WEBVTT - 10-14-25 The Nightcap with Gary Jeff Walker 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:06.640 Thank you for joining us for another nightcab not SEVENDLW 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:11.600 twoesday night. Gary Jeff Walker's stepping in great to be 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:16.080 with you tonight until midnight. President Trump back on American soil, 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.840 back to doing the job that he does tirelessly, whether 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:24.840 it's in Tel Aviv or shamor l Shake, Egypt, or 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:29.160 anywhere else in the world. And bye God. Thank you 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:31.800 for all of the wonderful work here at home, President 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:36.080 Trump as he continues to try and forge peace around 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:42.520 the world and make American citizens' lives better every single day. 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:46.640 That's my own personal view of it. You may have 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:49.720 a different one, and that's fine. Tell you about the 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:53.599 show tonight. We're going to do something special at ten 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.400 oh five that I usually don't do. It's a repeat, 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:00.279 but it's not a repeat from a nightcap. I'd an 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:04.399 email at Gary Jeff Walker at seven hundred WLW dot com, 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:06.399 where you can reach me any time. By the way, 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.680 from a listener who doesn't quite get up early enough 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:14.360 on Saturday morning to hear my segments with the music 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:18.640 professor Jim Lebarber the Rock and Roll Archaeology Well tonight 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:24.119 at ten oh five. By request, I will replay this 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:31.240 past Saturdays brilliance of the prof and not so brilliant 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:35.560 part of me playing music and the stories behind the 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:37.560 music from the week that was. 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:38.280 See. 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.520 The thing is, we can't air rock and Roll Archaeology 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:43.959 on the podcast, so it's not like they can go 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:46.240 back and listen to it later like the rest of 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:52.200 the program because of licensing rules and rags, and we're 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:55.560 not licensed to broadcast music on a podcast. We can 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:59.200 on the air. So tonight I am re airing Saturday 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:04.280 Mornings rock and Roll Archaeology, and again, Audrey, I hope 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.520 you enjoy it. If you didn't get a chance to 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:08.800 hear it yourself, I hope you get a chance to 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.880 tune in just after the news at ten tonight for 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:17.239 that first up, Mark Jones from Gun Owners of America 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:27.399 on how banks seem to be decashing the Second Amendment. 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.960 Details coming up in just a few moments. We'll also 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.760 have Nick Bryant, who was a journalist and an author 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:38.480 who has most recently been working on the Epstein case 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:43.000 and the people who have been trafficked to victims and 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:47.799 how they still don't have justice and why are we 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:52.800 being are they being obstructed from justice by state and 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:59.280 federal authorities even into the Trump administration. Scott Serrah are 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:04.040 Amazing Grace's dad. He claims his daughter was murdered in 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:09.960 a hospital in Wisconsin and had an illegal DNR put 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.960 on her when the family and Grace had not asked 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.400 for a DNR and they basically killed her with drugs, 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:22.520 all under the auspice of COVID. Back in twenty twenty one, 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.120 Andy Furman a little bit of sports for the Out 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:31.240 of Sorts before Midnight and Kenneth Abramowitz the latest on Gaza. 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:37.120 On the peace that seems to be holding, at least 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.120 in process. We don't know what's going to happen down 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:44.200 the road with Middle East peace, but some insights from 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.000 a guy who has been tracking it very very closely. 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:51.240 But first up, Mark Jones from Gun Owners of America. Yeah, 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.840 you got the Second Amendment in the Constitution, the right 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:57.600 given to us by God ensured to be protected by 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:01.360 the government. But are the banks taking an end to 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:05.520 a round to end your right to own and bear firearms? 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:12.840 That's next on the Nightcap. Again, First up on the Nightcap, 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:17.159 Mark Jones, who's the national director and national spokesperson for 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:21.400 Gun Owners of America and Gun Owners Foundation. We got 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:28.040 GOA and GoF covered there. Marx's certified Wildlife biologist, began 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:31.919 working for GOA over four years ago after retiring from government, 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:35.920 where he had thirty years of experience performing wildlife research, 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:41.159 publishing peer reviewed scientific papers, managing wildlife resources, working with 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:46.240 hunters and recreational shooters, supervising and mentoring other pros, and 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:51.640 engaging in legislative issues and governmental policy, especially as regards 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:56.279 his Second Amendment. Mark founded and currently leads Gun Owners 0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:01.800 of America's National Hunter Outreach Program, known as an Amendment Hunters. Mark, 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:03.520 Welcome to the program. How are you. 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:06.719 I'm doing great, Garry. It's great to be on your 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:07.479 show this morning. 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.040 It's fantastic to have you here tonight. 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:11.800 All right. 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:16.200 Yeah. The mission that you have for the Gone Owners 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.880 of American National Hunter Outreach Program is to engage and 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:24.440 involve America's sixteen million plus hunters in the fight to 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:28.080 protect the Second Amendment and the American hunting traditions. And 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.799 I know that former Vice presidential candidate Tim Walls claimed 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:33.640 he was a hunter. Have you been in touch with him? 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:33.960 Mark? 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:36.120 Yeah? 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.839 Yeah, I know you say that in jest, and you 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.080 know We understand it goa that the Second Amendment wasn't 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.039 written for hunting, but our motto was hunters, you know, 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:48.080 should care about the Second Amendment, and we try to 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.239 engage him in this political fight. In the last election, 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.839 we identified that in some states, as particularly swing states, 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:58.960 as many as half the hunters weren't even registered to vote. 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:02.600 So we worked really hard to educate hunters, get them 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.120 registered to vote, and get them to come vote their values, 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:07.880 and we actually think that made a difference in the 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.880 last election in swing states like Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.719 You know, Tim Walltz does what all Democrats do. He 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.320 pretends to be a hunter, he pretends to care about 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.800 the Second Amendment. But most people saw through that. You know, 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:23.160 in the last election, do. 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:28.320 You remember the infamous John Kerry goose hunting story that 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:32.320 they tried to push absolutely. 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.560 You know, the Democrats do it every election. Bill Clinton 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.520 went duck hunting in nineteen ninety two and made a 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:43.000 big deal out of it. They always tell sportsmen sportswomen 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.640 that they care about hunting, they care about the Second Amendment. 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.360 Then they get in office and they work the pass 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:49.080 gun control. 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:54.560 You know, I've often wondered if sometimes gun control, which 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:59.680 is really people control, as you well know, sometimes I 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:04.440 want under if presidents like Obama or Clinton or any 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:09.840 of the others who have tried to diminish or infringe 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.760 upon our Second Amendment rights as Americans, I wonder if 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:19.800 they secretly have stock in gun manufacturers and ammunition, because 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.960 the sales always go up when someone like that is 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.440 in office. You know, they're like record setting sales of 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:30.520 guns and ammo when you've got an anti Second Amendment president. 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.000 Isn't that true? Doesn't that track pretty much the way 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:33.840 it rolls? 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:39.160 It absolutely does. During Obama's second term, when he finally 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:43.840 started working for gun control, gun sales hit record levels. 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:47.880 And that also happened under Biden. And what we see 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.080 now is what we call the Trump slump, where people 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.720 are kind of relaxed, and I think they shouldn't be 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.960 relaxing because the Democrats are not stopping to come after 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.000 our guns. But Trump got elected. In a lot of tradition, 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.360 Americans says, you know, everything's okay, we don't need to worry. 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.480 Political activism kind of dropped a little bit so to 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.560 gun sales. But you're absolutely right when the Democrats get 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.800 in and push gun control. It always increases the sales 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:15.720 of firearms and ammunition. 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.520 It always reminds me of and I know you go 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:23.880 back this far, but I remember, at least as a kid, 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:29.120 seeing these pictures of people burning Beatles records because you know, 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.160 they were evil, and they were and and and all 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:36.600 it did was double and triple the record sales. Exactly. 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.520 Wherever you try and ban something or claim you're going 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:44.239 to it always makes it more appealing to more people. Ultimately, 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.880 but there's there's nothing more appealing than having the right 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:53.280 to defend yourself and your family, especially in a violent world. Right. 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:58.319 Oh absolutely. And we've seen it lightly with the political 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:03.319 violence that we're saying, Charlie Kirk assassination, with church attacks, 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:08.040 and it's always crazy that when these things happen, the 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.080 first thing the Democrats do is call for gun control, 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:15.560 call for controlling the rights of law abiding citizens. And 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.640 most Americans are beginning to resist that. I know. There's 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:22.959 a recent poll from to two reputable organizations that showed 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.200 that most Americans support the Second Amendment. That the President 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:32.760 has you know, signaled strong Second Amendment support, not necessarily 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:36.160 his attorney general, but he has that's been very popular. 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:40.880 So I think that the message the Democrats are pushing 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.959 is failing right now because most traditional Americans kind of 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:44.640 see through. 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:49.560 It well and they still touch the fact that gun 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:55.280 violence is killing people, and especially in these large Democrats cities, 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.439 you know where that is pro and you know in 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:04.520 Cincinnati here, the mayor of this town continually talk every 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:06.880 time there's a shooting and a killing on the streets 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.000 of Cincinnati, he talks about how it's unacceptable that we've 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:15.920 got this gun violence. Rampant violence is violence, no matter 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:22.480 what you commit that act with, it's people violence, and 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.200 that's where the focus should be. It should be on 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:28.040 the criminals, not on the tools they use. 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.719 Well. Absolutely, And I saw a headline last week there 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.240 was a mass stabbing in a church in England where 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.920 they pretty much disarmed most law abiding people. Yeah, so 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.160 you know, bad people, mad min are going to do 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.280 bad things no matter what. And you know, we have 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.800 a constitution, the American people have, you know, we have 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.520 a god given right to protect ourselves. It's enshrined in 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:56.480 the Constitution in the Second Amendment. And if you look 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.400 at the statistics from the FBI, from the Crime Prevention 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:03.000 Research Council. A lot of violence happens in what are 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.800 called gun free zones, where law abouting people are disarmed. 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.479 Where I live in Wyoming, we pretty much have eliminated 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.400 gun free zones. You can carry a gun practically anywhere 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.760 if you're a law abouting citizen. We don't see these 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.440 kinds of things that you see in places like Chicago. 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:19.719 You know, a few years ago, Chicago, which has the 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.559 worst gun control in the country, it was more dangerous 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:28.120 than Afghanistan getting murdered. So yeah, gun control doesn't fix 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:29.960 the problem absolutely. 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.760 Like I've I've I've had I've had Stephen Williford, who 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.400 works with you on the air multiple times. I've had 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.760 a guy named Dan Was who was the author of 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.480 a Good Gunbadguy dot Com, the book series. He is 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.920 an avn't supporter of the Secondmendment and and gunnos of 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:57.960 America too. Uh. And we've talked before about how I 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.000 lost my total train of thought. But we've talked before 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:05.600 about how if you go to a gun show or 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:09.240 a massive gun event where gun owners from all over 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.920 the country and hunters from all the country are attending 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.000 this gun show, you know, if guns were the problem, 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:18.680 wouldn't there be a bloody massacre at these gun shows 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.439 where there's all kinds of gun owners and all kinds 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:26.439 of guns and ammunition there and people are test firing guns. 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.360 Wouldn't there be murder and mayhem at these things if 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:30.440 guns were the problem? 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:35.480 Mark absolutely, Gary, And you know we see that, you know, 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:39.400 all over the country. You know, statistics prove that that 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:43.280 depending on the years you look at, about ninety percent 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:46.920 plus of mass shootings in this country happen and get 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.640 what are called gun free zones where law abiding people 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:53.760 are not supposed to take a fire. And we've got 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:58.040 states like Wyoming, Idaho, others in the West where we've 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.960 pretty much eliminated those gun free zone and you don't 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:04.240 see mass shootings, you know, because criminals and mad men 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:08.240 know they're going to encounter armed resistance, they look for 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.480 soft targets to coll aorade. A theater shooter a few 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.680 years ago as a good example. In his in the writings, 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:16.920 he wrote he passed I think eight theaters that allowed 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.200 lawbiding concealed Carrie to go to the one theater in 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.680 the area that had a gun for his own sign. 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:27.600 Yeah that was that was an Aurora, Colorado's I remember, 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:28.160 wasn't it. 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.720 I think so, And so he chose a soft target 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.240 where law abiding people were disarmed. So the idea that 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:40.840 you can legislate, you know, violence is ridiculous. And like 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.720 I said earlier, with the mass stabbing in the in 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:47.040 the synagogue and of the church in Great Britain last week, 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:49.720 crazy people are going to do crazy things and I 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:53.240 choose to exercise my Second Amendment rights, you know, to 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:54.920 protect myself and my family. 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:59.080 Well, after the UK basically disarmed, as you mentioned, all 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:04.080 of law abiding citizens from owning guns. Then they started 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:08.800 because the stabbing incidents went up and they were they 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:12.840 were banning certain kinds of knives. You know, it never 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.360 it never ends unless you attack the real problem, which 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:21.040 is mostly a mental health problem and a problem with criminality. 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:27.920 Then honest, law abiding, god fearing citizens are gonna be 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:32.600 at risk anytime you try and limit their ability to 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:35.400 protect themselves. I wanted to ask you about this story 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:37.640 that was part of the pitch to have you on 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.840 here tonight. Mark Jones, founder of Gun Owners of America 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:47.960 and their Hunter Outreach program. Banks have been slowly but 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:53.160 surely making moves against gun manufacturers and retailers in an 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:57.160 effort to I don't know, satiate the anti gun activists 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:02.360 that do business with them, JP Morgan Chase, Bank of 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:10.560 America pushing against those businesses, gun businesses, de banking, decriminating, 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:15.960 discriminating against them unfairly. Is is this something that they 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.160 they have the right to do as private businesses, Mark 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:20.680 and how do how do we fight that? 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.800 Well, that's a great question, and we joined Guns of 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:31.200 America joined the coalition of groups and industry companies to 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:36.480 write a letter to these banks, warning them and encouraging 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:40.040 them to stop the debanking, you know, the lawful firearms industry. 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.760 And the President ordered an investigation into this, because, as 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.720 you know, banks are subject to federal regulation and they're 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:53.160 certain rules and laws they have to follow related to 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.920 fair practices. So the Department of Justice is looking into that. 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.440 I would argue that it's probably not le goal for 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:05.400 banks to d bank lawful industries, but some of the big, 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:06.840 big banks have been doing it. 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.320 For a number of years, and it's. 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:14.040 Forced companies like some of the major firearms manufacturers in 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.200 the US and like US to go to regional or 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:20.040 small banks, and it gets complicated, but it can actually 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.960 hurt these lawful businesses if they can't use the big banks. 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.360 So the real question people should be asking themselves is 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.760 why are they doing it and who is behind it? 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:34.360 I would assume it's international billionaires who want to push 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.920 their gun control agenda, and it's another tool in the toolbox, 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:42.080 you know, to arm America's lawful firearms tradition. 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:46.120 Yeah, it's it's the globalist It fits right in with 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:53.000 their agenda because an unarmed population is much easier to 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:54.400 take over and control. 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:56.440 Absolutely. 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.640 Yeah, So tell tell me real quickly about Hunter Outreach 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:01.240 program and what you're doing right now. 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.840 Mark, Well, our moatto is the Second Amendment. It's not 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.480 about hunting, but hunters should be about the Second Amendment. 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.520 So we've tried to engage the you know, America's sixteen 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.920 million plus licensed hunters in this political fight. You know, 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:15.840 like I said earlier, get them out of the polls 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.639 and major elections and get them involved. And also to 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:23.040 work to protect the American hunting tradition itself, even though 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.359 that's kind of separate from the Second Amendment. It's under 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.959 attack to you know, it's one of our oldest traditions. Obviously, 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:33.160 we've hunted since since the beginning of this country, since 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:37.560 before this country was founded, and lawful hunting is an 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.360 important American tradition that we want to help protect. So 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:45.000 we work to you know, protect these opportunities around the country, 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.040 to work with state game and fish agencies, and it 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.719 also just to pull hunters in to the fold and 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.119 get them involved in the political process. They tend to 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:58.160 be traditional Americans, to care about traditional American values, and 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.280 like I said earlier, in some states many of fifty 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.960 percent of them weren't even registered to vote. So it's 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:07.639 a long term effort to engage America as America's hunters 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:08.480 into political fight. 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.480 And if folks are interested in gun owners of America, 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:15.680 you can find out more at the Barefootdefender dot com 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.919 and also gunowners dot org correct. 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:24.480 Mark gunowners dot org. There's information there about our efforts 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:26.800 all over the country. We work in all fifty states 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.320 and in Washington, and we're involved in a lot of 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.679 court cases to Gary, where we're you know, suing the 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.840 Department of Justice. We're still fighting several battles there left 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.399 over from the Biden administration. So there's a lot of 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.080 information at gun owners dot org. 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.680 Mark Jones, thank you so much tonight. I appreciate your time. 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:46.800 I really enjoyed being on with you. I'd be happy 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:47.680 to come back anytime. 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:51.560 You got it A breaking back Afternoons with more Nightcap 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:57.600 on seven hundred WLW. As we continue on this Tuesday 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:02.439 evening at seven hundred WLW, Nick Bryant is our guest. 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.320 As I told you before the news break, Nick is 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:10.240 a journalist and author, and he finally has a website. 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.800 I know I've been boning up on my Nick Bryant 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:19.880 for this interview. He has been writing extensively and concentrating 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:27.760 primarily on child trafficking in the United States, the horrible 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:34.280 specter that it is and why is it covered up 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:39.240 by state federal authorities time and time again. From what 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:44.320 he calls the I was not familiar with the Franklin scandal, 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.280 but I'm about to become more familiar with it. Of course, 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.960 we all know about Jeffrey, or we least we think 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.720 we know about Jeffrey Epstein and what he was involved 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:57.879 with before his death. And he's also written a book 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:03.639 about Watergate. His book is The Truth about Watergate, A 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.640 Tale of Extraordinary Lies and Liars. So to find out 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:09.000 more about all that, Nick Bryant, Welcome to the show. 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:13.840 How are you glad to be with you? So enlighten 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.600 me on the Franklin scandal. It wasn't something that I 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:21.000 was familiar with, and that's probably because, as you detail 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:26.439 on your website, a lot of mainstream media wanted to 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:27.520 ignore the story. 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:31.240 That was the case with Epstein too. 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:34.560 But the Franklin scandal, in many ways, I should say 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.840 Epstein in many ways, is a carbon copy of the 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:42.600 Franklin scandal. The Franklin scandal, the two main pimps flew 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:46.560 kids all over the country. It was nationwide, and one 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:50.280 of them was a ci asset whose house was wired 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:54.520 for audivisual blackmail, and the State of Nebraska and also 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.919 the federal government did everything it could to cover it up, 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:00.480 including major threats against thenesses. 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:04.200 And with Epstein, we've got a. 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:09.240 Similar phenomena of kids being thrown all around the country 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:13.600 and actually being flown internationally. And Epstein had a number 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:17.960 of compromise cameras in all his homes, and the State 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:21.119 of Florida and the Department of Justice also covered up 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:22.000 his activities. 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:31.000 So it's really these are horrific stories. And because. 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:36.480 We don't want to believe that a government could be 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:41.280 in something assorted as covering up child sex trafficking. But 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:44.040 we saw it in the Franklin scandal, and we're seeing 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:48.880 it in the Epstein scandal now, and it's something that 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:52.560 Americans don't. I think they have a hard time accepting it. 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:55.600 When I first heard about the Franklin scandal, I was 0:21:56.000 --> 0:22:00.480 rightfully skeptical. And then I went to Nebraska and I 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:01.400 found documents. 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:03.119 I talked to some people, and. 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:06.800 It was like when I was looking into the Frankline scandal, 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:08.960 it was like I was doing an explos on the 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:10.760 KGB and Salinist Russia. 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:12.439 People were terrified to. 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:18.000 Talk about it, and also that way with Epstein. Ultimately, 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:21.520 at the end of my stay in Nebraska, I did 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:25.479 have a death threat, and I flew back to New 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:30.560 York City, which is where I live, and I was 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:32.600 I had a mentor since passed away. 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:35.840 He was a retired journalist, and We're. 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:37.400 Walking through Washington Square Park and I. 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:39.080 Was freaked out because. 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:42.680 I've never had a death threat before. 0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:44.560 But what really freaking. 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:50.879 Out is that a nationwide child trafficking network could be 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:52.000 covered up by the government. 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:55.320 That really shook me to my foundation. 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:58.280 So I was walking through Washington Square Park with my 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:00.680 mentor and we sat down and I, I mean, I 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:02.920 was shrieked out. 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:06.600 And he said to me, you know this is going 0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:06.919 to be a. 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:10.119 Dangerous story, Nick, and if you don't pursue it, I 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:14.520 won't lose any respect for you. And I said, Jerry, 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:16.600 I think I have to pursue this now that I 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:18.639 know that it's true. I really think I have to 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:22.000 pursue it, and that I spent the next seven years corroborating. 0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:25.840 You said that the Franklin scandal and the Epstein scandal 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:30.880 are quite similar in the fact that they've been covered 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:33.880 up by state and federal authorities. Are they quite similar? 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:38.280 Also because you believe Jeffrey Epstein was a CIA operative. 0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:45.200 Yes, I believe that Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence asset, 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:52.480 and we have that from from various sources. And Howard 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:55.280 Luttner came out the other day about a week and 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:57.680 a half ago and who he was an extra neighbor 0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:01.840 of Jeffrey Epstein. He said, Jeffer Ebs was the greatest. 0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:02.800 Blackmailer of all time. 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:06.200 And when he was asked about Bill Gates and at all, 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:08.080 who had hung out with Epstein. 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:11.240 He said that they're all in on it. 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:16.320 So I do believe that Jeffrey Epstein was a CI asset, 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:20.040 and this is kind of interesting. William Burns became the 0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:26.920 CI director, but in twenty fourteen he had met with 0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:31.080 Jeffrey Epstein, I believe three times. And this was after 0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:36.560 Jeffrey Epstein was a convicted sex offender. And there's also 0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:40.800 been a spy in Israeli spy has come forward, and 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:42.520 you can take that with a grand assault or not. 0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:45.560 But he's been right on a lot of stuff. He 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:52.880 said Epstein was definitely a CIA. And Epstein had a bodyguard, 0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:59.280 a big Russian bodyguard. And Brad Edwards is one of 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:01.960 the attorneys that that he gate it against Epstein and 0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:05.720