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Speaker 1: Jake Plumber is beloved here in Denver as we had.

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Speaker 1: It's the Kaylee Kavasbury Heal Highline. And bring on Jake

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Speaker 1: to snak Plumber. What's up, Jake? You're on with Rick

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Speaker 1: Lewis and Ryan Evers.

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Speaker 2: How are you, sir?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good. How you guys doing?

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Speaker 4: What's up, Jake? Fancy seeing you here? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Man, man, it's nice. We got some snow finally. I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: I love it, man, I love this the snow. It's

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Speaker 3: awesome when it happens. And UH got to remind everybody

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Speaker 3: just slowed down. I heard the traffic reports. I can

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Speaker 3: slow down, Eyboddy slowed down a little bit. We don't

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Speaker 5: Jake's my guy. He's on my morning show every week.

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Speaker 5: He's been doing that for the past two seasons. And

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Speaker 5: Jake was one of the first.

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Speaker 4: Guys that has credibility that was a bowliever.

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Speaker 5: And I'm going back to the very begin I think

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Speaker 5: even after the first game, Jake, you told me that

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Speaker 5: this guy, this kid can make all the throws. This

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Speaker 5: kid has everything he needs to be really good NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 4: So you were one of the first and I give

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. I mean, I'm I write on positivity,

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Speaker 4: Looking for fault, you know.

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Speaker 3: And the great thing about Bo is that he he

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Speaker 3: knows he can get better too. He knows he can

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Speaker 3: play better. He knows he can do the things that

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Speaker 3: we want him to do and expect him to do

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Speaker 3: more consistently. And I think that's a sign of having

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Speaker 3: the right guy here, the right guy to build a

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Speaker 3: this team is really the epitome of a team. They

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Speaker 3: love each other, they play hard for each other, and

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Speaker 3: that's that's really indicative, and it's a straight reflection of

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Speaker 3: their leader. And that's Bo, who gets the job done,

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Speaker 3: who handles himself very professionally. He knows how to say

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Speaker 3: to do better. He knows how to do it, man,

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Speaker 3: And I think we're just seeing him mature into that position.

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Speaker 3: And the great thing about this team, and I love

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Speaker 3: all the oh, Washington's a three and eight ball club, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're right, the Broncos aren't playing the best ball they

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Speaker 3: can and that's the beautiful thing is each week they

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Speaker 3: just keep winning and getting better at every every single

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Speaker 3: aspect that I've seen that they need to improve upon,

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Speaker 3: they improve upon it. Their ball skills on defense, we're

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Speaker 3: amazing this this week, last week or last weekend, knocking

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Speaker 3: like we're gonna we're gonna make these playoffs and we're

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Speaker 3: not just gonna go, but we're gonna have a team

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Speaker 3: areas where if he just if you just wait, if

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Speaker 3: he just settles just a little bit more trusts those

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Speaker 3: throwing the ball downfield and completing third and thirteen, third

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Speaker 3: them to go and do what they're expecting to do

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Speaker 3: and what we want them to do as fans. And

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Speaker 3: so that's the exciting part. Yeah, they can play better

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Speaker 3: of course you always can, but they're working on it,

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Speaker 3: just like they did and yet came down to the

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Speaker 3: very final play. But great play, but you don't make

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Speaker 3: the play. Guys are making plays. That's what it's gonna take.

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Speaker 3: You don't win a super Bowl guys don't make extraordinary plays.

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Speaker 3: And that was one right there along with both throw

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Speaker 1: So from your perspective, winning the way that they are winning,

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Speaker 3: You know, I think I want to see them just win,

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Speaker 3: whatever it takes. Everyone's uh already starting to talk. Oh

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Speaker 3: the Raiders. It's in Vegas. They should go eat beat

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Speaker 3: these guys. Yeah, it all sounds great on TV and

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Speaker 3: the Fantasy Prognosticators and all these people in suits and

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Speaker 3: that's the beautiful thing. When you're playing in these close games.

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Speaker 3: You learn who steps up, you learn who you can

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Speaker 3: He is not afraid of any score, any play, any player,

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Speaker 3: You know, Troupman stepped up last week. We got J. L.

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Speaker 3: a hell of a year. I've been enjoying every single

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Speaker 5: We're talking to Jake Plumber, former Bronco quarterback, and the

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Speaker 5: way you describe bo Nick's Jake, it kind of reminded

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Speaker 5: me of this kid that we're number sixteen out of

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Speaker 4: I know why you'd like both.

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Speaker 5: I think Bow reminds you a lot of yourself, am

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Speaker 5: I right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the kid loves to play. You can

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Speaker 3: see it. He just loves to compete, and that's it.

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Speaker 3: and you look at his face, you would follow him anywhere.

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Speaker 3: he doesn't believe. I mean he does. He doesn't take sacks,

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Speaker 3: He's fallen down and puts the ball not just ten yards,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you saying that, but Boe is his own

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Speaker 2: Said Jake Plummer with us last one for me.

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Speaker 1: So it's an interesting discussion when we get into quarterback

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Speaker 1: last year. But again, it is a team game. So

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Speaker 1: where do you come down on quarterback wins as a stat?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Maybe as a QB, you know you're gonna be

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Speaker 4: Win or lose. That's it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if he's losing these games, we're looking for

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Speaker 3: everyone's looking at bow but this, this team is what

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Speaker 3: I never got to play Brady and Horse or pickleball

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Speaker 3: We had to all go out and do our job

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Speaker 4: Be key, Jake.

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Speaker 1: It's always great to catch up with you, man. Thank

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Speaker 3: Hey, it's my pleasure.

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Speaker 3: I'm enjoying watching this team. I hope everyone else is

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Speaker 1: The quarterback wins thing is always such a dicey thing

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Speaker 4: That is more than several of them combined.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's tough to measure Pennix and McCarthy because

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Speaker 2: So some of those are tough to compare.

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Speaker 1: But for the guys that are full time, especially Drake

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Speaker 4: And yet when you.

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Speaker 5: Go back and look at quarterbacks careers the big picture,

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 5: Won a super Bowl, you know, they talk about guys

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Speaker 4: So wins do.

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Speaker 5: Matter, That's what I'm trying to say. And bon Nicks

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Speaker 5: he's just got that thing. He's got that something special.

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Speaker 5: He knows how to finish football games. Not every quarterback

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Speaker 2: Well, he's so good at and Jake talked about it there.

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Speaker 1: He's so good at those end of half moments, end

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Speaker 1: I mean sometimes we don't talk enough about those kind

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Speaker 2: That is is truly.

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Speaker 1: Remarkable, and it's it's really a big reason why we're

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just got distracted by your beard Oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I actually need a haircut and I need a beer

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Speaker 4: I just noticed it I had there.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, you're you're doing something different, and you've got

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Speaker 4: That's kind of a good look for you.

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Speaker 4: You look more seasoned there, it is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, I actually had a fully brown beer

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Speaker 4: It's just your beard just threw me off for a second. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I well, actually I don't get that, and nobody's ever

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Speaker 5: I just noticed things more than others. Well, it's an

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's part of what makes you so

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Speaker 1: I mean, not only on what you do in the mornings,

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Speaker 2: Gotta be observed. That's my superpower. It's your job.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and so I'm gonna stop looking at your beard.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna turn this. I'm gonna turn this direction. Now

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Speaker 5: I'm looking at Grant's mustache. What the heck?

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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that you asked, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 6: I for my wife, So she's a mustache fan, doesn't

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Speaker 2: He had a glorious beard. I know you did for

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Speaker 5: But for some reason I just noticed you're down to

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Speaker 2: I'll be here, huckle beer.

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Speaker 4: That's a good look for you.

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Speaker 5: Now the bolo tie thing and all, okay, yeah, you

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Speaker 4: Rock in that thing too.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what I just got thrown off for

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Speaker 4: a second. Okay, let's get back on track.

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Speaker 2: It's fine.

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Speaker 1: We can talk about facial hair or are you thinking

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Speaker 2: Is that why you're suddenly.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to during November? I asked Dave Logan several times,

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Speaker 1: No, those days are behind him. He used to have

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Speaker 5: Oh you see pictures of him from like late seventies,

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Speaker 4: That's a good way to put it.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, maybe Tom Selleck copied Dave Logan's stash.

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Speaker 4: Dave was before Tom Selleck was.

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Speaker 2: It probably better weather out there in Hawaii versus Cleveland.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're wearing Hawaiian shirts than Yeah, and then Cleveland

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right, Scarbs, no day.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, I distracted you, Actually you distracted me. Let's get

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Speaker 1: Grant Smith and Nick Ferguson will take you into the evening.

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Speaker 1: Please drive safe as a you heard there from Jake,

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Speaker 1: Please drive safe out there. This when Gray and the

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Speaker 1: Beard is fine if you're married, but if you're single.

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Speaker 2: It sucks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that's a it's an interesting deal, right.

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Speaker 1: So obviously I'm married and you guys know that, but

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Speaker 2: I talked myself out of it, but.

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Speaker 1: I don't like the gray, but if I color it in,

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Speaker 4: Oh, who's recommending it?

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Speaker 1: Well, somebody said that gray and the beard is fine

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Speaker 5: So people look better with gray and the beard than others.

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Speaker 5: derailed the entire segment.

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Speaker 2: It's on me.

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Speaker 4: I apologize.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to be more professional.

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Speaker 5: For sure, your beard has to be a little more professional.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot, really, I'll give you that.

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Speaker 1: Hey, so I know you want to talk about this

446
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Speaker 1: University of Colorado who found out yesterday the Athletic Department

447
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Speaker 1: is projecting that will run a twenty seven million deficit

448
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Speaker 1: during the current fiscal year ending in June, in addition

449
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Speaker 1: to needing eleven point nine million institutional support from the

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Speaker 1: university and two point two million from student fees.

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Speaker 2: According to the budget figures.

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Speaker 1: The numbers are not final, as this report does say,

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Speaker 1: but it's part and parcel. As we know, it's a

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Speaker 1: coach Prime salary when he signed a five year contract

455
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Speaker 1: worth more than ten million annually just this last year. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's very quickly my opinion, I don't

457
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Speaker 1: know if it's completely fair to lay that just at

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Speaker 1: the feet of coach Prime and say, well, this is

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Speaker 1: this is on you, because.

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Speaker 2: It's going right.

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Speaker 1: If you want to if you want to coach, you're

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Speaker 1: a you're in a power conference. And if you want

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Speaker 1: a coach in a power conference that is going to

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Speaker 1: get the attention that you want and that you've had

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Speaker 1: so far, well, it's going to cost you something you can't.

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Speaker 1: You can't nickel and dime these kinds of things. And

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Speaker 1: and you also, by the way, can't just say wow,

468
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Speaker 1: you know you're three to nine this year. Clearly the

469
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Speaker 1: program is heading in the wrong direction. We're just gonna

470
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Speaker 1: move on from because then you still got to pay him.

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Speaker 1: So I think you're sort of where you're at and

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Speaker 1: hoping he can turn it around. And by what he

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Speaker 1: said in his final press conference, he's the if it's

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Speaker 1: the last thing he does, he's going to turn this

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Speaker 1: thing around.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's not a good look.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's been reported that Coach Prime brought in

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Speaker 5: a ton of revenue to the program, and I don't

479
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Speaker 5: doubt that.

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Speaker 4: So where did the money go? What's going on there?

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Speaker 5: So see, you is spending money they don't have, which

482
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Speaker 5: is not a good thing if you want to be

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Speaker 5: a real, big time football program. And as you said,

484
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Speaker 5: they went out and got a They paid coach Prime

485
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Speaker 5: like he's a big time football coach. You need to

486
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Speaker 5: have the money to back it up. And they're writing

487
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Speaker 5: checks that they can't cash. And when you are the

488
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Speaker 5: three and nine record, and basically, well he's got a

489
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Speaker 5: losing record and it's three years there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and those are the facts.

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Speaker 5: The money starts to dry up, and so I'm wondering,

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Speaker 5: I'm just reading into this. Maybe they don't have as

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Speaker 5: much money as they projected they would have coming in

494
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Speaker 5: when they gave Coach Prime that deal, plus the nil

495
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Speaker 5: money that they've spent, and when you're three and nine,

496
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Speaker 5: people aren't so enthusiastic about throwing money at your program.

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Speaker 1: They pointed out something else here, and we talked about

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Speaker 1: this and when it happened. But these universities now have

499
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Speaker 1: a twenty point five million dollar annual benefits via the

500
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Speaker 1: NCAA House Legal Settlement settlement. Right to remember the twenty

501
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Speaker 1: point five million that these universities now have to give

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Speaker 1: to players, right, every university now has this, Well, that's

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Speaker 1: money that you have to come up with, like that's

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Speaker 1: not just given to you. That you have to come

505
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Speaker 1: up with twenty point five million dollars to play the players.

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Speaker 1: And so that is also part of this issue, if

507
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Speaker 1: you will. Now, I don't know what they're gonna do

508
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Speaker 1: to ultimately solve it. I mean, it's it's kind of

509
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Speaker 1: what it is. I guess you're gonna, you know, lean

510
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Speaker 1: on your boosters and try to do some that maybe

511
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Speaker 1: be some bake sales or something.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know really what you do.

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Speaker 5: These schools that are paying their head coaches that kind

514
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Speaker 5: of money, they have boosters that will throw that kind

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Speaker 5: of money at the program. And I think, so you

516
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Speaker 5: probably assumed that they could play in that game, that

517
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Speaker 5: they could play in that arena.

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Speaker 2: And maybe you're right. Maybe that's that's where the miss.

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Speaker 4: They've never been that program.

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Speaker 5: You're right, And so you got this coach that you

521
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Speaker 5: paid them like a top five coach in college football,

522
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Speaker 5: and apparently a lot of revenue came in at some point.

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Speaker 5: But when you go three and nine, people they just

524
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Speaker 5: kind of lose a little interest in spending their money

525
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Speaker 5: and investing their money in that program. So I'm thinking, and

526
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Speaker 5: I don't know, but my guess is looking at this,

527
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Speaker 5: they're having a tough time competing in that arena with

528
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Speaker 5: the big boys. They paid their coach like they pay

529
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Speaker 5: the big boy coaches, but the program is not at

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Speaker 5: that level.

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Speaker 4: Does that make any sense?

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Speaker 2: It absolutely does.

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Speaker 1: And because those programs tend to win, and because you're

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Speaker 1: going to be able to.

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Speaker 5: Draw more, right, they draw, and they have bigger stadiums,

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Speaker 5: almost all of them that we're talking about, Ohio State, Michigan, LSU, those.

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Speaker 4: Guys draw a lot.

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Speaker 5: They have much bigger stadiums, in some cases twice as big.

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Speaker 1: I think if you coach Prime because of what you

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Speaker 1: able to do last season, not this season currently, that

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Speaker 1: you just wrapped up last season and the success that

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Speaker 1: they had, and certainly putting CEU on the map in

543
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Speaker 1: a way that it has not been for many many years,

544
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Speaker 1: if not maybe even all the way back into the nineties.

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Speaker 1: I mean, coach McIntyre had had a nice run there

546
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Speaker 1: for like a couple of years. But for the most part,

547
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Speaker 1: this is a different era than anything we've ever experienced

548
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Speaker 1: with the University of Colorado. So there's a price with that.

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Speaker 1: I personally, I am not done with that. I know

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Speaker 1: there's some people that have the pitchforks out and the

551
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Speaker 1: three to nine season is unacceptable and we need to

552
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Speaker 1: fire people in order to show accountability. But I don't

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Speaker 1: I guess I don't completely subscribe to that. I do

554
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Speaker 1: think you need another year. I think I'd like to

555
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Speaker 1: see a year of some continuity a quarterback that if

556
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Speaker 1: that felt like the biggest miss this year. Is they

557
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Speaker 1: really never settled on a direction there, and you know,

558
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Speaker 1: you invested in Pat Shermer as being like the answer

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Speaker 1: on offense, and that wasn't going to be a very

560
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Speaker 1: good idea either, So you made some decisions that didn't

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Speaker 1: quite work out. You learn from that, and I'm interested

562
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Speaker 1: to see how he can turn it around. I think

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Speaker 1: you give him a shot at least next year to

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Speaker 1: turn it around.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I don't think there's any way they're going to

566
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Speaker 5: fire him. Yeah, they can't ford to fire them. They're

567
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Speaker 5: already working on a deficit. You can't fire a coach

568
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Speaker 5: prime and pay him out with the deficit that you

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Speaker 5: already have going in.

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Speaker 4: That's not going to happen.

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Speaker 5: A listener's a texted in, is a little weird that

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Speaker 5: Rick George decided to step down before this came out.

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Speaker 5: I had a friend called me yesterday that won a

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Speaker 5: national championship at CU and he's very very successful, big

575
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Speaker 5: time booster, big time alum, big time insider.

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Speaker 4: He's concerned. He asked me the same question.

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Speaker 5: He said, do you think this is a little weird

578
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Speaker 5: that Rick George just walked away from this? This is

579
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Speaker 5: a guy that's got a dog in the fight. I don't,

580
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Speaker 5: and it got my attention for sure. Yeah, do you

581
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Speaker 5: believe time time. There's this interesting quote here.

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Speaker 1: It says, with the lame duck athletic director, a dismal

583
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Speaker 1: football season, who knows what to happen with the transfer portal,

584
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Speaker 1: donor fatigue, and the distancing of the football leadership from

585
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Speaker 1: the football lums, the prospects the prospects for making much

586
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Speaker 1: of a dent in that deficit seemed very slim.

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Speaker 5: That's what I said. I think they're in a really

588
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Speaker 5: tough spot. They paid him like he's a big time coach.

589
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Speaker 5: They didn't get a big time return in any way.

590
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Speaker 5: He's been a losing coach and then donor fatigue. That's

591
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Speaker 5: that's a great way to put it. When you're three

592
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Speaker 5: and nine, people aren't that enthusiastic about it anymore.

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Speaker 2: That donut fatigue.

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Speaker 4: That's a good term. Yeah, that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: That makes things a little That makes it to feel

596
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Speaker 1: a little more bleak in as far as making this up,

597
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Speaker 1: because I think most people are like, I just go

598
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Speaker 1: back to the donors, and him is like, I mean,

599
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Speaker 1: you've probably been doing that since Prime got here, And

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Speaker 1: even George acknowledge when they brought him in, They're like,

601
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Speaker 1: we don't have the money to pay him, but we're

602
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Speaker 1: gonna find it.

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Speaker 4: They don't have that type of program.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and even when they were winning national championships, they're

605
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Speaker 5: they're their history of being a traditional powerhouse football.

606
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Speaker 4: Team that was a long time ago.

607
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Speaker 5: And so this program, there's donor fatigue when you're three

608
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Speaker 5: and nine, they're they're not they're not going to give

609
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Speaker 5: you the money that maybe you projected. Now you got

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Speaker 5: this deficit and you got to coach making nine ten

611
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Speaker 5: million bucks a year.

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Speaker 4: That's a bad formula.

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Speaker 1: Final moments here of KA Sports, we're gonna have things

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Speaker 1: off to Broncos Country to Night's Granted Smith. That's a

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be We're gonna hear a lot of that

616
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Speaker 1: as coming up hour with Nick Ferguson and Grant Smith.

617
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Speaker 1: The Nuggets off to an early lead here against the

618
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Speaker 1: Pacers forty eight forty one. Boy, they're struggling at home

619
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Speaker 1: for straight losses. That's uh, it's kind of a tough

620
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Speaker 1: deal there, but yeah, we'll obviously keep you updated on that.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys, what are you guys getting into

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Speaker 1: a Broncos Country Tonight this evening.

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Speaker 6: Well, we're gonna continue the conversation you and Nick had

624
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Speaker 6: a little bit yesterday about the Broncos running games, struggles,

625
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 6: defending the run and running the ball on offense. We've

626
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 6: got our fantasy expert, Paul Charchi in coming on.

627
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Speaker 2: Nice give us.

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Speaker 6: I got a win or go home in my fantasy league,

629
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Speaker 6: so he's gonna give me some tips for that. We

630
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 6: got Sean Keeler to talk about the Buffs and that

631
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 6: story you and Rick were talking about in the last segment,

632
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Speaker 6: also Dion's recruiting style and how that may hinder them

633
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Speaker 6: going forward, and also remased us talking a little Broncos

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Speaker 6: Buffs and nuggets.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, got a load of the show, looking forward to that.

636
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: No mystery guests. No mystery guests, which is weird. That's

637
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: again a different show when Bin's not here. All right,

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Speaker 1: Well does it for us? Rick Lewis, great job. Is

639
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Speaker 1: always love working with you Tomorrow. By the way, Quinn

640
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: miners on the program. We're gonna also have Betty Fowler

641
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Speaker 1: on the program and Nick will be back in with

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Speaker 1: us as well. Broncos Country Tonight coming out next