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Speaker 3: Let's roll through another Thursday.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 2: We've got John sheeron at one o'clock. He'll join us

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Speaker 2: to talk all begles and bills. We've got Key get

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Speaker 2: Nick us in at two o'clock. He'll get us ready

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Speaker 2: for the crossdown shootout. I'm talking a little U see

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Speaker 2: football signing Day and our guy Bob Man Jean from

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Speaker 2: the University of Cincinnati and Novacare will join us in

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Speaker 2: the third hour as we discuss a little bit about

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Speaker 2: the trainer's role in a player coming back from injury.

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Speaker 2: We'll look at what Joe Burrow was able to do

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Speaker 2: and how big of an impact the trainer truly has

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Speaker 2: in something like that. We've also got some Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: audio from yesterday that we'll get to.

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Speaker 3: We've got to read and react today.

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Speaker 2: We've got to talk a little bit more about the

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills from now until three o'clock, and of course

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Speaker 2: we'll welcome you to join us as well. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. Let's jump right into the top sports stories

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Speaker 2: happening right now.

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Speaker 3: Austin.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday, I made an appearance on the New Heights podcast

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Speaker 2: with Jason and Travis Kelsey. Well sort of, right, didn't

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Speaker 2: I didn't make an appearance, right, my name did.

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Speaker 3: We've been trying to weasel you onto there for a while,

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Speaker 3: as it were, but they just keep big timing us, yep, Jason,

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Speaker 3: and then when they see it, they're.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh yeah, man, man, miss you. It's like old

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Speaker 2: what can we do? Jason yesterday outlined the story in

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Speaker 2: the Sugar Bowl. They were talking about Brian Kelly leaving

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Speaker 2: and Jason outlined the story of trying to block Carlos

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Speaker 2: Unloup that didn't go well. In turn, I got sacked

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Speaker 2: for it and Jason apologized, which was awesome. But there

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Speaker 2: was something else on that podcast that I listened to.

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Speaker 2: They had George Clooney on it. George Coloney is a

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Speaker 2: diehard Bengals fane. Travis said, you know, you've broke my

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Speaker 2: heart a couple times with the Bengals and the Chiefs,

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Speaker 2: and Travis, somep of the Bengals broke my heart because

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Speaker 2: they didn't draft me right out of their own backyard

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Speaker 2: and they went back and forth. But then Travis Kelce

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Speaker 2: said that in two and a half years with Taylor Swift,

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Speaker 2: they've never had an argument. I don't know if I

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Speaker 2: can buy that. Everyone has one every now and then, right,

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Speaker 2: I think there's a difference between a disagreement and an argument. Right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: surely there's a difference between those two things, I would think.

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Speaker 2: So I'm sure they've had disagreements. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: they've had arguments. That's fair, is it? I mean, I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to think is it an argument or is it

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Speaker 2: a disagreement of someone's just going to bed mad one night.

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Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, do to people that are

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Speaker 3: do you have disagreements in which you figure it out together?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that the root of some arguments comes

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Speaker 2: down to money at times. I think money is a

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Speaker 2: very stressful thing in life, especially in today's economy.

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Speaker 3: I think that's fair.

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Speaker 2: And you know, one would argue that money's probably not

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Speaker 3: You know, I did see a tweet about this that

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Speaker 3: said I probably wouldn't argue either. If our combined net

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Speaker 3: one point six billion, valid which is a fair point.

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Speaker 2: That's a valid point. I probably wouldn't be arguing all

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Speaker 2: that much. Other new is it shootout week. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: talk to Keegan Nickison about this. But there's this post

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Speaker 3: No, let me give you some of these. Was I alive? Well?

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Speaker 3: Here we got what year was it. Gas prices were

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you don't know.

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Speaker 2: Here's some other stuff. Wes Miller. This says two thousand

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Speaker 2: have been six years old. Howkout this ahead? Wes Miller

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Speaker 3: Could he coach then George Diking Bush much better now

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Speaker 2: The first iPod, not the iPhone, the iPod came out.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember the ipodra? I? I remember Pod Mini,

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady was in the midst of his first Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl season. Blockbuster still had five thousand stores. Wow, the

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Speaker 2: original Xbox had been on the market for not even

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Speaker 3: Is the single Blockbuster still out there? I think so?

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Speaker 3: I think so. That's like worth taking a trip. It

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Speaker 2: Shrek was released the same year You Got It Bad

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Speaker 2: by Usher was the top song.

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Speaker 3: That's a great song.

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Speaker 2: TSA Airport Security existed for less than a month. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Kirk Krisa a big reason for that. Yeah, was eleven

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Speaker 3: Wikipedia did not even exist yet. That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: The last time you see one bend at the Centa,

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Speaker 2: I can't remember that. Going and running a video game, Man,

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Speaker 2: what a day. Was so excited to rent video games?

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Speaker 3: I wish I could still do this day. I also

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Speaker 3: wish you still got a disc man. That just doesn't

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Speaker 3: the what's the word. I'm looking for the convenience of

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Speaker 3: just having everything on the boom, download it, boom, boom boom.

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Speaker 3: That's great. However, that first time opening up a fresh game,

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Speaker 3: that was cool. We've talked for a long time about

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have to do that eventually. Yeah, well I

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Speaker 2: Now, I know you're not an Elf on a shelf guy,

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Speaker 2: on social media that is taking Elf on a shelf

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Speaker 2: an early Christmas present. Dad just bought it himself, blamed

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Speaker 2: the ylf. Mom really don't have anything to say about it.

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Speaker 3: As well, so mom can't say anything in that sense. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: now I'm thinking a little bit about this. I like

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: If I lived with someone, I would get enough on

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Speaker 3: the shelf just for my own personal entertainment phenomenal. It's good.

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Speaker 2: There are good days and then there are days where

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Speaker 2: wouldn't need to do any of that. Who's in the

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Speaker 2: car if maybe you played a uh, you know, in

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Speaker 2: college sports in today's era, the nil era. I was

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Speaker 2: listening to some Busting with the Boys. Diego Pavia was

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Speaker 2: now Austin one, Diego Pavia is making this like Heisman campaign.

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Speaker 2: But he was talking about the exit meetings that happened

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Speaker 2: the exit meetings now like when I was playing? Exit

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Speaker 2: Pavia said the exit meeting that they went through. Now

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Speaker 5: What a world.

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Speaker 2: Right, Hey, here's the money. I want to come back

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Speaker 2: and play. If not, I'll just head elsewhere. But I

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Speaker 2: now talking that Vanderbilt explored the possibility of playing a

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Speaker 2: thirteenth game for this weekend as a way to give

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Speaker 2: one final showcase for the college football Playoff. There was

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Speaker 2: the coaching staff. Famba went on to say, at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, it just was too late for

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Speaker 2: as a Heisman candidate, that's one extra game he can play.

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Speaker 2: We've talked yesterday about the teams that are sitting idly

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Speaker 2: by this week. Is that something I believe they had

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Speaker 2: reached out to Utah, they reached out to Miami. Is

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Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, unsanctioned games. There are no rules in college football.

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Speaker 3: You're done right, So you should never say never Like

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Speaker 3: people are crazy enough and the money is crazy enough.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, finally, it wouldn't surprise me at all.

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Speaker 2: Finally, this this clip of Scott Sadderfield from yesterday, and

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Speaker 2: in college football and and where teams are at. And

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Speaker 2: really Scott Saddlefield's comments were about the issues in place

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Speaker 3: On Tuesday when you were out, I think I abloviated

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Speaker 2: Chili Football in the Natty on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's

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Speaker 2: Sports station. Have you gotten to the point yet, Austin,

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Speaker 2: Dipping the toe back in right now, it'd be cool.

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Speaker 3: this off. I don't know that I get nervous. I

435
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Speaker 3: don't know that I get, you know, upset or worried.

436
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Speaker 3: I love this this part of it and looking at

437
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Speaker 3: the schedule like it's actually possible.

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Speaker 2: And there's a there's a there's an amount of pressure

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Speaker 2: on Buffalo this weekend.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Bill Barnwell wrote an article this morning for ESPN dot com.

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Speaker 2: He he listed the NFL players and coaches with currently

443
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Speaker 2: the most at stake. You know who number one is.

444
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Speaker 2: It's not Sean McDermott, Joe Brady. I remember how much

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Speaker 2: we talked about Joe Brady and who he's been in

446
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Speaker 2: the excitement around I mean earlier this year you talked

447
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Speaker 2: about Joe Brady as a potential head coaching candidate, but

448
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Speaker 2: he has struggled as of late. Now it's true that

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Speaker 2: I don't think they have a number one wide receiver

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Speaker 2: in Buffalo. And we'll get to some read and react

451
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Speaker 2: and talk more about that team. And I think Dalton

452
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Speaker 2: Kincaid and his availability in this we are going to

453
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Speaker 2: be huge and we'll get to the reasons why. But

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Speaker 2: it's kind of falling apart for Joe Brady in this offense.

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Speaker 2: They are I believe eighth in EPA since that New

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Speaker 2: England Patriots loss They've turned the ball over sixteen times

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Speaker 2: in eight games. That doubles their full season total from

458
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Speaker 2: last year. So they're turning the ball over more. They

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Speaker 2: don't have a true number one wide receiver. We've talked

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Speaker 2: about a game just a couple weeks ago where the

461
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Speaker 2: Texans sacked Josh Allen eight times. Talked about a team

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Speaker 2: right now that's kind of reeling with some injuries. This

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Speaker 2: is a make no mistake about it. If you're listening

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Speaker 2: to radio in Buffalo this week, this is a massive

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Speaker 2: game for the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And if you remember, we had the quote from

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Speaker 3: Sean McDermott earlier this week that said, we know our

468
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Speaker 3: backs are against the wall, Like, yeah, they're eight and four,

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Speaker 3: they're in a spot to make the playoffs, but they

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Speaker 3: know that they have to be a better football team.

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Speaker 3: You want to know a crazy stat. I saw this

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Speaker 3: from our friend of the show, Joe Goodbary. The Bills

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Speaker 3: have a lower tackling grade on Pro Football Focus than

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Speaker 3: the Bengals. Oh my goodness, they have missed, that's impossible,

475
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Speaker 3: fifteen point four percent of their tackle attempts as a team.

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Speaker 3: The Bengals have missed thirteen point seven percent. Wow, So

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Speaker 3: the Bills have missed just under two percent more tackles

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Speaker 3: than the Bengals. That's insane, Like, you would never have

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Speaker 3: believed that.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I haven't watched every snap of every Bills game. I've

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Speaker 3: watched them enough to know that they have some issues,

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Speaker 3: But like, that's kind of crazy, right, I mean? And

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Speaker 3: also I think goes to show how well the Bengals

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Speaker 3: defense has figured it out over the last three weeks.

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Speaker 2: That is a insane st is that ridiculous. I would

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Speaker 2: have never guessed that. Yeah, with how bad this team

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Speaker 2: has been at tackling, John is calling in, Hello.

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Speaker 8: John, Just hold on one second, guys, I'm making a

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Speaker 8: bet over in the Buffalo Cincinnati game on Sunday. That's

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Speaker 8: a good team could tackle with those two quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: Let's score a lot of points up there.

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Speaker 3: That's a good bet.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think.

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Speaker 7: So.

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Speaker 8: You know the interesting thing.

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Speaker 4: About the Ravens and Steelers.

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Speaker 8: They're treading in the wrong direction, and I think you

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Speaker 8: want to see them maybe split the two games they

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Speaker 8: play each other.

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Speaker 4: That would give them.

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Speaker 8: Each a seventh loss. Obviously, the Bengals run the table

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Speaker 8: they get to.

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Speaker 4: Nine and eight.

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Speaker 8: The other thing is Baltimore was a tough schedule. They

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Speaker 8: still have to play the Patriots, Packers, Yeah, Steelers twice

507
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Speaker 8: and the Bengals. Pittsburgh is a slightly easier schedule, but

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Speaker 8: they have to go to Cleveland, which is never easy,

509
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Speaker 8: and they also play the Lions, who were in content

510
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Speaker 8: for a playoff spot, and they have to play Baltimore twice.

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Speaker 4: I really think that the Bengals on the table.

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Speaker 8: They're going to get in at nine to eight, which

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Speaker 8: would be fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Basically, have to run the table in Baltimore and Pittsburgh

515
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Speaker 3: have to split with one another and lose one more

516
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Speaker 3: of those games. Yeah, and you feel great. They're in

517
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Speaker 3: a better spot right now than they were a year ago.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy, oh.

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Speaker 8: A question, Yeah, because they did run the table last

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Speaker 8: year and they lost tie breaker with I forget which

521
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Speaker 8: team they had lost to all the Chargers, and they

522
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Speaker 8: were a game behind the Chargers.

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Speaker 5: So that was done earlier in the season.

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Speaker 8: The thing I wanted to chime in, and this is

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Speaker 8: coming from left field, is Kenny Anderson's Hall of Fame

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Speaker 8: did I actually worked with three of.

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Speaker 4: The Hall of Fame voters.

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Speaker 8: We had a radio show five ten years ago based

529
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Speaker 8: on the Hall of Fame. It was called Talk of Fame,

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Speaker 8: and I reached out to them. And the way this

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Speaker 8: works is there's fifty voters and you need forty votes

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Speaker 8: to get in. Now, in this group of five, they

533
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Speaker 8: can only vote for three at the most, So the

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Speaker 8: voters can only vote for three at the most. Last year,

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Speaker 8: Earling Shark was the only recipient out of the Veterans

536
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Speaker 8: Committee group, so they could have three of these players,

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Speaker 8: slash coaches, slash owners get into the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 8: this time around. Obviously, everybody thinks Belichick's a lock, but

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Speaker 8: in talking with some of the Hall of Fame voters,

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Speaker 8: there's a little apprehension the cheating scandal in two thousand

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Speaker 8: and six, obviously Spygate, and also the fact that they

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Speaker 8: think he may want to come back or I know

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Speaker 8: he wants to come back to the NFL. If there's

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Speaker 8: an inkling that he's coming back to the NFL, they'll

545
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Speaker 8: hold off and putting him into the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 8: because they kind of got burned with Joe Gibbs years ago.

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Speaker 4: He retired after.

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Speaker 5: Ninety two, and he came back in two.

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Speaker 8: Thousand and four, So you know, they Bill Parcells didn't

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Speaker 8: get into his first year of eligibility. The owner, Robert

551
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Speaker 8: Kraft has been so neaty trying to get into the

552
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Speaker 8: Hall of Fame, they may just push back against him.

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Speaker 8: For theater, you want to see Belichick and Craft get

554
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Speaker 8: in together because of their icy relationship. But in terms

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Speaker 8: of the three players that we're talking about, Elsie Greenwood

556
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Speaker 8: would be the eleventh different starter from the Steelers in

557
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Speaker 8: the seventies to make.

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Speaker 4: The Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 8: I think they're over representative, to be quite honest with you,

560
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Speaker 8: and you look at Roger Craig.

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Speaker 4: The forty nine Ers in the.

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Speaker 8: Eighties only have two offensive players in the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 8: Joe Montan and Jerry Rice. I don't count Steve Young

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Speaker 8: because we're more than nineties, So I think Roger Craig

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Speaker 8: is a real chance. As far as Kenny Anderson, a

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Speaker 8: comp that he played against would be Bob Greasy, who's

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Speaker 8: in the Hall of Fame. But Grease he won two

568
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Speaker 8: Super Bowls. But Kenny Anderson was as good a player

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Speaker 8: as him, won four passing titles and an MVP. And

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Speaker 8: I think a reasonable comp of the modern era is

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Speaker 8: Drew Brees, accurate passer, tremendous passes. The edge I get

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Speaker 8: to Kenny Anderson is greasy. Played in Miami, that's a

573
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Speaker 8: lot easier to play than in Cincinnati, where you're playing

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Speaker 8: in a minus sixty nine win show game against the Chargers.

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Speaker 8: And obviously Breese played in a dome. So I think

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Speaker 8: Anderson does have a chance to get in. It's going

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Speaker 8: to depend on what happens with Belichick and Craft, because

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Speaker 8: then they can put three players in if so be.

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Speaker 4: But you need forty of the.

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Speaker 8: Fifty votes to get in, and no one knows what

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Speaker 8: anyone's voting for because it's done secretly, like uh, you know,

582
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Speaker 8: like the.

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Speaker 2: Pope, secret balance, secret ballots. John, thank you so much. Man,

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Speaker 2: have a great one, you two guys. Yeah, very very

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Speaker 2: interesting as it relates to the dynamic of Kenny Anderson. Uh,

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Speaker 2: we'll get a break. Let's read and react as it

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Speaker 2: relates to Bengals Bills next. ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 9: Do you attend out?

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Speaker 10: Feel tempts now?

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Speaker 4: He goes so?

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Speaker 3: Does coat in there? The way up Kaavy.

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Speaker 2: All right, wasn't much to choose from. That had to

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Speaker 2: be Cooper Flag. That was because I know they played

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Speaker 2: the Heat last night, and I believe leave the Mavericks

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Speaker 2: won the game.

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Speaker 3: They did three straight wins for Dallas. That was an

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Speaker 3: assist from Kentucky Wildcat Anthony Davis to Duke Blue Devil

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Speaker 3: Cooper Flag. Wow, and man, I'm just our Win Schulers

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Speaker 3: call the night. Thanks are friends of Win Schulers. They're

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Speaker 3: four fantastic chief spreads. Pair well with anything this holiday

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Speaker 3: season and every holiday get together you may have. You know,

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Speaker 3: I just looked up that the final from the MAVs Heat,

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Speaker 3: and I looked up don't Don't Bulls are nine and twelve, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and first round draft pick out for the season with

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Speaker 3: shoulder surgery. Didn't they like have the best start since

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Speaker 3: like the Jordan era. Yikes? Yep, all right, we're just

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Speaker 3: good man.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 3: As I've said before, when we win, we're going back

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Speaker 3: to the finals. When we lose, it's basketball season starts

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Speaker 3: in February.

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Speaker 2: Now, before we get to read and react, we buried

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Speaker 2: the lead today, which is we talked a lot of

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Speaker 2: Kyle Schoberg. Yesterday we didn't mention yet Today the Emelio

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Speaker 2: Pegan is back with the Reds. Yeah, are we happy

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Speaker 2: about that? I mean, he's now what the second highest

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Speaker 2: paid Red on a two year deal.

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Speaker 3: He's he's a good player. Okay, he pitched really well

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Speaker 3: last year. Okay, it seemed like a relatively good deal

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Speaker 3: for both sides. He is, by my count, the yes,

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Speaker 3: the he's actually the highest paid Red at the moment,

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Speaker 3: behind jam Or Candelario. But he's not a Red gosh

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Speaker 3: and soon to be Kyle Shwarer. So in terms of

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Speaker 3: money that's guaranteed the Reds players this year, Emilio Pagan

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Speaker 3: is at ten million. Jambers above that, Jambers at sixteen million.

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Speaker 3: Deal that was Hunter Green eight, Key, Brian Hayes seven,

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Speaker 3: Jose Travino five and down down the line.

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Speaker 2: Bengals Bills, Sunday afternoon. It's Thursday. Can we do a

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Speaker 2: little read and react.

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Speaker 3: Let's do some red and react. Still waiting on that.

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Speaker 3: React on the cool sound effects, React for that, react

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Speaker 3: react react Hopefully it sounds nothing like that, but here

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Speaker 3: we go. All right, we've talked about how good the

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Speaker 3: Bengals have been in the month of December. Oh, how

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Speaker 3: about this Joe Burrow Tony has the best career completion

638
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: percentage seventy one point one, pass yards per game two

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Speaker 3: ninety six point zero and passer rating one oh five

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Speaker 3: point four in December or later since the nineteen seventy merger.

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Speaker 3: Wholl Burrow has a seven eighty three win percentage in

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Speaker 3: December or later, the fourth highest of any quarterback since

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Speaker 3: nineteen seventy with at least fifteen such starts. Well, that's

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Speaker 3: seven eighty three. Is gonna have to go to one thousand. Well,

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Speaker 3: it's impossible to get to a thousand if you've already

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Speaker 3: lost one.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna need that all the way up there West.

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Speaker 2: He hasn't lost in December yet this year. I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about this year, this year going forward.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that makes me we're going to be at one hundred.

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Speaker 2: I think it's it's such a testament to Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: and I look back to last year. And that's what

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Speaker 2: makes it even more impressive to me, Austin, is it's

654
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: not like we've seen this Bengals team get to like

655
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: December January and just like be cruising for playoff seating.

656
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: When I think of Joe Burrow and the Bengals. It's

657
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: playing to get into the playoffs, especially last year, and

658
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: that means high leverage, high stakes, high stress games. And

659
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: you're saying he's got the best completion percentage, passing yards

660
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: per game and passer rating in December or later since

661
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy. That speaks to a quarterback who is great

662
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: when his team needs him to be the most. No garbage,

663
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: garbage stats for Joe Burrow. His greatness is on display

664
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: when the team needs it the most.

665
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is, now, this is a this is the statistic,

666
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 3: and I'm also going to quiz you at the end. Okay,

667
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is two to zero against Josh Allen in

668
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: career head to have matchups, including the playoffs. Okay, he's

669
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 3: looking to become the second quarterback to be three and

670
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: oh or better versus Josh Allen. Who is the other

671
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 3: one who is four and oh against Josh Allen. So

672
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: I hear you typing, don't cheat? Well, I was saying,

673
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 3: so this year Josh Allen beat Mahomes, So it can't

674
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 3: be Mahomes, right, It's not Mahomes. This quarterback is four

675
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: and oh.

676
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: Okay all time against Josh Allen looked, I looked at.

677
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: No longer is an active player.

678
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: Mahomes has Allen's beaten Mahomes four out of five in

679
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: the regular season, but has never beat him in the playoffs.

680
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: That's correct.

681
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: Yikes, Oh, man, I don't.

682
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 3: Know Tom Brady four and oh in his career against

683
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, Joe Burrow trying to get to three and oh.

684
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: Now these I mean, it's not like Burrow plays against Allen.

685
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: He plays against the defense of the Bills. Sure, but again,

686
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: I go back to the high leverage, high stress that

687
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow plays with. It seems like you get the

688
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: best Burrow against the best competition. Josh Allen is considered

689
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: one of the best in the league. Last year, he

690
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: was the MVP of the league. I would see this

691
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: Austin as a chance for Joe Burrow to say, hey,

692
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 2: you know what, I know, I missed a lot of

693
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: this year. I know Josh Allen won the MVP last year,

694
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: but let's not forget about me. I think that's what

695
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: he has a chance to do on Sunday.

696
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: Speaking of Josh Allen, Josh has had four home games

697
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 3: with at least two hundred and thirty passing yards and

698
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: has averaged two hundred and seventy six point five passing

699
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: yards at home this season. That's the fourth highest in

700
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: the NFL in twenty twenty five. Okay, Allen's passer rating

701
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 3: of one fifteen point nine win playing at home is

702
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: the second highest among qualified quarterbacks. The Bengals are allowing

703
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty six point eight passing yards per game,

704
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 3: the most in the NFL in twenty twenty five.

705
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 2: Bills have four losses this year. I believe the Patriots

706
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: at the only time they've lost at home. Everything else

707
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: has been on the road. It is just it's different

708
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: in Buffalo. You know, watch it all last week and

709
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: I know it didn't show in Josh Allen's passing stats.

710
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: The wind in the conditions against the Steelers were insane

711
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 2: last week. That's different if you don't play in that

712
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: all the time. I genuinely think that Buffalo has an

713
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: advantage when it comes to home games late in the

714
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: year because of the weather in Orchard Park. Josh Allen

715
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: has managed that for much of his career, and he's

716
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: played in it the most, which I think just gives

717
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: him an unbelievable level of comfort.

718
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: At home.

719
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: Now, when you do have that comfort at home, I

720
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: think a couple things go for it. Won the running

721
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 2: game and James Cook, I think is one of the

722
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: most undervalued running backs in the NFL. He should be

723
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: talked about more for how good he is. And the

724
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: other is a player that was questionable, but this team

725
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: lacks playmakers. Austin Dalton Kin Kate's health is massive for

726
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: Josh Allen because he's such a target for him. But

727
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: it's playing in those elements, being comfortable in them, but

728
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: it's also being able to rely on a running game

729
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: as well.

730
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: In my opinion, Joe Burrow has had thirteen games with

731
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: at least thirty five pass attempts since the start of

732
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: last season, including forty six attempts on Thanksgiving Night against

733
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: the Ravens. Only Patrick Mahomes eighteen and Bo Nicks fourteen

734
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: have had more such games in that span. The Bengals

735
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 3: pass on sixty two point one percent of their plays

736
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five, the fifth highest rate in the NFL.

737
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: I think this is one of the hardest stats to

738
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: judge because we're never going to have an understanding, Austin

739
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: of what plays are actually called a pass out of

740
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: the huddle and what plays are checked two way pass

741
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: or many plays in the NFL you have a run

742
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: pass option tagged, so you've got a running play tag

743
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: but if you get a certain look, you can throw

744
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: the ball out to one of your receivers. I think

745
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: the pass attempts is hard to judge when it comes

746
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 2: to the NFL because you just don't know on every play.

747
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: There's multiple plays called you have checks. Joe Burrow does

748
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: a lot at the line of scrimmage, I think, and

749
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: I'm I'm guilty of it as well. I get caught

750
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: up in it at times. In thirty two and a

751
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: half forty six for a game, the first game back

752
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 2: is a lot. But I do think Joe Burrow plays

753
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: a large role in how many times he throws the

754
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: ball two more.

755
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: James Cook or he is the Bill's running back, ranks

756
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 3: second in the National Football League with twenty eight rushing yards.

757
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: He has already surpassed his previous career high of one

758
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: twenty two rushing yards, which he set in twenty twenty three.

759
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 3: I guess that's really just a fact. I don't know

760
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: that there's much to react to other than he he's

761
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: pretty damn good react to this. The Houston Texans sacked

762
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 3: Josh Allen eight times. They didn't run the ball enough

763
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: last week against the Pittsburgh Steelers. What they do?

764
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: They gave James Cook thirty two carries and he ran

765
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: it for one hundred and forty four yards. And I

766
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: looked at this last night as well. I was talking

767
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: about it. Ray Davis also got nine carries. So the

768
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: game after Josh Allen got sack day times. What was

769
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: Joe Brady's answer? They had fifty one rush attempts against

770
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers for two hundred and forty nine yards

771
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: as a team only drop back to throw at twenty

772
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: three times. I as I said before, I think James

773
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: Cook's one of the most underrated backs in the National

774
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: Football League and I would expect a heavy dose of

775
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: him on Sunday.

776
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 3: Last one. Okay, Jamar Chase needs only twenty nine receiving

777
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 3: yards insane to reach one thousand for the twenty twenty

778
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: five season. Chase would become only the fifth player in

779
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 3: NFL history to have one thousand or more receiving yards

780
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 3: in each of his first five seasons, joining Randy Moss.

781
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson, Mike Evans, and Adriel Jeremiah Green.

782
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: Wow, it's weird because at times I don't even feel

783
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: like he's been as dominant this year, But you look

784
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: at the stats and again he's right there and he's

785
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: done it, and I think it's the biggest testament to him.

786
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: He's done it for a large portion of the year

787
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: without Joe Burrow. He's done it with Jake Browning, he's

788
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: done it with Joe Flacco. And yet you pull up

789
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: the list of leaders in the National Football League, he's

790
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: fourth in receiving yards, fourth in receiving yards, second in receptions.

791
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: He leads all wide receivers. He's only second to Trey

792
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: McBride of the Arizona Cardinals, their tight end. It speaks

793
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: to the greatness of Jamar Chase because he's been able

794
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: to do it without Joe Burrow playing a majority of

795
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: the games.

796
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 3: What I think is interesting about Burrow being back is

797
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 3: we have seen, for the most part in his absence

798
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase kind of work. The short yardage and intermediate yardage.

799
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 3: We saw pretty early on a couple of deep shots

800
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 3: to Jamar Chase with Joe Burrow. So I wonder if

801
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: we'll see more of that now. I don't know if

802
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 3: if the weather's going to allow such plays on Sunday

803
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 3: against Baltimore against Buffalo, but I feel like that's kind

804
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: of part of Jamar that they haven't unlocked yet this

805
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: year is a ton of the deep balls and him

806
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: stretching the field, and hopefully if Higgins is able to

807
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: go that creates he's got a more of an advantage. Yep,

808
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: but I did. I do think that's something we haven't

809
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 3: seen a ton of so far this season.

810
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: Let's finish up the hour when we come back with

811
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: just a few minutes of what Joe Burrow had to

812
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: say yesterday. We'll do that and then we'll turn it

813
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: to John Sharon at one o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty

814
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station.

815
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 3: Welcome back.

816
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: It is since he three to sixty year listening on

817
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 2: this the home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

818
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: Sports Station. John Sheriff made his esports covering the Bengals,

819
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: will join us at one o'clock. Before we get to that,

820
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 2: a lot has been made about the comeback of Joe Burrow.

821
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: We're going to talk to Bob Manjeen later in the

822
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: show about that today and just what goes into the

823
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: comeback from a mental and physical side of things. But

824
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 2: one of the things that has gone into this Joe

825
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: Burrow comeback is that insert that he's wearing in his shoe.

826
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow spoke about this yesterday. Here's what you had

827
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: to say.

828
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 11: What is in your shoe and that's helping you with

829
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 11: your toel?

830
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 5: Exactly?

831
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 12: Carbon fiber plate and custom orthought.

832
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: What how does that help your your toil?

833
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 12: Well, they just can't shoe can't bend it because my

834
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 12: toe can't go backwards right now, still a little early

835
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 12: for that, So just keeps it firm and not bending

836
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 12: it back.

837
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 3: Is it comfortable?

838
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 4: No?

839
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 3: Are you wearing different cleats now than you were before.

840
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 4: Before the injury? Yeah?

841
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 12: Yeah, these are the ones that I feel like give

842
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 12: me enough space and stability to do what I need

843
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 12: to do.

844
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 3: Do you walk around in different shoes just like at home?

845
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 12: At home, I'm just barefoot, but yeah, I try to

846
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 12: be in the cleats as little as possible.

847
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 10: Did you settle on the sneakers being like the swapping

848
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 10: out and kinda why didn't you figure out that was

849
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 10: a good solution for you on the sideline.

850
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 12: Well, I take it off throughout practice every now and

851
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 12: then just to let it breathe and let it relax

852
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 12: a little bit. And these are what I put on,

853
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 12: So I figured I'd just keep it the same.

854
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 11: Whether obviously it was cold in Baltimore, but it's supposed

855
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 11: to be like really cold in Buffalo. Does that impact

856
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 11: the shoe work and what's in it and your toe

857
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 11: at all or not?

858
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 4: Really?

859
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 5: We shouldn't.

860
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 3: How difficult was it to get used to the insert.

861
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 13: It was certainly a process to figure out what worked

862
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 13: best for me and what was most comfortable and at

863
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 13: the same time safe. But we we worked through that

864
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 13: and a lot of different people were involved and we

865
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 13: got the right.

866
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 14: Stuff on there.

867
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Speaker 3: So that is what Joe Burr had to say.

868
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Speaker 2: Obviously it's not comfortable, or else you wouldn't be changing

869
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: in and wearing shoes on the uh on the sideline.

870
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: But a little as to go as it's not just

871
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: showing up in the Cleatson and plane. There's a lot

872
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: that is going into Joe Burrow and his availability to

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Speaker 2: get back and play for this team. Good insight there.

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Speaker 2: Also loved his insight on Lane Kiffin because he didn't

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Speaker 2: really have much to say about Lane Kiffin.

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Speaker 3: He's a good coach, a good coach.

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Speaker 2: Didn't know much about the process. I could have filled

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Speaker 2: of that. John Cheron will fill us in on the

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Speaker 2: now hour two to get things underway. From A to

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Speaker 2: Z Sports covering the Cincinnati Bengals is John Sheeran, what's up, John,

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 7: I'm doing well, man.

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Speaker 16: I'm a little nervous that I'm bad luck because I

899
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Speaker 16: wasn't on last week, and of course the Bendals won

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Speaker 16: by a lot, but I'm happy to be back.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Not being on last week, you obviously had a chance

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Speaker 2: to sit down on the holiday and watch what unfolded.

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Speaker 2: What were your biggest takeaways Being able to watch Joe

905
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Speaker 2: Burrow on Thanksgiving night?

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Speaker 16: My biggest takeaway It really began on that horrendous low

907
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Speaker 16: red zone sequence of events in which he was an

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Speaker 16: empty and I'm like, oh, even when Burrow is back

909
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Speaker 16: and the rest isn't fully shaken off yet, he's still

910
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Speaker 16: required to be Superman out there, which is a little

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Speaker 16: bit annoying from a from a viewer standpoint. But once

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Speaker 16: since he were, you know, firmly under him and you

913
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Speaker 16: stopped really like forcing a lot of those throws. In

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Speaker 16: the first half, he looked like himself, and that was

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Speaker 16: very reminiscent, I believe of like a couple of years

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Speaker 16: ago when he faced the Ravens again in week two

917
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Speaker 16: when he was dealing with a calf and his first

918
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Speaker 16: half was also a little bit rusty, and then he

919
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Speaker 16: just started to come alive again.

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Speaker 7: And fortunately this time the Bengals ended up winning.

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Speaker 16: Because he had a lot of help from the defense

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Speaker 16: with five turnovers. But I mean, this is pretty normal

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Speaker 16: for him against the Ravens defense post Mike McDonald when

924
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Speaker 16: he left for the Seahawks job a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 7: He's always been able to carve them up.

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Speaker 16: And the offensive line gave him a ton of time

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Speaker 16: to just you survey the field and just make the

928
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Speaker 16: throws that were always accustomed to seeing him when he's

929
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Speaker 16: at his best, and right now it's you know, it's December.

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Speaker 16: This is when Burrow plays his best, and it was

931
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Speaker 16: really promising to see that accuracy not go away despite

932
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Speaker 16: all the rust of taking two months off with his injury.

933
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Speaker 2: The help that he was able to get around him,

934
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Speaker 2: He finds nine different receivers. The running game got going.

935
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Speaker 2: The offensive line. I feel like we haven't talked as

936
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Speaker 2: much about the offensive line. How much of an improvement

937
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Speaker 2: have you seen from that group?

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Speaker 7: It's been night and day.

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Speaker 16: I think long the interior you have doing the fairchild

940
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Speaker 16: playing I think above what you would expect a rookie

941
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Speaker 16: third round pick to play. At the power of his

942
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Speaker 16: game and pass protection is so notable. Dolon Riser has

943
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Speaker 16: been doing this for a long time and that was

944
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Speaker 16: the expectation when when he signed. Yeah, it makes sense

945
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Speaker 16: why he wasn't necessarily at his best when he was

946
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Speaker 16: first year and he only had like a couple weeks

947
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Speaker 16: of actual practice experience for the entire offseason. But now

948
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Speaker 16: that you know he's in full game shape and everything

949
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Speaker 16: like that, he does look like the better option compared

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Speaker 16: to Jalen Rivers who was out there for the majority

951
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Speaker 16: of the season.

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Speaker 7: And Rivers, again, this is the rookie.

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Speaker 16: You don't expect that much of him, but this is

954
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Speaker 16: definitely their best interior trio that they've had in quite

955
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Speaker 16: some time. And the fact that Mariusmims continues to be

956
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Speaker 16: a solid player right tackle Wellnonda Brown Junior does have

957
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Speaker 16: his mishaps every now and then with speed on the outside,

958
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Speaker 16: but when he's playing well, the entire unit looks like

959
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Speaker 16: the best offensive line that Burrow has ever had, really

960
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Speaker 16: going back to I would say even his college days.

961
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Speaker 16: I think even at LSU, like his offensive line was

962
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Speaker 16: never as good as people tauted to that. So he

963
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Speaker 16: now has the opportunity to do all the special things

964
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Speaker 16: the borrow can do in terms of extending plays and

965
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Speaker 16: creating out of structure. But when he does have to

966
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Speaker 16: just stay in the pocket and surveyed the field, I

967
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Speaker 16: think this offense line givesn't the chance.

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Speaker 4: To do that.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the defense, John, I'm curious if you look

970
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Speaker 2: back to the Pittsburgh game, the Steelers scored two defensive touchdowns.

971
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Speaker 2: I thought the defense played better. I certainly think they

972
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Speaker 2: had a winning performance against the Patriots, and they did

973
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Speaker 2: well again against the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 3: Are we are we.

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Speaker 2: Ready to turn the page that the defense is improving

976
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Speaker 2: or do you still want to see more?

977
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Speaker 3: And if so, what do you want to see?

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Speaker 16: It is improving just because what have we talked about

979
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Speaker 16: for twelve weeks now, it's all relying on the pass rush.

980
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Speaker 16: It's all relying on guys who have been dependent on

981
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Speaker 16: this year. When they didn't go out and make other

982
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 16: moves to bolster the union, they relied on the development

983
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Speaker 16: of Miles Murphy just.

984
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Speaker 7: To the side Chris Jenkins.

985
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Speaker 16: Specifically, those three guys in the early parts of their careers,

986
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Speaker 16: they played the most pass rushing snaps against the Ravens,

987
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Speaker 16: and they all had high level performances. Yes, they didn't

988
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 16: always finish at Lamar Jackson, but they disrupted plays and

989
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 16: they forced bad mistakes out of him unfortunately, Like sometimes

990
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 16: they're gonna be wacky games like that, right. The Bengals

991
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 16: just experience went against the Vikings back in September, which

992
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 16: they turned the ball over five times. You know, not

993
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 16: always expecting to force five turnovers. But when you can

994
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 16: create disruption, muddy the pocket a little bit, force aaron decisions,

995
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 16: forced fumbles, whatever the case may be. Jenkins, Osai, and

996
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 16: Murphy all did that, and Murphy's kind of been on

997
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Speaker 16: this track for the last.

998
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 7: Handful of weeks.

999
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 16: I think his ability to push the pocket as a

1000
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Speaker 16: power rusher and to disengage at the right time that

1001
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Speaker 16: has definitely improved.

1002
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Speaker 7: Osaia is probably.

1003
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Speaker 16: Their best overall pass rusher with Autree Hendrickson out there,

1004
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Speaker 16: but the jump from Chris Jenkins specifically in this game

1005
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 16: was maybe the most promising because they haven't really had

1006
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Speaker 16: that boost from an interior rusher quite some time, and

1007
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Speaker 16: I'm still not sure if Jenkins is quite that player

1008
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Speaker 16: just yet. I think he had a really good week,

1009
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Speaker 16: but you do need to see more of that, But

1010
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Speaker 16: with a can have multiple pass rushers who can contribute

1011
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Speaker 16: with like a fifteen to twenty percent win as a

1012
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 16: pass rusher, that just does so much for the rest

1013
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 16: of your defense and it makes everything else go and sink.

1014
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 16: So this is what they've been missing for for the

1015
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 16: first eight nine weeks of the season and the getting

1016
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Speaker 16: some of that now.

1017
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: Do you think there's a value with Trey Hendrickson and

1018
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: Shamar Stewart not playing that Miles Murphy and Josephosai have

1019
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 2: taken this jump more practice reps. We know how important

1020
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 2: those are that they're not rotating through in the course

1021
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 2: of a game. Do you find a correlation between the

1022
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: other two defensive ends not playing and the production we're

1023
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: seeing for Miles Murphy and Josephosai.

1024
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Speaker 7: It's certainly possible.

1025
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 16: You know, like Murphy, this is this is his third

1026
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 16: year and he's never really been thrust it into this

1027
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 16: important of a role before. Like we kind of wanted

1028
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 16: it to happen last year when Sam however, was experiencing

1029
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 16: his decline and he got some more opportunities along with

1030
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 16: Joseph Asais. So I think obviously them being in the

1031
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 16: spotlight them getting all the starter reps, that definitely helps,

1032
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 16: but you still have to go out there and perform, right,

1033
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 16: and that just wasn't happening in the early parts of

1034
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 16: the season, even with Stewart was healthy, Right, I think

1035
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 16: Murphy and Osi were still, you know, at at the

1036
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 16: very least equals.

1037
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 7: Along with him in the rotation.

1038
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Speaker 16: So they're just running with the opportunity now, and sometimes

1039
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 16: it just takes a little bit longer for some of

1040
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 16: these guys to click. And even if Murphy is not

1041
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 16: necessarily going to be a ten sac of year type

1042
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 16: of guy for a first round thick, I think he's

1043
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 16: still showing the value that you would have expected for

1044
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 16: who the player that he was coming out of college.

1045
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 2: Do we need to have a Trey Hendrickson conversation? Do

1046
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: you do you find it just at all odd? We've

1047
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: talked about on this show in Austin. I think has

1048
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: made the point if if the injury was as serious

1049
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 2: at the outset for Trey Hendrickson, would the Bengals have

1050
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: just put him on IR at that point? Do you

1051
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 2: find how this situation is being handled and how blunt

1052
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor is each and every Monday that he's doubtful. Again,

1053
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: do you find this situation odd?

1054
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 16: It's definitely odd compared to how you know, these situations.

1055
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 7: Normally go about. And when the wording is like.

1056
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 16: That, when the messaging is like that, and considering the

1057
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 16: history there, it all raises, you know, very, at the

1058
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 16: very least minor red flags. I think this could be

1059
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 16: a situation in which he aggravated the injury. It made

1060
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 16: it a little bit worse, obviously than now. There's the

1061
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 16: pelvis classification along with the hip. It's a core muscle injury,

1062
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 16: probably going to require surgery in the offseason. Right, So

1063
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 16: there's all this new that's come out about it, and

1064
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 16: it's possible that the Bengals didn't think it was as

1065
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 16: serious as it is, and that's why he hasn't been

1066
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 16: on IR. He's still on the active roster and they

1067
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 16: haven't cleared that roster spot up for him. Obviously, with

1068
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 16: a guy like Dramder, if he's healthy, you want him

1069
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 16: out there as soon as possible, and I think they've

1070
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Speaker 16: always kept that door open just in case.

1071
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Speaker 7: He's able to come back.

1072
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 16: I think there's probably some frustration with it not healing

1073
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 16: the way that they expected it to and it could

1074
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 16: just be they miscalculated.

1075
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Speaker 7: In that regard.

1076
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Speaker 16: Again, we don't know nearly enough details to make any

1077
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 16: conclusions about this. It's all, unfortunately speculation, and considering who

1078
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 16: the subject is, he's been in the spotlight all year

1079
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Speaker 16: and not for the not for the best reasons.

1080
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Speaker 7: So I think it's.

1081
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Speaker 16: Rather unfortunate that it's got to this point. But I

1082
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Speaker 16: don't know if we can go as far as to

1083
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Speaker 16: say that there's anything the fairies here. It's just a

1084
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Speaker 16: lot of speculation and unfortunate, a lot of unknowns because

1085
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 16: unfortunately for them that they just didn't expect it to

1086
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 16: get worse and unfortunately just not at the point where

1087
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Speaker 16: he can play.

1088
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Speaker 3: John The Buffalo Bills have the best rushing offense in

1089
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 3: the NFL. Why are they so good? And how do

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Speaker 3: you expect them to attack the Bengals with that rushing

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Speaker 3: game on Sunday?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean it was so dominant against the Steelers

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00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 16: that TJ. Watt joke that they ran the same play

1094
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Speaker 16: of thirty times, and it kind of wasn't really joking, right,

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Speaker 16: It was just inside zone after inside zone after inside zone.

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Speaker 16: That offensive line has always been comprised of pretty good athletes.

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Speaker 16: Who can displace guys, and when they're all in sync,

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Speaker 16: even without their two starting tackles like that, they were

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Speaker 16: able to, you know, clear the edges for James Cook

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Speaker 16: to bounce outside. And I think part of that is

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Speaker 16: also not just with the offensive line. They're getting a

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Speaker 16: lot of help from their tight ends. To rookie Jackson

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Speaker 16: Hawes has been phenomenal, not not for beyond just receiving

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Speaker 16: reasons right like he's getting his nose dirty and he's

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Speaker 16: clearing out the edge. And James Cook has phenomenal vision

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Speaker 16: for these cutback lanes and he's an explosive runner as well.

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Speaker 16: So when you combine an offensive line that's always in sync,

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Speaker 16: it's always that it can always really out athlete the

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Speaker 16: opposing defensive line clear space for a running back that

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Speaker 16: just knows where to go with the ball. It has

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Speaker 16: really good vision and explosion to his game. That's how

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Speaker 16: you get not only a successful run game, clostup one game.

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Speaker 16: They can really open a game for you.

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Speaker 3: They also use their tight ends very well. Have you

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Speaker 3: seen any differences in the way the Bengals have kind

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00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 3: of been defending tight ends because for years they haven't

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00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 3: been able to cover them. They did give up a

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Speaker 3: big one to Isaiah likely that they had a good

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Speaker 3: hustle play on on Thursday night. How do you expect

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Speaker 3: the Bengals to try to prevent the Bill's tight ends

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Speaker 3: from beating them?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean that's that's something that I expect is

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Speaker 16: not necessarily going to be of strength of the Bengals

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Speaker 16: in this week. I was expecting Mark Gaers that have

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Speaker 16: a little bit better of the game last week, and

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Speaker 16: of course he got an extension this week. Dalton Kincaid

1127
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 16: is their second leading receiver, but he's not just he's

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Speaker 16: he's just a tight end and name only right, he's

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Speaker 16: basically in the slide like Mike Esecki out there, and

1130
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Speaker 16: the middle of the field has been mostly compromised for

1131
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 16: this Bengals defense. And it's not something I expect Berek Carter,

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Speaker 16: Tom just Night to be, you know, on top of

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Speaker 16: necessarily this week. It's gonna have to be continue to

1134
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Speaker 16: be a work in progress. But you know, Alan Josh

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00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 16: Allen is always on the same page with those guys,

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Speaker 16: and they find the vacancies in the soft spots in

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Speaker 16: the zones, and that's gonna be something like where like

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Speaker 16: you have to be able to disrupt these guys at

1139
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 16: the line of scrimmage, to force them off of their

1140
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 16: timing and have to force Allan into making some bad decisions.

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Speaker 16: But you know, Kincage's been reliable for them. I think

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Speaker 16: he's on the injury report, but he should be able

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00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 16: to play this week and that'll be a very important

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Speaker 16: figure for the Bengals to stop.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting John the split between Chase

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00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 3: Brown and some Aj p Ryan in Baltimore. Do you

1147
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Speaker 3: think that's just short week give Chase Brown a little

1148
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 3: bit of rest in the run game, or do you

1149
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 3: think we'll see that continue over the course of the

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00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 3: end of the season.

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Speaker 16: I think there's gonna be always opportunities for p Ryan

1152
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 16: to give him a little bit of a break, but

1153
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 16: also for his value and pass protection as well, and

1154
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 16: we saw that definitely on the touchdown andre Yosavaj Pieran

1155
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 16: doesn't pick up that block on the opposite side of Burrow,

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Speaker 16: that play does not happen, right. And I think as

1157
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 16: long as Peterran is healthy, he's the trusted guy to

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00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 16: be on the field in those situations.

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Speaker 7: And I think with the way the game script.

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Speaker 16: Played out, or at least for how much Burrow checked

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Speaker 16: into those pass plays and how much they rely on

1162
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Speaker 16: his arm to outscore Baltimore. That's why Ryan was on

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Speaker 16: the field for as much as he was. But there's

1164
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Speaker 16: always going to be opportunities for him to run the.

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Speaker 7: Ball as well and to not overload Chase Brown.

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Speaker 16: Despite how productor Chase Brown has been, He's going to

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Speaker 16: get his opportunities. But Pi Terran definitely still has value

1168
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Speaker 16: there and they definitely recognize that.

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Speaker 2: If T Higgins is able to continue on his progression

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Speaker 2: and getting back to this team. How do you view

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Speaker 2: you know, Joe Burrow's ability to spread the ball around

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Speaker 2: it, It's always something I've been in all of Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 2: He found nine different targets. How much more difficult does

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Speaker 2: life become for the Buffalo Bills if you can get

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Speaker 2: T Higgins healthy and playing on Sunday?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I think the Bills their cornerbacks are are an

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Speaker 16: area in which the Bengals have a definite advantage of

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Speaker 16: this one like their safety has always been good with

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Speaker 16: Ployer and now a second year player Cole Bishop I

1180
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Speaker 16: believe is his name back there, So their safeties are

1181
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Speaker 16: good and they can cause some confusion in the priest

1182
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Speaker 16: net phase. But you will always take Jamar Chase and

1183
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 16: T Higgins over you know, true Davious White, Brent Fripp,

1184
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Speaker 16: I'm blanking on his first name, but you know, like

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Speaker 16: the Bengals did do have the advantage there, and I

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Speaker 16: think in games like this, like you never really know

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Speaker 16: if Chase or Higgins is gonna go off. If that is,

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Speaker 16: if Higgins plays. I remember back in twenty twenty three

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Speaker 16: it was Tea's big game which he had one hundred

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Speaker 16: and ten receiving yards against the Bills. He had the

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Speaker 16: spotlight and then Chase obviously, you know, dominating games after.

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Speaker 3: That as well.

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Speaker 16: So like it could just be a picker poison such situation.

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Speaker 16: That's the beauty of the Bengals offense, and that's how

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00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 16: they're at their peak. When all three guys are out

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00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 16: there playing at their best. Burrow knows where to go

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Speaker 16: with the ball, and when he sees one on one

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Speaker 16: opportunity with either of them, it's not going to be

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Speaker 16: about all this guy's getting paid more money than this guy. No,

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Speaker 16: if the opportunity is there and the matchup is right,

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00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 16: he's going to whichever guy is the best. And that's

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Speaker 16: how you get the ball being spread around as much

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Speaker 16: as the as it does with Burrow at the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: John, how do you view this season up to this point.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's the most optimistic I've seen a

1206
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 2: team for being four and eight on the year, and

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00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 2: rightfully so with Joe Burrow coming back. But there were

1208
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: a lot of issues that we have discussed with this

1209
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: team throughout the course of the season, and yes, a

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00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 2: one game sample size against Baltimore helps to kind of

1211
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 2: of moved past what those issues were. But how important

1212
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: now does the final stretch become Everyone wants to say, Okay,

1213
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 2: went out and get into the playoffs. What is your

1214
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 2: realistic vision for how this season plays out?

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Speaker 16: I think this is still at the end of the day,

1216
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 16: it's still a very flawed team that has major issues

1217
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 16: to work out in the offseason. But I think as

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00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 16: this season has unfolded, you've seen just everywhere in the

1219
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 16: league there are cracks with some of the best teams,

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Speaker 16: and there's going to be flawed teams in the playoffs,

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Speaker 16: and I think that's somewhat of a source of optimism

1222
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 16: right now, in which the Bengals definitely have taken their

1223
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 16: bumps and bruises along the way, the fact that they've

1224
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 16: been in the situation before and we're able to do

1225
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 16: what they could to win out and give themselves a

1226
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Speaker 16: chance in the playoffs. I think it does give them

1227
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Speaker 16: a little bit of confidence as well, which is why again,

1228
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 16: like you don't want to be in the situation, but

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00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 16: the Bengals, unfortunately do find themselves in the situation where

1230
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Speaker 16: than most of the teams, and that's why like, oh,

1231
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 16: we've been here before, we can control we control the

1232
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 16: old you know, the the cliches and whatnot. But no,

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00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 16: I think right now you have confidence in this offense

1234
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 16: producing with Burrow playing the way that he does, and

1235
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 16: if the defense can continue continue to be opportunistic with

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00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 16: the pass rust that it is now found.

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Speaker 7: There isn't a game that you feel like.

1238
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 16: They're going to be completely outmatched and give you hope

1239
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 16: that you can just win out and find a way

1240
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 16: to do this and if you get some help along

1241
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 16: the way from the Steelers and Ravens losing out. So

1242
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 16: confidence I think is definitely higher than it was a

1243
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 16: week or two ago. But this is still a flawed

1244
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 16: team that just needs to be in the same company

1245
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Speaker 16: as other flawed teams.

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Speaker 7: When January comes.

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Speaker 3: Around before I let you go.

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Speaker 2: John, we didn't get to talked last week, so you

1249
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: speak of confidence in winding down the season. Not a

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00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: great end of the season for our UC football Bearcats

1251
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: who lose four in a row after getting to seven

1252
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Speaker 2: and one. How do you view as a fan of

1253
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 2: the Bearcats, how do you view this year's football season?

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00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 16: You know, Penn State still looking for a head coach,

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00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 16: and one in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 7: I think that would be you know, I'm just kidding.

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00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 16: Yeah, it sucks not being both a second half of

1258
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 16: the season team and not being the second half of

1259
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 16: the game team. That's unfortunately the UC Bearcuts football program.

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Speaker 16: At the moment, I'm pretty much over the season. I'm

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Speaker 16: still I'm just on myll eyes on tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: I'm the harvoid.

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00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 3: Are you excited about it?

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00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 4: Or are you? Are you?

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00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 3: Are you cautiously?

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00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 4: Do you?

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Speaker 7: I just give you this game, Just give me this game.

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Speaker 16: I have no confidence in the season of other than this.

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Speaker 16: This is like my ohigho sted Michigan moment, right, I

1270
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 16: don't care about the rest of the season.

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00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 7: Just give me, Just give me a win over Saver

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Speaker 7: and I'll be content there.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: That is John Sharon aes E Sports covering the Bengals, John,

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Speaker 2: what's easiest way to follow along with everything you got

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Speaker 2: going on with the Bengals as they look to continue

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Speaker 2: this run.

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Speaker 16: Absolutely, it's December football. It's when the Bengals somehow play

1279
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 16: their best, and it's when we're on firing on all

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Speaker 16: cylinders as well. Adsea Sports dot Com, Backslash Cincinnati, YouTube, Instagram, TikTok,

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Speaker 16: their eight Dies Sports Cincinnati follow as along for the

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Speaker 16: final five weeks.

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Speaker 3: Much much appreciated, John, We'll talk again next week.

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Speaker 7: Thanks fellas.

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Speaker 2: There he is, John, Sharon a is E Sports love

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Speaker 14: Christmas pains, putting up Christmas lights, writing out Christmas cards,

1304
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 14: or Christmas shopping at the mall.

1305
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 2: You know, I enjoy the throwback nature of Christmas shopping

1306
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 2: at the mall. I don't do it a lot, but

1307
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,439
Speaker 2: every Christmas year, once or twice a year, I'll head

1308
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 2: to the mall and do some vintage Christmas shopping where

1309
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 2: I can actually see what I'm buying, not just order

1310
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 2: everything online. I like that aspect of Christmas. I also

1311
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 2: like the aspect of putting up Christmas lights, so I'm

1312
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: not benching any of them except Christmas cards, because we.

1313
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 3: Really can you just like answer the question the way

1314
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 3: it's asked. Start bench cut, No, I start both. You

1315
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 3: are a gutless individual. I start both. I'll cut Christmas cards,

1316
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 3: I'll start Christmas shopping. I love doing that. I'll bench

1317
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 3: Christmas lights. I don't know the last time I put

1318
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 3: up Christmas lights French. Well, I don't have a home. Yeah,

1319
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 3: I mean I put up my tree. I like doing

1320
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 3: that and writing out Christmas cards. I don't think I've

1321
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 3: ever done that much. Yeah, we don't do that.

1322
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, Jeff and your Richmond. Happy Thursday.

1323
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 4: Sudy.

1324
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Speaker 9: First of all, want to wish Evan Dryer and his

1325
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 9: Anderson Rafters' best wishes tonight. Let's all the state finals

1326
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 9: up in Canton. And then, Tony, I wanted to ask you,

1327
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 9: if you were to set the line on the Crosstown

1328
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 9: shootout tomorrow night, what do you think a reasonable line

1329
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 9: would be for the game? Take care?

1330
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 2: I think Vegas wise like you see minus two and

1331
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 2: a half, minus three and a half if I were setting

1332
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 2: the line, and behavior minus about eight and a half.

1333
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 5: Hello, this is former President Ron Old Reagan. And well,

1334
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 5: I know in all the years that I've known Nancy,

1335
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,919
Speaker 5: we've never had an argument. Not true, Ron, Not come

1336
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 5: on now, not true.

1337
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 3: Gotta go? Thank you? M lying right there, man.

1338
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 19: Well, Travis says he's ever had an argument with Taylor. Well,

1339
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 19: I guess I can buy that. At the moment he does,

1340
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 19: she'd probably break up with him. Then he had to

1341
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 19: deal for about one hundred breakup songs about him.

1342
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 4: My wife and I.

1343
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 7: We celebrated twenty years together yesterday.

1344
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 5: Wow.

1345
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 4: And I could say, yeah, we've.

1346
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 19: Had some arguments, We've had some disagreements, but fellas the center.

1347
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 19: You fired out that she is always right and if

1348
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 19: Mama ain't happy, nobody is. I tell you life, it's

1349
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 19: a whole lot easier.

1350
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 3: That's right, makes it easy.

1351
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 20: What's up, guys, Swam from the Heights? So already at

1352
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 20: the beginning of the show.

1353
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 3: What did you just call me?

1354
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 4: Man?

1355
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 3: Replay that? Do he call me already? I think? So?

1356
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 3: What's up?

1357
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 20: Guys, swum from the Heights? So already at the beginning

1358
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 20: of the show. I think the video story you might

1359
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 20: be talking about that was in Red and Black. It's

1360
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 20: family video if I'm not mistaken from back in the day.

1361
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 3: But I like your guys prediction.

1362
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 20: Sit or who will win tonight between my cowboys and Alliance?

1363
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 20: And also whoever loses? Do you think they're out the

1364
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 20: playoff picture? Or they might still have a fighting chance.

1365
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 2: Based on how the NFC is, it might be an

1366
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 2: elimination game tonight. I like the I like the Lions

1367
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 2: at Home.

1368
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,479
Speaker 3: I just looked it up. Movie Gallery. Do you remember

1369
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 3: Movie Gallery? I do? Yeah, that's what it was. Not

1370
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 3: family video, But do I do? Thank you for that.

1371
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 3: Jo answered the question Dallas or Detroit. I'm sorry I

1372
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 3: was looking that up. What did he ask? Who will

1373
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 3: win tonight? Wins tonight and it's an elimination game from

1374
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 3: the team that loses. Yes, it is an elimination game

1375
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 3: for the team that loses. I want Detroit to win.

1376
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 3: I almost always pick the home team. Yeah, but I

1377
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 3: think they're in trouble. Man, I want Detroit as well.

1378
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 3: I think I think Dallas is gonna win that game.

1379
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 21: Yeah, like I said a thousand times, let's get Kenny

1380
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,479
Speaker 21: Anderson in the Hall offense. I'll tell you the Bills game,

1381
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 21: you just gotta stop James cook Man. Their receivers ain't

1382
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 21: that good. They can't stop the run. I'd like to

1383
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 21: see the Bengals run the hell out of the ball

1384
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 21: the Sunday. Stop James cook Let's get.

1385
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 3: A w stop the run. Can't stop the run.

1386
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 22: We'll tell guys big to hoone in Kentucky, they say

1387
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 22: Cooper Flag ain't nothing but another Brent Berry. And then

1388
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 22: what about this guy he hired as a football coach.

1389
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 22: He refers to himself as will Stein in the press conference,

1390
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 22: calls himself in third person says, who wouldn't want to

1391
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 22: play for will Stein right now? Well, dude, you took

1392
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 22: over an Oregon's quarterback coach, and you had transferred quarterbacks

1393
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 22: who already established.

1394
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 3: Don't think you were the one that developed them.

1395
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 22: Organ's been good since nineteen ninety four when Rich Brooks

1396
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 22: took them to the Rose Bowl and that Penn's eighteen

1397
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 22: was phenomenal. They were by far the best team in

1398
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 22: the country that year. If I say something I said.

1399
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 2: It's interesting will Stein becomes the coach, but he's not

1400
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 2: the most popular will Stein that Kentucky said. That would

1401
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 2: be Willie Caley Stein. What's he doing these days?

1402
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 3: Uh that, I don't know. I thought he'd be better

1403
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 3: in the NBA. I did too with Big Willie. You know,

1404
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 3: I don't think we've ever approached this topic before. But

1405
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 3: there's another famous Tony Pike. Really yeah, who's that? I

1406
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 3: don't know if I can Uh. Oh, that makes me nervous.

1407
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 3: I think he was like who, I don't know who'll

1408
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 3: describe it?

1409
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 18: Uh?

1410
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 3: Hold on, let me see?

1411
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:43,919
Speaker 22: Uh yeah, hold on, this is sorry for the double.

1412
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 22: Do they say he's got this quarterback from Cow already

1413
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 22: coming with him, who was arguably the top freshman quarterback

1414
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 22: in the country last year. But you know he went

1415
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 22: to Oregon and the transport out because he couldn't beat

1416
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 22: Out and Dante more. Will he take credit for developing

1417
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 22: him even though he was a cow already let him

1418
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 22: like this coach already represented the Bluegras state. But I

1419
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 22: bet you one thing. I bet this guy will Stein.

1420
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 22: I bet he lets his players call him will or Stanny.

1421
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 22: I bet he don't make him call him coach will Astani.

1422
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 3: Tony Pike, who was a hotelier. What I guess he

1423
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 3: was a hotel owner. Okay, he was a legend in Ibiza.

1424
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 2: Really yeah, well, I mean Mike Poser, I took a

1425
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 2: pill and a beza as one of my jams.

1426
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 3: I took a pill and he was Okay, this isn't

1427
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 3: as bad as I thought. He epitomized the hedonism of

1428
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 3: the holiday clubbing island Ibiza. Okay, So I guess he

1429
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 3: was a good guy. But he was a fun time.

1430
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 3: He was described by the Guardian as a ring master

1431
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 3: for thirty years of celebrity debauchery. Oh he was like

1432
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 3: he's always like he was like he was the Ibiza

1433
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 3: version of who's that guy who had the mansion? The

1434
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 3: playboy mansion, Hugh Hefner, Hugh Hefner. I just googled Tony

1435
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 3: Pike Abiza. Yeah, and this quote popped up. I used

1436
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 3: to have fantasies, but not anymore. I've done them all. Yeah, Okay,

1437
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,759
Speaker 3: I think he's like first team all part of your Okay, Tony,

1438
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 3: you've never heard of this guy before. You never googled yourself,

1439
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 3: and this dude showed up. No, ha, some shirt.

1440
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,719
Speaker 4: I've seen reports that your boy Jesus coming back?

1441
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 5: Is that true? It won't matter, go muskys.

1442
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 2: I have been told by credible sources that Gisel James

1443
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 2: will not play for the Bearcats this year, so also

1444
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 2: after January first. It's a great question. Also, I know nothing.

1445
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 23: Uh huh.

1446
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm definitely listening and I'm definitely watching.

1447
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 23: And I knew I was right repping the city out

1448
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 23: here in sunny hot Zona.

1449
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:49,679
Speaker 4: What up, Tony?

1450
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 5: What up?

1451
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 3: Buddy man?

1452
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 23: I listened to the Bill's radio station, the YouTube and

1453
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 23: a podcast. The fan base sound nervous, worried, shook, Like

1454
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 23: I said, they're scared, they're shaking.

1455
01:08:59,000 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 3: Any Billy Boots.

1456
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 23: We coming JB nine three touchdowns, Bengos thirty five to twenty.

1457
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 23: We getting them boys up there in Buffalo. I'm hoping

1458
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 23: to see a sentiny crowd up there, Yo, Wes get

1459
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 23: the win by ten man.

1460
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 3: Pressures on. Let's get it, darn right, the pressures on.

1461
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 23: My keys to the shootout back again for a double up.

1462
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 23: First things first, con Cincinnati hit free throws. I mean,

1463
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 23: that's the main problem right there. They leaving points on

1464
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 23: the court.

1465
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 3: Basically, gotta hit these free throws.

1466
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 23: Xavier is young, inexperience. Put some pressure on these boys.

1467
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 23: You gotta create turnovers against Xavier, and Zavier's gonna shoot

1468
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 23: a lot of threes. Whoever hit the most threes between

1469
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 23: these teams will definitely win because you see has a

1470
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 23: turnover problem. Those are my keys and Wes. Do not

1471
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 23: get our Coach Barbatino, I'm definitely watching that.

1472
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 18: He There too many toe questions, Tony and Austin. I've

1473
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 18: got a question for you guys about Joe Burrow.

1474
01:09:58,439 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 7: I heard you saying he's.

1475
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 18: The asked in December, But would you rather take him

1476
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 18: in December or Toyota Thon Jordan Love.

1477
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 3: You know that's a great point. Actually, I saved a

1478
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 3: post about this. Did you see this? These stats? Jordan

1479
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,719
Speaker 3: Love in his career during Toyota than No. Ninety one

1480
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 3: point nine passing grade. That's the best. Four thousand passing yards,

1481
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 3: thirty three touchdowns, one interception. Wow, in a league leading

1482
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 3: thirty one deep completions. Man, shout out to Toyota than

1483
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 3: I'll take Joe Burrow. That's insane.

1484
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 4: David with your daily reminder. Eight thousand, seven and forty

1485
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 4: seven days the Bearcats.

1486
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 3: That is an incredible number. We got to get a

1487
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 3: new microphone. That's at it's over eight thousand days. Yeah,

1488
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 3: twenty two thousand and one.

1489
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 4: Right, we're here, live on scene. Chris Henry Jr. About

1490
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 4: to make his announcement school he will to take Oh no,

1491
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 4: and here comes the quarters in it's down and the

1492
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 4: return to glory. Chris Henry Jr. Is signing with the

1493
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 4: Michigan Wolverines. I can't believe it.

1494
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,600
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.

1495
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 2: I don't think that's happening. You're sick and twisted. Chris

1496
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 2: Henry Junior gonna end up.

1497
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I would guess either USC or Ohio State.

1498
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 3: That would be my guest. I heard this morning that

1499
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 3: Ohio State expects him to make a decision by Friday.

1500
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 2: Where's jerema Uh? Where Jeremiah Smith gonna go? Go back

1501
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 2: to Columbus? Do you see Jeremia You hear what Jeremiah

1502
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 2: Smith said? I just saw he tweets was tweeted at

1503
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 2: Chris Henry and said we need you. I just saw

1504
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 2: he tweeted today with like the praying hand emosiu. I'm thinking, like, man,

1505
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 2: is he thinking about going to South Florida? Do you

1506
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,520
Speaker 2: ever look at his tweets? A lot of praying hand emojis?

1507
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 2: Toe Higgins just posted a Bible verse. You want to

1508
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 2: we can have church in here. Let's go take me

1509
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 2: to church?

1510
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 4: Oh my god, new call sign ESPN fifteen thirty. Since

1511
01:11:55,400 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 4: he three sixty with your party and Antonio weekday, he's

1512
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 4: twelve to three.

1513
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 2: Ay and Anthony tune in. I might work already and

1514
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 2: Anthony's not bad Artian Anthony.

1515
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 24: Hey, fellow, this is George Bayley have Bedford Falls. I'd

1516
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 24: like to tell you that I learned from my old

1517
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 24: friend Clarence. Every time a bell rings, Joe Burrow beats

1518
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 24: Josh Allen in a football game, there's a lot of

1519
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 24: bells ringing around here lately. Come on, Oh, well, have

1520
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 24: a good one, fella.

1521
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 3: Come on? Is that? Come on?

1522
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1523
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 4: What comes up if you google Artie Elmore?

1524
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 3: Well, let me see uh Arthur Elmore Bostwick. Oh, the

1525
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 3: United States Librarian and Arthur an author, Not Arthur Well,

1526
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 3: he was Arthur Uh from Connecticut. Okay, Uh, that's all

1527
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 3: I see. Family history Artie Elmore.

1528
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 4: Uh.

1529
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 3: The only person who's ever called me Arthur before was

1530
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 3: my grandma, God rest her soul. She got so excited

1531
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 3: to yell at me one time she called me Arthur. Hey, guys, who.

1532
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 5: Anyways?

1533
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 9: I knew that Tony Pike, the famous hoteler.

1534
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean he was a wild guy. We used

1535
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 3: to run around the swinger circuits, if you know what

1536
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 3: I mean. I mean he was crazy.

1537
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 5: Man.

1538
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 2: He's probably the most famous hoteler out there.

1539
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 4: Tony Pike man.

1540
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 3: Wow, man, he's like Dan Baziliar and Brazil. I can't

1541
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 3: talk today. You know who that is?

1542
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 20: Dan?

1543
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 3: Bill's Yes, Bill Syrian, he's like him before him, you know.

1544
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 25: Okay, Hey, Austin, Hey, Tony Paul from Cleaves here. Just

1545
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 25: to give you guys a heads up. I have so

1546
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 25: much faith and how long your longevity is going to

1547
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 25: be on the radio that my son's a freshman when

1548
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 25: he goes to make his college announcement to the commitment

1549
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 25: for football or wrestling, you guys are going to get

1550
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 25: the exclusive on the man. We'll bring him on the

1551
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 25: show and we'll have him announced it on your show.

1552
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 25: Let's go to you, guys. Think I also have an

1553
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 25: eighth grader. I think that's going to be just as good.

1554
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 25: So if you guys are arrested, let me know.

1555
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 3: Yep, I would have a backup plan IFIVE were you,

1556
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 3: We'll pencil it in. One of us has already been

1557
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 3: fired once. All right, we're done. All right.

1558
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 2: By the way, I know, there's there's not many things

1559
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 2: that will bring Xavier and Cincinnati fans together. Did you

1560
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 2: see the photo going around social media of Sean Miller

1561
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 2: last night? No, uh, Texas that he's dead to me,

1562
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 2: Texas lost last night. They've lost to Arizona State this year.

1563
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 2: They have two losses another one they lost to Duke.

1564
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 2: But last night they hosted Virginia and they lost the

1565
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 2: game eighty eight to sixty nine. They were down by

1566
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,719
Speaker 2: nineteen and a half. And there is this like picture

1567
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 2: of Sean Miller with like five minutes to go in

1568
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 2: the game, with just this blank stare, and it's circulating

1569
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 2: on social media. And I can't imagine something on this

1570
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 2: week that would bring you see and Xavier fans together.

1571
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 2: But I think it's photo of Sean Miller struggling.

1572
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:09,799
Speaker 3: What about Sean Miller to replace Wes Miller? Nope, thoughts, nope, no, nope, nope.

1573
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 3: I think you would like that. N No, I think

1574
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 3: you would. I'm out on that one for sure. Come back,

1575
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,719
Speaker 3: we got football in the Natty. Now, I don't know, Ernie.

1576
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 3: We actually have an update from Lamar Jackson.

1577
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 2: Next on the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty

1578
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station.

1579
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 3: Man, it's the Holt.

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01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: This is Football in the Natti, brought to you by

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01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:39,600
Speaker 1: butt Light on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of

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01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals.

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01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome back Football in the Natti. It's our two

1584
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 2: thanks to Cincy shirts. Since he three to sixty couple

1585
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 2: loose ended football topics here, we have a Austin has

1586
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson and a Josh Allen update in just a moment. Also,

1587
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 2: Big twelve honors have been handed down Austin Honorable mentions

1588
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 2: for the Cincinnati Bearcats running back Top Walker, ride, receiver

1589
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 2: Jeff Caldwell, defensive lineman Jalen Hunt, and safety and Twin

1590
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 2: Peak Junior All Honorable mention, Third team nods Gavin Gerhardt

1591
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 2: on the offensive line, and Joe Royer should be a

1592
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 2: first team All Big Twelve player. Joe Royer gets third

1593
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 2: team All Big Twelve honors, second team punter Max Fletcher,

1594
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 2: defensive lineman Dante Corleone, offensive lineman Evan Tengestahl, offensive lineman

1595
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 2: Joe Cotton, wide receiver Cyrus Allen, and the quarterback of

1596
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 2: the Bearcats, Brendan Sowersby. And the first team loan recipient

1597
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 2: for the Cincinnati Bearcats, linebacker Jake Goldey. One hunting and

1598
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 2: five tackles, six tackles for the lost, three and a

1599
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 2: half sacks, three pass breakups. Jake Golday your first team

1600
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 2: All Big Twelve honoree and three Bearcats earning invites to

1601
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl yesterday Joe Royer, Dante Corleone, and Jake Golday.

1602
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 2: That is the latest from the Cincinnati Bearcats. What's the

1603
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 2: latest Austin with Lamar Jackson Well I.

1604
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 3: Heard by the way that at the Senior Bowl, Dante

1605
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 3: Corleon is not going to be on the field and

1606
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:14,879
Speaker 3: rundowns oh woll Joel Royer, I would assume so Jake Golday,

1607
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 3: by the way, future fourth round pick the Cincinnati Bengals. Okay,

1608
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,799
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson. You know there's a big game on Sunday

1609
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 3: between the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Baltimore Ravens, one that

1610
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 3: impacts Cincinnati's chances to make the playoffs. Baltimore's currently six

1611
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 3: point favorites for that game, which is being played at

1612
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 3: M and T Bank Stadium in Baltimore. Well, yesterday Lamar

1613
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 3: Jackson was listed as a limited participant in practice. This

1614
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,480
Speaker 3: was big news because well he never practices on Wednesdays,

1615
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:50,640
Speaker 3: dealing with all his myriad of injuries. Well today not

1616
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 3: practicing at all. He went from limited yesterday to not

1617
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 3: practicing at all for the Baltimore Ravens' quarterback Lamar jack

1618
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 3: And he's listed with an ankle, so he does not

1619
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 3: get a full week of practice like maybe we thought

1620
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 3: he would get yesterday. Also, Ravens nose tackle Travis Jones

1621
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 3: is not practicing, who obviously is a big part of

1622
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 3: their ability to stop the run game. So, as we

1623
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 3: said earlier, the Bengals need the Steelers and Ravens to split.

1624
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 3: That's the easiest path forward. So we'll see what happens

1625
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 3: in that game on Sunday.

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01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 2: Other quick notes, Mark Andrews has secured a three year

1627
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 2: extension with the Baltimore Ravens.

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01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 3: I was a little surprised by that. Yeah, I was too.

1630
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 2: Also, Ted Karris, the Bengals recipient nominated for the Walter

1631
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 2: Payton NFL Man of the Year Award.

1632
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 3: Here is Buffalo Bill's quarterback Josh Allen talking about what

1633
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 3: it means to play against Joe Burrow.

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01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 26: I mean, yeah, anytime you have a chance to play

1635
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 26: against one of the premier quarterbacks in this league, you

1636
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 26: know you have to be ready for it.

1637
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 3: You have to put your best stuff out.

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01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 26: They have a really good game, week of practice, and

1639
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 26: then go out there and execute on Sunday.

1640
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 3: Okay, pretty simple stuff. There, Nothing life changing from Josh Allen.

1641
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 3: He was also talked He was also asked and talked

1642
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,759
Speaker 3: about playing meaningful football late in the season.

1643
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 26: It's the it's the best time to play play football.

1644
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 26: It's when when the stakes are high and you got

1645
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 26: to go out there and you got to perform your

1646
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 26: your job.

1647
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 4: You know.

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01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 26: I feel like that's that's a big part of this

1649
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 26: team of we want that pressure, we want to go

1650
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 26: out there, we want to perform for each other.

1651
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 3: And there you go. That is uh true.

1652
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 2: It's a massive, massive late season game happening on.

1653
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 3: You might even call it a tilt, a tilt.

1654
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 4: You know.

1655
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 2: It's interesting Austin, because I think Buffalo thought they might

1656
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 2: have had another player to play on Sunday and he declined. Remember,

1657
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 2: earlier in the week, Darius Slay was let go by

1658
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers, and then Darius Slay was claimed by

1659
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills on waivers yesterday. Now, Darius Slay is

1660
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:03,679
Speaker 2: not reporting to because he's quote unsure whether he wants

1661
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 2: to continue playing football. His agent said, Darius Lay is

1662
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 2: honored that a first class organization like the Bills claimed him,

1663
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 2: but he is going to take some time away from

1664
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 2: football and decide in the next few days if he

1665
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 2: wants to keep playing.

1666
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 3: Drew Rosenhaus told Adam Schefter today, Yeah, and the Eagles,

1667
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 3: who he played for and won a Super Bowl with,

1668
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 3: also put acclaim in on him. And so there's been

1669
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 3: some speculation by the insiders across the NFL that the

1670
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 3: plan was maybe for Slay to go back to Philadelphia,

1671
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 3: and now that he's been claimed, I'd rather maybe retire.

1672
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 3: We'll see, Bengals played against him earlier this year and

1673
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 3: he's with Pittsburgh and torched him a little bit, So

1674
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 3: it would have been nice to see if he was

1675
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 3: on the field for the Buffalo Bills. But overall, you

1676
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 3: want another Bengals Bills fact for you, please, a little

1677
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 3: fun fact here. Please. This is going to be the

1678
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 3: thirty fifth time the Bengals and Bills have played each other.

1679
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 3: They are seventeen and seventeen against one. Isn't that amazing? Say,

1680
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,560
Speaker 3: something's got to give. Yeah, one team's gonna get the advantage.

1681
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 2: The last time the Bengals does a tie eliminate the

1682
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 2: Bengals still.

1683
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 3: A lot of the time. No, that actually might help them.

1684
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 3: The last time the Bengals went to Orchard Park during

1685
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:28,839
Speaker 3: the regular season, that was September of twenty nineteen. Bills

1686
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 3: won twenty one seventeen in that game.

1687
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 2: I thought they went there a couple of years before that,

1688
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,440
Speaker 2: or was that here They went there in the postseason

1689
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 2: in the postseason they played, and then the year before

1690
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 2: I guess they played in Cincinnati. Okay, let's take a break.

1691
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 2: We'll put a bow on our number two. Next kick

1692
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 2: and Nickoson starts our number three ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati

1693
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 2: Sports Station.

1694
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:54,679
Speaker 1: You've been listening to football in the NATI on ESPN

1695
01:21:54,840 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1696
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 3: Yes, please? Is it Friday? Yes?

1697
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 2: No, it's the end of our number two on a Thursday.

1698
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,680
Speaker 2: Keegan Nickoson will join us to kick things off in

1699
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 2: our number three. Thanks so much for joining us, thanks

1700
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 2: to Cincy shirts here on our number two.

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01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 3: Austin, I'm shocked by this. We go each and every week.

1702
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 2: But yes, it's Thursday, which means the official start of

1703
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,719
Speaker 2: Week fourteen in the NFL. Yes, each week it feels

1704
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,799
Speaker 2: more depressing that we're nearing the end of the regular season.

1705
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:33,480
Speaker 2: Week fourteen.

1706
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 3: It's a good one, last regular season week for a

1707
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 3: lot of fantasy, that's true.

1708
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 2: It's a good one if you follow along with the

1709
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 2: NFC playoff race. Cowboys Lions both on the outside looking in.

1710
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 2: They play tonight in Detroit. Lions are a three and

1711
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 2: a half point favorite, But it does kick off in

1712
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 2: a big way Week fourteen. Some other noteworthy games to

1713
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:00,719
Speaker 2: look at as you get into the weekend. Three Seattle

1714
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 2: Seahawks right now, Austin. They are the second betting favorite

1715
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 2: in the NFL to win the Super Bowl.

1716
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 3: I'm very, very, very very high on the Seahawks, and

1717
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 3: they're getting healthier on defense, which is a scary thought.

1718
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 2: Second in betting odds to win the Lombardy right behind

1719
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:22,759
Speaker 2: still even they come off a loss. The Los Angeles Rams,

1720
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 2: so Rams are number one, Seahawks are number two, Packers

1721
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 2: are number three, and then the Buffalo Bills are the

1722
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:35,719
Speaker 2: favorite in the AFC currently at plus nine one hundred.

1723
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,640
Speaker 2: That is, of course, who the Bengals will play. We'll

1724
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 2: talk more Bengals Bills tomorrow. Titans Browns said yesterday the

1725
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 2: twenty one day window is open for Deshaun Watson. Don't

1726
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 2: think it's going to be out of the realm of

1727
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 2: possibilities that Deshaun Watson plays for the Browns this year.

1728
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:54,719
Speaker 3: Who would you rather face in Week eighteen, Deshaun Watson

1729
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 3: playoff spot on the line, Deshaun Watson, Dylan Gabriel, Schador

1730
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 3: Sanders or Deshaun I think Deshaun Watson. I think so too.

1731
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 2: Commander's vikings perfect timing Dolphins Jets is an interesting one

1732
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 2: because the Dolphins are playing so well. If you're thinking

1733
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 2: about is that game in Miami gonna be flexed at

1734
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 2: any point? I wonder if the if the Bengals win

1735
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 2: and the Dolphins win, if they keep that game as primetime.

1736
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll find out, I think on the twenty second

1737
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 3: or not on the twenty second the next week, right, yeah,

1738
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 3: next Monday maybe, Yeah, the eighth that I saw, I forget.

1739
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 3: I saw Jay Morrison tweeting about this the other day.

1740
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 3: But yeah, December fifteenth is the deadline. Yeah.

1741
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 2: Are the Bucks getting healthy at the right time? Mike

1742
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 2: Evans is back his twenty one day windows open, Bucky

1743
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 2: Irving played last week. They I think we've talked to

1744
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 2: Bucks are on the outside looking in. But their schedule

1745
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 2: right now, they got the Saints, Falcons, Panthers, Dolphins, Panthers left.

1746
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 3: Well, the thing right there is two games against the

1747
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 3: Panthers and Carolina has played well. Yeah, so yeah, I

1748
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 3: think it'll really ultimately come down to those two.

1749
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 2: What about the Jags and the Bolts in the one

1750
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:04,639
Speaker 2: o'clock window, yeah, I'm not out of four.

1751
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sold on the Colts, especially with Dimes

1752
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 3: being not one hundred percent. I was been sold on

1753
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 3: the Jags from the beginning, but I wouldn't say I'm

1754
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:13,639
Speaker 3: sold on them right now.

1755
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 2: Either Steelers, Ravens, Broncos, Raiders, Bears, pat Texans might win

1756
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 2: that Bears Packers might be fun too, man, Sure, Rams, Cardinals,

1757
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 2: Texans Chief Sunday Night and then Eagles Chargers. Is your

1758
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 2: Monday Night football tilt?

1759
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 3: By the way, Bengals practicing inside pay Corse Stadium right now,

1760
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 3: it's just shells and sweatpants for the Bengals. T Higgins,

1761
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 3: TODs Brooks both at practice. No Trey Hendrickson anywhere to

1762
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 3: be found. Come. Are you gonna ask Kegan about this

1763
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 3: report that Brendan Sorosby is being offered four million dollars

1764
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:48,839
Speaker 3: in the portal?

1765
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 2: Yes, let's kick that off with Kegan. Next our three station.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who this is, Tony Pikes since three

1767
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 1: sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati, sponsored in hardby Penn Station,

1768
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:11,200
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1769
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Speaker 1: fries and lemonade. It's all about good taste Penn Station

1770
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Speaker 1: East Coast subs orderum line today. This is ESPN fifteen

1771
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Speaker 1: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1772
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 2: All right, our three thanks to Penn Station on ESPN

1773
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1774
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Speaker 3: Let's dive right into it.

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01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 2: We get them each and every Thursday now through the

1776
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 2: conclusion of the college basketball season. It's our good friend

1777
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,640
Speaker 2: from Bearcat Journal dot com, Keegan Nickoson joining us right now.

1778
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 3: Hi, Keegan, Hey Tony, how are you? Keegan? I'm great.

1779
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 2: I thought I would throw some rapid fire questions at

1780
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 2: you just to kind of get you ready to go

1781
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:50,799
Speaker 2: for today's segment.

1782
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 3: Would you like to do that?

1783
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 5: Huh?

1784
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 4: I would love to do that.

1785
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 2: All right, here we go rapid fire question number one.

1786
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 2: Do you believe Brendan Sorosby's really getting offers north of

1787
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 2: four million dollars in the portal?

1788
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 4: Yes?

1789
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:08,600
Speaker 2: Keg and nickoson uh Gisel James was spotted on the

1790
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:12,600
Speaker 2: jumbo tron on Monday at the UC game against Tarleton.

1791
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 2: Is Gigsel James gonna play for the Bearcats this year?

1792
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 4: No?

1793
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 2: Keg and nickoson Bearcat Journal dot com. Is in year

1794
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 2: five of the shootout for Wes Miller is tomorrow night.

1795
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 2: I must win for West Miller. Yes, Keg and nickoson,

1796
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 2: do you have a educated guest on which bowl game

1797
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 2: the Bearcats will be playing in?

1798
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 4: Educated? I don't really educated in me don't really go

1799
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 4: together very well.

1800
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 3: What do you know that we don't?

1801
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 4: Kegan?

1802
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 3: What do you know?

1803
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 2: I know, you guys get inside stuff at barracat Journal.

1804
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 2: Brendle's probably already got Brendel's already got Brendle's already got

1805
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 2: a spot booked for you, and then probably Springer.

1806
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 3: I know, So where's it at?

1807
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1808
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 2: Let's let's start on the football side officially now signing

1809
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:04,600
Speaker 2: day yesterday.

1810
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 3: In your best, um.

1811
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 2: Let's say your best summary of the class that you

1812
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 2: see in Scott Sanderfield brought in yesterday would be what.

1813
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 4: Best summary was more successful than the twenty twenty five class?

1814
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 3: Okay?

1815
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 4: I say that mainly because they were able to hold

1816
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:30,799
Speaker 4: on to some guys that were getting recruited by SEC

1817
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 4: schools and Big ten schools like Fulham and Mathis. There's

1818
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 4: a corner Markel Taylor and then Dadrian Waller. They were

1819
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 4: getting offers from schools like Georgia Florida, Mississippi State, and

1820
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 4: some of them were taking visits. Others were completely shutting

1821
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 4: down their recruitment and staying fully committed to Cincinnati. But

1822
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 4: they were able to hold on to them, and especially

1823
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,879
Speaker 4: when you think about their highest rated or brute Lance Dawson,

1824
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 4: who was offered pretty crazy money by West Virginia and

1825
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 4: decided to stay with Cincinnati, And it even got to

1826
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,799
Speaker 4: the point where he was changing his Instagram profile picture

1827
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 4: to a West Virginia commitment graphic, so like he was

1828
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 4: basically he had told West Virginia staff he's coming, and

1829
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 4: then Cincinnati goes and changes that and then rewrites the

1830
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 4: narrative that you know, Lance Daalson is going to be

1831
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 4: a Bearcat and then they're able to sign him late

1832
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 4: yesterday afternoon. So yeah, it was. It was a successful class.

1833
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 4: Obviously not what you want to see from a ratings perspective,

1834
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 4: but Zach Grant isn't a guy that's gonna look at

1835
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:42,640
Speaker 4: that judge what the class is based off that, So

1836
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 4: I think it was a good class.

1837
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 2: Just recently we saw the Big twelve awards come down.

1838
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 2: Tommy Walker, Jeff Codwhill, Jalen Hunt, Antwine Peak Junior Honorable

1839
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 2: mention Joel Royer, Gavin Garhardt, third team. Second team was

1840
01:29:56,720 --> 01:30:00,720
Speaker 2: Fletcher Corleone, teng Stall Cotton, Allen Sores. The first team

1841
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 2: Jake Golda. When you see all these players earning all

1842
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 2: Big twelve honors, does it change in all your view

1843
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:10,720
Speaker 2: on how the season went based on success or disappointment

1844
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 2: seeing how many Bearcats were honored and yet seeing how

1845
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 2: the season ended.

1846
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it should have been better. When you

1847
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 4: have that many guys on the first, second, and third team,

1848
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 4: you should finish better than seven and five because that

1849
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 4: tells me you have the talent to do it. The

1850
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 4: surprise was that Evan Pryor didn't get any real nomination.

1851
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 4: I think he had a really really good year and

1852
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 4: was he was better than Tawie Walker for the latter

1853
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 4: half of the season despite missing I think it was

1854
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 4: two games. So that was a surprise to me. But

1855
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 4: when you look at that list, those are a lot

1856
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 4: of names that are also not going to be back

1857
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 4: next year, mainly to exhausting eligibility, and then you never

1858
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 4: know what could happen with the portal. So they've got

1859
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 4: a tall task ahead of them to put together a

1860
01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:01,839
Speaker 4: talented roster given all the all the very honored guys

1861
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 4: that are not going to be here. So I'm looking

1862
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 4: forward to seeing what they can do with that.

1863
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 2: Knowing now what it's like in college football bowl games,

1864
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 2: and I know we don't know where the Bearcats are going,

1865
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 2: but I would assume, you know, I see that that

1866
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 2: Corleone and Royer and Goldey are all going to you know,

1867
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 2: they got Senior Day and Senior Bowl invites. I don't

1868
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 2: foresee Soresby and Corleone and Royer and Goldey and others

1869
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 2: playing in a bowl game. So how do you view

1870
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 2: bowl games now? You know from the Cincinnati sports area

1871
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:36,720
Speaker 2: where you're covering, Now, what do you look for? I

1872
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 2: know you get extra bowl game practices, which is vital

1873
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 2: to coaches, but does this now just become a showcase

1874
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 2: for younger players on this team to show what they

1875
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 2: can do.

1876
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think a big thing you can do is

1877
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 4: kind of decide what you're going to do in the

1878
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 4: portal based off of what the guys on the team

1879
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 4: do in the bowl game. Like say, say Maney, Covey

1880
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 4: and on Johnson go out and have great games, and

1881
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 4: then you say, okay, we probably don't have to bring

1882
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 4: in the running back, or maybe there's some linebackers who

1883
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:09,680
Speaker 4: step up and you think, Okay, we don't have to

1884
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 4: bring in three linebackers because we're losing Checked Engle and

1885
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:16,680
Speaker 4: Jake Goldey. The tight end position is interesting to me.

1886
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 4: You're losing Patrick Kurd and J're Royer, and then you've

1887
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 4: got some decently experienced guys in Devin de Hursty and

1888
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 4: Gavin Gerber, which I believe that they're just going to

1889
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 4: go forward with that group next season and probably not

1890
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 4: bring one in. But I think it's it's a look

1891
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:33,639
Speaker 4: at what you need to do for next season, and

1892
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 4: it could also be a chance for some of these

1893
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 4: guys to up their price tad and their conversations with

1894
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 4: the team to come back. So I don't put too

1895
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:44,639
Speaker 4: much stock in it. Like if they go out and lose,

1896
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 4: that doesn't change my opinion, Like it doesn't make me

1897
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:51,719
Speaker 4: think that it's worse. If they go out and win, it's,

1898
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 4: you know, it's, you know, a good job, you played

1899
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 4: a probably fundamentally sound game and won a game. But

1900
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 4: I don't put too much stock into these games, just

1901
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 4: like I tried not to put too much stock in

1902
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 4: any of the exhibition basketball games before the season.

1903
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 2: Is that still though, Like, does it change anything because

1904
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 2: they lost the last four in a row and trying

1905
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,519
Speaker 2: to avoid a five game losing streak to end the season,

1906
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 2: or are you fully separating the two.

1907
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 4: I mean, in my mind, I think after the BYU

1908
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 4: loss there was just air taken out of the program.

1909
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 4: So like, I think that they'd put all their eggs

1910
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 4: in the basket of beating YU, staying alive in the

1911
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 4: Big twelve, and seeing if they could manage to get in.

1912
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 4: But I just think it doesn't really change it for me.

1913
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 4: There's just too many factors. You can look at the

1914
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 4: four consecutive losses and say that was your best team

1915
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 4: on the field for those four games, and it was

1916
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 4: your best effort, and your guys were supposed to be

1917
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 4: bought in. But the TCU loss I don't put as

1918
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 4: much stock into as if you know they were still

1919
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 4: playing for a Big felve title, because obviously it would

1920
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:05,799
Speaker 4: have been a lot different. But obviously the four losses

1921
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 4: down the stretch, you have to find a way to

1922
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:09,559
Speaker 4: keep your guys bought in and playing for something, and

1923
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 4: that just didn't happen.

1924
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 2: Let's switch gears Tomorrow night is the Crosstown shootout. You

1925
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 2: and I had a chance to talk earlier in the week,

1926
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:21,280
Speaker 2: and I wonder, like, do you feel now in covering

1927
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:23,400
Speaker 2: this game, We've had a couple extra days, now you've

1928
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 2: you've put more into it. Do you feel the buzz

1929
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 2: generating for this game or do you think there is

1930
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:32,760
Speaker 2: a lack of buzz surrounding the shootout still which is

1931
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:33,720
Speaker 2: being played tomorrow night.

1932
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the biggest buzz being put into the

1933
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 4: game is probably my boss going after Janger fans on

1934
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:43,760
Speaker 4: Twitter coccer. I think if it weren't for if it

1935
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 4: weren't for that, where would it be at. I don't know.

1936
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 4: I think there's naturally a lack of buzz just with

1937
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,760
Speaker 4: the new landscape of college basketball, and Wes Miller like

1938
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 4: mentioned that yesterday, like, it's not it's not unique to

1939
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 4: this rivalry. I would say, Duke and you and seeing

1940
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 4: large part is the same because they've basically had this

1941
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 4: kind of player rotational landscape and roster turnover for the

1942
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 4: past twenty years because other guys are there for one

1943
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 4: year and then they leave. So that's kind of just

1944
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 4: ingrained in the culture. But for other rivalries, like you

1945
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 4: don't get the like fultered hatred for the teams, like

1946
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 4: these guys aren't playing against each other four years in

1947
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:34,439
Speaker 4: a row, and you know, like it's just not there.

1948
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 4: So I think I say all that, but then the

1949
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 4: lights come on and there can be some really really

1950
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 4: interesting stuff happened. And then I look at guys like

1951
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,599
Speaker 4: Kirk Prisa, who take on Luka dmcic in the game

1952
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 4: in Europe, and since her Harris, who's one of the

1953
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 4: most physical players in the country, and Dane Thomas who

1954
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 4: just got ejected Tarleton State. So you never really know

1955
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 4: what can happen. Maybe this can be a thing where

1956
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 4: West Miller times it around and he's here for a

1957
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 4: long time and Richard Patino has success, because I think

1958
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:07,200
Speaker 4: that's also something that you have to look at as

1959
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 4: the lack of success each program has had since like

1960
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, and that's definitely had an impact on the

1961
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 4: rivalry losing its luster. As the phrase I've.

1962
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 2: Heard, I certainly understand too. When you look at this

1963
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 2: weekend championship weekend in college football, Bills Bengals on Sunday,

1964
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 2: it often it falls on a different time. I think

1965
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:28,880
Speaker 2: you could venture to say that there's not a lot

1966
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 2: of Xavier fans that know a lot of guys on

1967
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 2: the UC roster, and there's not a lot of UC

1968
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 2: fans that know many people on Xavier's roster because of

1969
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:38,680
Speaker 2: the current landscape of college basketball and college athletics as

1970
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:41,599
Speaker 2: a whole. I mentioned to you in rapid fire earlier though,

1971
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 2: is this a must win for Wes Miller? Can Wes

1972
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:46,719
Speaker 2: Miller change that? Like, if they come out and play

1973
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:49,920
Speaker 2: their best basketball this season, does that then change the

1974
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 2: feel around this team going forward?

1975
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 3: In your opinion?

1976
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And this feels like a pivot point for the

1977
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:01,760
Speaker 4: season because if they go into a and lose a

1978
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,479
Speaker 4: game that is very winnable against the Zager team who

1979
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:06,720
Speaker 4: has struggled. They've turned it around over the past three

1980
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 4: or four games and they've got some decent wins. But

1981
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 4: I think Cincinnati has the better roster and they have

1982
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:15,719
Speaker 4: the talent to go in and win. If you lose,

1983
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:18,200
Speaker 4: it's going to be hard for me to picture you

1984
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 4: being able to get the momentum going especially to the

1985
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 4: end of the non conference and build up your tournament

1986
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 4: resume before you get into the gauntlet of what is

1987
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 4: a big twelve schedule where it's going to be even

1988
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:30,640
Speaker 4: harder to get on a winning streak and get some

1989
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 4: momentum going. If you win, then that's the tip of

1990
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 4: the cap. That's okay, let's get on the right foot.

1991
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 4: Let's start playing our brand of basketball. Let's start competing

1992
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 4: to the level that wes Miller wants them to compete at.

1993
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 4: So you know, I could see the season going on.

1994
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 4: Want of either way is based on the result of

1995
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 4: this game. And you know, wes Miller not winning at

1996
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 4: Centas is definitely something that could be a dark spot

1997
01:37:57,080 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 4: on the resume. But yeah, I think before where I

1998
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 4: was saying it's not a must win because he can

1999
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 4: still turn it around, But now I'm thinking, how do

2000
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:07,439
Speaker 4: you turn it around if you lose this game to

2001
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 4: a Zavier team that you should beat, and like the

2002
01:38:10,360 --> 01:38:13,479
Speaker 4: rivalry might have lost its luster, but beating Xavier is

2003
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:16,880
Speaker 4: still like the most important thing to a lot of

2004
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 4: Cincinnati fans.

2005
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 2: For just sheer x'es and o's that are going to

2006
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 2: happen tomorrow night. How does U see win this game?

2007
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 2: How do they take care of business?

2008
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:31,120
Speaker 4: I think you just you really shut down Dager's three

2009
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 4: point offense, try to limit them to like twenty five

2010
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 4: or twenty percent conversion rate, and then you don't even

2011
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 4: have to have a really really good shooting night. You

2012
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 4: just can't have your best shooters only making like twenty

2013
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 4: percent of their threes. So I'm looking at Kerr Presa,

2014
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 4: I'm looking at John Celestine, Shawna, bia Dde Thomas, those

2015
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 4: guys they can't not show up. And then the big

2016
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:58,559
Speaker 4: three that I've been talking about of Baba Miller, Shauna

2017
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 4: Bias and Mustapha Cham. You know, Msa Champ cannot have

2018
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 4: a Tony Snell line in this game, Like he can't

2019
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 4: play twenty five minutes and there's zero points the for

2020
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:11,760
Speaker 4: once from the from the field and only get three rebounds.

2021
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,760
Speaker 4: Like he has to dominate, he has to play physical.

2022
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:19,280
Speaker 4: So I'm looking for three point defense. I'm looking for

2023
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:21,759
Speaker 4: three point offense and being able to kill some runs

2024
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 4: and some momentum there by Jaeger and then also physicality

2025
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 4: on the board. See if the double double Machines and

2026
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 4: Baba Miller and Mustafa Champ can kind of just tell

2027
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:36,400
Speaker 4: the runs and bring a steadiness to this team in

2028
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 4: an environment where it can get pretty crazy.

2029
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:41,479
Speaker 2: I look at the remaining non conference and I think

2030
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 2: going into the year, you're like, Okay, Georgia Clemson kind

2031
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 2: of middle of the pack. If you look right now,

2032
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:49,439
Speaker 2: Georgia is sitting at eight and one. They lost their

2033
01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 2: only loss of the years to Clemson, an overtime loss.

2034
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 2: They have beaten Xavier, They went on the road and

2035
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:56,360
Speaker 2: put up one hundred and seven points at Florida State

2036
01:39:56,880 --> 01:40:00,200
Speaker 2: just two nights ago. Clemson, on the other hand, just

2037
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 2: took Alabama to the finish on last night. They lost

2038
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 2: ninety to eighty four in that game. Clemson is also

2039
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:09,720
Speaker 2: sitting at seven and two. So you know, I think

2040
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:11,559
Speaker 2: there's a lot of fans Keig and I know the

2041
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:13,840
Speaker 2: crowd wasn't great on Monday Night. I think there's a

2042
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 2: lot of fans that are gonna sit back and say, Okay,

2043
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:20,040
Speaker 2: what happens against Xavier, what happens against Georgia, what happens

2044
01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:22,920
Speaker 2: against Clemson, and then make that determination on how the

2045
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:23,840
Speaker 2: rest of the season goes.

2046
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:24,720
Speaker 3: Would you agree with that?

2047
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:30,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, because I think what you saw last year

2048
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 4: was the definition of getting your hopes up after the

2049
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:36,759
Speaker 4: non conference. Like you you beat Dayton, you beat Xavier,

2050
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 4: you go into Georgia Tech in Atlanta and you killed them.

2051
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 4: You had had the exhibition blowout win over a higher state,

2052
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:47,280
Speaker 4: and then you opened Big Twelve play with Kansas State

2053
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:50,439
Speaker 4: and you lose, and then you lost to Villanova as well,

2054
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:52,519
Speaker 4: but that was more like, you know, you're playing on

2055
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:55,439
Speaker 4: the road. Villanova's got a sneaky good team. Eric Dixon

2056
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,560
Speaker 4: is a really good player, and so that loss is

2057
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 4: kind of understandable, but then it just starts that losing

2058
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 4: streak and then it's a hole that you have to

2059
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:07,640
Speaker 4: dig yourself out of. So I don't blame fans for

2060
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:09,320
Speaker 4: kind of keeping their guard up a little bit and

2061
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 4: wanting to see what happens against Georgia and Clemson before

2062
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 4: really buying in, especially the track record over the past

2063
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:19,720
Speaker 4: two or three seasons. So yeah, that makes a lot

2064
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:21,439
Speaker 4: of sense to me. And I think when you looked

2065
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 4: at the non conference before the season, it was okay,

2066
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:27,559
Speaker 4: like it's decent, but the big games are really Xavier

2067
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:30,880
Speaker 4: and Louisville and then Georgia and Simpson aer two just

2068
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:34,160
Speaker 4: high major teams. And now, as the college basketball season

2069
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 4: usually goes, everyone's team changes, the outlook for the team's change.

2070
01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:41,360
Speaker 4: In our Clemson and Georgia are two pretty good teams

2071
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 4: that it's going to be really tough to beat them,

2072
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:45,439
Speaker 4: especially against an away crowd.

2073
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:50,440
Speaker 2: It should be a great atmosphere, a huge, massive opportunity

2074
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:53,200
Speaker 2: for the Bearcats. I look forward to talking again next week.

2075
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:55,879
Speaker 2: After the dust settles, we'll have an idea. We'll understand

2076
01:41:55,880 --> 01:41:57,840
Speaker 2: where the Bearcats are going to go bowling, and we'll

2077
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:01,080
Speaker 2: know where the basketball bear Cats sit after obviously the

2078
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 2: Crosstown shootout. Keegan, what's the easiest way to keep up

2079
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 2: with all your coverage of the bear catch going forward?

2080
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:10,639
Speaker 4: Follow kay nickoson forty two on x and the next series.

2081
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 4: Subscribed to Bearcat Journal and just posted an article about

2082
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:16,760
Speaker 4: yesterday's signing day. Press or Zach Rant Scott sat a

2083
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 4: Field had a ton to say about the twenty twenty

2084
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:22,240
Speaker 4: sixth signing class, So go ahead and read that.

2085
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:25,599
Speaker 2: Awesome Keegan, thanks so much man. We will catch up

2086
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:28,080
Speaker 2: next week. Enjoy the shootout, and enjoy the weekend.

2087
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 4: Thanks Terry seeing phoenix.

2088
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 2: Er Seagan nickoson Urcat journal dot com. Oh, that would

2089
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:39,840
Speaker 2: not be great? How about Keegan going to the Blakesnell

2090
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:43,519
Speaker 2: Mustafa Chom You have to be better than what he was.

2091
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:45,080
Speaker 3: Would you? What did you just say? It would not

2092
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:45,679
Speaker 3: be great?

2093
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:52,040
Speaker 2: Phoenix. No, why not listen December twenty sixth. That would

2094
01:42:52,040 --> 01:42:56,120
Speaker 2: mean the team flies on the afternoon of Christmas will

2095
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:57,519
Speaker 2: not be good in the pie household.

2096
01:42:57,680 --> 01:42:59,639
Speaker 3: It's Christmas mornings. What matters?

2097
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:03,840
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, we'll dive more

2098
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:04,599
Speaker 2: into that this week.

2099
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 3: People don't care. Maybe next you get paid to watch football.

2100
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:12,679
Speaker 3: I care, I care. I know Moagger cares, of course,

2101
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:15,000
Speaker 3: I mean, but other I mean just saying other people

2102
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 3: gotta work on Christmas? Not many.

2103
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:19,040
Speaker 2: You don't even have to work. You just have to fly.

2104
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:22,439
Speaker 2: Yeah mean more work, you say? Not many have to

2105
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 2: work on Chris's more work leaving Buddy leaves down on

2106
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 2: a little just a smidge out of touch right now?

2107
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 2: All right, well trying, I'm trying to get I'm trying

2108
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:32,840
Speaker 2: to keep you in line. I'm not gonna apologize for

2109
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:34,479
Speaker 2: wanting to spend Christmas with my children.

2110
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:35,840
Speaker 3: Of course my wife, of course.

2111
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:36,000
Speaker 4: Not.

2112
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:40,479
Speaker 2: That's it. Bob Man, Jean Nova care, Well now he'll

2113
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:43,720
Speaker 2: be doing on Christmas. They probably have practice, don't they. No, No, well,

2114
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,680
Speaker 2: at that point we might will wait till tomorrow night.

2115
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:50,960
Speaker 2: Since he three sixty ESBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station, It's.

2116
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 5: It possible to fill you a grain with enough.

2117
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:59,799
Speaker 2: Welcome back since he three sixty rolls along our number

2118
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 2: three read thanks to Penn Station on the home of

2119
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 2: the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. We just

2120
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 2: got you ready to go for the Crosstown shootout with

2121
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:10,839
Speaker 2: our guy Keegan nickoson a Bearcat journal dot com.

2122
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:11,839
Speaker 3: Let's switch gears.

2123
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 2: Let's spend some time with our guy now, Bob Man

2124
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:18,000
Speaker 2: Jean from the University of Cincinnati and Nova care kind

2125
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:20,520
Speaker 2: enough to join us this afternoon.

2126
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 3: Bob, what's going on?

2127
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 5: You said, Tony? Just getting ready for the Crosstown shootout?

2128
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 3: All right?

2129
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:29,479
Speaker 2: Now, I want you to brace yourself, Bob, because I'm

2130
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:33,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to pay you some compliments here and I

2131
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 2: don't want that to change. You know, you being able

2132
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:37,639
Speaker 2: to get out of the room and your head getting

2133
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 2: too big. But there's so much conversation going on around

2134
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:44,719
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and the ability of Joe Burrow to come

2135
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 2: back as quick as he did to me. I go

2136
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:52,000
Speaker 2: back to the training staff because I go back to

2137
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:56,559
Speaker 2: my injuries, and speaking from the experience, you have friends

2138
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 2: in your life that are saying, well, you got to

2139
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:00,519
Speaker 2: get back and play. What are you going to You

2140
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:03,200
Speaker 2: have family members, when are you going to play? Coaches

2141
01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:05,600
Speaker 2: want you to come back and play. Teammates wants you

2142
01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:08,400
Speaker 2: to come back and play. The constant that I always

2143
01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 2: had through the process was you and the other members

2144
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:15,479
Speaker 2: of the training staff, because I knew even at my

2145
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:19,479
Speaker 2: age in college that throughout anyone else that you're going

2146
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 2: to come in contact with, the training staff is the

2147
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:25,080
Speaker 2: one that's going to have your true best interest in mind.

2148
01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:27,960
Speaker 2: I remember conversations you and I had of if we

2149
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:30,240
Speaker 2: do this, can I hurt it any further? If we

2150
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:34,040
Speaker 2: do this, what happens? But I knew that I was

2151
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:36,640
Speaker 2: going to get the honest answer from you, not the

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Speaker 2: answer from a coach who wants you back, or teammates

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01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 2: or friends or different things in the process that Joe

2154
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 2: Burrow is going through, or any other player coming back

2155
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:49,360
Speaker 2: from injury. Talk about the importance, Bob, and that relationship

2156
01:45:49,439 --> 01:45:53,240
Speaker 2: between the player and the trainer to talk through what

2157
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 2: you need to talk through in order to come back.

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Speaker 3: On the field.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you, Tony for the kind words, and again

2160
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:03,679
Speaker 5: you were a pleasure to work with at your time

2161
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:07,520
Speaker 5: here at the universitys Cincinnati. But again, how many hours

2162
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:11,840
Speaker 5: and hours does the trainer spend with their athletes. That's

2163
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:15,519
Speaker 5: the key, the fact that you know you're really working,

2164
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:19,840
Speaker 5: you're really working super hard to to not just bring

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Speaker 5: him back to play, but to bring him back safely confidently.

2166
01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:29,320
Speaker 5: You know it has to be gold driven rehab. And again,

2167
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 5: you know the trainer and that athlete are spending time

2168
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:35,720
Speaker 5: and time and time together, so I kind of you know,

2169
01:46:35,800 --> 01:46:39,280
Speaker 5: you knew your athlete, and I'm sure the guys at

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01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:41,200
Speaker 5: the Bengals, you know, they know Joe Burrow, what a

2171
01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:44,840
Speaker 5: competitor he is, how well he can heal, and and

2172
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 5: you know, get him back on the field as safely

2173
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:51,760
Speaker 5: as possible and efficiently as possible. And I mean you're

2174
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:53,720
Speaker 5: probably still mad at me. You remember the time I

2175
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:56,320
Speaker 5: made you dress the day after surgery with arms so

2176
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:58,519
Speaker 5: real we will would know that you got hurt and

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01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:01,120
Speaker 5: that they thought you would be the core back. And

2178
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:05,519
Speaker 5: you know, you're all you're all relaxed on paying medicine.

2179
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:07,519
Speaker 5: You've put the uniform mine and went out there like

2180
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:11,400
Speaker 5: a true stud. And you know, and and again we

2181
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:13,679
Speaker 5: gave Louisville a little run for their money. And nowadays

2182
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:16,439
Speaker 5: you can't do that. You have to have player availability, right,

2183
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 5: So you know, those were the fun days, you know.

2184
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:23,320
Speaker 5: I mean you can think about the guys that got injured.

2185
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:28,800
Speaker 5: And I've been very, very fortunate in fifty three years,

2186
01:47:29,120 --> 01:47:33,240
Speaker 5: you know, working with guys like you know, I got

2187
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:35,280
Speaker 5: a chance to work with Pete Rose and his elbow

2188
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:38,320
Speaker 5: way back in the early eighties. I had a chance

2189
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:40,320
Speaker 5: to work with Carson Palmer, I got a chance to

2190
01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:44,160
Speaker 5: work with Tony Pike and Dave Pollock. So over the years,

2191
01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:47,519
Speaker 5: you know, I've been one they probably lived maybe the

2192
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:51,960
Speaker 5: best life, blessed life of any athletic trainer. But here

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01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:54,080
Speaker 5: at you see, we've had a blast for the last

2194
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:56,920
Speaker 5: twenty four years, and you know we've played a lot

2195
01:47:56,920 --> 01:48:00,200
Speaker 5: of games, won a lot of games. And knowing the

2196
01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:04,400
Speaker 5: athlete is the most important thing, knowing what how tough

2197
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 5: they are, what they can endure, how much they'll push themselves,

2198
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:11,280
Speaker 5: and you know that they're willing to play through a

2199
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:14,800
Speaker 5: little bit of something. But yet at the same time,

2200
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:17,120
Speaker 5: you've got your other half, the brain on saying we

2201
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:19,639
Speaker 5: got to protect it. We've got to make sure we're safe,

2202
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:22,000
Speaker 5: We've got to make sure we're you know, I mean,

2203
01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:25,200
Speaker 5: you remember the Louisvio game where you know Dustin got

2204
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:27,040
Speaker 5: thrown into the fire after you got hit in the

2205
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:30,200
Speaker 5: chest that time, and you know the question was, you know,

2206
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:33,040
Speaker 5: was it safe enough? And you know Dustin pulled it off.

2207
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:39,959
Speaker 5: And so you know, Dustin Grutzi, you you know, Zach Klarius.

2208
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:43,280
Speaker 5: I mean, you guys were tough quarterbacks. And the bottom

2209
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Speaker 5: line is I knew that you know, you guys would

2210
01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:48,720
Speaker 5: endure things that you know maybe other people wouldn't, and

2211
01:48:48,840 --> 01:48:51,120
Speaker 5: you guys rehambed your butts off.

2212
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:54,200
Speaker 2: How how important when you're going through that process, what

2213
01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:56,760
Speaker 2: are you trying to read from the athlete? Because it's

2214
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 2: one thing say, okay, go back out and play. But

2215
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:02,120
Speaker 2: if that player is going out and they feel compromised

2216
01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:05,280
Speaker 2: at all, maybe they're not playing as hard as they could,

2217
01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:07,479
Speaker 2: maybe they're still hesitant, and that could lead to a

2218
01:49:07,479 --> 01:49:10,320
Speaker 2: different injury or any type of reinjury. So what are

2219
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 2: you looking for in those early stages of Okay, you

2220
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:14,880
Speaker 2: can go back out there and play, you can go

2221
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 2: back out there and practice. But what are you watching

2222
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:20,519
Speaker 2: for to make sure that there isn't a setback or

2223
01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:22,720
Speaker 2: that that player is physically ready to go.

2224
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:27,040
Speaker 5: Well, you're evaluating them. After every practice you're sitting there

2225
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:29,759
Speaker 5: with them. How to go? You know, higher pain level

2226
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:32,080
Speaker 5: or your mechanics right? Or are you able to do this?

2227
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:36,719
Speaker 5: Can you control the environment? You're in football, well, almost

2228
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 5: any college sports, it's an uncontrolled environment. You do not

2229
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:42,320
Speaker 5: know what's going to come at you at what angle

2230
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:46,320
Speaker 5: at any giving time. Same thing in professional sports. So

2231
01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:49,240
Speaker 5: you know, prior to getting on the field, you do

2232
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:52,320
Speaker 5: your best in the trading room to mimic things they're

2233
01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:54,760
Speaker 5: going to run into. And then once you get them

2234
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:56,559
Speaker 5: back at practice, you got to look at their eyes.

2235
01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:58,320
Speaker 5: You know, were they able to go? Are they not

2236
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:01,320
Speaker 5: able to go? Do they look apporhad ehensive? You know,

2237
01:50:01,400 --> 01:50:04,519
Speaker 5: if they look apprehensive, they're not ready yet. You know,

2238
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:07,280
Speaker 5: but a lot of times the athlete has. You know,

2239
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:09,760
Speaker 5: I want to say the final say do you think

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01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:12,040
Speaker 5: you can do this or not? Because you know your body,

2241
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:14,599
Speaker 5: you know what your pain level is, you know what

2242
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:17,599
Speaker 5: you know we're asking of you, and the bottom line

2243
01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:24,000
Speaker 5: is can you can you do your job safely and

2244
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:27,280
Speaker 5: efficiently and protect yourself? Remember how much time do we

2245
01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:28,320
Speaker 5: spend on how to fall?

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01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:28,719
Speaker 4: Yep?

2247
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:32,280
Speaker 5: You know, because I wanted you to protect yourself.

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01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:34,519
Speaker 2: That so that that to me leads me to the

2249
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:37,160
Speaker 2: last point, and I think what it's the most important,

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01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:40,920
Speaker 2: and it's the mental side, because when you're when you're

2251
01:50:40,920 --> 01:50:45,360
Speaker 2: injured as an athlete, there's multiple things that happen. One Physically, yes,

2252
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:48,480
Speaker 2: it's tough, but mentally, now all of a sudden, you're alone,

2253
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:52,120
Speaker 2: a lot more guys are practicing, you're in the training room.

2254
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:54,439
Speaker 2: If you if you go through something where you've been

2255
01:50:54,439 --> 01:50:57,479
Speaker 2: injured and then you get injured again, mentally it's harder

2256
01:50:57,520 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 2: because there's a point in your mind you already know

2257
01:51:00,439 --> 01:51:02,400
Speaker 2: what it took to get back and all the hard work,

2258
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:05,840
Speaker 2: and now you've got to go through that again. So mentally,

2259
01:51:06,040 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 2: I wonder and how you prioritize that in a sense

2260
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 2: of all, right, physically they're ready to go. Mentally, how's

2261
01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:15,960
Speaker 2: this athlete doing as well? How much are you paying

2262
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,920
Speaker 2: attention and how much do you check in Now in

2263
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:22,080
Speaker 2: today's world with the mental health of players that are

2264
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:25,559
Speaker 2: injured and trying to get their way back, I.

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01:51:25,439 --> 01:51:27,800
Speaker 5: Think it's always been a priority of mine to make

2266
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:30,800
Speaker 5: sure that the mental side of what they're about to

2267
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:33,360
Speaker 5: go through when they get back in a game is

2268
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:37,120
Speaker 5: at optimal level. It's a priority because I can give

2269
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:39,400
Speaker 5: the best job or rehab in the world. And I've

2270
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:43,320
Speaker 5: had kids, high school kids and some college kids who

2271
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:46,759
Speaker 5: who basically said, I don't want to play anymore. Mentally,

2272
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:49,800
Speaker 5: I can't handle it, and so you would have to,

2273
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:52,439
Speaker 5: you know, not clear them to go back and play

2274
01:51:52,479 --> 01:51:55,479
Speaker 5: and advise them to go down another route. So the

2275
01:51:55,600 --> 01:52:00,840
Speaker 5: mental aspect is really critical, and the trainer and the pets,

2276
01:52:01,479 --> 01:52:06,759
Speaker 5: they have to make their rehab a positive situation goal driven.

2277
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:09,679
Speaker 5: The first two weeks, here's our goal, the next two weeks,

2278
01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:12,960
Speaker 5: here's our goal. And as you achieve those goals, now

2279
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:16,080
Speaker 5: we're ready for the next level. And making it positive

2280
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:20,639
Speaker 5: gives you that positive experience back to make sure mentally

2281
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:23,599
Speaker 5: you're staying you know, staying up on where you need

2282
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:28,479
Speaker 5: to be. But the mental element is really really important.

2283
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:33,000
Speaker 5: And again, over the years, I've had kids who just

2284
01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:36,559
Speaker 5: we're done, you know. I've had kids come in and saying,

2285
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:38,720
Speaker 5: I don't want to do this again. I've torn my

2286
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:41,559
Speaker 5: a c L and I've torn it twice and and

2287
01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:45,200
Speaker 5: now I'm pretty much, you know, over it. Then there

2288
01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:48,360
Speaker 5: are some kids who just are they're tough, and you

2289
01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:51,160
Speaker 5: can friggin you know, do whatever you need to do

2290
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:53,320
Speaker 5: to get them to play, and they're willing to play,

2291
01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:56,439
Speaker 5: So I mean it runs a gimmut. That's where the

2292
01:52:56,520 --> 01:53:02,360
Speaker 5: strainer knows unlike the physicians are unlike other people, they

2293
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:06,200
Speaker 5: know what their kids able to handle. And that's where

2294
01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:09,400
Speaker 5: the trader has a solid voice and making sure that

2295
01:53:09,479 --> 01:53:12,120
Speaker 5: they protect the kid and make sure. You know my

2296
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:14,280
Speaker 5: favorite saying, and I probably used it to you. I

2297
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:16,400
Speaker 5: don't know how many times. My job is to be

2298
01:53:16,439 --> 01:53:19,880
Speaker 5: the VR, the voice of reason. You know, what what

2299
01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:24,280
Speaker 5: can we accomplish and what should we avoid and not

2300
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:29,640
Speaker 5: let anybody put themselves into a situation where it's you know,

2301
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:32,120
Speaker 5: do no harm. I don't want to make you worse.

2302
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:35,400
Speaker 5: And so has that happened? Sure, it happens, you know.

2303
01:53:35,479 --> 01:53:39,360
Speaker 5: I mean, athletics is an uncontrolled environment and there's kids

2304
01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:41,040
Speaker 5: we think that are ready to go, and they think

2305
01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:42,640
Speaker 5: they're ready to go, and then the next thing, you know,

2306
01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:45,320
Speaker 5: they get another injury. So if we were in a

2307
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:50,760
Speaker 5: controlled situation, then that would be eating but unfortunately, athletics

2308
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:55,280
Speaker 5: and playing games and even practice is not a controlled situation.

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01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:58,240
Speaker 3: You're the best, it is.

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01:53:58,280 --> 01:54:01,080
Speaker 2: Bob man Jean from the University of Sinna and novacare, Bob,

2311
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:04,960
Speaker 2: enjoy the shootout. Best of luck and uh you know,

2312
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:06,520
Speaker 2: good luck to the Steelers.

2313
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 5: You and Austin coming over to shootout tomorrow.

2314
01:54:09,479 --> 01:54:10,040
Speaker 3: Bob, I don't.

2315
01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:13,120
Speaker 2: I told myself two years ago, I'm not going back

2316
01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:15,360
Speaker 2: to the Centas for the shootout just because mentally, you

2317
01:54:15,360 --> 01:54:17,200
Speaker 2: want to talk about mental health. It's not a good

2318
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:20,839
Speaker 2: place for my mental health. But as we get closer,

2319
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:25,160
Speaker 2: what do you mental health? That's why more and more

2320
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:26,080
Speaker 2: about you.

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01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:28,280
Speaker 5: We have a won there for like quite a while.

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01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:30,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was it. You were like twenty five, weren't you.

2323
01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:35,560
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Bob, I'll come if you can get

2324
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:37,040
Speaker 3: me a seat at the end of the bench right

2325
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:39,920
Speaker 3: there next to you. Austin's got some things he wants to.

2326
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:44,360
Speaker 5: Talk about time. You're more than welcome to over and

2327
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:45,120
Speaker 5: sit with us.

2328
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:48,040
Speaker 3: I love it, Bob, You're the best man. Thanks so much.

2329
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:51,920
Speaker 5: Okay, guys, have a good weekend and I'll see you

2330
01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:53,280
Speaker 5: next week.

2331
01:54:53,320 --> 01:54:53,640
Speaker 3: Let's go.

2332
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:56,400
Speaker 2: That is Bob man Jean, the University of Cincinnati and

2333
01:54:56,440 --> 01:54:58,640
Speaker 2: novacare from traveling to the game, walking to your seats

2334
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Speaker 2: and partaking in postgame celebration, and your body can take

2335
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Speaker 2: Novercare Rehabilitation. They understand how important it is for fans

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01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:08,320
Speaker 2: to be there to root for their team to the

2338
01:55:08,360 --> 01:55:10,000
Speaker 2: power physical there. But you don't need to let X

2339
01:55:10,040 --> 01:55:11,920
Speaker 2: pains or injuries keep you from the game. Find a

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2343
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:26,880
Speaker 3: Station, you've got to be welcome back.

2344
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Speaker 2: Since E three sixty Mowagger joins us in just a

2345
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Speaker 2: few moments.

2346
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Speaker 3: Quick hits coming up.

2347
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:39,000
Speaker 2: Thanks to Penn station here and hour number three. Is

2348
01:55:39,040 --> 01:55:39,920
Speaker 2: it cold out Austin?

2349
01:55:41,080 --> 01:55:41,600
Speaker 1: Uh?

2350
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:43,600
Speaker 3: What's the temperature right now? This is it as cold

2351
01:55:43,600 --> 01:55:48,440
Speaker 3: as people are are saying. I know it feels I

2352
01:55:48,440 --> 01:55:51,720
Speaker 3: got thirty two degrees on my phone, but I know not.

2353
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like people are reacting more and more

2354
01:55:55,560 --> 01:55:57,080
Speaker 2: to cold than in years past.

2355
01:55:57,640 --> 01:56:00,800
Speaker 3: People are soft. It's just a soft name. Hey, this

2356
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:04,160
Speaker 3: is the thing, man, Like, we live in this city

2357
01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:06,760
Speaker 3: and in this part of the country. It happens, and

2358
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:09,960
Speaker 3: we have been through this. It's gonna be cold every

2359
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:13,720
Speaker 3: single year. Yeah, the feels like temperature. According to our

2360
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:19,720
Speaker 3: friend Jennifer Catchmark, twenty six degrees. That's chili. That's not cold. Correct?

2361
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:24,080
Speaker 2: Cold is? I think twenty and below. I just wanted

2362
01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:25,960
Speaker 2: to get that out there. A lot of people talking

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Speaker 2: about cold thirty two degrees and partly sunny. Yeah, enjoy

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Speaker 2: a day like this today, Lee, enjoy celebrate it.

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Speaker 3: You can celebrate now. I will say it's supposed to

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01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:38,480
Speaker 3: be a cold snap coming.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 3: I heard with the single digit.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was looking at that because tonight Austin the

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Speaker 2: Anderson Raptors. It's right, they try to avenge last year's

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Speaker 2: loss by winning. That's a seven o'clock kickoff tonight, low

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Speaker 2: of fifteen up in Canton, up in Canton, Ohio.

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Speaker 3: That's not that bad. Last year was pretty well, it

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01:57:01,400 --> 01:57:04,000
Speaker 3: was pretty rough for those guys last year. Yeah, it

2375
01:57:04,080 --> 01:57:04,480
Speaker 3: was brutal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but good luck to Anderson tonight, good luck to

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Speaker 2: Saint X tomorrow. It is not cold outside. It ain't

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Speaker 2: cold outside. Also, it is championship weekend in college football.

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01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:20,400
Speaker 2: Tomorrow night's Sunbelt Championship Troy against James Madison. Conference USA

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01:57:20,440 --> 01:57:22,520
Speaker 2: title is on the line. American Championship is on the

2381
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Speaker 2: line along with the Mountain West, and then on Saturday

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01:57:25,360 --> 01:57:28,080
Speaker 2: you get the Big twelve, you get the MAC, the SEC,

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01:57:28,280 --> 01:57:32,920
Speaker 2: the Big Ten, and the ACC Championship. It is a

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01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:37,600
Speaker 2: fantastic sports weekend with the Shootout college football Friday, an

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01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:41,040
Speaker 2: awesome Slate on Saturday, and Bengals Bills Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Can I give you a couple of Nuggets Tonight's Thursday

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01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:48,240
Speaker 3: night football matchup? Yes, the Lions have not lost back

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01:57:48,280 --> 01:57:51,720
Speaker 3: to back games since twenty twenty two. They're fourteen to

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01:57:51,800 --> 01:57:55,480
Speaker 3: zero after lost since twenty twenty two, and tonight it's

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Speaker 3: a wide out in Detroit, Oh. So do without what

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01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:00,440
Speaker 3: you have to correct, do with that what you have

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Speaker 3: to That's right, Molager joins us now is next for

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Speaker 3: kids thanks to Penn Station since e three to sixty,

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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 15: Station WCKY Cincinnati, and iHeartRadio Station Guaranteed Human ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 15: thirty I Hard Radio.

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Speaker 3: From the Stacey Heating temp Star Weather Center, here's your forecast.

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Speaker 3: This report is Sponsoredvice super Sure for Leads.

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Speaker 27: Mostly cloudy skuys this afternoon and very cold highs around thirty.

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Speaker 27: Temperatures would drop into the twenties around dinner time, then

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Speaker 27: a deep freeze overnight near fifteen by Friday morning. We'll

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Speaker 27: rebound into the mid thirties Friday afternoon and just as

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01:58:42,520 --> 01:58:46,480
Speaker 27: cold Saturday with highs in the upper thirties. That's the forecast.

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Speaker 27: I'm nine first one of meteorologist kJ Jacobs for since.

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Speaker 15: The three sixty quickts on ESPN.

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Speaker 3: Fifteen thirty was looking for mo.

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Speaker 2: It was in the building Thursday afternoon. Hey, getting ready

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01:58:57,800 --> 01:58:59,960
Speaker 2: for the mo Aggars show. A little quieter here today.

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Speaker 2: It is a little quieter for your show. It is

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01:59:01,960 --> 01:59:04,320
Speaker 2: a little quieter. Have you been to the conference room

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01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:07,120
Speaker 2: where all the leftovers are I have. It's a good

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01:59:07,160 --> 01:59:08,720
Speaker 2: place to be. They want to stop by. It's a

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01:59:08,720 --> 01:59:11,600
Speaker 2: good spot to be. The Thursday edition of the Malaga

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01:59:11,800 --> 01:59:13,280
Speaker 2: Show in just a few minutes. What do you got

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01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:13,880
Speaker 2: coming up today?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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01:59:14,280 --> 01:59:16,800
Speaker 10: It has been said that Cincinnati's Crosstown Shoe At is

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01:59:16,840 --> 01:59:19,240
Speaker 10: one of the most intense basketball rivalries in the country,

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01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:21,240
Speaker 10: and because of that, it has had its share of

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01:59:21,320 --> 01:59:24,600
Speaker 10: unglamorous moments. But beneath the drama, there have always been

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01:59:24,640 --> 01:59:28,480
Speaker 10: glimpses of something rare mutual aspect, yeah, human depth, and

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01:59:28,520 --> 01:59:31,400
Speaker 10: a rivalry that, at its best brought out the best

2423
01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:34,880
Speaker 10: in those involved. As Bob Hugginson skip Prosser. One showed

2424
01:59:35,400 --> 01:59:38,000
Speaker 10: Huggins the grizzled general with a glare sharp enough to

2425
01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:41,640
Speaker 10: ben referees could intimidate opposing coaches like they were grand

2426
01:59:41,640 --> 01:59:45,400
Speaker 10: assistants in over their heels. Yet with Prosser, something different happened.

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01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:48,520
Speaker 10: Prosser saw in Huggins what Huggins players always saw, a

2428
01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:51,200
Speaker 10: coach who cared deeply about the person behind the stats.

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01:59:51,480 --> 01:59:55,200
Speaker 10: Because Prosser recognized that the real Huggins emerged warmth and

2430
01:59:55,320 --> 01:59:59,040
Speaker 10: dignity reserve for those rare rivals who truly understood him.

2431
02:00:00,120 --> 02:00:04,000
Speaker 10: I am reading the first two paragraphs from something that

2432
02:00:04,040 --> 02:00:06,600
Speaker 10: I have tried to read about ten times since last night.

2433
02:00:06,640 --> 02:00:10,200
Speaker 10: There is a piece on Cincinnati dot com from opinion

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02:00:10,280 --> 02:00:14,240
Speaker 10: contributor Dennis Doyle. Dennis, I don't know who Dennis is. Yeah,

2435
02:00:14,280 --> 02:00:18,280
Speaker 10: I'm sure Dennis is a very nice man. I could

2436
02:00:18,360 --> 02:00:20,800
Speaker 10: keep going, and maybe if I do, you guys can

2437
02:00:20,840 --> 02:00:22,800
Speaker 10: tell me what point this man was trying to make.

2438
02:00:22,840 --> 02:00:25,640
Speaker 3: I've read it twice. Yeah, I still don't understand it.

2439
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:28,840
Speaker 3: I read this last night. It was late, and I'm

2440
02:00:28,880 --> 02:00:30,760
Speaker 3: just so you think, like last night, maybe my brain's

2441
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:32,560
Speaker 3: just not functioning. Yes, I'm tired.

2442
02:00:33,720 --> 02:00:35,200
Speaker 10: I'll wake up in the morning, I'll read it again,

2443
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:38,040
Speaker 10: and I'm like my man, Dennis, I don't know, I don't.

2444
02:00:38,240 --> 02:00:41,600
Speaker 3: It's the fierce nature, but also the respect that makes

2445
02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:42,640
Speaker 3: this rivalry great.

2446
02:00:42,640 --> 02:00:45,560
Speaker 10: The intimidating Huggins found his foil and a philosopher coach

2447
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:50,600
Speaker 10: who disarmed him. In Prosser's presence, the curmudgeon revealed a

2448
02:00:50,720 --> 02:00:55,120
Speaker 10: best self some doubted existed, and Prosser, in turn, seems

2449
02:00:55,120 --> 02:00:58,080
Speaker 10: sharper and steadier when sparring with the para cat king man.

2450
02:00:58,360 --> 02:01:02,240
Speaker 10: Together they transformed up blood feud into a strange fellowship,

2451
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:05,560
Speaker 10: proving that even in Cincinnati, a basketball rivalry could be

2452
02:01:05,600 --> 02:01:07,320
Speaker 10: both fierce and redemptive.

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02:01:07,440 --> 02:01:07,680
Speaker 3: Wow.

2454
02:01:07,880 --> 02:01:11,200
Speaker 10: Prosser would walk into the press room and leave everyone

2455
02:01:11,280 --> 02:01:15,080
Speaker 10: smiling even after a loss. He quoted Yates, cracked jokes,

2456
02:01:15,120 --> 02:01:18,200
Speaker 10: and treated the game as both competition and community. Against Huggins,

2457
02:01:18,240 --> 02:01:22,360
Speaker 10: has warmth sharpened, not soften the rivalry. Prosser's teams played

2458
02:01:22,360 --> 02:01:25,800
Speaker 10: with discipline and joy, forcing Huggins to respect not just

2459
02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:29,000
Speaker 10: the scoreboard but the spirit behind it. In a rivalry

2460
02:01:29,080 --> 02:01:34,520
Speaker 10: often defined by taunts and elbows, Prosser reminded Cincinnati that

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Speaker 10: basketball could be ferocious yet Ennobling.

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02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:41,960
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. Here's what's happening, Ennobling, what the

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02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:42,600
Speaker 2: world saws.

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Speaker 10: Curmudgeon was in truth from a man of depth and soul,

2465
02:01:45,600 --> 02:01:48,680
Speaker 10: something Prosser and Huggins players recognized long before the rest

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Speaker 10: of us.

2467
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Speaker 3: Can I finish? I've been keep God, I've read this much. Please.

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Speaker 10: Their shared legacy is the paradox of Cincinnati basketball. Fire

2469
02:01:57,120 --> 02:02:01,200
Speaker 10: and grace, Huggins and body toughness. Prosser and the rivalry

2470
02:02:01,200 --> 02:02:05,320
Speaker 10: mirrored the city gritty at generous, combative, yet communal. When

2471
02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:07,960
Speaker 10: Prosser passed in two thousand and seven, Huggins tributes revealed

2472
02:02:07,960 --> 02:02:09,920
Speaker 10: the hidden truth beneath the scow as a coach who

2473
02:02:09,960 --> 02:02:13,680
Speaker 10: valued dignity as much as victory. As the rivalry moves

2474
02:02:13,720 --> 02:02:16,360
Speaker 10: into the present, this year's Crosstown shootout carries all the

2475
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:20,640
Speaker 10: fire fans expect. Does it also carries a subtler hope

2476
02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:24,840
Speaker 10: the lessons of Huggins and Prosser. Indoor competition need not

2477
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:28,960
Speaker 10: to raise character. Toughness can coexist with care in every

2478
02:02:29,000 --> 02:02:32,839
Speaker 10: past defensive stand and moment of hustle. The truest victory

2479
02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:36,240
Speaker 10: is caring forward the dignity and respect they showed each other.

2480
02:02:36,600 --> 02:02:40,160
Speaker 10: Here's hoping Xavier as Richard Patino and Cincinnati's West Miller

2481
02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:42,720
Speaker 10: not only play to win, but also play with that

2482
02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:46,080
Speaker 10: same integrity. So the Crosstown shootout remains a rivalry worth

2483
02:02:46,080 --> 02:02:49,480
Speaker 10: respecting and above all, a rivalry that is fun to watch.

2484
02:02:49,480 --> 02:02:51,480
Speaker 2: If that doesn't get us our recognition we deserve from

2485
02:02:51,520 --> 02:02:53,480
Speaker 2: the Inquirer, I don't know what will.

2486
02:02:53,720 --> 02:02:56,560
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Richard Patino said this week, my guys literally do

2487
02:02:56,640 --> 02:02:58,600
Speaker 3: not care about the history of the rivalry. Yeah, just

2488
02:02:58,640 --> 02:03:01,560
Speaker 3: another week. So I want to have Dennis Doyle.

2489
02:03:01,640 --> 02:03:04,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what I'm gonna do. Austin cut

2490
02:03:04,200 --> 02:03:06,320
Speaker 2: that from me and said it to me, we're not

2491
02:03:06,440 --> 02:03:08,120
Speaker 2: reading the night before Christmas this year?

2492
02:03:08,920 --> 02:03:12,320
Speaker 3: Where were we reading that? At the Pipe household. That's

2493
02:03:12,360 --> 02:03:14,360
Speaker 3: the first time, like I had started reading it and

2494
02:03:14,360 --> 02:03:16,320
Speaker 3: I got distracted. This is the first time I heard

2495
02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:18,720
Speaker 3: the like the full thing. Yeah, And at first I

2496
02:03:18,760 --> 02:03:20,680
Speaker 3: thought I knew where he was going. But you're right,

2497
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:23,760
Speaker 3: at some point, I'm like, what is he trying to say?

2498
02:03:23,880 --> 02:03:27,400
Speaker 3: I don't know Dennis Doyle personally. I've never heard of him.

2499
02:03:27,400 --> 02:03:28,360
Speaker 3: I don't know who he is.

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02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:30,760
Speaker 10: I don't know if he's a professional writer, but like,

2501
02:03:30,840 --> 02:03:33,280
Speaker 10: whenever I read something, I'm like, I try to imagine

2502
02:03:33,320 --> 02:03:35,200
Speaker 10: what was he thinking when he came up with the idea.

2503
02:03:35,240 --> 02:03:36,680
Speaker 3: What was Dennis doing when he's like, you know what

2504
02:03:36,720 --> 02:03:37,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do?

2505
02:03:37,440 --> 02:03:37,520
Speaker 4: Ye?

2506
02:03:37,800 --> 02:03:40,320
Speaker 10: Right about this year shootout? This is by putting together

2507
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:43,080
Speaker 10: about eight hundred words of word salad about Bob Huggins

2508
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:43,879
Speaker 10: and Skip Prosser.

2509
02:03:45,320 --> 02:03:47,440
Speaker 3: Here we are. It's unbelievable.

2510
02:03:47,480 --> 02:03:50,480
Speaker 10: Brian Anderson is calling this year Skyline Chili Grosstown Shootout.

2511
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:55,200
Speaker 10: He'll join us at five oh five FORDNTBA Okay, who's

2512
02:03:55,200 --> 02:03:57,160
Speaker 10: really good at what he does, so we're looking forward

2513
02:03:57,200 --> 02:04:00,800
Speaker 10: to that. Also, we have on the show today Lee Sterling,

2514
02:04:00,920 --> 02:04:03,959
Speaker 10: Chad Brendle on the Bearcats will join us. Robert Wintrub

2515
02:04:04,040 --> 02:04:07,880
Speaker 10: Cincinnati Magazine as well. At four to twenty. We also

2516
02:04:08,240 --> 02:04:11,920
Speaker 10: have on our show from the National Football League, And

2517
02:04:11,960 --> 02:04:14,360
Speaker 10: I know you're really excited about this from the NFL,

2518
02:04:14,480 --> 02:04:18,000
Speaker 10: Hans Schroeder. Yes, he is the executive vice president of

2519
02:04:18,160 --> 02:04:19,080
Speaker 10: Media Distribution.

2520
02:04:19,440 --> 02:04:19,680
Speaker 4: Oh.

2521
02:04:19,720 --> 02:04:21,600
Speaker 10: Basically, he's going to come on the show to take

2522
02:04:21,640 --> 02:04:23,800
Speaker 10: a victory lap because of how many viewers the Ravens

2523
02:04:23,840 --> 02:04:24,640
Speaker 10: Bengals game had.

2524
02:04:25,320 --> 02:04:26,640
Speaker 3: Dan Laskins will be on with this.

2525
02:04:26,840 --> 02:04:29,120
Speaker 10: Hans is also like he works on the schedule, So

2526
02:04:29,160 --> 02:04:31,200
Speaker 10: I'm gonna ask him, like, hey, next year, what Thursday,

2527
02:04:31,200 --> 02:04:32,520
Speaker 10: the Bengal's going to play the Ravens.

2528
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:35,480
Speaker 2: In Baltimore, the Dolphins game coming, They're going to be

2529
02:04:35,480 --> 02:04:37,000
Speaker 2: flexed out? Is that gonna be flexed out? Are they

2530
02:04:37,040 --> 02:04:37,959
Speaker 2: going to keep that bat?

2531
02:04:38,520 --> 02:04:41,720
Speaker 10: Hans is from Cincinnati, I might ask him if he

2532
02:04:41,800 --> 02:04:47,000
Speaker 10: read Cincinnati dot Com Dennis Doyles thought provoking piece.

2533
02:04:48,600 --> 02:04:50,720
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I can't think of any Sorry, i can't

2534
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:51,080
Speaker 3: think of it.

2535
02:04:51,160 --> 02:04:55,320
Speaker 2: The scene from Billy Madison where I listened to that

2536
02:04:55,400 --> 02:04:58,280
Speaker 2: and yet I don't feel any smarter than what I

2537
02:04:58,400 --> 02:04:59,000
Speaker 2: was going in.

2538
02:04:59,480 --> 02:05:00,600
Speaker 3: I tweeted it.

2539
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:03,520
Speaker 10: A lot of people like didn't click on the thing,

2540
02:05:04,200 --> 02:05:06,560
Speaker 10: and so what I was asking was, can somebody explain

2541
02:05:06,600 --> 02:05:08,480
Speaker 10: what this man is trying to.

2542
02:05:08,600 --> 02:05:10,640
Speaker 3: Because I'm Have you gotten an answer yet?

2543
02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:10,840
Speaker 4: No?

2544
02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:13,800
Speaker 10: And look, it may be me because I'm dumb. I look,

2545
02:05:14,040 --> 02:05:19,200
Speaker 10: I get it, dumb communications major like I'm not when

2546
02:05:19,240 --> 02:05:21,320
Speaker 10: we were in those like college classes where we read

2547
02:05:21,400 --> 02:05:26,320
Speaker 10: like high end literature over my head, I have covered

2548
02:05:26,480 --> 02:05:29,760
Speaker 10: my guy. Dennis Doyle perhaps could be making a point

2549
02:05:29,800 --> 02:05:34,520
Speaker 10: that is just for a simpleton like me to grasp.

2550
02:05:34,600 --> 02:05:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if anyone out there can maybe clear

2551
02:05:36,640 --> 02:05:40,160
Speaker 2: it up. I don't know, and if so, take a call.

2552
02:05:40,280 --> 02:05:42,920
Speaker 2: So I read this. Now there's something else that happened.

2553
02:05:42,920 --> 02:05:44,080
Speaker 2: I got to talk about what happened.

2554
02:05:44,200 --> 02:05:47,960
Speaker 10: Went to the NKU game, Norse up being Cleveland State,

2555
02:05:48,080 --> 02:05:51,320
Speaker 10: nice six straight wins when the Horizon League opener.

2556
02:05:52,120 --> 02:05:53,800
Speaker 3: Playing very well. Darren Horn's got him going.

2557
02:05:53,880 --> 02:05:56,040
Speaker 10: Darren Horn has a really nice, fun to watch team.

2558
02:05:56,080 --> 02:05:59,240
Speaker 10: They play up and down, really good offensively. And uh,

2559
02:05:59,360 --> 02:06:03,880
Speaker 10: you know, I I stuck around after the game. My

2560
02:06:03,960 --> 02:06:07,000
Speaker 10: friend Shandon minor Son plays on yours and Mitchell since

2561
02:06:07,040 --> 02:06:08,360
Speaker 10: he was a little kid, so I wanted to say

2562
02:06:08,520 --> 02:06:09,000
Speaker 10: hi to him.

2563
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:10,560
Speaker 3: And as as it was.

2564
02:06:10,520 --> 02:06:13,560
Speaker 10: Doing so, Darren Horn was conducting his postgame interview with

2565
02:06:13,640 --> 02:06:16,520
Speaker 10: Rick Boring and Jim Kelch and when he wrapped up

2566
02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:20,280
Speaker 10: his responsibilities, he saw me and he comes over and says, hey, Mo,

2567
02:06:20,440 --> 02:06:22,240
Speaker 10: hope you had fun at the game, And I said yes,

2568
02:06:22,280 --> 02:06:24,840
Speaker 10: and then he shook my hand and then he kind

2569
02:06:24,840 --> 02:06:28,600
Speaker 10: of pulled me in a little closer. Oh, and I'm like,

2570
02:06:28,720 --> 02:06:31,560
Speaker 10: where's this going, Darren Horn. Darren's been on our show

2571
02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:33,920
Speaker 10: The Good Guys, on our March Madness show, before it

2572
02:06:33,960 --> 02:06:35,800
Speaker 10: pulls me in and he doesn't like get that close,

2573
02:06:35,880 --> 02:06:37,120
Speaker 10: but he looks at me and I could tell like

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Speaker 10: he had something on his mind, this pained expression on

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Speaker 10: his face.

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Speaker 3: I thought, like, have I said something about m kau

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Speaker 3: And I said you think immediately? Yeah, like what did

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Speaker 3: I do? And he looks at me and he's like, mo,

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Speaker 3: can I ask you a question? And that's never good.

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Speaker 10: And he looks at me and there's a slide pause

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Speaker 10: and he says, why does Austin Elmore hate me?

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Speaker 3: I can see it?

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Speaker 10: And I said, coach doesn't hate you. He's like, well,

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Speaker 10: he loves his alma mater, Sure loves beating the chest

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Speaker 10: of a proud n k U alum, but he doesn't

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Speaker 10: come watch my team play.

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Speaker 3: That's a good point. I think it's a reflection of me.

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Speaker 3: And I said, Coach Austin.

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Speaker 10: Raising a familylamb, He's got a lot going on it.

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Speaker 4: So I just.

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Speaker 10: Astin, if you have to smooth things over with coach

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Speaker 10: Horn because he thinks you hate them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll have to. I have to work on that.

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Speaker 2: I'll have to reach out to Darren. Yeah, yeah, maybe

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Speaker 2: get to a game. Was that was the fan? But

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Speaker 2: was it a good atmosphere. Do you see Oakland's coach

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Speaker 2: come out and call out the student sectually? Can't I

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Speaker 2: when when n K you beat you C and Northern.

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Speaker 10: Kentucky University fans and alums got mad at me for

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Speaker 10: saying this. My takeaway was that was an awesome atmosphere.

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Speaker 10: I hated that U SEE lost, but I said, I

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Speaker 10: hope a lot of people went to that game and said,

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Speaker 10: you know what, I'm gonna come back. Yes, every time

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Speaker 10: I have gone to an NKU game since, I wonder

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Speaker 10: how many of those people took me up on it,

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Speaker 10: including that program. I do not I don't tell people

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Speaker 10: what to do with their free time and money, but

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Speaker 10: I do think that it's it's puzzling to me that

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Speaker 10: there were like six students in the student.

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Speaker 3: Section last night.

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Speaker 10: They were given away a fifty five inch television Wow,

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02:08:26,720 --> 02:08:29,400
Speaker 10: and still couldn't get more than Literally like six kids

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Speaker 10: had a one and six chance winning the damn TV.

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Speaker 10: I don't understand good school, good alumni base love basketball.

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Speaker 2: Nobody goes good p I don't.

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Speaker 10: And again this isn't blaming anybody. I go to those

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Speaker 10: games and I don't go to a ton I admit that,

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Speaker 10: but when I go, it's like more people should be here,

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02:08:50,840 --> 02:08:54,080
Speaker 10: more people should be here. And uh, I thought that's

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Speaker 10: what Darren was gonna ask me about.

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Speaker 3: And no, no, no, he.

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Speaker 2: Wanted to know about Austin. Ye, so that's fair. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if there's beef I forethought, Austin. I hope

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Speaker 2: you take that to heart and think about that in

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Speaker 2: the next few hours.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's why Darren didn't come on the show earlier

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Speaker 3: this year. That could be since you hate him, we're done.

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Speaker 3: You come to my game. I'll come on your show. Wow.

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