 why he had net An Yahu in the White House 0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:38.840 personally apologizing to Qatar. As he sat he said, no, 0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:40.880 you're going to make that tin of a call right now, 0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:44.479 right now, while I'm sitting here, I'm putting you in 0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:47.480 your place. I think that he is aiming for a 0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:51.680 situation where the Palestinian Arab problem is out of the way, 0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:54.080 but not Palestinian Arabs. 0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:56.120 He is well aware that. 0:31:56.800 --> 0:32:01.480 Whether through their poor leadership or whatever, the party that's 0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:03.760 come off the worst in all this are the ordinary 0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:07.360 Palestinian Arab people. And what I think he really wants 0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:10.520 to see happen is the fighting stop and the land 0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:14.800 of Gaza made better for the Palestinian Arab people. And 0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:17.120 in our regard, I think he's going to turn around 0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:21.040 to Qatar and the Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia said 0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.560 when I've done the deal on the fighting stops, and 0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:28.040 I pushed back on Israel and we have no more 0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:30.840 fighting in that area. I am looking to you guys, 0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:34.520 with your trillions of dollars or sovereign world funds, to 0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:38.160 open up the purses and help these people rebuild. You 0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:40.200 don't get to turn your back on it is may 0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:42.720 not all you know, you'll get some hotels and so on, 0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:45.600 but you will also help these people rebuild their country. 0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:49.400 So I think we will see a rebirth of Gaza. 0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:52.560 But I think there will be some humanity there as 0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:54.920 well as business, because I think that's what Trump is 0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:55.360 looking for. 0:32:55.800 --> 0:33:01.200 Oh absolutely, you know, arising a rising tide sol boats Jeff. 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:04.240 And yes, if he can convince these people that that. 0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:07.800 And by the way, BS, you are more economical with 0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:12.080 words than I do. I am because of FCC rules, 0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:18.080 I always say male bovine fecal samples, but BBS is 0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:23.480 much more succinct. You're right. Also, I wanted to well, 0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:26.160 just among the backdrop of what we're talking about in 0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:29.080 the leadership that President Trump has shown on the world 0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:33.960 stage in these matters, do you find it ironic that, 0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:37.320 at the same time President Trump not only is clearly 0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:39.680 the leader of the Republican party in this country, but 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:43.400 the leader of the free world, the Democrats are struggling 0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:47.040 to find a leader for their party at all, and 0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:50.280 they're just kind of listless and without direction. 0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:56.440 Yes, I'll be honest with you. By nature, I would 0:33:56.440 --> 0:34:00.680 describe myself as a Democrat, but by Republican frame. Laugh 0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:05.160 and saying not really. What has happened is in the 0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:09.280 last thirty years, the Democrats have very considerably lost their way. 0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:12.279 If you look at the Democrat Party now, this is 0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:16.320 not the Democrat Party of Jack Kennedy or even Bobby 0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:19.160 Kennedy or even Bobby Kennedy Jr. It is just not 0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:23.040 the same Democrat Party. It has lost its way. It 0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:27.400 no longer works and acts for working people. MAGA is 0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:29.759 more for working people than the Democrats. 0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:31.040 They've lost a lot. 0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:35.200 Of time and effort in social engineering fantasy, and it 0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:37.640 has put off a lot of people like me and 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:41.760 people like me and actually a little cast a drift. 0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:44.080 We are much more likely to look out at the 0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.879 world and be honest about what we see. I don't 0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:49.520 agree with everything Trump does, but there's an awful lot 0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:51.400 more for the disagreement. 0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:51.880 About the Democrats. 0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:54.520 The Democrat Party at the moment is a party that 0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:57.640 is lost. And it doesn't surprise me that it cannot 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:01.640 find a unified message or a to unite behind because 0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:08.280 it's totally split. I think the twenty eight Democratic primary 0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:11.040 race is going to be a blood first. 0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:16.640 Oh, no question about that. And my my whole question, 0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:23.080 Jeff Gilson is uh, does a common sense Democrat, say 0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:27.239 someone like in your image of what a Democrat is 0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:31.760 or used to be, like a John Fetterman. Does he somehow? 0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:37.000 Does he somehow rise above the growing Marxist move within 0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:38.080 the Democrat Party. 0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:45.040 It's hard to say. The Democrat Party in its primary 0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:50.680 stages the activists has always been somewhat left wing. It's 0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:54.920 kind of surprising that Biden managed to rise. And Biden 0:35:55.000 --> 0:36:00.400 isn't Biden wasn't a rabid left winger. It's kind of 0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:05.040 surprisingly erose Obama the saying sometimes the Democrat Party will 0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:08.960 get a hold of itself and try and bring a 0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:13.359 centrist type leader to the foe. I think those days 0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:19.680 are gone. I read an eclectic number of media outlets 0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:22.680 and get subscriptions and so on and everything that I'm 0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:28.759 hearing from internally within the Democratic activist basis, their teeth 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:32.000 are set, and they really want to see somebody like 0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:37.680 a Newsome, even AOC, become the Democratic presidential candidate in 0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:38.879 twenty twenty eight. 0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:45.239 Newsom has got some definite problems with authenticity, and we 0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:48.120 just do as I say, not as I do, kind 0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:52.160 of things that the voters hopefully will remember when they 0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:55.839 go and cast their ballots. If say, Agavin Newsom is 0:36:56.480 --> 0:37:01.800 on that ballot or in a primary. I just there's 0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:06.200 just a lack of real to what's going on right 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:10.000 now within the Democrat Party, whether it's the Marxist left wing. 0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:14.360 Is Aron Mondani pie in the sky, you know, taking 0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:18.959 over the means of production and Marxism and AOC who 0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:26.080 really it strikes me as odd that she actually graduated 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:30.040 from anywhere when I hear her speak. And Gavin Newsom, 0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:35.560 the famous French laundryman, who's you know, out out and about. 0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:38.040 When he's telling people to stay cloistered in their homes 0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:41.719 and wear masks. You know, people are not going to 0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:42.200 forget that. 0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:44.200 I hope no. 0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:48.200 I mean I some things are easy, Gary, something's aren't. 0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:51.600 Let's take the easy things. 0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:56.080 Could I vote for jdvanswer twenty eight Yes. Could I 0:37:56.160 --> 0:38:00.440 vote AOC? Not a chance? Would I vote ever? Knew 0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:06.480 some not a chance? People who describe themselves as democratic socialists. 0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:11.880 I joke about this in some ways. It's probably a 0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:14.680 bad joke, but I joke about it anyway. I said, 0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:18.200 putting words in front of the words socialism does not 0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:22.840 qualify it. If you are a socialist you're a socialist, 0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:27.040 then you're a democratic socialist. Doesn't qualify Go and read 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:31.520 the Democratic Charter. I did because I did my homework, 0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:35.320 and you're absolutely right, right into the means of production, 0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:38.839 the green, the green, the green, the New Green Deal 0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:42.400 and everyone why you know it's it's wearing our hearts sleeves. 0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:46.320 We like fairly teddy bears. We want to preserve the environment. 0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:48.560 I said, go in and read it. Read the last 0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:51.520 two clauses. It's got nothing to do with fuzzy wuzzy 0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:56.320 save the environment. It talks about community ownership of the 0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:59.560 means of production in order to save the environment. 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:00.800 Was uppish. 0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:04.360 I grew up in Great Britain, I mean, your listeners 0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:07.080 right now, Army attaction, American citizen, but I was born 0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:09.600 and raised born in the United States Air Force base 0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:12.880 in England and raised there. And in the nineteen seventies 0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:17.160 we had socialists in Great Britain and they almost destroyed 0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:20.279 the country and it took Margaret Thatcher to rescue it. 0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:22.759 Jeff Gilson, thank you so much for your time. Ours 0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:28.680 is sadly gone, but I appreciate it so much. As 0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:31.920 we get into another hour of the nightcap here on 0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:36.280 seven hundred WLW joining us now a first time guest 0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:39.840 of Mind, but he's been on the scene for literally 0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:43.520 decades now. He is the president of the David Horowitz 0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:48.240 Freedom Center, and he has a brand new book out 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:53.920 which is a collection of essays about the enduring spirit 0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:57.040 of America, our liberty, our land, our hopes, our memories, 0:39:57.080 --> 0:40:00.600 our faith, and the beauty of our culture that we 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:04.880 seek to restore. It's not all gone yet. It hasn't 0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:08.400 all been torn down like a Civil War statue somewhere 0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:12.279 in the mid South. That it is still there. The 0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:17.080 heartbeat of what this country is all about is still beating, 0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:20.520 many would say, and maybe our guest will say, it's 0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:25.439 been on life support for a time, but it's back 0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:28.839 and beating stronger than I believe it hasn't a long time. 0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:32.439 We'll get our guest reads. Michael Finch, Welcome to the show. 0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:32.880 How are you. 0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:36.640 I'm doing great, Grey, Thank you again for having me on. 0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:41.400 It's a real honor. Hello Cincinnati, and looking forward to 0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:45.200 talking about the book and this wonderful, incredible, beautiful country 0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:46.680 and culture and history that we have. 0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:50.040 How did you get associated originally with the David Horowitz 0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:52.360 Freedom Center, Michael tell me about. 0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:54.680 That they've been working. Yeah, I've been working. I had work. 0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:54.960 Of course. 0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:58.200 David just passed away earlier this year, right were said 0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:01.440 saying we miss him greatly. I started working for David 0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:03.600 almost twenty three years ago. I had been working for 0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:07.240 the Claremont Institute. Larry arn who now runs Hillsdale College, 0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:10.640 was the president of the Claremont Institute back then. I 0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:12.839 worked for Larry for a few years and he left 0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:16.719 for Hillsdale, and there's some changes, and I had the opportunity. 0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:20.080 I got interviewed by David twenty three years ago, and 0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:22.880 it was kind of love at first, I guess. I 0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:25.520 worked side by side with David for over twenty years, 0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:32.280 learned a lot, very interesting and challenging, and I'm very grateful. 0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:33.400 I had all those years with David. 0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:36.920 It was a remarkable experience, and we're keeping the mission 0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:40.800 keeping his legacy alive so into the next twenty years, 0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:43.120 I hope. But it was a great experience. 0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:46.799 I had the pleasure of interviewing mister Horowitz on numerous occasions, 0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:52.040 and the thing that challenged me as a talk show 0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:55.839 host was the demand never stopped talking, and it was 0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.040 really hard to it was really hard to get another 0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:02.400 question in edge waise you were talking to David Horowitz. 0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:06.560 But well, I never had the pleasure of interviewing him, 0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:08.399 but we spoke on the phone at least a couple 0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:10.200 of times a day, and they were usually kind of 0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:11.839 one way conversation. 0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:12.759 Yes, this is what we need to do. 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:17.480 And David was incredibly passionate, and he was a force. 0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:20.279 And he's left a huge vacuum obviously, but he had 0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:23.000 so much that he wanted to teach to us, to 0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:26.040 citizens about how dangerous the left is about politics and 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:29.200 life in general. That you know, sometimes you just sit 0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:31.920 and kind of listen. David would always get his point 0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:36.000 across very forcefully. Sometimes that's how passionate he was about 0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:37.239 defending America. 0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:39.760 What has called you? You think to spend your life 0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:44.160 working with these nonprofits and these conservative groups you mentioned 0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:47.879 the Claremont Institute now president of the David Horowitz Freedom Center. 0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:50.760 What motivates Michael Finch to do what he does? 0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:55.640 Well, No, I've been I've loved the history and America 0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:58.760 and politics. I loved it, you know, And unlike David, 0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:01.439 I was conservative at per so. I guess someone says, 0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:04.120 if you grow when you grow up, you're a liberal 0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:05.920 and then you become a conservative, or if you have 0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:09.000 a heart or something like that. Maybe I was heartless. 0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:11.640 I was a conservative from day one, but I had 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:15.040 a passion for America. And it sounds corny, but you know, 0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:17.080 wanting to make a difference. I always wanted to make 0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:19.319 a difference. And to be able to do this, I 0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:22.080 have to say, Gary, to be able to do this 0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:25.720 as a career, I'm incredibly blessed because I've spent pretty 0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:27.880 much my whole life in this kind of arena. I'm 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:30.919 over sixty years old, and you know, this is to say, 0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:32.920 this is a job to wake up every day and 0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:35.800 to do everything I can to help the Center, to 0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:38.040 help the different organizations I've worked for, and to be 0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:40.600 able to have the freedom to be able to write 0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:43.280 and speak and to say, you know, I think David 0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:46.640 made a huge difference. Obviously the Larry arn't in that 0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:49.120 group at the Claremont and made a huge difference. So 0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:51.080 to be able to just play a part in that, 0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:55.840 I'm incredibly blessed. So this is my career and I 0:43:55.840 --> 0:43:57.799 would feel, you know, I don't know how long you've 0:43:57.840 --> 0:44:00.239 been doing radio, but I would probably feel you feel 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.880 the same way to say, this is my job is 0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:05.680 to kind of talk about these issues and to have 0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:07.719 the freedom to say what you want to say, and 0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:11.080 people listen, and you have an impact on people's lives 0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:13.600 and talk radio and I'd like to think for my 0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:17.040 part that I've had an impact and kind of restoring 0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:20.480 the greatness of this country from all my years working 0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:21.279 for nonprofits. 0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:24.000 Yeah, twenty eight and a half years doing talk radio 0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:28.120 and about forty five in the business being on the air. 0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:30.719 So wonderful. Yeah, thank you for all you do. 0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:34.640 Really, And it's funny you say you were born a conservative. 0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:38.120 I think I was born with a microphone in front 0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:40.800 of my face. And from the time I was seven 0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:43.680 years old, I wanted to do this, and I got 0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:46.400 the chance at nineteen and I've just never stopped anyway, 0:44:46.440 --> 0:44:50.640 Michael Finch, let's talk a little bit about time to 0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:54.080 stand and I want to do some compare and contrast 0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:57.920 of what these essays illustrate about what America is and 0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:01.080 what we have to lose and what we should hold 0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:04.640 on to compared to what's going on in this country today. 0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:09.920 Let's say, let's say, how, for example, give me a 0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:14.719 clear distinction between a zoron Mom, Donnie and what you're 0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:17.360 write about in time to stand about what's important. 0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:21.520 Well, first, you know, look, I mean we're you know, 0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:24.520 we're We're a great republic. We have freedom, we have liberty, 0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:29.480 and that's what makes America unique, aspirational and special. Right, 0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:32.280 I mean, America I think stands out. It's a shining 0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:35.000 city on the hill. We have you know, the founders 0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:37.759 created an incredible government that has survived for a couple 0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:40.000 hundred years because. 0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:41.640 We have liberty. Right, we have liberty. 0:45:42.320 --> 0:45:45.319 We have So Mandani is he's first of all, he's 0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:47.239 I don't know if he calls uf a socialist or 0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:49.880 a communist. I'm not going to even split the difference. 0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:54.000 To me, he's a communist and he's a I don't know, 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:55.680 I don't know if he said that he believes in 0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:58.839 Shria law. He embraced the nine to eleven Imom who 0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:02.640 talked things that make Reverend Right look like a Love 0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:06.560 America preacher. So he's kind of in that arm. 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:07.440 David called it the. 0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:10.640 Unholy alliance of radical Islam and the radical left, and 0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:13.960 that is a force that we are fighting across the 0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:16.680 board in American around the world. And he kind of 0:46:16.719 --> 0:46:21.680 epitomizes both of those. He's certainly, you know, a socialist 0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:26.160 slash communist, whatever you want to call it economically, but 0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:30.160 he's also he's very He's made some very anti israel comments, 0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:34.719 anti Semitic comments, and you know, he embraces a philosophy 0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:38.920 that is, I think, the complete opposite of what America represents. 0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:41.239 That doesn't mean he doesn't have a right. I mean, 0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:43.480 we could argue that if he believes in Shria law, 0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:45.759 then how does he take an oath to defend the constitution. 0:46:45.960 --> 0:46:48.680 The two are incompatible. But he's got a right to 0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:51.600 run for office. And look, I mean, New York may 0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:54.360 get what they deserve if they vote for him. Unfortunately, 0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:56.920 New York is the financial capital of the country, perhaps 0:46:57.280 --> 0:47:00.239 financial capital of the world. So it's very dangerous. I 0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:03.960 think there's a huge, huge danger in him becoming mayor. 0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:07.440 But the country split. I mean, the radical left has 0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:10.080 completely taken over the Democrat Party. We see a lot 0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:13.480 of people of his philosophy in the Democrat Party and 0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:15.720 that's a danger to the country. 0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:18.000 We just go ahead. 0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:18.759 I'm sorry, Mike. 0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:23.400 I don't Michael, I don't see the division that keeps 0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:25.560 on being brought up on the media all the time 0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:29.600 when I'm out and about maybe it's maybe I'm just 0:47:29.680 --> 0:47:34.200 moving in my own little bubble. But among most people, 0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:40.040 the term common sense dictates, and most people are still 0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:45.720 attuned to living by the the tenets of common sense 0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:48.279 when it comes to a lot of these issues. And 0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:50.560 I just don't see the division in my day to 0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:53.879 day life. And I'm in different groups of people all 0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:54.360 the time. 0:47:55.600 --> 0:47:58.680 Well, you're right, I mean, if the look, I mean, 0:47:58.960 --> 0:48:01.840 Donald Trump won twice, arguably three times. But you know, 0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:04.920 we won't get into that conversation the majority of Americans. 0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:07.680 And you're in Ohio, which is a red state. But 0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:10.279 you know what is California thinking it's got a far 0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:14.440 left legislature. Gavin Newsom is actually moderate compared to the 0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:18.920 members of the legislature in Sacramento. So New York, I mean, 0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:20.360 we know where in New York. Look at the governor 0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:22.800 of New York just north of you, the governor of Michigan. 0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:27.359 Michigan's had some good governors. I'm originally from Chicago, Illinois, 0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:30.640 so Illinois politics. You know, it moved to California to 0:48:30.640 --> 0:48:33.200 actually probably get better politics. And it's a little prettier 0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:35.360 in the climate's better. But there are parts of the 0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:38.120 country that are following. And look at some of the 0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:43.040 cities Portland, Minneapolis, Chicago. I mean, these cities are falling apart. Now, 0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:46.200 not every city's falling apart, but cities that follow this 0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:51.640 ideology are collapsing. I don't get it either. I feel 0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:55.080 very strongly that there's a turn in this country. President 0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:57.520 Trump was reaching people that had been Democrats for their 0:48:57.520 --> 0:49:00.040 whole lives. It's changing, and I think he's had a 0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:03.719 huge impact. He certainly has transformed the Republican Party and 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:06.360 he's reaching a lot of the working class Democrats that 0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:09.440 are fed up with where the Democrat Party's going. So 0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:11.880 I feel pretty good about the restoration. I feel that 0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:15.720 America is becoming great again, and that means it's history 0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:18.080 and its culture are going to be embraced. So I 0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:21.239 feel optimistic about that. But look, this is a very 0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:25.359 radical and vocal minority that's had made huge inroads into 0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:29.040 parts of the country. So you know, look, Reagan said, 0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:33.319 we've got to fight every generation, and the seductive ideology 0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:35.840 the left, as David taught us over all these years, 0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:40.319 is incredibly seductive, and that's something that we're never going 0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:42.800 to be able to say we defeated the left because 0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:48.400 that the philosophy of Marxism, socialism, communism is incredibly powerful 0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:52.239 and it reaches people in ways that I can't understand 0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:56.359 or explain, but it's very powerful and it's there. I mean, 0:49:56.400 --> 0:49:59.560 it's a real danger to the country, even though I 0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:02.359 think you're right the majority of Americans are with us. 0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:04.800 In a Time to stand. You talk about the critical 0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:07.799 importance of restoring the greatness of American culture, and you've 0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:12.000 mentioned that, referenced that a couple of times here. What 0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:16.600 do you think is at the top of that pyramid 0:50:16.800 --> 0:50:21.320 of greatness of American culture that we really really need 0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:23.120 to focus on and bring back. 0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:26.440 Michael Well, I think you've kind of combined it with 0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:28.879 American history, and we've seen what the left has done 0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:32.080 in our education system and just tearing apart of American history. 0:50:32.880 --> 0:50:35.480 Now we teach the Howard Zen version of American history, 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:39.880 the sixteen nineteen project America is sexist, racist, that Christopher 0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:42.920 Columbus came to the New World simply to completely destroy 0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:46.440 the ecosystem and the environment. I mean, on and on 0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:49.759 and on, and we have to fight that because conservatives 0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:54.240 have seated that ground in the schools unfortunately. And the culture, 0:50:54.360 --> 0:50:57.040 it's the painting, it's the writing, it's the poetry, it's 0:50:57.080 --> 0:51:00.359 the architecture, it's you know, go to Columbus. The state 0:51:00.400 --> 0:51:03.920 capitals in this country built beautiful buildings, most of them 0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:07.120 in washing DC. The federal buildings that were built over 0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:10.640 one hundred years ago. We have an incredibly beautiful culture. 0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:14.400 The landscape paintings of the nineteenth century, it really points 0:51:14.440 --> 0:51:19.640 to the aspirational part of American history. Thomas Jefferson wanted 0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:24.080 federal buildings and government buildings to have that classical design 0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:26.680 from Greece and Rome, because he said, that's what's going 0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:30.560 to unite America as a new republic. It's a search 0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:34.319 for beauty, and American culture is incredibly beautiful. We had 0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:36.800 a golden age of that culture from the mid eighteen 0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:41.080 hundreds still about nineteen thirty and since then we've still there. 0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:43.520 But we've seen the degradation. We've seen that across the 0:51:43.560 --> 0:51:47.040 board with America right especially since the nineteen sixties. But 0:51:47.840 --> 0:51:50.760 we need to teach how wonderful in America is because 0:51:50.760 --> 0:51:53.920 the culture unites us and binds us. And I was 0:51:54.360 --> 0:51:55.759 and I don't want to keep going on on, but 0:51:56.080 --> 0:51:59.360 conservatives have done a great job at Hillsdale College and 0:51:59.400 --> 0:52:01.920 many of the the kind of think tanks and talking 0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:06.200 about the Federalist papers, the Constitution, the Declaration, the Gettysburg Address, 0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:09.600 all of that is what politically the political culture that 0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:12.239 binds us. But there's another part of the culture. I 0:52:12.280 --> 0:52:15.560 think that we need to focus on and educate. Most 0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:17.320 of the things that I write about in the book 0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:20.040 in terms of American culture are not things I learned 0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:22.640 in school, And like said, I'm in my sixties, so 0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:25.239 it's not like I went to school last decade. These 0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:27.520 are things that I've learned on my own. And I 0:52:27.560 --> 0:52:30.640 think it's important for the schools to not just teach 0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:34.440 about what's so stained and negative and horrible about American history, 0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:37.840 but what's beautiful, and it is beautiful more than just 0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:41.399 a political republic and all those wonderful things, we also 0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:42.600 have a beautiful culture. 0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:45.520 You're talking about the left's attacks on history talking to 0:52:45.560 --> 0:52:47.680 Michael Finch, the author of A Time to Stand In, 0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:51.800 the president of the David Horowitz Freedom Center on the Nightcap. Michael, 0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:54.560 you talk about the left's attacks on our history and 0:52:54.680 --> 0:53:00.759 culture when the statues started coming down, the monuments, and 0:53:01.000 --> 0:53:06.520 you saw even George Washington and Abraham Lincoln monuments and 0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:11.719 statues being desecrated or being torn down around the country. 0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:18.239 It reminded me of exactly what happened when Isis had 0:53:18.239 --> 0:53:20.680 a stronghold in the Middle East and they were taking 0:53:20.719 --> 0:53:23.520 down all these antiquities, and it reminded me of what 0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:28.280 Mao did in communists China when he tried to erase 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:31.680 all of the proud culture and history that had come 0:53:31.760 --> 0:53:36.080 before Mao. And this is what the left does everywhere 0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:38.279 it tries to get a foothold, is it not? 0:53:39.440 --> 0:53:39.920 Oh? 0:53:39.960 --> 0:53:45.080 Absolutely, I know some conservatives will disagreed with me on this. 0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:48.359 But you know, my family, my great great grandfather fought 0:53:48.680 --> 0:53:50.359 was Iowa, fought for the Union for. 0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:51.759 The entirety of the Civil War. 0:53:53.040 --> 0:53:56.040 But the Roberty Lee was a great American even before 0:53:56.080 --> 0:53:57.760 the Civil War. He was a hero in the Mexican 0:53:57.760 --> 0:54:00.719 American War. He was one of the great American in generals, 0:54:00.920 --> 0:54:03.000 and that's part of history. You may not like what 0:54:03.080 --> 0:54:05.280 he did, you may not like what he represented, fighting 0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:07.960 for the state of Virginia, fighting for you know, leading 0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:11.200 the charge for the Confederacy, but Roberty Lee is a 0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:13.920 very important American in our history. We need to teach 0:54:14.040 --> 0:54:16.319 about Robert E. Lee and what he represented, because you 0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:19.319 need to learn about all aspects of history. And I 0:54:19.360 --> 0:54:22.080 said very pointedly, if you try to take his statue down, 0:54:22.160 --> 0:54:25.279 or Stonewall Jackson, or who were Jefferson Davis or whoever else, 0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:28.560 they're going to go after Jefferson and Washington. And sure enough, 0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:31.840 in twenty twenty they're in the riot, the George Floyd riots. 0:54:32.000 --> 0:54:34.800 They even were trying to take down statues of Abraham Lincoln, 0:54:34.920 --> 0:54:38.000 of course, is the great emancipator. So you're right, it 0:54:38.120 --> 0:54:40.560 never ends. The left wants that in order to create 0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:44.000 this great new America utopia, you need to completely destroy 0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:48.960 and you, you know, perfectly pointed out what Mao did, 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:51.480 what Stalin and Lennon did. In order to create the 0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:54.080 new utopia, you have to eliminate all the history of 0:54:54.120 --> 0:54:57.960 the old whatever stands before it, you need to eliminate that. 0:54:58.160 --> 0:54:59.439 So the idea of. 0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:02.920 Just tearing part of American history and tearing down the statues, 0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:07.600 it's heart wrenching, it really is. And I'll defend whatever 0:55:07.640 --> 0:55:10.879 statues are up, that's part of American history. I don't 0:55:10.920 --> 0:55:12.920 think any of these statues should be taken off. You 0:55:12.920 --> 0:55:15.719 want to build new statues, that's great, But the old 0:55:15.760 --> 0:55:19.800 statues represent our history and it's something you know, whether 0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:22.239 it's a proud part of the proud history or part 0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:24.600 of the history we need to talk about or learn from. 0:55:25.440 --> 0:55:28.120 I think regardless of that, those statues need to stand. 0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:31.759 Well, if you act like it never happened, they never existed, 0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:35.680 then you don't learn anything exactly. 0:55:36.040 --> 0:55:37.120 That's exactly right. 0:55:37.160 --> 0:55:40.080 And why would we follow the example of Lenin Stalin 0:55:40.160 --> 0:55:42.520 And now you know, I don't know, but that's the left. 0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:44.879 That's what they represent, and they want to tear down 0:55:44.880 --> 0:55:48.880 our history. It didn't start in seventeen seventy six. Supposedly, 0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:52.520 it started in sixteen nineteen. And that's that. You know, 0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:55.200 you're just going to denigrate and put this huge stain 0:55:55.239 --> 0:55:57.040 on what is a wonderful history. 0:55:57.280 --> 0:55:59.600 Real quickly, in the last couple of minutes we got left, 0:56:00.000 --> 0:56:04.080 Michael Finch, give me example of one essay you're write 0:56:04.120 --> 0:56:06.080 in a time to stand that people. Give me a 0:56:06.080 --> 0:56:07.200 little tease here in. 0:56:07.120 --> 0:56:11.399 The book, Well, I wrote an essay about American architecture. 0:56:11.520 --> 0:56:13.759 Donald Trump in his first term right at the end 0:56:13.840 --> 0:56:16.719 of his first term, enacted in executive order saying that 0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:19.640 all buildings, federal buildings and new federal buildings needed to 0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:22.080 be built in the classical style, at least have some 0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:25.120 adhere instead of Greek and Roman classical style. He was 0:56:25.160 --> 0:56:27.960 mirroring what Jefferson did a couple hundred years ago. He 0:56:28.000 --> 0:56:31.000 immediately was attacked as a Nazi. I guess Hitler liked 0:56:31.239 --> 0:56:35.239 the parthonon in classical Everyone loves classical architecture. That's why 0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:38.240 it's classical architecture. But he was attacked as a Nazi 0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:43.560 and fascist fascist architecture. Joe Biden rescinded that executive order. 0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:45.920 I'm hoping he'll come back with it. We have a 0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:49.880 president who also attacked the Wocism and the Smithsonian and 0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:53.239 these other institutions and museums. We have a president that 0:56:53.360 --> 0:56:56.600 understands America's beautiful, that we have a beautiful culture, and 0:56:56.640 --> 0:57:00.520 that includes the art and the buildings that represent it. 0:57:00.520 --> 0:57:03.520 It's really important that we remember that and defend that 0:57:03.640 --> 0:57:05.760 and restore that greatness of American culture. 0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:09.760 A Time to Stand, a new book by Michael Finch, 0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:12.560 who was the president of the David Horowitz Freedom Center 0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:16.520 our guest tonight. I can't thank you enough for your time, Mike. 0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:19.880 I can't think of a better way that I could 0:57:19.920 --> 0:57:22.720 have filled it. So it's a pleasure. 0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:23.720 Thank you so much. 0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:25.200 No, this was a real honor. 0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:26.320 I'm very grateful. Thank you. 0:57:26.800 --> 0:57:29.320 Great day and great success with the book. It's available 0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:30.000 now right. 0:57:30.840 --> 0:57:33.919 Yes, it is on Amazon or front pagemag dot com, 0:57:33.920 --> 0:57:36.360 which is the Center's website at our bookstore, but you 0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:38.200 can go to Amazon or Barnes and Nobles any of 0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:39.560 the other websites in order it. 0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:40.080 Thank you. 0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:43.600 Please continue the great work with the David Horowitz Freedom Center, Michael. 0:57:43.760 --> 0:57:45.680 Thanks, will do I appreciate that. Thank you. 0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:49.800 You got it. Joshua Philip from the Epic Times. We'll 0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:52.760 be hanging around with us for a little while after 0:57:52.800 --> 0:57:56.320 the next news break, and this is the nightcap on 0:57:56.440 --> 0:58:03.080 seven hundred WLW. Our next guest this evening is a 0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:07.240 senior investigative reporter, coast of host of Crossroads at the 0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:12.720 Epoch Times, an award winning journalist, documentary filmmaker. And we're 0:58:12.720 --> 0:58:14.400 going to get into some of those a little bit, 0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:17.840 even though it's past tense along with what's going on today. 0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:22.920 But for the sake of just getting it started. Joshua Philip, 0:58:23.040 --> 0:58:23.880 Welcome to the show. 0:58:23.960 --> 0:58:27.880 How are you hey, My pleasure being here, And yeah, 0:58:28.200 --> 0:58:31.120 you know, interesting times, but not bad as a journalist, 0:58:31.120 --> 0:58:32.560 I guess right, Yeah. 0:58:32.600 --> 0:58:37.320 What's what's the old curse? May you live in interesting times? 0:58:38.120 --> 0:58:42.000 What killed me? We're living what killed. 0:58:41.760 --> 0:58:48.600 Me during during COVID and the ensuing riots during the 0:58:48.640 --> 0:58:52.320 Summer of Hate in twenty twenty. And I remember being 0:58:52.360 --> 0:58:55.120 on the radio and I heard all these ads and 0:58:55.200 --> 0:59:01.280 they'd start with during these uncertain times, during these during 0:59:01.320 --> 0:59:05.160 these interesting times, during you know, it was like has 0:59:05.200 --> 0:59:08.880 any time in the history of mankind been certain about? 0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:09.280 What was? 0:59:09.560 --> 0:59:10.760 That was my first question. 0:59:11.080 --> 0:59:12.760 A good point, good, good point. 0:59:13.280 --> 0:59:16.760 And my second question was I'd rather not be so 0:59:16.880 --> 0:59:19.360 interesting a lot of the time. 0:59:20.640 --> 0:59:24.200 Well, well, you know, the COVID era and while we 0:59:24.200 --> 0:59:26.720 were locked out in our houses because we're afraid of 0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:29.120 getting the virus and you were allowed to go protest, 0:59:30.040 --> 0:59:32.680 that was quite interesting. I'd say that. I'd say that 0:59:32.800 --> 0:59:36.800 was quite interesting because you know, the messaging was, you know, 0:59:36.840 --> 0:59:38.880 it's too dangerous to go outside. COVID is going to 0:59:39.000 --> 0:59:42.320 kill you, but it won't touch you if you're protesting 0:59:42.360 --> 0:59:43.600 and burning down your city. 0:59:43.720 --> 0:59:50.280 So yeah, go figure, right, Yeah, the strip bars were open, 0:59:51.880 --> 0:59:55.720 and hey, mom and pop grocery stores are shuttered. 0:59:57.400 --> 0:59:57.800 All of that. 0:59:58.400 --> 1:00:00.560 Yeah, well, you know, COVID it was very. 1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:04.040 Selective, you know, as we know, right, sure, sure, and 1:00:04.080 --> 1:00:08.960 then we found out as I suspected from the very beginning, 1:00:09.080 --> 1:00:11.200 Joshua and I said this on the air at the time. 1:00:11.240 --> 1:00:17.760 I was one of the loudest dissenting voices in April 1:00:17.800 --> 1:00:22.040 and May of twenty twenty, calling this stuff out as 1:00:22.080 --> 1:00:26.280 it was happening right in front of me. I'll tell 1:00:26.280 --> 1:00:30.840 your quick story and then we'll get onto the topics. 1:00:31.440 --> 1:00:36.680 So in April of twenty twenty, when we were told 1:00:36.800 --> 1:00:39.760 that we had, you know, fifteen days to stop the spread, 1:00:39.800 --> 1:00:43.280 slow the spread or whatever, and they were closing down 1:00:43.680 --> 1:00:47.440 businesses as being non essential, and then big box stores 1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:51.440 were still essential, but the mom and pops weren't. I 1:00:51.520 --> 1:00:57.760 got a card in the from the radio station from 1:00:57.800 --> 1:01:02.360 two federal agencies I'd never heard of before, telling me 1:01:03.040 --> 1:01:06.840 that I had special permission to travel on the interstate 1:01:06.880 --> 1:01:12.240 as emergency broadcast personnel through May thirty first, twenty twenty. 1:01:12.320 --> 1:01:15.600 So when they were saying in March and April, we're 1:01:15.600 --> 1:01:18.120 going to take, you know, a week or two weeks 1:01:18.160 --> 1:01:20.480 to slow the spread, and then we'll get back to normal. 1:01:20.800 --> 1:01:23.320 I knew they were full of it then, because they 1:01:23.400 --> 1:01:26.320 just issued me a card that said I was good 1:01:26.360 --> 1:01:29.320 till May thirty first, which meant that I could travel 1:01:29.360 --> 1:01:32.880 and very few other people were supposed to. My wife 1:01:32.880 --> 1:01:35.080 and I traveled all the time. So that was just 1:01:35.160 --> 1:01:38.920 my personal aside on how real all of that was. 1:01:39.040 --> 1:01:42.520 But I was very vocal at the time, and I 1:01:42.600 --> 1:01:47.240 still am vocal, although most of the time I've had 1:01:47.320 --> 1:01:52.600 to resist the effort or the want to say. 1:01:52.480 --> 1:01:53.160 I was right. 1:01:53.360 --> 1:01:55.200 I was right about all of it. I was right 1:01:55.240 --> 1:01:57.720 about mask I was right about the six foot rule, 1:01:57.760 --> 1:02:00.080 I was right about you know anyway. 1:02:00.960 --> 1:02:03.200 No, no, you got to remind people sometimes, you know. 1:02:05.320 --> 1:02:05.480 Now. 1:02:05.920 --> 1:02:08.760 I remember, for me, you know, speaking about my work 1:02:09.880 --> 1:02:12.640 in the early days of the virus, I did I 1:02:12.640 --> 1:02:16.640 think the first major investigation into the virus origins. You know, 1:02:16.720 --> 1:02:19.440 I did a big documentary released within about maybe two 1:02:19.480 --> 1:02:22.440 months of the whole thing, and I mean it was 1:02:22.480 --> 1:02:25.960 shocking because it was all based on public reporting. We 1:02:26.080 --> 1:02:29.480 used documentation coming out from China. We used things that 1:02:29.520 --> 1:02:33.960 they later deleted. Everybody forgets now but do you remember 1:02:33.960 --> 1:02:37.960 they actually released the virus sequence in China, then they 1:02:38.040 --> 1:02:44.120 disappeared the researcher who did the virus and then every yeah, 1:02:44.240 --> 1:02:49.320 then every Western journal that published the virus sequence deleted it. 1:02:50.240 --> 1:02:52.160 If it was a. 1:02:51.520 --> 1:02:56.439 Serious pandemic, why in you know, why in anything, why 1:02:56.440 --> 1:02:59.760 would you delete evidence on the virus sequence to make 1:02:59.800 --> 1:03:03.560 it you can't research it. And so I remember reporting 1:03:03.600 --> 1:03:07.320 this stuff, and you know, I'm thinking, Okay, I'm contributing 1:03:07.320 --> 1:03:09.200 to the good of the world, and I'm showing probably 1:03:09.240 --> 1:03:12.520 where the virus came from. I'm showing information on what, 1:03:12.600 --> 1:03:16.440 you know, what the virus is based on scientific public reporting. 1:03:17.480 --> 1:03:21.400 I got censored, I got attacked, I got I got 1:03:21.480 --> 1:03:25.920 just about deplatformed. Facebook sent an alert to every person 1:03:25.920 --> 1:03:29.440 who shared my documentary telling telling them they shared false information. 1:03:30.000 --> 1:03:32.200 In terms of the person who's fact checked me actually 1:03:32.240 --> 1:03:36.320 worked at the Chinese virus they will want into the virology. 1:03:36.720 --> 1:03:38.960 And the basis of the fact check was they have 1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:41.760 very good security, and because they have good security, it's 1:03:41.800 --> 1:03:45.520 not possible that a virus outbreak like like this. 1:03:46.000 --> 1:03:46.880 It was it was a. 1:03:46.760 --> 1:03:49.560 Clown world and I was I mean, it's one thing 1:03:49.560 --> 1:03:53.040 when you see other people get canceled. When you experience it, 1:03:53.040 --> 1:03:55.240 it's because you know it's true or not. When you 1:03:55.320 --> 1:03:58.480 experienced it, it's such a surreal thing because you can 1:03:58.520 --> 1:04:03.920 see just how they lie. Frankly, it was really bizarre. 1:04:04.680 --> 1:04:06.720 I was. There was so much of that going on 1:04:06.840 --> 1:04:11.080 Joshua at the time in media and anybody in social media, 1:04:11.680 --> 1:04:16.840 anybody who was dissenting from the propaganda that was being 1:04:16.880 --> 1:04:21.480 put out, mostly by communist China and our government. I 1:04:21.800 --> 1:04:27.360 am still surprised that I never was told to lay back. 1:04:27.440 --> 1:04:30.280 I never was told to stop doing what I was 1:04:30.320 --> 1:04:32.240 doing on the air, and they didn't take me off 1:04:32.280 --> 1:04:35.600 the air. I don't know if it's because only five 1:04:35.640 --> 1:04:37.800 people were listening at the time I was on. I'm 1:04:37.840 --> 1:04:43.280 not sure, but I somehow survived that period of cancelation, 1:04:44.160 --> 1:04:50.840 and you know, the total isolation of people who just 1:04:50.880 --> 1:04:55.160 didn't go along with the approved narratives. So yeah, I 1:04:55.200 --> 1:04:59.200 feel very fortunate that I worked for people who felt 1:04:59.240 --> 1:05:03.240 like free speech was still important. The real story of 1:05:03.400 --> 1:05:05.840 January sixth is one of your documentaries. 1:05:07.360 --> 1:05:10.280 Oh yeah, that was another one that was quite quite 1:05:10.320 --> 1:05:10.880 the adventure. 1:05:10.960 --> 1:05:15.840 All right, So give me in a reader's digest condensed version. 1:05:15.840 --> 1:05:20.360 Nobody knows what those are anymore. The real story of 1:05:20.440 --> 1:05:23.480 January sixth, according to the work you did, Joshua Philip 1:05:23.800 --> 1:05:26.040 in that documentary back in twenty twenty two. 1:05:27.760 --> 1:05:31.200 So we did three parts with that. The first part 1:05:31.240 --> 1:05:35.680 was and was an investigation into security camera footage to 1:05:35.680 --> 1:05:39.240 break down the incidents that day, the timelines, and also 1:05:39.600 --> 1:05:42.200 the way that the whole story went down. And basically 1:05:42.280 --> 1:05:45.360 the first one we found that the public narrative was fake. 1:05:46.400 --> 1:05:49.520 Trump did not call for an insurrection. The real story 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:52.760 of it was that actually Trump had a scheduled speaking 1:05:52.800 --> 1:05:56.320 event at the Capitol Building. They had a platform set up, 1:05:56.320 --> 1:06:00.280 scheduled speakers, a permit for it. Trump had author the 1:06:00.320 --> 1:06:02.919 deployment of the National Guard, which was at the time 1:06:03.960 --> 1:06:06.400 for some reason, they were lying about that Trump authorized 1:06:06.440 --> 1:06:07.480 flue of the National Guard. 1:06:08.440 --> 1:06:09.240 It was denied. 1:06:09.600 --> 1:06:12.560 Notably, it was not accepted. And you know, I think 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:15.000 we'll maybe find out who's responsible for that. But Trump 1:06:15.040 --> 1:06:17.400 wanted Trump wanted national guard, Trump wanted riot. 1:06:17.400 --> 1:06:22.200 Please Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi is still saying that Trump 1:06:22.280 --> 1:06:25.680 denied the National Guard on January sixth. He's still saying 1:06:25.720 --> 1:06:27.960 that when she is the one of the prime players 1:06:28.360 --> 1:06:30.920 in making sure that that did not happen. 1:06:32.440 --> 1:06:35.280 Yeah, So the real story was they had all that. 1:06:36.680 --> 1:06:40.640 Trump wanted members of Congress to read the evidence of 1:06:40.720 --> 1:06:44.600 election fraud, and that was what he was actually going for. 1:06:44.680 --> 1:06:48.080 That was what his interest was. And so January sixth 1:06:48.080 --> 1:06:52.520 technically derailed that. The people who tore down the barricades, 1:06:52.520 --> 1:06:54.800 the people who tore down the no trespassing signs, the 1:06:54.800 --> 1:06:58.160 people who gained access to the building, and notably they 1:06:58.240 --> 1:07:00.600 signaled on the camera to people opened the door, and 1:07:00.640 --> 1:07:03.680 they opened the door. They have a huge magnetic door. 1:07:03.960 --> 1:07:06.360 You'd need like a like a you'd need like a 1:07:06.440 --> 1:07:07.960 missile to blow that thing open. 1:07:08.640 --> 1:07:09.760 They opened the door. 1:07:10.800 --> 1:07:13.640 That all happened while Trump was still speaking at the ellipse. 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:16.040 Those were not the people who are listening Trump speak 1:07:16.080 --> 1:07:17.880 who went and did that. That happened as he was 1:07:17.920 --> 1:07:22.320 speaking the other side too. No police officers were killed 1:07:22.320 --> 1:07:25.160 that day. The whole story about you know, the guy 1:07:25.360 --> 1:07:28.360 hit with a fire extinguisher and murdered, it was fake. 1:07:29.720 --> 1:07:33.000 Three people died that day. One was Ashley Babbitt, shot 1:07:33.000 --> 1:07:35.000 in the neck by a police officer as she was 1:07:35.480 --> 1:07:40.640 unarmed climbing through a window. The two other people, Roseanne Boyland. 1:07:40.840 --> 1:07:42.960 They said she died of a of a like of 1:07:43.080 --> 1:07:46.520 a of an overdose she was on like Riddlin. We 1:07:46.600 --> 1:07:49.880 have video of her trapped in a tunnel and her 1:07:50.080 --> 1:07:53.080 her limp body is being beaten by by one of 1:07:53.120 --> 1:07:56.200 the Capitol police officers and people and people are trying 1:07:56.200 --> 1:07:57.800 to pull their body out from under the crowd. She 1:07:57.880 --> 1:08:01.320 was trampled. The other individual died of heart complications. We 1:08:01.560 --> 1:08:05.160 have evidence that police are the ones who tear gas themselves, unfortunately, 1:08:05.880 --> 1:08:08.040 including a couple of really wild ones who are just 1:08:08.720 --> 1:08:12.640 literally grabbing stun grenades off the belts of their officers 1:08:12.680 --> 1:08:16.000 and grabbing tear gas you know, launchers out of the 1:08:16.000 --> 1:08:18.880 hands of officers and just launching the randomly into the crowd. 1:08:19.800 --> 1:08:23.599 Police firing down from above at the crowd people, Police 1:08:23.680 --> 1:08:26.679 hitting people in the head with their clubs in ways 1:08:26.680 --> 1:08:30.639 that are illegal because you can kill people. Just real 1:08:30.720 --> 1:08:34.559 flagrant violations of abuse and use of force. And also 1:08:34.640 --> 1:08:36.920 the fact that most of the injuries of the police 1:08:36.920 --> 1:08:39.400 were actually caused by them themselves because they tear gased 1:08:39.400 --> 1:08:42.000 themselves and they didn't have the equipment to deal with it. 1:08:42.040 --> 1:08:44.080 I mean, I'm not throwing them under the bus because 1:08:44.120 --> 1:08:46.439 they were they were thrown into a situation and situation 1:08:46.520 --> 1:08:49.280 they shouldn't have been in because they were not given 1:08:49.320 --> 1:08:53.120 the resources or the equipment to handle that situation. But 1:08:53.240 --> 1:08:55.519 you know, that was the real story. January six was 1:08:55.560 --> 1:08:57.599 basically the first one was the narrative you've been told 1:08:57.760 --> 1:09:01.200 is just plain wrong. And then from their epic times 1:09:01.240 --> 1:09:07.200 has actually given access to all their unreleased footage by Congress, 1:09:07.400 --> 1:09:09.519 and so we were able to have reporters go in 1:09:10.080 --> 1:09:12.920 view the footage. We were one of I think three 1:09:13.160 --> 1:09:15.960 news outlets that was actually given this access, and we 1:09:15.960 --> 1:09:19.160 were able to request clips, and we published a very 1:09:19.160 --> 1:09:22.479 in depth feature showing people all this unreleased footage and 1:09:23.040 --> 1:09:25.360 key parts of it that basically just debunked a lot 1:09:25.360 --> 1:09:28.000 of the big narrative on it. And you know, I'm 1:09:28.000 --> 1:09:29.960 not saying that I'm not saying that there were no 1:09:30.080 --> 1:09:33.639 incidents of violence against police. There were some people who, 1:09:33.880 --> 1:09:36.000 in my opinion, did believe it did belong in jail, 1:09:36.800 --> 1:09:40.559 but again, the overall picture and the overall narrative was 1:09:40.640 --> 1:09:44.040 just utterly fake. And on top of that too, you 1:09:44.120 --> 1:09:47.599 also had you also had people being denied exculpatory evidence 1:09:48.360 --> 1:09:51.760 to prove their innocence in court, which we had access to, 1:09:51.840 --> 1:09:53.879 and they were not even allowed to show the evidence. 1:09:54.120 --> 1:09:58.240 I've talked to many January sixth defendants in the past 1:09:58.800 --> 1:10:03.040 couple of years. Josh and Uh, one of the gentlemen 1:10:03.479 --> 1:10:07.920 who was in prison in the gulag for like over 1:10:08.000 --> 1:10:12.400 three years, was one of the well, was one of 1:10:12.400 --> 1:10:16.360 the guys who tried to pull the Capitol police off 1:10:16.400 --> 1:10:19.160 of Roslin who was being beaten to death in that tunnel. 1:10:20.080 --> 1:10:22.559 He tried, he tried to pull them off, and he 1:10:22.600 --> 1:10:27.160 got arrested for that and charged with the soul. It's amazing. 1:10:27.360 --> 1:10:29.040 Well, we had we had a clip. We had a 1:10:29.080 --> 1:10:33.240 clip where and you can see it. You can hear 1:10:33.280 --> 1:10:36.240 it in the audio. One of the protesters runs. 1:10:36.040 --> 1:10:37.040 Into a police officer. 1:10:37.120 --> 1:10:39.920 They go tumbling down, and you know, it looks like 1:10:39.960 --> 1:10:42.920 they run into each other the police that you can 1:10:43.000 --> 1:10:45.000 hear in the audio. The guy says, Oh, I'm so sorry, 1:10:45.040 --> 1:10:46.960 I'm so sorry. Let me let me help you up. 1:10:47.040 --> 1:10:49.799 I'm so sorry. Let's get up together, Let's get it together. 1:10:51.240 --> 1:10:55.360 When when they showed that video in court, they removed 1:10:55.439 --> 1:10:59.880 the audio and video, it looks like you run the 1:11:00.160 --> 1:11:04.160 police officer and tackles him, but they removed the audio 1:11:04.520 --> 1:11:08.559 to to in my opinion, falsify evidence to make it 1:11:08.600 --> 1:11:11.559 look like he was attacking the officer and that was 1:11:11.560 --> 1:11:13.679 though he was actually painted. And so why why would 1:11:13.680 --> 1:11:16.160 you why would you remove part of the evidence. Someone 1:11:16.200 --> 1:11:17.640 had to remove the audio to do that. 1:11:17.680 --> 1:11:18.519 Why would they do that? 1:11:19.080 --> 1:11:19.280 You know? 1:11:19.400 --> 1:11:21.519 And there was just a lot of weird things like 1:11:21.560 --> 1:11:24.439 that that that we did uncover during that reporting. 1:11:25.360 --> 1:11:31.799 UH, in your latest piece Crossroads Trump, is Trump preparing 1:11:31.840 --> 1:11:36.960 for a war against Venezuela and Maduro? What have what 1:11:37.080 --> 1:11:40.920 have you found in that reporting? 1:11:42.960 --> 1:11:45.200 So, in my opinion, a lot of the reporting on 1:11:45.520 --> 1:11:50.679 Venezuela is uh is media being dishonest. The real story 1:11:50.760 --> 1:11:54.760 is this Maduro and Lula. You know Maduro of course 1:11:54.760 --> 1:11:57.880 in Venezuela, Lula and Brazil. We're planning to launch a 1:11:57.920 --> 1:12:01.880 war against Guyana as of a few months ago, and 1:12:01.920 --> 1:12:06.000 so there was a war a doctor start in South America. 1:12:06.840 --> 1:12:09.360 And the bigger context of that is Guyana, a country 1:12:09.400 --> 1:12:11.880 just north of Venezuela. They discovered one of the largest 1:12:11.920 --> 1:12:15.800 oil reserves in the entire world a few years ago. 1:12:15.920 --> 1:12:18.600 And just being blunt, everybody. 1:12:18.120 --> 1:12:19.360 Wants it, Uh. 1:12:19.439 --> 1:12:22.720 The United States has legitimate legal operations, their eggs on 1:12:22.920 --> 1:12:25.200 Is is one of the companies involved in with you know, 1:12:25.240 --> 1:12:29.479 oil exploration and working with the government in Guyana. Maduro 1:12:29.560 --> 1:12:32.200 claims that he has historical ownership over that part of 1:12:32.240 --> 1:12:35.639 Guyana and he was going to annex it, and they were, 1:12:35.479 --> 1:12:38.840 They even passed in their in their court a law 1:12:38.880 --> 1:12:40.599 that would allow them to do it. So they were, 1:12:40.640 --> 1:12:42.639 they were, they were preparing for war. As a few 1:12:42.640 --> 1:12:43.120 months ago. 1:12:43.800 --> 1:12:44.800 China wants it. 1:12:45.880 --> 1:12:47.599 Russia of course wants it, and China has been doing 1:12:47.600 --> 1:12:50.120 a lot of black ship operations of trying to avoid 1:12:50.240 --> 1:12:54.719 US sanctions in that region. That that's the real story, 1:12:54.760 --> 1:12:59.920 I'd say so. Secretary of State Mark Rubia actually went 1:13:00.120 --> 1:13:02.519 down there just a few months ago too, and actually, 1:13:02.520 --> 1:13:05.840 Warren Maduro, if you try to do this, there will 1:13:05.880 --> 1:13:09.800 be consequences. In my opinion, the operations against the cartels 1:13:09.840 --> 1:13:12.280 and the operations possibly even top of Maduro are part 1:13:12.320 --> 1:13:15.360 of that. The other sides of the people that everyone's 1:13:15.439 --> 1:13:18.160 leading out though, like the mainstream media, they're like, oh, 1:13:18.240 --> 1:13:21.479 Trump's saying without evidence that Maduro is part of the cartels, 1:13:21.520 --> 1:13:24.920 the sons, Trump saying Maduro is tied with the trend 1:13:24.960 --> 1:13:29.919 de Arragua. Did everybody forget that that was a Biden policy. 1:13:32.160 --> 1:13:35.720 That was Biden, that was Joe Biden. The Biden administration 1:13:36.320 --> 1:13:40.519 declared publicly that Nicholas Maduro is the illegitimate leader, that 1:13:40.640 --> 1:13:45.040 the government in exile under Juan Guido is the legitimate 1:13:45.080 --> 1:13:49.040 government because Maduro rigged the election in twenty eighteen. That's 1:13:49.160 --> 1:13:51.360 Biden policy. This is not even Trump. 1:13:51.439 --> 1:13:52.680 This is Biden pulic. 1:13:53.360 --> 1:13:56.920 And the benefactor of a rigged American election is pointing 1:13:56.960 --> 1:14:02.360 fingers at someone else who was the benefactor election. The 1:14:02.439 --> 1:14:03.800 irony doesn't escape me. 1:14:03.880 --> 1:14:06.719 But yeah, yeah, go figure. 1:14:06.800 --> 1:14:06.960 Right. 1:14:08.680 --> 1:14:12.439 So that was a Biden policy. And so they're saying 1:14:12.520 --> 1:14:15.320 that Trump is saying, without evidence that Badua was the 1:14:15.360 --> 1:14:17.680 leader of the trend Aragua. He's not saying that. He's 1:14:17.680 --> 1:14:19.360 saying he's a leader of the Cartel of the Sons, 1:14:19.360 --> 1:14:22.080 and cartel of the son basically provides the drugs tea 1:14:22.080 --> 1:14:25.679 friend day Aragua. The boats they're saying are trendy Aragua. 1:14:26.080 --> 1:14:29.760 Then they're saying the boats are fishermen. You ever go 1:14:29.840 --> 1:14:33.120 fishing without a fishing pole and you paint your boat blue, 1:14:33.400 --> 1:14:36.160 so you blend in with the ocean and you don't 1:14:36.160 --> 1:14:39.439 have nets, but you're doing commercial fishing. Look, look, you know, 1:14:39.560 --> 1:14:42.720 I grew up partly in a fishing community. So my 1:14:42.800 --> 1:14:45.360 dad used to on a restaurant called Red's Lobster Doc 1:14:45.400 --> 1:14:47.840 in Point Pleasure in Beach, New Jersey, and we had 1:14:48.000 --> 1:14:49.599 we had we had a doc. I used to work 1:14:49.680 --> 1:14:55.080 the docks my my stepfather, my step grandfather was a 1:14:55.120 --> 1:14:58.599 monk fisherman, you know, deep sea fishing and lobster fishermen. 1:14:58.680 --> 1:15:01.280 My dadd's still in the off season. I grew up 1:15:01.280 --> 1:15:03.680 working the docks. I know what fishing boats look like. 1:15:04.640 --> 1:15:09.520 I've never seen fishing boat without fishing equipment. Okay, right, 1:15:10.200 --> 1:15:16.400 these things don't have nets, they don't they have I've 1:15:16.400 --> 1:15:19.439 never personally seen a fisherman shove a bunch of fish 1:15:19.479 --> 1:15:20.400 into a duffel bag. 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:21.160 That's that's new. 1:15:22.880 --> 1:15:28.040 If they're if they're fishing with fishing poles, I mean, okay, fine, 1:15:28.080 --> 1:15:30.400 Like I've gone commercial fish, I've gone commercial fishing. 1:15:30.439 --> 1:15:34.120 Maybe they're josh, maybe maybe they're Venezuelan noodlers. 1:15:35.439 --> 1:15:37.040 They're just think about that. 1:15:37.080 --> 1:15:39.559 Maybe they're noodling, you know that, might you might be 1:15:39.600 --> 1:15:43.679 onto something. They're Yeah, they're they're they're feeling the Deep 1:15:43.760 --> 1:15:46.720 South Deep South vibe. You know, they're just sticking their 1:15:46.720 --> 1:15:49.920 hands in the water hoping something bite. You know, maybe 1:15:49.920 --> 1:15:53.280 you're onto something. But but you know, the big tailsale 1:15:53.280 --> 1:15:55.960 sign aside from the fact that they don't have fishing 1:15:56.000 --> 1:15:59.519 nets or fishing poles and they're they're they have a 1:15:59.520 --> 1:16:02.960 bunch of full bags and barrels, which again, you're not 1:16:02.960 --> 1:16:04.800 going to catch enough fish to fill a barrel if 1:16:04.840 --> 1:16:07.080 you can see some fish and poles. Anyway, three guys, yet, 1:16:07.120 --> 1:16:10.960 come on, they paint their boats blue. They paint the 1:16:11.000 --> 1:16:13.920 tops blue. You know, a normal fishermen, you're gonna want 1:16:13.960 --> 1:16:16.920 a bright kind of like red or yellow or you know, 1:16:17.000 --> 1:16:19.599 something that if you get lost, you can be spotted. 1:16:20.400 --> 1:16:22.960 The only reason the reason you don't paint your boat 1:16:22.960 --> 1:16:25.240 blue is because people can't see you. So the only 1:16:25.280 --> 1:16:27.080 reason you do it is so people can't see you. 1:16:27.120 --> 1:16:29.599 So why they're painting the boat's blue, The simple answer, 1:16:29.720 --> 1:16:30.920 so people don't see them. 1:16:31.840 --> 1:16:32.599 The media is. 1:16:32.560 --> 1:16:37.680 Being so incredibly disingenuous with its reporting on this. I mean, 1:16:37.800 --> 1:16:39.559 maybe I should say it's shocking, but I don't think 1:16:39.600 --> 1:16:40.600 it's shocking anymore. 1:16:40.800 --> 1:16:44.680 Well, Joshua, I will tell you sadly, we're coming to 1:16:44.720 --> 1:16:48.960 the end of our time tonight. But what a wonderful conversation, 1:16:49.160 --> 1:16:53.920 what great revelations. And I encourage everyone if you're not 1:16:54.200 --> 1:16:58.400 already a subscriber. I am to the Epoch Times. I 1:16:58.439 --> 1:17:01.280 get the alerts every day my phone and it's just 1:17:01.439 --> 1:17:07.240 solid fifty to fifty reporting right down the line, without 1:17:07.360 --> 1:17:10.280 any of the male bovine fecal samples that are served 1:17:10.360 --> 1:17:12.960 up by a lot of the rest of the mainstream media. 1:17:13.560 --> 1:17:16.479 Joshua Philip, thank you so much for your time tonight. 1:17:17.760 --> 1:17:18.920 Hey, pleasure anytime. 1:17:18.960 --> 1:17:21.519 Thank you, all right, thank you very much. He's got 1:17:21.600 --> 1:17:25.160 more good stuff in the pipeline. Maybe we'll talk again soon, 1:17:25.240 --> 1:17:29.040 I hope. So it's the nightcap, and we ain't done yet. 1:17:29.240 --> 1:17:34.800 Brian Reisinger from the book Land Rich, Cash Poor on 1:17:34.880 --> 1:17:38.240 what China is trying to do and has been somewhat 1:17:38.280 --> 1:17:42.320 successful in doing to American farmers, and how President Trump 1:17:42.479 --> 1:17:45.080 is trying to stop that with the meeting with g 1:17:45.320 --> 1:17:51.200 this week and his continued trade dealing with Asia. It's 1:17:51.240 --> 1:17:56.800 the nightcap on seven hundred WLW. It is time to 1:17:57.160 --> 1:18:00.519 rise and shine even at this time. And I and 1:18:00.600 --> 1:18:03.680 I say rise and shine because we have Brian Risinger 1:18:04.560 --> 1:18:08.000 as in a farmer Rising and shining to talk to 1:18:08.080 --> 1:18:11.400 us this half hour. He's the author of land Rich Cash, 1:18:11.400 --> 1:18:13.720 for My Family's Hope, and The Untold History of the 1:18:13.760 --> 1:18:19.160 Disappearing American Farmer. A fourth generation farmer and comes from 1:18:20.240 --> 1:18:24.040 a farm family in Wisconsin. He served as an advisor 1:18:24.240 --> 1:18:29.320 top leaders, including Governor Scott Walker there in Wisconsin, US 1:18:29.400 --> 1:18:33.519 Senator Ron Johnson, currently the sitting senator in Wisconsin, and 1:18:33.680 --> 1:18:37.479 US Senator Lamar Alexander my old home state Tennessee, and 1:18:37.520 --> 1:18:40.640 other public officials, and he joins US now as an 1:18:40.680 --> 1:18:44.639 advisor to the Nightcap. Brian Risinger, welcome back. 1:18:45.840 --> 1:18:47.600 Hey, it's good to be with you. I appreciate you 1:18:47.600 --> 1:18:49.839 having me back on and I appreciate highlight these issues. 1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:57.000 Yeah. Number one on our dartboard here has to be 1:18:57.200 --> 1:19:00.200 the meeting that President Trump is getting ready to have 1:19:00.640 --> 1:19:05.280 with x in China and the meeting with the new 1:19:05.360 --> 1:19:10.120 Japanese Prime minister to talk tariffs and to make deals. 1:19:10.439 --> 1:19:15.439 And they both are heavily focused on the American farmer. 1:19:16.760 --> 1:19:22.439 And you know, people talking about the Trump tariffs, you say, 1:19:22.479 --> 1:19:25.080 they ignore the reason that they're necessary, and the main 1:19:25.160 --> 1:19:29.479 reason is China. So can you elaborate on what deal 1:19:29.560 --> 1:19:33.800 and President Trump this weekend said he felt fairly good 1:19:33.840 --> 1:19:36.280 that the meeting with g would be successful. I hope 1:19:36.320 --> 1:19:39.760 it is to the benefit of both countries and to 1:19:39.800 --> 1:19:43.439 the benefit of the American farmer. I'm sure you have 1:19:43.520 --> 1:19:46.680 your reservations about this because of the way China has 1:19:46.720 --> 1:19:50.840 acted in the past and their recent history of buying 1:19:50.920 --> 1:19:57.760 American farmland and not buying our goods. So what do 1:19:57.800 --> 1:20:00.760 you expect out of this latest meeting? Was that the 1:20:00.800 --> 1:20:03.960 President is planning on having his on his trip to Asia. 1:20:04.880 --> 1:20:08.520 Absolutely well, as you correctly said, this is a big priority. 1:20:08.680 --> 1:20:11.439 And you know, President Trump, as he's preparing for this meeting, 1:20:11.520 --> 1:20:14.360 is coming in having drawn some hardlines, used tariffs and 1:20:14.400 --> 1:20:18.600 other stands to show China that he intends to negotiate 1:20:18.640 --> 1:20:21.599 tougher than past years at US presidents. And he's trying 1:20:21.600 --> 1:20:24.920 to figure out a way to do that while finding 1:20:24.960 --> 1:20:27.160 a way to get that market opened back up in 1:20:27.160 --> 1:20:30.400 a way that's more fair, because you know the way 1:20:30.439 --> 1:20:33.040 that was for decades, it was leading unfair trade practices 1:20:33.040 --> 1:20:35.599 that were pushing prices down and screwing with American farmers, 1:20:35.920 --> 1:20:39.200 and then China snubbing American farmers. This fall has been 1:20:39.320 --> 1:20:41.400 very challenging on the other hand. So President Trump's trying 1:20:41.439 --> 1:20:44.280 to make that market more fair and get it back open. 1:20:44.360 --> 1:20:46.400 Here's what we need to recognize as we do that, 1:20:46.720 --> 1:20:49.479 we have to see that this deal will be the 1:20:49.640 --> 1:20:53.320 first step in a long term process to end what 1:20:53.360 --> 1:20:55.720 I'm calling our China addiction in this country, which is 1:20:55.800 --> 1:20:59.599 all the ways that China makes our economy affordable here 1:20:59.600 --> 1:21:01.160 in America is something that we have to figure out 1:21:01.200 --> 1:21:04.120 a way to deal with and move our way off of, 1:21:04.439 --> 1:21:07.479 including for the sake of our family farms, because they've 1:21:07.479 --> 1:21:10.160 held this hostage in many ways for a couple decades now. 1:21:10.439 --> 1:21:13.280 We have a China addiction in this country because of 1:21:13.400 --> 1:21:16.280 the cheaper goods that are brought in through the slave 1:21:16.439 --> 1:21:19.960 labor that is conducted in that communist country, and through 1:21:20.000 --> 1:21:24.559 as you mentioned, unfair trade practices where they're simply blocking 1:21:24.600 --> 1:21:28.479 American goods for making their market while flooding ours with 1:21:28.600 --> 1:21:33.320 all this cheap stuff that we've become accustomed to. You know, 1:21:34.280 --> 1:21:39.000 the Walmart generation is mostly there. And this is no 1:21:39.640 --> 1:21:42.920 diss on Walmart as a corporation at all, Brian, but 1:21:43.000 --> 1:21:48.840 the Walmart generation, which you saw these huge mega box 1:21:48.880 --> 1:21:53.040 stores bringing cheap Chinese goods to Middle America over the 1:21:53.080 --> 1:21:56.479 past forty to fifty years has really caused a serious 1:21:56.479 --> 1:21:59.200 hole in the American economy that people don't think about 1:21:59.200 --> 1:22:02.840 when they go after that ten dollars shirt at Walmart, do. 1:22:02.760 --> 1:22:06.599 They Yeah, that's absolutely right. You know, it's created cheap goods, 1:22:06.600 --> 1:22:08.640 but it has also created a dependence that we have 1:22:08.800 --> 1:22:11.080 on China where they're able to really jerk our chain. 1:22:11.439 --> 1:22:13.760 And you see that on the farm side. In the 1:22:13.800 --> 1:22:16.519 case of China has for decades been a huge buyer 1:22:16.560 --> 1:22:21.000 of soybeans, corn, other staples that are crucial to our heartland, 1:22:21.160 --> 1:22:24.439 the Midwest, all across the Great Plains, all over the place. 1:22:24.840 --> 1:22:28.440 And the reality situation is they buy so much agricultural 1:22:28.479 --> 1:22:31.800 products that they're able to really dictate the terms they 1:22:31.800 --> 1:22:34.559 buy them up. They can dump things and push the 1:22:34.560 --> 1:22:37.280 price down. They can move the world price and demand, 1:22:37.760 --> 1:22:39.760 and that's how farmers have been doing a lot of 1:22:39.800 --> 1:22:42.400 business selling to China, but also kind of get been 1:22:42.439 --> 1:22:44.880 getting screwed by China, and that's why farmers often support 1:22:44.880 --> 1:22:47.439 getting tougher, even though a trade dispute can be harmful 1:22:47.479 --> 1:22:49.599 if it gets out of hand. So that's why we 1:22:49.600 --> 1:22:52.719 need to figure out for the American consumer, the American worker, 1:22:52.760 --> 1:22:55.000 and for the American farmer. What's our long term strategy. 1:22:55.320 --> 1:22:58.120 How can we get back to a healthy, normal trading 1:22:58.160 --> 1:23:00.920 relationship rather than having our biggest graading partner also be 1:23:00.960 --> 1:23:02.679 our biggest adversary. 1:23:02.439 --> 1:23:09.840 Well, and how how can we keep them from from 1:23:09.880 --> 1:23:12.880 buying our farm land which they which I mean President 1:23:12.920 --> 1:23:16.720 Trump has gone to great links to stop this, and 1:23:17.160 --> 1:23:20.120 local and state leaders have done the same, especially in 1:23:20.200 --> 1:23:26.559 red states where they're not just they're just not snapping 1:23:26.680 --> 1:23:30.880 up all of our farmland and controlling it. 1:23:32.360 --> 1:23:33.240 Yeah. 1:23:33.680 --> 1:23:36.760 My question, Brian is how do we ever trust the 1:23:36.880 --> 1:23:40.200 Chinese since they go back on deals all the time, 1:23:40.240 --> 1:23:42.719 and they lie and they cheat. Is there a way 1:23:42.760 --> 1:23:47.600 to make this deal China proof from the standpoint of 1:23:47.680 --> 1:23:50.920 them not going along with what they say they're going 1:23:51.000 --> 1:23:51.240 to do? 1:23:52.400 --> 1:23:54.519 It is such a good question. It's kind of like 1:23:54.560 --> 1:23:57.040 that rag and trust but verify thing that he had 1:23:57.040 --> 1:24:00.160 with communist Russia back in the day, right, And I say, 1:24:00.200 --> 1:24:02.479 you know, we can deal but not depend. And what 1:24:02.520 --> 1:24:05.040 I mean by that is they're a big market. We 1:24:05.080 --> 1:24:07.120 can find a way to strike a deal that is 1:24:07.200 --> 1:24:10.000 more fair to the American farm and American worker. And 1:24:10.720 --> 1:24:14.200 we can do that, you know, hopefully opening that market 1:24:14.880 --> 1:24:17.360 back up without letting them kind of you know. 1:24:17.400 --> 1:24:18.080 Raid the store. 1:24:18.439 --> 1:24:20.320 But we cannot depend on them. And what I mean 1:24:20.400 --> 1:24:22.559 by that is we have to diversify our trading base. 1:24:22.600 --> 1:24:25.840 There are hundreds of trade companies countries out there, excuse me, 1:24:25.920 --> 1:24:28.439 hundreds of countries out there that there are no trade 1:24:28.479 --> 1:24:30.840 deals with. And if we are going around the globe 1:24:30.960 --> 1:24:34.479 making individual deals with smaller countries where we have more leverage, 1:24:34.880 --> 1:24:37.720 they need us to help feed them. We need them 1:24:37.800 --> 1:24:40.160 because they have affordable ways to help produce goods in 1:24:40.160 --> 1:24:41.640 the way that Chinese. But maybe it doesn't have to 1:24:41.640 --> 1:24:44.600 have the same human rights abuses and the same trade abuses. 1:24:45.120 --> 1:24:48.320 If we make hundreds of deals across the country that diversity. 1:24:48.320 --> 1:24:50.479 I know, one deal is going to replace China, but 1:24:50.680 --> 1:24:54.320 many many deals across the globe negotiating way, it's more 1:24:54.360 --> 1:24:57.640 fair for farmers and workers and consumers here in America. 1:24:58.040 --> 1:25:00.760 We don't have to depend on China as much as 1:25:00.760 --> 1:25:02.599 we do. The problem is we have so many eggs 1:25:02.600 --> 1:25:05.479 in one basket to use a farm pun on an 1:25:05.479 --> 1:25:07.880 issue that is really pretty serious, to be honest. 1:25:07.720 --> 1:25:13.280 Yeah, no doubt about that. How how is the current 1:25:13.520 --> 1:25:16.519 government shut down affecting America's farmers Brian. 1:25:17.560 --> 1:25:20.560 It's coming at the worst possible time. There's congressional squabbling 1:25:20.600 --> 1:25:24.080 in the games that lawmakers are playing around. Different extraneous 1:25:24.080 --> 1:25:28.000 political issues from the American farmers standpoint, are causing real problems. Now, 1:25:28.040 --> 1:25:30.559 no farmer really wants to depend on the government. Farmers 1:25:30.640 --> 1:25:33.000 want to grow something and sell it for a dollar, right, 1:25:33.000 --> 1:25:37.000 But the reality is that agriculture and government are intertwined 1:25:37.160 --> 1:25:39.439 deeply in this country, and so there are things like 1:25:39.880 --> 1:25:42.400 farmers need to be able to go to the local 1:25:42.439 --> 1:25:44.479 county office to register their crops, things like that. So 1:25:44.479 --> 1:25:47.920 that's some of the smaller issues that are kind of inconveniences. 1:25:48.000 --> 1:25:50.679 But here's the real reason the government chepman is having 1:25:50.680 --> 1:25:53.200 a huge impact right now. President Trump and the administration 1:25:53.280 --> 1:25:54.800 have said, hey, we're going to do tariffs, We're going 1:25:54.840 --> 1:25:57.640 to negotiate tougher. That sometimes means that our government is 1:25:57.640 --> 1:26:00.360 going to take actions that make it harder for armers 1:26:00.360 --> 1:26:02.720 to selling these other markets because we think it's worthwhile, right, 1:26:02.760 --> 1:26:05.040 we think it's worth drawing that hardline. We'll get a 1:26:05.080 --> 1:26:06.679 better deal long term, but it might mean some pain 1:26:06.720 --> 1:26:08.439 in the short term, that's what the government has said. 1:26:08.600 --> 1:26:10.280 In a scenario where that's what the government is saying, 1:26:10.479 --> 1:26:12.400 they want to also be able to come forward with 1:26:12.479 --> 1:26:15.120 some of that tariff revenue to help support farmers who 1:26:15.160 --> 1:26:17.320 are impacted by that. When the government takes an action 1:26:17.439 --> 1:26:19.559 that impacts a business, it makes sense that the government 1:26:19.920 --> 1:26:22.840 does something to help make sure that that business isn't 1:26:23.200 --> 1:26:26.120 completely left on whole. So, you know, there's an effort 1:26:26.120 --> 1:26:30.320 to move a tariff support package through the Congress, but 1:26:30.400 --> 1:26:33.080 the shutdown has halted all that. There's been some funds 1:26:33.160 --> 1:26:35.439 that the Trump Innstration is able to release on its own, 1:26:35.640 --> 1:26:37.960 but not all. There's billions of dollars being held up 1:26:37.960 --> 1:26:40.760 by these congressional gains while meantime farmers are making the 1:26:40.800 --> 1:26:42.479 sacrifice during our trade disputes. 1:26:43.280 --> 1:26:47.759 I've always wondered what your position is on government farm 1:26:48.320 --> 1:26:51.519 subsidies and paying farmers not to grow certain crops or 1:26:51.640 --> 1:26:57.599 raise certain a livestock. What's Brian Reisinger's take on those 1:26:58.400 --> 1:27:01.880 which many people who are not farmers consider, you know, 1:27:02.439 --> 1:27:03.480 government welfare. 1:27:03.520 --> 1:27:06.719 Basically, yeah, I'll tell you I don't speak for all farmers, 1:27:06.760 --> 1:27:08.439 but I'll say what I what I hear A lot 1:27:08.479 --> 1:27:11.080 and what I what I believe to be the issue. 1:27:10.800 --> 1:27:14.679 The issue that we have here is that most farmers 1:27:14.720 --> 1:27:16.559 I know, they want to they want to again. They 1:27:16.560 --> 1:27:19.920 want to grow crops and sell you know, food products 1:27:20.040 --> 1:27:22.800 or other products that people want to buy for a dollar. No, 1:27:22.880 --> 1:27:25.800 no government, No farmer wants to depend on government in 1:27:25.840 --> 1:27:28.160 the way that we have many of our farmers doing 1:27:28.200 --> 1:27:30.400 in this country. But here's what's happened. The government has 1:27:30.439 --> 1:27:33.000 intervened in so many different ways. There are so many 1:27:33.040 --> 1:27:35.799 different programs, and they just piled up over the years. 1:27:35.880 --> 1:27:38.639 So you can make an argument there's maybe a basic 1:27:38.800 --> 1:27:41.479 need around uncontrollable factors like weather. Right, just like when 1:27:41.520 --> 1:27:43.920 there's a hurricane or tornado, the government comes in and 1:27:43.960 --> 1:27:47.479 helps out communities. You can make an argument for uncontrolled feathers. 1:27:47.600 --> 1:27:50.840 Weather's like, you know, weather and other factors being a 1:27:50.880 --> 1:27:54.240 reason to have some sort of government involvement. But we've 1:27:54.240 --> 1:27:57.799 piled up programs over the decades. We have hundreds of programs. 1:27:57.920 --> 1:28:00.720 We don't know whether they work anymore any our contradictory. 1:28:00.760 --> 1:28:02.200 We don't know which means are prone to favorite as. 1:28:02.200 --> 1:28:02.479 Going to do. 1:28:02.600 --> 1:28:05.839 So here's what happens. It's both true that the American 1:28:05.880 --> 1:28:08.479 taxpayer is rightly saying where the heck is my tax 1:28:08.520 --> 1:28:11.519 dollars going? And then family farmers saying, hey, where the 1:28:11.520 --> 1:28:13.200 heck is that support that was supposed to be there? 1:28:13.240 --> 1:28:14.680 A lot of farmers don't want to have to be 1:28:14.840 --> 1:28:17.720 depending on that. We just have this massive government bureaucracy 1:28:17.760 --> 1:28:20.439 that is, you know, just so ineffective and it's wasting 1:28:20.439 --> 1:28:21.599 a lot of dollars along the way. 1:28:22.040 --> 1:28:30.679 Yeah, since your your family's from Wisconsin dairy farmers, right, yeah, Okay, 1:28:31.479 --> 1:28:37.160 where are we now with Canada and trade on items 1:28:37.240 --> 1:28:38.719 like cheese? 1:28:39.040 --> 1:28:41.559 Yeah? You know, the big thing with Canada and with 1:28:41.600 --> 1:28:45.480 America is that we do need the Canadians to understand 1:28:45.600 --> 1:28:47.639 that we need to have deals that are more more 1:28:47.720 --> 1:28:50.559 fair to America. And part of the reason for this 1:28:50.680 --> 1:28:52.439 is Canada has a very different system. You want to 1:28:52.439 --> 1:28:55.240 talk about protectionism Canada, that is what they call supply 1:28:55.400 --> 1:29:00.439 management system, where they're so protectionists of their dairy that 1:29:00.520 --> 1:29:03.639 they the government literally mandates, you know, how many college 1:29:03.640 --> 1:29:05.000 you can have and things like that. 1:29:04.880 --> 1:29:07.880 And Bryan, it's called it's called socialism. 1:29:09.439 --> 1:29:12.439 Thank you for speaking with clarity there. I appreciate that. 1:29:12.720 --> 1:29:17.360 And it creates a huge imbalance, right, and The Canadians are, though, 1:29:17.560 --> 1:29:20.559 you know, traditionally little more friendly than China. They also, 1:29:20.920 --> 1:29:23.120 especially during the last trade to be about a decade ago, 1:29:23.439 --> 1:29:26.000 they were dumping products too that they knew could push 1:29:26.000 --> 1:29:27.680 the prices down. So we need to make sure that 1:29:27.720 --> 1:29:30.599 our traditional allies are also dealing with the American farm 1:29:30.640 --> 1:29:31.599 in a fairway as well. 1:29:32.200 --> 1:29:37.400 What about American farmers who are trying to keep money 1:29:37.400 --> 1:29:40.559 in their pockets and keep from you know, keep the 1:29:40.640 --> 1:29:44.720 lights on and whatever, trading out their farm land. They're 1:29:44.800 --> 1:29:50.919 good fertile farmland for solar panel fields and wind farms. 1:29:51.880 --> 1:29:56.799 I know that there's there's this administration has taken a stab, 1:29:57.080 --> 1:30:01.160 a stab back at all these green energy initial is 1:30:01.160 --> 1:30:07.400 so called renewables, which are inefficient, very costly, and eat 1:30:07.479 --> 1:30:08.599 up all kinds of land. 1:30:09.880 --> 1:30:12.599 Yeah, you know, I've always said that I think, you know, 1:30:12.720 --> 1:30:14.559 individual farmers need to figure out what's right for them. 1:30:14.600 --> 1:30:16.200 I've worked on a couple of different types of world 1:30:16.200 --> 1:30:18.840 development projects, a wide range of things. Here here's what 1:30:18.880 --> 1:30:21.640 I think the issue is. That is a is a 1:30:21.720 --> 1:30:24.600 deep way that we can help address whatever kinds of 1:30:24.640 --> 1:30:27.639 pressures farmers may have to do with their land. Different things, 1:30:28.040 --> 1:30:31.280 the land rich cash poor dilemma. The big problem with 1:30:31.320 --> 1:30:34.040 that landriage cash problem is the cash poor part, meaning 1:30:34.439 --> 1:30:37.479 what we need is for farmers to have new entrepreneur 1:30:37.560 --> 1:30:40.120 opportunity that make it easier to make a living on 1:30:40.160 --> 1:30:42.920 their land. Farmland has always been valuable, always been coveted 1:30:42.920 --> 1:30:45.839 for different things, and farmers have always faced those pressures. 1:30:46.080 --> 1:30:47.559 But as long as farmers are able to make a 1:30:47.560 --> 1:30:51.200 good living, these farm families want to keep their farms 1:30:51.400 --> 1:30:53.479 in their families. They want to keep operating, they want 1:30:53.479 --> 1:30:56.080 to keep moving forward. And the issue that we have 1:30:56.160 --> 1:30:58.680 is there hasn't been enough entrepreneur opportunity out there to 1:30:58.720 --> 1:31:01.559 help farms have good choices with what they want to 1:31:01.560 --> 1:31:02.479 be able to do with their land. 1:31:03.160 --> 1:31:06.920 Yeah, I know that some farmers. The trend I guess 1:31:06.960 --> 1:31:09.479 it was about twenty years ago. I remember hearing about 1:31:09.520 --> 1:31:12.320 this is that a lot of farmers were taking a 1:31:12.360 --> 1:31:15.360 portion of their farmland and they were they had ponds 1:31:15.439 --> 1:31:17.800 and stuff, and they were raising shrimp, you know, farm 1:31:17.880 --> 1:31:21.160 raised shrimp and stuff like that. You talk about, you know, 1:31:21.240 --> 1:31:26.360 diversifying and using this wonderful gift of God, this farmland 1:31:26.920 --> 1:31:30.040 for whatever purpose that will make economic sense for these 1:31:30.080 --> 1:31:36.280 farm But I'm sorry, I go by a field and 1:31:36.360 --> 1:31:39.519 I see, you know, all of these solar panels, or 1:31:39.560 --> 1:31:42.120 I go buy a field and I see these giant 1:31:42.120 --> 1:31:45.160 bird killers up in there, and I'm going, man, this 1:31:45.200 --> 1:31:49.240 stuff doesn't work. It's not energy efficient. Yeah, maybe it's 1:31:49.280 --> 1:31:53.000 floating a boat for this farmer so he can survive 1:31:53.080 --> 1:31:56.160 another day. But is it. How close are we to 1:31:56.240 --> 1:31:58.519 the death of the family farm in America? 1:31:58.560 --> 1:31:58.880 Brian? 1:32:00.720 --> 1:32:03.920 You know, we're unfortunately very close, and there are some 1:32:04.000 --> 1:32:08.640 really big factors, you know, economic crises, governmental policies, technological 1:32:08.640 --> 1:32:10.240 issues that have been driving it for a long time. 1:32:10.280 --> 1:32:12.639 And here's where the math shakes out. We've been losing 1:32:12.760 --> 1:32:14.720 family farms at the rate of forty five thousand a 1:32:14.800 --> 1:32:17.240 year on average for the past century, forty five thousand 1:32:17.280 --> 1:32:20.280 a year. If we continue doing that going forward, Gary, Jeff, 1:32:20.400 --> 1:32:22.840 I'm forty years old now. By the time my little 1:32:22.840 --> 1:32:25.000 girl is my age, by the time she's forty, we'll 1:32:25.000 --> 1:32:26.759 have lost the rest of our farms in this country 1:32:27.120 --> 1:32:29.240 at that rate, we'll have lost them within the next generation. 1:32:29.360 --> 1:32:31.360 So we need to make some big changes. There's no question. 1:32:31.960 --> 1:32:35.960 Well, the farms and farming has been such an integral 1:32:36.040 --> 1:32:40.840 part of this country from its very beginning. You know, 1:32:40.920 --> 1:32:45.480 we were still obviously in colonial times in Aggregian society. 1:32:46.680 --> 1:32:50.200 We had the you know, the industrial age come in 1:32:50.280 --> 1:32:53.920 and we had manufacturing and the city's got built. And 1:32:54.360 --> 1:32:57.400 I will tell you from a personal standpoint, Brian, that 1:32:58.439 --> 1:33:01.559 when I go back to Iowa, where I was born, 1:33:02.640 --> 1:33:06.200 when I talk to my relatives that are still in 1:33:06.240 --> 1:33:10.800 Mount Pleasant, Iowa and have been family farmers for at 1:33:10.920 --> 1:33:13.839 least as many generations as your family has been involved 1:33:13.840 --> 1:33:19.920 there in Wisconsin, when I visit there on occasion, there 1:33:20.040 --> 1:33:23.920 is such a feeling of peace and comfort being out 1:33:23.960 --> 1:33:27.679 in that land where people are working the land where 1:33:28.240 --> 1:33:32.880 and they're very, very overall, they're very patriotic people. They 1:33:32.920 --> 1:33:37.960 love America, they love Americans, they love their fellow Americans. 1:33:38.640 --> 1:33:43.439 And many of them, you know, many of them that 1:33:43.640 --> 1:33:45.840 this is a place where you can find lots of 1:33:46.280 --> 1:33:50.400 Trump signs. Not that they are not Democrats too, but 1:33:50.479 --> 1:33:55.960 I'm just saying it always makes my heart feel good 1:33:56.520 --> 1:33:58.920 to be in a community like that, and to think 1:33:58.960 --> 1:34:03.600 about this country without those communities really saddens me and 1:34:03.720 --> 1:34:08.040 makes me kind of worried about the future of our nation. 1:34:09.320 --> 1:34:11.080 Yeah, And you know, and I appreciate that and I'll 1:34:11.080 --> 1:34:13.240 tell you what you know. The way that we're hollowing 1:34:13.280 --> 1:34:16.040 out our rural communities, which are small town's oryalmans, were 1:34:16.040 --> 1:34:18.640 built by our farm So you when you decimate the 1:34:18.680 --> 1:34:21.719 farms this way, you decimate all those communities. And what's 1:34:21.760 --> 1:34:24.120 happening is we're houlowing at rural Americans. We're also affecting 1:34:24.120 --> 1:34:26.880 every single American dinner table because when you wipe out 1:34:26.880 --> 1:34:29.240 forty five thousand farms a year, you make your food 1:34:29.280 --> 1:34:33.519 supply chain insecure. That drives up prices. That's one of 1:34:33.560 --> 1:34:36.320 the reasons we see food prices through the roof moving 1:34:36.400 --> 1:34:38.760 faster than inflation that we had that was run away 1:34:38.800 --> 1:34:41.880 a couple of years ago. It makes the food less healthy. 1:34:42.000 --> 1:34:45.599 It affects our security. Right now, we have somewhere around 1:34:45.640 --> 1:34:48.120 forty two and a half billion dollar egg trade deficit 1:34:48.160 --> 1:34:51.599 between the Biden adminstration term administration, between those two time periods. 1:34:51.760 --> 1:34:53.240 I say that because I want people know I'm not 1:34:53.280 --> 1:34:55.320 being political. It's forty two and a half billion in 1:34:55.360 --> 1:34:59.679 between those administrations, right and that was a record amount 1:35:00.320 --> 1:35:04.519 of food and agg culture proticty, we're importing rather than exports, 1:35:04.560 --> 1:35:06.800 so we're importing forty and a half million more dollars 1:35:06.840 --> 1:35:09.040 in food than we are exporting. Think about that, We're 1:35:09.080 --> 1:35:11.519 wiping out our farms at forty five thousand a year, 1:35:11.560 --> 1:35:13.880 our domestic food supply. We're depending more and more in 1:35:13.920 --> 1:35:17.080 other countries for our food. That reads like a doomsday novel, 1:35:17.400 --> 1:35:19.360 you know, I mean, we need to do something about that. 1:35:19.680 --> 1:35:24.400 Brian Reisinger land Rich Cash Poor is the book. I 1:35:26.080 --> 1:35:28.639 can't tell you how much I appreciate your time tonight 1:35:28.840 --> 1:35:31.800 and the work you're doing on behalf of not only 1:35:31.800 --> 1:35:36.040 of American farmers, but American consumers, all the rest of us. 1:35:36.520 --> 1:35:41.240 Because this matters. This matters to every single person who 1:35:41.840 --> 1:35:48.800 who eats eggs or you know, enjoys of fresh cob 1:35:48.880 --> 1:35:52.519 of corn, or you know, any kind of thing that 1:35:52.600 --> 1:35:56.599 comes off the farmland in this country. And it's time 1:35:56.640 --> 1:36:00.000 we wake up and make sure that these guys are 1:36:00.040 --> 1:36:01.960 are taken care of and they can continue to do 1:36:02.040 --> 1:36:04.800 their fine work, not only for their families, but for 1:36:04.840 --> 1:36:05.959 the rest of the country. 1:36:06.439 --> 1:36:09.479 Thank you, Brian, Well, thank you so much. I appreciate 1:36:09.520 --> 1:36:11.840 you know. We've got our new paperback additional language, Cash 1:36:11.880 --> 1:36:15.400 pour Out, available on Amazon bookstores nationwide. I just appreciate 1:36:15.439 --> 1:36:17.800 anybody who spreads the word on these issues, and I 1:36:17.840 --> 1:36:19.280 appreciate you shouldn't light on them. 1:36:19.520 --> 1:36:23.280 You bet you my pleasure, sir, the wild Man. We'll 1:36:23.400 --> 1:36:28.880 finish us off here after the news break seven WLW. 1:36:30.320 --> 1:36:34.200 It's your weekly dost from the Goo Factory of one 1:36:34.320 --> 1:36:38.400 wild Man Walker on the nightcap. And there's some good, 1:36:39.040 --> 1:36:44.200 there's some really bad, and then there's some sublime to 1:36:44.280 --> 1:36:50.240 talk about, like wild Man's love for Andy Griffith reruns. Today. 1:36:50.400 --> 1:36:53.680 You were describing to me today, wild Man. You were 1:36:53.720 --> 1:36:58.519 watching a colored a color TV episode of Andy Griffin 1:36:59.760 --> 1:37:04.760 and uh and and uh. In the episode, they made 1:37:04.880 --> 1:37:07.800 Ernest T a school crossing guard? Is that what you? 1:37:08.840 --> 1:37:11.400 Ernest T Beths is a school crossing guard? And he 1:37:11.520 --> 1:37:13.760 was throwing rocks and. 1:37:13.200 --> 1:37:16.880 Well that's why he w that's what That's what Ernest 1:37:16.920 --> 1:37:20.120 T does, is he throws rocks. So what why would 1:37:20.280 --> 1:37:22.479 why would they make him a school crossing guard if 1:37:22.479 --> 1:37:25.960 they know that he has a pensiant for throwing rocks, 1:37:26.200 --> 1:37:28.080 not exactly his safety office. 1:37:28.080 --> 1:37:33.479 Well it's television television, come on, man, So they were 1:37:33.840 --> 1:37:37.160 to make a long story short. He was worn not 1:37:37.200 --> 1:37:39.799 to throw rocks, but he said, he said, I wouldn't 1:37:39.800 --> 1:37:41.679 throw any rocks, And when Andy walked away, he said, 1:37:41.680 --> 1:37:45.040 but you didn't say anything about bricks bricks. 1:37:44.720 --> 1:37:45.280 In his bag? 1:37:45.360 --> 1:37:48.880 Do Aw's are and throwing bricks? 1:37:48.880 --> 1:37:49.760 So we fired. 1:37:49.520 --> 1:37:51.600 Him and in the meantime. 1:37:51.200 --> 1:37:54.800 Malcolm Meryweather, who appeared in them Raposos, came to town 1:37:54.880 --> 1:37:57.599 and Andy gave him the job and Ernest t baths 1:37:57.600 --> 1:37:59.120 he got a case of the goo and threat to 1:37:59.120 --> 1:38:00.880 beat him up and they were going to a fight 1:38:01.000 --> 1:38:02.840 on it. Then he found out that he was really 1:38:03.040 --> 1:38:06.919 somehow related to him through the through through his English 1:38:07.080 --> 1:38:09.200 heritage or something that was just goofy. 1:38:10.320 --> 1:38:15.560 Only on television, especially television, especially nineteen sixties television. 1:38:16.000 --> 1:38:17.320 Oh yeah, definitely. 1:38:17.560 --> 1:38:19.879 But they were the golden They were the golden times 1:38:19.920 --> 1:38:21.800 of sitcoms. Though the sixties. 1:38:22.200 --> 1:38:24.680 Well, that Andy Griffiths show has not been off the 1:38:24.760 --> 1:38:28.160 air since, you know, for the last fifty something years. 1:38:28.400 --> 1:38:29.400 Yeah, what is that? 1:38:29.560 --> 1:38:32.760 The staying power of that show is unbelievable. 1:38:32.760 --> 1:38:36.600 The reruns play over and over and over again, sometimes 1:38:36.640 --> 1:38:39.559 twenty four hours a day, and that's why you know 1:38:39.760 --> 1:38:43.559 every episode and can probably re enact the dialogue from 1:38:43.600 --> 1:38:46.880 almost every episode of a Andy Griffiths show within five 1:38:47.000 --> 1:38:50.280 seconds of seeing what it's all about. 1:38:50.920 --> 1:38:54.519 Yes, that's crazy, And if he. 1:38:54.520 --> 1:38:57.519 Asked me a favorite episode, it'd be I'd be hard pressed. 1:38:57.600 --> 1:38:59.800 I really would. I'd be hard pressed to state what 1:39:00.000 --> 1:39:02.679 that's my favorite episode because there were so many great ones, 1:39:02.960 --> 1:39:03.840 so many great ones. 1:39:03.880 --> 1:39:06.160 Now, do you also go in for Green Acres and 1:39:06.200 --> 1:39:10.639 Petticoat Junction? And I know you like Goomer piled usmc? Right? 1:39:11.479 --> 1:39:14.559 Oh, I love Gooomer pile USMC and I like green 1:39:14.600 --> 1:39:17.400 Acres too. I'm not a big Petticoat Junction guy. 1:39:18.120 --> 1:39:19.000 I like Green Acres. 1:39:19.000 --> 1:39:21.120 I was just you talking about that would have been 1:39:21.120 --> 1:39:23.599 a wacky town to live in because everybody was crazy 1:39:23.840 --> 1:39:29.559 except for Oliver Wendell Douglas. You're right, everybody was crazy. 1:39:29.800 --> 1:39:30.880 What about Bewitched? 1:39:32.160 --> 1:39:32.400 Nah? 1:39:32.920 --> 1:39:34.880 That what's for Witch? When I was younger, I don't 1:39:34.880 --> 1:39:36.560 have no desire to watch that anymore. 1:39:36.760 --> 1:39:39.599 Okay, so you've given up your Bewitched, but you're still 1:39:39.600 --> 1:39:41.600 holding onto your Andy Griffith. 1:39:41.720 --> 1:39:44.400 With Hand gun Smoke black and white and color. 1:39:45.200 --> 1:39:48.320 Well, gun Smoke ran for over twenty years. Oh yeah, 1:39:48.479 --> 1:39:51.160 back in the days when TV series didn't run that long. 1:39:51.520 --> 1:39:55.080 You know, Gunsmoke was the frunting episode. 1:39:55.160 --> 1:39:56.040 Yes, as it was. 1:39:56.160 --> 1:39:56.960 Yeah, you know that. 1:39:57.280 --> 1:39:59.799 Of course, of course the riflemen. I love the riflemen. 1:40:00.080 --> 1:40:05.800 Chuck Connor, Chuck Connors, basketball star at UK. Thank you? 1:40:07.320 --> 1:40:09.080 Wasn't you a basketball star? UK? 1:40:09.920 --> 1:40:12.880 No, he didn't play at UK. He was a basketball 1:40:12.880 --> 1:40:15.000 he was a basketball Do you like the Celtics? 1:40:15.560 --> 1:40:15.840 Yeah? 1:40:15.960 --> 1:40:18.519 Oh yeah? You know. It was Dave Cowen's birthday over 1:40:18.560 --> 1:40:19.400 the weekend too. 1:40:20.400 --> 1:40:22.760 What a great player. 1:40:22.560 --> 1:40:25.760 He's from right there in Newport, right? 1:40:27.000 --> 1:40:29.040 Can I want how many people drive down? 1:40:29.080 --> 1:40:30.360 I don't know who that is? 1:40:31.160 --> 1:40:33.519 You're right, my buddy, you know Dave Cowens is though, 1:40:33.600 --> 1:40:34.719 I go, get out of my face. 1:40:36.720 --> 1:40:39.720 That's what that deserves. That's what that deserves, all right, 1:40:40.720 --> 1:40:43.960 wild man, Part one here of our conversation. Let's talk 1:40:44.000 --> 1:40:48.760 about the good this weekend. And the good was you 1:40:48.840 --> 1:40:58.479 see football homecoming Baylor blowout, and plus they welcomed, uh 1:40:58.720 --> 1:41:01.439 welcome Tony Pike into the UC Athletics Hall of Fame, 1:41:01.800 --> 1:41:05.680 which I think is overdue, and Tony was gracious in 1:41:05.760 --> 1:41:09.760 accepting that and being a part of that celebration. Overall, 1:41:09.800 --> 1:41:12.759 give me your thoughts on UC football this weekend. 1:41:13.439 --> 1:41:18.479 Well, the Bearcats are now ranked number sixteen in the 1:41:18.520 --> 1:41:22.160 Coach's Pole and number seventeen and the ap pole. Of course, 1:41:22.160 --> 1:41:26.000 it was their seventh straight win and now they go 1:41:26.080 --> 1:41:29.760 face the Utah Utes and that'll be a nationally televised 1:41:29.840 --> 1:41:33.400 game on Saturday out in Utah, and Utah just beat 1:41:33.439 --> 1:41:36.799 the stuffing out of Colorado. I mean, I know Colorado 1:41:36.880 --> 1:41:39.000 is not that good, but that was an ugly game 1:41:39.040 --> 1:41:41.519 that gives to me like a ten to fifteen of the 1:41:41.560 --> 1:41:45.320 Bearcats offense going to this game was going to be 1:41:45.320 --> 1:41:48.120 matched up against Baylor's offense. That trouble was that Baylor's 1:41:48.160 --> 1:41:51.720 defense was not very good and the Bearcats took advantage 1:41:51.760 --> 1:41:55.360 of it. The Bearcats offense, I mean, I mean, I 1:41:55.400 --> 1:41:57.240 think was it Brandon Stores mean, I think it's only 1:41:57.240 --> 1:41:59.720 been sacked twice this year. They've got an offensive line 1:41:59.760 --> 1:42:02.599 that maybe the Bengals would like to tap into. If 1:42:02.600 --> 1:42:05.760 these guys are devils, will to be trapped at. 1:42:05.240 --> 1:42:07.360 The end of the season. It's amazing looking. 1:42:07.479 --> 1:42:10.519 Everything is looking good here, I know for the UC Bearcats. 1:42:10.520 --> 1:42:13.000 Now they've got a tough schedule Gary Jeff the rest 1:42:13.000 --> 1:42:15.840 of the way, they gotta play BYU here. Then they 1:42:15.840 --> 1:42:19.920 got to play I believe after that then they have 1:42:21.000 --> 1:42:23.599 It was an Arizona so their schedule is not it's 1:42:23.640 --> 1:42:27.040 not easy gets even Dupper the rest of the way. 1:42:27.479 --> 1:42:30.400 Well, I know that you're a you're a Homer, you're 1:42:31.200 --> 1:42:34.400 all things Cincinnati you love. But I gotta tell you, 1:42:34.479 --> 1:42:37.479 wild Man. The good for me this weekend was another 1:42:37.640 --> 1:42:41.800 victory by my Vanderbilt Commodores, which the V is for 1:42:41.920 --> 1:42:46.320 victory in Vanderbilt. They are seventh of the year, they're 1:42:46.360 --> 1:42:48.960 seven in one, and they're in the top ten for 1:42:49.000 --> 1:42:53.320 the first time since nineteen forty one. Diego Pavia didn't 1:42:53.320 --> 1:42:56.479 have a great game, but it was a defensive struggle 1:42:56.600 --> 1:43:01.879 in Nashville, and they outlasted of ranked Missouri team seventeen 1:43:01.920 --> 1:43:02.479 to time. 1:43:03.000 --> 1:43:03.240 It was. 1:43:04.800 --> 1:43:05.799 The last three years. 1:43:05.880 --> 1:43:09.799 Yeah, it was an incredible victory. Another one on the March, 1:43:10.600 --> 1:43:15.000 and I'm looking at Vanderbilt's record coming up. I mean, 1:43:15.040 --> 1:43:19.160 they got to play at Texas, I think, which Texas 1:43:19.160 --> 1:43:22.559 ain't all it's cracked up to be. And the only 1:43:22.600 --> 1:43:25.519 thing that bothers me about Vanderbilt's winning streak right now, 1:43:25.560 --> 1:43:29.719 wild Man is one of them came against then ranked LSU, 1:43:29.880 --> 1:43:35.360 which just fired boy Brian Kelly this week in an 1:43:35.360 --> 1:43:39.880 aftermath of a third straight loss by the LSU tigers. 1:43:40.880 --> 1:43:44.280 Are you happy about this? I'm thrilled about it. Brian Kelly, 1:43:44.360 --> 1:43:47.400 the man who said he'd never leave, you see, and 1:43:47.439 --> 1:43:51.519 then the second Notre Dame kept came calling, he was gone. 1:43:52.000 --> 1:43:53.960 And then he was at his dream job at Notre 1:43:54.040 --> 1:43:57.599 Dame and woof's it's not my dream job. LSU's offering 1:43:57.600 --> 1:44:00.400 me all this guaranteed money. Can you believe that man 1:44:00.680 --> 1:44:03.879 could walk away with fifty million dollars? 1:44:05.240 --> 1:44:07.599 I love this country, hey, And now let's let's back 1:44:07.680 --> 1:44:10.519 up here about Brian Kelly. Here when he was at UC, 1:44:11.280 --> 1:44:14.280 he was thirty four and six. He turned that program 1:44:14.360 --> 1:44:17.760 around and he said, and Garry Chef, let's let's keep 1:44:17.760 --> 1:44:20.400 the fact straight here. He said when he came here 1:44:20.720 --> 1:44:22.960 that Notre Dame was his dream job, and the way 1:44:23.040 --> 1:44:26.760 he handled it it was bad. It was bad, and 1:44:26.800 --> 1:44:29.200 a lot of fans never forgave me. But here's we 1:44:29.280 --> 1:44:30.120 go back to the thing. 1:44:30.560 --> 1:44:31.120 You know, if you. 1:44:31.040 --> 1:44:33.080 Don't like the way the rules are set up, then 1:44:33.120 --> 1:44:36.439 you change the rules. But he took he took that job, 1:44:36.760 --> 1:44:38.759 and he had to take the job at that time 1:44:39.200 --> 1:44:42.280 because you're going up in the recruiting and you're dealing 1:44:42.320 --> 1:44:44.760 with recruiting and if he didn't really take that job 1:44:44.800 --> 1:44:47.440 at that time, he could lose out a lot of recruits. 1:44:47.760 --> 1:44:50.080 And I know a lot of you see fans are happy, 1:44:50.120 --> 1:44:53.559 they're doing the happy dance over. But Brian Kelly getting fired. 1:44:53.800 --> 1:44:56.000 If he wants to get me playing in the coach somewhere, 1:44:56.320 --> 1:44:58.479 I'm sure he'll be hired again. But the walk to 1:44:58.520 --> 1:45:01.800 be paid fifty million dollars. Kudos to Brian Kelly for 1:45:01.880 --> 1:45:03.919 working forgetting that contract with LSU. 1:45:04.200 --> 1:45:05.480 They look like idiots. 1:45:05.760 --> 1:45:08.599 No, I'm not gonna big grudge him a chance to 1:45:08.720 --> 1:45:12.040 take that money. They were stupid enough to sign him 1:45:12.120 --> 1:45:15.200 for that amount of money, that guarantee a ten year deal. 1:45:16.160 --> 1:45:20.120 And you know there's some alum down in Baton Rouge 1:45:20.120 --> 1:45:23.160 that's saying, you know what, we'll we'll help you pay 1:45:23.200 --> 1:45:24.880 this off. We need to get rid of this guy. 1:45:24.920 --> 1:45:28.840 He's damaged goods and he's not doing the program any favors. 1:45:29.240 --> 1:45:31.000 You know when he was when Brian Kelly was at 1:45:31.080 --> 1:45:33.920 Notre Dame, he's all time winning his coach at Notre 1:45:34.040 --> 1:45:37.760 Dame and Gary Jeff When Brian Kelly accepted the job 1:45:37.760 --> 1:45:41.320 at LSU, you got to remember the nil money started, 1:45:41.479 --> 1:45:44.120 you know, showing its ugly face and he had to 1:45:44.160 --> 1:45:46.000 deal with a lot of that. So a lot of that. 1:45:46.040 --> 1:45:48.000 They got hurt by that because they lost a lot, 1:45:48.040 --> 1:45:50.639 a lot of a number of good players. So it's 1:45:50.680 --> 1:45:53.320 not all just you know, Brian Kelly being a lousy 1:45:53.320 --> 1:45:55.080 coach because he had a winning record there. 1:45:55.280 --> 1:45:56.360 But you know, you got to have the. 1:45:56.320 --> 1:45:58.519 Horses, and I mean, you don't have the horses, and 1:45:58.560 --> 1:46:01.240 they're going somewhere else. And the SEC is the best 1:46:01.240 --> 1:46:05.800 conference in football. Hey, they take their football series at LSU. Now, 1:46:05.840 --> 1:46:09.160 the rumor is running rampant at Penn State might be 1:46:09.240 --> 1:46:11.720 interested that Brian Kelly. I wouldn't surprise me if he 1:46:11.800 --> 1:46:14.760 went there. Brian might take a year off too, I 1:46:14.840 --> 1:46:16.360 mean that's his choice. 1:46:16.560 --> 1:46:19.880 Well, the former Penn State coach James Franklin, who came 1:46:19.960 --> 1:46:24.400 from Vanderbilt, uh, found out that the grass is not 1:46:24.520 --> 1:46:29.280 always greener when you go somewhere for more bucks. And uh, 1:46:29.320 --> 1:46:31.759 you know, I just hope this this coach at Vandy 1:46:31.920 --> 1:46:35.599 Clark Lee hangs around a while and they can continue 1:46:35.600 --> 1:46:38.600 to build off this recent football success they've had the 1:46:38.680 --> 1:46:42.840 last two years. Uh. Even though this looks like it's 1:46:42.880 --> 1:46:46.240 finally Diego Povey's last year after six. 1:46:47.680 --> 1:46:50.720 Crazy Kyli Branton soaresman, you know, to go back to 1:46:50.720 --> 1:46:52.880 about you know, the grace is not always greener. That's 1:46:52.880 --> 1:46:55.360 why I was glad that Indiana, you know, you know, 1:46:55.439 --> 1:46:58.280 jumped up the chance and extended the contract of dirt 1:46:58.320 --> 1:47:00.600 coach there. I mean, he's there forever now, he's not 1:47:00.640 --> 1:47:01.360 going anywhere. 1:47:01.400 --> 1:47:04.600 Well and after this season, can you blame them? No, 1:47:05.080 --> 1:47:06.920 the Hoosiers are hot. 1:47:06.479 --> 1:47:09.040 You gotta love it, Ohio state number one and the 1:47:09.160 --> 1:47:12.439 end of number two. But unfortunately they don't play each 1:47:12.439 --> 1:47:14.040 other during the regular season. 1:47:14.439 --> 1:47:17.280 No, no, but there is that in they're a Big 1:47:17.320 --> 1:47:18.599 ten championship game. 1:47:18.720 --> 1:47:20.479 Oh yeah, yeah, yes. 1:47:20.320 --> 1:47:24.400 Sir, yes, sir, there is all right, Uh, we've done that. 1:47:24.880 --> 1:47:28.840 Let's let's get to the bad wild man. Let's get 1:47:28.840 --> 1:47:32.760 to a blowing, blowing a fifteen point lead in the 1:47:32.800 --> 1:47:37.599 fourth quarter. Let's get to giving the game away. They 1:47:37.640 --> 1:47:42.960 were giving White Bengals caps away at yesterday's game to 1:47:43.040 --> 1:47:45.639 the first How many of one thousand fans showed up? 1:47:45.960 --> 1:47:48.280 But they didn't tell the fans that they were going 1:47:48.360 --> 1:47:52.559 to give the game away? How did this happen? Break 1:47:52.600 --> 1:47:53.000 it down? 1:47:54.000 --> 1:47:55.120 Oh, very easy. 1:47:55.600 --> 1:47:59.880 The defense, the defense, Jeff we knew We knew going 1:47:59.920 --> 1:48:02.760 into this season that the Bengals did not have a 1:48:02.880 --> 1:48:06.240 very good defense. We all knew that, but we didn't 1:48:06.240 --> 1:48:08.519 think it would be this bad in certain games. And 1:48:08.640 --> 1:48:14.920 yesterday they couldn't tackle. It was just had no pass rush. 1:48:14.960 --> 1:48:19.479 It's just it's bad. And then I hear Zach Taylor saying, well, 1:48:19.520 --> 1:48:22.040 it's unacceptable and people have to be accountable. We have 1:48:22.080 --> 1:48:24.839 to stand up. Well, let's start with Zach Taylor, because 1:48:25.000 --> 1:48:28.120 when it came down to crunch time, Gary, Jeff, Zach 1:48:28.160 --> 1:48:30.759 Taylor blew it. I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you why. 1:48:31.040 --> 1:48:34.599 At halftime on CBS, Bill Cowerd, who knows a little 1:48:34.640 --> 1:48:37.040 something about football, he doesn't have a Super Bowl ring, 1:48:37.280 --> 1:48:39.439 said the Benker should come out and run the ball 1:48:39.680 --> 1:48:42.720 because they were running the ball down the throats. 1:48:43.080 --> 1:48:44.479 Okay of the. 1:48:45.439 --> 1:48:48.479 Yeah, p Ryan p Right and Brown. P Right and 1:48:48.520 --> 1:48:51.360 Brown were both just chewing up ground in the first 1:48:51.400 --> 1:48:55.280 half of the Jets and you know what did they do. 1:48:55.640 --> 1:49:00.519 They they came out with just really ridiculous pass plays. 1:49:00.920 --> 1:49:03.840 Joe Flacco couldn't get any protection in the second half 1:49:03.840 --> 1:49:06.200 from his offensive that he got in the first half, 1:49:06.880 --> 1:49:10.600 and he couldn't connect with with Higgins or Chase because 1:49:10.920 --> 1:49:14.360 they stopped running the ball. 1:49:15.560 --> 1:49:18.080 The Bengals were up by I believe it was thirty 1:49:18.080 --> 1:49:21.080 eight thirty one, seven minutes left. The Bengals got the ball. 1:49:21.640 --> 1:49:24.000 They they you know, here, you got seven minutes left, 1:49:24.200 --> 1:49:27.280 you milk the clock, run the football, run the foot. 1:49:27.320 --> 1:49:30.679 They didn't. They didn't do one running play twenty seconds. 1:49:30.680 --> 1:49:31.320 They took off the. 1:49:31.240 --> 1:49:34.960 Clock forty seconds. Forty seconds. 1:49:35.040 --> 1:49:37.960 Yeah, that's not good. They're not good clock management at all. 1:49:38.880 --> 1:49:41.880 Terrible clock management. I used to think that Marvin Lewis 1:49:41.920 --> 1:49:42.479 was bad out of me. 1:49:42.600 --> 1:49:42.840 He was. 1:49:42.960 --> 1:49:45.680 Zach Taylor is pathetic good clock management too, and that 1:49:45.800 --> 1:49:48.320 cost the Bengals. That got cost the Bengals big time. 1:49:48.360 --> 1:49:51.200 Now defensively they stink. I don't know how they're going. 1:49:51.120 --> 1:49:51.599 To fix it. 1:49:51.760 --> 1:49:54.559 They've got you know, they keep drafting these young guys. 1:49:54.760 --> 1:49:57.160 They really didn't go out the free agency and sign anybody. 1:49:57.320 --> 1:49:59.960 They've got a major problem there defensively. But Zach Taylor 1:50:00.680 --> 1:50:03.480 on that situation, that comes down to coaching. 1:50:03.160 --> 1:50:05.000 And he blew it. He blew it. 1:50:05.439 --> 1:50:08.920 And of course the next last series they got they 1:50:08.960 --> 1:50:12.599 had three timeouts. They had three timeouts. Scared chef and 1:50:12.800 --> 1:50:15.360 tailor didn't even bother burning one. So they come up 1:50:15.360 --> 1:50:18.120 with a play to get a first down, didn't even 1:50:18.200 --> 1:50:21.160 burn any one of the timeouts. And of course Yosi 1:50:21.240 --> 1:50:25.559 Vash Andre Yosi Vash should not play this next Sunday. 1:50:25.560 --> 1:50:27.559 He should sit on the bench because he's had a 1:50:27.600 --> 1:50:29.920 case of the drops all year long, a case of 1:50:29.960 --> 1:50:33.439 the drops, major case of the drops. Targeted three times, 1:50:33.720 --> 1:50:34.520 no catches. 1:50:35.080 --> 1:50:39.680 I mean, was good when he was targeted yesterday, and 1:50:39.720 --> 1:50:41.960 he's been a little bit of an issue in the 1:50:41.960 --> 1:50:47.040 offense prior to that. Tanner Hudson was good. You know, 1:50:47.320 --> 1:50:51.040 Chase and Higgins are chasing Higgins, They're gonna be double 1:50:51.120 --> 1:50:55.000 covered in many cases, and they often were. But you know, 1:50:55.200 --> 1:50:58.280 last week when we talked after the Bengals victory over 1:50:58.320 --> 1:51:03.200 the Steelers, wild Man and we were talking about that, 1:51:03.560 --> 1:51:09.960 and I said, well, that's the way the Bengals won, 1:51:10.040 --> 1:51:12.439 the way everybody expected them to win games. If they 1:51:12.479 --> 1:51:15.000 were going to win games and high scoring affairs, just 1:51:15.040 --> 1:51:19.719 by outscoring the other opponent because their defense obviously is lacking. 1:51:21.439 --> 1:51:25.040 And this was another example of this. You're gonna have 1:51:25.120 --> 1:51:27.559 to outscore your opponent, and that means that your coach 1:51:28.760 --> 1:51:31.240 is going to have to be cognizant of what is 1:51:31.280 --> 1:51:35.760 required in making halftime adjustments and yes, clock management, which 1:51:35.760 --> 1:51:38.800 I thought Aaron Glynn did a great job of down 1:51:38.840 --> 1:51:40.320 the stretch yesterday with the Jacks. 1:51:41.080 --> 1:51:41.800 Hey sure did? 1:51:41.960 --> 1:51:44.840 I mean, when you score thirty eight points and a 1:51:45.240 --> 1:51:47.200 football game, you should win it. 1:51:47.400 --> 1:51:48.479 You should win that game. 1:51:49.240 --> 1:51:54.360 And they're playing the Bears this Sunday, the Bears. The 1:51:54.400 --> 1:51:56.960 Bengals could very well loose to the Bears. I really could, 1:51:57.360 --> 1:51:59.720 and I know so much for that. We were all thinking, oh, 1:51:59.800 --> 1:52:01.880 you know, going into the bye week, we could have 1:52:02.080 --> 1:52:04.559 three straight wins, have some of some momentum. Well that's 1:52:04.560 --> 1:52:06.800 going by the wayside. But yet here guy, I'm gonna 1:52:06.800 --> 1:52:09.439 tell you this. Right now, there's talking heads on TV 1:52:09.520 --> 1:52:12.000 and radio that have already gone out and said, well, 1:52:12.240 --> 1:52:15.280 Biggles are still close to you know, in the division 1:52:15.320 --> 1:52:16.800 because the Steelers lost too. 1:52:17.120 --> 1:52:22.200 Will you stop that crap? Stop it. It's about winning 1:52:22.240 --> 1:52:25.920 football games. It's not backing in, you know, like the 1:52:25.960 --> 1:52:27.240 Reds did in the playoffs. 1:52:27.520 --> 1:52:31.559 It's not. It is not hoping the other teams in 1:52:31.600 --> 1:52:34.960 your division suck so that you can come out on 1:52:35.080 --> 1:52:38.920 top of the teams that suck. In the NFL, it's 1:52:38.960 --> 1:52:43.120 about winning football games. It is about clock management, and 1:52:43.160 --> 1:52:46.760 it is about and tackling. I'm sorry. Tackling in the 1:52:46.840 --> 1:52:50.320 NFL should never be an option for the defense. It 1:52:50.320 --> 1:52:53.519 should be a requirement. And we see it week after 1:52:53.560 --> 1:52:54.439 week after week. 1:52:54.560 --> 1:52:57.560 Wild Man, it'd be the angle. 1:52:57.240 --> 1:52:59.640 Suggest it be an outrun by on the angle on 1:52:59.680 --> 1:53:02.240 angle plays and they run and just trying to one. 1:53:02.160 --> 1:53:03.320 Arm tackle these guys. 1:53:03.840 --> 1:53:06.599 Oh man, that's and I'm just I'm just gonna harp 1:53:06.600 --> 1:53:09.400 on the run on the running game yesterdays. The last 1:53:09.439 --> 1:53:12.480 three games, Grey Jeff have run the ball very effectively. 1:53:12.520 --> 1:53:14.479 The old line has done a great job and even 1:53:14.560 --> 1:53:17.559 protected Joe Flacco. I think he got sacked twice yesterday, 1:53:17.560 --> 1:53:19.840 maybe maybe once, but the old line has done a 1:53:19.880 --> 1:53:22.639 really good job of opening up holes. And anybody could 1:53:22.680 --> 1:53:25.920 see that. Anybody could see that yesterday. And for Zach 1:53:25.960 --> 1:53:28.559 Taylor to go away from that, what's that tell you? 1:53:28.880 --> 1:53:29.960 What's it telling you that. 1:53:30.040 --> 1:53:32.720 You know that the Jets, the Jets front four was 1:53:32.840 --> 1:53:35.639 parted like the Red Sea in a couple of plays 1:53:35.720 --> 1:53:38.599 yes in the first half, and they completely went away 1:53:38.720 --> 1:53:41.680 from what was working. And then and then and. 1:53:41.640 --> 1:53:43.920 The on the that's on the goat that's not the 1:53:43.920 --> 1:53:45.719 head coach. That's on the head coach. 1:53:45.920 --> 1:53:49.760 And and in the end, uh, nothing was working. 1:53:50.000 --> 1:53:53.600 And the press conference was Zach Taylor. Nobody brought that 1:53:53.720 --> 1:53:56.360 up at all with the being up by seven seven 1:53:56.760 --> 1:53:59.800 seven points or seven minutes left and up by seven 1:54:00.160 --> 1:54:02.719 by not running the ball, you know, throw throwing a pass. 1:54:03.479 --> 1:54:05.639 I'm not forging what they got sacked or what happened. 1:54:05.760 --> 1:54:09.519 Nobody but Joe Daniman last night on Fox nineteen brought 1:54:09.600 --> 1:54:11.719 up and brought up and said, this was the difference 1:54:11.760 --> 1:54:13.360 in the game. This is why they lost in the 1:54:13.439 --> 1:54:16.080 end with a play call and they didn't run the football. 1:54:16.439 --> 1:54:19.280 Wild man, are times done? I hope you got the 1:54:19.320 --> 1:54:20.280 goo out? 1:54:20.560 --> 1:54:21.680 Well I got to go out. 1:54:21.680 --> 1:54:23.479 But I'll tell you somebody said, really the major case 1:54:23.479 --> 1:54:25.360 of the goo. I got one more major case of 1:54:25.360 --> 1:54:27.800 the goo real quick. The ass had, whoever the ass 1:54:27.840 --> 1:54:31.120 had was that broke your phone on Marty Brunhaman's statue, 1:54:31.160 --> 1:54:34.800 hopefully find them and break his hand. And Richard Petty, 1:54:35.080 --> 1:54:36.560 you talk about a guy that has the case of 1:54:36.560 --> 1:54:39.320 the goo. He has called that NASCAR for their stupid 1:54:39.520 --> 1:54:41.120 grating system and standing. 1:54:40.960 --> 1:54:42.440 He really got the ass. 1:54:42.720 --> 1:54:46.000 And when Richard petty speaks NASCAR. Better start listening. 1:54:45.800 --> 1:54:49.640 Well when you speak. Hopefully somebody's still listening wild Man, 1:54:49.680 --> 1:54:52.800 thank you by who they are. I gotta go but bye.