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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW on Monday

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Speaker 1: evening October twenty seven, twenty twenty five. Jeff Gilson will

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Speaker 1: be here. Among his many attributes was a speech writer

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Speaker 1: for the late great Margaret Thatcher, remember the Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: of Great Britain that everyone called the Iron Lady. Good

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Speaker 1: friends with Ronald Reagan, Michael Finch, who is the president

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Speaker 1: of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, with a brand new

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Speaker 1: book called A Time to Stand to Preserve American culture

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Speaker 1: and history and keep us Great, Joshua Philip from the

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Speaker 1: Epoch Times, Brian Reesinger from Land Rich, Cash Poor, and

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Speaker 1: on what China's trying to do to American farmers, and

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Speaker 1: also the wild Man. Before we're done, but we start

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Speaker 1: tonight with Joseph Solomon, who was literally rolling on the

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Speaker 1: river as we speak, and we're going to find out

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Speaker 1: about his latest tales from his journey, his kayak journey,

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Speaker 1: which will amount to some six thousand miles by the

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Speaker 1: time he's finished next year. He set out from Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: on September first on his kayak and is now in Mississippi.

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Speaker 1: I believe. Let's get an update from Joseph Solomon.

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Speaker 2: Joe how are you doing, man, I'm pretty good in yourself.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing fine. And to spit all that stuff out

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Speaker 1: just so we could get to the good stuff you

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Speaker 1: We talked to you on September first, as you were

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Speaker 1: just setting sail on your kayak out of Cincinnati. And

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Speaker 1: again for folks who did not hear that interview, Joseph,

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Speaker 1: what is your ultimate goal and when will you get there?

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Speaker 2: My ultimate goal is to be able to paddle back

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Speaker 2: to Cincinnati after going around that's the be Florida and

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Speaker 2: up into New York, cutting through the Great Lakes and

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Speaker 2: coming down the Illinois River back to the Mississippi, and

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Speaker 2: once I get to the Ohio confluence, I'll attempt to

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Speaker 2: paddle back up the Ohio River.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: How much difficulty is that paddling up the Ohio as

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Speaker 1: as opposed to paddling down.

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Speaker 2: Well, paddling down's probably more difficult than paddling up because

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Speaker 2: the winds come from the southwest every day, So getting

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Speaker 2: down the river, you've got winds in your faith all

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Speaker 2: day long. Going back up, I've got a sail on

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Speaker 2: my kayak. I can actually sail back up the Ohio

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Speaker 1: What is the what is the longest trip you've made

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Speaker 1: on a kayak to this point, I mean, before you

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Speaker 1: started this, what was the lengthiest trip you made in

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Speaker 1: your kayak?

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Speaker 2: Joe, I did back in twenty twenty one. I did

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Speaker 2: the entire Mississippi River from source to Vicksburg, Mississippi, and

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Speaker 2: then a Hurricane Heida came through and kind of decimated

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Speaker 2: the rest of my routes. The following year, I've paddled

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Speaker 2: from downtown Cincinnati all the way to the Gulf of Mexico.

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Speaker 1: Wow, but that's nothing like paddling through the inner coastal

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Speaker 1: and then going back up of the Eastern seaboard. That

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Speaker 1: just seems really, really daunting. At any point. How close

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Speaker 1: are you to the ocean at any point on your voyage?

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Speaker 2: Well, there will be days that I can actually get

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Speaker 2: out into the ocean when it's calm, somewhere around Alabama's

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Speaker 2: where the inner coast the waterway really starts, and I

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Speaker 2: can stay within those boundaries if the ocean's tub rowty,

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Speaker 2: or I can take the ocean route if I still choose.

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Speaker 1: All right, So here's the other question. And I know

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Speaker 1: you've got plenty of stories, just almost two months into

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Speaker 1: your trip. Here we are at October twenty seventh. Where

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Speaker 1: is Joseph Solomon? Right now?

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Speaker 2: I am at the entrance of the old lock to

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Speaker 2: the chapel Aya River on the Mississippi Louisiana border.

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Speaker 3: Shortly today, at.

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Speaker 2: Some point in the afternoon, I will be strictly in Louisiana, okay,

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Speaker 2: with no bordering states.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I know that you have a what do

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Speaker 1: you call your your fund that that's keeping you afloat,

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Speaker 1: keeping you in in.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: People can donate direct or they can donate to the

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Speaker 2: National Alliance for Mental Illness on my website, which is

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Speaker 2: Kayaking the new Merrick for acause dot com. Right and

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Speaker 2: on there there's tabs that people can donate direct eat

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Speaker 2: me going to raise this awareness.

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Speaker 1: Provisions, provisions you called it your spam fund or what

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Speaker 1: you call that.

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Speaker 2: Just yeah, if people want to give me a can

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Speaker 2: of spam, they can dominate a couple of bucks to

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Speaker 2: the spam fund.

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Speaker 1: All right, But that's Kayak for a Cause, Kayaking for

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Speaker 1: a call, Kayaking for a Cause dot org or.

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Speaker 2: Dot com dot com.

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Speaker 1: All right, fantastic. Now, you set out on September first,

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Speaker 1: as we mentioned, out of Cincinnati. What was the first, uh,

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Speaker 1: what was the first bit of turbulence you encountered in

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Speaker 1: your kayak on your journey? Just the first time you went, oh, man,

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Speaker 1: this is a really great idea. I'm glad I came

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Speaker 2: I guess you're speaking of something that kind of scared.

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Speaker 3: The Bejesus.

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Speaker 2: Exactly really happy I'm doing this. Uh. I was coming

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Speaker 2: into the John T. Meyers locking Damn there on the

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Speaker 2: Ohio River, and there was a storm brewing behind me,

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Speaker 2: and it was pushing me into the lock and damn,

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Speaker 2: and I was live feeding the whole entire situation, which

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Speaker 2: that storm. I didn't get hit by it until after

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Speaker 2: I went through the lock. But the winds were so

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Speaker 2: heavy and it pushed me into the lock. I had

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Speaker 2: nowhere to go to hide or get out of it.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm thankful that I was able to

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Speaker 2: get into that lock and get out of that lock

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Speaker 2: without any kind of incidents.

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Speaker 4: But it was pretty scary.

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Speaker 1: What should like going through a lock in a kayak?

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Speaker 1: Somebody else asked me that the first time you were

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Speaker 1: on the air. I said, I have no idea what

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Speaker 1: he does in those situations.

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Speaker 2: I have a VHF radio and on channel thirteen, you

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Speaker 2: can call the lock master and request to be entered

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Speaker 2: into the lock. I usually call them when I'm about

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Speaker 2: a mile away, just in case they have to fill

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Speaker 2: and then once I get in, they let the water

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Speaker 2: out of the chamber, and once it's completely level with

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Speaker 2: the water below the dam, the door is open and

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Speaker 2: your cruise on out.

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Speaker 1: All right, So you made it through that situation, what

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Speaker 1: was what was the next adventure you? I mean you

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Speaker 1: you at a certain point. Did you get onto the

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Speaker 2: So I paddled from Cincinnati to the confluence of the

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Speaker 2: around October the first right, I made it onto the

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Speaker 2: I met with my friend David. He lives in New Orleans,

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Speaker 2: so he's paddling with me from Memphis all the way

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Speaker 1: So you are gonna you are going to land in

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Speaker 1: New Orleans. Then are you gonna drop David off.

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Speaker 2: Uh, David's gonna go back to his his daily life,

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to keep on going. One thing is

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Speaker 2: I have to come home for a doctor's appointment, So

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Speaker 2: I gotta I got Once I get to New Orleans,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna drive back to Cincinnati see the doctor, and

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Speaker 2: then drive back to New Orleans and get all my way.

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Speaker 1: All right, was this like a planned doctor's appointment?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I have to return to the doctor every three months unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that kind of that kind of makes the

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Speaker 1: trip a little bit longer.

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Speaker 2: But you just a little bit. Yeah, I'm doing fairly well.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually rolling at probably twenty averaging with all the

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Speaker 2: days off that I've taken. I'm averaging twenty to twenty

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Speaker 2: one month a day.

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Speaker 1: So you say a day off, what do you do

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Speaker 1: I know that a lot of people leave you. You've

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Speaker 1: told me that a lot of people on the journey

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Speaker 1: know what you're doing and have been following you. And

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Speaker 1: it's hard to get back up on the river sometimes

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Speaker 1: because these people want to take you in and treat

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Speaker 4: Like a pet.

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Speaker 2: You know, to be honest with you, I've stayed on

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Speaker 2: been a couple times, two or three times I got

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Speaker 2: But for the most part, I've been on the river.

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Speaker 2: On the river. On a day off, I get to

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Speaker 2: organizing all my stuff and trying to clean the sand

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Speaker 2: I bet uh So, Yeah, on a day off, you're

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Speaker 2: Shanghai in Natchez.

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Speaker 4: Because we were stuck there for like.

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Speaker 2: Four days and river angels were passing us off to

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Speaker 2: But now we're back at it again, and we're probably

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Speaker 2: I don't know, some forty five to fifty miles just

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Speaker 1: The Red Stick. You know what I would ask you Normally,

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Speaker 1: if I knew somebody was going to Louisiana, I would

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Speaker 1: ask for them to bring me back some budhang, but

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Speaker 1: it's not really not really something you can do.

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Speaker 2: That is something I can do next month on the

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Speaker 2: sometime during the day on the twelve, I can get

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Speaker 2: when we get off the station, and I'll make sure

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Speaker 2: that I'll bring some boudan to you.

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Speaker 1: Have you Have you ever had budan?

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I have, and it's probably the best sauce

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Speaker 2: that you can ever eat. And like I said, I'm

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Speaker 2: a man of my word. I'll put a kooler together

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Speaker 2: and get some budhan, do you.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, maybe I'll uh, maybe I'll go to

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Speaker 1: maybe I'll go to kayakingfor acause dot com and I'll

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Speaker 1: provide the funds so you can pick it up easily

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Speaker 1: for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can do that for you. Is there

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Speaker 2: anything else from New Orleans that you just love that

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Speaker 1: No, not especially. I mean, I'm a big fan of

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Speaker 1: gumbo and uh and I love Cajun and Creole cooking.

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Speaker 1: But that's fine. If if I can get a roll

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Speaker 1: of budant out of this, it'll be a bargain for me.

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Speaker 1: I got you, all right, fantastic, So from New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: Then you're going to drive back to your doctor's appointment

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Speaker 1: and then drive back down right, Yes, sir, okay? And

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Speaker 1: does the kayak stay in New Orleans or how does

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Speaker 1: that happen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the kayak and all my gears is going to

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Speaker 2: stay in New Orleans. I have a secure place to

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Speaker 2: put it kind of why, Like I wasn't supposed to

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Speaker 2: go to the doctor till the end of the month,

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Speaker 2: but I have a secure place right now. So I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna just, you know, kind of hold up a couple

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Speaker 2: drive home and then drive right back.

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Speaker 1: All right, I got you. What's what's been? Has there

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Speaker 1: been another tough part of the trip so far for you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, all of it sounds pretty grueling to me, but.

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Speaker 2: Uh, just I would say the toughest thing is the

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Speaker 2: Mississippi River. Water levels are extremely low right now, okay,

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's some portageing I have to do in New

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Speaker 2: Well, I've got I've got a set of wheels that

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Speaker 1: That's that's amazing. So from there you get on, you

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Speaker 2: Uh, yes, I will be in Florida all winter long.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, that makes sense. You don't want to. You

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Speaker 2: No, No, it's not very long. They're from New Orleans

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Speaker 2: It's gonna get cold on me. I already know it.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, so you're going You're going all the way

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't know a lot of people that

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 2: There's like a Facebook group I believe that that has

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Speaker 2: A lot of the great Loopers will cut through Lake Okatobe.

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Speaker 3: The tip of the state.

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Speaker 1: Well, you said that you were you were streaming a

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Speaker 2: If you look me up, Joseph Solomon with the Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: Then you're gonna find me s O. L O MO

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time, and let's make plans to check

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, check out with me about that bootand too.

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Speaker 2: I'll be I'm about a week out and I'll be

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Speaker 1: Back with me, all right, you got it?

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Speaker 2: All right? Well, have a good day.

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Speaker 1: Hey you too. Kayaking for a Cause dot com If

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Speaker 1: it's the Nightcap on this on Monday night, October twenty seventh,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, Gary Jeffers. We continue this evening our

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Speaker 1: next guest, most notably was a speech writer from Margaret Thatcher,

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Speaker 1: the great British Prime Minister, who was a beacon of

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Speaker 1: obviously had their political issues ever since Margaret Thatcher left

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Speaker 1: a geopolitical expert, and he is our geopolitical expert in

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Speaker 1: this segment. Would you please welcome Jeff Gilson, Jeff, good evening.

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Speaker 1: How are you.

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Speaker 5: I'm fine, Thank you guy for having me. Happy to

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Speaker 1: You know, before we get into the meat and bones

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Speaker 1: I did want to ask you from historical perspective, because

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Speaker 5: Well, I helped to write speeches for her early on

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Speaker 1: Huh, well, that's amazing that you mentioned she was only

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Speaker 1: five feet tall. In no way did she ever appear

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Speaker 5: Yes, I mean it's very interesting. The other thing about

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Speaker 5: Well, this again is an interesting parallel between Margaret Thatcher

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Speaker 5: to listen to those people whispering to him that he

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Speaker 5: really needed a broad based government.

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Speaker 7: And it was a disaster.

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Speaker 5: And what he achieved wasn't a disaster, but it was

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Speaker 5: very difficult to achieve what he achieved with the economy

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Speaker 5: and for example, with the Abraham Accords. Second time around,

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Speaker 5: he's not done that. He's got people around him who

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Speaker 5: are loyal, people who understands, people who are on the

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Speaker 5: same page. And the most important thing is that he

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Speaker 5: found his footing in dealing with foreign affairs. What he

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Speaker 5: has always been interesting, what he is about, first and foremost,

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Speaker 5: he's not being a politician, but as being a deal maker.

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Speaker 5: He's not a diplomat, he's not a politician. He's not

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Speaker 5: interested in waiving social justice and human rights. What he's

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Speaker 5: interested in is putting America first and doing deals around

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Speaker 5: the world, business deals that are good for America. And

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Speaker 5: that's been his approach to Ukraine and Gaza. He stands

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Speaker 5: there and says, I do not understand the history of

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Speaker 5: these fights. I don't want to understand how it goes

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Speaker 5: back hundreds of years. There is no reason to be fighting,

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Speaker 5: and everybody is losing out on great business opportunities, which

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Speaker 5: are what help people. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 5: I want American business back in Moscow. I want the

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Speaker 5: Russian people to benefit.

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Speaker 7: I want.

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Speaker 5: American business benefiting in Ukraine, and I want American business

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Speaker 5: benefiting a united Middle East economic community, which should include

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Speaker 5: the Palistine Aribs. That's not going to happen with the fighting.

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Speaker 5: The first thing we need to do is stopped the fighting.

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Speaker 5: And what he has employed in both Ukraine and Gaza

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Speaker 5: is fell making tactics where basically you ask two questions,

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Speaker 5: what do you want what do you want to avoid? Well,

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Speaker 5: what about history?

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Speaker 7: I don't care about history? What do you want?

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Speaker 5: And what do you want to avoid? And he uses

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Speaker 5: three things, leverage, threat, and public performance. And he tried

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Speaker 5: it out first of all in Ukraine with the anchorage

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Speaker 5: meeting with Putin and Zolenski meeting with him later and

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Speaker 5: got them to accept they were not each of them

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Speaker 5: going to get everything that they wanted. Then he left

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Speaker 5: the room and the children started goofing off, and he

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Speaker 5: went off to deal with Gaza. In Gaza, he learned

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Speaker 5: his lesson and he made absolutely certain that he would

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Speaker 5: stop the fighting with phases with what do you want?

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Speaker 7: What do you want to avoid?

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Speaker 5: But then he made sure he had a big public

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Speaker 5: performance in Charmel. Schek invited Europeans, invited all of the

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Speaker 5: air donations and say you are invested in this as

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Speaker 5: much as I am, so no goofing off. Now he's

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Speaker 5: gone back to Ukraine and he's employing the same tactics.

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Speaker 5: And when Selensky went to the meeting about a week

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Speaker 5: ago in the White House.

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Speaker 7: Everyone was saying, well, he's going to get.

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Speaker 5: Tomahawk missiles, and I was one of the few people

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Speaker 5: that said, no, he's not. This is a come to

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Speaker 5: Jesus moment for Zelensky when Trump is going to turn

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Speaker 5: around and say I cut my eye off, took my

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Speaker 5: eye off the board, and trusted you and Putin to

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Speaker 5: sort out the details of what we'd agreed, and you

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Speaker 5: Zelensky went running around Europe trying to back out of

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Speaker 5: the deal, and Putin tried to get more land. That's

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Speaker 5: going to stop. No, you're not getting Tomahawk crew's missiles

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Speaker 5: because it will escalate and you need to accept what

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Speaker 5: we have on the ground is what is going to happen.

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Speaker 5: So the genius, if you like that he brought to

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Speaker 5: the deal making in Ukraine and Gaza is this is

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Speaker 5: a business deal. It's not a peace deal or a

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Speaker 5: diplomatic agreement. It's a business steel and that's why it's working.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Gilson, can you imagine someday, say ten years from now,

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Speaker 1: if that coastline in Gaza is really the beautiful, sparkling

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Speaker 1: jewel of the Middle East. Because President Trump was able

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Speaker 1: to bring that piece through business and through common sense

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Speaker 1: with all these other Middle Eastern countries. He went to UAE,

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Speaker 1: went to Cutter, he went to Saudi Arabia, he went

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Speaker 1: to all of the other players in this area, all

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Speaker 1: the other neighbors of Israel, and got their acquiescence and saying, yes,

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Speaker 1: we want, we want this pro business model of free

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Speaker 1: trade and of peace without all the bloodshed, because it

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Speaker 1: makes the most economic sense for everyone involved, including the Palestinians.

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Speaker 1: But can you imagine that day when there are just

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Speaker 1: beautiful hotels and resorts. Do you think that will ever

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Speaker 1: happen in the Gaza strip.

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Speaker 7: That's only exactly how it will happen.

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Speaker 5: But although that chunter is very, very business and that's

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Speaker 5: what he wants to do, he's not a man without

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Speaker 5: a heart. Anybody who's seen him interact personally with people

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Speaker 5: knows that he's not without a heart. What he's not

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Speaker 5: prepared to put him I hope I can use initials

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Speaker 5: BS on your show.

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Speaker 7: He's not prepared to put up with BS.

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Speaker 5: And he says that to everyone, whoever they are. That's

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Speaker 5: why he had net An Yahu in the White House

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Speaker 5: personally apologizing to Qatar. As he sat he said, no,

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Speaker 5: you're going to make that tin of a call right now,

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Speaker 5: right now, while I'm sitting here, I'm putting you in

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Speaker 5: your place. I think that he is aiming for a

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Speaker 5: situation where the Palestinian Arab problem is out of the way,

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Speaker 5: but not Palestinian Arabs.

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Speaker 7: He is well aware that.

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Speaker 5: Whether through their poor leadership or whatever, the party that's

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Speaker 5: come off the worst in all this are the ordinary

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Speaker 5: Palestinian Arab people. And what I think he really wants

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Speaker 5: to see happen is the fighting stop and the land

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Speaker 5: of Gaza made better for the Palestinian Arab people. And

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Speaker 5: in our regard, I think he's going to turn around

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Speaker 5: to Qatar and the Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia said

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Speaker 5: when I've done the deal on the fighting stops, and

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Speaker 5: I pushed back on Israel and we have no more

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Speaker 5: fighting in that area. I am looking to you guys,

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Speaker 5: with your trillions of dollars or sovereign world funds, to

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Speaker 5: open up the purses and help these people rebuild. You

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Speaker 5: don't get to turn your back on it is may

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Speaker 5: not all you know, you'll get some hotels and so on,

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Speaker 5: but you will also help these people rebuild their country.

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Speaker 5: So I think we will see a rebirth of Gaza.

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Speaker 5: But I think there will be some humanity there as

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Speaker 5: well as business, because I think that's what Trump is

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Speaker 5: looking for.

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, you know, arising a rising tide sol boats Jeff.

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Speaker 1: And yes, if he can convince these people that that.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, BS, you are more economical with

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Speaker 1: words than I do. I am because of FCC rules,

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Speaker 1: I always say male bovine fecal samples, but BBS is

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Speaker 1: much more succinct. You're right. Also, I wanted to well,

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Speaker 1: just among the backdrop of what we're talking about in

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Speaker 1: the leadership that President Trump has shown on the world

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Speaker 1: stage in these matters, do you find it ironic that,

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Speaker 1: at the same time President Trump not only is clearly

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Speaker 1: the leader of the Republican party in this country, but

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Speaker 1: the leader of the free world, the Democrats are struggling

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Speaker 1: to find a leader for their party at all, and

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Speaker 1: they're just kind of listless and without direction.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I'll be honest with you. By nature, I would

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Speaker 5: describe myself as a Democrat, but by Republican frame. Laugh

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Speaker 5: and saying not really. What has happened is in the

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Speaker 5: last thirty years, the Democrats have very considerably lost their way.

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Speaker 5: If you look at the Democrat Party now, this is

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Speaker 5: not the Democrat Party of Jack Kennedy or even Bobby

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Speaker 5: Kennedy or even Bobby Kennedy Jr. It is just not

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Speaker 5: the same Democrat Party. It has lost its way. It

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Speaker 5: no longer works and acts for working people. MAGA is

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Speaker 5: more for working people than the Democrats.

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Speaker 7: They've lost a lot.

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Speaker 5: Of time and effort in social engineering fantasy, and it

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Speaker 5: has put off a lot of people like me and

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Speaker 5: people like me and actually a little cast a drift.

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Speaker 5: We are much more likely to look out at the

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Speaker 5: world and be honest about what we see. I don't

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Speaker 5: agree with everything Trump does, but there's an awful lot

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Speaker 5: more for the disagreement.

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Speaker 7: About the Democrats.

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Speaker 5: The Democrat Party at the moment is a party that

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Speaker 5: is lost. And it doesn't surprise me that it cannot

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Speaker 5: find a unified message or a to unite behind because

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Speaker 5: it's totally split. I think the twenty eight Democratic primary

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Speaker 5: race is going to be a blood first.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no question about that. And my my whole question,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Gilson is uh, does a common sense Democrat, say

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Speaker 1: someone like in your image of what a Democrat is

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Speaker 1: or used to be, like a John Fetterman. Does he somehow?

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Speaker 1: Does he somehow rise above the growing Marxist move within

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Speaker 1: the Democrat Party.

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Speaker 5: It's hard to say. The Democrat Party in its primary

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Speaker 5: stages the activists has always been somewhat left wing. It's

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Speaker 5: kind of surprising that Biden managed to rise. And Biden

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Speaker 5: isn't Biden wasn't a rabid left winger. It's kind of

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Speaker 5: surprisingly erose Obama the saying sometimes the Democrat Party will

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Speaker 5: get a hold of itself and try and bring a

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Speaker 5: centrist type leader to the foe. I think those days

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Speaker 5: are gone. I read an eclectic number of media outlets

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Speaker 5: and get subscriptions and so on and everything that I'm

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Speaker 5: hearing from internally within the Democratic activist basis, their teeth

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Speaker 5: are set, and they really want to see somebody like

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Speaker 5: a Newsome, even AOC, become the Democratic presidential candidate in

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: Newsom has got some definite problems with authenticity, and we

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Speaker 1: just do as I say, not as I do, kind

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Speaker 1: of things that the voters hopefully will remember when they

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Speaker 1: go and cast their ballots. If say, Agavin Newsom is

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Speaker 1: on that ballot or in a primary. I just there's

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Speaker 1: just a lack of real to what's going on right

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Speaker 1: now within the Democrat Party, whether it's the Marxist left wing.

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Speaker 1: Is Aron Mondani pie in the sky, you know, taking

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Speaker 1: over the means of production and Marxism and AOC who

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Speaker 1: really it strikes me as odd that she actually graduated

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Speaker 1: from anywhere when I hear her speak. And Gavin Newsom,

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Speaker 1: the famous French laundryman, who's you know, out out and about.

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Speaker 1: When he's telling people to stay cloistered in their homes

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Speaker 1: and wear masks. You know, people are not going to

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Speaker 1: forget that.

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Speaker 7: I hope no.

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Speaker 5: I mean I some things are easy, Gary, something's aren't.

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Speaker 7: Let's take the easy things.

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Speaker 5: Could I vote for jdvanswer twenty eight Yes. Could I

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Speaker 5: vote AOC? Not a chance? Would I vote ever? Knew

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Speaker 5: some not a chance? People who describe themselves as democratic socialists.

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Speaker 5: I joke about this in some ways. It's probably a

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Speaker 5: bad joke, but I joke about it anyway. I said,

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Speaker 5: putting words in front of the words socialism does not

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Speaker 5: qualify it. If you are a socialist you're a socialist,

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Speaker 5: then you're a democratic socialist. Doesn't qualify Go and read

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Speaker 5: the Democratic Charter. I did because I did my homework,

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Speaker 5: and you're absolutely right, right into the means of production,

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Speaker 5: the green, the green, the green, the New Green Deal

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Speaker 5: and everyone why you know it's it's wearing our hearts sleeves.

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Speaker 5: We like fairly teddy bears. We want to preserve the environment.

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Speaker 5: I said, go in and read it. Read the last

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Speaker 5: two clauses. It's got nothing to do with fuzzy wuzzy

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Speaker 5: save the environment. It talks about community ownership of the

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Speaker 5: means of production in order to save the environment.

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Speaker 7: Was uppish.

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Speaker 5: I grew up in Great Britain, I mean, your listeners

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Speaker 5: right now, Army attaction, American citizen, but I was born

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Speaker 5: and raised born in the United States Air Force base

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Speaker 5: in England and raised there. And in the nineteen seventies

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Speaker 5: we had socialists in Great Britain and they almost destroyed

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Speaker 5: the country and it took Margaret Thatcher to rescue it.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Gilson, thank you so much for your time. Ours

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Speaker 1: is sadly gone, but I appreciate it so much. As

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Speaker 1: we get into another hour of the nightcap here on

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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW joining us now a first time guest

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Speaker 1: of Mind, but he's been on the scene for literally

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Speaker 1: decades now. He is the president of the David Horowitz

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Speaker 1: Freedom Center, and he has a brand new book out

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Speaker 1: which is a collection of essays about the enduring spirit

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Speaker 1: of America, our liberty, our land, our hopes, our memories,

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Speaker 1: our faith, and the beauty of our culture that we

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Speaker 1: seek to restore. It's not all gone yet. It hasn't

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Speaker 1: all been torn down like a Civil War statue somewhere

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Speaker 1: in the mid South. That it is still there. The

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Speaker 1: heartbeat of what this country is all about is still beating,

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Speaker 1: many would say, and maybe our guest will say, it's

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Speaker 1: been on life support for a time, but it's back

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Speaker 1: and beating stronger than I believe it hasn't a long time.

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Speaker 1: We'll get our guest reads. Michael Finch, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: How are you.

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Speaker 8: I'm doing great, Grey, Thank you again for having me on.

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Speaker 8: It's a real honor. Hello Cincinnati, and looking forward to

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Speaker 8: talking about the book and this wonderful, incredible, beautiful country

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Speaker 8: and culture and history that we have.

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Speaker 1: How did you get associated originally with the David Horowitz

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Speaker 1: Freedom Center, Michael tell me about.

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Speaker 3: That they've been working. Yeah, I've been working. I had work.

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Speaker 3: Of course.

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Speaker 8: David just passed away earlier this year, right were said

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Speaker 8: saying we miss him greatly. I started working for David

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Speaker 8: almost twenty three years ago. I had been working for

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Speaker 8: the Claremont Institute. Larry arn who now runs Hillsdale College,

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Speaker 8: was the president of the Claremont Institute back then. I

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Speaker 8: worked for Larry for a few years and he left

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Speaker 8: for Hillsdale, and there's some changes, and I had the opportunity.

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Speaker 8: I got interviewed by David twenty three years ago, and

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Speaker 8: it was kind of love at first, I guess. I

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Speaker 8: worked side by side with David for over twenty years,

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Speaker 8: learned a lot, very interesting and challenging, and I'm very grateful.

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Speaker 3: I had all those years with David.

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Speaker 8: It was a remarkable experience, and we're keeping the mission

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Speaker 8: keeping his legacy alive so into the next twenty years,

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Speaker 8: I hope. But it was a great experience.

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Speaker 1: I had the pleasure of interviewing mister Horowitz on numerous occasions,

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Speaker 1: and the thing that challenged me as a talk show

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Speaker 1: host was the demand never stopped talking, and it was

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Speaker 1: really hard to it was really hard to get another

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Speaker 1: question in edge waise you were talking to David Horowitz.

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Speaker 8: But well, I never had the pleasure of interviewing him,

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Speaker 8: but we spoke on the phone at least a couple

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Speaker 8: of times a day, and they were usually kind of

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Speaker 8: one way conversation.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is what we need to do.

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Speaker 8: And David was incredibly passionate, and he was a force.

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Speaker 8: And he's left a huge vacuum obviously, but he had

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Speaker 8: so much that he wanted to teach to us, to

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Speaker 8: citizens about how dangerous the left is about politics and

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Speaker 8: life in general. That you know, sometimes you just sit

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Speaker 8: and kind of listen. David would always get his point

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Speaker 8: across very forcefully. Sometimes that's how passionate he was about

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Speaker 8: defending America.

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Speaker 1: What has called you? You think to spend your life

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Speaker 1: working with these nonprofits and these conservative groups you mentioned

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Speaker 1: the Claremont Institute now president of the David Horowitz Freedom Center.

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Speaker 1: What motivates Michael Finch to do what he does?

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Speaker 8: Well, No, I've been I've loved the history and America

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Speaker 8: and politics. I loved it, you know, And unlike David,

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Speaker 8: I was conservative at per so. I guess someone says,

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Speaker 8: if you grow when you grow up, you're a liberal

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Speaker 8: and then you become a conservative, or if you have

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Speaker 8: a heart or something like that. Maybe I was heartless.

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Speaker 8: I was a conservative from day one, but I had

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Speaker 8: a passion for America. And it sounds corny, but you know,

729
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Speaker 8: wanting to make a difference. I always wanted to make

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Speaker 8: a difference. And to be able to do this, I

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Speaker 8: have to say, Gary, to be able to do this

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Speaker 8: as a career, I'm incredibly blessed because I've spent pretty

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Speaker 8: much my whole life in this kind of arena. I'm

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Speaker 8: over sixty years old, and you know, this is to say,

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Speaker 8: this is a job to wake up every day and

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Speaker 8: to do everything I can to help the Center, to

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Speaker 8: help the different organizations I've worked for, and to be

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Speaker 8: able to have the freedom to be able to write

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Speaker 8: and speak and to say, you know, I think David

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Speaker 8: made a huge difference. Obviously the Larry arn't in that

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Speaker 8: group at the Claremont and made a huge difference. So

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Speaker 8: to be able to just play a part in that,

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Speaker 8: I'm incredibly blessed. So this is my career and I

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Speaker 8: would feel, you know, I don't know how long you've

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Speaker 8: been doing radio, but I would probably feel you feel

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Speaker 8: the same way to say, this is my job is

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Speaker 8: to kind of talk about these issues and to have

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Speaker 8: the freedom to say what you want to say, and

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Speaker 8: people listen, and you have an impact on people's lives

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Speaker 8: and talk radio and I'd like to think for my

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Speaker 8: part that I've had an impact and kind of restoring

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Speaker 8: the greatness of this country from all my years working

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Speaker 8: for nonprofits.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty eight and a half years doing talk radio

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Speaker 1: and about forty five in the business being on the air.

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Speaker 3: So wonderful. Yeah, thank you for all you do.

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Speaker 1: Really, And it's funny you say you were born a conservative.

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Speaker 1: I think I was born with a microphone in front

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Speaker 1: of my face. And from the time I was seven

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Speaker 1: years old, I wanted to do this, and I got

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Speaker 1: the chance at nineteen and I've just never stopped anyway,

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Speaker 1: Michael Finch, let's talk a little bit about time to

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Speaker 1: stand and I want to do some compare and contrast

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Speaker 1: of what these essays illustrate about what America is and

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Speaker 1: what we have to lose and what we should hold

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Speaker 1: on to compared to what's going on in this country today.

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Speaker 1: Let's say, let's say, how, for example, give me a

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Speaker 1: clear distinction between a zoron Mom, Donnie and what you're

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Speaker 1: write about in time to stand about what's important.

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Speaker 8: Well, first, you know, look, I mean we're you know,

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Speaker 8: we're We're a great republic. We have freedom, we have liberty,

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Speaker 8: and that's what makes America unique, aspirational and special. Right,

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Speaker 8: I mean, America I think stands out. It's a shining

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Speaker 8: city on the hill. We have you know, the founders

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Speaker 8: created an incredible government that has survived for a couple

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Speaker 8: hundred years because.

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Speaker 3: We have liberty. Right, we have liberty.

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Speaker 8: We have So Mandani is he's first of all, he's

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Speaker 8: I don't know if he calls uf a socialist or

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Speaker 8: a communist. I'm not going to even split the difference.

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Speaker 8: To me, he's a communist and he's a I don't know,

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Speaker 8: I don't know if he said that he believes in

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Speaker 8: Shria law. He embraced the nine to eleven Imom who

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Speaker 8: talked things that make Reverend Right look like a Love

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Speaker 8: America preacher. So he's kind of in that arm.

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Speaker 3: David called it the.

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Speaker 8: Unholy alliance of radical Islam and the radical left, and

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Speaker 8: that is a force that we are fighting across the

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Speaker 8: board in American around the world. And he kind of

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Speaker 8: epitomizes both of those. He's certainly, you know, a socialist

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Speaker 8: slash communist, whatever you want to call it economically, but

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Speaker 8: he's also he's very He's made some very anti israel comments,

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Speaker 8: anti Semitic comments, and you know, he embraces a philosophy

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Speaker 8: that is, I think, the complete opposite of what America represents.

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Speaker 8: That doesn't mean he doesn't have a right. I mean,

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Speaker 8: we could argue that if he believes in Shria law,

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Speaker 8: then how does he take an oath to defend the constitution.

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Speaker 8: The two are incompatible. But he's got a right to

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Speaker 8: run for office. And look, I mean, New York may

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Speaker 8: get what they deserve if they vote for him. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 8: New York is the financial capital of the country, perhaps

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Speaker 8: financial capital of the world. So it's very dangerous. I

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Speaker 8: think there's a huge, huge danger in him becoming mayor.

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Speaker 8: But the country split. I mean, the radical left has

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Speaker 8: completely taken over the Democrat Party. We see a lot

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Speaker 8: of people of his philosophy in the Democrat Party and

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Speaker 8: that's a danger to the country.

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Speaker 3: We just go ahead.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Mike.

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Speaker 1: I don't Michael, I don't see the division that keeps

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Speaker 1: on being brought up on the media all the time

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Speaker 1: when I'm out and about maybe it's maybe I'm just

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Speaker 1: moving in my own little bubble. But among most people,

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Speaker 1: the term common sense dictates, and most people are still

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Speaker 1: attuned to living by the the tenets of common sense

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Speaker 1: when it comes to a lot of these issues. And

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Speaker 1: I just don't see the division in my day to

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Speaker 1: day life. And I'm in different groups of people all

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Speaker 1: the time.

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Speaker 8: Well, you're right, I mean, if the look, I mean,

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Speaker 8: Donald Trump won twice, arguably three times. But you know,

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Speaker 8: we won't get into that conversation the majority of Americans.

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Speaker 8: And you're in Ohio, which is a red state. But

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Speaker 8: you know what is California thinking it's got a far

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Speaker 8: left legislature. Gavin Newsom is actually moderate compared to the

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Speaker 8: members of the legislature in Sacramento. So New York, I mean,

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Speaker 8: we know where in New York. Look at the governor

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Speaker 8: of New York just north of you, the governor of Michigan.

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Speaker 8: Michigan's had some good governors. I'm originally from Chicago, Illinois,

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Speaker 8: so Illinois politics. You know, it moved to California to

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Speaker 8: actually probably get better politics. And it's a little prettier

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Speaker 8: in the climate's better. But there are parts of the

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Speaker 8: country that are following. And look at some of the

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Speaker 8: cities Portland, Minneapolis, Chicago. I mean, these cities are falling apart. Now,

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Speaker 8: not every city's falling apart, but cities that follow this

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Speaker 8: ideology are collapsing. I don't get it either. I feel

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Speaker 8: very strongly that there's a turn in this country. President

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Speaker 8: Trump was reaching people that had been Democrats for their

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Speaker 8: whole lives. It's changing, and I think he's had a

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Speaker 8: huge impact. He certainly has transformed the Republican Party and

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Speaker 8: he's reaching a lot of the working class Democrats that

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Speaker 8: are fed up with where the Democrat Party's going. So

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Speaker 8: I feel pretty good about the restoration. I feel that

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Speaker 8: America is becoming great again, and that means it's history

845
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Speaker 8: and its culture are going to be embraced. So I

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Speaker 8: feel optimistic about that. But look, this is a very

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Speaker 8: radical and vocal minority that's had made huge inroads into

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Speaker 8: parts of the country. So you know, look, Reagan said,

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Speaker 8: we've got to fight every generation, and the seductive ideology

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Speaker 8: the left, as David taught us over all these years,

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Speaker 8: is incredibly seductive, and that's something that we're never going

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Speaker 8: to be able to say we defeated the left because

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Speaker 8: that the philosophy of Marxism, socialism, communism is incredibly powerful

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Speaker 8: and it reaches people in ways that I can't understand

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Speaker 8: or explain, but it's very powerful and it's there. I mean,

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Speaker 8: it's a real danger to the country, even though I

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Speaker 8: think you're right the majority of Americans are with us.

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Speaker 1: In a Time to stand. You talk about the critical

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Speaker 1: importance of restoring the greatness of American culture, and you've

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Speaker 1: mentioned that, referenced that a couple of times here. What

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Speaker 1: do you think is at the top of that pyramid

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Speaker 1: of greatness of American culture that we really really need

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Speaker 1: to focus on and bring back.

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Speaker 8: Michael Well, I think you've kind of combined it with

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Speaker 8: American history, and we've seen what the left has done

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Speaker 8: in our education system and just tearing apart of American history.

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Speaker 8: Now we teach the Howard Zen version of American history,

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Speaker 8: the sixteen nineteen project America is sexist, racist, that Christopher

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Speaker 8: Columbus came to the New World simply to completely destroy

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Speaker 8: the ecosystem and the environment. I mean, on and on

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Speaker 8: and on, and we have to fight that because conservatives

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00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 8: have seated that ground in the schools unfortunately. And the culture,

873
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 8: it's the painting, it's the writing, it's the poetry, it's

874
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 8: the architecture, it's you know, go to Columbus. The state

875
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 8: capitals in this country built beautiful buildings, most of them

876
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 8: in washing DC. The federal buildings that were built over

877
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 8: one hundred years ago. We have an incredibly beautiful culture.

878
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 8: The landscape paintings of the nineteenth century, it really points

879
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 8: to the aspirational part of American history. Thomas Jefferson wanted

880
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 8: federal buildings and government buildings to have that classical design

881
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 8: from Greece and Rome, because he said, that's what's going

882
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 8: to unite America as a new republic. It's a search

883
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 8: for beauty, and American culture is incredibly beautiful. We had

884
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 8: a golden age of that culture from the mid eighteen

885
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 8: hundreds still about nineteen thirty and since then we've still there.

886
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 8: But we've seen the degradation. We've seen that across the

887
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 8: board with America right especially since the nineteen sixties. But

888
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 8: we need to teach how wonderful in America is because

889
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 8: the culture unites us and binds us. And I was

890
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 8: and I don't want to keep going on on, but

891
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 8: conservatives have done a great job at Hillsdale College and

892
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 8: many of the the kind of think tanks and talking

893
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 8: about the Federalist papers, the Constitution, the Declaration, the Gettysburg Address,

894
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 8: all of that is what politically the political culture that

895
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 8: binds us. But there's another part of the culture. I

896
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 8: think that we need to focus on and educate. Most

897
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 8: of the things that I write about in the book

898
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 8: in terms of American culture are not things I learned

899
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 8: in school, And like said, I'm in my sixties, so

900
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 8: it's not like I went to school last decade. These

901
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 8: are things that I've learned on my own. And I

902
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 8: think it's important for the schools to not just teach

903
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 8: about what's so stained and negative and horrible about American history,

904
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 8: but what's beautiful, and it is beautiful more than just

905
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 8: a political republic and all those wonderful things, we also

906
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 8: have a beautiful culture.

907
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: You're talking about the left's attacks on history talking to

908
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: Michael Finch, the author of A Time to Stand In,

909
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 1: the president of the David Horowitz Freedom Center on the Nightcap. Michael,

910
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: you talk about the left's attacks on our history and

911
00:52:54,680 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: culture when the statues started coming down, the monuments, and

912
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: you saw even George Washington and Abraham Lincoln monuments and

913
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: statues being desecrated or being torn down around the country.

914
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: It reminded me of exactly what happened when Isis had

915
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: a stronghold in the Middle East and they were taking

916
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: down all these antiquities, and it reminded me of what

917
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: Mao did in communists China when he tried to erase

918
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: all of the proud culture and history that had come

919
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: before Mao. And this is what the left does everywhere

920
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: it tries to get a foothold, is it not?

921
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 3: Oh?

922
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 8: Absolutely, I know some conservatives will disagreed with me on this.

923
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 8: But you know, my family, my great great grandfather fought

924
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 8: was Iowa, fought for the Union for.

925
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: The entirety of the Civil War.

926
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 8: But the Roberty Lee was a great American even before

927
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 8: the Civil War. He was a hero in the Mexican

928
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 8: American War. He was one of the great American in generals,

929
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 8: and that's part of history. You may not like what

930
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 8: he did, you may not like what he represented, fighting

931
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 8: for the state of Virginia, fighting for you know, leading

932
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 8: the charge for the Confederacy, but Roberty Lee is a

933
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 8: very important American in our history. We need to teach

934
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 8: about Robert E. Lee and what he represented, because you

935
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 8: need to learn about all aspects of history. And I

936
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 8: said very pointedly, if you try to take his statue down,

937
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 8: or Stonewall Jackson, or who were Jefferson Davis or whoever else,

938
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 8: they're going to go after Jefferson and Washington. And sure enough,

939
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 8: in twenty twenty they're in the riot, the George Floyd riots.

940
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 8: They even were trying to take down statues of Abraham Lincoln,

941
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 8: of course, is the great emancipator. So you're right, it

942
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 8: never ends. The left wants that in order to create

943
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 8: this great new America utopia, you need to completely destroy

944
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 8: and you, you know, perfectly pointed out what Mao did,

945
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 8: what Stalin and Lennon did. In order to create the

946
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 8: new utopia, you have to eliminate all the history of

947
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 8: the old whatever stands before it, you need to eliminate that.

948
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 3: So the idea of.

949
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 8: Just tearing part of American history and tearing down the statues,

950
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 8: it's heart wrenching, it really is. And I'll defend whatever

951
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 8: statues are up, that's part of American history. I don't

952
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 8: think any of these statues should be taken off. You

953
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 8: want to build new statues, that's great, But the old

954
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 8: statues represent our history and it's something you know, whether

955
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 8: it's a proud part of the proud history or part

956
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 8: of the history we need to talk about or learn from.

957
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 8: I think regardless of that, those statues need to stand.

958
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: Well, if you act like it never happened, they never existed,

959
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: then you don't learn anything exactly.

960
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 3: That's exactly right.

961
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 8: And why would we follow the example of Lenin Stalin

962
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 8: And now you know, I don't know, but that's the left.

963
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 8: That's what they represent, and they want to tear down

964
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 8: our history. It didn't start in seventeen seventy six. Supposedly,

965
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 8: it started in sixteen nineteen. And that's that. You know,

966
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 8: you're just going to denigrate and put this huge stain

967
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 8: on what is a wonderful history.

968
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: Real quickly, in the last couple of minutes we got left,

969
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: Michael Finch, give me example of one essay you're write

970
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: in a time to stand that people. Give me a

971
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: little tease here in.

972
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 8: The book, Well, I wrote an essay about American architecture.

973
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 8: Donald Trump in his first term right at the end

974
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 8: of his first term, enacted in executive order saying that

975
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 8: all buildings, federal buildings and new federal buildings needed to

976
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 8: be built in the classical style, at least have some

977
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 8: adhere instead of Greek and Roman classical style. He was

978
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 8: mirroring what Jefferson did a couple hundred years ago. He

979
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 8: immediately was attacked as a Nazi. I guess Hitler liked

980
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 8: the parthonon in classical Everyone loves classical architecture. That's why

981
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 8: it's classical architecture. But he was attacked as a Nazi

982
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 8: and fascist fascist architecture. Joe Biden rescinded that executive order.

983
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 8: I'm hoping he'll come back with it. We have a

984
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 8: president who also attacked the Wocism and the Smithsonian and

985
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 8: these other institutions and museums. We have a president that

986
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 8: understands America's beautiful, that we have a beautiful culture, and

987
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 8: that includes the art and the buildings that represent it.

988
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 8: It's really important that we remember that and defend that

989
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 8: and restore that greatness of American culture.

990
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: A Time to Stand, a new book by Michael Finch,

991
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: who was the president of the David Horowitz Freedom Center

992
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: our guest tonight. I can't thank you enough for your time, Mike.

993
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: I can't think of a better way that I could

994
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: have filled it. So it's a pleasure.

995
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

996
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 8: No, this was a real honor.

997
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 3: I'm very grateful. Thank you.

998
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: Great day and great success with the book. It's available

999
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: now right.

1000
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,919
Speaker 8: Yes, it is on Amazon or front pagemag dot com,

1001
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 8: which is the Center's website at our bookstore, but you

1002
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 8: can go to Amazon or Barnes and Nobles any of

1003
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 8: the other websites in order it.

1004
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1005
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: Please continue the great work with the David Horowitz Freedom Center, Michael.

1006
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 3: Thanks, will do I appreciate that. Thank you.

1007
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: You got it. Joshua Philip from the Epic Times. We'll

1008
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: be hanging around with us for a little while after

1009
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: the next news break, and this is the nightcap on

1010
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW. Our next guest this evening is a

1011
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: senior investigative reporter, coast of host of Crossroads at the

1012
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: Epoch Times, an award winning journalist, documentary filmmaker. And we're

1013
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: going to get into some of those a little bit,

1014
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: even though it's past tense along with what's going on today.

1015
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: But for the sake of just getting it started. Joshua Philip,

1016
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.

1017
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 6: How are you hey, My pleasure being here, And yeah,

1018
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 6: you know, interesting times, but not bad as a journalist,

1019
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 6: I guess right, Yeah.

1020
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: What's what's the old curse? May you live in interesting times?

1021
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 7: What killed me? We're living what killed.

1022
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: Me during during COVID and the ensuing riots during the

1023
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: Summer of Hate in twenty twenty. And I remember being

1024
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: on the radio and I heard all these ads and

1025
00:58:55,200 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: they'd start with during these uncertain times, during these during

1026
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: these interesting times, during you know, it was like has

1027
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: any time in the history of mankind been certain about?

1028
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 4: What was?

1029
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: That was my first question.

1030
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 6: A good point, good, good point.

1031
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: And my second question was I'd rather not be so

1032
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: interesting a lot of the time.

1033
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 6: Well, well, you know, the COVID era and while we

1034
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 6: were locked out in our houses because we're afraid of

1035
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 6: getting the virus and you were allowed to go protest,

1036
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 6: that was quite interesting. I'd say that. I'd say that

1037
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 6: was quite interesting because you know, the messaging was, you know,

1038
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 6: it's too dangerous to go outside. COVID is going to

1039
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 6: kill you, but it won't touch you if you're protesting

1040
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 6: and burning down your city.

1041
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 9: So yeah, go figure, right, Yeah, the strip bars were open,

1042
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 9: and hey, mom and pop grocery stores are shuttered.

1043
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: All of that.

1044
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, you know, COVID it was very.

1045
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 9: Selective, you know, as we know, right, sure, sure, and

1046
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 9: then we found out as I suspected from the very beginning,

1047
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 9: Joshua and I said this on the air at the time.

1048
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: I was one of the loudest dissenting voices in April

1049
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: and May of twenty twenty, calling this stuff out as

1050
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: it was happening right in front of me. I'll tell

1051
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: your quick story and then we'll get onto the topics.

1052
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: So in April of twenty twenty, when we were told

1053
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: that we had, you know, fifteen days to stop the spread,

1054
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: slow the spread or whatever, and they were closing down

1055
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: businesses as being non essential, and then big box stores

1056
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: were still essential, but the mom and pops weren't. I

1057
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: got a card in the from the radio station from

1058
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: two federal agencies I'd never heard of before, telling me

1059
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: that I had special permission to travel on the interstate

1060
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: as emergency broadcast personnel through May thirty first, twenty twenty.

1061
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: So when they were saying in March and April, we're

1062
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: going to take, you know, a week or two weeks

1063
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: to slow the spread, and then we'll get back to normal.

1064
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: I knew they were full of it then, because they

1065
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: just issued me a card that said I was good

1066
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: till May thirty first, which meant that I could travel

1067
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: and very few other people were supposed to. My wife

1068
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: and I traveled all the time. So that was just

1069
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: my personal aside on how real all of that was.

1070
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: But I was very vocal at the time, and I

1071
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: still am vocal, although most of the time I've had

1072
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: to resist the effort or the want to say.

1073
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 2: I was right.

1074
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: I was right about all of it. I was right

1075
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: about mask I was right about the six foot rule,

1076
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: I was right about you know anyway.

1077
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 6: No, no, you got to remind people sometimes, you know.

1078
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 7: Now.

1079
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 6: I remember, for me, you know, speaking about my work

1080
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 6: in the early days of the virus, I did I

1081
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 6: think the first major investigation into the virus origins. You know,

1082
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 6: I did a big documentary released within about maybe two

1083
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 6: months of the whole thing, and I mean it was

1084
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 6: shocking because it was all based on public reporting. We

1085
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 6: used documentation coming out from China. We used things that

1086
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 6: they later deleted. Everybody forgets now but do you remember

1087
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Speaker 6: they actually released the virus sequence in China, then they

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Speaker 6: disappeared the researcher who did the virus and then every yeah,

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Speaker 6: then every Western journal that published the virus sequence deleted it.

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Speaker 7: If it was a.

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Speaker 6: Serious pandemic, why in you know, why in anything, why

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Speaker 6: would you delete evidence on the virus sequence to make

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01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 6: it you can't research it. And so I remember reporting

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01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 6: this stuff, and you know, I'm thinking, Okay, I'm contributing

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01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 6: to the good of the world, and I'm showing probably

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01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 6: where the virus came from. I'm showing information on what,

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01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 6: you know, what the virus is based on scientific public reporting.

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Speaker 6: I got censored, I got attacked, I got I got

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01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 6: just about deplatformed. Facebook sent an alert to every person

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Speaker 6: who shared my documentary telling telling them they shared false information.

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Speaker 6: In terms of the person who's fact checked me actually

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Speaker 6: worked at the Chinese virus they will want into the virology.

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Speaker 6: And the basis of the fact check was they have

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Speaker 6: very good security, and because they have good security, it's

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Speaker 6: not possible that a virus outbreak like like this.

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Speaker 7: It was it was a.

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Speaker 6: Clown world and I was I mean, it's one thing

1108
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 6: when you see other people get canceled. When you experience it,

1109
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 6: it's because you know it's true or not. When you

1110
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 6: experienced it, it's such a surreal thing because you can

1111
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 6: see just how they lie. Frankly, it was really bizarre.

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Speaker 1: I was. There was so much of that going on

1113
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: Joshua at the time in media and anybody in social media,

1114
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: anybody who was dissenting from the propaganda that was being

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01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: put out, mostly by communist China and our government. I

1116
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: am still surprised that I never was told to lay back.

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01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: I never was told to stop doing what I was

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Speaker 1: doing on the air, and they didn't take me off

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Speaker 1: the air. I don't know if it's because only five

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Speaker 1: people were listening at the time I was on. I'm

1121
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: not sure, but I somehow survived that period of cancelation,

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01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: and you know, the total isolation of people who just

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01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: didn't go along with the approved narratives. So yeah, I

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01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: feel very fortunate that I worked for people who felt

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01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: like free speech was still important. The real story of

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Speaker 1: January sixth is one of your documentaries.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that was another one that was quite quite

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Speaker 6: the adventure.

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Speaker 1: All right, So give me in a reader's digest condensed version.

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Speaker 1: Nobody knows what those are anymore. The real story of

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Speaker 1: January sixth, according to the work you did, Joshua Philip

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01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: in that documentary back in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 6: So we did three parts with that. The first part

1134
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 6: was and was an investigation into security camera footage to

1135
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 6: break down the incidents that day, the timelines, and also

1136
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 6: the way that the whole story went down. And basically

1137
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 6: the first one we found that the public narrative was fake.

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01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 6: Trump did not call for an insurrection. The real story

1139
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 6: of it was that actually Trump had a scheduled speaking

1140
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 6: event at the Capitol Building. They had a platform set up,

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01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 6: scheduled speakers, a permit for it. Trump had author the

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01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,919
Speaker 6: deployment of the National Guard, which was at the time

1143
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 6: for some reason, they were lying about that Trump authorized

1144
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 6: flue of the National Guard.

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01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 7: It was denied.

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01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 6: Notably, it was not accepted. And you know, I think

1147
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 6: we'll maybe find out who's responsible for that. But Trump

1148
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 6: wanted Trump wanted national guard, Trump wanted riot.

1149
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: Please Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi is still saying that Trump

1150
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: denied the National Guard on January sixth. He's still saying

1151
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: that when she is the one of the prime players

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01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: in making sure that that did not happen.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So the real story was they had all that.

1154
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 6: Trump wanted members of Congress to read the evidence of

1155
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 6: election fraud, and that was what he was actually going for.

1156
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 6: That was what his interest was. And so January sixth

1157
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 6: technically derailed that. The people who tore down the barricades,

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01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 6: the people who tore down the no trespassing signs, the

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01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 6: people who gained access to the building, and notably they

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01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 6: signaled on the camera to people opened the door, and

1161
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 6: they opened the door. They have a huge magnetic door.

1162
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 6: You'd need like a like a you'd need like a

1163
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 6: missile to blow that thing open.

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01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 3: They opened the door.

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Speaker 6: That all happened while Trump was still speaking at the ellipse.

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01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 6: Those were not the people who are listening Trump speak

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01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 6: who went and did that. That happened as he was

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01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 6: speaking the other side too. No police officers were killed

1169
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 6: that day. The whole story about you know, the guy

1170
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 6: hit with a fire extinguisher and murdered, it was fake.

1171
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 6: Three people died that day. One was Ashley Babbitt, shot

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Speaker 6: in the neck by a police officer as she was

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01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 6: unarmed climbing through a window. The two other people, Roseanne Boyland.

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01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 6: They said she died of a of a like of

1175
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 6: a of an overdose she was on like Riddlin. We

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01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 6: have video of her trapped in a tunnel and her

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Speaker 6: her limp body is being beaten by by one of

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01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 6: the Capitol police officers and people and people are trying

1179
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 6: to pull their body out from under the crowd. She

1180
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 6: was trampled. The other individual died of heart complications. We

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Speaker 6: have evidence that police are the ones who tear gas themselves, unfortunately,

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01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 6: including a couple of really wild ones who are just

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01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 6: literally grabbing stun grenades off the belts of their officers

1184
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 6: and grabbing tear gas you know, launchers out of the

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01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 6: hands of officers and just launching the randomly into the crowd.

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01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 6: Police firing down from above at the crowd people, Police

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01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 6: hitting people in the head with their clubs in ways

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01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 6: that are illegal because you can kill people. Just real

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01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 6: flagrant violations of abuse and use of force. And also

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01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 6: the fact that most of the injuries of the police

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01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 6: were actually caused by them themselves because they tear gased

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01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 6: themselves and they didn't have the equipment to deal with it.

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01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not throwing them under the bus because

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01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 6: they were they were thrown into a situation and situation

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01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 6: they shouldn't have been in because they were not given

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01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 6: the resources or the equipment to handle that situation. But

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01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 6: you know, that was the real story. January six was

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Speaker 6: basically the first one was the narrative you've been told

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01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 6: is just plain wrong. And then from their epic times

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Speaker 6: has actually given access to all their unreleased footage by Congress,

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01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 6: and so we were able to have reporters go in

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01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 6: view the footage. We were one of I think three

1203
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 6: news outlets that was actually given this access, and we

1204
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 6: were able to request clips, and we published a very

1205
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 6: in depth feature showing people all this unreleased footage and

1206
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 6: key parts of it that basically just debunked a lot

1207
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 6: of the big narrative on it. And you know, I'm

1208
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 6: not saying that I'm not saying that there were no

1209
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 6: incidents of violence against police. There were some people who,

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Speaker 6: in my opinion, did believe it did belong in jail,

1211
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 6: but again, the overall picture and the overall narrative was

1212
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 6: just utterly fake. And on top of that too, you

1213
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 6: also had you also had people being denied exculpatory evidence

1214
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 6: to prove their innocence in court, which we had access to,

1215
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,879
Speaker 6: and they were not even allowed to show the evidence.

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Speaker 1: I've talked to many January sixth defendants in the past

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01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: couple of years. Josh and Uh, one of the gentlemen

1218
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: who was in prison in the gulag for like over

1219
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: three years, was one of the well, was one of

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Speaker 1: the guys who tried to pull the Capitol police off

1221
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: of Roslin who was being beaten to death in that tunnel.

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01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 1: He tried, he tried to pull them off, and he

1223
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: got arrested for that and charged with the soul. It's amazing.

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Speaker 6: Well, we had we had a clip. We had a

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01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 6: clip where and you can see it. You can hear

1226
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 6: it in the audio. One of the protesters runs.

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Speaker 7: Into a police officer.

1228
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 6: They go tumbling down, and you know, it looks like

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01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 6: they run into each other the police that you can

1230
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 6: hear in the audio. The guy says, Oh, I'm so sorry,

1231
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 6: I'm so sorry. Let me let me help you up.

1232
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,799
Speaker 6: I'm so sorry. Let's get up together, Let's get it together.

1233
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 6: When when they showed that video in court, they removed

1234
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 6: the audio and video, it looks like you run the

1235
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 6: police officer and tackles him, but they removed the audio

1236
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 6: to to in my opinion, falsify evidence to make it

1237
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 6: look like he was attacking the officer and that was

1238
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 6: though he was actually painted. And so why why would

1239
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 6: you why would you remove part of the evidence. Someone

1240
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:17,640
Speaker 6: had to remove the audio to do that.

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01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 4: Why would they do that?

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01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 7: You know?

1243
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 6: And there was just a lot of weird things like

1244
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 6: that that that we did uncover during that reporting.

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01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:31,799
Speaker 1: UH, in your latest piece Crossroads Trump, is Trump preparing

1246
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: for a war against Venezuela and Maduro? What have what

1247
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: have you found in that reporting?

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Speaker 6: So, in my opinion, a lot of the reporting on

1249
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 6: Venezuela is uh is media being dishonest. The real story

1250
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 6: is this Maduro and Lula. You know Maduro of course

1251
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 6: in Venezuela, Lula and Brazil. We're planning to launch a

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01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 6: war against Guyana as of a few months ago, and

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01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 6: so there was a war a doctor start in South America.

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01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 6: And the bigger context of that is Guyana, a country

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Speaker 6: just north of Venezuela. They discovered one of the largest

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01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 6: oil reserves in the entire world a few years ago.

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Speaker 6: And just being blunt, everybody.

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Speaker 7: Wants it, Uh.

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Speaker 6: The United States has legitimate legal operations, their eggs on

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01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 6: Is is one of the companies involved in with you know,

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01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 6: oil exploration and working with the government in Guyana. Maduro

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01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 6: claims that he has historical ownership over that part of

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01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 6: Guyana and he was going to annex it, and they were,

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01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 6: They even passed in their in their court a law

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01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 6: that would allow them to do it. So they were,

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01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 6: they were, they were preparing for war. As a few

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Speaker 6: months ago.

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Speaker 3: China wants it.

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Speaker 6: Russia of course wants it, and China has been doing

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Speaker 6: a lot of black ship operations of trying to avoid

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01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:54,719
Speaker 6: US sanctions in that region. That that's the real story,

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Speaker 6: I'd say so. Secretary of State Mark Rubia actually went

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01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 6: down there just a few months ago too, and actually,

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Speaker 6: Warren Maduro, if you try to do this, there will

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01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 6: be consequences. In my opinion, the operations against the cartels

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Speaker 6: and the operations possibly even top of Maduro are part

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01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 6: of that. The other sides of the people that everyone's

1278
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 6: leading out though, like the mainstream media, they're like, oh,

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Speaker 6: Trump's saying without evidence that Maduro is part of the cartels,

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Speaker 6: the sons, Trump saying Maduro is tied with the trend

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01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:29,919
Speaker 6: de Arragua. Did everybody forget that that was a Biden policy.

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01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 6: That was Biden, that was Joe Biden. The Biden administration

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01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 6: declared publicly that Nicholas Maduro is the illegitimate leader, that

1284
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 6: the government in exile under Juan Guido is the legitimate

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01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 6: government because Maduro rigged the election in twenty eighteen. That's

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01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 6: Biden policy. This is not even Trump.

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01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 7: This is Biden pulic.

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01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: And the benefactor of a rigged American election is pointing

1289
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 1: fingers at someone else who was the benefactor election. The

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01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: irony doesn't escape me.

1291
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Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, go figure.

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01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 7: Right.

1293
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 6: So that was a Biden policy. And so they're saying

1294
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 6: that Trump is saying, without evidence that Badua was the

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01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 6: leader of the trend Aragua. He's not saying that. He's

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Speaker 6: saying he's a leader of the Cartel of the Sons,

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01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 6: and cartel of the son basically provides the drugs tea

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01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,679
Speaker 6: friend day Aragua. The boats they're saying are trendy Aragua.

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Speaker 6: Then they're saying the boats are fishermen. You ever go

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Speaker 6: fishing without a fishing pole and you paint your boat blue,

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Speaker 6: so you blend in with the ocean and you don't

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Speaker 6: have nets, but you're doing commercial fishing. Look, look, you know,

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Speaker 6: I grew up partly in a fishing community. So my

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01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 6: dad used to on a restaurant called Red's Lobster Doc

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Speaker 6: in Point Pleasure in Beach, New Jersey, and we had

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Speaker 6: we had we had a doc. I used to work

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Speaker 6: the docks my my stepfather, my step grandfather was a

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Speaker 6: monk fisherman, you know, deep sea fishing and lobster fishermen.

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Speaker 6: My dadd's still in the off season. I grew up

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Speaker 6: working the docks. I know what fishing boats look like.

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Speaker 6: I've never seen fishing boat without fishing equipment. Okay, right,

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01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 6: these things don't have nets, they don't they have I've

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Speaker 6: never personally seen a fisherman shove a bunch of fish

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Speaker 6: into a duffel bag.

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Speaker 7: That's that's new.

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Speaker 6: If they're if they're fishing with fishing poles, I mean, okay, fine,

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Speaker 6: Like I've gone commercial fish, I've gone commercial fishing.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they're josh, maybe maybe they're Venezuelan noodlers.

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Speaker 7: They're just think about that.

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Speaker 6: Maybe they're noodling, you know that, might you might be

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Speaker 6: onto something. They're Yeah, they're they're they're feeling the Deep

1322
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 6: South Deep South vibe. You know, they're just sticking their

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Speaker 6: hands in the water hoping something bite. You know, maybe

1324
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Speaker 6: you're onto something. But but you know, the big tailsale

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Speaker 6: sign aside from the fact that they don't have fishing

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Speaker 6: nets or fishing poles and they're they're they have a

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01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 6: bunch of full bags and barrels, which again, you're not

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01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 6: going to catch enough fish to fill a barrel if

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01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 6: you can see some fish and poles. Anyway, three guys, yet,

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01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 6: come on, they paint their boats blue. They paint the

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Speaker 6: tops blue. You know, a normal fishermen, you're gonna want

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01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 6: a bright kind of like red or yellow or you know,

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Speaker 6: something that if you get lost, you can be spotted.

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01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 6: The only reason the reason you don't paint your boat

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01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 6: blue is because people can't see you. So the only

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01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 6: reason you do it is so people can't see you.

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01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 6: So why they're painting the boat's blue, The simple answer,

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01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 6: so people don't see them.

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Speaker 7: The media is.

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Speaker 6: Being so incredibly disingenuous with its reporting on this. I mean,

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Speaker 6: maybe I should say it's shocking, but I don't think

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Speaker 6: it's shocking anymore.

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Speaker 1: Well, Joshua, I will tell you sadly, we're coming to

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Speaker 1: the end of our time tonight. But what a wonderful conversation,

1345
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: what great revelations. And I encourage everyone if you're not

1346
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: already a subscriber. I am to the Epoch Times. I

1347
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 1: get the alerts every day my phone and it's just

1348
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: solid fifty to fifty reporting right down the line, without

1349
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 1: any of the male bovine fecal samples that are served

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01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: up by a lot of the rest of the mainstream media.

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Speaker 1: Joshua Philip, thank you so much for your time tonight.

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Speaker 7: Hey, pleasure anytime.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, all right, thank you very much. He's got

1354
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: more good stuff in the pipeline. Maybe we'll talk again soon,

1355
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 1: I hope. So it's the nightcap, and we ain't done yet.

1356
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: Brian Reisinger from the book Land Rich, Cash Poor on

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01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 1: what China is trying to do and has been somewhat

1358
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: successful in doing to American farmers, and how President Trump

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01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 1: is trying to stop that with the meeting with g

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Speaker 1: this week and his continued trade dealing with Asia. It's

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Speaker 1: the nightcap on seven hundred WLW. It is time to

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Speaker 1: rise and shine even at this time. And I and

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01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 1: I say rise and shine because we have Brian Risinger

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01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 1: as in a farmer Rising and shining to talk to

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Speaker 1: us this half hour. He's the author of land Rich Cash,

1366
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 1: for My Family's Hope, and The Untold History of the

1367
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 1: Disappearing American Farmer. A fourth generation farmer and comes from

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01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: a farm family in Wisconsin. He served as an advisor

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Speaker 1: top leaders, including Governor Scott Walker there in Wisconsin, US

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Speaker 1: Senator Ron Johnson, currently the sitting senator in Wisconsin, and

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Speaker 1: US Senator Lamar Alexander my old home state Tennessee, and

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Speaker 1: other public officials, and he joins US now as an

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Speaker 1: advisor to the Nightcap. Brian Risinger, welcome back.

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Speaker 7: Hey, it's good to be with you. I appreciate you

1375
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:49,839
Speaker 7: having me back on and I appreciate highlight these issues.

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01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Number one on our dartboard here has to be

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Speaker 1: the meeting that President Trump is getting ready to have

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01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: with x in China and the meeting with the new

1379
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: Japanese Prime minister to talk tariffs and to make deals.

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Speaker 1: And they both are heavily focused on the American farmer.

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Speaker 1: And you know, people talking about the Trump tariffs, you say,

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01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: they ignore the reason that they're necessary, and the main

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01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 1: reason is China. So can you elaborate on what deal

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01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: and President Trump this weekend said he felt fairly good

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01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: that the meeting with g would be successful. I hope

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01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: it is to the benefit of both countries and to

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Speaker 1: the benefit of the American farmer. I'm sure you have

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Speaker 1: your reservations about this because of the way China has

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Speaker 1: acted in the past and their recent history of buying

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01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 1: American farmland and not buying our goods. So what do

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Speaker 1: you expect out of this latest meeting? Was that the

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Speaker 1: President is planning on having his on his trip to Asia.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely well, as you correctly said, this is a big priority.

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Speaker 7: And you know, President Trump, as he's preparing for this meeting,

1395
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 7: is coming in having drawn some hardlines, used tariffs and

1396
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Speaker 7: other stands to show China that he intends to negotiate

1397
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 7: tougher than past years at US presidents. And he's trying

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01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 7: to figure out a way to do that while finding

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01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 7: a way to get that market opened back up in

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01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 7: a way that's more fair, because you know the way

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01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 7: that was for decades, it was leading unfair trade practices

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01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 7: that were pushing prices down and screwing with American farmers,

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01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 7: and then China snubbing American farmers. This fall has been

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01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 7: very challenging on the other hand. So President Trump's trying

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Speaker 7: to make that market more fair and get it back open.

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Speaker 7: Here's what we need to recognize as we do that,

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01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 7: we have to see that this deal will be the

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01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 7: first step in a long term process to end what

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Speaker 7: I'm calling our China addiction in this country, which is

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Speaker 7: all the ways that China makes our economy affordable here

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01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 7: in America is something that we have to figure out

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01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 7: a way to deal with and move our way off of,

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Speaker 7: including for the sake of our family farms, because they've

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Speaker 7: held this hostage in many ways for a couple decades now.

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Speaker 1: We have a China addiction in this country because of

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Speaker 1: the cheaper goods that are brought in through the slave

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Speaker 1: labor that is conducted in that communist country, and through

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01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, unfair trade practices where they're simply blocking

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01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: American goods for making their market while flooding ours with

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01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: all this cheap stuff that we've become accustomed to. You know,

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Speaker 1: the Walmart generation is mostly there. And this is no

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Speaker 1: diss on Walmart as a corporation at all, Brian, but

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Speaker 1: the Walmart generation, which you saw these huge mega box

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01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 1: stores bringing cheap Chinese goods to Middle America over the

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01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 1: past forty to fifty years has really caused a serious

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01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 1: hole in the American economy that people don't think about

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01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: when they go after that ten dollars shirt at Walmart, do.

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Speaker 7: They Yeah, that's absolutely right. You know, it's created cheap goods,

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Speaker 7: but it has also created a dependence that we have

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Speaker 7: on China where they're able to really jerk our chain.

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Speaker 7: And you see that on the farm side. In the

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01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 7: case of China has for decades been a huge buyer

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01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 7: of soybeans, corn, other staples that are crucial to our heartland,

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01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 7: the Midwest, all across the Great Plains, all over the place.

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Speaker 7: And the reality situation is they buy so much agricultural

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01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 7: products that they're able to really dictate the terms they

1437
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 7: buy them up. They can dump things and push the

1438
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 7: price down. They can move the world price and demand,

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01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 7: and that's how farmers have been doing a lot of

1440
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 7: business selling to China, but also kind of get been

1441
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 7: getting screwed by China, and that's why farmers often support

1442
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 7: getting tougher, even though a trade dispute can be harmful

1443
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 7: if it gets out of hand. So that's why we

1444
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 7: need to figure out for the American consumer, the American worker,

1445
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 7: and for the American farmer. What's our long term strategy.

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01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 7: How can we get back to a healthy, normal trading

1447
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 7: relationship rather than having our biggest graading partner also be

1448
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 7: our biggest adversary.

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01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 1: Well, and how how can we keep them from from

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01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: buying our farm land which they which I mean President

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01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 1: Trump has gone to great links to stop this, and

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01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 1: local and state leaders have done the same, especially in

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01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: red states where they're not just they're just not snapping

1454
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: up all of our farmland and controlling it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 1: My question, Brian is how do we ever trust the

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01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: Chinese since they go back on deals all the time,

1458
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:42,719
Speaker 1: and they lie and they cheat. Is there a way

1459
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:47,600
Speaker 1: to make this deal China proof from the standpoint of

1460
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 1: them not going along with what they say they're going

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01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 1: to do?

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01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 7: It is such a good question. It's kind of like

1463
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 7: that rag and trust but verify thing that he had

1464
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 7: with communist Russia back in the day, right, And I say,

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01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 7: you know, we can deal but not depend. And what

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01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 7: I mean by that is they're a big market. We

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01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 7: can find a way to strike a deal that is

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01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 7: more fair to the American farm and American worker. And

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01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 7: we can do that, you know, hopefully opening that market

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01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 7: back up without letting them kind of you know.

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Speaker 1: Raid the store.

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Speaker 7: But we cannot depend on them. And what I mean

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01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 7: by that is we have to diversify our trading base.

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01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 7: There are hundreds of trade companies countries out there, excuse me,

1475
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 7: hundreds of countries out there that there are no trade

1476
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 7: deals with. And if we are going around the globe

1477
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 7: making individual deals with smaller countries where we have more leverage,

1478
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 7: they need us to help feed them. We need them

1479
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 7: because they have affordable ways to help produce goods in

1480
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:41,640
Speaker 7: the way that Chinese. But maybe it doesn't have to

1481
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,600
Speaker 7: have the same human rights abuses and the same trade abuses.

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01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 7: If we make hundreds of deals across the country that diversity.

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01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 7: I know, one deal is going to replace China, but

1484
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 7: many many deals across the globe negotiating way, it's more

1485
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 7: fair for farmers and workers and consumers here in America.

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01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 7: We don't have to depend on China as much as

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01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:02,599
Speaker 7: we do. The problem is we have so many eggs

1488
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 7: in one basket to use a farm pun on an

1489
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 7: issue that is really pretty serious, to be honest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about that. How how is the current

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01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 1: government shut down affecting America's farmers Brian.

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01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,560
Speaker 7: It's coming at the worst possible time. There's congressional squabbling

1493
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 7: in the games that lawmakers are playing around. Different extraneous

1494
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 7: political issues from the American farmers standpoint, are causing real problems. Now,

1495
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 7: no farmer really wants to depend on the government. Farmers

1496
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 7: want to grow something and sell it for a dollar, right,

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01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 7: But the reality is that agriculture and government are intertwined

1498
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 7: deeply in this country, and so there are things like

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01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 7: farmers need to be able to go to the local

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01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 7: county office to register their crops, things like that. So

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01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 7: that's some of the smaller issues that are kind of inconveniences.

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01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,679
Speaker 7: But here's the real reason the government chepman is having

1503
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 7: a huge impact right now. President Trump and the administration

1504
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 7: have said, hey, we're going to do tariffs, We're going

1505
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,640
Speaker 7: to negotiate tougher. That sometimes means that our government is

1506
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 7: going to take actions that make it harder for armers

1507
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 7: to selling these other markets because we think it's worthwhile, right,

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01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 7: we think it's worth drawing that hardline. We'll get a

1509
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:06,679
Speaker 7: better deal long term, but it might mean some pain

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01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 7: in the short term, that's what the government has said.

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01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 7: In a scenario where that's what the government is saying,

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01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 7: they want to also be able to come forward with

1513
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 7: some of that tariff revenue to help support farmers who

1514
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 7: are impacted by that. When the government takes an action

1515
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 7: that impacts a business, it makes sense that the government

1516
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 7: does something to help make sure that that business isn't

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01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 7: completely left on whole. So, you know, there's an effort

1518
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 7: to move a tariff support package through the Congress, but

1519
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 7: the shutdown has halted all that. There's been some funds

1520
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 7: that the Trump Innstration is able to release on its own,

1521
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 7: but not all. There's billions of dollars being held up

1522
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 7: by these congressional gains while meantime farmers are making the

1523
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 7: sacrifice during our trade disputes.

1524
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:47,759
Speaker 1: I've always wondered what your position is on government farm

1525
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 1: subsidies and paying farmers not to grow certain crops or

1526
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 1: raise certain a livestock. What's Brian Reisinger's take on those

1527
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 1: which many people who are not farmers consider, you know,

1528
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:03,480
Speaker 1: government welfare.

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01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 7: Basically, yeah, I'll tell you I don't speak for all farmers,

1530
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 7: but I'll say what I what I hear A lot

1531
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 7: and what I what I believe to be the issue.

1532
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 7: The issue that we have here is that most farmers

1533
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 7: I know, they want to they want to again. They

1534
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 7: want to grow crops and sell you know, food products

1535
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 7: or other products that people want to buy for a dollar. No,

1536
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 7: no government, No farmer wants to depend on government in

1537
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 7: the way that we have many of our farmers doing

1538
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 7: in this country. But here's what's happened. The government has

1539
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 7: intervened in so many different ways. There are so many

1540
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,799
Speaker 7: different programs, and they just piled up over the years.

1541
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 7: So you can make an argument there's maybe a basic

1542
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 7: need around uncontrollable factors like weather. Right, just like when

1543
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 7: there's a hurricane or tornado, the government comes in and

1544
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 7: helps out communities. You can make an argument for uncontrolled feathers.

1545
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 7: Weather's like, you know, weather and other factors being a

1546
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 7: reason to have some sort of government involvement. But we've

1547
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:57,799
Speaker 7: piled up programs over the decades. We have hundreds of programs.

1548
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 7: We don't know whether they work anymore any our contradictory.

1549
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 7: We don't know which means are prone to favorite as.

1550
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 1: Going to do.

1551
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,839
Speaker 7: So here's what happens. It's both true that the American

1552
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 7: taxpayer is rightly saying where the heck is my tax

1553
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 7: dollars going? And then family farmers saying, hey, where the

1554
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 7: heck is that support that was supposed to be there?

1555
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 7: A lot of farmers don't want to have to be

1556
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 7: depending on that. We just have this massive government bureaucracy

1557
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 7: that is, you know, just so ineffective and it's wasting

1558
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 7: a lot of dollars along the way.

1559
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, since your your family's from Wisconsin dairy farmers, right, yeah, Okay,

1560
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 1: where are we now with Canada and trade on items

1561
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:38,719
Speaker 1: like cheese?

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01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 7: Yeah? You know, the big thing with Canada and with

1563
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:45,480
Speaker 7: America is that we do need the Canadians to understand

1564
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:47,639
Speaker 7: that we need to have deals that are more more

1565
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 7: fair to America. And part of the reason for this

1566
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 7: is Canada has a very different system. You want to

1567
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 7: talk about protectionism Canada, that is what they call supply

1568
01:28:55,400 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 7: management system, where they're so protectionists of their dairy that

1569
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,639
Speaker 7: they the government literally mandates, you know, how many college

1570
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 7: you can have and things like that.

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01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 1: And Bryan, it's called it's called socialism.

1572
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 7: Thank you for speaking with clarity there. I appreciate that.

1573
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 7: And it creates a huge imbalance, right, and The Canadians are, though,

1574
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 7: you know, traditionally little more friendly than China. They also,

1575
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 7: especially during the last trade to be about a decade ago,

1576
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 7: they were dumping products too that they knew could push

1577
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:27,680
Speaker 7: the prices down. So we need to make sure that

1578
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,599
Speaker 7: our traditional allies are also dealing with the American farm

1579
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:31,599
Speaker 7: in a fairway as well.

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01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 1: What about American farmers who are trying to keep money

1581
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 1: in their pockets and keep from you know, keep the

1582
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 1: lights on and whatever, trading out their farm land. They're

1583
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:50,919
Speaker 1: good fertile farmland for solar panel fields and wind farms.

1584
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:56,799
Speaker 1: I know that there's there's this administration has taken a stab,

1585
01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 1: a stab back at all these green energy initial is

1586
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 1: so called renewables, which are inefficient, very costly, and eat

1587
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:08,599
Speaker 1: up all kinds of land.

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01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I've always said that I think, you know,

1589
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 7: individual farmers need to figure out what's right for them.

1590
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 7: I've worked on a couple of different types of world

1591
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 7: development projects, a wide range of things. Here here's what

1592
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 7: I think the issue is. That is a is a

1593
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,600
Speaker 7: deep way that we can help address whatever kinds of

1594
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 7: pressures farmers may have to do with their land. Different things,

1595
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 7: the land rich cash poor dilemma. The big problem with

1596
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 7: that landriage cash problem is the cash poor part, meaning

1597
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 7: what we need is for farmers to have new entrepreneur

1598
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 7: opportunity that make it easier to make a living on

1599
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 7: their land. Farmland has always been valuable, always been coveted

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01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,839
Speaker 7: for different things, and farmers have always faced those pressures.

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01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 7: But as long as farmers are able to make a

1602
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 7: good living, these farm families want to keep their farms

1603
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 7: in their families. They want to keep operating, they want

1604
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 7: to keep moving forward. And the issue that we have

1605
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,680
Speaker 7: is there hasn't been enough entrepreneur opportunity out there to

1606
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 7: help farms have good choices with what they want to

1607
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 7: be able to do with their land.

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01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that some farmers. The trend I guess

1609
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 1: it was about twenty years ago. I remember hearing about

1610
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 1: this is that a lot of farmers were taking a

1611
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 1: portion of their farmland and they were they had ponds

1612
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 1: and stuff, and they were raising shrimp, you know, farm

1613
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 1: raised shrimp and stuff like that. You talk about, you know,

1614
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 1: diversifying and using this wonderful gift of God, this farmland

1615
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 1: for whatever purpose that will make economic sense for these

1616
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 1: farm But I'm sorry, I go by a field and

1617
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:39,519
Speaker 1: I see, you know, all of these solar panels, or

1618
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 1: I go buy a field and I see these giant

1619
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 1: bird killers up in there, and I'm going, man, this

1620
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 1: stuff doesn't work. It's not energy efficient. Yeah, maybe it's

1621
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 1: floating a boat for this farmer so he can survive

1622
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 1: another day. But is it. How close are we to

1623
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 1: the death of the family farm in America?

1624
01:31:58,560 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 3: Brian?

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01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 7: You know, we're unfortunately very close, and there are some

1626
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:08,640
Speaker 7: really big factors, you know, economic crises, governmental policies, technological

1627
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 7: issues that have been driving it for a long time.

1628
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:12,639
Speaker 7: And here's where the math shakes out. We've been losing

1629
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:14,720
Speaker 7: family farms at the rate of forty five thousand a

1630
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 7: year on average for the past century, forty five thousand

1631
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 7: a year. If we continue doing that going forward, Gary, Jeff,

1632
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 7: I'm forty years old now. By the time my little

1633
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 7: girl is my age, by the time she's forty, we'll

1634
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:26,759
Speaker 7: have lost the rest of our farms in this country

1635
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 7: at that rate, we'll have lost them within the next generation.

1636
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 7: So we need to make some big changes. There's no question.

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01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 1: Well, the farms and farming has been such an integral

1638
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 1: part of this country from its very beginning. You know,

1639
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:45,480
Speaker 1: we were still obviously in colonial times in Aggregian society.

1640
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 1: We had the you know, the industrial age come in

1641
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 1: and we had manufacturing and the city's got built. And

1642
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 1: I will tell you from a personal standpoint, Brian, that

1643
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 1: when I go back to Iowa, where I was born,

1644
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 1: when I talk to my relatives that are still in

1645
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 1: Mount Pleasant, Iowa and have been family farmers for at

1646
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:13,839
Speaker 1: least as many generations as your family has been involved

1647
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 1: there in Wisconsin, when I visit there on occasion, there

1648
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 1: is such a feeling of peace and comfort being out

1649
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:27,679
Speaker 1: in that land where people are working the land where

1650
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 1: and they're very, very overall, they're very patriotic people. They

1651
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 1: love America, they love Americans, they love their fellow Americans.

1652
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 1: And many of them, you know, many of them that

1653
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 1: this is a place where you can find lots of

1654
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 1: Trump signs. Not that they are not Democrats too, but

1655
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it always makes my heart feel good

1656
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 1: to be in a community like that, and to think

1657
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:03,600
Speaker 1: about this country without those communities really saddens me and

1658
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 1: makes me kind of worried about the future of our nation.

1659
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, And you know, and I appreciate that and I'll

1660
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 7: tell you what you know. The way that we're hollowing

1661
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 7: out our rural communities, which are small town's oryalmans, were

1662
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 7: built by our farm So you when you decimate the

1663
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:21,719
Speaker 7: farms this way, you decimate all those communities. And what's

1664
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 7: happening is we're houlowing at rural Americans. We're also affecting

1665
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 7: every single American dinner table because when you wipe out

1666
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 7: forty five thousand farms a year, you make your food

1667
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 7: supply chain insecure. That drives up prices. That's one of

1668
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 7: the reasons we see food prices through the roof moving

1669
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 7: faster than inflation that we had that was run away

1670
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 7: a couple of years ago. It makes the food less healthy.

1671
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:45,599
Speaker 7: It affects our security. Right now, we have somewhere around

1672
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 7: forty two and a half billion dollar egg trade deficit

1673
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:51,599
Speaker 7: between the Biden adminstration term administration, between those two time periods.

1674
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 7: I say that because I want people know I'm not

1675
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 7: being political. It's forty two and a half billion in

1676
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:59,679
Speaker 7: between those administrations, right and that was a record amount

1677
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 7: of food and agg culture proticty, we're importing rather than exports,

1678
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 7: so we're importing forty and a half million more dollars

1679
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 7: in food than we are exporting. Think about that, We're

1680
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 7: wiping out our farms at forty five thousand a year,

1681
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 7: our domestic food supply. We're depending more and more in

1682
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 7: other countries for our food. That reads like a doomsday novel,

1683
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 7: you know, I mean, we need to do something about that.

1684
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 1: Brian Reisinger land Rich Cash Poor is the book. I

1685
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,639
Speaker 1: can't tell you how much I appreciate your time tonight

1686
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,800
Speaker 1: and the work you're doing on behalf of not only

1687
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 1: of American farmers, but American consumers, all the rest of us.

1688
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 1: Because this matters. This matters to every single person who

1689
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:48,800
Speaker 1: who eats eggs or you know, enjoys of fresh cob

1690
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 1: of corn, or you know, any kind of thing that

1691
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:56,599
Speaker 1: comes off the farmland in this country. And it's time

1692
01:35:56,640 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 1: we wake up and make sure that these guys are

1693
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 1: are taken care of and they can continue to do

1694
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:04,800
Speaker 1: their fine work, not only for their families, but for

1695
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:05,959
Speaker 1: the rest of the country.

1696
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 7: Thank you, Brian, Well, thank you so much. I appreciate

1697
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 7: you know. We've got our new paperback additional language, Cash

1698
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:15,400
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1699
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:17,800
Speaker 7: anybody who spreads the word on these issues, and I

1700
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 7: appreciate you shouldn't light on them.

1701
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 1: You bet you my pleasure, sir, the wild Man. We'll

1702
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:28,880
Speaker 1: finish us off here after the news break seven WLW.

1703
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 1: It's your weekly dost from the Goo Factory of one

1704
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 1: wild Man Walker on the nightcap. And there's some good,

1705
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 1: there's some really bad, and then there's some sublime to

1706
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 1: talk about, like wild Man's love for Andy Griffith reruns. Today.

1707
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:53,680
Speaker 1: You were describing to me today, wild Man. You were

1708
01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 1: watching a colored a color TV episode of Andy Griffin

1709
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:04,760
Speaker 1: and uh and and uh. In the episode, they made

1710
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 1: Ernest T a school crossing guard? Is that what you?

1711
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 4: Ernest T Beths is a school crossing guard? And he

1712
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,760
Speaker 4: was throwing rocks and.

1713
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 1: Well that's why he w that's what That's what Ernest

1714
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 1: T does, is he throws rocks. So what why would

1715
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 1: why would they make him a school crossing guard if

1716
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 1: they know that he has a pensiant for throwing rocks,

1717
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 1: not exactly his safety office.

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01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 4: Well it's television television, come on, man, So they were

1719
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 4: to make a long story short. He was worn not

1720
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:39,799
Speaker 4: to throw rocks, but he said, he said, I wouldn't

1721
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:41,679
Speaker 4: throw any rocks, And when Andy walked away, he said,

1722
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 4: but you didn't say anything about bricks bricks.

1723
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:45,280
Speaker 7: In his bag?

1724
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 4: Do Aw's are and throwing bricks?

1725
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 3: So we fired.

1726
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,600
Speaker 7: Him and in the meantime.

1727
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 4: Malcolm Meryweather, who appeared in them Raposos, came to town

1728
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:57,599
Speaker 4: and Andy gave him the job and Ernest t baths

1729
01:37:57,600 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 4: he got a case of the goo and threat to

1730
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:00,880
Speaker 4: beat him up and they were going to a fight

1731
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 4: on it. Then he found out that he was really

1732
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:06,919
Speaker 4: somehow related to him through the through through his English

1733
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 4: heritage or something that was just goofy.

1734
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:15,560
Speaker 1: Only on television, especially television, especially nineteen sixties television.

1735
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely.

1736
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:19,879
Speaker 1: But they were the golden They were the golden times

1737
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 1: of sitcoms. Though the sixties.

1738
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:24,680
Speaker 4: Well, that Andy Griffiths show has not been off the

1739
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 4: air since, you know, for the last fifty something years.

1740
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is that?

1741
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 4: The staying power of that show is unbelievable.

1742
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:36,600
Speaker 1: The reruns play over and over and over again, sometimes

1743
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:39,559
Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day, and that's why you know

1744
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 1: every episode and can probably re enact the dialogue from

1745
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:46,880
Speaker 1: almost every episode of a Andy Griffiths show within five

1746
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 1: seconds of seeing what it's all about.

1747
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 3: Yes, that's crazy, And if he.

1748
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 4: Asked me a favorite episode, it'd be I'd be hard pressed.

1749
01:38:57,600 --> 01:38:59,800
Speaker 4: I really would. I'd be hard pressed to state what

1750
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:02,679
Speaker 4: that's my favorite episode because there were so many great ones,

1751
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:03,840
Speaker 4: so many great ones.

1752
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:06,160
Speaker 1: Now, do you also go in for Green Acres and

1753
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:10,639
Speaker 1: Petticoat Junction? And I know you like Goomer piled usmc? Right?

1754
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 4: Oh, I love Gooomer pile USMC and I like green

1755
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:17,400
Speaker 4: Acres too. I'm not a big Petticoat Junction guy.

1756
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 3: I like Green Acres.

1757
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 4: I was just you talking about that would have been

1758
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:23,599
Speaker 4: a wacky town to live in because everybody was crazy

1759
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:29,559
Speaker 4: except for Oliver Wendell Douglas. You're right, everybody was crazy.

1760
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 1: What about Bewitched?

1761
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 5: Nah?

1762
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 4: That what's for Witch? When I was younger, I don't

1763
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:36,560
Speaker 4: have no desire to watch that anymore.

1764
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:39,599
Speaker 1: Okay, so you've given up your Bewitched, but you're still

1765
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,600
Speaker 1: holding onto your Andy Griffith.

1766
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 4: With Hand gun Smoke black and white and color.

1767
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 1: Well, gun Smoke ran for over twenty years. Oh yeah,

1768
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:51,160
Speaker 1: back in the days when TV series didn't run that long.

1769
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 1: You know, Gunsmoke was the frunting episode.

1770
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 4: Yes, as it was.

1771
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:56,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know that.

1772
01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:59,799
Speaker 4: Of course, of course the riflemen. I love the riflemen.

1773
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:05,800
Speaker 1: Chuck Connor, Chuck Connors, basketball star at UK. Thank you?

1774
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 1: Wasn't you a basketball star? UK?

1775
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 4: No, he didn't play at UK. He was a basketball

1776
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 4: he was a basketball Do you like the Celtics?

1777
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:15,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1778
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:18,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah? You know. It was Dave Cowen's birthday over

1779
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:19,400
Speaker 1: the weekend too.

1780
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:22,760
Speaker 4: What a great player.

1781
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 1: He's from right there in Newport, right?

1782
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 4: Can I want how many people drive down?

1783
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:30,360
Speaker 3: I don't know who that is?

1784
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:33,519
Speaker 4: You're right, my buddy, you know Dave Cowens is though,

1785
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:34,719
Speaker 4: I go, get out of my face.

1786
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:39,720
Speaker 1: That's what that deserves. That's what that deserves, all right,

1787
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 1: wild man, Part one here of our conversation. Let's talk

1788
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:48,760
Speaker 1: about the good this weekend. And the good was you

1789
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:58,479
Speaker 1: see football homecoming Baylor blowout, and plus they welcomed, uh

1790
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:01,439
Speaker 1: welcome Tony Pike into the UC Athletics Hall of Fame,

1791
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:05,680
Speaker 1: which I think is overdue, and Tony was gracious in

1792
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:09,760
Speaker 1: accepting that and being a part of that celebration. Overall,

1793
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:12,759
Speaker 1: give me your thoughts on UC football this weekend.

1794
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:18,479
Speaker 4: Well, the Bearcats are now ranked number sixteen in the

1795
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 4: Coach's Pole and number seventeen and the ap pole. Of course,

1796
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 4: it was their seventh straight win and now they go

1797
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:29,760
Speaker 4: face the Utah Utes and that'll be a nationally televised

1798
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 4: game on Saturday out in Utah, and Utah just beat

1799
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:36,799
Speaker 4: the stuffing out of Colorado. I mean, I know Colorado

1800
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 4: is not that good, but that was an ugly game

1801
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 4: that gives to me like a ten to fifteen of the

1802
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:45,320
Speaker 4: Bearcats offense going to this game was going to be

1803
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 4: matched up against Baylor's offense. That trouble was that Baylor's

1804
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:51,720
Speaker 4: defense was not very good and the Bearcats took advantage

1805
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:55,360
Speaker 4: of it. The Bearcats offense, I mean, I mean, I

1806
01:41:55,400 --> 01:41:57,240
Speaker 4: think was it Brandon Stores mean, I think it's only

1807
01:41:57,240 --> 01:41:59,720
Speaker 4: been sacked twice this year. They've got an offensive line

1808
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,599
Speaker 4: that maybe the Bengals would like to tap into. If

1809
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:05,760
Speaker 4: these guys are devils, will to be trapped at.

1810
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:07,360
Speaker 3: The end of the season. It's amazing looking.

1811
01:42:07,479 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 4: Everything is looking good here, I know for the UC Bearcats.

1812
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:13,000
Speaker 4: Now they've got a tough schedule Gary Jeff the rest

1813
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:15,840
Speaker 4: of the way, they gotta play BYU here. Then they

1814
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:19,920
Speaker 4: got to play I believe after that then they have

1815
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,599
Speaker 4: It was an Arizona so their schedule is not it's

1816
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 4: not easy gets even Dupper the rest of the way.

1817
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 1: Well, I know that you're a you're a Homer, you're

1818
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 1: all things Cincinnati you love. But I gotta tell you,

1819
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 1: wild Man. The good for me this weekend was another

1820
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:41,800
Speaker 1: victory by my Vanderbilt Commodores, which the V is for

1821
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:46,320
Speaker 1: victory in Vanderbilt. They are seventh of the year, they're

1822
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:48,960
Speaker 1: seven in one, and they're in the top ten for

1823
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:53,320
Speaker 1: the first time since nineteen forty one. Diego Pavia didn't

1824
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:56,479
Speaker 1: have a great game, but it was a defensive struggle

1825
01:42:56,600 --> 01:43:01,879
Speaker 1: in Nashville, and they outlasted of ranked Missouri team seventeen

1826
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:02,479
Speaker 1: to time.

1827
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:03,240
Speaker 5: It was.

1828
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:05,799
Speaker 3: The last three years.

1829
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:09,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was an incredible victory. Another one on the March,

1830
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:15,000
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at Vanderbilt's record coming up. I mean,

1831
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 1: they got to play at Texas, I think, which Texas

1832
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:22,559
Speaker 1: ain't all it's cracked up to be. And the only

1833
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 1: thing that bothers me about Vanderbilt's winning streak right now,

1834
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:29,719
Speaker 1: wild Man is one of them came against then ranked LSU,

1835
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:35,360
Speaker 1: which just fired boy Brian Kelly this week in an

1836
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:39,880
Speaker 1: aftermath of a third straight loss by the LSU tigers.

1837
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:44,280
Speaker 1: Are you happy about this? I'm thrilled about it. Brian Kelly,

1838
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:47,400
Speaker 1: the man who said he'd never leave, you see, and

1839
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:51,519
Speaker 1: then the second Notre Dame kept came calling, he was gone.

1840
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:53,960
Speaker 1: And then he was at his dream job at Notre

1841
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:57,599
Speaker 1: Dame and woof's it's not my dream job. LSU's offering

1842
01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 1: me all this guaranteed money. Can you believe that man

1843
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:03,879
Speaker 1: could walk away with fifty million dollars?

1844
01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:07,599
Speaker 4: I love this country, hey, And now let's let's back

1845
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:10,519
Speaker 4: up here about Brian Kelly. Here when he was at UC,

1846
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:14,280
Speaker 4: he was thirty four and six. He turned that program

1847
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:17,760
Speaker 4: around and he said, and Garry Chef, let's let's keep

1848
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:20,400
Speaker 4: the fact straight here. He said when he came here

1849
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:22,960
Speaker 4: that Notre Dame was his dream job, and the way

1850
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:26,760
Speaker 4: he handled it it was bad. It was bad, and

1851
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:29,200
Speaker 4: a lot of fans never forgave me. But here's we

1852
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:30,120
Speaker 4: go back to the thing.

1853
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:31,120
Speaker 3: You know, if you.

1854
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:33,080
Speaker 4: Don't like the way the rules are set up, then

1855
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 4: you change the rules. But he took he took that job,

1856
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:38,759
Speaker 4: and he had to take the job at that time

1857
01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:42,280
Speaker 4: because you're going up in the recruiting and you're dealing

1858
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:44,760
Speaker 4: with recruiting and if he didn't really take that job

1859
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:47,440
Speaker 4: at that time, he could lose out a lot of recruits.

1860
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:50,080
Speaker 4: And I know a lot of you see fans are happy,

1861
01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:53,559
Speaker 4: they're doing the happy dance over. But Brian Kelly getting fired.

1862
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:56,000
Speaker 4: If he wants to get me playing in the coach somewhere,

1863
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:58,479
Speaker 4: I'm sure he'll be hired again. But the walk to

1864
01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:01,800
Speaker 4: be paid fifty million dollars. Kudos to Brian Kelly for

1865
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:03,919
Speaker 4: working forgetting that contract with LSU.

1866
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:05,480
Speaker 3: They look like idiots.

1867
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:08,599
Speaker 1: No, I'm not gonna big grudge him a chance to

1868
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:12,040
Speaker 1: take that money. They were stupid enough to sign him

1869
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 1: for that amount of money, that guarantee a ten year deal.

1870
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:20,120
Speaker 1: And you know there's some alum down in Baton Rouge

1871
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 1: that's saying, you know what, we'll we'll help you pay

1872
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:24,880
Speaker 1: this off. We need to get rid of this guy.

1873
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:28,840
Speaker 1: He's damaged goods and he's not doing the program any favors.

1874
01:45:29,240 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 4: You know when he was when Brian Kelly was at

1875
01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:33,920
Speaker 4: Notre Dame, he's all time winning his coach at Notre

1876
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:37,760
Speaker 4: Dame and Gary Jeff When Brian Kelly accepted the job

1877
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:41,320
Speaker 4: at LSU, you got to remember the nil money started,

1878
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:44,120
Speaker 4: you know, showing its ugly face and he had to

1879
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:46,000
Speaker 4: deal with a lot of that. So a lot of that.

1880
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:48,000
Speaker 4: They got hurt by that because they lost a lot,

1881
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:50,639
Speaker 4: a lot of a number of good players. So it's

1882
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:53,320
Speaker 4: not all just you know, Brian Kelly being a lousy

1883
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 4: coach because he had a winning record there.

1884
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 7: But you know, you got to have the.

1885
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:58,519
Speaker 4: Horses, and I mean, you don't have the horses, and

1886
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:01,240
Speaker 4: they're going somewhere else. And the SEC is the best

1887
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:05,800
Speaker 4: conference in football. Hey, they take their football series at LSU. Now,

1888
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 4: the rumor is running rampant at Penn State might be

1889
01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:11,720
Speaker 4: interested that Brian Kelly. I wouldn't surprise me if he

1890
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:14,760
Speaker 4: went there. Brian might take a year off too, I

1891
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:16,360
Speaker 4: mean that's his choice.

1892
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 1: Well, the former Penn State coach James Franklin, who came

1893
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:24,400
Speaker 1: from Vanderbilt, uh, found out that the grass is not

1894
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 1: always greener when you go somewhere for more bucks. And uh,

1895
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:31,759
Speaker 1: you know, I just hope this this coach at Vandy

1896
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:35,599
Speaker 1: Clark Lee hangs around a while and they can continue

1897
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:38,600
Speaker 1: to build off this recent football success they've had the

1898
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:42,840
Speaker 1: last two years. Uh. Even though this looks like it's

1899
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:46,240
Speaker 1: finally Diego Povey's last year after six.

1900
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:50,720
Speaker 4: Crazy Kyli Branton soaresman, you know, to go back to

1901
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:52,880
Speaker 4: about you know, the grace is not always greener. That's

1902
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:55,360
Speaker 4: why I was glad that Indiana, you know, you know,

1903
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:58,280
Speaker 4: jumped up the chance and extended the contract of dirt

1904
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:00,600
Speaker 4: coach there. I mean, he's there forever now, he's not

1905
01:47:00,640 --> 01:47:01,360
Speaker 4: going anywhere.

1906
01:47:01,400 --> 01:47:04,600
Speaker 1: Well and after this season, can you blame them? No,

1907
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:06,920
Speaker 1: the Hoosiers are hot.

1908
01:47:06,479 --> 01:47:09,040
Speaker 4: You gotta love it, Ohio state number one and the

1909
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:12,439
Speaker 4: end of number two. But unfortunately they don't play each

1910
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:14,040
Speaker 4: other during the regular season.

1911
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 1: No, no, but there is that in they're a Big

1912
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:18,599
Speaker 1: ten championship game.

1913
01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:20,479
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yes.

1914
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:24,400
Speaker 1: Sir, yes, sir, there is all right, Uh, we've done that.

1915
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:28,840
Speaker 1: Let's let's get to the bad wild man. Let's get

1916
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:32,760
Speaker 1: to a blowing, blowing a fifteen point lead in the

1917
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:37,599
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Let's get to giving the game away. They

1918
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 1: were giving White Bengals caps away at yesterday's game to

1919
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:45,639
Speaker 1: the first How many of one thousand fans showed up?

1920
01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 1: But they didn't tell the fans that they were going

1921
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:52,559
Speaker 1: to give the game away? How did this happen? Break

1922
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:53,000
Speaker 1: it down?

1923
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:55,120
Speaker 3: Oh, very easy.

1924
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 4: The defense, the defense, Jeff we knew We knew going

1925
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:02,760
Speaker 4: into this season that the Bengals did not have a

1926
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:06,240
Speaker 4: very good defense. We all knew that, but we didn't

1927
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:08,519
Speaker 4: think it would be this bad in certain games. And

1928
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 4: yesterday they couldn't tackle. It was just had no pass rush.

1929
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:19,479
Speaker 4: It's just it's bad. And then I hear Zach Taylor saying, well,

1930
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 4: it's unacceptable and people have to be accountable. We have

1931
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,839
Speaker 4: to stand up. Well, let's start with Zach Taylor, because

1932
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:28,120
Speaker 4: when it came down to crunch time, Gary, Jeff, Zach

1933
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:30,759
Speaker 4: Taylor blew it. I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you why.

1934
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:34,599
Speaker 4: At halftime on CBS, Bill Cowerd, who knows a little

1935
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:37,040
Speaker 4: something about football, he doesn't have a Super Bowl ring,

1936
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:39,439
Speaker 4: said the Benker should come out and run the ball

1937
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:42,720
Speaker 4: because they were running the ball down the throats.

1938
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 3: Okay of the.

1939
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:48,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, p Ryan p Right and Brown. P Right and

1940
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:51,360
Speaker 1: Brown were both just chewing up ground in the first

1941
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:55,280
Speaker 1: half of the Jets and you know what did they do.

1942
01:48:55,640 --> 01:49:00,519
Speaker 1: They they came out with just really ridiculous pass plays.

1943
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:03,840
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco couldn't get any protection in the second half

1944
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:06,200
Speaker 1: from his offensive that he got in the first half,

1945
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:10,600
Speaker 1: and he couldn't connect with with Higgins or Chase because

1946
01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:14,360
Speaker 1: they stopped running the ball.

1947
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:18,080
Speaker 4: The Bengals were up by I believe it was thirty

1948
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:21,080
Speaker 4: eight thirty one, seven minutes left. The Bengals got the ball.

1949
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 4: They they you know, here, you got seven minutes left,

1950
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 4: you milk the clock, run the football, run the foot.

1951
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:30,679
Speaker 4: They didn't. They didn't do one running play twenty seconds.

1952
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 3: They took off the.

1953
01:49:31,240 --> 01:49:34,960
Speaker 4: Clock forty seconds. Forty seconds.

1954
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not good. They're not good clock management at all.

1955
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,880
Speaker 4: Terrible clock management. I used to think that Marvin Lewis

1956
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:42,479
Speaker 4: was bad out of me.

1957
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:42,840
Speaker 3: He was.

1958
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:45,680
Speaker 4: Zach Taylor is pathetic good clock management too, and that

1959
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:48,320
Speaker 4: cost the Bengals. That got cost the Bengals big time.

1960
01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:51,200
Speaker 4: Now defensively they stink. I don't know how they're going.

1961
01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:51,599
Speaker 3: To fix it.

1962
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:54,559
Speaker 4: They've got you know, they keep drafting these young guys.

1963
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:57,160
Speaker 4: They really didn't go out the free agency and sign anybody.

1964
01:49:57,320 --> 01:49:59,960
Speaker 4: They've got a major problem there defensively. But Zach Taylor

1965
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:03,480
Speaker 4: on that situation, that comes down to coaching.

1966
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:05,000
Speaker 3: And he blew it. He blew it.

1967
01:50:05,439 --> 01:50:08,920
Speaker 4: And of course the next last series they got they

1968
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:12,599
Speaker 4: had three timeouts. They had three timeouts. Scared chef and

1969
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:15,360
Speaker 4: tailor didn't even bother burning one. So they come up

1970
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:18,120
Speaker 4: with a play to get a first down, didn't even

1971
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:21,160
Speaker 4: burn any one of the timeouts. And of course Yosi

1972
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:25,559
Speaker 4: Vash Andre Yosi Vash should not play this next Sunday.

1973
01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:27,559
Speaker 4: He should sit on the bench because he's had a

1974
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:29,920
Speaker 4: case of the drops all year long, a case of

1975
01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 4: the drops, major case of the drops. Targeted three times,

1976
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:34,520
Speaker 4: no catches.

1977
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:39,680
Speaker 1: I mean, was good when he was targeted yesterday, and

1978
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:41,960
Speaker 1: he's been a little bit of an issue in the

1979
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:47,040
Speaker 1: offense prior to that. Tanner Hudson was good. You know,

1980
01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:51,040
Speaker 1: Chase and Higgins are chasing Higgins, They're gonna be double

1981
01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:55,000
Speaker 1: covered in many cases, and they often were. But you know,

1982
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:58,280
Speaker 1: last week when we talked after the Bengals victory over

1983
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:03,200
Speaker 1: the Steelers, wild Man and we were talking about that,

1984
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 1: and I said, well, that's the way the Bengals won,

1985
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:12,439
Speaker 1: the way everybody expected them to win games. If they

1986
01:51:12,479 --> 01:51:15,000
Speaker 1: were going to win games and high scoring affairs, just

1987
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:19,719
Speaker 1: by outscoring the other opponent because their defense obviously is lacking.

1988
01:51:21,439 --> 01:51:25,040
Speaker 1: And this was another example of this. You're gonna have

1989
01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:27,559
Speaker 1: to outscore your opponent, and that means that your coach

1990
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:31,240
Speaker 1: is going to have to be cognizant of what is

1991
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:35,760
Speaker 1: required in making halftime adjustments and yes, clock management, which

1992
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:38,800
Speaker 1: I thought Aaron Glynn did a great job of down

1993
01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:40,320
Speaker 1: the stretch yesterday with the Jacks.

1994
01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:41,800
Speaker 3: Hey sure did?

1995
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:44,840
Speaker 4: I mean, when you score thirty eight points and a

1996
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:47,200
Speaker 4: football game, you should win it.

1997
01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:48,479
Speaker 3: You should win that game.

1998
01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:54,360
Speaker 4: And they're playing the Bears this Sunday, the Bears. The

1999
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:56,960
Speaker 4: Bengals could very well loose to the Bears. I really could,

2000
01:51:57,360 --> 01:51:59,720
Speaker 4: and I know so much for that. We were all thinking, oh,

2001
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:01,880
Speaker 4: you know, going into the bye week, we could have

2002
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:04,559
Speaker 4: three straight wins, have some of some momentum. Well that's

2003
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:06,800
Speaker 4: going by the wayside. But yet here guy, I'm gonna

2004
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:09,439
Speaker 4: tell you this. Right now, there's talking heads on TV

2005
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:12,000
Speaker 4: and radio that have already gone out and said, well,

2006
01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:15,280
Speaker 4: Biggles are still close to you know, in the division

2007
01:52:15,320 --> 01:52:16,800
Speaker 4: because the Steelers lost too.

2008
01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:22,200
Speaker 10: Will you stop that crap? Stop it. It's about winning

2009
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:25,920
Speaker 10: football games. It's not backing in, you know, like the

2010
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:27,240
Speaker 10: Reds did in the playoffs.

2011
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:31,559
Speaker 1: It's not. It is not hoping the other teams in

2012
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:34,960
Speaker 1: your division suck so that you can come out on

2013
01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:38,920
Speaker 1: top of the teams that suck. In the NFL, it's

2014
01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:43,120
Speaker 1: about winning football games. It is about clock management, and

2015
01:52:43,160 --> 01:52:46,760
Speaker 1: it is about and tackling. I'm sorry. Tackling in the

2016
01:52:46,840 --> 01:52:50,320
Speaker 1: NFL should never be an option for the defense. It

2017
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:53,519
Speaker 1: should be a requirement. And we see it week after

2018
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:54,439
Speaker 1: week after week.

2019
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:57,560
Speaker 5: Wild Man, it'd be the angle.

2020
01:52:57,240 --> 01:52:59,640
Speaker 4: Suggest it be an outrun by on the angle on

2021
01:52:59,680 --> 01:53:02,240
Speaker 4: angle plays and they run and just trying to one.

2022
01:53:02,160 --> 01:53:03,320
Speaker 7: Arm tackle these guys.

2023
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:06,599
Speaker 4: Oh man, that's and I'm just I'm just gonna harp

2024
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:09,400
Speaker 4: on the run on the running game yesterdays. The last

2025
01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:12,480
Speaker 4: three games, Grey Jeff have run the ball very effectively.

2026
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:14,479
Speaker 4: The old line has done a great job and even

2027
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:17,559
Speaker 4: protected Joe Flacco. I think he got sacked twice yesterday,

2028
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:19,840
Speaker 4: maybe maybe once, but the old line has done a

2029
01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:22,639
Speaker 4: really good job of opening up holes. And anybody could

2030
01:53:22,680 --> 01:53:25,920
Speaker 4: see that. Anybody could see that yesterday. And for Zach

2031
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:28,559
Speaker 4: Taylor to go away from that, what's that tell you?

2032
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:29,960
Speaker 4: What's it telling you that.

2033
01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:32,720
Speaker 1: You know that the Jets, the Jets front four was

2034
01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:35,639
Speaker 1: parted like the Red Sea in a couple of plays

2035
01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:38,599
Speaker 1: yes in the first half, and they completely went away

2036
01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:41,680
Speaker 1: from what was working. And then and then and.

2037
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:43,920
Speaker 4: The on the that's on the goat that's not the

2038
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:45,719
Speaker 4: head coach. That's on the head coach.

2039
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:49,760
Speaker 1: And and in the end, uh, nothing was working.

2040
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:53,600
Speaker 4: And the press conference was Zach Taylor. Nobody brought that

2041
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:56,360
Speaker 4: up at all with the being up by seven seven

2042
01:53:56,760 --> 01:53:59,800
Speaker 4: seven points or seven minutes left and up by seven

2043
01:54:00,160 --> 01:54:02,719
Speaker 4: by not running the ball, you know, throw throwing a pass.

2044
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:05,639
Speaker 4: I'm not forging what they got sacked or what happened.

2045
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:09,519
Speaker 4: Nobody but Joe Daniman last night on Fox nineteen brought

2046
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:11,719
Speaker 4: up and brought up and said, this was the difference

2047
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:13,360
Speaker 4: in the game. This is why they lost in the

2048
01:54:13,439 --> 01:54:16,080
Speaker 4: end with a play call and they didn't run the football.

2049
01:54:16,439 --> 01:54:19,280
Speaker 1: Wild man, are times done? I hope you got the

2050
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:20,280
Speaker 1: goo out?

2051
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:21,680
Speaker 3: Well I got to go out.

2052
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:23,479
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you somebody said, really the major case

2053
01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:25,360
Speaker 4: of the goo. I got one more major case of

2054
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:27,800
Speaker 4: the goo real quick. The ass had, whoever the ass

2055
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:31,120
Speaker 4: had was that broke your phone on Marty Brunhaman's statue,

2056
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:34,800
Speaker 4: hopefully find them and break his hand. And Richard Petty,

2057
01:54:35,080 --> 01:54:36,560
Speaker 4: you talk about a guy that has the case of

2058
01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:39,320
Speaker 4: the goo. He has called that NASCAR for their stupid

2059
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:41,120
Speaker 4: grating system and standing.

2060
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:42,440
Speaker 3: He really got the ass.

2061
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:46,000
Speaker 4: And when Richard petty speaks NASCAR. Better start listening.

2062
01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:49,640
Speaker 1: Well when you speak. Hopefully somebody's still listening wild Man,

2063
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:52,800
Speaker 1: thank you by who they are. I gotta go but bye.