1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: This is the Mark Madden Show, Lowlife, high Life. Oh 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: let's go now. I'm gonna call his eight three to 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: three four one two w xdx. Or you can follow 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Mark man X, McCartney at PPG 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: page Arena. Tonight a significant event. A Beatle is in Pittsburgh. 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: It's like Royalty. All we usually have is Tomlin, Black 7 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: Trump thirty five songs tonight, and you want to hear 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: all of them Like this Dealers offense could run a 9 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: game's worth of plays and I don't want to see 10 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: any of them. Uh, I'm psyched to go to McCartney 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: because I'm not a Beatles guy. I mean I'm still psyched. 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: I'm Zeppelin, Stones, et cetera. The Beatles weren't the best. 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: This notion that they're the best band ever, that's just absurd. 14 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: I mean, they were real good, but the Beatles weren't 15 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: the best. They were mostly first, but mad respect. McCartney's songwriting, production, 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: voice in multi instrumental ability is incredible. And he's from Liverpool, 17 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: but I think he's blue, not Red. I think he's Everton, 18 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: not Liverpool LEFC. I think all the Beatles are or 19 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: were blue, you know, the Beatles never said which team 20 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: they supported because they didn't want to, like, you know, 21 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 1: divide the city because I mean, if they're Everton, well, 22 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: Liverpool fans buy records too, and I'm sure they all did. 23 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: The Penguins are on their way to Sweden. No games 24 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: till Friday. That sucks. Nashville is five wins, twelve losses. 25 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: Not a good team. It's not a vacation. Two games 26 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: against the Preds and the Penguins need points. We've talked 27 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: exclusively just about about the Steelers today. My two main 28 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: topics at the beginning of the pregame show were, I 29 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: think I've overrated Aaron Rodgers's play, have I I'm not 30 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: now given him a C plus so far this season, 31 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: which would still make him the Steelers team MVP. I 32 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: talked about how Tomlin today said that for Warren to 33 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: get more touches, the Steelers need to convert more third 34 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: downs because Warren's not the third down back. Why can't 35 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: he be the third down back? Why can't he get 36 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: more touches? Anyway, But the Steelers are second last in 37 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: the league in possession time. But you know, maybe that's 38 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: because Warren doesn't get the fall enough. Maybe it's not 39 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: a matter if Warren doesn't get it because of lack 40 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: of possession time. Maybe lack of possession time is caused 41 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: by Warring not getting it enough. That game in La 42 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: that left to Mark Rogers looks shell shocked. Tomlin, like 43 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: I said, was pissy, and now Cincinnati seems like even 44 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: more of a trap game more than usual given the 45 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: Flacco factor. The Steelers cut Wan Thornhill. He was the 46 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: dips who talked in training camp about how the defense 47 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: could be historically good. Yeah, maybe not without you want it. 48 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: You loser and it's good. They cut them and it 49 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: changes nothing. James Harrison called the offense super trash. Unquote, 50 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: Cam Hayward said, the players on defense aren't all on 51 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: the same page. And my god, it's week eleven. How 52 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: in the freak can you not all be on the 53 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: same page? How it looked? What's been said the aftermath? 54 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: Like I said that loss of La left to Mark 55 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: sim things seem different now and certainly certainly not better 56 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: different four one two three three three WSDX What else 57 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: do they gotten? I'm like all over the place here. 58 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: I want to know, like you can get some calls 59 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: in if you'd like, have you out there accepted that 60 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: the Steelers aren't very good because they're not and there's 61 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: no quick fix, as in the quick fix to make 62 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: the playoff run, and maybe not even to have a 63 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: winning season. This team, I mean, would shock if they 64 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: went eight to nine. And let me tell you this 65 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: is bullface italic underline written and sharpie used the yellow 66 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: highlight pen. Two. The best thing that could happen would 67 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: be to go eight to nine and finally get the 68 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: bloom off that meaningless rose and see things clearly and 69 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: forget that effing streak because it's mostly bends anyway. Tiland 70 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: being mad with the media after the game Sunday night 71 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: was hilarious. A lot of stuff about this. Come on, 72 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: it's hilarious. Admit it. Admit it's hilarious. I think it's hilarious. 73 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: It's funny. Come on, you know everybody knows. As I 74 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, the Penguins are practicing shootouts now, which they 75 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: hadn't been to this point and back through Mike Sullivan's tenure. 76 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: They got to solve that shootout problem. You can't lose 77 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: every shootout. It's a weird problem with a lot of layers, 78 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: both Penguins goalies are bad at the shootout. Jari sucks. 79 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: Shilloffs is beyond sucks. He is historically sucks eight shootout 80 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: attempts against him this season seven goals an additional goal 81 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: on a penalty shot during regulation play. And I think 82 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: of those eight goals, five have gone through his five hole. 83 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: Like I said, Muse didn't practice the shootout till now, 84 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: Sullivan never practice the shootout. In addition to the goalie problems, 85 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: the Penguins don't have great shooters on the shootout. And 86 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: this is this is a this is a big Well, 87 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: I'm very intelligent, you know that, super genius, but this 88 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: is this is big thinking on my part, even for me. 89 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: Because the peng was never practiced a shootout. Mues doesn't 90 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: know who the best shooters are. How would he know, 91 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: and so he goes with hunches. But more likely he 92 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: goes with just the best players sid Gino, Latang, Rusty whatever, 93 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: even though sid Geno Latang aren't great at it. If 94 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: Rusty's the best they got ins by default, I would 95 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: do everything I could to fix this. Practicing shootouts is 96 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: a step in the right direction. I would sub out 97 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: the goalie for the shootout, except they won't and they 98 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: both suck. But like, even as bad as Jari is, 99 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: I would put him in for the shootout in place 100 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: of shilloffs. Or I'd get a goalie who's better at 101 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: the shootout than either of these, or keep more soft 102 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: if it's him, and I get a shootout specialist among 103 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: the shooters, like Eric Christensen or Yushi Jokin and were 104 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: in the Bosma era, because I say again, it doesn't 105 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: matter who the fourth line wingers are if they do 106 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: one thing well, like the shootout. The Penguins are a 107 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: borderline playoff team and they need these shootout points. It's 108 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: a problem, and up until just now practicing the shootout, 109 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: they haven't even addressed it. And another thing considering how 110 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: like I know they're in pretty good shape now, but 111 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference it might suck. But the Penguins ain't 112 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: great and those standings are packed from top to bottom. 113 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: It is going to be a slog to get into playoffs, 114 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: so every point is valuable. And in that vein, Gino 115 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: shouldn't play overtime. He's too slow for three on three. 116 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: He stays on the rink too long, he makes bad decisions. 117 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: The Penguins treat three on three like the stars should 118 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: automatically play and not the best three on three players, 119 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: although I don't know how mused would know that, because 120 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: I don't think they practice three on three. You know, 121 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: it's great three on three Eric Carlson that he's really 122 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: good at. He's having a great season period so far. 123 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: It's almost made me forget how awfully was the last 124 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: two seasons. Almost one five nine X one. 125 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: O five nine d X says your shot at tis 126 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: drink cash. 127 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: Money like that is sheet River blue cho a row. 128 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: I'm rich, rich, rich, listen all day for your chance 129 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 3: at some extra cash. On one oh five nine the 130 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 3: X from the Seedon Hill University Traffic Center. Schedule your 131 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: campus visit today. This report is sponsored by Staples. 132 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: Jamming up on the Parkway East outbound from the Boulevard 133 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 2: of the Allies to the Squirrel Hill Tunnel inbounds heavy 134 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 2: Edgewood Swiss fail to the squirrel Hill Tunnel than jams 135 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: County Jail to the Fort Pitt Bridge fifty one south bound. 136 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: Seeing a jam from Midwood Avenue into eighty eight Brendan 137 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: Joseph total traffic. 138 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 4: Have an easy holiday only at staples, save on custom 139 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 4: cards and customer rapping paper, great gifts, shipping, some license. 140 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: Help with me, and this is just your moment of clarity. 141 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 3: I don't think, Oh, I know some X at one 142 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 3: five nine. 143 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: As Tom and I talked about earlier, the latest media 144 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: buzz nationally is that Mike tom wants to go to 145 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: the New York Giants because they fired their head coach. 146 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: Here's Rich Eisen talking about that on the NFL network. 147 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 3: I think he's a Hall of Fame head coach. 148 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 4: I think he is remarkable at plugging into the athlete. 149 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 4: I think he is remarkable at taking the passion for 150 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 4: football and instilling it in a team. 151 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: And I think that if this falls apart, I. 152 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 4: Wouldn't be surprised if the Steelers finally say let's figure 153 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 4: something out and then Tomlin shows up somewhere else. 154 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 3: The Giants would be a bad spot. 155 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 5: Uh. 156 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 4: I think Tomlin is one going to be a coach 157 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 4: in this league for as long as he wants to be. 158 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 4: But I totally understand that Steeler fans are like, we're 159 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 4: we're done. We're done with seeing something that has flashes 160 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 4: of excellence in the regular season, only to wigne prior 161 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 4: to the playoffs. 162 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: First off, Tomlin is a Hall of Fame coach if 163 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: you ignore the last two thirds of his resume, which 164 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: they will. If you look at Tomlin's entire body of work, 165 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: the notion that he's a Hall of Fame coach is laughable. 166 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: But he's going to get in. And yeah, like Eisen said, 167 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 1: the Steelers really look plugged in at LA, didn't they? 168 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: He said, sarcastically, And yeah, the Steelers were just dripping 169 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: with passion at LA, he said, just as sarcastically. Tomlin 170 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: would go to the New York Giants and they would 171 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: suck and it look like a dope one hundred percent 172 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: what he'd go there and make Jackson Dart into a 173 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 1: big timer. Hit him, p Jackson Dart. He's not a quarterback. 174 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: He coach. He inherited a great one, and since then 175 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: he's mangled it. When Tomlin took the job from Bill Kyer, 176 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: he inherited a great team and a perfect franchise at 177 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 1: the time, the NFL's model franchise. But the worse that 178 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: team gets and that franchise gets too, the more we 179 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: see what a mediocre coach Mike Tomlin is and how 180 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: full of crap. Mike Tomlin is utterly a billion percent 181 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: full of crap. So yeah, coach t go to New York. 182 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: I'd love to see it, and then everybody would see 183 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. He'd be a bum there, say 184 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: me saying Mike Tomlin, because no big time team is 185 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: going to bring him in, Like the Lions are gonna 186 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: fire Dan Campbell to hire Mike Tomlin. So wherever he goes, 187 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: he's gonna have to dig out, just like he can't 188 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: dig out here. Why would anybody think he could dig 189 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: out someplace else? Like I said, Sam, he's saying, let's 190 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: go to our good friend. He is the Hebrew hammer 191 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: hammer yuk shamash yuk chamanash. 192 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 6: Hey, if I was Tomlin, I would wait to see 193 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 6: who wins the Super Bowl and maybe they'll their coach 194 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 6: will retire that he can coach them, and then that's 195 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 6: that'd be a good. 196 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 7: Job for him. 197 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: Well that's what I mean, Like no team can offer 198 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: Tomlin the situation coming in that the Steelers offered him 199 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: when Kawer retired, that was a rather unique situation just 200 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: two years removed with the Super Bowl from a super 201 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: Bowl with a Hall of Fame coach a Hall of 202 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: Fame quarterback, like he'll never get that again. And that's 203 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: the only reason he made as good as he did 204 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. And the further we get away from that, 205 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: the further we get away from his record being Hall 206 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: of Fame caliber. 207 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, and even from a practical standpoint, I mean, he's 208 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 6: in his mid fifties. I mean, his roots, he's been 209 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 6: here for twenty years. I mean, the money in New 210 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 6: York doesn't go as far as it doesn't Pittsburgh. He's 211 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 6: staying here, and that's that. 212 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: I think he'll I think he'll stay here as long 213 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: as he wants to coach, and he'll be able to 214 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: do that as long as he wants to hear in Pittsburgh. 215 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: You're right, Hammer, And I also think that if he 216 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: quits coaching, he'd be nuts not to go to TV 217 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: because his reputation in from Pittsburgh, what he did here 218 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,359 Speaker 1: would never diminish in that profession. 219 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 6: I think if he goes to New York, though, he 220 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 6: could be like the King of New York, much like 221 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 6: Wesley Snipes in the movie New York City. 222 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like no comparison there. That's your cue, that's 223 00:13:55,400 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: your queue. I need me some new Jack cops to 224 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: take that. A new Jack gangster. Alex, you're on what 225 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: up mine? 226 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: What up Mine? 227 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 7: I couldn't agree with the hammer more, but just to 228 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 7: piggyback off that, I want to stop hearing from the 229 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 7: people that are saying, well, if he leaves, he's gonna 230 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 7: go get another job. Okay, cool, that's what everyone said 231 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 7: when Mike Sullivan left the Penguins and he went and 232 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 7: got another. 233 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: Job, and Derek Shelton left the Pirates and he had 234 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: another job inside of six months. 235 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, let him go if if you're really 236 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 7: not afraid, just let him go. Who cares? He's stale 237 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,119 Speaker 7: and he won a Super Bowl with Bill Cower's leftovers, 238 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 7: and nobody could convince me otherwise. 239 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: As as I always say, and thank you for the call, Alex, 240 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: he won with cowards players. But the bigger thing is 241 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: he won with Cower's culture and leaders, and the culture 242 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: he established since is crap. It's kaka and the leaders 243 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: ain't step fourth because no need to lead when the 244 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: coach really doesn't lead, and he really doesn't, he really 245 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: doesn't up. Next, we'll talk hockey with Pierre McGuire here 246 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: on one, O five to nine. 247 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 4: It's all would have shown way better than NDR Weekend 248 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 4: Mornings at six on the X. 249 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: If you can't get enough, if you're Pittsburgh Steelers, then 250 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: check out the latest podcast from Steelers Nation Radio, a 251 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: part of the Steelers Audio Network, hundreds of hours of 252 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: exclusive going When you got a young Trophy White owes 253 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: money to I can't even quote the big o'bowski right, Goodbye. 254 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 3: The X at one. 255 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: The Penguins are in Sweden for a couple games against Nashville, 256 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: joining me out of tak hockey. He's the best guy 257 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: there is to do it. He's done everything in the 258 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: great game. He is Pierre McGuire, Pierre, I gotta talk shootout. 259 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: Jari and Shilloffs are bad at the shootout and shilloffs especially, 260 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: so how do the Penguin solve that? Because they need 261 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: those shootout points they do. 262 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 8: It's such a good point. When the new rules came 263 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 8: into the National Hockey League back in two thousand and five, 264 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 8: two thousand and six that season, before the season started, 265 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 8: Scottie Bowman and I sat down it is building down 266 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 8: in Florida and CS the key and we try to 267 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 8: come up with a way to build a team. And 268 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 8: it's interesting you had asked me this question because two 269 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 8: weeks ago, when I was in Europe presenting to the WTF, 270 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 8: I talked about this very situation and we came up 271 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 8: with a thing called the seven player profile. And the 272 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 8: seven player profiles this it's two dominant centers, it's one 273 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 8: power forward, it's one specialist board that could be a 274 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 8: faceoff guy, Benley, killer, power play guy, physical guy, your choice. 275 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 8: And then on defense, you needed an elite puck moving 276 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 8: defenseman and then an elite shutdown defension that could play 277 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 8: between twenty two and twenty six minutes every night. And finally, 278 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 8: you needed to have an elite goalie. And the reason 279 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 8: why you needed to have an elite goalie and our 280 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 8: seven player profile mark was because of what you just 281 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 8: asked me. The amount of parody that was going to 282 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 8: be introduced to the league because of the salary cap 283 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 8: was number one. Number two, the rules were changed to 284 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 8: have the shootout, and number three, there was going to 285 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 8: be more overtimes because of the parody, and because of that, 286 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 8: you were gonna have more odd man rushes in overtime. 287 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 8: So you need to have any league goalie because of 288 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 8: what's going on in the league, especially with the shootout 289 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 8: situation and the parody. 290 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: But being a good shootout goalie and just a good 291 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: goalie can be two different things, Pierre, And with that 292 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: in mine, I ask, would you sub about chilloffs for 293 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: the shootout? It never gets done, but he's so bad, 294 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 1: would you use the other goaltender? 295 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 8: It's just that, you know, I've seen teams actually do that, 296 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 8: believe it or not, and I don't know if it works. 297 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 8: I think it takes a goalie out of rhythm. The 298 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 8: guy that obviously was playing might be a dent to 299 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 8: his psyche. And then the third part of it is 300 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 8: the other guy's coming in cold. And I know people 301 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 8: at home run and say these guys to relead athletes, 302 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 8: it's not gonna happen. The potential for injury with the 303 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 8: cold goalie going in at that time of the game 304 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 8: is pretty substantial. So I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, 305 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 8: but I'd say I wouldn't be a proponent of doing that. 306 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: What's your presson to Morrishoff in his NHL debut on Sunday. 307 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 8: I thought he was really solid. You know, he had 308 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 8: a little bit of divine intervention with a puck off 309 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 8: the post early on through a maze of players. But 310 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 8: I thought he looked active, he looked aggressive, he looked athletic, 311 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 8: he looked flexible, he read the plays well. Maybe a 312 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 8: little nervous early with his rebound control, but I thought 313 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 8: Buying Largeie was really good. The guy that took that 314 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 8: game over on Sunday, by the way, no doubt in 315 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 8: my mind. I watched it. I worked the game the 316 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 8: pregame show with Paul staiego all night. Just tell you 317 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 8: right now, that was Kevin Piallow's game. Kevin Fiaali for 318 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 8: La just took that game over. And I don't care 319 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 8: who was in goal, Both tucks were going in. 320 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: Did the Penguins deserve better than one point out of 321 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: the weekend games against New Jersey? In La, I felt 322 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: like they definitely played New Jersey and at New Jersey. 323 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I thought they should have beat Jersey as well. 324 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 8: That's just one of those things that's gonna happen. Jersey's 325 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 8: really smoking hot on home ice. They hadn't really haven't 326 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 8: lost game in regulation. I think they're seven zero to 327 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 8: one or seven to zero and two, if I remember correctly, 328 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 8: at the. 329 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 3: Top of my head. 330 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 8: So they're undefeated in regulation on home, I said, know that. 331 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 8: And I really thought Pittsburgh was a better team versus 332 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 8: La on Sunday, I really did. I thought they were 333 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 8: a better team, and I thought Pittsburgh deserved at least 334 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 8: two points in that game. 335 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: Why haven't the Penguin scored lately, at least in those 336 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: last two games anyway, Pierre, because that had been their 337 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: big strength. They were conceding goals but scoring more. It 338 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: kind of went in the opposite direction in those two games. 339 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 8: It starts to catch up with you. You don't have 340 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 8: Ricard Raquel, you don't have Justin Brazo. I know it's 341 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 8: not a goal scoring player, but you don't have Nola Chari. 342 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 8: And Nola Chari creates a lot through his enthusiasm and 343 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 8: his board play, so you can create offensive zone time. 344 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 8: And I thought when they had Lazade Dura and the charity, 345 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 8: it was a really good identity line for the Pittsburgh Penguin. 346 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 8: So you lose three regulars out of your lineup, which 347 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 8: kind of hurts you a little bit in terms of offense, 348 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 8: and then you're starting to move players around, so kindle 349 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 8: moves up to play with Crosby and Rust rather than 350 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 8: playing down on the line where he's playing with Novak 351 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 8: and corovesmen, so that all those little things matter, and 352 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 8: that's one of the things where I think they've lost 353 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,479 Speaker 8: a little bit of their offensive mojo. 354 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: Eric Carlson's playing really well, isn't he. For one thing, 355 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: He's a wizard in overtime three on three, and I 356 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: think he's had more good games this year as a 357 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: Penguin than in the last two seasons here combined. 358 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 8: I'm gonna support your point with facts, real facts through numbers, 359 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 8: because I did a little bit of a research project 360 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 8: on Eric. So if you look at the last three years. 361 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 8: Three years ago he played eighty two games, he was 362 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 8: minus twenty four. His first year in Pittsburgh, two years ago, 363 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 8: he played all eighty two games, he was plus four. 364 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 8: Last year he played all eighty two games. He was 365 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 8: minus twenty six. This year in a career, that's a 366 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 8: total of minus seventeen going into the game Sunday, this year, 367 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 8: Eric Carlson is plus six. He's made a massive difference 368 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 8: in his offensive game. That speaks to the plus minus 369 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 8: that he's made a massive difference in his defensive game. 370 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 8: That speaks to his defensive awareness that leads to better 371 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 8: plus minus. And the biggest thing I've seen is a 372 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 8: happy guy. The happy guy in the ice. It's unbelievable 373 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 8: to watch him. He's just a completely different player. 374 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: Well, he made that comment that the coaching change, that 375 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: Dan Muse and his staff don't ask players to do 376 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: things they can't do. I didn't think that was a 377 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: reference to him. I thought it might have been a 378 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: reference to a guy like Ryan Graves who was asked 379 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: to activate and pinch more than maybe you should have. 380 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, there was a lot of innuendo in those comments, 381 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 8: there's no question. I don't know if that was at 382 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 8: the previous staff or if it was for other people. 383 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 8: I don't know, But one thing I do know, I'm 384 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 8: watching the players on the Pittsburgh Penguins get better. And 385 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 8: I'll give you an example. You'd be hard pressed go 386 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 8: around the league to find two players that are more 387 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 8: improved this year than Watherspoon and Ryan Shay. Yep, you'd 388 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 8: be hard pressed. And that's coaching. So Todd Nelson and 389 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 8: Mike Stuthers, who are both NHL defensemen and both understand 390 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 8: the position. I think they've done an amazing job working 391 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 8: with all the defense, but in particular, I just think 392 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 8: Waterspoon and Shaye have become really, really valuable members of 393 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 8: this team that have improved significantly to the point where 394 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 8: most people are like, Waterspoon spent that much time in 395 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 8: the American Hockey He was like seven straight years in 396 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 8: the American Hockey League, which Bridgeport the Islanders farm team, 397 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 8: and then even after that in Providence with Boston's farm team. 398 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 8: So I really commend this coaching staff and Patran. They've 399 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 8: done a fantastic job. 400 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: We're talking to Pierre Maguire here on the Mark Madden Show. 401 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: He's brought to us by Always Safe Flagging and Traffic Control. Pierre. 402 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: The Penguins played Nashville twice in Sweden at the weekend. 403 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: Nashville has really struggled since getting some big names like 404 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: Stamcos a few off seasons back. What's gone wrong there? 405 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, that's such a failed chemistry experiment. You know, 406 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 8: I'm a big believer in goal differential. I think it 407 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 8: says a lot about your team. And so what I 408 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 8: was looking at this morning when I was taking the 409 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 8: train from. 410 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 5: Toronto to Montreal was the goal differential of all the 411 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 5: teams in the league, and if you look at the West, 412 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 5: Nashville's minus eighteen, Saint Louis is minus nineteen, and Calgary 413 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 5: is minus nineteen. 414 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 8: Those are the three worst goal differentials in the National 415 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 8: Hockey League. They're also the three worst teams in the 416 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 8: National Hockey League right now, so that speaks to a lot. 417 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 8: I think it's a failed science experiment. They've lost some 418 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 8: character players. The Colton decisions has moved on. He's gone 419 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 8: to Vegas. Roman Yosi's been in out of the lineup. 420 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 8: He's their best player. They can't afford to miss him. 421 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 8: And the biggest thing is Marshstoll and Stamcost those two 422 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 8: guys you were alluding to that were big free agent signings. 423 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 8: They had not done well there. They just had not 424 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 8: done well. So for whatever reason, whether it's coaching, whether 425 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 8: it's players not fitting in, whether it's bad roles, it's 426 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 8: unbelievable to watch because I was expecting them to have 427 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,479 Speaker 8: a bit of a bounce back this year and they 428 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 8: have not. 429 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: Pierre, are the New York Rangers in as much trouble 430 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: as it looks? Oh and seven at home been shut 431 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: out five times, at home and boy that crops kind 432 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: of surly on a good day. 433 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 9: Yeah. 434 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 8: No, the Rangers got their first home win yesterday, And 435 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 8: you're absolutely right, right one and seven, you're right, yeah, 436 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,479 Speaker 8: well yeah, no, no, but they did. You're right too. 437 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 8: Are they as bad as they look? 438 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? 439 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 8: They are, they are. And I know I said this 440 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 8: on your show, and I'll say it again. The Rangers 441 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 8: had to have a very active shopping season last offseason, 442 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 8: had to and they chose to overrate some of their 443 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 8: players internally, and really the only shopping they did is 444 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 8: they went on and got Gabrikov from LA I don't 445 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 8: think it addressed the loss of Crider. I don't think 446 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 8: it addressed the loss of Truba. I don't think it 447 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 8: a long term addressed loss of the trade for KeAndre Miller. 448 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 8: They got a minor league prospect back in Scottie Morrow. 449 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 8: I don't think it addressed a lot of things. They're 450 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 8: offseason shopping and I think that's one of the reasons 451 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 8: why they are in the position that they are in. 452 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 8: And also an Aaron's getting older and Banajads getting older. 453 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 8: There's mileage on those guys. Trocheck's been hurt. That's a 454 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 8: bit of a problem for them. JT. Miller is a motivated, 455 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 8: super intense guy, but he's not surrounded with a lot 456 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 8: right now, and they're younger players have not gotten better there, 457 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 8: they have not. 458 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: At what point does Chris Drury the GM come under 459 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: fire and maybe even Mike Sullivan who's obviously only in 460 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: the first year of a long term deal there. 461 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't think there'll be any coaching movement there. 462 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 8: I think the biggest issue is what's gone on from 463 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 8: the front office there, and they've got to answer. And 464 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 8: the reason why I say the front office, it's not 465 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 8: just Chris. Something was going on there last year. Mark. 466 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 8: You started hearing rumors about all these different players, and 467 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 8: I think the guys in the Rangers dress room started 468 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 8: to take that stuff personal, I really do. And I 469 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 8: don't know if it was the old coaching staff, it 470 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 8: was leaking stuff. I don't know if we were, you know, 471 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 8: the underlings to Drury, whether it was Drury himself, but 472 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 8: that room was leaking like a sib last year. I 473 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 8: think you would agree because I know how much you 474 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 8: fall in the league, and it's just there was a 475 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 8: lot of stuff going on there. Mark that wasn't right 476 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 8: and I think it's carried over into this year as well. 477 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm not meaning to denigrate Sally. I 478 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: think it's going to just take time with that group, 479 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: like like we both agree, but I think it makes 480 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: him look even worse just at a glance, because the 481 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: Penguins are doing better without him there. 482 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 8: Well, so there's another thing that you know, you look 483 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 8: at it, three straight years without playoffs in might last 484 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 8: three years. That's tough. That's number one. And then I 485 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 8: look at Eric Carlson. Do you know that Eric Carlson 486 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 8: hasn't played a playoff games in six seasons? Oh, and 487 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 8: it's true. Like I looked it up. I went, I 488 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 8: did a big study on Eric the other day. And 489 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 8: part of why he did that is I was marveling 490 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 8: how happy he looked and how well he was playing. 491 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 8: So you try to identify trends with players like that, 492 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 8: how he gets a huge swing. Well, he looks a 493 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 8: lot happier now. So I don't know if he was 494 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 8: alienated by the previous coaching staff. I don't know if 495 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 8: they were asking them to do stuff he wasn't comfortable doing. 496 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 8: I don't know if he had problems in the dressing 497 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 8: room with other players. I have no idea, but I 498 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 8: tell you one thing, He's a much better player this 499 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 8: year than he wasn't previous years, especially with pitch Burn Pierre. 500 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: I haven't been able to say this for a long time, 501 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: but the San Jose Sharks are now destination viewing for 502 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: me late at night because of Macvin Telabrini. Is he 503 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: gonna make Team Canada for the Olympics. 504 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 8: I gotta think he will. I think they're gonna look 505 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 8: at what they did wrong in two thousand and six 506 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 8: when they put their team together to go to Turino, 507 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 8: Italy talking about Team Canada and they got absolutely throttled. 508 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 8: They were an embarrassment to the Team Canada brand. And 509 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 8: one of the reasons why is they had a kid 510 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 8: that should have made the team and they didn't take him. 511 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 8: His name was Sidney Crosby at that point, and most 512 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 8: people were just finding out the magic that was Sidney Crosby, 513 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 8: and then they found out really how good he was 514 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 8: in twenty ten, obviously, when they won the Olympics and 515 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 8: he got the golden goal. So I don't think they're 516 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 8: gonna make that same mistake again. I'll be absolutely shocked 517 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 8: if Maclin Celebrin is not on that team. 518 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: In that vein. Let's put a local twist on it 519 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: for Team USA. Is Logan Cooley gonna make it? 520 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 8: I sure hope he is. You know, I don't know 521 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 8: how much people in Pittsburgh are watching the Mammoth, and 522 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 8: I know they've had a really tough road trip here. 523 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 8: They've been struggling there, five and five in their last 524 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 8: ten I know that. And it's been a really tough 525 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 8: trip for them, going into odd with going into Toronto, 526 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 8: going to Montreal and losing. They won one game on 527 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 8: their trip, but Logan Cooley has been really good. Clayton 528 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 8: Keller and Logan Cooley are probably fighting that out for 529 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 8: a spot on that team. They're both American born and 530 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 8: they both playing the same team. But yeah, I hope 531 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 8: he does because he is. He is tremendous to watch. 532 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 8: I really enjoy watching Logan Cooley playing. 533 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: Here's where I think the US team's going to screw 534 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: up Pierre And you tell me if I'm up base 535 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: or not. And I'm a big fan and friend of 536 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: both Garon Anne Sullivan, but I think they're going to 537 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: go the old guy route. And I think if Patrick 538 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: Kine makes it over Logan Cooley, that'll be symptomatic of 539 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: them not picking the right team. 540 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,959 Speaker 8: Well, we're on the same page there. You know. I 541 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 8: saw what happened in two thousand and six with can 542 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 8: I was there, I witnessed it. I saw what happened 543 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 8: in twenty fourteen with Team USA going over to SOCI 544 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 8: and that was a really tough one for everybody because 545 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 8: if you remember, David Coyle got hit in the eye. 546 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 8: He was supposed to be the general manager of the team. 547 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 8: That's right, he got hit in the eye with a puck, 548 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 8: and so Ray Schirol and the last minute noted was 549 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 8: put in as a GM, and so they didn't want 550 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 8: to rock the boat too much, and they basically went 551 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 8: with the older guys that have been part of the 552 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 8: twenty ten Olympics, and so it was a bit of 553 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 8: a problem and they were not good over and Soachy 554 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 8: and Danny Bowsma was a coach and I think he 555 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 8: had a problem with the line up there. So USA 556 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 8: has seen this movie before, much like Canada did in 557 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 8: two thousand and six, and if they repeat that then 558 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 8: I feel badly for the people that are fans or 559 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 8: the team. They should not be doing that. 560 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: It was. It was symptomatic though, even at the Four 561 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: Nations Pier like when Kyle Connor didn't get a jersey 562 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: for the last game, I mean, come on. 563 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 8: Oh, I was well, I think I broke it on 564 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 8: your show, retweeted it. I'm like, what could they have 565 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 8: been watching? How could you not have Kyle Connor in 566 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 8: the gold medal game in an NHL environment where he's 567 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 8: one of the best pure scoring right now? Shocks in 568 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 8: the league, like, what are you doing? 569 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: Pierre? Finally you're on the Hockey Hall of Fame committee. 570 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: Let me, I'm going a request, why can't you just 571 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: put in Yoger? I know he's still playing in check 572 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: that technicality, you've got to be retired for how many years? 573 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: But he's fifty three, he's number two all time and 574 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: points in the NHL, and he's not coming back over 575 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: here to play. Why not just put him in? Is 576 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: that discussed? 577 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 8: Certain things I'm allowed to say publicly and certain things 578 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 8: I'm not, So I prefer not to go down that 579 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 8: road except to say this. I'm very comfortable telling you 580 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 8: and your listeners this. I was part of drafting that player, 581 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 8: as part of coaching that player, I was fortunate enough 582 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 8: to be part of two Stanley Cup winning teams with 583 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 8: that player. I couldn't be a bigger fan of the person. 584 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 8: I couldn't be a bigger fan of the player. I hope, somehow, 585 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 8: some way, there can be a way. If that makes sense. 586 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: To you, No, it makes a lot of sense. And actually, 587 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: one thing I got to touch on before we wrap 588 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: it up. Oh, he got nine hundred goals? Is anybody 589 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: going to do that ever again? And if Mario had 590 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: been healthy, what do you have got a thousand? 591 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 8: I think Mario would have gone well over nine hundred 592 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 8: if he had been healthy and had the same amount 593 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 8: of years as though Vechkin number one, number two. People 594 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 8: forget this. Most of Avechkin's goals, in fact, all of 595 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 8: them came with the red line out that leads to 596 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 8: the stretch pass and break aways in odd man rest 597 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 8: situations that Mario was never able to get because the 598 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 8: red line was still in play for the two line pass. 599 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 8: So the answer about Mario is yet well over nine hundred, 600 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 8: I believe, and probably close to one thousand. And in 601 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 8: terms of anybody catching ov now, I don't think so. 602 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 8: I don't see it to last as long as he 603 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 8: had has lasted, and to have the center iceman that 604 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 8: he had over time, whether it was Baskin or feder Off, 605 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 8: even at the beginning or even if you look at it, 606 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 8: kuz netsof like he's had three unbelievable centerment in his 607 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 8: and that helps a scoring winger like him. That power 608 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 8: playing in Washington for probably twelve years that he was 609 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 8: there was top three in the league. Dwayne Fortsye was 610 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 8: a guy that was coaching it, and he's a powerplay maven. 611 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 8: So yeah, I don't see anybody going over nine hundred. 612 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: I dealt, Pierre, you are the man. Enjoy the hockey. 613 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: We'll do it again next week. 614 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 8: I love doing this with you, my brother. Thanks so much, 615 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 8: Mark Calculator. 616 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,479 Speaker 1: Great stuff, Pierre. 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