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Speaker 1: that first up, Mark Jones from Gun Owners of America
Speaker 1: on how banks seem to be decashing the Second Amendment.
Speaker 1: Details coming up in just a few moments. We'll also
Speaker 1: have Nick Bryant, who was a journalist and an author
Speaker 1: who has most recently been working on the Epstein case
Speaker 1: and the people who have been trafficked to victims and
Speaker 1: how they still don't have justice and why are we
Speaker 1: being are they being obstructed from justice by state and
Speaker 1: federal authorities even into the Trump administration. Scott Serrah are
Speaker 1: Amazing Grace's dad. He claims his daughter was murdered in
Speaker 1: a hospital in Wisconsin and had an illegal DNR put
Speaker 1: on her when the family and Grace had not asked
Speaker 1: for a DNR and they basically killed her with drugs,
Speaker 1: all under the auspice of COVID. Back in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: Andy Furman a little bit of sports for the Out
Speaker 1: of Sorts before Midnight and Kenneth Abramowitz the latest on Gaza.
Speaker 1: On the peace that seems to be holding, at least
Speaker 1: in process. We don't know what's going to happen down
Speaker 1: the road with Middle East peace, but some insights from
Speaker 1: a guy who has been tracking it very very closely.
Speaker 1: But first up, Mark Jones from Gun Owners of America. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got the Second Amendment in the Constitution, the right
Speaker 1: given to us by God ensured to be protected by
Speaker 1: the government. But are the banks taking an end to
Speaker 1: a round to end your right to own and bear firearms?
Speaker 1: That's next on the Nightcap. Again, First up on the Nightcap,
Speaker 1: Mark Jones, who's the national director and national spokesperson for
Speaker 1: Gun Owners of America and Gun Owners Foundation. We got
Speaker 1: GOA and GoF covered there. Marx's certified Wildlife biologist, began
Speaker 1: working for GOA over four years ago after retiring from government,
Speaker 1: where he had thirty years of experience performing wildlife research,
Speaker 1: publishing peer reviewed scientific papers, managing wildlife resources, working with
Speaker 1: hunters and recreational shooters, supervising and mentoring other pros, and
Speaker 1: engaging in legislative issues and governmental policy, especially as regards
Speaker 1: his Second Amendment. Mark founded and currently leads Gun Owners
Speaker 1: of America's National Hunter Outreach Program, known as an Amendment Hunters. Mark,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. How are you.
Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Garry. It's great to be on your
Speaker 3: show this morning.
Speaker 1: It's fantastic to have you here tonight.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The mission that you have for the Gone Owners
Speaker 1: of American National Hunter Outreach Program is to engage and
Speaker 1: involve America's sixteen million plus hunters in the fight to
Speaker 1: protect the Second Amendment and the American hunting traditions. And
Speaker 1: I know that former Vice presidential candidate Tim Walls claimed
Speaker 1: he was a hunter. Have you been in touch with him?
Speaker 4: Mark?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you say that in jest, and you
Speaker 3: know We understand it goa that the Second Amendment wasn't
Speaker 3: written for hunting, but our motto was hunters, you know,
Speaker 3: should care about the Second Amendment, and we try to
Speaker 3: engage him in this political fight. In the last election,
Speaker 3: we identified that in some states, as particularly swing states,
Speaker 3: as many as half the hunters weren't even registered to vote.
Speaker 3: So we worked really hard to educate hunters, get them
Speaker 3: registered to vote, and get them to come vote their values,
Speaker 3: and we actually think that made a difference in the
Speaker 3: last election in swing states like Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: You know, Tim Walltz does what all Democrats do. He
Speaker 3: pretends to be a hunter, he pretends to care about
Speaker 3: the Second Amendment. But most people saw through that. You know,
Speaker 3: in the last election, do.
Speaker 1: You remember the infamous John Kerry goose hunting story that
Speaker 1: they tried to push absolutely.
Speaker 3: You know, the Democrats do it every election. Bill Clinton
Speaker 3: went duck hunting in nineteen ninety two and made a
Speaker 3: big deal out of it. They always tell sportsmen sportswomen
Speaker 3: that they care about hunting, they care about the Second Amendment.
Speaker 3: Then they get in office and they work the pass
Speaker 3: gun control.
Speaker 1: You know, I've often wondered if sometimes gun control, which
Speaker 1: is really people control, as you well know, sometimes I
Speaker 1: want under if presidents like Obama or Clinton or any
Speaker 1: of the others who have tried to diminish or infringe
Speaker 1: upon our Second Amendment rights as Americans, I wonder if
Speaker 1: they secretly have stock in gun manufacturers and ammunition, because
Speaker 1: the sales always go up when someone like that is
Speaker 1: in office. You know, they're like record setting sales of
Speaker 1: guns and ammo when you've got an anti Second Amendment president.
Speaker 1: Isn't that true? Doesn't that track pretty much the way
Speaker 1: it rolls?
Speaker 3: It absolutely does. During Obama's second term, when he finally
Speaker 3: started working for gun control, gun sales hit record levels.
Speaker 3: And that also happened under Biden. And what we see
Speaker 3: now is what we call the Trump slump, where people
Speaker 3: are kind of relaxed, and I think they shouldn't be
Speaker 3: relaxing because the Democrats are not stopping to come after
Speaker 3: our guns. But Trump got elected. In a lot of tradition,
Speaker 3: Americans says, you know, everything's okay, we don't need to worry.
Speaker 3: Political activism kind of dropped a little bit so to
Speaker 3: gun sales. But you're absolutely right when the Democrats get
Speaker 3: in and push gun control. It always increases the sales
Speaker 3: of firearms and ammunition.
Speaker 1: It always reminds me of and I know you go
Speaker 1: back this far, but I remember, at least as a kid,
Speaker 1: seeing these pictures of people burning Beatles records because you know,
Speaker 1: they were evil, and they were and and and all
Speaker 1: it did was double and triple the record sales. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Wherever you try and ban something or claim you're going
Speaker 1: to it always makes it more appealing to more people. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: but there's there's nothing more appealing than having the right
Speaker 1: to defend yourself and your family, especially in a violent world. Right.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely. And we've seen it lightly with the political
Speaker 3: violence that we're saying, Charlie Kirk assassination, with church attacks,
Speaker 3: and it's always crazy that when these things happen, the
Speaker 3: first thing the Democrats do is call for gun control,
Speaker 3: call for controlling the rights of law abiding citizens. And
Speaker 3: most Americans are beginning to resist that. I know. There's
Speaker 3: a recent poll from to two reputable organizations that showed
Speaker 3: that most Americans support the Second Amendment. That the President
Speaker 3: has you know, signaled strong Second Amendment support, not necessarily
Speaker 3: his attorney general, but he has that's been very popular.
Speaker 3: So I think that the message the Democrats are pushing
Speaker 3: is failing right now because most traditional Americans kind of
Speaker 3: see through.
Speaker 1: It well and they still touch the fact that gun
Speaker 1: violence is killing people, and especially in these large Democrats cities,
Speaker 1: you know where that is pro and you know in
Speaker 1: Cincinnati here, the mayor of this town continually talk every
Speaker 1: time there's a shooting and a killing on the streets
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, he talks about how it's unacceptable that we've
Speaker 1: got this gun violence. Rampant violence is violence, no matter
Speaker 1: what you commit that act with, it's people violence, and
Speaker 1: that's where the focus should be. It should be on
Speaker 1: the criminals, not on the tools they use.
Speaker 3: Well. Absolutely, And I saw a headline last week there
Speaker 3: was a mass stabbing in a church in England where
Speaker 3: they pretty much disarmed most law abiding people. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: you know, bad people, mad min are going to do
Speaker 3: bad things no matter what. And you know, we have
Speaker 3: a constitution, the American people have, you know, we have
Speaker 3: a god given right to protect ourselves. It's enshrined in
Speaker 3: the Constitution in the Second Amendment. And if you look
Speaker 3: at the statistics from the FBI, from the Crime Prevention
Speaker 3: Research Council. A lot of violence happens in what are
Speaker 3: called gun free zones, where law abouting people are disarmed.
Speaker 3: Where I live in Wyoming, we pretty much have eliminated
Speaker 3: gun free zones. You can carry a gun practically anywhere
Speaker 3: if you're a law abouting citizen. We don't see these
Speaker 3: kinds of things that you see in places like Chicago.
Speaker 3: You know, a few years ago, Chicago, which has the
Speaker 3: worst gun control in the country, it was more dangerous
Speaker 3: than Afghanistan getting murdered. So yeah, gun control doesn't fix
Speaker 3: the problem absolutely.
Speaker 1: Like I've I've I've had I've had Stephen Williford, who
Speaker 1: works with you on the air multiple times. I've had
Speaker 1: a guy named Dan Was who was the author of
Speaker 1: a Good Gunbadguy dot Com, the book series. He is
Speaker 1: an avn't supporter of the Secondmendment and and gunnos of
Speaker 1: America too. Uh. And we've talked before about how I
Speaker 1: lost my total train of thought. But we've talked before
Speaker 1: about how if you go to a gun show or
Speaker 1: a massive gun event where gun owners from all over
Speaker 1: the country and hunters from all the country are attending
Speaker 1: this gun show, you know, if guns were the problem,
Speaker 1: wouldn't there be a bloody massacre at these gun shows
Speaker 1: where there's all kinds of gun owners and all kinds
Speaker 1: of guns and ammunition there and people are test firing guns.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't there be murder and mayhem at these things if
Speaker 1: guns were the problem?
Speaker 3: Mark absolutely, Gary, And you know we see that, you know,
Speaker 3: all over the country. You know, statistics prove that that
Speaker 3: depending on the years you look at, about ninety percent
Speaker 3: plus of mass shootings in this country happen and get
Speaker 3: what are called gun free zones where law abiding people
Speaker 3: are not supposed to take a fire. And we've got
Speaker 3: states like Wyoming, Idaho, others in the West where we've
Speaker 3: pretty much eliminated those gun free zone and you don't
Speaker 3: see mass shootings, you know, because criminals and mad men
Speaker 3: know they're going to encounter armed resistance, they look for
Speaker 3: soft targets to coll aorade. A theater shooter a few
Speaker 3: years ago as a good example. In his in the writings,
Speaker 3: he wrote he passed I think eight theaters that allowed
Speaker 3: lawbiding concealed Carrie to go to the one theater in
Speaker 3: the area that had a gun for his own sign.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was that was an Aurora, Colorado's I remember,
Speaker 1: wasn't it.
Speaker 3: I think so, And so he chose a soft target
Speaker 3: where law abiding people were disarmed. So the idea that
Speaker 3: you can legislate, you know, violence is ridiculous. And like
Speaker 3: I said earlier, with the mass stabbing in the in
Speaker 3: the synagogue and of the church in Great Britain last week,
Speaker 3: crazy people are going to do crazy things and I
Speaker 3: choose to exercise my Second Amendment rights, you know, to
Speaker 3: protect myself and my family.
Speaker 1: Well, after the UK basically disarmed, as you mentioned, all
Speaker 1: of law abiding citizens from owning guns. Then they started
Speaker 1: because the stabbing incidents went up and they were they
Speaker 1: were banning certain kinds of knives. You know, it never
Speaker 1: it never ends unless you attack the real problem, which
Speaker 1: is mostly a mental health problem and a problem with criminality.
Speaker 1: Then honest, law abiding, god fearing citizens are gonna be
Speaker 1: at risk anytime you try and limit their ability to
Speaker 1: protect themselves. I wanted to ask you about this story
Speaker 1: that was part of the pitch to have you on
Speaker 1: here tonight. Mark Jones, founder of Gun Owners of America
Speaker 1: and their Hunter Outreach program. Banks have been slowly but
Speaker 1: surely making moves against gun manufacturers and retailers in an
Speaker 1: effort to I don't know, satiate the anti gun activists
Speaker 1: that do business with them, JP Morgan Chase, Bank of
Speaker 1: America pushing against those businesses, gun businesses, de banking, decriminating,
Speaker 1: discriminating against them unfairly. Is is this something that they
Speaker 1: they have the right to do as private businesses, Mark
Speaker 1: and how do how do we fight that?
Speaker 3: Well, that's a great question, and we joined Guns of
Speaker 3: America joined the coalition of groups and industry companies to
Speaker 3: write a letter to these banks, warning them and encouraging
Speaker 3: them to stop the debanking, you know, the lawful firearms industry.
Speaker 3: And the President ordered an investigation into this, because, as
Speaker 3: you know, banks are subject to federal regulation and they're
Speaker 3: certain rules and laws they have to follow related to
Speaker 3: fair practices. So the Department of Justice is looking into that.
Speaker 3: I would argue that it's probably not le goal for
Speaker 3: banks to d bank lawful industries, but some of the big,
Speaker 3: big banks have been doing it.
Speaker 4: For a number of years, and it's.
Speaker 3: Forced companies like some of the major firearms manufacturers in
Speaker 3: the US and like US to go to regional or
Speaker 3: small banks, and it gets complicated, but it can actually
Speaker 3: hurt these lawful businesses if they can't use the big banks.
Speaker 3: So the real question people should be asking themselves is
Speaker 3: why are they doing it and who is behind it?
Speaker 3: I would assume it's international billionaires who want to push
Speaker 3: their gun control agenda, and it's another tool in the toolbox,
Speaker 3: you know, to arm America's lawful firearms tradition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's the globalist It fits right in with
Speaker 1: their agenda because an unarmed population is much easier to
Speaker 1: take over and control.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So tell tell me real quickly about Hunter Outreach
Speaker 1: program and what you're doing right now.
Speaker 3: Mark, Well, our moatto is the Second Amendment. It's not
Speaker 3: about hunting, but hunters should be about the Second Amendment.
Speaker 3: So we've tried to engage the you know, America's sixteen
Speaker 3: million plus licensed hunters in this political fight. You know,
Speaker 3: like I said earlier, get them out of the polls
Speaker 3: and major elections and get them involved. And also to
Speaker 3: work to protect the American hunting tradition itself, even though
Speaker 3: that's kind of separate from the Second Amendment. It's under
Speaker 3: attack to you know, it's one of our oldest traditions. Obviously,
Speaker 3: we've hunted since since the beginning of this country, since
Speaker 3: before this country was founded, and lawful hunting is an
Speaker 3: important American tradition that we want to help protect. So
Speaker 3: we work to you know, protect these opportunities around the country,
Speaker 3: to work with state game and fish agencies, and it
Speaker 3: also just to pull hunters in to the fold and
Speaker 3: get them involved in the political process. They tend to
Speaker 3: be traditional Americans, to care about traditional American values, and
Speaker 3: like I said earlier, in some states many of fifty
Speaker 3: percent of them weren't even registered to vote. So it's
Speaker 3: a long term effort to engage America as America's hunters
Speaker 3: into political fight.
Speaker 1: And if folks are interested in gun owners of America,
Speaker 1: you can find out more at the Barefootdefender dot com
Speaker 1: and also gunowners dot org correct.
Speaker 3: Mark gunowners dot org. There's information there about our efforts
Speaker 3: all over the country. We work in all fifty states
Speaker 3: and in Washington, and we're involved in a lot of
Speaker 3: court cases to Gary, where we're you know, suing the
Speaker 3: Department of Justice. We're still fighting several battles there left
Speaker 3: over from the Biden administration. So there's a lot of
Speaker 3: information at gun owners dot org.
Speaker 1: Mark Jones, thank you so much tonight. I appreciate your time.
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed being on with you. I'd be happy
Speaker 3: to come back anytime.
Speaker 1: You got it A breaking back Afternoons with more Nightcap
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW. As we continue on this Tuesday
Speaker 1: evening at seven hundred WLW, Nick Bryant is our guest.
Speaker 1: As I told you before the news break, Nick is
Speaker 1: a journalist and author, and he finally has a website.
Speaker 1: I know I've been boning up on my Nick Bryant
Speaker 1: for this interview. He has been writing extensively and concentrating
Speaker 1: primarily on child trafficking in the United States, the horrible
Speaker 1: specter that it is and why is it covered up
Speaker 1: by state federal authorities time and time again. From what
Speaker 1: he calls the I was not familiar with the Franklin scandal,
Speaker 1: but I'm about to become more familiar with it. Of course,
Speaker 1: we all know about Jeffrey, or we least we think
Speaker 1: we know about Jeffrey Epstein and what he was involved
Speaker 1: with before his death. And he's also written a book
Speaker 1: about Watergate. His book is The Truth about Watergate, A
Speaker 1: Tale of Extraordinary Lies and Liars. So to find out
Speaker 1: more about all that, Nick Bryant, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: How are you glad to be with you? So enlighten
Speaker 1: me on the Franklin scandal. It wasn't something that I
Speaker 1: was familiar with, and that's probably because, as you detail
Speaker 1: on your website, a lot of mainstream media wanted to
Speaker 1: ignore the story.
Speaker 5: That was the case with Epstein too.
Speaker 6: But the Franklin scandal, in many ways, I should say
Speaker 6: Epstein in many ways, is a carbon copy of the
Speaker 6: Franklin scandal. The Franklin scandal, the two main pimps flew
Speaker 6: kids all over the country. It was nationwide, and one
Speaker 6: of them was a ci asset whose house was wired
Speaker 6: for audivisual blackmail, and the State of Nebraska and also
Speaker 6: the federal government did everything it could to cover it up,
Speaker 6: including major threats against thenesses.
Speaker 5: And with Epstein, we've got a.
Speaker 6: Similar phenomena of kids being thrown all around the country
Speaker 6: and actually being flown internationally. And Epstein had a number
Speaker 6: of compromise cameras in all his homes, and the State
Speaker 6: of Florida and the Department of Justice also covered up
Speaker 6: his activities.
Speaker 5: So it's really these are horrific stories. And because.
Speaker 6: We don't want to believe that a government could be
Speaker 6: in something assorted as covering up child sex trafficking. But
Speaker 6: we saw it in the Franklin scandal, and we're seeing
Speaker 6: it in the Epstein scandal now, and it's something that
Speaker 6: Americans don't. I think they have a hard time accepting it.
Speaker 6: When I first heard about the Franklin scandal, I was
Speaker 6: rightfully skeptical. And then I went to Nebraska and I
Speaker 6: found documents.
Speaker 5: I talked to some people, and.
Speaker 6: It was like when I was looking into the Frankline scandal,
Speaker 6: it was like I was doing an explos on the
Speaker 6: KGB and Salinist Russia.
Speaker 5: People were terrified to.
Speaker 6: Talk about it, and also that way with Epstein. Ultimately,
Speaker 6: at the end of my stay in Nebraska, I did
Speaker 6: have a death threat, and I flew back to New
Speaker 6: York City, which is where I live, and I was
Speaker 6: I had a mentor since passed away.
Speaker 5: He was a retired journalist, and We're.
Speaker 6: Walking through Washington Square Park and I.
Speaker 5: Was freaked out because.
Speaker 2: I've never had a death threat before.
Speaker 5: But what really freaking.
Speaker 6: Out is that a nationwide child trafficking network could be
Speaker 6: covered up by the government.
Speaker 5: That really shook me to my foundation.
Speaker 6: So I was walking through Washington Square Park with my
Speaker 6: mentor and we sat down and I, I mean, I
Speaker 6: was shrieked out.
Speaker 5: And he said to me, you know this is going
Speaker 5: to be a.
Speaker 6: Dangerous story, Nick, and if you don't pursue it, I
Speaker 6: won't lose any respect for you. And I said, Jerry,
Speaker 6: I think I have to pursue this now that I
Speaker 6: know that it's true. I really think I have to
Speaker 6: pursue it, and that I spent the next seven years corroborating.
Speaker 1: You said that the Franklin scandal and the Epstein scandal
Speaker 1: are quite similar in the fact that they've been covered
Speaker 1: up by state and federal authorities. Are they quite similar?
Speaker 1: Also because you believe Jeffrey Epstein was a CIA operative.
Speaker 6: Yes, I believe that Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence asset,
Speaker 6: and we have that from from various sources. And Howard
Speaker 6: Luttner came out the other day about a week and
Speaker 6: a half ago and who he was an extra neighbor
Speaker 6: of Jeffrey Epstein. He said, Jeffer Ebs was the greatest.
Speaker 5: Blackmailer of all time.
Speaker 6: And when he was asked about Bill Gates and at all,
Speaker 6: who had hung out with Epstein.
Speaker 5: He said that they're all in on it.
Speaker 6: So I do believe that Jeffrey Epstein was a CI asset,
Speaker 6: and this is kind of interesting. William Burns became the
Speaker 6: CI director, but in twenty fourteen he had met with
Speaker 6: Jeffrey Epstein, I believe three times. And this was after
Speaker 6: Jeffrey Epstein was a convicted sex offender. And there's also
Speaker 6: been a spy in Israeli spy has come forward, and
Speaker 6: you can take that with a grand assault or not.
Speaker 6: But he's been right on a lot of stuff. He
Speaker 6: said Epstein was definitely a CIA. And Epstein had a bodyguard,
Speaker 6: a big Russian bodyguard. And Brad Edwards is one of
Speaker 6: the attorneys that that he gate it against Epstein and
Speaker 6: represented a number of women, and he was talking to
Speaker 6: Epstein's bodyguarden and Epstein's bodyguard said you got to be
Speaker 6: careful because Epstein is CIA.
Speaker 5: And then he also said something very interesting.
Speaker 6: His name was Sinoviev, and in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 6: Snoviev claimed that while Epstein was serving work release time
Speaker 6: for molesting knows how many children, Epstein sent him to
Speaker 6: the CI headquarters in Virginia and he was an instructor
Speaker 6: to deliver a handwritten note from Epstein to someone in
Speaker 6: the CIA. So I think that there's definitely And then
Speaker 6: Alexander Costa, though he's changed his tune when asked why
Speaker 6: he let Epstein have such a sweetheart deal, he initially said,
Speaker 6: I was told Epstein was intelligence and to stand down
Speaker 6: that one.
Speaker 5: In two thousand and seven.
Speaker 6: And it's very obvious that he stood down because a
Speaker 6: US attorney for the Southern District flood is not going
Speaker 6: to cover up a nationwide pedophon network unless someone above
Speaker 6: him says, you've got to cover it up. And there's
Speaker 6: only two people that can tell a US attorney to
Speaker 6: stand down. One is the president and one is the
Speaker 6: Attorney General, Elbert gunzalas at the time, and it was
Speaker 6: Bush too, So Elbert Gunzalez, I don't believe it's going
Speaker 6: to cover up a nationwide pedophile network unless he is.
Speaker 6: He's not going to go out on that unless he's
Speaker 6: told to. So I believe that this emanated from the
Speaker 6: highest levels of our government.
Speaker 1: All Right, what have you found out since the Trump
Speaker 1: administration and why has there been more foot dragging? Do
Speaker 1: you believe is this related to the president and the
Speaker 1: Attorney General? Presently.
Speaker 5: Well, here's my thoughts on that.
Speaker 6: On February twenty six, Pambonni proclaimed by National TV that
Speaker 6: the Epstein files were on her desk and she was
Speaker 6: going to send them to the Four Wins, and then
Speaker 6: she served a nothing sandwich.
Speaker 5: In twenty fifteen, I put Epstein's.
Speaker 6: Black book and flight logs on the Internet, and I
Speaker 6: released more incriminating information on Epstein in twenty fifteen than.
Speaker 5: She did in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6: So and I think that the Trump administration underestimated people's
Speaker 6: emotional zeal for this issue and also their knowledge because
Speaker 6: Pambonni then came on and said that she'd been bamboozled
Speaker 6: by the FBI Field Office, and then she said, I've
Speaker 6: got a truckload of evidence now that we've got a
Speaker 6: come thru. That was on May seventh, and she did
Speaker 6: say that there are ten thousands of videos of Epstein
Speaker 6: with children or child prono or child porn, and there
Speaker 6: are hundreds of victims. So Pam Bondi is now saying
Speaker 6: that Epstein downloaded all that from the internet, But in
Speaker 6: February she's saying in Ma she's saying that there was
Speaker 6: child abuse material with Jeffrey Epstein molesting underage girls. So
Speaker 6: she's light about that, and then I think the crescendo
Speaker 6: of lies really was in February she said that the
Speaker 6: FBI was just looking through the FBI Department of just
Speaker 6: We're just looking through Epstein's cash of child abuse material
Speaker 6: and things that he had, discs and hard drugs. But
Speaker 6: as soon as Epstein was arrested in twenty nineteen, the
Speaker 6: FBI couldn't open that face safe fast enough. I mean
Speaker 6: they opened it like the next day, and they took
Speaker 6: all that stuff out, discs and according to the New
Speaker 6: York Times, there were hundreds, if not thousands of images
Speaker 6: of child abuse material, and.
Speaker 5: Business Insider reported that there.
Speaker 6: Was hard drives too that were taken out, and the
Speaker 6: FBI and Department of Justice and who knows who else we're.
Speaker 5: Looking at that material. Probably the next day.
Speaker 6: There were probably people that did double shifts and triple
Speaker 6: shifts to look at all that material. So Pam Bondi
Speaker 6: is claiming that they that the Trump administration is looking
Speaker 6: at that material for the first time.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's another pretty egregious line.
Speaker 1: Well, the FBI has proven itself recently in the last
Speaker 1: decade or so not to be the most reputable of
Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies under multiple administrations. And you know that,
Speaker 1: I guess that would take a while to clear out.
Speaker 1: They're still trying to piece together, and of course with
Speaker 1: artic frost, they're looking at all of the things that
Speaker 1: the FBI that was doing that was totally illegal, to
Speaker 1: put a presidential candidate in jail, and to monitor Republican
Speaker 1: senators and the like. The fbis had their fingers in
Speaker 1: all kinds of unsavory stuff, to say the least. And
Speaker 1: this is obviously child sex trafficking. We're talking about pure pedophilia,
Speaker 1: which I find nothing more repulsive, and obviously you do too.
Speaker 1: But you know, I would not trust the FBI as
Speaker 1: a source as far as we could throw them, and
Speaker 1: the CIA as well.
Speaker 6: The thing about it is, we know that the FBI
Speaker 6: has been thoroughly corrupted, that Jagger Hoover wore red dresses
Speaker 6: and blackmailed people.
Speaker 5: I mean we know that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a tremendous amount of perfidiousness with the FBI.
Speaker 5: And then the I mean co Intel pro was out
Speaker 5: of that was a program.
Speaker 6: That they have of a spying on all kinds of
Speaker 6: Americans and Committee, various atrocitiess.
Speaker 1: Crossfire, Hurricane, Arctic frost. I mean, come on, the list
Speaker 1: goes on.
Speaker 6: So now we're supposed to believe the FBI and the
Speaker 6: Department of Justice that Epstein and Maxwell acting alone. There
Speaker 6: was a very strange document that they released on July.
Speaker 6: And when I say, hey, I'm talking about the FBI
Speaker 6: and Apartment of Justice. There was a very strange document
Speaker 6: that they released on July fifth, July sixth. It wasn't signed,
Speaker 6: but it said that there were three hundred gigabytes material
Speaker 6: taken out of Jeffrey Ebstin's possessions or impounded from Jeffrey
Speaker 6: Ebsen's possessions. That I agree with that and I'm promised that.
Speaker 6: And then it said that there were over a thousand
Speaker 6: and victims, and I agree with that.
Speaker 5: I don't have any problems with that.
Speaker 6: But then it said that Jeffrey Ebstein acted alone, and
Speaker 6: we just say, have too much proof that Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 6: didn't act alone, and that Jeffrey Epstein didn't blackmail anybody,
Speaker 6: and we also have a lot of proof about that too.
Speaker 1: Well, I tell you what. Unfortunately, our times fairly limited,
Speaker 1: Nick is there one made point that you wanted to
Speaker 1: make about your work and what you found out and
Speaker 1: what you think you're going to find out as you
Speaker 1: continue your work.
Speaker 6: Well, the government is doing everything I possibly can to
Speaker 6: make sure that information doesn't come out. The government has
Speaker 6: shut down. Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, he
Speaker 6: adjourned the House early so they couldn't vote on Massey's
Speaker 6: discharged petition that would have started the ball rolling and
Speaker 6: that would have unsealed the Epstein files. And then Mike
Speaker 6: Johnson eventually said that Donald Trump was an FBI informant
Speaker 6: on Epstein, and.
Speaker 5: He had to walk that back, and now he's not
Speaker 5: They're not letting the House commence.
Speaker 6: When I say they, I mean I'm talking about Mike
Speaker 6: Johnson and the Republican adminstration. So it's going to be
Speaker 6: up to us as Americans to get answers. This is
Speaker 6: something that America needs answers to because our government has
Speaker 6: been malfeasant over the years in a number of different ways,
Speaker 6: but this is this is worse. I mean, this is
Speaker 6: the worst thing that they possibly could have done to
Speaker 6: cover up child sex trafficking. And if you cover up
Speaker 6: a crime, you're ad embedding that crime. So our government
Speaker 6: is covering up child sex trafficking. And this is there's
Speaker 6: a number of reasons why it's important that the government
Speaker 6: shouldn't be that rotten to the core that it would
Speaker 6: cover up child sexual abuse. But according to the Centers
Speaker 6: for Disease Control, twenty five percent of underage girls and
Speaker 6: five percent of underage boys and the US experienced.
Speaker 5: Child central abuse.
Speaker 6: So that translates to fifty million Americans that have experienced
Speaker 6: child central abuse.
Speaker 5: And there's another reason why this is so important.
Speaker 6: If we allow the Justice Department to be unresponsive to
Speaker 6: victims in the Epstein case, proven child sex trafficking case,
Speaker 6: that says a message to millions of victims that they have.
Speaker 5: No voice and no hope for jess.
Speaker 6: Nick Bryant I started a nonprofit called Epstein Justice. Okay,
Speaker 6: I hope that your audience will come to and check
Speaker 6: us out Epstein Justice dot com.
Speaker 1: Epstein Justice dot com. Also your latest book, The Truth
Speaker 1: about Watergate, A Tale of Extraordinary Lies and Liars. Nick
Speaker 1: Bryant is the author and our guest tonight. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for your time, Nick, and good luck.
Speaker 5: Thank you you've Epstein Justice dot.
Speaker 1: Com, Deanjustice dot com. If you'd like to know more.
Speaker 1: Coming up a rebroadcast of our Rock and Roll Archaeology
Speaker 1: from Saturday Morning with Jim Lebarbara. I Well, remember the
Speaker 1: first conversation I had with our next guest, and it
Speaker 1: totally shook me up. I was riveted by the story.
Speaker 1: I was horrified by the story. It touched my heart,
Speaker 1: and many people who heard it told me later that
Speaker 1: it touched theirs. This man's story is a story of
Speaker 1: his daughter, Grace, and on October thirteenth, twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: God gave Scott Sarah a new mission to get the
Speaker 1: word out to let people know what was going on
Speaker 1: in our so called healthcare centers, at least in some
Speaker 1: of them across the country, and what had happened. And
Speaker 1: I'll just read from the rima Grace's web description. We've
Speaker 1: talked about this extensively on the air, but to submit
Speaker 1: what happened on October thirteenth, at twenty twenty one, at
Speaker 1: seven twenty seven, their time, his buddy, Grace, their daughter,
Speaker 1: took her last breath, and because of meds that she
Speaker 1: was on in the hospital, Grace was given precedex lerazapam
Speaker 1: and morphine in combination without informed consent. She had an
Speaker 1: unauthorized DNI order DNR order rather placed by the doctor
Speaker 1: on her chart that the nursing staff claim prevented her
Speaker 1: from being revived by them. After morphine was added to
Speaker 1: this drug cocktail, they ignored the families please to save
Speaker 1: their daughter, and they were proclaiming the family that she
Speaker 1: is not DNR. Grace was special. The faith she had
Speaker 1: was real. When we think God has abandoned us, we
Speaker 1: yearn for her bravery and faith so pure and true.
Speaker 1: Why did God want her home after all? One day
Speaker 1: we'll find out. So, without any further ado, to talk
Speaker 1: about the anniversary of Grace's passing to be one of
Speaker 1: the angels in heaven. Her dad Scott Sarah, welcome to
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 4: Well, thanks for having me back again. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Thanks for reading that. I get teary while you read it.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it very much.
Speaker 1: And Scott blasted out an email last yesterday actually and
Speaker 1: ask for a moment of silence for Grace. At seven
Speaker 1: twenty seven, I guess your time. You're on Central Time, correct, Scott,
Speaker 1: that is correct? And my wife set her alarm on
Speaker 1: her phone for eight twenty seven we're on Eastern time.
Speaker 1: It went off, and we bowed our heads and prayed
Speaker 1: for your family and prayed in honor of Grace Sharah.
Speaker 1: And it has set you on a whole new course
Speaker 1: in your life that you didn't expect you'd be on. Right, Scott,
Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about that.
Speaker 4: Well, the first, you know, first year in shock. And
Speaker 4: you know, surprisingly, I see God's providence right from the beginning,
Speaker 4: because I went into a different hospital three days after
Speaker 4: Grace died and they did not follow the protocols that
Speaker 4: were killing people, including Grace, and so that was a
Speaker 4: wake up call. Well, then I started looking into her records.
Speaker 4: We received her records three four days after we requested them.
Speaker 4: I mean, that was another miracle. And I reviewed them
Speaker 4: with a doctor and we saw why this was raised
Speaker 4: in a Diane accident. So I requested a meeting with
Speaker 4: the hospital CEO and the doctor and they refused to meet.
Speaker 4: I thought, well, this is strange. Realize, Gary, Jeff, at
Speaker 4: this point, I'm not awake to anything. I'm just a
Speaker 4: big this man with a healthy distress for the government.
Speaker 4: I trust the system, but I mean, you just we're
Speaker 4: going on with your life. And so then after finding
Speaker 4: a complaint with the Departments of Safety and Professional Services,
Speaker 4: which is the medical examining board in Wisconsin. They said
Speaker 4: the doctor didn't do anything wrong. So now it's like,
Speaker 4: are they all in on it? So that was in
Speaker 4: January of twenty two, And as we move along the timeline,
Speaker 4: I met a lady who I have a phone call
Speaker 4: with coming up here in an hour and a half.
Speaker 4: Her name is Vera, and she was a Holocaust survivor.
Speaker 4: And in the process of meeting her and comparing notes
Speaker 4: because I'm thinking, this is a second Holocaust, what's going on?
Speaker 4: And she was telling the same story. So we became
Speaker 4: fast friends. And I was introduced to a term called
Speaker 4: the Hegelian dialectic, and that term got me into realizing
Speaker 4: this is a spiritual battle and Satan is using dialectics
Speaker 4: to convince the population of all kinds of nefarious things
Speaker 4: that God warns us of, and specifically in First Thessalonians,
Speaker 4: chapter five, verse three, God warns us to not be
Speaker 4: duped by peace and safety. And they use this all
Speaker 4: the time. So you look at COVID, for example, they
Speaker 4: come up with this boogeyman virus. Then the peace and
Speaker 4: safety solution the vaccine that's going to save us. And
Speaker 4: the vaccine is already and I'm putting vaccine in quotes,
Speaker 4: as you probably realize, has already killed over six hundred
Speaker 4: thousand Americans, and yet you can't find that in mainstream media.
Speaker 2: It's all covered up.
Speaker 4: So that was being duped by peace and safety. We
Speaker 4: want the simple way out versus doing the research. And ultimately,
Speaker 4: as I fast forward to today, we had the trial
Speaker 4: in June. The jury decided against us, even though we
Speaker 4: had the truth on our side, a better expert, they
Speaker 4: decided against us. They decided in favor of the system,
Speaker 4: you know, and of course I expected that going into it,
Speaker 4: because the legal system is in bed with the medical system.
Speaker 4: But now after the trial, what does things look like?
Speaker 4: And you know, the mission hasn't changed. The trial was
Speaker 4: just a stepping stone in the mission to shed God's
Speaker 4: light on evil, and he put on my heart. God
Speaker 4: put on my heart in August to write down everything
Speaker 4: I've learned about the medical industrial complex. So this will
Speaker 4: sound crazy, but I started right, Oh, this is maybe
Speaker 4: a longer substact, ten twelve page as well. It ended
Speaker 4: up being an eighty page book, and it's going through
Speaker 4: that process right now. Of is this I think it's
Speaker 4: going to end up being published. Scary, Jeff. That's where
Speaker 4: things are at.
Speaker 1: What is the cause you think of of this, this
Speaker 1: evil cabal, the medical industrial complex? What what is their
Speaker 1: ultimate goal? Is it depopulation? Is it absolute control of
Speaker 1: a population? What is it? Scott?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's both of those. So that's why they have
Speaker 4: a two prong agenda. They have the population control agenda
Speaker 4: and the climate control agenda, and that fits into the
Speaker 4: two halves of Revelation thirteen which we've talked about before,
Speaker 4: the anti christ system half and the false profit halfs
Speaker 4: So the antichrist system wants to manage population control and
Speaker 4: the false profit system wants to manage the climate control.
Speaker 4: So then you have the physical agenda population control, and
Speaker 4: then the false profit agenda worshiping the planet versus worshiping
Speaker 4: the creator. So we have, you know, the Antichrist and
Speaker 4: the false profit system dueling against each other, both haves
Speaker 4: of Satan's nature. So I see this as spiritual in
Speaker 4: that light. The population control agenda that they have a
Speaker 4: ready willing and able group to implement it on because
Speaker 4: they have convinced us that the government will take care
Speaker 4: of us as we age through free medical medicare and medicaid,
Speaker 4: although it's not free, but they've convinced us of this,
Speaker 4: and then they've also convinced us that we have to
Speaker 4: balance the budget, which we have a fiat currency. There's
Speaker 4: all such thing as a balanced budget. They can spend
Speaker 4: money on anything they want at any time, and they've
Speaker 4: proven it. But when it comes to medical they get
Speaker 4: us into this debate constantly that oh, we've got too
Speaker 4: many people on the program. Right now, there's one hundred
Speaker 4: and thirty five million, over one third of the population
Speaker 4: is on these programs. So we've got to do something
Speaker 4: to balance that budget. So what they do is to
Speaker 4: balance the budget is they ration care, and they have
Speaker 4: a whole complex that is run by the Centers for
Speaker 4: Medicare and Medicaid Services that is designed to hasten death
Speaker 4: through rational care. And that's how they're pulling it off.
Speaker 1: Well. Obamacare, many critics of it, like me, pointed to
Speaker 1: other socialized medicine systems by other governments around the world,
Speaker 1: and we warned about and talked about the so called
Speaker 1: death panels. When someone's too old or too sick, well,
Speaker 1: you know, you just can't continue to pay for that
Speaker 1: with our money. So even though we can spend money
Speaker 1: on anything anytime we want, and currency means nothing, we've
Speaker 1: got to save money here, and we've got to save
Speaker 1: money by letting people die. True, it's right on.
Speaker 4: Obamacare really became the last nail in that coffin. And
Speaker 4: so this was started already, well, a long time ago,
Speaker 4: but I mean officially when you look at the legal
Speaker 4: system and how they legalize things, I mean, in nineteen
Speaker 4: eighty the Health Human Services Department was created. Then that
Speaker 4: created the whole idea of Standards of Care CMS was
Speaker 4: created in July of nineteen sixty five, that's when Medicare
Speaker 4: Medicaids started. Surprisingly nursed not surprisingly, nursing homes came on
Speaker 4: the scene a couple of years later, because now we
Speaker 4: have to have a place to put all these people.
Speaker 4: Of course, we don't want the family to take care
Speaker 4: of them like God intended. So you got a place
Speaker 4: to put all of them, and you know, they can
Speaker 4: have the government pay for that their time in the
Speaker 4: nursing home as long as they submit to the standards
Speaker 4: of care that are designed to kill them. Yes, Obamacare,
Speaker 4: you know, specifically, if you look up section fifteen fifty
Speaker 4: three of Obamacare. This is an interesting deception because we
Speaker 4: as a country, we are extremely good at projecting our
Speaker 4: sin on other countries. So China's constant boogeyman. But in
Speaker 4: this case, I'm talking about Canada. So we point our
Speaker 4: fingers at Canada saying, look at their medical assistance and
Speaker 4: dying program, and we're the ones who started it. In Obamacare,
Speaker 4: Section fifteen fifty three specifically outlines the Youth and Asia
Speaker 4: agenda that you know that you're calling it the death
Speaker 4: panels that Sarah Palin weren't warned about, which you know,
Speaker 4: the death panels are incorporated in section fifteen fifty three.
Speaker 4: And you know, that's why I say Obamacare was the
Speaker 4: latest nail in the poppin because it really started way
Speaker 4: before Obamacare. Obamacare codified it. But if you think about
Speaker 4: how they did this over time, they started with the
Speaker 4: idea that okay, employers need to provide medical care for
Speaker 4: their employees. Well, what's the reason for that. Why does
Speaker 4: that become an employer obligation? So the population gets programmed
Speaker 4: over time, and so pretty soon the population is ready
Speaker 4: for mandatory health which Obamacare put in place. I mean,
Speaker 4: it took generations for that time period to happen. All
Speaker 4: a sudden March twenty third, twenty ten gets passed.
Speaker 1: How did how does you eugenics fit into all of this? Scott?
Speaker 4: Well, eugenics. What people would think about eugenics is that,
Speaker 4: you know, the cling of the population, the weaker people,
Speaker 4: they need to go for the benefit of society. And
Speaker 4: you know, so that's been around for a long time.
Speaker 4: But what what's happening now is that eugenics has become
Speaker 4: all of us. So we will one hundred percent of
Speaker 4: us will either be disabled or elderly someday. And so
Speaker 4: eugenics is applying not just across you know, very limited
Speaker 4: population groups, it's across the entire population group, because it
Speaker 4: applies to literally all of us. And you know, so
Speaker 4: how did they know when they will never come out
Speaker 4: in say we're operating in a eugenics program. So what
Speaker 4: they did is they labeled it with a term they
Speaker 4: didn't really label it, but I mean the term that
Speaker 4: labels eugenics is collectivism. And so the first stake in
Speaker 4: the ground with collectivism, and you know the definition of
Speaker 4: collectivism is we've got to do what's good for the
Speaker 4: population versus the good of the individual. Well, God is
Speaker 4: an individualist. So collectivism, when you think about it, it
Speaker 4: seems logical. Yeah, we got to worry about the majority,
Speaker 4: not the individual. It's like the idea of triaging. So
Speaker 4: triaging is a real thing. In an objective emergency, you've
Speaker 4: got to decide who you're going to treat and who
Speaker 4: you're not going to treat. But the idea of triaging
Speaker 4: across the population, that is satanic. So how they did this.
Speaker 4: In nineteen oh five, there was a Supreme Court case,
Speaker 4: Jacobson versus Massachusetts, And in that case, Jacobson was a
Speaker 4: pastor didn't want to take the small pox spect you,
Speaker 4: and he even proved to the court that the vaccine
Speaker 4: has side effects. But the court ignored him seven to
Speaker 4: two in favor of the state of Massachusetts. And that's
Speaker 4: where the spirit of collectivism was born. They said that
Speaker 4: at times of great danger, that the government has the
Speaker 4: right to implement things for the good of the population
Speaker 4: versus the good of the individual. You go ahead.
Speaker 1: That's exactly where the COVID vaccine mandates came exactly that
Speaker 1: nineteen o five.
Speaker 4: It wasn't great if it wasn't for that nineteen oh
Speaker 4: five case, there would be no such thing as mandates,
Speaker 4: but they gave a license to a Satanic government to
Speaker 4: implement mandates, and we fell for it, hook Lan and
Speaker 4: thinker Grace is dead because I fell for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's uh. I'm so glad that you continue
Speaker 1: this fight and you continue to research and you try
Speaker 1: to continue to get the word out, Scott Sherah about
Speaker 1: what's going on. I've only got unform fortunately, just a
Speaker 1: couple of minutes left. Can can you tell me? Can
Speaker 1: you tell the listener where they can go to get
Speaker 1: actual healthcare?
Speaker 4: That's a great question.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So there's a if you go to Grace's website,
Speaker 4: which is our amazing Grace dot map, we have an
Speaker 4: entire section. There's a resource tab. So if you look
Speaker 4: at the top of the website, there's a whole bunch
Speaker 4: of tabs and there's a resource tab. In that resource tab,
Speaker 4: you'll see a link to a website called Join the Wedge,
Speaker 4: and there's a couple other ones that are in that
Speaker 4: section also, And I'll just specifically talk about Join the
Speaker 4: Wedge because I know the lady who started her name
Speaker 4: was Twila Brase and what she did was create a
Speaker 4: system where doctors and nurses who choose willingly to not
Speaker 4: participate in Medicare and Medicaid any longer, so they're they're
Speaker 4: ejecting themselves out of the system, but they don't want
Speaker 4: to practice. So that's the criteria for signing up. And
Speaker 4: those are medical professionals then that are not bought by
Speaker 4: the ration care model that is run by the Center
Speaker 4: for Medicare and Medican Services. So that's a simple thing
Speaker 4: all of us can do. Their cash paid doctors and
Speaker 4: nurses do that before the need arise, get a relationship
Speaker 4: with one of them before.
Speaker 2: The need arises.
Speaker 4: And that's just a simple practical thing that we all
Speaker 4: have to do. You know, my wife and I did that,
Speaker 4: of course almost immediately, and it's the critical thing that
Speaker 4: we all should do right away.
Speaker 1: For more information on our Amazing Grace, your daughter, your buddy,
Speaker 1: go to our Amazing Grace dot net and you can
Speaker 1: find that resource information on the tabsheet if you'd like
Speaker 1: to break free of the cycle of this medical industrial
Speaker 1: complex that has taken over healthcare in our country. Scott Sharrah,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, and I hope that we'll be
Speaker 1: able to talk again soon for an.
Speaker 4: Update well of any time, Gary, Jeff, God bless.
Speaker 1: You, God bless you. And with that we will break.
Speaker 1: And when we come back. Kenneth o'bramowitz, the latest done
Speaker 1: Israel Gaza and the attempts at peace. I can't believe
Speaker 1: that he continues to let me bug him to do
Speaker 1: my show, and yet here he is once again. I
Speaker 1: am the major inconvenience in Andy Fourman's life because he
Speaker 1: has such a busy, such a full life. He has family,
Speaker 1: he has his work with the Point Arc, he does
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Eagle, the Northern Kentucky Tribune. He's just busy
Speaker 1: all the time, and yet he always makes time for
Speaker 1: little old me, And I am just so humbled by
Speaker 1: the fact that you could carve out a little bit
Speaker 1: of your busy day just for me for thank you
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute. When you use the word time, time
Speaker 2: translates to money. So have you not got my bills yet?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No, con money.
Speaker 1: You know that I've not gotten one invoice yet? How much?
Speaker 1: How much?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Since you brought this up, how much do you do
Speaker 1: I figuratively owe you? At this point For all of
Speaker 1: the appearances on Nightcaps, Andy have you got a running
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to put you in hawk. I do
Speaker 2: it because I enjoy you. I enjoy the company, I
Speaker 2: enjoy the platform you afford me on these airways.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not like other people. It's not like other
Speaker 1: people that you charge for your time, which is money.
Speaker 1: Because Andy's kind of like a lawyer. Any portion of
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes or more is a full hour. I mean
Speaker 1: just kind of kind of the way I charge iHeart
Speaker 1: for these shows. Any if I were not get into
Speaker 1: that I work for fifteen minutes, it's it's an hour's
Speaker 1: worth of my time. I think it should.
Speaker 2: Be very well, it should be you know, show prep
Speaker 2: and things like that. But obviously this conversation has nothing
Speaker 2: to do to your show prep that you're built up for. No,
Speaker 2: this is not show prepp.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: And so I'm sure you want to talk about the Bengals.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you do want to talk about the Bengals,
Speaker 2: but everybody else is I don't know what the big
Speaker 2: deal is. I mean, you know, it's funny because after
Speaker 2: this game on Sunday, I mean, everybody is a fan
Speaker 2: has an excuse. You know, they're not going to come
Speaker 2: out and say the Bengals are bad. The Bengals stink,
Speaker 2: and the Bengals.
Speaker 4: Have no future.
Speaker 2: Well, it was like a preseason game because Joe Flapple
Speaker 2: played his first game. They played five games, you know,
Speaker 2: with two and four. Now, I mean, really, I mean
Speaker 2: moral victory? What does that mean? I'm hearing this Marl victory?
Speaker 2: Could you help me?
Speaker 3: Am?
Speaker 2: I at the point in life where I'm just so downtrodden,
Speaker 2: negative and you know, pointing at the clouds. Is that
Speaker 2: is that where I've become? Or is this common sense?
Speaker 2: Like Maral victories? I don't think coaches won't moral victories. Really.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I see I see things going
Speaker 2: around around in the National Football League, and the longer
Speaker 2: I follow the game, and I'm not talking about ex's
Speaker 2: and o's, I'm looking at personalities. I see things that
Speaker 2: other factors tell me why the Bengals may not be successful. Look,
Speaker 2: this is a exhibit A. I don't think there's that
Speaker 2: much of a difference in players from teammate to team B. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it is somewhat better than others, but other than that,
Speaker 2: if you make the pros, you're a pretty darn good player.
Speaker 2: That's number one. The big key me in my mind,
Speaker 2: the difference being the coaches leadership. What do I mean
Speaker 2: by that? The other day I see Tour, the quarterback
Speaker 2: of the Miami Dophins, at a postgame news conference saying,
Speaker 2: the problem with the team is the fact that we
Speaker 2: have little clicks and some of the players are not
Speaker 2: attending team meetings and the coming late. Really, would that
Speaker 2: ever ever happen on a Bill Belichick coach team would
Speaker 2: never have up in Buffalo or Detroit with their coaches.
Speaker 2: You know, there's no respect at the top. There's going
Speaker 2: to be sloppiness at the bottom. Let me tell you
Speaker 2: something to her. You lost that game. You had three
Speaker 2: interceptions of that game, man up to it. How dare
Speaker 2: you go up there at the news conference at point
Speaker 2: fingers at teammates when you lost the game, you out
Speaker 2: there and say it's on me? And I really believe
Speaker 2: that the teams that are successful right now, Look at
Speaker 2: the Denver Broncos. You know, before their coaching change they
Speaker 2: were downtrodden. They're a playoff contender right now. I look
Speaker 2: at the teams that are really good and competitive. Are
Speaker 2: the teams that have top notch guys in charge, not
Speaker 2: just great play callers, great leaders.
Speaker 1: Agreed with you. Sean Payton May has made a world
Speaker 1: of difference for the Broncos, great Dan Campbell. Before that,
Speaker 1: how many years were the Lions just moribund and and
Speaker 1: I really ridiculous. And in a major city in the US,
Speaker 1: an NNFL franchise that had been in operation for decades,
Speaker 1: the Lions, and they were always the joke of the
Speaker 1: league until Dan Campbell came in.
Speaker 2: You look at and look what happened in Tennessee. You
Speaker 2: know your hometown. You know, they fired their coach the
Speaker 2: other day. He had roots to the Bengals. He was
Speaker 2: the Bengals offensive coordina. Obviously not a great leader, you know,
Speaker 2: and obviously I wish him well. I don't see anybody
Speaker 2: ever get fired. But the point is that they can't
Speaker 2: do the job is the door, and obviously he could
Speaker 2: do the job, but maybe it's because the lack of
Speaker 2: leadership he worked under made him fail.
Speaker 1: Perhaps, Well you look at at Miami. You were talking
Speaker 1: about the two A press conference and saying, you know
Speaker 1: that there's clicks on the team and not everybody makes
Speaker 1: it to meetings or practice on time. And right when
Speaker 1: they hired this offensive genius in Miami, did they hire
Speaker 1: a leader or did they just hire an egghead who
Speaker 1: had lots of good ideas on NFL offense. I think
Speaker 1: it may have been the latter. You look at the
Speaker 1: last couple of years and.
Speaker 2: You look at look at Mike McDaniel. He looks like
Speaker 2: a geek. He really does. I heard him on the
Speaker 2: news conference after twist remarks, and he was just stammering
Speaker 2: and stuttering it into what to say if I'm the owner,
Speaker 2: if I'm the president of the team, if I'm the
Speaker 2: general manager, and hear that there's the door, how do
Speaker 2: you let that happen on you under your watch? I
Speaker 2: mean he says it was taking out of contact, and
Speaker 2: no it wasn't. He basically said that you could not
Speaker 2: control the team. That's what he's saying. Really And obviously
Speaker 2: if you look at this guy, he's probably he should
Speaker 2: be a bean counter, not a head coach.
Speaker 1: Well, you talk about he should do you talk about
Speaker 1: the Titans Jettison Brian Callahan mid season they also got
Speaker 1: rid of Mike Vrabel. But you know what, Mike Vrabel
Speaker 1: has been stellar with the New England Patriots back Home
Speaker 1: or one belongs, but.
Speaker 2: He learned he's part of the Bill Belichip Tree, Yes,
Speaker 2: that's why. But he was there's a connection, definitely a connection.
Speaker 2: It really is. And if anybody can see that, they're
Speaker 2: foolish and you've thought about the offensive line, and these
Speaker 2: guys are not that bad. Okay, they're not playing well,
Speaker 2: and that maybe because the leadership. I just don't think
Speaker 2: there's that much of a difference between Team A and TV.
Speaker 2: And then as the Football League with Alan, I really
Speaker 2: don't think there is.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think the Bengals have a
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett on defense, even if you include Hendrix.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean those guys. You talk about hall
Speaker 2: of famers and every team does not have a hall
Speaker 2: of Fame.
Speaker 1: No, and I agree with.
Speaker 2: You, he's a hall of famer. But I think that
Speaker 2: you take a team without a hall of famer on it.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's that much of a difference between
Speaker 2: Team A and TV. I really don't. It's coaching, it's leadership,
Speaker 2: it's you know, guys on the New England Patriots will
Speaker 2: be shaking in their boots to say something. But two
Speaker 2: is said in a news conference when Belichick was coaching.
Speaker 2: There's no way, There's no.
Speaker 1: Way I think I think they'd be shaking in their
Speaker 1: boots now that Vrabel's there, and oh, no doubt. And
Speaker 1: Rabel is a player's kind of coach. They all love him,
Speaker 1: but he's a leader. I when when the Bengals hired
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor, it was off of that off that Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Rams coaching staff.
Speaker 2: Ten people say who he never He never.
Speaker 1: Had had head coaching experience anywhere coach, He was never
Speaker 1: a coordinator. He didn't know how to lead men. He
Speaker 1: knew how to maybe instruct quarterbacks. He knows the game,
Speaker 1: but but it doesn't there's a there's a distinct difference.
Speaker 1: You are absolutely one correct for a ball there's.
Speaker 2: A let me ask you this or two of the questions. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if I know that, you know that you agree with me.
Speaker 2: How come general managers or presidents of ball clubs that
Speaker 2: interview potential coaching candidates don't know that. I want a
Speaker 2: guy with experience. It would be like if I want
Speaker 2: on a plane and the pilot is having his first flight,
Speaker 2: I think I'm never get off. Really, I think away
Speaker 2: for the next one. I want an experienced guy.
Speaker 1: We're up in the air, we're getting back, We're getting
Speaker 1: back to something that I know is a touchy subject
Speaker 1: for you because you love Mike Brown and you know
Speaker 1: he kept the team in Cincinnati. But who is the
Speaker 1: general manager of the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 2: I'm not so certain Mike interviewed Zach Taylor. I don't
Speaker 2: know that.
Speaker 1: But who is who is the general manager?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: I think that maybe Katie had something to do with
Speaker 2: that interview.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, that that points the finger back to our
Speaker 1: original discussion, Andy, who is the leader of the Cincinnati Bengals?
Speaker 1: You don't know? They're leading by commitments, you know, and
Speaker 1: you have to have somebody in Tennessee. I'm beginning to
Speaker 1: believe the problem with the Titans is not the head coach,
Speaker 1: it's the front office because there's no leadership there. Mike
Speaker 1: Vrabel couldn't win in Tennessee. And this guy, Brian cow Hand,
Speaker 1: who's not a leader. He's an offensive coordinator, maybe an
Speaker 1: NFL genius as far as designing offensive schemes and plots
Speaker 1: and plans and plays. But there is no leadership where
Speaker 1: there's no leadership in the front office. How many different
Speaker 1: general managers have the Cleveland Browns had?
Speaker 2: And there's right too, right, and there's another side to
Speaker 2: that coin too. You could be a meddling leader. And
Speaker 2: I say like that. I look at the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 2: Jerry Jellones, He's in the locker room after every game,
Speaker 2: if every game, he goes into the player's locker room
Speaker 2: and is Michael Parsons deal. You know that that was
Speaker 2: a backbreaker. It really was, I mean hit for him
Speaker 2: to get involved and do what he did to that
Speaker 2: ball club. Right now, you don't think it broke that
Speaker 2: locker room in half. So there's a problem being a
Speaker 2: leader as far as leading in the right direction or
Speaker 2: just a meddling leader. There's two types of leaders.
Speaker 1: Boy, I tell you what. Last night, I saw a
Speaker 1: leader on the sidelines for the Atlanta Falcons, they're head coach.
Speaker 1: I saw a leader there. And they had they had
Speaker 1: Buffalo at home, and you know, the team that a
Speaker 1: lot of people are picking to be the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: representative from the AFC, the Buffalo Bills and the great
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, and they made them look really small last night.
Speaker 2: I agree. I agree, and.
Speaker 1: There because there's leadership on the sidelines. The reason that
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers, year in and year out, no matter
Speaker 1: what kind of talent they had are always in the hunt.
Speaker 1: They missed the playoffs what two years in the last
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen. They have a leader, Mike Tomlin. There's
Speaker 1: no question who the leader is. So who was the
Speaker 1: leader of the Cincinnati Bengals. It's certainly not Zach Taylor.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's funny because of the off season,
Speaker 2: the media pointed a finger at Joe Burrow, and that's
Speaker 2: a sad state of affairs. When Joe Burrow basically was
Speaker 2: kind of making demands through the media as what this
Speaker 2: team should do. You know, they should sign to hit,
Speaker 2: they should re up Jamar Chase, they should do this. Okay,
Speaker 2: and they did, and I think they did at the
Speaker 2: advice or the whispers of Joe Burrow. Somebody left for
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's protection. You know.
Speaker 1: I when when there was no actual leadership at the
Speaker 1: top of the organization, then there's a void and somebody
Speaker 1: has to fill it. Joe felt like he was pressed
Speaker 1: into a corner and had to fill that leadership role
Speaker 1: and use the media and and dictate what would go
Speaker 1: on when this team because there is nobody.
Speaker 2: On any other team. Have you looked have you ever
Speaker 2: seen Tom Brady when he played for the Patriots. And look,
Speaker 2: let's go back to the history of the Patriots. They
Speaker 2: may have had only one Hall of Fame receiver during
Speaker 2: his career, really, Randy Moss. I mean other than that
Speaker 2: the great receivers, you know, great players, but really truly
Speaker 2: no outstand Hall of Famer okay, no, no Jamar Chase
Speaker 2: on the New England Patriots. But you never heard Tom
Speaker 2: Brady go public and say I think the organizations should
Speaker 2: get this and never never play the game, get your
Speaker 2: paid check and go home. That's what they did in
Speaker 2: this town. It's like, you know, I want this. I
Speaker 2: think we better get this. You know enough, you know
Speaker 2: I'm tired, and you know what, they got that and
Speaker 2: they still can't win. The last year you wt MVP numbers, Joe,
Speaker 2: and you're still going to make the playoffs. I mean,
Speaker 2: so like you say, and I say, I agreed as well.
Speaker 2: You know, let them so called geniuses who run this team,
Speaker 2: whoever runs the team, let them go on the drawing board,
Speaker 2: figure out what's needed, and then maybe he could put
Speaker 2: a winner on the field. Really, and I don't think
Speaker 2: one player should be that that important to have a
Speaker 2: winning season. I mean, I remember when the Miami Dolphins
Speaker 2: went down and Old Morrill came in. Who was that?
Speaker 2: Dan Marino got hurt and Old Marrill came in and
Speaker 2: took them to the super Bowl. I mean, you can
Speaker 2: win if you start player goes down, but not in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Was it Dan Marino or was it are are you going?
Speaker 1: Or are you going? Back to seventy two when Earl
Speaker 1: Morale came in and led him to the came in?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think Marino he was playing in seventy two. No,
Speaker 1: he was, he was, and and.
Speaker 2: Well, okay it was it was Marino and Earl Morrell
Speaker 2: came in.
Speaker 1: Okay, it was Marina and Earl Morral came in. And
Speaker 1: they still didn't win.
Speaker 2: But you know, there wasn't the point that the beat
Speaker 2: they really they really just skip a beat exactly.
Speaker 1: I In any organization, when there is a void of leadership,
Speaker 1: chaos usually ensues. You see it. You see it with countries,
Speaker 1: you see it in the NFL, you see it in
Speaker 1: in companies when there is.
Speaker 2: You know, you see it in the city of Cincinnati. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 2: I mean again, I heard the news this morning and
Speaker 2: again they said there was two shooting, two shootings in
Speaker 2: the Fountain Square last night, and it's terrible. It really
Speaker 2: is demoralizing to the city because that news gets out
Speaker 2: all over the country. But more than that, after that
Speaker 2: was announced, they had the mayor and it's the same
Speaker 2: old story. It's like, you know, we need to do this.
Speaker 2: It's discussing. It's kind of stuff. I don't want to
Speaker 2: hear that anymore. Do something about it. It's almost very similar.
Speaker 2: It's very similar, to be honest with you, if every
Speaker 2: Bangal's loss that kill us, that's the same thing. We
Speaker 2: got to get better. And I suggested to the people
Speaker 2: that run seven hundred WLW if every Bangals loss, just
Speaker 2: pull out any tape, because every tape sounds the same
Speaker 2: after every loss. We've got to get better. We've got
Speaker 2: to practice, we got we've gotta do this. We got
Speaker 2: to get better. He's been saying the same thing for
Speaker 2: three years now, We've got to get better, and the
Speaker 2: mayor of Cincinnati's saying the same thing. It's not right.
Speaker 2: We've got to stop now now. He wants to have
Speaker 2: a curfew earlier. You know, why don't you just like
Speaker 2: close the life at four in the afternoons and no
Speaker 2: one could come downtown at all. Why don't you kill
Speaker 2: all the businesses downtown?
Speaker 1: And they talk about root causes at a certain point,
Speaker 1: maybe the root causes you have tab Maybe you heard
Speaker 1: the root cause.
Speaker 2: He may get re elected. That's the sad news, all right.
Speaker 1: It is said. Let's let's let's take away one bright point,
Speaker 1: one possible bright point, please from me from the Bengals
Speaker 1: game against Green Bay on sum Catch three.
Speaker 2: Much improved that three days.
Speaker 1: With three days of learning the Bengals playbook and getting
Speaker 1: a playbook on the car ride down from Cleveland, Joe
Speaker 1: Flacco proved that he is a veteran quarterback and more
Speaker 1: than up to the challenges that are there as opposed
Speaker 1: to Jake Browning.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, there's all doubt in my mind. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's been there, done that, he's played the game. He
Speaker 2: knows what he's gotta do. Just throw the ball at
Speaker 2: Jamar and you'll get it done. But the funny thing
Speaker 2: is that you see the comments that Mike Tomlin made
Speaker 2: yesterday this news conference, and Mike never ever says anything
Speaker 2: about any any other team. He said that he was
Speaker 2: shocked that the Cleveland Browns let Joe Flacco go number one.
Speaker 2: How do you let a guy who started the season
Speaker 2: view as the number one quarterback? How do you have
Speaker 2: number one dump him and number two? How do you
Speaker 2: trade it to a same rival in the same division. Well,
Speaker 2: I mean it made a lot of sense, It really did.
Speaker 2: It makes the Browns looks really.
Speaker 1: Foolish because there's a common bond between the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 1: and the Cincinnati Bengals, lack of leadership at the top.
Speaker 1: And with that, we will close it out for a ball.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your.
Speaker 2: And you're the leader here, you're our leader.
Speaker 1: Well I think there's I don't think there's any question
Speaker 1: about that. I see you later, all right, I see
Speaker 1: you bye.