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Speaker 2: All Right, good afternoon, Welcome in the Tuesday edition of

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Speaker 2: Cincy three sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to our friends at Skyline Chili. Hope you're having

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Speaker 2: an awesome, awesome afternoon and joining the final days of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Thanks for joining us. We got a

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Speaker 2: lot to get to in the next three hours. Joe

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Speaker 2: Daniman from Fox nineteen will join us at one o'clock.

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Speaker 2: We have a lot of Bengals to sift through the

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Speaker 2: decision to play Joe Burrow, MO and I yesterday and

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Speaker 2: Liutoni Moo Football Show talked a lot about the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three draft class and some upcoming decisions that this

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Speaker 2: team will be faced with. I want to dive more

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Speaker 2: into that today. The Bearcats last night Austin. I think

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Speaker 2: it's a game when the sea and ends that people

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Speaker 2: will say, you remember when the season turned around against Lipscomb?

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the turnaround for Bearcats basketball against Lipscomb.

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Speaker 2: We'll see the Bearcats have the Houston Cougars on Saturday,

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Speaker 2: but you'll hear what Wes Miller had to say after

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Speaker 2: a win last night and a new starting lineup for

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Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bearcats. We'll also talk a little bit at

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Speaker 2: Zavier Musketeers as they welcome in the Yukon Huskies tomorrow

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Speaker 2: to the Cintas Center. At five o'clock, we'll dive into

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Speaker 2: the week eighteen NFL schedule along with playoff scenarios. We'll

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Speaker 2: look a little bit more into that Pittsburgh Baltimore matchup,

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Speaker 2: not just for the AFC North title this year, but

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Speaker 2: implications that could have on the off season, potential coaching vacancies,

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Speaker 2: and more on the AFC North as a whole. Before

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Speaker 2: we get into that, we'll look into the top sports

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Speaker 2: stories around the world, and we'll take your phone calls

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Speaker 2: all throughout the afternoon five to one to three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty before we.

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Speaker 3: Go any further. Okay, happy fiftieth birthday to Tiger Woods

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Speaker 3: Wow l T. Gray Eldrick turns fitty today, which means

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Speaker 3: tone he's now eligible for the Champions Tour if he

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Speaker 3: chooses to do so. Did you ever back in the

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Speaker 3: day follow the Tiger Tracker? Oh yeah, I used to

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Speaker 3: have every tweet and I still have the notifications on

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Speaker 3: for the Tiger Tracker. And you can imagine how much

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Speaker 3: I freaked out this morning when I woke up and

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Speaker 3: looked at my phone with a tweet from the Tiger

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Speaker 3: Tracker saying, which hasn't tweeted in five years. By the way, Oh,

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Speaker 3: happy birthday to the big fella.

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Speaker 2: Well, how about as well, Happy forty first to Lebron James.

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Speaker 2: No way, Lebron's forty one today?

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Speaker 3: You're kidding? Is he actually?

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Speaker 2: Him and Tiger Woods share the same birthday? My god,

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Speaker 2: Four time NBA Champ, four time Finals MVP, four time

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Speaker 2: MVP All Star for twenty years, somehow I didn't know

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Speaker 2: the Lebron was forty one forty one. I still I

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Speaker 2: just always think he's like thirty eight. Lebron James thirty

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Speaker 2: eight for the last three years one speaking of just

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Speaker 2: a kid from a speaking of age, the time has

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Speaker 2: settled in the NFL career of won Philip Rivers, it's over.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: They have announced today that they will let Riley Leonard

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Speaker 2: make their final start of the season in Indianapolis. Wow,

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Speaker 2: So Philip rivers three game magical run has come to

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Speaker 2: an end. He has already said he will not be

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Speaker 2: making another return to the National Football League.

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Speaker 3: Philip Rivers and Joe Flacco combined to go like one

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Speaker 3: in six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and their fun runs. But they were all fun games.

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Speaker 2: What a fun run? You want to talk about some fun?

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Speaker 2: How about this? Earlier today, the finalist for the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six Pro Football Hall of Fame have been named, right,

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Speaker 2: big Willie Style. Yes, Willie Anderson a finalist. Listen to

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Speaker 2: this class, Willie Anderson, Drew Brees.

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Speaker 3: These are the finalist. Yes, class? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Jerry Evans?

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Speaker 4: Was it?

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Speaker 2: Jarry Jarry Evans, Larry Fitzgerald, Frank Gore, Tory Holt, part

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Speaker 2: of the greatest show on turf.

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Speaker 2: Luke Keickley, Cincinnati's own.

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Speaker 3: Luke Keigley was fantastic again last night.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say today. Playbook, the Monday Night Playbook

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Speaker 2: Em and Dan Orlofsky.

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Speaker 3: I think talks just a little too much, but it's

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Speaker 2: I think they're still trying to work through some things.

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Speaker 2: is awesome. Luke Keigley is a finalist, Eli Manning, Terrell Suggs,

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Speaker 3: I think Breeze obviously is a shoe in. Okay, Fitzgerald

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Speaker 3: Adam Viniti. I know that this is a hot talk,

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Speaker 3: Jason Witten is a Hall of Famer. He's just not.

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Speaker 3: He is the most overrated player in the history of

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Speaker 2: Do you think he'll get in this class?

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 3: I do, just because he was a cowboy, because people

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Speaker 3: liked him. But make no mistake, there is no more

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Speaker 3: overrated player in the history of this league than Jason

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Speaker 3: Wittler exactly if if he didn't play for the Cowboys,

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Speaker 3: in the Senior Committee, Anders Anderson is also a finalist,

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Speaker 3: so there's a chance the Bengals could get two in.

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Speaker 2: Okay, some other happenings. How about this The Joker Nikola Jokic, Yes,

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Speaker 2: be reevaluated in four weeks, so four week absence coming

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Speaker 2: up for the Joker. What's going on with Stefan dis.

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Speaker 3: Stefan Diggs is facing charges in Boston from a December

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Speaker 3: Apparently he is offered this person, the alleged victim, a

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Speaker 3: continue to gather information cooperate fully with the appropriate authorities

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Speaker 3: in the NFL as necessary.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So how about this, Chip Kelly has found a

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Speaker 2: new home, chip Northwestern's OC.

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Speaker 3: Good for him.

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Speaker 2: Chip Kelly, Northwestern, good for him? What else do we have?

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Speaker 2: How about this? I follow along with the college football

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Speaker 2: Transfer portal? Why well listen to this. There are already

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Speaker 2: have that plan. Also, Monday Night football last night? Yes,

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Speaker 2: is Matthew Stafford still the MVP? I think in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: I think so because the votes were put in early December.

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Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken. Okay, should he be the MVP?

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Speaker 3: Of the National Football lead. Yeah, I still think so.

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Speaker 2: Okay, last night what a fun one if you're an

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Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons fan or just a fan of football in general.

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Speaker 2: The Falcons nearly blew a twenty one point lead that

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Speaker 2: but they beat the Rams last night. They jumped up

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Speaker 3: And who else had one?

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Speaker 2: Xavier Watshead too.

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Speaker 2: Would you take me right now? Xavier wats or Barrett

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Speaker 3: Jon has that easy gas unbelievable. Next thing, you know,

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Speaker 2: K watching that last time, I'm like, man, how are

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Speaker 2: Got talent for the last ten years, I've got talent.

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Speaker 2: You want to talk about that division and turmoil. Man

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Speaker 2: Falcons and the Saints are playing the best football the

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Speaker 2: teams that are actually playing for something. The Panthers and

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Speaker 2: the Bucks are both struggling. And now, because of Atlanta's

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Speaker 2: win last night, if Atlanta beats the Saints, the Panthers

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Speaker 3: That's correct.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Saints beat the Falcons and the Bucks

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Speaker 3: That's right. Tampa has to win and Atlanta has to

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Speaker 3: lose or tie. Meanwhile, Carolina wins or ties, or Atlanta

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Speaker 2: It felt last night like the Rams were gonna complete

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Speaker 2: the comeback. It was twenty four to ten and the

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Speaker 2: Falcons were lining up for a very makeable field goal

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Speaker 2: and Jared Verse blocks the kick and then returns its

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Speaker 2: all right, I've seen how this goes before. But shout

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Speaker 2: out to Kirk Cousins and Bijon Robinson. They get him

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Speaker 2: back into field goal range, and with twenty one seconds left,

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Speaker 2: Zane Gonzalez hits a fifty one yarder and the Falcons

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Speaker 2: beat the Rams twenty seven to twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Flacco has done, with the discourse around younger quarterbacks maybe

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Speaker 3: future of one Kirk Cousins and what that would mean

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Speaker 3: for him, because clearly there is still a market for

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Speaker 3: a guy like him. I think he'd be really good

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Speaker 3: with Shanahan's offense in San Francisco, But hell, they've got

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Speaker 3: mac Jones to back up brock Purty. Sure, Where could

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Speaker 3: kirk Cousins end up next year? I think is a

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Speaker 3: fun storyline in then it's a good.

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Speaker 2: Question outside of the Bearcats win last night, other teams

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Speaker 2: locally in action College Basketball Slate, what do you make

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Speaker 2: of the bounce back for the Norse Austin going to

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Speaker 2: Yep. Other teams in action last night? Can I tell

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Speaker 2: you who's really good? Michigan basketball not interested. They were

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back since he three to sixty. ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 2: I missed one. Kenyon Martin, Kenyon Happy Birthday. Kenyon Martin, Okay,

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Speaker 3: At the time of Jason Witten's retirement in twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 2: All right, here we go, Week eighteen. Here are your

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Speaker 2: going to do at quarterback. And it just feels it's

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Speaker 2: called what it is. It's an aging roster. It's a

437
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Speaker 2: roster that's getting older, not as dominant on defense. This year.

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Speaker 2: At some point you mentioned aging Derek, He's got to

439
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Speaker 2: slow down. At some point, Lamar's body, at least for

440
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Speaker 2: this year, is started to give out a little bit,

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Speaker 2: and you wondered, all of the hits and the running

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Speaker 2: that he did early in his career, would that ever

443
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Speaker 2: be the case? But I know we're talking about Week eighteen, Austin,

444
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Speaker 2: but I can't help but think when you look at

445
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Speaker 2: the Ravens and you look at the Pittsburgh Steelers and

446
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Speaker 2: you start to think of twenty twenty six, are the

447
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Speaker 2: Bengals in the most enviable spot going into twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: six from at least a roster standpoint.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Cleveland has a pretty decent roster. They

450
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Speaker 3: got to figure out quarterback, but like I still think

451
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Speaker 3: they're what they have figured out now. I don't know

452
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Speaker 3: the severity of quin Shawn Judkins, but the production that

453
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Speaker 3: they got out of their rookies this year, Carson Swessinger

454
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Speaker 3: is going to win the defensive Rookie of the Year.

455
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Speaker 3: Harold Fannin looks like a hit. Quin Shawn looks like

456
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Speaker 3: a hit. Now, obviously you still got to figure out quarterback,

457
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Speaker 3: but that defense is still very good and they're probably

458
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Speaker 3: gonna have they are going to have the Jags first

459
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Speaker 3: round pick. They're gonna have two first round picks. So

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Speaker 3: I think Cleveland might be in the best in terms

461
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Speaker 3: of like top to bottom roster than any of the

462
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Speaker 3: other number nine though. But that's the difference, right, And

463
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Speaker 3: so there's questions obviously about the quarterback position in Baltimore,

464
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Speaker 3: questions about the quarterback position in Pittsburgh, questions about the

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Speaker 3: quarterback position in Cleveland. So for that reason, I feel

466
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Speaker 3: like it's Cleveland and Cincinnati very close to one another,

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Speaker 3: and then a halfway decent gap between Pittsburgh and Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. One other NFL note. Moegger pointed this out last night.

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Speaker 2: Right now betting favorite to win the Super Bowl Seattle

470
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Speaker 2: and the Los Angeles rams at plus five fifty And

471
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Speaker 2: as moe pointed out, one of the co favorites to

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Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl is currently a sixth seed in

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Speaker 2: the NFC.

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Speaker 3: Can they win three playoff games? Great question the road.

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Speaker 2: There was also yesterday a poll question that we came

476
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Speaker 2: up with what we were doing the Tony and moo

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Speaker 2: Football Show. And I want to ask you this, Austin,

478
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Speaker 2: if you could hire one of these coaches to coach

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Speaker 2: your football team next year, the AFC North, because I

480
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Speaker 2: think it's fascinating. I have Pittsburgh friends who would take

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Speaker 2: Zach Taylor and a heart beat. A lot of the

482
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Speaker 2: fans in Cincinnati, or some of the fans in Cincinnati

483
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Speaker 2: are ready to move on from Zach Taylor and would

484
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Speaker 2: take Mike Tomlin and a heart beat. Kevin Stefanski has

485
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Speaker 2: been a coach of the year. You look at what

486
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Speaker 2: Harrball has done in Baltimore. Moe put it as a

487
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Speaker 2: poll question yesterday, one of those coaches to coach the

488
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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals next year, who would your pick me?

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Speaker 3: Of the four? Yes, current AFC North coach Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 2: I was surprised on Moe's Twitter poll that Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 2: got thirty seven percent of the votes, John Harball got

492
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Speaker 2: thirty five percent, Stefanski got sixteen, and just twelve percent

493
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Speaker 2: of the votes went to Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 3: Why are you surprised by that? People hate his guts?

495
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Speaker 2: I just I but I thought at a.

496
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Speaker 3: There's this thought out there that the grass is always greener.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, if you're a big fan, why you

498
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Speaker 3: would think Mike Tomlin is this great coach. He's just

499
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Speaker 3: rotated coordinators over and over and over and over again

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Speaker 3: over the course of his career. They haven't won a

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Speaker 3: playoff game in ten years. They he won the Super

502
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Speaker 3: Bowl with Bill Cowers team and with the Hall of

503
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Speaker 3: Fame quarterback in Ben Roethlisberger got blown out in the

504
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Speaker 3: other Super Bowl by the way that they got to

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's he's it's the same stuff over and

506
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Speaker 3: over again. They play the same game every year. That's cool,

507
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Speaker 3: you're in the conversation at nine and eight, But I mean,

508
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Speaker 3: we had this whole thing last year. The standard is

509
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Speaker 3: higher than nine and eight. It's more than just get

510
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Speaker 3: to the playoffs. It's more than just be above five hundred.

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Speaker 3: That's all Mike Tomlin has done.

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Speaker 2: I was sent a stat yesterday that Mike Tomlin in

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Speaker 2: their last five games against teams entering with eight or

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Speaker 2: more games below five hundred is oh four and one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Going back to twenty twenty, the lost to Ryan Finley

517
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Speaker 2: here for a two to ten and one Bengals team.

518
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Speaker 2: To say, Zach Taylor's been pretty good against him. They

519
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: tied the zero to eight Lions in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: They lost in twenty twenty three to the two and

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Speaker 2: ten Cardinals. In twenty twenty three they lost to the

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Speaker 2: two and ten Patriots, and last week they lost to

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Speaker 2: the three and twelve Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 3: They've lost to Cleveland and Cleveland like four years in

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Speaker 3: a row, haven't they. I just think by the way

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Speaker 3: they lost to the Browns in a playoff game at

527
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Speaker 3: home led by Baker Mayfield, I.

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Speaker 2: Just think it's I think there is significant fallout that

529
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Speaker 2: happens from the losing team on Sunday night.

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Speaker 3: I believe the words that Adam Schefter said is that

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Speaker 3: there is a wide ranging of potential outcomes for whoever

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Speaker 3: loses that game. Yeah, I feel like if Pittsburgh gets

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Speaker 3: to the playoffs, he's safe.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think both teams are safe. What do you mean, well,

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Speaker 2: I mean I don't think with a loss, does Baltimore

536
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Speaker 2: think about harball at all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, That's what I'm saying, Like, yeah, they're both coaches.

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Speaker 3: I think if.

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Speaker 2: I think a lost for the one makes it uneasy.

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Speaker 3: Correct, But you just said both are safe.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean whichever one makes the playoffs a safe.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I agree. The thing that I think is

543
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: interesting with hardball is Now, there's these rumors out there

544
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: about this disconnect with Lamar jacks two time MVP Lamar Jackson.

545
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: We have no proof that this is really happening, but

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Speaker 3: there's a rumor out there that Lamar's been staying up

547
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Speaker 3: late playing video games and falling asleep in meetings. Him

548
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Speaker 3: and Kyler, Him and Kyler and Jermaine Burton. I don't

549
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Speaker 3: know if is it a call of duty release? That's time.

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Speaker 3: I got a PS five now, is this like a release?

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Speaker 3: Call of duty is dead?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Wow, it's over man. Okay, but that's I could do

554
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: three hours on that. I don't want to talk about it, but.

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Speaker 2: We'll take a break. We'll come back. We'll open up

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Speaker 2: the phone lines five, one, three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: We'll also see North runs through the state of Ohio

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Speaker 3: from now on.

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Speaker 2: There it is. We'll talk well from football from Monday on.

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Speaker 2: It's like football in the state of Ohio as well.

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Speaker 2: Still to come. ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks

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Speaker 2: to Skyline Chiley.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to football in the NATI on ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati dy Bengals.

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Speaker 5: Your front row seat to the fiercest debates in sports.

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Speaker 2: to call in five one, three, seven, four nine fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: We'll go there right now to talk to Mike. What's up, Mike?

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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Merry Christmas. Not too bad, Mike, how about you?

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Speaker 4: Worst I've ever had in my life.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was not good at all. How about you, Austin?

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Speaker 3: Not too bad at all?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 3: I was. I was pretty pretty happy.

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Speaker 4: Good for you. Hey, you know what I got? I

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Speaker 4: never heard that. End of the year shown again on

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Speaker 4: Thursday Tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow, it'll be a normal, normal first hour and then

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Speaker 2: we'll we'll rerun some of it to kind of recap

585
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five and look ahead to twenty twenty six

586
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Speaker 2: an hour two and three.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if you included my announcement of having spent

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Speaker 4: time in prison. That rocks the.

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Speaker 2: It did? It did? That was one of the point

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Speaker 2: a major major point in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Well, so, I've never felt so bad in my life.

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Speaker 2: Prison run.

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Speaker 4: You know what's intriguing me right now is about the Bengals.

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Speaker 4: Is I think the Bengals and the Niners are a

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Speaker 4: lot alike in their in their in their entire team.

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Speaker 4: Think about think about the quarterbacks, both really good, really good,

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Speaker 4: and then compare the defenses not that good. The offenses

598
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Speaker 4: can score on anybody. There's just a lot of similarities there.

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Speaker 4: Except I would take Shamhan over Zach Taylor all day long.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would take that. And I think too with

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Speaker 2: Robert Sala. I think he's gonna find his footing. They've

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Speaker 2: been decimated with injuries. Anytime you lose a guy like

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Speaker 2: Fred Warner, that's a lot to overcome. They lost Nick Bosa,

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Speaker 2: So I get the defense and what they need to

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Speaker 2: be doing. But man, like, when you watch San Francisco

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Speaker 2: A lot of times I watch the Bengals, and this

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Speaker 2: is not to discredit z Act, but you see the

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Speaker 2: greatness of Joe Burrow shine through all the time. When

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Speaker 2: I watch San Francisco, you just constantly see movements and

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Speaker 2: schemes and players and setting up different things. And I

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Speaker 2: think what Shanahan has done with Brock Party, and they

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Speaker 2: did it shorthanded the other night without George Kittle and

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Speaker 2: I Yuke's been out all year. But what I think

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Speaker 2: is fascinating is you can watch now in person and

615
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Speaker 2: you can see Brock Party's confidence growing game the game

616
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Speaker 2: and the players have talked about that as well, but

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Speaker 2: there's a great, great level of confidence in which they

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Speaker 2: are playing with. They're only gonna get healthier, and very quietly,

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Speaker 2: as we met, they're going to be playing for the

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Speaker 2: number one overall seed on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: Now, who in the hell will have even guessed that

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Speaker 4: a month ago. None of us, None of us, unless

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Speaker 4: maybe one of you did. I don't think so. I

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Speaker 4: haven't heard anybody say they said possible playoff team, but

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Speaker 4: number one seed. No, nobody saw that. And that was

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Speaker 4: a really fun game to watch.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was awesome. Awesome.

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Speaker 4: Now I know you don't like me talking about well

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Speaker 4: I stuff, but that game last night.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Of course we always complained about the associating because it's

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Speaker 4: just so pervasive anymore, and not in that game, but

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Speaker 4: in all games the mess calls, but that call on too.

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Speaker 4: Two out well there when they were trying to come

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Speaker 4: down and score that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was and the and the announcers were adamant

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Speaker 2: as well that that is a that is a clear

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Speaker 2: pass interference call would have obviously at the very minimum,

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Speaker 2: gave the Rams a chance to kick the field goal

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Speaker 2: to tie and even a shot at the end zone

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Speaker 2: to win it. But I agree that that was a

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Speaker 2: call that both announcers were in agreement with that that

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Speaker 2: was a clear pass interference. But I think Aikman as

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Speaker 2: well as like, that's just a hard call to make

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Speaker 2: in the moment when things are are happening so fast.

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Speaker 2: But it did it. It It changed the outcome of

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Speaker 2: the game and in turn changes the outcome of the

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Speaker 2: playoff seating as well for the Rams.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it really screwed them because at five they would

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Speaker 4: have had not easy going but pretty not bad.

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Speaker 2: At six, Yeah, it's a whole different a whole different animal.

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Speaker 4: Oh they're in trouble now. What what's the ruling you

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Speaker 4: guys on on when they're going to review something? Can

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Speaker 4: they not ever review pass interference or how's that work?

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Speaker 2: I don't believe so that's not reviewable yet, is it? Austin?

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Speaker 3: No, they did it for a year and it was

657
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Speaker 3: a train wreck. So they took it back off.

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Speaker 2: And it's hard, like Austin said, because the year they

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Speaker 2: did it, it just became an absolute mess and the

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Speaker 2: flow of the game was was taken out. But you

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Speaker 2: see the other side of it, when you start talking

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Speaker 2: about well playoff seating and affecting a chance to get

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Speaker 2: to a Super Bowl, that's a major miscall for sure.

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Speaker 3: I think coaches should be able to challenge it. And

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Speaker 3: my big thing with pass interference is I don't feel

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Speaker 3: like the officials ever accurately enforced the rule, especially when

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Speaker 3: you consider balls that are uncatchable. There are a lot

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Speaker 3: of pass interference calls made on balls that are nowhere

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Speaker 3: near being able to be caught, or they're out of bounds,

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Speaker 3: or it's stuff that it really doesn't affect the play.

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Speaker 3: So I think that should be enforced better. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think coaches should be able to challenge it, and if

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Speaker 3: that's the case, then within two minutes they should be

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Speaker 3: able to look at it as well.

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Speaker 2: From the booth, yep, I got it.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more. And boy was that a hell

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Speaker 4: of a catch by Puka oh Man.

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Speaker 2: I thought he brought it in completely. It would have

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Speaker 2: been one of the greatest catches I've ever seen.

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Speaker 4: Oh but you know what the Rams today, it's on them, man, Yep,

681
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 4: they blew it. They took that. Evidently they took the

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Speaker 4: team too lightly. I know they had two starting offensive

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Speaker 4: linemen out to two or three defensive starters and then Russell.

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Speaker 4: But still they just acted in the first half like

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Speaker 4: they weren't interested. Yeah. So anyway, guys, that's all I

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Speaker 4: gott and I hope the Bear Test can win that game.

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Speaker 2: You and me both, Mike, you and me both. I

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Speaker 2: know what, Austin, thanks. I don't think. I don't think

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Speaker 2: this guy. I think it's gonna be wild before they

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Speaker 2: win another game.

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Speaker 4: Yep, let me ask you this, Austin. Who's gonna win

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Speaker 4: more games than their conference?

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Speaker 2: Xavier or you see ooh Xavier. But it won't be

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Speaker 2: by much. At the bottom. I think the bottom of

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Speaker 2: the Big East is much weaker than the bottom.

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Speaker 3: Of the bag. The Nku is already up by like

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Speaker 3: four games, and both of them so the Norse.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Norse whip the crap out of either one.

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Speaker 2: Mike, thank you, thank you, Mike, thanks Mike.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was, you know, convenient Norse not

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Speaker 3: on the schedule for the Bearcats this year.

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Speaker 2: You know what we didn't talk about from last night.

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Speaker 2: One final thing in Monday Night Football. The Stafford missed

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Speaker 2: to Xavier Smith on that the last player or last

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Speaker 2: drive of the game, and people blame Stafford. By Stafford's reaction,

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Speaker 2: I think he was expecting Smith to cut that more

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Speaker 2: towards the sideline.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I heard Dan Orlofsky kind of put

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Speaker 3: it on Stafford because of the position of the defender

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Speaker 3: and that the receiver he thought did the right thing.

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of different ways to look at it.

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Speaker 3: That's why it's a really big miss, man. That's why

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Speaker 3: I appreciated that that broadcast, because Luke Keikley, on one hand,

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Speaker 3: is saying exactly what you're saying, and on the other hand,

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Speaker 3: Orlovski saying, well, here's probably what you know Stafford was thinking.

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Speaker 2: I think they found It's hard to change how broadcast review,

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Speaker 2: but I think they found something with that. I really do.

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Speaker 2: We'll take a break. We'll finish up our number one

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Speaker 2: with some Cincinnati Bengal conversation. It's not the last Bengal conversation.

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Speaker 2: We'll have some in the third hour as well, and

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Speaker 2: obviously with Joe Danaman. To kick off our number two

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Speaker 2: at Sincy three to sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Here's an alley you don't can buy blue stop a job.

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Speaker 4: The past from Kirk Grees good look coming off the

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Speaker 4: scream I can recently throwing it up to Big.

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Speaker 2: Mellons free State buckets for Mustafa job. He's up to

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Speaker 2: Mustafa Chom on the lau from Kerkkrisa last night, part

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Speaker 2: of Mustapha Chom's eighteen point output. Kirk Crisa also made

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Speaker 2: five threes in the game to go along with u

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Speaker 2: Or to add to his fifteen points. We'll talk more

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Speaker 2: about the Bearcats as we get into the third hour

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Speaker 2: of today's show, But that call thanks to Dan Hord

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Speaker 2: back to back days, by the way, for Dan Hord

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Speaker 2: on the Mustapha cham aliyup, that's our Win Schulers call

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Speaker 2: at Win Schulers. Just a couple of minutes here before

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Speaker 2: we get to Joe Daneman. Austin, I want to spend

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Speaker 2: some time later on the show about the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: three draft class for the Cincinnati Bengals. But we learned

746
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: yesterday that Joe Burrow and Zach Taylor's adamant and sane.

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00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow gives us the best chance to win. He's

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Speaker 2: going to start in this game on Sunday, and I

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Speaker 2: disagree with it. And Austin, you've been one that has

750
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Speaker 2: wanted Joe Burrow to play down the stretch, but you

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Speaker 2: also agreed that you'd be good with Joe Burrow and

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Speaker 2: his season coming to an end before Sunday's game against

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Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns. Why is that.

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Speaker 3: We've seen all we needed to see. He got back

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Speaker 3: out there, he played well. We know what the offense

756
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 3: can look like. They're not chasing wins, they're not chasing statistics,

757
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 3: they're not chasing incentives or stats. Maybe there's a couple

758
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 3: guys that might be doing that, But he came back

759
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 3: from the injury, he played well, he can still do it.

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt about his ability. There's no need this.

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Speaker 3: The game doesn't matter. It matters to Miles Garrett, which

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Speaker 3: we're raise me and that's part of it as well.

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Speaker 3: And they're gonna be doing everything in their power to

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Speaker 3: get Miles that sack, which means they're gonna bring some

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Speaker 3: exotic pressures, they're gonna move them around, they're gonna do

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Speaker 3: some stuff that maybe, Yeah, I just don't want to miscommunication. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I don't know that. I don't see Miles as

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Speaker 3: the type of guy who's gonna try to go kill

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow. No, I think there is a mutual respect there.

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Speaker 3: But still you don't want him being exposed to any

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Speaker 3: sort of hit like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if if you're going to play him, and they

773
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Speaker 2: are obviously you talk about guys still going for some

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Speaker 2: I think Chase Brown needs fifty three rushing yards for

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Speaker 2: a thousand. That's something you want to highlight. He's thirty

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Speaker 2: four or forty four yards away from fifteen hundred total.

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Speaker 2: There are things that can still be accomplished. But as

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Speaker 2: you said, you know what this offense can be. We've

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Speaker 2: seen that on full display. I do think it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: You know, we saw a couple sets with extra linemen

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Speaker 2: in the game against Arizona. Do you if you're going

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Speaker 2: to play him, do you go out there and say

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Speaker 2: we're going to play our normal stuff or do you

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Speaker 2: play him with the understanding of maybe some more max

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Speaker 2: protect maybe maybe take care of him a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: I think it would be on Zach Taylor to formulate

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Speaker 3: a game plan that is very similar to what you

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Speaker 3: would see in a preseason game. Agreed, or you're going

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Speaker 3: to get the ball out quick. You might move the pocket.

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Speaker 3: You're not going to force him to make a ton

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Speaker 3: of different reads and stretch and push the ball down

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Speaker 3: the field. Now Cleveland historically has taken that away from

793
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Speaker 3: you anyways, But I think it's a lot of RPOs,

794
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Speaker 3: quick slants, dumping it off screen, game all that sort

795
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Speaker 3: of stuff to kick the ball out of Burrow's hands quick,

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Speaker 3: not only because you don't want to give up that

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Speaker 3: zack to Miles Garrett number one and number two. You

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Speaker 3: just don't want him to get hit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we will break for the final time an hour

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Speaker 2: number one. When we come back, Joe Danaman, a Fox

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