Speaker 1: Welcome to the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW on Monday
Speaker 1: evening October twenty seven, twenty twenty five. Jeff Gilson will
Speaker 1: be here. Among his many attributes was a speech writer
Speaker 1: for the late great Margaret Thatcher, remember the Prime Minister
Speaker 1: of Great Britain that everyone called the Iron Lady. Good
Speaker 1: friends with Ronald Reagan, Michael Finch, who is the president
Speaker 1: of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, with a brand new
Speaker 1: book called A Time to Stand to Preserve American culture
Speaker 1: and history and keep us Great, Joshua Philip from the
Speaker 1: Epoch Times, Brian Reesinger from Land Rich, Cash Poor, and
Speaker 1: on what China's trying to do to American farmers, and
Speaker 1: also the wild Man. Before we're done, but we start
Speaker 1: tonight with Joseph Solomon, who was literally rolling on the
Speaker 1: river as we speak, and we're going to find out
Speaker 1: about his latest tales from his journey, his kayak journey,
Speaker 1: which will amount to some six thousand miles by the
Speaker 1: time he's finished next year. He set out from Cincinnati
Speaker 1: on September first on his kayak and is now in Mississippi.
Speaker 1: I believe. Let's get an update from Joseph Solomon.
Speaker 2: Joe how are you doing, man, I'm pretty good in yourself.
Speaker 1: I'm doing fine. And to spit all that stuff out
Speaker 1: just so we could get to the good stuff you
Speaker 1: We talked to you on September first, as you were
Speaker 1: just setting sail on your kayak out of Cincinnati. And
Speaker 1: again for folks who did not hear that interview, Joseph,
Speaker 1: what is your ultimate goal and when will you get there?
Speaker 2: My ultimate goal is to be able to paddle back
Speaker 2: to Cincinnati after going around that's the be Florida and
Speaker 2: up into New York, cutting through the Great Lakes and
Speaker 2: coming down the Illinois River back to the Mississippi, and
Speaker 2: once I get to the Ohio confluence, I'll attempt to
Speaker 2: paddle back up the Ohio River.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: How much difficulty is that paddling up the Ohio as
Speaker 1: as opposed to paddling down.
Speaker 2: Well, paddling down's probably more difficult than paddling up because
Speaker 2: the winds come from the southwest every day, So getting
Speaker 2: down the river, you've got winds in your faith all
Speaker 2: day long. Going back up, I've got a sail on
Speaker 2: my kayak. I can actually sail back up the Ohio
Speaker 2: River instead of having to paddle, so hard.
Speaker 1: What is the what is the longest trip you've made
Speaker 1: on a kayak to this point, I mean, before you
Speaker 1: started this, what was the lengthiest trip you made in
Speaker 1: your kayak?
Speaker 2: Joe, I did back in twenty twenty one. I did
Speaker 2: the entire Mississippi River from source to Vicksburg, Mississippi, and
Speaker 2: then a Hurricane Heida came through and kind of decimated
Speaker 2: the rest of my routes. The following year, I've paddled
Speaker 2: from downtown Cincinnati all the way to the Gulf of Mexico.
Speaker 1: Wow, but that's nothing like paddling through the inner coastal
Speaker 1: and then going back up of the Eastern seaboard. That
Speaker 1: just seems really, really daunting. At any point. How close
Speaker 1: are you to the ocean at any point on your voyage?
Speaker 2: Well, there will be days that I can actually get
Speaker 2: out into the ocean when it's calm, somewhere around Alabama's
Speaker 2: where the inner coast the waterway really starts, and I
Speaker 2: can stay within those boundaries if the ocean's tub rowty,
Speaker 2: or I can take the ocean route if I still choose.
Speaker 1: All right, So here's the other question. And I know
Speaker 1: you've got plenty of stories, just almost two months into
Speaker 1: your trip. Here we are at October twenty seventh. Where
Speaker 1: is Joseph Solomon? Right now?
Speaker 2: I am at the entrance of the old lock to
Speaker 2: the chapel Aya River on the Mississippi Louisiana border.
Speaker 3: Shortly today, at.
Speaker 2: Some point in the afternoon, I will be strictly in Louisiana, okay,
Speaker 2: with no bordering states.
Speaker 1: Well, and I know that you have a what do
Speaker 1: you call your your fund that that's keeping you afloat,
Speaker 1: keeping you in in.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: People can donate direct or they can donate to the
Speaker 2: National Alliance for Mental Illness on my website, which is
Speaker 2: Kayaking the new Merrick for acause dot com. Right and
Speaker 2: on there there's tabs that people can donate direct eat
Speaker 2: me going to raise this awareness.
Speaker 1: Provisions, provisions you called it your spam fund or what
Speaker 1: you call that.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, if people want to give me a can
Speaker 2: of spam, they can dominate a couple of bucks to
Speaker 2: the spam fund.
Speaker 1: All right, But that's Kayak for a Cause, Kayaking for
Speaker 1: a call, Kayaking for a Cause dot org or.
Speaker 2: Dot com dot com.
Speaker 1: All right, fantastic. Now, you set out on September first,
Speaker 1: as we mentioned, out of Cincinnati. What was the first, uh,
Speaker 1: what was the first bit of turbulence you encountered in
Speaker 1: your kayak on your journey? Just the first time you went, oh, man,
Speaker 1: this is a really great idea. I'm glad I came
Speaker 1: up with it.
Speaker 2: I guess you're speaking of something that kind of scared.
Speaker 3: The Bejesus.
Speaker 2: Exactly really happy I'm doing this. Uh. I was coming
Speaker 2: into the John T. Meyers locking Damn there on the
Speaker 2: Ohio River, and there was a storm brewing behind me,
Speaker 2: and it was pushing me into the lock and damn,
Speaker 2: and I was live feeding the whole entire situation, which
Speaker 2: that storm. I didn't get hit by it until after
Speaker 2: I went through the lock. But the winds were so
Speaker 2: heavy and it pushed me into the lock. I had
Speaker 2: nowhere to go to hide or get out of it.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm thankful that I was able to
Speaker 2: get into that lock and get out of that lock
Speaker 2: without any kind of incidents.
Speaker 4: But it was pretty scary.
Speaker 1: What should like going through a lock in a kayak?
Speaker 1: Somebody else asked me that the first time you were
Speaker 1: on the air. I said, I have no idea what
Speaker 1: he does in those situations.
Speaker 2: I have a VHF radio and on channel thirteen, you
Speaker 2: can call the lock master and request to be entered
Speaker 2: into the lock. I usually call them when I'm about
Speaker 2: a mile away, just in case they have to fill
Speaker 2: the chamber up to get to where I'm at or
Speaker 2: and then once I get in, they let the water
Speaker 2: out of the chamber, and once it's completely level with
Speaker 2: the water below the dam, the door is open and
Speaker 2: your cruise on out.
Speaker 1: All right, So you made it through that situation, what
Speaker 1: was what was the next adventure you? I mean you
Speaker 1: you at a certain point. Did you get onto the
Speaker 1: Mississippi or how did you start heading south?
Speaker 2: So I paddled from Cincinnati to the confluence of the
Speaker 2: Ohio and Mississippi, which goes southwest. And then once I
Speaker 2: got on the Mississippi, which was about I think somewhere
Speaker 2: around October the first right, I made it onto the
Speaker 2: Mississippi River, and I paddled to Memphis from there, and
Speaker 2: I met with my friend David. He lives in New Orleans,
Speaker 2: so he's paddling with me from Memphis all the way
Speaker 2: to New Orleans.
Speaker 1: So you are gonna you are going to land in
Speaker 1: New Orleans. Then are you gonna drop David off.
Speaker 2: Uh, David's gonna go back to his his daily life,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to keep on going. One thing is
Speaker 2: I have to come home for a doctor's appointment, So
Speaker 2: I gotta I got Once I get to New Orleans,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna drive back to Cincinnati see the doctor, and
Speaker 2: then drive back to New Orleans and get all my way.
Speaker 1: All right, was this like a planned doctor's appointment?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I have to return to the doctor every three months unfortunately.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that kind of that kind of makes the
Speaker 1: trip a little bit longer.
Speaker 2: But you just a little bit. Yeah, I'm doing fairly well.
Speaker 2: I'm actually rolling at probably twenty averaging with all the
Speaker 2: days off that I've taken. I'm averaging twenty to twenty
Speaker 2: one month a day.
Speaker 1: So you say a day off, what do you do
Speaker 1: on a day off? Do you find a place to recoup?
Speaker 1: I know that a lot of people leave you. You've
Speaker 1: told me that a lot of people on the journey
Speaker 1: know what you're doing and have been following you. And
Speaker 1: it's hard to get back up on the river sometimes
Speaker 1: because these people want to take you in and treat
Speaker 1: you like their little pet or something.
Speaker 4: Like a pet.
Speaker 2: You know, to be honest with you, I've stayed on
Speaker 2: the water pretty much the whole time. There may have
Speaker 2: been a couple times, two or three times I got
Speaker 2: out and went to either a hotel or somebody's house,
Speaker 2: But for the most part, I've been on the river.
Speaker 2: On the river. On a day off, I get to
Speaker 2: organizing all my stuff and trying to clean the sand
Speaker 2: off of everything, because everything does get caked with sand.
Speaker 2: I bet uh So, Yeah, on a day off, you're
Speaker 2: doing things. We hung out in Natchez for a while,
Speaker 2: got to meet the mayor of Idelia, which is there
Speaker 2: across the river from Natchez. Dave and I called it
Speaker 2: Shanghai in Natchez.
Speaker 4: Because we were stuck there for like.
Speaker 2: Four days and river angels were passing us off to
Speaker 2: other river angels and it was just a really good
Speaker 2: time and kind of held us back a few days.
Speaker 2: But now we're back at it again, and we're probably
Speaker 2: I don't know, some forty five to fifty miles just
Speaker 2: north of Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
Speaker 1: The Red Stick. You know what I would ask you Normally,
Speaker 1: if I knew somebody was going to Louisiana, I would
Speaker 1: ask for them to bring me back some budhang, but
Speaker 1: it's not really not really something you can do.
Speaker 2: That is something I can do next month on the
Speaker 2: sometime during the day on the twelve, I can get
Speaker 2: that to you. You just share me your contact info
Speaker 2: when we get off the station, and I'll make sure
Speaker 2: that I'll bring some boudan to you.
Speaker 1: Have you Have you ever had budan?
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I have, and it's probably the best sauce
Speaker 2: that you can ever eat. And like I said, I'm
Speaker 2: a man of my word. I'll put a kooler together
Speaker 2: and get some budhan, do you.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, maybe I'll uh, maybe I'll go to
Speaker 1: maybe I'll go to kayakingfor acause dot com and I'll
Speaker 1: provide the funds so you can pick it up easily
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can do that for you. Is there
Speaker 2: anything else from New Orleans that you just love that
Speaker 2: you need?
Speaker 1: No, not especially. I mean, I'm a big fan of
Speaker 1: gumbo and uh and I love Cajun and Creole cooking.
Speaker 1: But that's fine. If if I can get a roll
Speaker 1: of budant out of this, it'll be a bargain for me.
Speaker 1: I got you, all right, fantastic, So from New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Then you're going to drive back to your doctor's appointment
Speaker 1: and then drive back down right, Yes, sir, okay? And
Speaker 1: does the kayak stay in New Orleans or how does
Speaker 1: that happen?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the kayak and all my gears is going to
Speaker 2: stay in New Orleans. I have a secure place to
Speaker 2: put it kind of why, Like I wasn't supposed to
Speaker 2: go to the doctor till the end of the month,
Speaker 2: but I have a secure place right now. So I'm
Speaker 2: gonna just, you know, kind of hold up a couple
Speaker 2: of days in New Orleans and enjoy myself and then
Speaker 2: drive home and then drive right back.
Speaker 1: All right, I got you. What's what's been? Has there
Speaker 1: been another tough part of the trip so far for you?
Speaker 1: I mean, all of it sounds pretty grueling to me, but.
Speaker 2: Uh, just I would say the toughest thing is the
Speaker 2: Mississippi River. Water levels are extremely low right now, okay,
Speaker 2: And with them being so low, there's not a lot
Speaker 2: of rooms for the kayak and barges to make pass
Speaker 2: while going down the river. So a lot of times
Speaker 2: we have to stay clear of the channel because of
Speaker 2: the barges, and that's it's hard for them, and it's
Speaker 2: hard for us, but we've remained in constant contact with
Speaker 2: all barge operators to make sure they know where we're
Speaker 2: at and and you know, know of a safe place
Speaker 2: that we can stay or or b But when you
Speaker 2: go behind the movies, it's all flackwaters, so you slow down,
Speaker 2: and some days we won't get the kind of miles
Speaker 2: we really want to get in that day because we're
Speaker 2: slowed up by by traffic. And with these low water levels,
Speaker 2: commerce in the United States is going to suffer, you know,
Speaker 2: from from the the levels of the water being so low.
Speaker 1: How did you How did you train for this physically?
Speaker 1: I mean, because this is like running a marathon every
Speaker 1: day in a boat.
Speaker 2: To me, well, I've got a lot of muscle memory
Speaker 2: in my body. I between twenty eighteen and or yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen and twenty twenty two, I've paddled well over
Speaker 2: seven thousand miles. So by doing that, I really don't
Speaker 2: have to, like, you know, work out every single day
Speaker 2: or prepare too much. I always know that the first
Speaker 2: two weeks are going to be growing for me, and
Speaker 2: then after that my body will be used to it
Speaker 2: and I can just keep on going.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of it seems like a lot of
Speaker 1: work to me, Joe.
Speaker 2: It is, but you know, it is a lot of work.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know, we're I'm able
Speaker 2: to raise awareness for mental health to a lot of people,
Speaker 2: and it's been very, very good to us.
Speaker 1: You know, some people might be some people might question
Speaker 1: your mental health doing something like this.
Speaker 2: Hello, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm still here. We're navigating with
Speaker 2: a barge right now, so I'm just trying to pay attention.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean some may question my mental health. I don't
Speaker 2: because I know what I'm capable of and what I
Speaker 2: can handle. And and this is you know, I've had
Speaker 2: a near death experience in my life and it had
Speaker 2: a profound change on my life to a point where
Speaker 2: I've realized that I had this incredible strength to be
Speaker 2: able to do this. So why not go out and
Speaker 2: raise awareness and get people talking about mental health and
Speaker 2: in a beautiful environment, because the Mississippi and the Ohio
Speaker 2: rivers are both beautiful, absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 1: I would agree with you. So the next step when
Speaker 1: you get back to New Orleans and you get back
Speaker 1: in the kayak is to make your way east. Right.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's some portageing I have to do in New
Speaker 2: Orleans because the lock to get to the Inner Coastal
Speaker 2: Waterway is not operational right now, I don't think because
Speaker 2: of the water levels. So I'm gonna take buy you
Speaker 2: Saint John and then do do the oldest portage in
Speaker 2: in in America and and actually walk walk my boat
Speaker 2: through to the other side so that I can get
Speaker 2: into the Inner Coastal Waterway.
Speaker 1: Well, that's not an easy feed either, walk in your
Speaker 1: kayak because you've got all that equipment on it.
Speaker 2: Well, I've got I've got a set of wheels that
Speaker 2: I can put in the mid to back end of
Speaker 2: the kayak and pick it up and walk with it.
Speaker 1: That's that's amazing. So from there you get on, you
Speaker 1: get on the Inner Coastal and you're going through Alabama
Speaker 1: and you go all the way into Florida. Right.
Speaker 2: Uh, yes, I will be in Florida all winter long.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, that makes sense. You don't want to. You
Speaker 1: don't want to. You don't want to be kayaking up
Speaker 1: the Eastern Seaboard in the middle of winter.
Speaker 2: No, No, it's not very long. They're from New Orleans
Speaker 2: to the Panhandle of Florida. It's not a vast great distance.
Speaker 2: It's uh, you go to Mississippi for a little bit,
Speaker 2: in Alabama for a little bit, and then you're in
Speaker 2: the the uh or you're in the panhandle of Florida.
Speaker 2: It's gonna get cold on me. I already know it.
Speaker 2: I've got the year to be able to handle that chill. Uh.
Speaker 2: But yeah, pretty much. So keep on moving east and
Speaker 2: then go south around the tip of Florida this winter.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, so you're going You're going all the way
Speaker 1: down to like get around around Miami and then back
Speaker 1: up the Florida coast. Yeah, that's absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know a lot of people that
Speaker 2: paddle that whole state.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: There's like a Facebook group I believe that that has
Speaker 2: a bunch of paddlers that do, particularly what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: A lot of the great Loopers will cut through Lake Okatobe.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna skip that and just add a couple hundred
Speaker 2: more miles and go around.
Speaker 3: The tip of the state.
Speaker 1: Well, you said that you were you were streaming a
Speaker 1: lot of this. Where where can people find that? Joseph Solomon, Uh.
Speaker 2: If you look me up, Joseph Solomon with the Cincinnati
Speaker 2: behind it, it'll all pop up. If you look up
Speaker 2: just Joseph Solomon, you won't find me because there's an
Speaker 2: artist that's got the same last name, but it's not me.
Speaker 2: Joseph Joseph Solomon, Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Then you're gonna find me s O. L O MO
Speaker 1: N Solomon, corect And make sure you put the Cincinnati
Speaker 1: behind and you can catch some of Joseph's adventures as
Speaker 1: he continues to kayak paddle the Great American Loop from
Speaker 1: Cincinnati prayerfully back to back to Cincinnati. Joseph, thank you
Speaker 1: for taking time and for a dodging death and danger
Speaker 1: talking to me while you're out on the river. I
Speaker 1: I appreciate your time, and let's make plans to check
Speaker 1: back in soon.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, check out with me about that bootand too.
Speaker 2: I'll be I'm about a week out and I'll be
Speaker 2: carrying it.
Speaker 1: Back with me, all right, you got it?
Speaker 2: All right? Well, have a good day.
Speaker 1: Hey you too. Kayaking for a Cause dot com If
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Speaker 1: it's the Nightcap on this on Monday night, October twenty seventh,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, Gary Jeffers. We continue this evening our
Speaker 1: next guest, most notably was a speech writer from Margaret Thatcher,
Speaker 1: the great British Prime Minister, who was a beacon of
Speaker 1: freedom in the world and in a country that has
Speaker 1: obviously had their political issues ever since Margaret Thatcher left
Speaker 1: the stage for a number of reasons. But he is
Speaker 1: a geopolitical expert, and he is our geopolitical expert in
Speaker 1: this segment. Would you please welcome Jeff Gilson, Jeff, good evening.
Speaker 1: How are you.
Speaker 5: I'm fine, Thank you guy for having me. Happy to
Speaker 5: be here.
Speaker 1: You know, before we get into the meat and bones
Speaker 1: of what is going on currently on the political stage,
Speaker 1: I did want to ask you from historical perspective, because
Speaker 1: I was alive and fairly political aware in my twenties
Speaker 1: of the great Margaret Thatcher, the woman some named the
Speaker 1: Iron Lady. I know that she was good good friends
Speaker 1: with President Ronald Reagan, whom I had the pleasure of
Speaker 1: voting for twice early on in life. What was it
Speaker 1: like and what was your interaction like with the Prime
Speaker 1: Minister when you were writing speeches for her and working
Speaker 1: with her?
Speaker 5: Well, I helped to write speeches for her early on
Speaker 5: in her career in the mid seventies, when she was
Speaker 5: first running for the leadership of the Conservative Party. And
Speaker 5: the thing that it's very difficult to understand at this
Speaker 5: passage of time, almost fifty years ago, is that when
Speaker 5: she ran for the leadership of the Conservative Party in
Speaker 5: nineteen seventy five, she was a rank outsider. She was
Speaker 5: Susan by no means the natural next leader of the
Speaker 5: Conservative Party, so she didn't have all that many connections
Speaker 5: within the main establishment of the party and had to
Speaker 5: have a platform outside of the party mainstream in order
Speaker 5: to launch her being for the leadership. And that's the
Speaker 5: association I hang with her in those early days, helping
Speaker 5: to write speeches for her through a group called the
Speaker 5: Selstone Group. She was at first actually kind of nervous
Speaker 5: about power and grew into the role very considerably during
Speaker 5: the eighties. As a matter of trivia, one of the
Speaker 5: things based people don't realize is how small she was.
Speaker 5: She was only five foot fall and that was the
Speaker 5: first thing. But she exuded power wherever she went, and
Speaker 5: this is one of the reasons she still as stride
Speaker 5: Great Britain in the eighties was that most of the
Speaker 5: private school educated men in her cabinet simply could not
Speaker 5: or would not stand up to her. One of the
Speaker 5: things I learned personally in an interaction with her is
Speaker 5: that she really appreciated people who challenged her, and that
Speaker 5: was that was probably the most important thing. She rode roughshod.
Speaker 5: She was a strong leader, but she really really enjoyed
Speaker 5: a good challenge, and some of the most some of
Speaker 5: my greatest friendships within her cabinet were both people she
Speaker 5: did not agree with politically because they had the chaspa
Speaker 5: to challenge her.
Speaker 1: Huh, well, that's amazing that you mentioned she was only
Speaker 1: five feet tall. In no way did she ever appear
Speaker 1: that diminutive if you saw her speaking as Prime Minister
Speaker 1: of Great Britain in the eighties. She had such a
Speaker 1: towering personality that it more than made up for her
Speaker 1: for her lack of vertical prowess. So that being said,
Speaker 1: and you said she was kind of an outsider outside
Speaker 1: of the Conservative Party, would you would you relate President
Speaker 1: Trump the same way in twenty fifteen when he came
Speaker 1: down the escalator.
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean it's very interesting. The other thing about
Speaker 5: Margaret Thatcher is that although she went to Oxford, she
Speaker 5: was man of Cambridge where were the other Oxford Cambridge.
Speaker 5: She was not from an upper class background. Her father
Speaker 5: was a grocer in East in eastern England. She came
Speaker 5: from a very simple background and worked her way up
Speaker 5: to the top. Trump didn't exactly come from a poor ground,
Speaker 5: but he was not a natural politician. And I think
Speaker 5: that Margaret Thatcher would see a lot of commonality in
Speaker 5: Donald Trump and absolutely compared it to his inter relations
Speaker 5: with some of the world's leaders at the moment. She
Speaker 5: would find him interesting, but she wouldn't break down. She
Speaker 5: would she would have what we call frank and honest
Speaker 5: conversations with him. She was a firecracker, but she would
Speaker 5: find a lot of common ground with Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: It was amazing. And you talk about Donald Trump's relationship
Speaker 1: with the other leaders around the world and how important
Speaker 1: that has been, especially here in the second Trump term,
Speaker 1: And what did you find most I don't know if
Speaker 1: genius is the word, but what was the most important
Speaker 1: part of President Trump putting together this Middle East peace deal?
Speaker 1: As he did it literally piece by piece, country by country,
Speaker 1: getting other countries on board, say, for example, for the
Speaker 1: strikes on Iran to isolate Iran and then finally set
Speaker 1: up this ceasefire, this tenuous ceasefire between Hamas and Israel.
Speaker 5: Well, this again is an interesting parallel between Margaret Thatcher
Speaker 5: and Donald Trump, because Margaret Thatcher in nineteen seventy five
Speaker 5: was not at the center of the Conservative Party and
Speaker 5: was seen as an outsider. She tried very hard in
Speaker 5: her administration to have a broad based cabinet with points
Speaker 5: to view for more parts of the party, and it
Speaker 5: wasn't a disaster, but it wasn't an overriding success. In
Speaker 5: her second administration, starting in nineteen eighty three, she said
Speaker 5: enough of that. I want around me people who agree
Speaker 5: with me, people I can trust to you not to
Speaker 5: goof off when I leave the room. And it was
Speaker 5: very different. Same thing with Trump. Trump's first term, he
Speaker 5: tried really hard, as an outsider, as a non politician,
Speaker 5: to listen to those people whispering to him that he
Speaker 5: really needed a broad based government.
Speaker 7: And it was a disaster.
Speaker 5: And what he achieved wasn't a disaster, but it was
Speaker 5: very difficult to achieve what he achieved with the economy
Speaker 5: and for example, with the Abraham Accords. Second time around,
Speaker 5: he's not done that. He's got people around him who
Speaker 5: are loyal, people who understands, people who are on the
Speaker 5: same page. And the most important thing is that he
Speaker 5: found his footing in dealing with foreign affairs. What he
Speaker 5: has always been interesting, what he is about, first and foremost,
Speaker 5: he's not being a politician, but as being a deal maker.
Speaker 5: He's not a diplomat, he's not a politician. He's not
Speaker 5: interested in waiving social justice and human rights. What he's
Speaker 5: interested in is putting America first and doing deals around
Speaker 5: the world, business deals that are good for America. And
Speaker 5: that's been his approach to Ukraine and Gaza. He stands
Speaker 5: there and says, I do not understand the history of
Speaker 5: these fights. I don't want to understand how it goes
Speaker 5: back hundreds of years. There is no reason to be fighting,
Speaker 5: and everybody is losing out on great business opportunities, which
Speaker 5: are what help people. At the end of the day,
Speaker 5: I want American business back in Moscow. I want the
Speaker 5: Russian people to benefit.
Speaker 7: I want.
Speaker 5: American business benefiting in Ukraine, and I want American business
Speaker 5: benefiting a united Middle East economic community, which should include
Speaker 5: the Palistine Aribs. That's not going to happen with the fighting.
Speaker 5: The first thing we need to do is stopped the fighting.
Speaker 5: And what he has employed in both Ukraine and Gaza
Speaker 5: is fell making tactics where basically you ask two questions,
Speaker 5: what do you want what do you want to avoid? Well,
Speaker 5: what about history?
Speaker 7: I don't care about history? What do you want?
Speaker 5: And what do you want to avoid? And he uses
Speaker 5: three things, leverage, threat, and public performance. And he tried
Speaker 5: it out first of all in Ukraine with the anchorage
Speaker 5: meeting with Putin and Zolenski meeting with him later and
Speaker 5: got them to accept they were not each of them
Speaker 5: going to get everything that they wanted. Then he left
Speaker 5: the room and the children started goofing off, and he
Speaker 5: went off to deal with Gaza. In Gaza, he learned
Speaker 5: his lesson and he made absolutely certain that he would
Speaker 5: stop the fighting with phases with what do you want?
Speaker 7: What do you want to avoid?
Speaker 5: But then he made sure he had a big public
Speaker 5: performance in Charmel. Schek invited Europeans, invited all of the
Speaker 5: air donations and say you are invested in this as
Speaker 5: much as I am, so no goofing off. Now he's
Speaker 5: gone back to Ukraine and he's employing the same tactics.
Speaker 5: And when Selensky went to the meeting about a week
Speaker 5: ago in the White House.
Speaker 7: Everyone was saying, well, he's going to get.
Speaker 5: Tomahawk missiles, and I was one of the few people
Speaker 5: that said, no, he's not. This is a come to
Speaker 5: Jesus moment for Zelensky when Trump is going to turn
Speaker 5: around and say I cut my eye off, took my
Speaker 5: eye off the board, and trusted you and Putin to
Speaker 5: sort out the details of what we'd agreed, and you
Speaker 5: Zelensky went running around Europe trying to back out of
Speaker 5: the deal, and Putin tried to get more land. That's
Speaker 5: going to stop. No, you're not getting Tomahawk crew's missiles
Speaker 5: because it will escalate and you need to accept what
Speaker 5: we have on the ground is what is going to happen.
Speaker 5: So the genius, if you like that he brought to
Speaker 5: the deal making in Ukraine and Gaza is this is
Speaker 5: a business deal. It's not a peace deal or a
Speaker 5: diplomatic agreement. It's a business steel and that's why it's working.
Speaker 1: Jeff Gilson, can you imagine someday, say ten years from now,
Speaker 1: if that coastline in Gaza is really the beautiful, sparkling
Speaker 1: jewel of the Middle East. Because President Trump was able
Speaker 1: to bring that piece through business and through common sense
Speaker 1: with all these other Middle Eastern countries. He went to UAE,
Speaker 1: went to Cutter, he went to Saudi Arabia, he went
Speaker 1: to all of the other players in this area, all
Speaker 1: the other neighbors of Israel, and got their acquiescence and saying, yes,
Speaker 1: we want, we want this pro business model of free
Speaker 1: trade and of peace without all the bloodshed, because it
Speaker 1: makes the most economic sense for everyone involved, including the Palestinians.
Speaker 1: But can you imagine that day when there are just
Speaker 1: beautiful hotels and resorts. Do you think that will ever
Speaker 1: happen in the Gaza strip.
Speaker 7: That's only exactly how it will happen.
Speaker 5: But although that chunter is very, very business and that's
Speaker 5: what he wants to do, he's not a man without
Speaker 5: a heart. Anybody who's seen him interact personally with people
Speaker 5: knows that he's not without a heart. What he's not
Speaker 5: prepared to put him I hope I can use initials
Speaker 5: BS on your show.
Speaker 7: He's not prepared to put up with BS.
Speaker 5: And he says that to everyone, whoever they are. That's
Speaker 5: why he had net An Yahu in the White House
Speaker 5: personally apologizing to Qatar. As he sat he said, no,
Speaker 5: you're going to make that tin of a call right now,
Speaker 5: right now, while I'm sitting here, I'm putting you in
Speaker 5: your place. I think that he is aiming for a
Speaker 5: situation where the Palestinian Arab problem is out of the way,
Speaker 5: but not Palestinian Arabs.
Speaker 7: He is well aware that.
Speaker 5: Whether through their poor leadership or whatever, the party that's
Speaker 5: come off the worst in all this are the ordinary
Speaker 5: Palestinian Arab people. And what I think he really wants
Speaker 5: to see happen is the fighting stop and the land
Speaker 5: of Gaza made better for the Palestinian Arab people. And
Speaker 5: in our regard, I think he's going to turn around
Speaker 5: to Qatar and the Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia said
Speaker 5: when I've done the deal on the fighting stops, and
Speaker 5: I pushed back on Israel and we have no more
Speaker 5: fighting in that area. I am looking to you guys,
Speaker 5: with your trillions of dollars or sovereign world funds, to
Speaker 5: open up the purses and help these people rebuild. You
Speaker 5: don't get to turn your back on it is may
Speaker 5: not all you know, you'll get some hotels and so on,
Speaker 5: but you will also help these people rebuild their country.
Speaker 5: So I think we will see a rebirth of Gaza.
Speaker 5: But I think there will be some humanity there as
Speaker 5: well as business, because I think that's what Trump is
Speaker 5: looking for.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, you know, arising a rising tide sol boats Jeff.
Speaker 1: And yes, if he can convince these people that that.
Speaker 1: And by the way, BS, you are more economical with
Speaker 1: words than I do. I am because of FCC rules,
Speaker 1: I always say male bovine fecal samples, but BBS is
Speaker 1: much more succinct. You're right. Also, I wanted to well,
Speaker 1: just among the backdrop of what we're talking about in
Speaker 1: the leadership that President Trump has shown on the world
Speaker 1: stage in these matters, do you find it ironic that,
Speaker 1: at the same time President Trump not only is clearly
Speaker 1: the leader of the Republican party in this country, but
Speaker 1: the leader of the free world, the Democrats are struggling
Speaker 1: to find a leader for their party at all, and
Speaker 1: they're just kind of listless and without direction.
Speaker 5: Yes, I'll be honest with you. By nature, I would
Speaker 5: describe myself as a Democrat, but by Republican frame. Laugh
Speaker 5: and saying not really. What has happened is in the
Speaker 5: last thirty years, the Democrats have very considerably lost their way.
Speaker 5: If you look at the Democrat Party now, this is
Speaker 5: not the Democrat Party of Jack Kennedy or even Bobby
Speaker 5: Kennedy or even Bobby Kennedy Jr. It is just not
Speaker 5: the same Democrat Party. It has lost its way. It
Speaker 5: no longer works and acts for working people. MAGA is
Speaker 5: more for working people than the Democrats.
Speaker 7: They've lost a lot.
Speaker 5: Of time and effort in social engineering fantasy, and it
Speaker 5: has put off a lot of people like me and
Speaker 5: people like me and actually a little cast a drift.
Speaker 5: We are much more likely to look out at the
Speaker 5: world and be honest about what we see. I don't
Speaker 5: agree with everything Trump does, but there's an awful lot
Speaker 5: more for the disagreement.
Speaker 7: About the Democrats.
Speaker 5: The Democrat Party at the moment is a party that
Speaker 5: is lost. And it doesn't surprise me that it cannot
Speaker 5: find a unified message or a to unite behind because
Speaker 5: it's totally split. I think the twenty eight Democratic primary
Speaker 5: race is going to be a blood first.
Speaker 1: Oh, no question about that. And my my whole question,
Speaker 1: Jeff Gilson is uh, does a common sense Democrat, say
Speaker 1: someone like in your image of what a Democrat is
Speaker 1: or used to be, like a John Fetterman. Does he somehow?
Speaker 1: Does he somehow rise above the growing Marxist move within
Speaker 1: the Democrat Party.
Speaker 5: It's hard to say. The Democrat Party in its primary
Speaker 5: stages the activists has always been somewhat left wing. It's
Speaker 5: kind of surprising that Biden managed to rise. And Biden
Speaker 5: isn't Biden wasn't a rabid left winger. It's kind of
Speaker 5: surprisingly erose Obama the saying sometimes the Democrat Party will
Speaker 5: get a hold of itself and try and bring a
Speaker 5: centrist type leader to the foe. I think those days
Speaker 5: are gone. I read an eclectic number of media outlets
Speaker 5: and get subscriptions and so on and everything that I'm
Speaker 5: hearing from internally within the Democratic activist basis, their teeth
Speaker 5: are set, and they really want to see somebody like
Speaker 5: a Newsome, even AOC, become the Democratic presidential candidate in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Newsom has got some definite problems with authenticity, and we
Speaker 1: just do as I say, not as I do, kind
Speaker 1: of things that the voters hopefully will remember when they
Speaker 1: go and cast their ballots. If say, Agavin Newsom is
Speaker 1: on that ballot or in a primary. I just there's
Speaker 1: just a lack of real to what's going on right
Speaker 1: now within the Democrat Party, whether it's the Marxist left wing.
Speaker 1: Is Aron Mondani pie in the sky, you know, taking
Speaker 1: over the means of production and Marxism and AOC who
Speaker 1: really it strikes me as odd that she actually graduated
Speaker 1: from anywhere when I hear her speak. And Gavin Newsom,
Speaker 1: the famous French laundryman, who's you know, out out and about.
Speaker 1: When he's telling people to stay cloistered in their homes
Speaker 1: and wear masks. You know, people are not going to
Speaker 1: forget that.
Speaker 7: I hope no.
Speaker 5: I mean I some things are easy, Gary, something's aren't.
Speaker 7: Let's take the easy things.
Speaker 5: Could I vote for jdvanswer twenty eight Yes. Could I
Speaker 5: vote AOC? Not a chance? Would I vote ever? Knew
Speaker 5: some not a chance? People who describe themselves as democratic socialists.
Speaker 5: I joke about this in some ways. It's probably a
Speaker 5: bad joke, but I joke about it anyway. I said,
Speaker 5: putting words in front of the words socialism does not
Speaker 5: qualify it. If you are a socialist you're a socialist,
Speaker 5: then you're a democratic socialist. Doesn't qualify Go and read
Speaker 5: the Democratic Charter. I did because I did my homework,
Speaker 5: and you're absolutely right, right into the means of production,
Speaker 5: the green, the green, the green, the New Green Deal
Speaker 5: and everyone why you know it's it's wearing our hearts sleeves.
Speaker 5: We like fairly teddy bears. We want to preserve the environment.
Speaker 5: I said, go in and read it. Read the last
Speaker 5: two clauses. It's got nothing to do with fuzzy wuzzy
Speaker 5: save the environment. It talks about community ownership of the
Speaker 5: means of production in order to save the environment.
Speaker 7: Was uppish.
Speaker 5: I grew up in Great Britain, I mean, your listeners
Speaker 5: right now, Army attaction, American citizen, but I was born
Speaker 5: and raised born in the United States Air Force base
Speaker 5: in England and raised there. And in the nineteen seventies
Speaker 5: we had socialists in Great Britain and they almost destroyed
Speaker 5: the country and it took Margaret Thatcher to rescue it.
Speaker 1: Jeff Gilson, thank you so much for your time. Ours
Speaker 1: is sadly gone, but I appreciate it so much. As
Speaker 1: we get into another hour of the nightcap here on
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW joining us now a first time guest
Speaker 1: of Mind, but he's been on the scene for literally
Speaker 1: decades now. He is the president of the David Horowitz
Speaker 1: Freedom Center, and he has a brand new book out
Speaker 1: which is a collection of essays about the enduring spirit
Speaker 1: of America, our liberty, our land, our hopes, our memories,
Speaker 1: our faith, and the beauty of our culture that we
Speaker 1: seek to restore. It's not all gone yet. It hasn't
Speaker 1: all been torn down like a Civil War statue somewhere
Speaker 1: in the mid South. That it is still there. The
Speaker 1: heartbeat of what this country is all about is still beating,
Speaker 1: many would say, and maybe our guest will say, it's
Speaker 1: been on life support for a time, but it's back
Speaker 1: and beating stronger than I believe it hasn't a long time.
Speaker 1: We'll get our guest reads. Michael Finch, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: How are you.
Speaker 8: I'm doing great, Grey, Thank you again for having me on.
Speaker 8: It's a real honor. Hello Cincinnati, and looking forward to
Speaker 8: talking about the book and this wonderful, incredible, beautiful country
Speaker 8: and culture and history that we have.
Speaker 1: How did you get associated originally with the David Horowitz
Speaker 1: Freedom Center, Michael tell me about.
Speaker 3: That they've been working. Yeah, I've been working. I had work.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 8: David just passed away earlier this year, right were said
Speaker 8: saying we miss him greatly. I started working for David
Speaker 8: almost twenty three years ago. I had been working for
Speaker 8: the Claremont Institute. Larry arn who now runs Hillsdale College,
Speaker 8: was the president of the Claremont Institute back then. I
Speaker 8: worked for Larry for a few years and he left
Speaker 8: for Hillsdale, and there's some changes, and I had the opportunity.
Speaker 8: I got interviewed by David twenty three years ago, and
Speaker 8: it was kind of love at first, I guess. I
Speaker 8: worked side by side with David for over twenty years,
Speaker 8: learned a lot, very interesting and challenging, and I'm very grateful.
Speaker 3: I had all those years with David.
Speaker 8: It was a remarkable experience, and we're keeping the mission
Speaker 8: keeping his legacy alive so into the next twenty years,
Speaker 8: I hope. But it was a great experience.
Speaker 1: I had the pleasure of interviewing mister Horowitz on numerous occasions,
Speaker 1: and the thing that challenged me as a talk show
Speaker 1: host was the demand never stopped talking, and it was
Speaker 1: really hard to it was really hard to get another
Speaker 1: question in edge waise you were talking to David Horowitz.
Speaker 8: But well, I never had the pleasure of interviewing him,
Speaker 8: but we spoke on the phone at least a couple
Speaker 8: of times a day, and they were usually kind of
Speaker 8: one way conversation.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is what we need to do.
Speaker 8: And David was incredibly passionate, and he was a force.
Speaker 8: And he's left a huge vacuum obviously, but he had
Speaker 8: so much that he wanted to teach to us, to
Speaker 8: citizens about how dangerous the left is about politics and
Speaker 8: life in general. That you know, sometimes you just sit
Speaker 8: and kind of listen. David would always get his point
Speaker 8: across very forcefully. Sometimes that's how passionate he was about
Speaker 8: defending America.
Speaker 1: What has called you? You think to spend your life
Speaker 1: working with these nonprofits and these conservative groups you mentioned
Speaker 1: the Claremont Institute now president of the David Horowitz Freedom Center.
Speaker 1: What motivates Michael Finch to do what he does?
Speaker 8: Well, No, I've been I've loved the history and America
Speaker 8: and politics. I loved it, you know, And unlike David,
Speaker 8: I was conservative at per so. I guess someone says,
Speaker 8: if you grow when you grow up, you're a liberal
Speaker 8: and then you become a conservative, or if you have
Speaker 8: a heart or something like that. Maybe I was heartless.
Speaker 8: I was a conservative from day one, but I had
Speaker 8: a passion for America. And it sounds corny, but you know,
Speaker 8: wanting to make a difference. I always wanted to make
Speaker 8: a difference. And to be able to do this, I
Speaker 8: have to say, Gary, to be able to do this
Speaker 8: as a career, I'm incredibly blessed because I've spent pretty
Speaker 8: much my whole life in this kind of arena. I'm
Speaker 8: over sixty years old, and you know, this is to say,
Speaker 8: this is a job to wake up every day and
Speaker 8: to do everything I can to help the Center, to
Speaker 8: help the different organizations I've worked for, and to be
Speaker 8: able to have the freedom to be able to write
Speaker 8: and speak and to say, you know, I think David
Speaker 8: made a huge difference. Obviously the Larry arn't in that
Speaker 8: group at the Claremont and made a huge difference. So
Speaker 8: to be able to just play a part in that,
Speaker 8: I'm incredibly blessed. So this is my career and I
Speaker 8: would feel, you know, I don't know how long you've
Speaker 8: been doing radio, but I would probably feel you feel
Speaker 8: the same way to say, this is my job is
Speaker 8: to kind of talk about these issues and to have
Speaker 8: the freedom to say what you want to say, and
Speaker 8: people listen, and you have an impact on people's lives
Speaker 8: and talk radio and I'd like to think for my
Speaker 8: part that I've had an impact and kind of restoring
Speaker 8: the greatness of this country from all my years working
Speaker 8: for nonprofits.
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty eight and a half years doing talk radio
Speaker 1: and about forty five in the business being on the air.
Speaker 3: So wonderful. Yeah, thank you for all you do.
Speaker 1: Really, And it's funny you say you were born a conservative.
Speaker 1: I think I was born with a microphone in front
Speaker 1: of my face. And from the time I was seven
Speaker 1: years old, I wanted to do this, and I got
Speaker 1: the chance at nineteen and I've just never stopped anyway,
Speaker 1: Michael Finch, let's talk a little bit about time to
Speaker 1: stand and I want to do some compare and contrast
Speaker 1: of what these essays illustrate about what America is and
Speaker 1: what we have to lose and what we should hold
Speaker 1: on to compared to what's going on in this country today.
Speaker 1: Let's say, let's say, how, for example, give me a
Speaker 1: clear distinction between a zoron Mom, Donnie and what you're
Speaker 1: write about in time to stand about what's important.
Speaker 8: Well, first, you know, look, I mean we're you know,
Speaker 8: we're We're a great republic. We have freedom, we have liberty,
Speaker 8: and that's what makes America unique, aspirational and special. Right,
Speaker 8: I mean, America I think stands out. It's a shining
Speaker 8: city on the hill. We have you know, the founders
Speaker 8: created an incredible government that has survived for a couple
Speaker 8: hundred years because.
Speaker 3: We have liberty. Right, we have liberty.
Speaker 8: We have So Mandani is he's first of all, he's
Speaker 8: I don't know if he calls uf a socialist or
Speaker 8: a communist. I'm not going to even split the difference.
Speaker 8: To me, he's a communist and he's a I don't know,
Speaker 8: I don't know if he said that he believes in
Speaker 8: Shria law. He embraced the nine to eleven Imom who
Speaker 8: talked things that make Reverend Right look like a Love
Speaker 8: America preacher. So he's kind of in that arm.
Speaker 3: David called it the.
Speaker 8: Unholy alliance of radical Islam and the radical left, and
Speaker 8: that is a force that we are fighting across the
Speaker 8: board in American around the world. And he kind of
Speaker 8: epitomizes both of those. He's certainly, you know, a socialist
Speaker 8: slash communist, whatever you want to call it economically, but
Speaker 8: he's also he's very He's made some very anti israel comments,
Speaker 8: anti Semitic comments, and you know, he embraces a philosophy
Speaker 8: that is, I think, the complete opposite of what America represents.
Speaker 8: That doesn't mean he doesn't have a right. I mean,
Speaker 8: we could argue that if he believes in Shria law,
Speaker 8: then how does he take an oath to defend the constitution.
Speaker 8: The two are incompatible. But he's got a right to
Speaker 8: run for office. And look, I mean, New York may
Speaker 8: get what they deserve if they vote for him. Unfortunately,
Speaker 8: New York is the financial capital of the country, perhaps
Speaker 8: financial capital of the world. So it's very dangerous. I
Speaker 8: think there's a huge, huge danger in him becoming mayor.
Speaker 8: But the country split. I mean, the radical left has
Speaker 8: completely taken over the Democrat Party. We see a lot
Speaker 8: of people of his philosophy in the Democrat Party and
Speaker 8: that's a danger to the country.
Speaker 3: We just go ahead.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Mike.
Speaker 1: I don't Michael, I don't see the division that keeps
Speaker 1: on being brought up on the media all the time
Speaker 1: when I'm out and about maybe it's maybe I'm just
Speaker 1: moving in my own little bubble. But among most people,
Speaker 1: the term common sense dictates, and most people are still
Speaker 1: attuned to living by the the tenets of common sense
Speaker 1: when it comes to a lot of these issues. And
Speaker 1: I just don't see the division in my day to
Speaker 1: day life. And I'm in different groups of people all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 8: Well, you're right, I mean, if the look, I mean,
Speaker 8: Donald Trump won twice, arguably three times. But you know,
Speaker 8: we won't get into that conversation the majority of Americans.
Speaker 8: And you're in Ohio, which is a red state. But
Speaker 8: you know what is California thinking it's got a far
Speaker 8: left legislature. Gavin Newsom is actually moderate compared to the
Speaker 8: members of the legislature in Sacramento. So New York, I mean,
Speaker 8: we know where in New York. Look at the governor
Speaker 8: of New York just north of you, the governor of Michigan.
Speaker 8: Michigan's had some good governors. I'm originally from Chicago, Illinois,
Speaker 8: so Illinois politics. You know, it moved to California to
Speaker 8: actually probably get better politics. And it's a little prettier
Speaker 8: in the climate's better. But there are parts of the
Speaker 8: country that are following. And look at some of the
Speaker 8: cities Portland, Minneapolis, Chicago. I mean, these cities are falling apart. Now,
Speaker 8: not every city's falling apart, but cities that follow this
Speaker 8: ideology are collapsing. I don't get it either. I feel
Speaker 8: very strongly that there's a turn in this country. President
Speaker 8: Trump was reaching people that had been Democrats for their
Speaker 8: whole lives. It's changing, and I think he's had a
Speaker 8: huge impact. He certainly has transformed the Republican Party and
Speaker 8: he's reaching a lot of the working class Democrats that
Speaker 8: are fed up with where the Democrat Party's going. So
Speaker 8: I feel pretty good about the restoration. I feel that
Speaker 8: America is becoming great again, and that means it's history
Speaker 8: and its culture are going to be embraced. So I
Speaker 8: feel optimistic about that. But look, this is a very
Speaker 8: radical and vocal minority that's had made huge inroads into
Speaker 8: parts of the country. So you know, look, Reagan said,
Speaker 8: we've got to fight every generation, and the seductive ideology
Speaker 8: the left, as David taught us over all these years,
Speaker 8: is incredibly seductive, and that's something that we're never going
Speaker 8: to be able to say we defeated the left because
Speaker 8: that the philosophy of Marxism, socialism, communism is incredibly powerful
Speaker 8: and it reaches people in ways that I can't understand
Speaker 8: or explain, but it's very powerful and it's there. I mean,
Speaker 8: it's a real danger to the country, even though I
Speaker 8: think you're right the majority of Americans are with us.
Speaker 1: In a Time to stand. You talk about the critical
Speaker 1: importance of restoring the greatness of American culture, and you've
Speaker 1: mentioned that, referenced that a couple of times here. What
Speaker 1: do you think is at the top of that pyramid
Speaker 1: of greatness of American culture that we really really need
Speaker 1: to focus on and bring back.
Speaker 8: Michael Well, I think you've kind of combined it with
Speaker 8: American history, and we've seen what the left has done
Speaker 8: in our education system and just tearing apart of American history.
Speaker 8: Now we teach the Howard Zen version of American history,
Speaker 8: the sixteen nineteen project America is sexist, racist, that Christopher
Speaker 8: Columbus came to the New World simply to completely destroy
Speaker 8: the ecosystem and the environment. I mean, on and on
Speaker 8: and on, and we have to fight that because conservatives
Speaker 8: have seated that ground in the schools unfortunately. And the culture,
Speaker 8: it's the painting, it's the writing, it's the poetry, it's
Speaker 8: the architecture, it's you know, go to Columbus. The state
Speaker 8: capitals in this country built beautiful buildings, most of them
Speaker 8: in washing DC. The federal buildings that were built over
Speaker 8: one hundred years ago. We have an incredibly beautiful culture.
Speaker 8: The landscape paintings of the nineteenth century, it really points
Speaker 8: to the aspirational part of American history. Thomas Jefferson wanted
Speaker 8: federal buildings and government buildings to have that classical design
Speaker 8: from Greece and Rome, because he said, that's what's going
Speaker 8: to unite America as a new republic. It's a search
Speaker 8: for beauty, and American culture is incredibly beautiful. We had
Speaker 8: a golden age of that culture from the mid eighteen
Speaker 8: hundreds still about nineteen thirty and since then we've still there.
Speaker 8: But we've seen the degradation. We've seen that across the
Speaker 8: board with America right especially since the nineteen sixties. But
Speaker 8: we need to teach how wonderful in America is because
Speaker 8: the culture unites us and binds us. And I was
Speaker 8: and I don't want to keep going on on, but
Speaker 8: conservatives have done a great job at Hillsdale College and
Speaker 8: many of the the kind of think tanks and talking
Speaker 8: about the Federalist papers, the Constitution, the Declaration, the Gettysburg Address,
Speaker 8: all of that is what politically the political culture that
Speaker 8: binds us. But there's another part of the culture. I
Speaker 8: think that we need to focus on and educate. Most
Speaker 8: of the things that I write about in the book
Speaker 8: in terms of American culture are not things I learned
Speaker 8: in school, And like said, I'm in my sixties, so
Speaker 8: it's not like I went to school last decade. These
Speaker 8: are things that I've learned on my own. And I
Speaker 8: think it's important for the schools to not just teach
Speaker 8: about what's so stained and negative and horrible about American history,
Speaker 8: but what's beautiful, and it is beautiful more than just
Speaker 8: a political republic and all those wonderful things, we also
Speaker 8: have a beautiful culture.
Speaker 1: You're talking about the left's attacks on history talking to
Speaker 1: Michael Finch, the author of A Time to Stand In,
Speaker 1: the president of the David Horowitz Freedom Center on the Nightcap. Michael,
Speaker 1: you talk about the left's attacks on our history and
Speaker 1: culture when the statues started coming down, the monuments, and
Speaker 1: you saw even George Washington and Abraham Lincoln monuments and
Speaker 1: statues being desecrated or being torn down around the country.
Speaker 1: It reminded me of exactly what happened when Isis had
Speaker 1: a stronghold in the Middle East and they were taking
Speaker 1: down all these antiquities, and it reminded me of what
Speaker 1: Mao did in communists China when he tried to erase
Speaker 1: all of the proud culture and history that had come
Speaker 1: before Mao. And this is what the left does everywhere
Speaker 1: it tries to get a foothold, is it not?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 8: Absolutely, I know some conservatives will disagreed with me on this.
Speaker 8: But you know, my family, my great great grandfather fought
Speaker 8: was Iowa, fought for the Union for.
Speaker 3: The entirety of the Civil War.
Speaker 8: But the Roberty Lee was a great American even before
Speaker 8: the Civil War. He was a hero in the Mexican
Speaker 8: American War. He was one of the great American in generals,
Speaker 8: and that's part of history. You may not like what
Speaker 8: he did, you may not like what he represented, fighting
Speaker 8: for the state of Virginia, fighting for you know, leading
Speaker 8: the charge for the Confederacy, but Roberty Lee is a
Speaker 8: very important American in our history. We need to teach
Speaker 8: about Robert E. Lee and what he represented, because you
Speaker 8: need to learn about all aspects of history. And I
Speaker 8: said very pointedly, if you try to take his statue down,
Speaker 8: or Stonewall Jackson, or who were Jefferson Davis or whoever else,
Speaker 8: they're going to go after Jefferson and Washington. And sure enough,
Speaker 8: in twenty twenty they're in the riot, the George Floyd riots.
Speaker 8: They even were trying to take down statues of Abraham Lincoln,
Speaker 8: of course, is the great emancipator. So you're right, it
Speaker 8: never ends. The left wants that in order to create
Speaker 8: this great new America utopia, you need to completely destroy
Speaker 8: and you, you know, perfectly pointed out what Mao did,
Speaker 8: what Stalin and Lennon did. In order to create the
Speaker 8: new utopia, you have to eliminate all the history of
Speaker 8: the old whatever stands before it, you need to eliminate that.
Speaker 3: So the idea of.
Speaker 8: Just tearing part of American history and tearing down the statues,
Speaker 8: it's heart wrenching, it really is. And I'll defend whatever
Speaker 8: statues are up, that's part of American history. I don't
Speaker 8: think any of these statues should be taken off. You
Speaker 8: want to build new statues, that's great, But the old
Speaker 8: statues represent our history and it's something you know, whether
Speaker 8: it's a proud part of the proud history or part
Speaker 8: of the history we need to talk about or learn from.
Speaker 8: I think regardless of that, those statues need to stand.
Speaker 1: Well, if you act like it never happened, they never existed,
Speaker 1: then you don't learn anything exactly.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
Speaker 8: And why would we follow the example of Lenin Stalin
Speaker 8: And now you know, I don't know, but that's the left.
Speaker 8: That's what they represent, and they want to tear down
Speaker 8: our history. It didn't start in seventeen seventy six. Supposedly,
Speaker 8: it started in sixteen nineteen. And that's that. You know,
Speaker 8: you're just going to denigrate and put this huge stain
Speaker 8: on what is a wonderful history.
Speaker 1: Real quickly, in the last couple of minutes we got left,
Speaker 1: Michael Finch, give me example of one essay you're write
Speaker 1: in a time to stand that people. Give me a
Speaker 1: little tease here in.
Speaker 8: The book, Well, I wrote an essay about American architecture.
Speaker 8: Donald Trump in his first term right at the end
Speaker 8: of his first term, enacted in executive order saying that
Speaker 8: all buildings, federal buildings and new federal buildings needed to
Speaker 8: be built in the classical style, at least have some
Speaker 8: adhere instead of Greek and Roman classical style. He was
Speaker 8: mirroring what Jefferson did a couple hundred years ago. He
Speaker 8: immediately was attacked as a Nazi. I guess Hitler liked
Speaker 8: the parthonon in classical Everyone loves classical architecture. That's why
Speaker 8: it's classical architecture. But he was attacked as a Nazi
Speaker 8: and fascist fascist architecture. Joe Biden rescinded that executive order.
Speaker 8: I'm hoping he'll come back with it. We have a
Speaker 8: president who also attacked the Wocism and the Smithsonian and
Speaker 8: these other institutions and museums. We have a president that
Speaker 8: understands America's beautiful, that we have a beautiful culture, and
Speaker 8: that includes the art and the buildings that represent it.
Speaker 8: It's really important that we remember that and defend that
Speaker 8: and restore that greatness of American culture.
Speaker 1: A Time to Stand, a new book by Michael Finch,
Speaker 1: who was the president of the David Horowitz Freedom Center
Speaker 1: our guest tonight. I can't thank you enough for your time, Mike.
Speaker 1: I can't think of a better way that I could
Speaker 1: have filled it. So it's a pleasure.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 8: No, this was a real honor.
Speaker 3: I'm very grateful. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Great day and great success with the book. It's available
Speaker 1: now right.
Speaker 8: Yes, it is on Amazon or front pagemag dot com,
Speaker 8: which is the Center's website at our bookstore, but you
Speaker 8: can go to Amazon or Barnes and Nobles any of
Speaker 8: the other websites in order it.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Please continue the great work with the David Horowitz Freedom Center, Michael.
Speaker 3: Thanks, will do I appreciate that. Thank you.
Speaker 1: You got it. Joshua Philip from the Epic Times. We'll
Speaker 1: be hanging around with us for a little while after
Speaker 1: the next news break, and this is the nightcap on
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW. Our next guest this evening is a
Speaker 1: senior investigative reporter, coast of host of Crossroads at the
Speaker 1: Epoch Times, an award winning journalist, documentary filmmaker. And we're
Speaker 1: going to get into some of those a little bit,
Speaker 1: even though it's past tense along with what's going on today.
Speaker 1: But for the sake of just getting it started. Joshua Philip,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 6: How are you hey, My pleasure being here, And yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, interesting times, but not bad as a journalist,
Speaker 6: I guess right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: What's what's the old curse? May you live in interesting times?
Speaker 7: What killed me? We're living what killed.
Speaker 1: Me during during COVID and the ensuing riots during the
Speaker 1: Summer of Hate in twenty twenty. And I remember being
Speaker 1: on the radio and I heard all these ads and
Speaker 1: they'd start with during these uncertain times, during these during
Speaker 1: these interesting times, during you know, it was like has
Speaker 1: any time in the history of mankind been certain about?
Speaker 4: What was?
Speaker 1: That was my first question.
Speaker 6: A good point, good, good point.
Speaker 1: And my second question was I'd rather not be so
Speaker 1: interesting a lot of the time.
Speaker 6: Well, well, you know, the COVID era and while we
Speaker 6: were locked out in our houses because we're afraid of
Speaker 6: getting the virus and you were allowed to go protest,
Speaker 6: that was quite interesting. I'd say that. I'd say that
Speaker 6: was quite interesting because you know, the messaging was, you know,
Speaker 6: it's too dangerous to go outside. COVID is going to
Speaker 6: kill you, but it won't touch you if you're protesting
Speaker 6: and burning down your city.
Speaker 9: So yeah, go figure, right, Yeah, the strip bars were open,
Speaker 9: and hey, mom and pop grocery stores are shuttered.
Speaker 1: All of that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, you know, COVID it was very.
Speaker 9: Selective, you know, as we know, right, sure, sure, and
Speaker 9: then we found out as I suspected from the very beginning,
Speaker 9: Joshua and I said this on the air at the time.
Speaker 1: I was one of the loudest dissenting voices in April
Speaker 1: and May of twenty twenty, calling this stuff out as
Speaker 1: it was happening right in front of me. I'll tell
Speaker 1: your quick story and then we'll get onto the topics.
Speaker 1: So in April of twenty twenty, when we were told
Speaker 1: that we had, you know, fifteen days to stop the spread,
Speaker 1: slow the spread or whatever, and they were closing down
Speaker 1: businesses as being non essential, and then big box stores
Speaker 1: were still essential, but the mom and pops weren't. I
Speaker 1: got a card in the from the radio station from
Speaker 1: two federal agencies I'd never heard of before, telling me
Speaker 1: that I had special permission to travel on the interstate
Speaker 1: as emergency broadcast personnel through May thirty first, twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: So when they were saying in March and April, we're
Speaker 1: going to take, you know, a week or two weeks
Speaker 1: to slow the spread, and then we'll get back to normal.
Speaker 1: I knew they were full of it then, because they
Speaker 1: just issued me a card that said I was good
Speaker 1: till May thirty first, which meant that I could travel
Speaker 1: and very few other people were supposed to. My wife
Speaker 1: and I traveled all the time. So that was just
Speaker 1: my personal aside on how real all of that was.
Speaker 1: But I was very vocal at the time, and I
Speaker 1: still am vocal, although most of the time I've had
Speaker 1: to resist the effort or the want to say.
Speaker 2: I was right.
Speaker 1: I was right about all of it. I was right
Speaker 1: about mask I was right about the six foot rule,
Speaker 1: I was right about you know anyway.
Speaker 6: No, no, you got to remind people sometimes, you know.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 6: I remember, for me, you know, speaking about my work
Speaker 6: in the early days of the virus, I did I
Speaker 6: think the first major investigation into the virus origins. You know,
Speaker 6: I did a big documentary released within about maybe two
Speaker 6: months of the whole thing, and I mean it was
Speaker 6: shocking because it was all based on public reporting. We
Speaker 6: used documentation coming out from China. We used things that
Speaker 6: they later deleted. Everybody forgets now but do you remember
Speaker 6: they actually released the virus sequence in China, then they
Speaker 6: disappeared the researcher who did the virus and then every yeah,
Speaker 6: then every Western journal that published the virus sequence deleted it.
Speaker 7: If it was a.
Speaker 6: Serious pandemic, why in you know, why in anything, why
Speaker 6: would you delete evidence on the virus sequence to make
Speaker 6: it you can't research it. And so I remember reporting
Speaker 6: this stuff, and you know, I'm thinking, Okay, I'm contributing
Speaker 6: to the good of the world, and I'm showing probably
Speaker 6: where the virus came from. I'm showing information on what,
Speaker 6: you know, what the virus is based on scientific public reporting.
Speaker 6: I got censored, I got attacked, I got I got
Speaker 6: just about deplatformed. Facebook sent an alert to every person
Speaker 6: who shared my documentary telling telling them they shared false information.
Speaker 6: In terms of the person who's fact checked me actually
Speaker 6: worked at the Chinese virus they will want into the virology.
Speaker 6: And the basis of the fact check was they have
Speaker 6: very good security, and because they have good security, it's
Speaker 6: not possible that a virus outbreak like like this.
Speaker 7: It was it was a.
Speaker 6: Clown world and I was I mean, it's one thing
Speaker 6: when you see other people get canceled. When you experience it,
Speaker 6: it's because you know it's true or not. When you
Speaker 6: experienced it, it's such a surreal thing because you can
Speaker 6: see just how they lie. Frankly, it was really bizarre.
Speaker 1: I was. There was so much of that going on
Speaker 1: Joshua at the time in media and anybody in social media,
Speaker 1: anybody who was dissenting from the propaganda that was being
Speaker 1: put out, mostly by communist China and our government. I
Speaker 1: am still surprised that I never was told to lay back.
Speaker 1: I never was told to stop doing what I was
Speaker 1: doing on the air, and they didn't take me off
Speaker 1: the air. I don't know if it's because only five
Speaker 1: people were listening at the time I was on. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure, but I somehow survived that period of cancelation,
Speaker 1: and you know, the total isolation of people who just
Speaker 1: didn't go along with the approved narratives. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel very fortunate that I worked for people who felt
Speaker 1: like free speech was still important. The real story of
Speaker 1: January sixth is one of your documentaries.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that was another one that was quite quite
Speaker 6: the adventure.
Speaker 1: All right, So give me in a reader's digest condensed version.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows what those are anymore. The real story of
Speaker 1: January sixth, according to the work you did, Joshua Philip
Speaker 1: in that documentary back in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 6: So we did three parts with that. The first part
Speaker 6: was and was an investigation into security camera footage to
Speaker 6: break down the incidents that day, the timelines, and also
Speaker 6: the way that the whole story went down. And basically
Speaker 6: the first one we found that the public narrative was fake.
Speaker 6: Trump did not call for an insurrection. The real story
Speaker 6: of it was that actually Trump had a scheduled speaking
Speaker 6: event at the Capitol Building. They had a platform set up,
Speaker 6: scheduled speakers, a permit for it. Trump had author the
Speaker 6: deployment of the National Guard, which was at the time
Speaker 6: for some reason, they were lying about that Trump authorized
Speaker 6: flue of the National Guard.
Speaker 7: It was denied.
Speaker 6: Notably, it was not accepted. And you know, I think
Speaker 6: we'll maybe find out who's responsible for that. But Trump
Speaker 6: wanted Trump wanted national guard, Trump wanted riot.
Speaker 1: Please Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi is still saying that Trump
Speaker 1: denied the National Guard on January sixth. He's still saying
Speaker 1: that when she is the one of the prime players
Speaker 1: in making sure that that did not happen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So the real story was they had all that.
Speaker 6: Trump wanted members of Congress to read the evidence of
Speaker 6: election fraud, and that was what he was actually going for.
Speaker 6: That was what his interest was. And so January sixth
Speaker 6: technically derailed that. The people who tore down the barricades,
Speaker 6: the people who tore down the no trespassing signs, the
Speaker 6: people who gained access to the building, and notably they
Speaker 6: signaled on the camera to people opened the door, and
Speaker 6: they opened the door. They have a huge magnetic door.
Speaker 6: You'd need like a like a you'd need like a
Speaker 6: missile to blow that thing open.
Speaker 3: They opened the door.
Speaker 6: That all happened while Trump was still speaking at the ellipse.
Speaker 6: Those were not the people who are listening Trump speak
Speaker 6: who went and did that. That happened as he was
Speaker 6: speaking the other side too. No police officers were killed
Speaker 6: that day. The whole story about you know, the guy
Speaker 6: hit with a fire extinguisher and murdered, it was fake.
Speaker 6: Three people died that day. One was Ashley Babbitt, shot
Speaker 6: in the neck by a police officer as she was
Speaker 6: unarmed climbing through a window. The two other people, Roseanne Boyland.
Speaker 6: They said she died of a of a like of
Speaker 6: a of an overdose she was on like Riddlin. We
Speaker 6: have video of her trapped in a tunnel and her
Speaker 6: her limp body is being beaten by by one of
Speaker 6: the Capitol police officers and people and people are trying
Speaker 6: to pull their body out from under the crowd. She
Speaker 6: was trampled. The other individual died of heart complications. We
Speaker 6: have evidence that police are the ones who tear gas themselves, unfortunately,
Speaker 6: including a couple of really wild ones who are just
Speaker 6: literally grabbing stun grenades off the belts of their officers
Speaker 6: and grabbing tear gas you know, launchers out of the
Speaker 6: hands of officers and just launching the randomly into the crowd.
Speaker 6: Police firing down from above at the crowd people, Police
Speaker 6: hitting people in the head with their clubs in ways
Speaker 6: that are illegal because you can kill people. Just real
Speaker 6: flagrant violations of abuse and use of force. And also
Speaker 6: the fact that most of the injuries of the police
Speaker 6: were actually caused by them themselves because they tear gased
Speaker 6: themselves and they didn't have the equipment to deal with it.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not throwing them under the bus because
Speaker 6: they were they were thrown into a situation and situation
Speaker 6: they shouldn't have been in because they were not given
Speaker 6: the resources or the equipment to handle that situation. But
Speaker 6: you know, that was the real story. January six was
Speaker 6: basically the first one was the narrative you've been told
Speaker 6: is just plain wrong. And then from their epic times
Speaker 6: has actually given access to all their unreleased footage by Congress,
Speaker 6: and so we were able to have reporters go in
Speaker 6: view the footage. We were one of I think three
Speaker 6: news outlets that was actually given this access, and we
Speaker 6: were able to request clips, and we published a very
Speaker 6: in depth feature showing people all this unreleased footage and
Speaker 6: key parts of it that basically just debunked a lot
Speaker 6: of the big narrative on it. And you know, I'm
Speaker 6: not saying that I'm not saying that there were no
Speaker 6: incidents of violence against police. There were some people who,
Speaker 6: in my opinion, did believe it did belong in jail,
Speaker 6: but again, the overall picture and the overall narrative was
Speaker 6: just utterly fake. And on top of that too, you
Speaker 6: also had you also had people being denied exculpatory evidence
Speaker 6: to prove their innocence in court, which we had access to,
Speaker 6: and they were not even allowed to show the evidence.
Speaker 1: I've talked to many January sixth defendants in the past
Speaker 1: couple of years. Josh and Uh, one of the gentlemen
Speaker 1: who was in prison in the gulag for like over
Speaker 1: three years, was one of the well, was one of
Speaker 1: the guys who tried to pull the Capitol police off
Speaker 1: of Roslin who was being beaten to death in that tunnel.
Speaker 1: He tried, he tried to pull them off, and he
Speaker 1: got arrested for that and charged with the soul. It's amazing.
Speaker 6: Well, we had we had a clip. We had a
Speaker 6: clip where and you can see it. You can hear
Speaker 6: it in the audio. One of the protesters runs.
Speaker 7: Into a police officer.
Speaker 6: They go tumbling down, and you know, it looks like
Speaker 6: they run into each other the police that you can
Speaker 6: hear in the audio. The guy says, Oh, I'm so sorry,
Speaker 6: I'm so sorry. Let me let me help you up.
Speaker 6: I'm so sorry. Let's get up together, Let's get it together.
Speaker 6: When when they showed that video in court, they removed
Speaker 6: the audio and video, it looks like you run the
Speaker 6: police officer and tackles him, but they removed the audio
Speaker 6: to to in my opinion, falsify evidence to make it
Speaker 6: look like he was attacking the officer and that was
Speaker 6: though he was actually painted. And so why why would
Speaker 6: you why would you remove part of the evidence. Someone
Speaker 6: had to remove the audio to do that.
Speaker 4: Why would they do that?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 6: And there was just a lot of weird things like
Speaker 6: that that that we did uncover during that reporting.
Speaker 1: UH, in your latest piece Crossroads Trump, is Trump preparing
Speaker 1: for a war against Venezuela and Maduro? What have what
Speaker 1: have you found in that reporting?
Speaker 6: So, in my opinion, a lot of the reporting on
Speaker 6: Venezuela is uh is media being dishonest. The real story
Speaker 6: is this Maduro and Lula. You know Maduro of course
Speaker 6: in Venezuela, Lula and Brazil. We're planning to launch a
Speaker 6: war against Guyana as of a few months ago, and
Speaker 6: so there was a war a doctor start in South America.
Speaker 6: And the bigger context of that is Guyana, a country
Speaker 6: just north of Venezuela. They discovered one of the largest
Speaker 6: oil reserves in the entire world a few years ago.
Speaker 6: And just being blunt, everybody.
Speaker 7: Wants it, Uh.
Speaker 6: The United States has legitimate legal operations, their eggs on
Speaker 6: Is is one of the companies involved in with you know,
Speaker 6: oil exploration and working with the government in Guyana. Maduro
Speaker 6: claims that he has historical ownership over that part of
Speaker 6: Guyana and he was going to annex it, and they were,
Speaker 6: They even passed in their in their court a law
Speaker 6: that would allow them to do it. So they were,
Speaker 6: they were, they were preparing for war. As a few
Speaker 6: months ago.
Speaker 3: China wants it.
Speaker 6: Russia of course wants it, and China has been doing
Speaker 6: a lot of black ship operations of trying to avoid
Speaker 6: US sanctions in that region. That that's the real story,
Speaker 6: I'd say so. Secretary of State Mark Rubia actually went
Speaker 6: down there just a few months ago too, and actually,
Speaker 6: Warren Maduro, if you try to do this, there will
Speaker 6: be consequences. In my opinion, the operations against the cartels
Speaker 6: and the operations possibly even top of Maduro are part
Speaker 6: of that. The other sides of the people that everyone's
Speaker 6: leading out though, like the mainstream media, they're like, oh,
Speaker 6: Trump's saying without evidence that Maduro is part of the cartels,
Speaker 6: the sons, Trump saying Maduro is tied with the trend
Speaker 6: de Arragua. Did everybody forget that that was a Biden policy.
Speaker 6: That was Biden, that was Joe Biden. The Biden administration
Speaker 6: declared publicly that Nicholas Maduro is the illegitimate leader, that
Speaker 6: the government in exile under Juan Guido is the legitimate
Speaker 6: government because Maduro rigged the election in twenty eighteen. That's
Speaker 6: Biden policy. This is not even Trump.
Speaker 7: This is Biden pulic.
Speaker 1: And the benefactor of a rigged American election is pointing
Speaker 1: fingers at someone else who was the benefactor election. The
Speaker 1: irony doesn't escape me.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, go figure.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 6: So that was a Biden policy. And so they're saying
Speaker 6: that Trump is saying, without evidence that Badua was the
Speaker 6: leader of the trend Aragua. He's not saying that. He's
Speaker 6: saying he's a leader of the Cartel of the Sons,
Speaker 6: and cartel of the son basically provides the drugs tea
Speaker 6: friend day Aragua. The boats they're saying are trendy Aragua.
Speaker 6: Then they're saying the boats are fishermen. You ever go
Speaker 6: fishing without a fishing pole and you paint your boat blue,
Speaker 6: so you blend in with the ocean and you don't
Speaker 6: have nets, but you're doing commercial fishing. Look, look, you know,
Speaker 6: I grew up partly in a fishing community. So my
Speaker 6: dad used to on a restaurant called Red's Lobster Doc
Speaker 6: in Point Pleasure in Beach, New Jersey, and we had
Speaker 6: we had we had a doc. I used to work
Speaker 6: the docks my my stepfather, my step grandfather was a
Speaker 6: monk fisherman, you know, deep sea fishing and lobster fishermen.
Speaker 6: My dadd's still in the off season. I grew up
Speaker 6: working the docks. I know what fishing boats look like.
Speaker 6: I've never seen fishing boat without fishing equipment. Okay, right,
Speaker 6: these things don't have nets, they don't they have I've
Speaker 6: never personally seen a fisherman shove a bunch of fish
Speaker 6: into a duffel bag.
Speaker 7: That's that's new.
Speaker 6: If they're if they're fishing with fishing poles, I mean, okay, fine,
Speaker 6: Like I've gone commercial fish, I've gone commercial fishing.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're josh, maybe maybe they're Venezuelan noodlers.
Speaker 7: They're just think about that.
Speaker 6: Maybe they're noodling, you know that, might you might be
Speaker 6: onto something. They're Yeah, they're they're they're feeling the Deep
Speaker 6: South Deep South vibe. You know, they're just sticking their
Speaker 6: hands in the water hoping something bite. You know, maybe
Speaker 6: you're onto something. But but you know, the big tailsale
Speaker 6: sign aside from the fact that they don't have fishing
Speaker 6: nets or fishing poles and they're they're they have a
Speaker 6: bunch of full bags and barrels, which again, you're not
Speaker 6: going to catch enough fish to fill a barrel if
Speaker 6: you can see some fish and poles. Anyway, three guys, yet,
Speaker 6: come on, they paint their boats blue. They paint the
Speaker 6: tops blue. You know, a normal fishermen, you're gonna want
Speaker 6: a bright kind of like red or yellow or you know,
Speaker 6: something that if you get lost, you can be spotted.
Speaker 6: The only reason the reason you don't paint your boat
Speaker 6: blue is because people can't see you. So the only
Speaker 6: reason you do it is so people can't see you.
Speaker 6: So why they're painting the boat's blue, The simple answer,
Speaker 6: so people don't see them.
Speaker 7: The media is.
Speaker 6: Being so incredibly disingenuous with its reporting on this. I mean,
Speaker 6: maybe I should say it's shocking, but I don't think
Speaker 6: it's shocking anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, Joshua, I will tell you sadly, we're coming to
Speaker 1: the end of our time tonight. But what a wonderful conversation,
Speaker 1: what great revelations. And I encourage everyone if you're not
Speaker 1: already a subscriber. I am to the Epoch Times. I
Speaker 1: get the alerts every day my phone and it's just
Speaker 1: solid fifty to fifty reporting right down the line, without
Speaker 1: any of the male bovine fecal samples that are served
Speaker 1: up by a lot of the rest of the mainstream media.
Speaker 1: Joshua Philip, thank you so much for your time tonight.
Speaker 7: Hey, pleasure anytime.
Speaker 1: Thank you, all right, thank you very much. He's got
Speaker 1: more good stuff in the pipeline. Maybe we'll talk again soon,
Speaker 1: I hope. So it's the nightcap, and we ain't done yet.
Speaker 1: Brian Reisinger from the book Land Rich, Cash Poor on
Speaker 1: what China is trying to do and has been somewhat
Speaker 1: successful in doing to American farmers, and how President Trump
Speaker 1: is trying to stop that with the meeting with g
Speaker 1: this week and his continued trade dealing with Asia. It's
Speaker 1: the nightcap on seven hundred WLW. It is time to
Speaker 1: rise and shine even at this time. And I and
Speaker 1: I say rise and shine because we have Brian Risinger
Speaker 1: as in a farmer Rising and shining to talk to
Speaker 1: us this half hour. He's the author of land Rich Cash,
Speaker 1: for My Family's Hope, and The Untold History of the
Speaker 1: Disappearing American Farmer. A fourth generation farmer and comes from
Speaker 1: a farm family in Wisconsin. He served as an advisor
Speaker 1: top leaders, including Governor Scott Walker there in Wisconsin, US
Speaker 1: Senator Ron Johnson, currently the sitting senator in Wisconsin, and
Speaker 1: US Senator Lamar Alexander my old home state Tennessee, and
Speaker 1: other public officials, and he joins US now as an
Speaker 1: advisor to the Nightcap. Brian Risinger, welcome back.
Speaker 7: Hey, it's good to be with you. I appreciate you
Speaker 7: having me back on and I appreciate highlight these issues.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Number one on our dartboard here has to be
Speaker 1: the meeting that President Trump is getting ready to have
Speaker 1: with x in China and the meeting with the new
Speaker 1: Japanese Prime minister to talk tariffs and to make deals.
Speaker 1: And they both are heavily focused on the American farmer.
Speaker 1: And you know, people talking about the Trump tariffs, you say,
Speaker 1: they ignore the reason that they're necessary, and the main
Speaker 1: reason is China. So can you elaborate on what deal
Speaker 1: and President Trump this weekend said he felt fairly good
Speaker 1: that the meeting with g would be successful. I hope
Speaker 1: it is to the benefit of both countries and to
Speaker 1: the benefit of the American farmer. I'm sure you have
Speaker 1: your reservations about this because of the way China has
Speaker 1: acted in the past and their recent history of buying
Speaker 1: American farmland and not buying our goods. So what do
Speaker 1: you expect out of this latest meeting? Was that the
Speaker 1: President is planning on having his on his trip to Asia.
Speaker 7: Absolutely well, as you correctly said, this is a big priority.
Speaker 7: And you know, President Trump, as he's preparing for this meeting,
Speaker 7: is coming in having drawn some hardlines, used tariffs and
Speaker 7: other stands to show China that he intends to negotiate
Speaker 7: tougher than past years at US presidents. And he's trying
Speaker 7: to figure out a way to do that while finding
Speaker 7: a way to get that market opened back up in
Speaker 7: a way that's more fair, because you know the way
Speaker 7: that was for decades, it was leading unfair trade practices
Speaker 7: that were pushing prices down and screwing with American farmers,
Speaker 7: and then China snubbing American farmers. This fall has been
Speaker 7: very challenging on the other hand. So President Trump's trying
Speaker 7: to make that market more fair and get it back open.
Speaker 7: Here's what we need to recognize as we do that,
Speaker 7: we have to see that this deal will be the
Speaker 7: first step in a long term process to end what
Speaker 7: I'm calling our China addiction in this country, which is
Speaker 7: all the ways that China makes our economy affordable here
Speaker 7: in America is something that we have to figure out
Speaker 7: a way to deal with and move our way off of,
Speaker 7: including for the sake of our family farms, because they've
Speaker 7: held this hostage in many ways for a couple decades now.
Speaker 1: We have a China addiction in this country because of
Speaker 1: the cheaper goods that are brought in through the slave
Speaker 1: labor that is conducted in that communist country, and through
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, unfair trade practices where they're simply blocking
Speaker 1: American goods for making their market while flooding ours with
Speaker 1: all this cheap stuff that we've become accustomed to. You know,
Speaker 1: the Walmart generation is mostly there. And this is no
Speaker 1: diss on Walmart as a corporation at all, Brian, but
Speaker 1: the Walmart generation, which you saw these huge mega box
Speaker 1: stores bringing cheap Chinese goods to Middle America over the
Speaker 1: past forty to fifty years has really caused a serious
Speaker 1: hole in the American economy that people don't think about
Speaker 1: when they go after that ten dollars shirt at Walmart, do.
Speaker 7: They Yeah, that's absolutely right. You know, it's created cheap goods,
Speaker 7: but it has also created a dependence that we have
Speaker 7: on China where they're able to really jerk our chain.
Speaker 7: And you see that on the farm side. In the
Speaker 7: case of China has for decades been a huge buyer
Speaker 7: of soybeans, corn, other staples that are crucial to our heartland,
Speaker 7: the Midwest, all across the Great Plains, all over the place.
Speaker 7: And the reality situation is they buy so much agricultural
Speaker 7: products that they're able to really dictate the terms they
Speaker 7: buy them up. They can dump things and push the
Speaker 7: price down. They can move the world price and demand,
Speaker 7: and that's how farmers have been doing a lot of
Speaker 7: business selling to China, but also kind of get been
Speaker 7: getting screwed by China, and that's why farmers often support
Speaker 7: getting tougher, even though a trade dispute can be harmful
Speaker 7: if it gets out of hand. So that's why we
Speaker 7: need to figure out for the American consumer, the American worker,
Speaker 7: and for the American farmer. What's our long term strategy.
Speaker 7: How can we get back to a healthy, normal trading
Speaker 7: relationship rather than having our biggest graading partner also be
Speaker 7: our biggest adversary.
Speaker 1: Well, and how how can we keep them from from
Speaker 1: buying our farm land which they which I mean President
Speaker 1: Trump has gone to great links to stop this, and
Speaker 1: local and state leaders have done the same, especially in
Speaker 1: red states where they're not just they're just not snapping
Speaker 1: up all of our farmland and controlling it.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My question, Brian is how do we ever trust the
Speaker 1: Chinese since they go back on deals all the time,
Speaker 1: and they lie and they cheat. Is there a way
Speaker 1: to make this deal China proof from the standpoint of
Speaker 1: them not going along with what they say they're going
Speaker 1: to do?
Speaker 7: It is such a good question. It's kind of like
Speaker 7: that rag and trust but verify thing that he had
Speaker 7: with communist Russia back in the day, right, And I say,
Speaker 7: you know, we can deal but not depend. And what
Speaker 7: I mean by that is they're a big market. We
Speaker 7: can find a way to strike a deal that is
Speaker 7: more fair to the American farm and American worker. And
Speaker 7: we can do that, you know, hopefully opening that market
Speaker 7: back up without letting them kind of you know.
Speaker 1: Raid the store.
Speaker 7: But we cannot depend on them. And what I mean
Speaker 7: by that is we have to diversify our trading base.
Speaker 7: There are hundreds of trade companies countries out there, excuse me,
Speaker 7: hundreds of countries out there that there are no trade
Speaker 7: deals with. And if we are going around the globe
Speaker 7: making individual deals with smaller countries where we have more leverage,
Speaker 7: they need us to help feed them. We need them
Speaker 7: because they have affordable ways to help produce goods in
Speaker 7: the way that Chinese. But maybe it doesn't have to
Speaker 7: have the same human rights abuses and the same trade abuses.
Speaker 7: If we make hundreds of deals across the country that diversity.
Speaker 7: I know, one deal is going to replace China, but
Speaker 7: many many deals across the globe negotiating way, it's more
Speaker 7: fair for farmers and workers and consumers here in America.
Speaker 7: We don't have to depend on China as much as
Speaker 7: we do. The problem is we have so many eggs
Speaker 7: in one basket to use a farm pun on an
Speaker 7: issue that is really pretty serious, to be honest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about that. How how is the current
Speaker 1: government shut down affecting America's farmers Brian.
Speaker 7: It's coming at the worst possible time. There's congressional squabbling
Speaker 7: in the games that lawmakers are playing around. Different extraneous
Speaker 7: political issues from the American farmers standpoint, are causing real problems. Now,
Speaker 7: no farmer really wants to depend on the government. Farmers
Speaker 7: want to grow something and sell it for a dollar, right,
Speaker 7: But the reality is that agriculture and government are intertwined
Speaker 7: deeply in this country, and so there are things like
Speaker 7: farmers need to be able to go to the local
Speaker 7: county office to register their crops, things like that. So
Speaker 7: that's some of the smaller issues that are kind of inconveniences.
Speaker 7: But here's the real reason the government chepman is having
Speaker 7: a huge impact right now. President Trump and the administration
Speaker 7: have said, hey, we're going to do tariffs, We're going
Speaker 7: to negotiate tougher. That sometimes means that our government is
Speaker 7: going to take actions that make it harder for armers
Speaker 7: to selling these other markets because we think it's worthwhile, right,
Speaker 7: we think it's worth drawing that hardline. We'll get a
Speaker 7: better deal long term, but it might mean some pain
Speaker 7: in the short term, that's what the government has said.
Speaker 7: In a scenario where that's what the government is saying,
Speaker 7: they want to also be able to come forward with
Speaker 7: some of that tariff revenue to help support farmers who
Speaker 7: are impacted by that. When the government takes an action
Speaker 7: that impacts a business, it makes sense that the government
Speaker 7: does something to help make sure that that business isn't
Speaker 7: completely left on whole. So, you know, there's an effort
Speaker 7: to move a tariff support package through the Congress, but
Speaker 7: the shutdown has halted all that. There's been some funds
Speaker 7: that the Trump Innstration is able to release on its own,
Speaker 7: but not all. There's billions of dollars being held up
Speaker 7: by these congressional gains while meantime farmers are making the
Speaker 7: sacrifice during our trade disputes.
Speaker 1: I've always wondered what your position is on government farm
Speaker 1: subsidies and paying farmers not to grow certain crops or
Speaker 1: raise certain a livestock. What's Brian Reisinger's take on those
Speaker 1: which many people who are not farmers consider, you know,
Speaker 1: government welfare.
Speaker 7: Basically, yeah, I'll tell you I don't speak for all farmers,
Speaker 7: but I'll say what I what I hear A lot
Speaker 7: and what I what I believe to be the issue.
Speaker 7: The issue that we have here is that most farmers
Speaker 7: I know, they want to they want to again. They
Speaker 7: want to grow crops and sell you know, food products
Speaker 7: or other products that people want to buy for a dollar. No,
Speaker 7: no government, No farmer wants to depend on government in
Speaker 7: the way that we have many of our farmers doing
Speaker 7: in this country. But here's what's happened. The government has
Speaker 7: intervened in so many different ways. There are so many
Speaker 7: different programs, and they just piled up over the years.
Speaker 7: So you can make an argument there's maybe a basic
Speaker 7: need around uncontrollable factors like weather. Right, just like when
Speaker 7: there's a hurricane or tornado, the government comes in and
Speaker 7: helps out communities. You can make an argument for uncontrolled feathers.
Speaker 7: Weather's like, you know, weather and other factors being a
Speaker 7: reason to have some sort of government involvement. But we've
Speaker 7: piled up programs over the decades. We have hundreds of programs.
Speaker 7: We don't know whether they work anymore any our contradictory.
Speaker 7: We don't know which means are prone to favorite as.
Speaker 1: Going to do.
Speaker 7: So here's what happens. It's both true that the American
Speaker 7: taxpayer is rightly saying where the heck is my tax
Speaker 7: dollars going? And then family farmers saying, hey, where the
Speaker 7: heck is that support that was supposed to be there?
Speaker 7: A lot of farmers don't want to have to be
Speaker 7: depending on that. We just have this massive government bureaucracy
Speaker 7: that is, you know, just so ineffective and it's wasting
Speaker 7: a lot of dollars along the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, since your your family's from Wisconsin dairy farmers, right, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: where are we now with Canada and trade on items
Speaker 1: like cheese?
Speaker 7: Yeah? You know, the big thing with Canada and with
Speaker 7: America is that we do need the Canadians to understand
Speaker 7: that we need to have deals that are more more
Speaker 7: fair to America. And part of the reason for this
Speaker 7: is Canada has a very different system. You want to
Speaker 7: talk about protectionism Canada, that is what they call supply
Speaker 7: management system, where they're so protectionists of their dairy that
Speaker 7: they the government literally mandates, you know, how many college
Speaker 7: you can have and things like that.
Speaker 1: And Bryan, it's called it's called socialism.
Speaker 7: Thank you for speaking with clarity there. I appreciate that.
Speaker 7: And it creates a huge imbalance, right, and The Canadians are, though,
Speaker 7: you know, traditionally little more friendly than China. They also,
Speaker 7: especially during the last trade to be about a decade ago,
Speaker 7: they were dumping products too that they knew could push
Speaker 7: the prices down. So we need to make sure that
Speaker 7: our traditional allies are also dealing with the American farm
Speaker 7: in a fairway as well.
Speaker 1: What about American farmers who are trying to keep money
Speaker 1: in their pockets and keep from you know, keep the
Speaker 1: lights on and whatever, trading out their farm land. They're
Speaker 1: good fertile farmland for solar panel fields and wind farms.
Speaker 1: I know that there's there's this administration has taken a stab,
Speaker 1: a stab back at all these green energy initial is
Speaker 1: so called renewables, which are inefficient, very costly, and eat
Speaker 1: up all kinds of land.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I've always said that I think, you know,
Speaker 7: individual farmers need to figure out what's right for them.
Speaker 7: I've worked on a couple of different types of world
Speaker 7: development projects, a wide range of things. Here here's what
Speaker 7: I think the issue is. That is a is a
Speaker 7: deep way that we can help address whatever kinds of
Speaker 7: pressures farmers may have to do with their land. Different things,
Speaker 7: the land rich cash poor dilemma. The big problem with
Speaker 7: that landriage cash problem is the cash poor part, meaning
Speaker 7: what we need is for farmers to have new entrepreneur
Speaker 7: opportunity that make it easier to make a living on
Speaker 7: their land. Farmland has always been valuable, always been coveted
Speaker 7: for different things, and farmers have always faced those pressures.
Speaker 7: But as long as farmers are able to make a
Speaker 7: good living, these farm families want to keep their farms
Speaker 7: in their families. They want to keep operating, they want
Speaker 7: to keep moving forward. And the issue that we have
Speaker 7: is there hasn't been enough entrepreneur opportunity out there to
Speaker 7: help farms have good choices with what they want to
Speaker 7: be able to do with their land.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that some farmers. The trend I guess
Speaker 1: it was about twenty years ago. I remember hearing about
Speaker 1: this is that a lot of farmers were taking a
Speaker 1: portion of their farmland and they were they had ponds
Speaker 1: and stuff, and they were raising shrimp, you know, farm
Speaker 1: raised shrimp and stuff like that. You talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: diversifying and using this wonderful gift of God, this farmland
Speaker 1: for whatever purpose that will make economic sense for these
Speaker 1: farm But I'm sorry, I go by a field and
Speaker 1: I see, you know, all of these solar panels, or
Speaker 1: I go buy a field and I see these giant
Speaker 1: bird killers up in there, and I'm going, man, this
Speaker 1: stuff doesn't work. It's not energy efficient. Yeah, maybe it's
Speaker 1: floating a boat for this farmer so he can survive
Speaker 1: another day. But is it. How close are we to
Speaker 1: the death of the family farm in America?
Speaker 3: Brian?
Speaker 7: You know, we're unfortunately very close, and there are some
Speaker 7: really big factors, you know, economic crises, governmental policies, technological
Speaker 7: issues that have been driving it for a long time.
Speaker 7: And here's where the math shakes out. We've been losing
Speaker 7: family farms at the rate of forty five thousand a
Speaker 7: year on average for the past century, forty five thousand
Speaker 7: a year. If we continue doing that going forward, Gary, Jeff,
Speaker 7: I'm forty years old now. By the time my little
Speaker 7: girl is my age, by the time she's forty, we'll
Speaker 7: have lost the rest of our farms in this country
Speaker 7: at that rate, we'll have lost them within the next generation.
Speaker 7: So we need to make some big changes. There's no question.
Speaker 1: Well, the farms and farming has been such an integral
Speaker 1: part of this country from its very beginning. You know,
Speaker 1: we were still obviously in colonial times in Aggregian society.
Speaker 1: We had the you know, the industrial age come in
Speaker 1: and we had manufacturing and the city's got built. And
Speaker 1: I will tell you from a personal standpoint, Brian, that
Speaker 1: when I go back to Iowa, where I was born,
Speaker 1: when I talk to my relatives that are still in
Speaker 1: Mount Pleasant, Iowa and have been family farmers for at
Speaker 1: least as many generations as your family has been involved
Speaker 1: there in Wisconsin, when I visit there on occasion, there
Speaker 1: is such a feeling of peace and comfort being out
Speaker 1: in that land where people are working the land where
Speaker 1: and they're very, very overall, they're very patriotic people. They
Speaker 1: love America, they love Americans, they love their fellow Americans.
Speaker 1: And many of them, you know, many of them that
Speaker 1: this is a place where you can find lots of
Speaker 1: Trump signs. Not that they are not Democrats too, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it always makes my heart feel good
Speaker 1: to be in a community like that, and to think
Speaker 1: about this country without those communities really saddens me and
Speaker 1: makes me kind of worried about the future of our nation.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And you know, and I appreciate that and I'll
Speaker 7: tell you what you know. The way that we're hollowing
Speaker 7: out our rural communities, which are small town's oryalmans, were
Speaker 7: built by our farm So you when you decimate the
Speaker 7: farms this way, you decimate all those communities. And what's
Speaker 7: happening is we're houlowing at rural Americans. We're also affecting
Speaker 7: every single American dinner table because when you wipe out
Speaker 7: forty five thousand farms a year, you make your food
Speaker 7: supply chain insecure. That drives up prices. That's one of
Speaker 7: the reasons we see food prices through the roof moving
Speaker 7: faster than inflation that we had that was run away
Speaker 7: a couple of years ago. It makes the food less healthy.
Speaker 7: It affects our security. Right now, we have somewhere around
Speaker 7: forty two and a half billion dollar egg trade deficit
Speaker 7: between the Biden adminstration term administration, between those two time periods.
Speaker 7: I say that because I want people know I'm not
Speaker 7: being political. It's forty two and a half billion in
Speaker 7: between those administrations, right and that was a record amount
Speaker 7: of food and agg culture proticty, we're importing rather than exports,
Speaker 7: so we're importing forty and a half million more dollars
Speaker 7: in food than we are exporting. Think about that, We're
Speaker 7: wiping out our farms at forty five thousand a year,
Speaker 7: our domestic food supply. We're depending more and more in
Speaker 7: other countries for our food. That reads like a doomsday novel,
Speaker 7: you know, I mean, we need to do something about that.
Speaker 1: Brian Reisinger land Rich Cash Poor is the book. I
Speaker 1: can't tell you how much I appreciate your time tonight
Speaker 1: and the work you're doing on behalf of not only
Speaker 1: of American farmers, but American consumers, all the rest of us.
Speaker 1: Because this matters. This matters to every single person who
Speaker 1: who eats eggs or you know, enjoys of fresh cob
Speaker 1: of corn, or you know, any kind of thing that
Speaker 1: comes off the farmland in this country. And it's time
Speaker 1: we wake up and make sure that these guys are
Speaker 1: are taken care of and they can continue to do
Speaker 1: their fine work, not only for their families, but for
Speaker 1: the rest of the country.
Speaker 7: Thank you, Brian, Well, thank you so much. I appreciate
Speaker 7: you know. We've got our new paperback additional language, Cash
Speaker 7: pour Out, available on Amazon bookstores nationwide. I just appreciate
Speaker 7: anybody who spreads the word on these issues, and I
Speaker 7: appreciate you shouldn't light on them.
Speaker 1: You bet you my pleasure, sir, the wild Man. We'll
Speaker 1: finish us off here after the news break seven WLW.
Speaker 1: It's your weekly dost from the Goo Factory of one
Speaker 1: wild Man Walker on the nightcap. And there's some good,
Speaker 1: there's some really bad, and then there's some sublime to
Speaker 1: talk about, like wild Man's love for Andy Griffith reruns. Today.
Speaker 1: You were describing to me today, wild Man. You were
Speaker 1: watching a colored a color TV episode of Andy Griffin
Speaker 1: and uh and and uh. In the episode, they made
Speaker 1: Ernest T a school crossing guard? Is that what you?
Speaker 4: Ernest T Beths is a school crossing guard? And he
Speaker 4: was throwing rocks and.
Speaker 1: Well that's why he w that's what That's what Ernest
Speaker 1: T does, is he throws rocks. So what why would
Speaker 1: why would they make him a school crossing guard if
Speaker 1: they know that he has a pensiant for throwing rocks,
Speaker 1: not exactly his safety office.
Speaker 4: Well it's television television, come on, man, So they were
Speaker 4: to make a long story short. He was worn not
Speaker 4: to throw rocks, but he said, he said, I wouldn't
Speaker 4: throw any rocks, And when Andy walked away, he said,
Speaker 4: but you didn't say anything about bricks bricks.
Speaker 7: In his bag?
Speaker 4: Do Aw's are and throwing bricks?
Speaker 3: So we fired.
Speaker 7: Him and in the meantime.
Speaker 4: Malcolm Meryweather, who appeared in them Raposos, came to town
Speaker 4: and Andy gave him the job and Ernest t baths
Speaker 4: he got a case of the goo and threat to
Speaker 4: beat him up and they were going to a fight
Speaker 4: on it. Then he found out that he was really
Speaker 4: somehow related to him through the through through his English
Speaker 4: heritage or something that was just goofy.
Speaker 1: Only on television, especially television, especially nineteen sixties television.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: But they were the golden They were the golden times
Speaker 1: of sitcoms. Though the sixties.
Speaker 4: Well, that Andy Griffiths show has not been off the
Speaker 4: air since, you know, for the last fifty something years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 4: The staying power of that show is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: The reruns play over and over and over again, sometimes
Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day, and that's why you know
Speaker 1: every episode and can probably re enact the dialogue from
Speaker 1: almost every episode of a Andy Griffiths show within five
Speaker 1: seconds of seeing what it's all about.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's crazy, And if he.
Speaker 4: Asked me a favorite episode, it'd be I'd be hard pressed.
Speaker 4: I really would. I'd be hard pressed to state what
Speaker 4: that's my favorite episode because there were so many great ones,
Speaker 4: so many great ones.
Speaker 1: Now, do you also go in for Green Acres and
Speaker 1: Petticoat Junction? And I know you like Goomer piled usmc? Right?
Speaker 4: Oh, I love Gooomer pile USMC and I like green
Speaker 4: Acres too. I'm not a big Petticoat Junction guy.
Speaker 3: I like Green Acres.
Speaker 4: I was just you talking about that would have been
Speaker 4: a wacky town to live in because everybody was crazy
Speaker 4: except for Oliver Wendell Douglas. You're right, everybody was crazy.
Speaker 1: What about Bewitched?
Speaker 5: Nah?
Speaker 4: That what's for Witch? When I was younger, I don't
Speaker 4: have no desire to watch that anymore.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you've given up your Bewitched, but you're still
Speaker 1: holding onto your Andy Griffith.
Speaker 4: With Hand gun Smoke black and white and color.
Speaker 1: Well, gun Smoke ran for over twenty years. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: back in the days when TV series didn't run that long.
Speaker 1: You know, Gunsmoke was the frunting episode.
Speaker 4: Yes, as it was.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know that.
Speaker 4: Of course, of course the riflemen. I love the riflemen.
Speaker 1: Chuck Connor, Chuck Connors, basketball star at UK. Thank you?
Speaker 1: Wasn't you a basketball star? UK?
Speaker 4: No, he didn't play at UK. He was a basketball
Speaker 4: he was a basketball Do you like the Celtics?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah? You know. It was Dave Cowen's birthday over
Speaker 1: the weekend too.
Speaker 4: What a great player.
Speaker 1: He's from right there in Newport, right?
Speaker 4: Can I want how many people drive down?
Speaker 3: I don't know who that is?
Speaker 4: You're right, my buddy, you know Dave Cowens is though,
Speaker 4: I go, get out of my face.
Speaker 1: That's what that deserves. That's what that deserves, all right,
Speaker 1: wild man, Part one here of our conversation. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the good this weekend. And the good was you
Speaker 1: see football homecoming Baylor blowout, and plus they welcomed, uh
Speaker 1: welcome Tony Pike into the UC Athletics Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: which I think is overdue, and Tony was gracious in
Speaker 1: accepting that and being a part of that celebration. Overall,
Speaker 1: give me your thoughts on UC football this weekend.
Speaker 4: Well, the Bearcats are now ranked number sixteen in the
Speaker 4: Coach's Pole and number seventeen and the ap pole. Of course,
Speaker 4: it was their seventh straight win and now they go
Speaker 4: face the Utah Utes and that'll be a nationally televised
Speaker 4: game on Saturday out in Utah, and Utah just beat
Speaker 4: the stuffing out of Colorado. I mean, I know Colorado
Speaker 4: is not that good, but that was an ugly game
Speaker 4: that gives to me like a ten to fifteen of the
Speaker 4: Bearcats offense going to this game was going to be
Speaker 4: matched up against Baylor's offense. That trouble was that Baylor's
Speaker 4: defense was not very good and the Bearcats took advantage
Speaker 4: of it. The Bearcats offense, I mean, I mean, I
Speaker 4: think was it Brandon Stores mean, I think it's only
Speaker 4: been sacked twice this year. They've got an offensive line
Speaker 4: that maybe the Bengals would like to tap into. If
Speaker 4: these guys are devils, will to be trapped at.
Speaker 3: The end of the season. It's amazing looking.
Speaker 4: Everything is looking good here, I know for the UC Bearcats.
Speaker 4: Now they've got a tough schedule Gary Jeff the rest
Speaker 4: of the way, they gotta play BYU here. Then they
Speaker 4: got to play I believe after that then they have
Speaker 4: It was an Arizona so their schedule is not it's
Speaker 4: not easy gets even Dupper the rest of the way.
Speaker 1: Well, I know that you're a you're a Homer, you're
Speaker 1: all things Cincinnati you love. But I gotta tell you,
Speaker 1: wild Man. The good for me this weekend was another
Speaker 1: victory by my Vanderbilt Commodores, which the V is for
Speaker 1: victory in Vanderbilt. They are seventh of the year, they're
Speaker 1: seven in one, and they're in the top ten for
Speaker 1: the first time since nineteen forty one. Diego Pavia didn't
Speaker 1: have a great game, but it was a defensive struggle
Speaker 1: in Nashville, and they outlasted of ranked Missouri team seventeen
Speaker 1: to time.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 3: The last three years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was an incredible victory. Another one on the March,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at Vanderbilt's record coming up. I mean,
Speaker 1: they got to play at Texas, I think, which Texas
Speaker 1: ain't all it's cracked up to be. And the only
Speaker 1: thing that bothers me about Vanderbilt's winning streak right now,
Speaker 1: wild Man is one of them came against then ranked LSU,
Speaker 1: which just fired boy Brian Kelly this week in an
Speaker 1: aftermath of a third straight loss by the LSU tigers.
Speaker 1: Are you happy about this? I'm thrilled about it. Brian Kelly,
Speaker 1: the man who said he'd never leave, you see, and
Speaker 1: then the second Notre Dame kept came calling, he was gone.
Speaker 1: And then he was at his dream job at Notre
Speaker 1: Dame and woof's it's not my dream job. LSU's offering
Speaker 1: me all this guaranteed money. Can you believe that man
Speaker 1: could walk away with fifty million dollars?
Speaker 4: I love this country, hey, And now let's let's back
Speaker 4: up here about Brian Kelly. Here when he was at UC,
Speaker 4: he was thirty four and six. He turned that program
Speaker 4: around and he said, and Garry Chef, let's let's keep
Speaker 4: the fact straight here. He said when he came here
Speaker 4: that Notre Dame was his dream job, and the way
Speaker 4: he handled it it was bad. It was bad, and
Speaker 4: a lot of fans never forgave me. But here's we
Speaker 4: go back to the thing.
Speaker 3: You know, if you.
Speaker 4: Don't like the way the rules are set up, then
Speaker 4: you change the rules. But he took he took that job,
Speaker 4: and he had to take the job at that time
Speaker 4: because you're going up in the recruiting and you're dealing
Speaker 4: with recruiting and if he didn't really take that job
Speaker 4: at that time, he could lose out a lot of recruits.
Speaker 4: And I know a lot of you see fans are happy,
Speaker 4: they're doing the happy dance over. But Brian Kelly getting fired.
Speaker 4: If he wants to get me playing in the coach somewhere,
Speaker 4: I'm sure he'll be hired again. But the walk to
Speaker 4: be paid fifty million dollars. Kudos to Brian Kelly for
Speaker 4: working forgetting that contract with LSU.
Speaker 3: They look like idiots.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not gonna big grudge him a chance to
Speaker 1: take that money. They were stupid enough to sign him
Speaker 1: for that amount of money, that guarantee a ten year deal.
Speaker 1: And you know there's some alum down in Baton Rouge
Speaker 1: that's saying, you know what, we'll we'll help you pay
Speaker 1: this off. We need to get rid of this guy.
Speaker 1: He's damaged goods and he's not doing the program any favors.
Speaker 4: You know when he was when Brian Kelly was at
Speaker 4: Notre Dame, he's all time winning his coach at Notre
Speaker 4: Dame and Gary Jeff When Brian Kelly accepted the job
Speaker 4: at LSU, you got to remember the nil money started,
Speaker 4: you know, showing its ugly face and he had to
Speaker 4: deal with a lot of that. So a lot of that.
Speaker 4: They got hurt by that because they lost a lot,
Speaker 4: a lot of a number of good players. So it's
Speaker 4: not all just you know, Brian Kelly being a lousy
Speaker 4: coach because he had a winning record there.
Speaker 7: But you know, you got to have the.
Speaker 4: Horses, and I mean, you don't have the horses, and
Speaker 4: they're going somewhere else. And the SEC is the best
Speaker 4: conference in football. Hey, they take their football series at LSU. Now,
Speaker 4: the rumor is running rampant at Penn State might be
Speaker 4: interested that Brian Kelly. I wouldn't surprise me if he
Speaker 4: went there. Brian might take a year off too, I
Speaker 4: mean that's his choice.
Speaker 1: Well, the former Penn State coach James Franklin, who came
Speaker 1: from Vanderbilt, uh, found out that the grass is not
Speaker 1: always greener when you go somewhere for more bucks. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I just hope this this coach at Vandy
Speaker 1: Clark Lee hangs around a while and they can continue
Speaker 1: to build off this recent football success they've had the
Speaker 1: last two years. Uh. Even though this looks like it's
Speaker 1: finally Diego Povey's last year after six.
Speaker 4: Crazy Kyli Branton soaresman, you know, to go back to
Speaker 4: about you know, the grace is not always greener. That's
Speaker 4: why I was glad that Indiana, you know, you know,
Speaker 4: jumped up the chance and extended the contract of dirt
Speaker 4: coach there. I mean, he's there forever now, he's not
Speaker 4: going anywhere.
Speaker 1: Well and after this season, can you blame them? No,
Speaker 1: the Hoosiers are hot.
Speaker 4: You gotta love it, Ohio state number one and the
Speaker 4: end of number two. But unfortunately they don't play each
Speaker 4: other during the regular season.
Speaker 1: No, no, but there is that in they're a Big
Speaker 1: ten championship game.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 1: Sir, yes, sir, there is all right, Uh, we've done that.
Speaker 1: Let's let's get to the bad wild man. Let's get
Speaker 1: to a blowing, blowing a fifteen point lead in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Let's get to giving the game away. They
Speaker 1: were giving White Bengals caps away at yesterday's game to
Speaker 1: the first How many of one thousand fans showed up?
Speaker 1: But they didn't tell the fans that they were going
Speaker 1: to give the game away? How did this happen? Break
Speaker 1: it down?
Speaker 3: Oh, very easy.
Speaker 4: The defense, the defense, Jeff we knew We knew going
Speaker 4: into this season that the Bengals did not have a
Speaker 4: very good defense. We all knew that, but we didn't
Speaker 4: think it would be this bad in certain games. And
Speaker 4: yesterday they couldn't tackle. It was just had no pass rush.
Speaker 4: It's just it's bad. And then I hear Zach Taylor saying, well,
Speaker 4: it's unacceptable and people have to be accountable. We have
Speaker 4: to stand up. Well, let's start with Zach Taylor, because
Speaker 4: when it came down to crunch time, Gary, Jeff, Zach
Speaker 4: Taylor blew it. I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you why.
Speaker 4: At halftime on CBS, Bill Cowerd, who knows a little
Speaker 4: something about football, he doesn't have a Super Bowl ring,
Speaker 4: said the Benker should come out and run the ball
Speaker 4: because they were running the ball down the throats.
Speaker 3: Okay of the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, p Ryan p Right and Brown. P Right and
Speaker 1: Brown were both just chewing up ground in the first
Speaker 1: half of the Jets and you know what did they do.
Speaker 1: They they came out with just really ridiculous pass plays.
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco couldn't get any protection in the second half
Speaker 1: from his offensive that he got in the first half,
Speaker 1: and he couldn't connect with with Higgins or Chase because
Speaker 1: they stopped running the ball.
Speaker 4: The Bengals were up by I believe it was thirty
Speaker 4: eight thirty one, seven minutes left. The Bengals got the ball.
Speaker 4: They they you know, here, you got seven minutes left,
Speaker 4: you milk the clock, run the football, run the foot.
Speaker 4: They didn't. They didn't do one running play twenty seconds.
Speaker 3: They took off the.
Speaker 4: Clock forty seconds. Forty seconds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not good. They're not good clock management at all.
Speaker 4: Terrible clock management. I used to think that Marvin Lewis
Speaker 4: was bad out of me.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 4: Zach Taylor is pathetic good clock management too, and that
Speaker 4: cost the Bengals. That got cost the Bengals big time.
Speaker 4: Now defensively they stink. I don't know how they're going.
Speaker 3: To fix it.
Speaker 4: They've got you know, they keep drafting these young guys.
Speaker 4: They really didn't go out the free agency and sign anybody.
Speaker 4: They've got a major problem there defensively. But Zach Taylor
Speaker 4: on that situation, that comes down to coaching.
Speaker 3: And he blew it. He blew it.
Speaker 4: And of course the next last series they got they
Speaker 4: had three timeouts. They had three timeouts. Scared chef and
Speaker 4: tailor didn't even bother burning one. So they come up
Speaker 4: with a play to get a first down, didn't even
Speaker 4: burn any one of the timeouts. And of course Yosi
Speaker 4: Vash Andre Yosi Vash should not play this next Sunday.
Speaker 4: He should sit on the bench because he's had a
Speaker 4: case of the drops all year long, a case of
Speaker 4: the drops, major case of the drops. Targeted three times,
Speaker 4: no catches.
Speaker 1: I mean, was good when he was targeted yesterday, and
Speaker 1: he's been a little bit of an issue in the
Speaker 1: offense prior to that. Tanner Hudson was good. You know,
Speaker 1: Chase and Higgins are chasing Higgins, They're gonna be double
Speaker 1: covered in many cases, and they often were. But you know,
Speaker 1: last week when we talked after the Bengals victory over
Speaker 1: the Steelers, wild Man and we were talking about that,
Speaker 1: and I said, well, that's the way the Bengals won,
Speaker 1: the way everybody expected them to win games. If they
Speaker 1: were going to win games and high scoring affairs, just
Speaker 1: by outscoring the other opponent because their defense obviously is lacking.
Speaker 1: And this was another example of this. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to outscore your opponent, and that means that your coach
Speaker 1: is going to have to be cognizant of what is
Speaker 1: required in making halftime adjustments and yes, clock management, which
Speaker 1: I thought Aaron Glynn did a great job of down
Speaker 1: the stretch yesterday with the Jacks.
Speaker 3: Hey sure did?
Speaker 4: I mean, when you score thirty eight points and a
Speaker 4: football game, you should win it.
Speaker 3: You should win that game.
Speaker 4: And they're playing the Bears this Sunday, the Bears. The
Speaker 4: Bengals could very well loose to the Bears. I really could,
Speaker 4: and I know so much for that. We were all thinking, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, going into the bye week, we could have
Speaker 4: three straight wins, have some of some momentum. Well that's
Speaker 4: going by the wayside. But yet here guy, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: tell you this. Right now, there's talking heads on TV
Speaker 4: and radio that have already gone out and said, well,
Speaker 4: Biggles are still close to you know, in the division
Speaker 4: because the Steelers lost too.
Speaker 10: Will you stop that crap? Stop it. It's about winning
Speaker 10: football games. It's not backing in, you know, like the
Speaker 10: Reds did in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: It's not. It is not hoping the other teams in
Speaker 1: your division suck so that you can come out on
Speaker 1: top of the teams that suck. In the NFL, it's
Speaker 1: about winning football games. It is about clock management, and
Speaker 1: it is about and tackling. I'm sorry. Tackling in the
Speaker 1: NFL should never be an option for the defense. It
Speaker 1: should be a requirement. And we see it week after
Speaker 1: week after week.
Speaker 5: Wild Man, it'd be the angle.
Speaker 4: Suggest it be an outrun by on the angle on
Speaker 4: angle plays and they run and just trying to one.
Speaker 7: Arm tackle these guys.
Speaker 4: Oh man, that's and I'm just I'm just gonna harp
Speaker 4: on the run on the running game yesterdays. The last
Speaker 4: three games, Grey Jeff have run the ball very effectively.
Speaker 4: The old line has done a great job and even
Speaker 4: protected Joe Flacco. I think he got sacked twice yesterday,
Speaker 4: maybe maybe once, but the old line has done a
Speaker 4: really good job of opening up holes. And anybody could
Speaker 4: see that. Anybody could see that yesterday. And for Zach
Speaker 4: Taylor to go away from that, what's that tell you?
Speaker 4: What's it telling you that.
Speaker 1: You know that the Jets, the Jets front four was
Speaker 1: parted like the Red Sea in a couple of plays
Speaker 1: yes in the first half, and they completely went away
Speaker 1: from what was working. And then and then and.
Speaker 4: The on the that's on the goat that's not the
Speaker 4: head coach. That's on the head coach.
Speaker 1: And and in the end, uh, nothing was working.
Speaker 4: And the press conference was Zach Taylor. Nobody brought that
Speaker 4: up at all with the being up by seven seven
Speaker 4: seven points or seven minutes left and up by seven
Speaker 4: by not running the ball, you know, throw throwing a pass.
Speaker 4: I'm not forging what they got sacked or what happened.
Speaker 4: Nobody but Joe Daniman last night on Fox nineteen brought
Speaker 4: up and brought up and said, this was the difference
Speaker 4: in the game. This is why they lost in the
Speaker 4: end with a play call and they didn't run the football.
Speaker 1: Wild man, are times done? I hope you got the
Speaker 1: goo out?
Speaker 3: Well I got to go out.
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you somebody said, really the major case
Speaker 4: of the goo. I got one more major case of
Speaker 4: the goo real quick. The ass had, whoever the ass
Speaker 4: had was that broke your phone on Marty Brunhaman's statue,
Speaker 4: hopefully find them and break his hand. And Richard Petty,
Speaker 4: you talk about a guy that has the case of
Speaker 4: the goo. He has called that NASCAR for their stupid
Speaker 4: grating system and standing.
Speaker 3: He really got the ass.
Speaker 4: And when Richard petty speaks NASCAR. Better start listening.
Speaker 1: Well when you speak. Hopefully somebody's still listening wild Man,
Speaker 1: thank you by who they are. I gotta go but bye.