Speaker 1: I don't have to tell you how dang cold was outside.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be dang cold for another couple of weeks
Speaker 1: at this point. And everything's well and good until you
Speaker 1: get that Duke energy built. We saw duke hike rates
Speaker 1: over the summer, and after the last cold samp we had,
Speaker 1: it was brutal for a lot of people. And we're
Speaker 1: talking a substantial increase in our energy costs. Wait till
Speaker 1: we get hit that this two week stretch. It's gonna
Speaker 1: make it even worse. Crying uncle, how do you make
Speaker 1: it better? How do you balance out the need to
Speaker 1: stay alive inside your home and also keep those energy
Speaker 1: costs down? And furthermore, what is the optimal setting for
Speaker 1: your thermostat? What's the right temperature on That is David Waski.
Speaker 1: He's the home editor for CNET and joining the show
Speaker 1: this morning. How are you welcome.
Speaker 2: I'm well, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So lots of unpack here. Energy costs are going up.
Speaker 1: I think nationally is something like four percent. We got
Speaker 1: hit over the summer here in the Tri State and
Speaker 1: as well as Kentucky and Indiana.
Speaker 3: So what is that magic number?
Speaker 1: By the way, is that I've always heard sixty eight
Speaker 1: is that still the swee spot?
Speaker 2: Sixty eight is still the sweet spot? Can you know,
Speaker 2: manage that temperature and not go too much higher? You're
Speaker 2: liable to shave some money off your monthly energy bill.
Speaker 2: One of the keys that is really keeping it consistent,
Speaker 2: especially when you're home and up. Dropping that temperature a
Speaker 2: few degrees when you go to bed or leave the
Speaker 2: house is okay. But if you go much lower then
Speaker 2: let's say six to seven degrees, you're going to spend
Speaker 2: a lot more energy getting back up to that comfort
Speaker 2: zone and it won't be worth it.
Speaker 1: Is that based on actual energy efficiy science and comfort
Speaker 1: studies are just like an arbitrary number.
Speaker 2: No, it's based on studies gunned. You know a lot
Speaker 2: of people will say that they, you know, prefer to
Speaker 2: keep the house higher in the seventies, but you know,
Speaker 2: the research has shown that that sixty eight degrees is
Speaker 2: very adjustable. People can adjust to it pretty easy, and
Speaker 2: you know there's a lot of positive feedback for that
Speaker 2: particular number.
Speaker 1: Yeah, about older people like Brian Culembs for example, tends
Speaker 1: to be cold when it's like seventy seventy two degrees,
Speaker 1: So what about that. I mean, that's the reality, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, it's not a one size fits
Speaker 2: all solution for everybody. There are people that are just
Speaker 2: going to need to keep the house a little bit warmer.
Speaker 2: But you will be surprised if can, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: little by little crank that number down a few degrees,
Speaker 2: you might be surprised at how quickly you adjust to
Speaker 2: a bit of a lower number.
Speaker 3: Gotcha.
Speaker 1: Now we live in the day where everyone has a
Speaker 1: well most everyone has a programmable thermostat, and that actually
Speaker 1: pays yourself, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: It does.
Speaker 2: So the thermostats not only give you, you know, really
Speaker 2: useful real time feedback that they can you know, alert
Speaker 2: you to any sort of fluctuations which might signal that
Speaker 2: your thermostat is in the wrong place. Another really useful
Speaker 2: feature of the smart thermostat you can adjust it, you know, remotely.
Speaker 2: So let's see you left for a long weekend and
Speaker 2: you forgot to turn the thermost down, thermostat down, you know,
Speaker 2: to the to the optimal I'm not home temperature. You
Speaker 2: can do it remotely. You can also get it cranked
Speaker 2: out before you get home, so you're not wasting as
Speaker 2: much energy trying to get the thermostat.
Speaker 3: So high so quickly.
Speaker 2: So you know, incremental increases and decreases in the thermostat
Speaker 2: are much better for energy efficiency than let's say, going
Speaker 2: from fifty to sixty eight in one hour.
Speaker 3: And now wonderful too.
Speaker 1: Like NaSTA, I just got an Echo B for our
Speaker 1: house we moved into because I wanted that control and
Speaker 1: that comfort. But these are the self learning ones too
Speaker 1: as well. And that thing was I pretty close to
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars, very very expensive. How long before something
Speaker 1: I have to pay for itself?
Speaker 2: You know, it kind of depends on your climate and how.
Speaker 3: Much energy you're using.
Speaker 2: But our smart thermostot expert Tyler Lacomac, you get crunched
Speaker 2: some numbers, and you know, for some people, let's say
Speaker 2: you have for so oil and colder climate, I mean
Speaker 2: you could make that money back up in half a year,
Speaker 2: if not long.
Speaker 3: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: And the reason I went with the Echo by David
Speaker 1: Watsk is because you guys had seen it, said that's
Speaker 1: your highest rated smart thurstad, So I listened to you guys.
Speaker 3: Had seen it.
Speaker 2: Oh, we appreciate that a lot of work went into
Speaker 2: making those picks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all of the geeky sciences of it too. But
Speaker 1: you guys are on top of stuff, all right, and
Speaker 1: that's a smart but but you know how many people
Speaker 1: have a smart thermostat that they're like, I don't know
Speaker 1: how this thing works the settings. Eventually, especially with the
Speaker 1: NaSTA or the Equoby, it kind of learns and it's
Speaker 1: a mystery to me as how that happens. How do
Speaker 1: they learn where you are and what your patterns are.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have a.
Speaker 2: Camera on it, no, it has catched to your your phone,
Speaker 2: so it uses a lot of that geo location technology
Speaker 2: to keep cabs on where you are and what's going on.
Speaker 2: But even more so, it learns your routines. So it
Speaker 2: learns when you're changing the thermostat and you know how
Speaker 2: that's how that sort of squares against what the the
Speaker 2: tempera joined the house was and learn those patterns so
Speaker 2: it can make suggestions to keep things running a bit
Speaker 2: more efficiently and keep you in the comfort zone consistently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool because the one I had is a
Speaker 1: couple sensors. You put like one sensor go in the
Speaker 1: bedroom and we have an upstairs downstairs, so in the
Speaker 1: lower level we put one down there, and that is
Speaker 1: when it senses when you're down there, it'll change the
Speaker 1: the heating or cooling patterns based on where you are
Speaker 1: in the house at the time, and that allegedly saves
Speaker 1: you money.
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 1: And I know part of this thing too is a
Speaker 1: lot of the smart thermostats or they recommend and you
Speaker 1: guys have seen I recommend you want to turn to
Speaker 1: your thermostat during the day back like seven to ten
Speaker 1: degrees when you're not home and for the time you're gone,
Speaker 1: if it's eight ten hours a day, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: you can save some money. And and that's is that
Speaker 1: significant chunk of change, by the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, again it's all be you know, kind of dependent
Speaker 2: on your fuel, energy source and and your climate. And yeah, significant,
Speaker 2: About ten percent is the kind of rough number if
Speaker 2: you are consistent about turning that down when you're gone
Speaker 2: for more than five six hours. Not every everybody remembers
Speaker 2: to do it, but a smart service that can certainly
Speaker 2: help you can get that set on a schedule and
Speaker 2: start taking money on energy.
Speaker 1: And placement is another issue too. Typically, you know, buy house,
Speaker 1: they place it on a wall somewhere, but sometimes I've
Speaker 1: talked to HVAC contractors David Watski that said, yeah, you
Speaker 1: need to relocate this thermo set.
Speaker 3: It's in the wrong place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean the main the big thing is
Speaker 2: anywhere with you know, temperature fluctuations, major temperature fluctuations is
Speaker 2: going to throw things off pretty wildly. Any any drafted yours.
Speaker 2: Windows that are consistently open for any reason, kitchens are
Speaker 2: are a no go. Bathrooms or a no go. You
Speaker 2: really want an interior wall somewhere that people are Often
Speaker 2: a room that you know is is uh is used often.
Speaker 2: A living room is great, certain hallways, but yeah, first
Speaker 2: floor uh, no temperature fluctuations and an interior wall is key.
Speaker 1: Yeah, keep it away from doors and obviously in windows.
Speaker 1: All we talked about that. Where are you on space heaters?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 2: I think space heaters are great. They're really good for
Speaker 2: their shoulder season. So let's say you have a large house,
Speaker 2: you only use part of it instead of firing up
Speaker 2: that whole house heat. I mean a lot of people
Speaker 2: have zone heating, some people don't. A space heater can
Speaker 2: be a great foil for those early and late season
Speaker 2: you know, bloated energy bills. They're not a They're not
Speaker 2: a replacement for whole house eater in the middle of winter,
Speaker 2: but they really can keep you from having to turn
Speaker 2: on the heat during those shoulder seasons. We found that
Speaker 2: the average space heater costs about twenty cents to run
Speaker 2: per hour. You compare that with the average size home,
Speaker 2: and you know, for oil and forest air heat, that's
Speaker 2: about triple the cost of running a space heater. So
Speaker 2: if you can, if you can use it as a
Speaker 2: kind of you know, of a foil against that those
Speaker 2: early cold spells or chili spells, it's it's going to
Speaker 2: be a big money saver for.
Speaker 1: Someone's listenings going, well, why don't I just turn my
Speaker 1: furnace off and get like twenty space heaters?
Speaker 2: Well, twenty space heaters. You can do the math twenty
Speaker 2: per hour to run each one. The numbers unfortunately don't work.
Speaker 1: Gotcha whole house but an area you're in a lot.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, exactly, that's right. And for folks who do
Speaker 2: like it warm, as you mentioned, you know, sixty hs
Speaker 2: feels a little too chili, you know, adding a space
Speaker 2: heater especially affortable and that you can maybe bring bring
Speaker 2: around the house with you to different rooms. You plan
Speaker 2: on spending time in is a much better option than
Speaker 2: you know, cranking that heat up to eighty that's just
Speaker 2: going to kill you again. Again, it depends on your
Speaker 2: your your fuel site, but in general that that's going
Speaker 2: to be a safe right.
Speaker 1: Is it a false economy though, if it's a fire hazard,
Speaker 1: because you know, having some knowledge of this stuff, I
Speaker 1: know that space heaters are a big cause of uh,
Speaker 1: you know, home fires and the like, or apartment fires
Speaker 1: because you know, somebody may say it too close to
Speaker 1: drape or something like that, and the tipover thing can
Speaker 1: be a concern. But today they all have a sensor
Speaker 1: and it doesn't allow you to tip it over. It
Speaker 1: cuts the power off. But the firefighters will tell you
Speaker 1: that that is a concern. And you get space heaters
Speaker 1: out there, kerosene heaters and the like, there's a danger
Speaker 1: to it. And you get lulled on a sense of
Speaker 1: complacency because it has a tipover function, but you gotta
Speaker 1: be careful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't recommend any of the kerosene models. I
Speaker 2: think they're honestly even hard to find these days. They've
Speaker 2: gotten a lot safer. As you said, the sensor or
Speaker 2: our sensors are are really helpful tip over and turn off.
Speaker 2: They'll often turn off if they're if they're on for
Speaker 2: more than a few hours, just in case, you know,
Speaker 2: you forget to have it on. But that that being said,
Speaker 2: space here safety is really important. We have a bunch
Speaker 2: of of articles we published on space heater safety. You
Speaker 2: don't want to plug them into UH extension cords ever,
Speaker 2: you want to give them their own outlet. You want
Speaker 2: to make sure they're, as you said, in a space
Speaker 2: where they're not near any flammable drapes or or or
Speaker 2: other materials, and keep an eye on them. Again, they're
Speaker 2: not a full winter solution. You don't want to have
Speaker 2: them running overnight while you're sleeping, so they should be
Speaker 2: used sparingly. But the good news is that they're not expensive.
Speaker 2: So you know to test one out and see if
Speaker 2: it does work to help trim your energy bills. Do
Speaker 2: it cautiously. We found that it can be helpful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the is there a typical I mean, because it's
Speaker 1: a different time, right, there's a ceramic ones, there's the
Speaker 1: one with the infrared. Is there one that's more preferable
Speaker 1: from you guys, I've seen it.
Speaker 2: Infrared is probably the safest. I like the coils. I
Speaker 2: find that they generate heat a bit better than the infrared.
Speaker 2: There's a particular model right now, and I'm blinking on
Speaker 2: the name. Sorry, it's Dreo. Just came out with a
Speaker 2: really great coil infrared heater and it has an oscillating
Speaker 2: feature like a fan, so it blows, it blows the
Speaker 2: hot air all over the room. I was actually just
Speaker 2: testing it over the weekend. I had some family in town.
Speaker 2: I had this not heated finished space above the garage,
Speaker 2: and it warmed up that probably six hundred square foot
Speaker 2: space in thirty minutes or less, and we were all
Speaker 2: toasty warm. So they have gotten a lot more efficient,
Speaker 2: a lot more powerful, and a lot more safe.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: David Watski was seen at He's a Home in Kitchen
Speaker 1: managing editor or talking about saving money this season. As
Speaker 1: you know that Duke Energy hiked their rates pretty high
Speaker 1: this summer and we're going to start feeling it here
Speaker 1: with the colder months here and uh uh, and setting
Speaker 1: that the thermostats sixty seems to be the magic temperature,
Speaker 1: and you can get some space heaters and make sure
Speaker 1: the thermostats are as smart smart thermostats work really well
Speaker 1: as too. But of course, the core of this thing
Speaker 1: is the h V A C C system. And at
Speaker 1: what point should you be thinking about replacing that? What's
Speaker 1: typically the service life or something like that.
Speaker 2: We depends on the system that you have. What what
Speaker 2: what key year or a year is to make sure
Speaker 2: that it is runing as efficiently as possible, and that
Speaker 2: means getting you know, professionals coming to inspect it, replacing
Speaker 2: filters once a year, having your ducks cleaned is important,
Speaker 2: something a lot of people don't think about, but those
Speaker 2: those really can block things up and cause major spikes
Speaker 2: in your in your monthly totals. So be sure to
Speaker 2: take advantage of any you know, service contracts that you
Speaker 2: have with your energy supplier and and see what can
Speaker 2: be done by you yourself to make sure things are
Speaker 2: running as smoothly as possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and today there's furnaces now that I think that
Speaker 1: the best one is as like ninety nine percent efficiency.
Speaker 1: You're seeing, you know, ninety seven percent ninety eight, ninety
Speaker 1: nine percent, which is incredible compared to where things were
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen years ago. So that maybe and it's it's
Speaker 1: certainly a huge cost right now, They like with anything.
Speaker 1: Over the summer with tariffs, we saw the replacement costs
Speaker 1: now just spike going way way up. So but again
Speaker 1: you're throwing moneyway and heating bills could go towards a
Speaker 1: new high efficiency system. I mean some people will bite
Speaker 1: the bullet and do that. But yeah, you know, make
Speaker 1: sure that the filter is a big one too, just
Speaker 1: making sure it's clean. You know, I don't even to
Speaker 1: get a year out of a filter, maybe if had
Speaker 1: electrostatic one or something like that, but you want to
Speaker 1: be looking at it once a month just to make sure.
Speaker 1: And doing the biannual service plan has been great. I
Speaker 1: highly recommend that seeing you know, things break down the
Speaker 1: way they do. They come in the fall, they come
Speaker 1: in the spring and clean it out and then if
Speaker 1: something goes south, you're in, you know, one of the
Speaker 1: first people online for service. So getting that service contract
Speaker 1: is affordable that it's a good way to keep your
Speaker 1: system running and saving you money, because if you don't,
Speaker 1: you're just throwing money literally out the.
Speaker 4: Flu Absolutely right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, David Watski's seen at home and kitchen managing get her.
Speaker 1: Thanks again for the time, really important stuff. Maybe you
Speaker 1: save a few bucks by hearing this today, David, thanks again.
Speaker 1: All right, thank Scot be well my friend.
Speaker 3: Good to have you back. Good to have you back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're thinking about the energy bill that's going to
Speaker 1: come this next couple of weeks. You better gird your
Speaker 1: loins for that. When that, I mean, honestly, as expensive
Speaker 1: as the last cold snap we had was. I wonder
Speaker 1: people's like two weeks of this is going to be.
Speaker 1: Like I wonder if I you know that vacation I
Speaker 1: was planning, I know that long weekend I was having.
Speaker 1: I got to pay my duke bill. It's gotten that
Speaker 1: expensive and this cold snap definitely failed. So do everything
Speaker 1: you possibly can to keep all that money in your pocket.
Speaker 1: And I would say I highly suggest if you're going
Speaker 1: to bite the bullet outside of a furnace, which is
Speaker 1: extremely expensive. The programmable thermostats and some of the early
Speaker 1: ones that worked, okay, like the need it learns where
Speaker 1: you are on nest thermoistats. Well, I got the echo
Speaker 1: Bee model that I have now with the two sensors.
Speaker 1: Pretty expensive. But still, you know, I've been looking at
Speaker 1: how much money I've spent, and god, I kind of
Speaker 1: noticed even in the.
Speaker 3: New house a little bit of a difference.
Speaker 1: So over time, I think I have no problem investing
Speaker 1: and someone's going to pay me back, and I think
Speaker 1: that's going to pay dividends for sure. Although it does
Speaker 1: tell you, like remember in Duke, I don't think i'd
Speaker 1: do it anymore. Duke would send you every month that
Speaker 1: bill that would say, well, this is where your energy
Speaker 1: is compared to other houses in your neighborhood. Not about you,
Speaker 1: but mine looked like I was leaving all the doors
Speaker 1: and windows open, like going crazy, and that was driving
Speaker 1: me nustrual. I don't do that anymore, I thin, because
Speaker 1: I've tossed so many people off and the same is
Speaker 1: true with this. It gives you a month by month breakdown, says, okay,
Speaker 1: here's how much energy you spend versus other houses, not
Speaker 1: in your neighborhood but around the country. Or they sell
Speaker 1: these thermostats, and you know, I'm like in the bottom
Speaker 1: fifty percent list, I'm not in the bottom twenty five,
Speaker 1: you know below. And it got me through school, so
Speaker 1: I was just, you know, just a below average student.
Speaker 1: So I guess I should be fine with it. Either
Speaker 1: academics are eating and cooling. I'm about the same. I'd
Speaker 1: like to be in that top you know ninety percent
Speaker 1: That means I have to spray foam the entire I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to live inside a tent, inside a tent
Speaker 1: basically for that to happen. Put a dome over my house.
Speaker 1: The only woman knew that top ninety percent and name
Speaker 1: no one saving money these days, ask for sure with
Speaker 1: this cold snap. Got to get to a news update
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Speaker 1: Today is an historic day because this landmark moment, this
Speaker 1: tragedy occurred forty years ago today.
Speaker 5: It happened just over one minute inch of flight.
Speaker 1: One minute fifteen seconds flantidi twenty nine hundred pet per second,
Speaker 1: altitude nine aautical mouth down Ray's distant seven nautical.
Speaker 3: Miles from mission control. Silence. Then the Bland chilling report.
Speaker 6: We have a report from the flight dynamics officer that
Speaker 6: the vehicle has exploded.
Speaker 1: Flight director confirms that we're looking at checking with the
Speaker 1: recovery forces to see what can be done.
Speaker 5: At this point, a search effort couldn't begin for some
Speaker 5: fifteen minutes after this debris.
Speaker 3: They said, just kept raining from the sky.
Speaker 5: The head of the Space Shuttle program had no explanations,
Speaker 5: just sorrow at the tragedy.
Speaker 3: I vividly remember when that happened.
Speaker 1: For a lot of folks, it might have been school kids,
Speaker 1: and still even more folks don't remember it because they
Speaker 1: happened outside their lifespan. But I'll remember that like I
Speaker 1: remember nine to eleven. And how do we get to
Speaker 1: this point? We've got this great space race going out
Speaker 1: right now, of course privately speaking, but everything we know
Speaker 1: about space and how to get to outer space and
Speaker 1: travel is written in blood, writing about it in the
Speaker 1: Burning Lewis Kevin Cook, Kevin, welcome to the show.
Speaker 6: Hi, Scot, how are you.
Speaker 3: I'm doing fine?
Speaker 1: Hopefully I set that up well enough for you to
Speaker 1: tying those things together. But I think there's something to
Speaker 1: be said about that, right, is that we're in the
Speaker 1: new space race, but it's private space race between ultra
Speaker 1: the ultra rich doesn't mean they're going to cut corners,
Speaker 1: but man, you know, when you're competitive like this, these
Speaker 1: are the things that happen.
Speaker 6: Right. I think you set it up just right, and
Speaker 6: it's an exciting time in space exploration. I think these
Speaker 6: are eventually going to be public private partnerships. I think
Speaker 6: we'll see SpaceX and NASA working together, Blue Origin, Virgin
Speaker 6: Galactic and NASA working together. We're gonna have Moon missions again,
Speaker 6: and in before too many decades past a Mars mission
Speaker 6: with human crew on it. And there is going to
Speaker 6: be schedule pressure again. There are going to be engineer's warning, well,
Speaker 6: I have concerns about this or that aspect of the machinery,
Speaker 6: and again, these things are going to crop up. There
Speaker 6: is a program at NASA now called the Lessons Learned
Speaker 6: program that encourages listeners to remember things like disasters like
Speaker 6: the Challenger accident, so that we don't have such a
Speaker 6: thing happen again.
Speaker 1: Well, and the lesson here coming out of the Burning
Speaker 1: Blue and the Challenger disaster, is that why CHRISTA. Mcculloff
Speaker 1: was on that flight to begin with.
Speaker 6: That's true, it was it had aspects of a publicity
Speaker 6: effort on NASA's part after Sally r made worldwide news
Speaker 6: in nineteen eighty three, is the first American woman in space.
Speaker 6: Shuttle flights came to seem routine, and NASA was eager
Speaker 6: to have the teacher in space, the first civilian to
Speaker 6: fly on a Shuttle mission, and Christa mcculliff, to her
Speaker 6: great credit, I think understood that she was wonderful on television.
Speaker 6: She was since here. She was herself, but she had
Speaker 6: a purpose to a cause. She didn't want to get famous.
Speaker 6: She wanted to promote the cause of school teachers. She
Speaker 6: was an active school teacher, a great one. She felt
Speaker 6: that teachers were overworked and underpaid. I think that's true
Speaker 6: even more so today. So she inspired an awful lot
Speaker 6: of people to become teachers. I think that's one of
Speaker 6: the things that we can take from a story like
Speaker 6: the Challenger disaster in nineteen eighty six. There are a
Speaker 6: lot of teachers, dedicated teachers who followed her example who
Speaker 6: are still teaching today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that moment. I think we all did it.
Speaker 1: If you're old enough too, or if you just go back.
Speaker 1: It was an excellent documentary on this. I think it
Speaker 1: was on Netflix or maybe HBO, but yeah, Netflix, it
Speaker 1: was great about that whole story too, because, man, you
Speaker 1: remember what it was like being a little kid, and
Speaker 1: you know everyone was following, here's a teacher.
Speaker 3: I've got a teacher. It's like my teacher.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: You could identify as a kid with Christa mccauliffe and
Speaker 1: every kid in America at that moment that morning, that
Speaker 1: cold morning sat there and watched it on TV when
Speaker 1: they rolled a big old CRT two TV in the
Speaker 1: classroom and everyone's watching the Challenger and or everyone clapped
Speaker 1: them so excited, and then there was a catastrophe. And
Speaker 1: you want to talk about traumatic moment in your childhood,
Speaker 1: that's it right there.
Speaker 6: That's true. I've encountered so many people who remember exactly
Speaker 6: where they were as I do when we started to
Speaker 6: see what had happened. The one thing that the television
Speaker 6: documentary did not address was the fact that when that
Speaker 6: awful explosion happened and the pitchfork in the sky that
Speaker 6: we all saw on television, that was not the end
Speaker 6: of the astronauts. They survived that moment that was the
Speaker 6: explosion of the fuel tank. They survived for another probably
Speaker 6: two full minutes and forty five seconds trying to regain
Speaker 6: control of the craft, which was impossible as it turned out.
Speaker 6: I think they were heroic in any case, and trying
Speaker 6: to reconstruct what happened after the exposion, between that and
Speaker 6: the moment that actually killed the Challenger astronauts, which was
Speaker 6: when the falling of Shuttle struck the Atlantic at two
Speaker 6: hundred and seven miles per hour. Reconstructing those moments was
Speaker 6: one of the more grueling and also fascinating aspects of
Speaker 6: working on the Burning Blue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and on that day in January nineteen eighty six
Speaker 1: and watching that so they were alive, didn't die instantly.
Speaker 1: Were they aware that they were about to crash into
Speaker 1: the ocean at over two hundred miles an hour, which
Speaker 1: is fatal.
Speaker 6: It's likely that they were. That there was no escape,
Speaker 6: That there were ejector seats in the very first Shuttle
Speaker 6: missions that became impractical later, that you can't have seven
Speaker 6: people ejecting, There was no escape, there were no parachutes.
Speaker 6: Those escape methods were built in after the Challenger disaster,
Speaker 6: and they're going to need to be part of these
Speaker 6: new efforts that we make, I think to the near
Speaker 6: future missions to the Moon and Mars to learn the
Speaker 6: lesson of the Challenger disaster and not repeat it.
Speaker 1: What's scary is listening to that audio, the cockpit voice recorder,
Speaker 1: and I think it was Michael Smith that that saw
Speaker 1: that basically saw the catastrophic moment happen. And I think
Speaker 1: the last words on that recording were something like oh no,
Speaker 1: or it.
Speaker 6: Was oh he said. And then for weeks after the accident,
Speaker 6: it was believed that the last words from the Challenger
Speaker 6: flight deck were Roger go and throttle up. It was
Speaker 6: only later that it was understood it was assembled the
Speaker 6: audio from the flight deck that Michael Smith must have
Speaker 6: seen something just in the instance before all of the
Speaker 6: electricity and the communications went out. Uh, and his last
Speaker 6: words were, oh, that is the last thing that that
Speaker 6: was ever heard from the ass Challenger astronauts.
Speaker 1: Kevin Cook, the Burning Blue, the un storied, untold Sir
Speaker 1: of Chrystal mcauliffin, the NASA Challenger disaster.
Speaker 3: But there's a lesson, just a history.
Speaker 1: It's also private based travel now with the Bezos and
Speaker 1: the Branson's and the Musks of the world, and you
Speaker 1: know that there's tremendous, tremendous pressure to perform here too.
Speaker 1: That was the lesson from the NASA Challenger disaster is
Speaker 1: there are a lot of warning signs ahead of this.
Speaker 1: One of those is the fact that, as I recall
Speaker 1: that the launch itself was delayed many times because of
Speaker 1: weather or other issues.
Speaker 6: Correct, that's just right. And there was the debacle the
Speaker 6: day before in which the launch was scrubbed because a
Speaker 6: bolt malfunctioned in the hatch store, a bolt that you
Speaker 6: could have replaced that you'd gone to the local hardware store.
Speaker 6: Nobody could get to the local hardware store from the
Speaker 6: launch pad that day. They had to wait until the
Speaker 6: next day. The next day was far colder, dangerously cold.
Speaker 6: And yet the decision is made to launch anyway because
Speaker 6: of terrible schedule pressure, partly because of embarrassment to the agency,
Speaker 6: because of what had happened in the scrubs that came
Speaker 6: before this. These are all things that are going to
Speaker 6: have to be born in mind by people who are
Speaker 6: making launch decisions in our near future.
Speaker 1: If the weather were warmer that day in January. Now,
Speaker 1: to keep in mind, what January twenty eighth, nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 1: You're in Florida, but extremely cold by Florida standards. If
Speaker 1: it would have been a few degrees warmer, would we
Speaker 1: have not had this disaster.
Speaker 6: I think it's likely, and there's certainly a great chance
Speaker 6: that had it been normal weather for Florida that January.
Speaker 6: There had been other missions that something similar happened with
Speaker 6: the old rings. There was what was called blow by,
Speaker 6: and certainly it might have happened had it been colder
Speaker 6: in previous missions. I think it's one of the unknowables,
Speaker 6: but there is a very good chance that they would
Speaker 6: have been lucky again, as as more than two dozen
Speaker 6: previous Shuttle missions. Uh, two dozen previous missions had had
Speaker 6: had some trouble, many of them, but they made it back.
Speaker 6: That's why the Nobel Prize winning physicist Richard Fineman said
Speaker 6: that previous missions had essentially been playing Russian roulette with
Speaker 6: the astronauts.
Speaker 1: Well, the issue then came down they had a president
Speaker 1: a presidential commission. I believe on the on the O ring, right,
Speaker 1: and so the O ring you have the solid rocket
Speaker 1: boosters and that is the that's what's powering you into
Speaker 1: space at several hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: If you have a leak in one of these rubber
Speaker 1: O rings, you got problems. And uh, they uncovered a
Speaker 1: momo from Morton Thaia call the the engineers, the project
Speaker 1: engineers on this thing. And if you saw the documentary
Speaker 1: in the book, you detail this about engineers screaming for
Speaker 1: help for please, like we're going to have a catastrophic failure.
Speaker 3: People are going to die. Uh in that teme to fruition.
Speaker 3: Take me through that part of it.
Speaker 6: Well, there was a teleconference the night before in which
Speaker 6: the engineers said, uh that they had they had great
Speaker 6: worries and they would not sign on to to a launch.
Speaker 6: The next morning, their managers pressured them to uh to
Speaker 6: change their minds, and eventually they did. It's one of
Speaker 6: those things that one has to if you put yourself
Speaker 6: in their shoes, if you could say I've got great
Speaker 6: concerns about this, then then the managers may say, well,
Speaker 6: what about the last dozen missions that went off without
Speaker 6: a hitch. You were in a terrible position if if
Speaker 6: you if you uh say I'm against this, and then
Speaker 6: they launched anyway and nothing bad happens. They were certainly
Speaker 6: vindicated by circumstance. And that's why there's a program called
Speaker 6: the Lessons Learned program in NASA now saying we've got
Speaker 6: to support engineers, support people who are willing to say
Speaker 6: this is too dangerous, let's fix the problem before we launched.
Speaker 1: Well, there were signs with other missions, right and tests
Speaker 1: that that indicated the lowering was failing.
Speaker 6: Correct, that that's right, and the the idea that that
Speaker 6: one says. Well. Uh, they they looked like they were failing,
Speaker 6: but nobody got killed in the previous visions. That's the
Speaker 6: Russian roulette aspect of the they came back. There was
Speaker 6: a task force studying the old ring problem at more
Speaker 6: than diacol, studying and studying, but uh, it wasn't seen
Speaker 6: as important enough to delay, and he launches while the
Speaker 6: studying was done.
Speaker 1: Explain explain how the rubber o ring and the cold
Speaker 1: weather go to go.
Speaker 3: What caused the explosion?
Speaker 6: It's stiffened as Uh. Richard Feinman demonstrated so beautifully on
Speaker 6: television during the Presidential Commission. Uh. He had a glass
Speaker 6: of ice water. He got a piece of rubber from
Speaker 6: the old ring difted in there. Showed how it's not
Speaker 6: as elastic when it's cold, like like a lot of
Speaker 6: other things. Uh, it gets denser, Uh and not flexible.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: So it was in the cold, it was unable to
Speaker 6: to uh to prevent the leak. The leak leads to
Speaker 6: a plume of flame that then burns right through that
Speaker 6: didn't hide and outer covering of the external tank, and
Speaker 6: that causes the giant explosion we saw on TV.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we finally have some closure in that too.
Speaker 1: But I think the interesting part about it is really
Speaker 1: how little the families were awarded.
Speaker 6: Yes, and I mean I think it's hard to sue
Speaker 6: the government, and several of the crew members were members
Speaker 6: of the armed forces. That plays into it as well.
Speaker 6: There were settlements. They didn't make news because there really
Speaker 6: wasn't much space program news in the two and a
Speaker 6: half years after the Challenger disaster. That's when things were
Speaker 6: being put back together in a safer way. Of course,
Speaker 6: before long, shuttle flights will seem routine again, pressure will
Speaker 6: increase to launch and that leads to similar problems and
Speaker 6: the Columbia disaster.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The relationship there between the Columbia disaster and this is what.
Speaker 6: Well, it's the fact that lessons learns need to be observed.
Speaker 6: As Mike Tinelli and that's a wonderful person who runs
Speaker 6: the Lessons Learned program down at Kennedy Space Center talks
Speaker 6: about it's similar we have a presidential commission. It's a
Speaker 6: little bit like driving a past the wreck on the highway.
Speaker 6: You see the smoke, you see the ambulances, and then
Speaker 6: you're driving with your hands at ten or two for
Speaker 6: a little while. But before long, as he says, they're
Speaker 6: back to having your foot on the wheel and the
Speaker 6: other foot out of the window. If you forget the
Speaker 6: crucial importance of safety in the preparation for a launch.
Speaker 6: That's what happened with Columbia after Challenger, and that's what
Speaker 6: future planners are going to have to bear in mind
Speaker 6: as we get to remarkably exciting and complicated missions to
Speaker 6: the Moon.
Speaker 3: And tomorrow, somebody's going to die in the future.
Speaker 1: It's found to happen again, because yeah, we may learn
Speaker 1: the lessons from history, but there's tremendous pressure. And look
Speaker 1: what led to the death of the Challenger crew, right
Speaker 1: had we got to put chrystalcoll on their teacher because
Speaker 1: you know what, now all of a sudden, school kids
Speaker 1: are getting interested, we get them hooked, their parents will
Speaker 1: be interested. Hey great, we're putting someone on there for
Speaker 1: the only reasons. It's a pr move. I don't know
Speaker 1: what research a teacher can do in space, but nonetheless
Speaker 1: there's an every man component to that.
Speaker 3: It's marketing, is what this is.
Speaker 1: And then the pressure to launch, to launch, to launch,
Speaker 1: because we want to see chrystalmacall off in space ended
Speaker 1: in tragically in her death.
Speaker 3: We did the same thing with Challenger to some degree.
Speaker 1: As well, with private space missions happening in the near future,
Speaker 1: at some point people are going to die again, aren't they.
Speaker 6: Well, Elon Munk seems to think so. It is a
Speaker 6: risky operation. It's a risky thing to do with space exploration.
Speaker 6: I think the job of NASA, the agency, as well
Speaker 6: as it's private partners. I think these will be public
Speaker 6: private partnerships the missions, especially when we're talking about Mars.
Speaker 6: I think one recognizes the risk and the likelihood that
Speaker 6: people may die. But for those preparing for missions like that,
Speaker 6: your job is to do all you possibly can to
Speaker 6: prevent that, to make them as safe as possible. That
Speaker 6: lesson was forgotten before Challenger, and even.
Speaker 1: With the technology of the way it is because Eli
Speaker 1: I must have said, well, we can't have a it's
Speaker 1: not like you have an airline pilot fly fifty sixty missions.
Speaker 1: The human body can't withstand that. So solving that is
Speaker 1: through autonomous meaning self driving aircraft, self driving spacecraft. All right,
Speaker 1: that's all well and good, and we have more technology
Speaker 1: and monitors and the things we did, but you still
Speaker 1: can't get past the fact that that's an incredibly traumatic
Speaker 1: procedure for any airframe to go through, and that is launching,
Speaker 1: relaunching and making something a regularly scheduled flight. Ultimately, that's
Speaker 1: what they want to do here physically. Is that possible
Speaker 1: for any aircraft?
Speaker 6: H It's sure difficult. And again, the spacecraft has so
Speaker 6: many parts. The space level was the most complicated machine
Speaker 6: ever built. Well, when you have a lot of parts,
Speaker 6: Murphy's Law stares you in the face every day with
Speaker 6: every decision. That's what that's what the Elon musk, that's
Speaker 6: what visos, that's what Richard Branson, that's what face looking forward.
Speaker 6: And the lesson is it's difficult, it's complicated, it's dangerous,
Speaker 6: it's potentially lethal. These are things that need to be
Speaker 6: borne in mind. Just before the word go it is
Speaker 6: given to to send somebody into space.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's gonna be interesting too. At
Speaker 1: some point there's going to be a failure once again.
Speaker 1: I don't think that means we stop trying. It means
Speaker 1: you learn from those lessons. But if the lessons keep
Speaker 1: getting repeated, as it started with the Challenger, then I
Speaker 1: guess that that's also human nature too. We have to
Speaker 1: accept a certain amount of casualties if this is the price,
Speaker 1: if this is the goal. Kevin Cook, The Burning Blue,
Speaker 1: The Untold Stir of Crystal Calf and NASA Challenger Disaster.
Speaker 3: Thanks again for the time, good luck with the book.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Scott.
Speaker 6: I appreciate it, and it's good to be on WLW.
Speaker 6: I grew up listening to to Al Michaels and then
Speaker 6: Marty Brenneman and Joe Dunsallomons Big Red Machine.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: How about that? So you're India. We're in Indiana.
Speaker 6: Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: Oh, Indianapolis. Okay, very good. Yeah, So all the best
Speaker 1: to you and thanks again.
Speaker 3: For coming on, Kevin.
Speaker 6: Thanks Gott.
Speaker 1: Kevin Cook back on the show. It's the fortieth anniversary
Speaker 1: of that challenge, which I have forty year Where were
Speaker 1: you forty years ago?
Speaker 3: Today?
Speaker 1: Most people said, well, I wasn't born yet. Smart da touche.
Speaker 1: Scott Sloan Show home of the Red seven hundred w Weldon.
Speaker 7: Today today are making the rounds.
Speaker 1: They are here is almost here actually third and fifth
Speaker 1: annual Marty Graf for Homeless Children. I've been doing this
Speaker 1: for feels like maybe about ten years, maybe at like
Speaker 1: half of that, I think. Anyway, is it more than that?
Speaker 1: Come up on Fat Tuesday, February seventeen this year in
Speaker 1: Northern Kentucky Convention Center. What happens is this, You go,
Speaker 1: you have a good time, you all you can drink,
Speaker 1: all you can eat, and then what happens is all
Speaker 1: that money that's raised goes to provide more than one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand meals for kids here in the
Speaker 1: Tri state area. And that includes reach outreach for places
Speaker 1: like Brighton Center's homewer Bound Welcome House in Covington and
Speaker 1: Bethany House in Cincinnati. And it is that time of
Speaker 1: year to sell some tickets here for such a good cost.
Speaker 1: No better Valentine's Day President than this, because it's all
Speaker 1: in and especially get a hotel across the street. Scottenly
Speaker 1: knows what's going to happen institute of this morning, of course,
Speaker 1: Gordy Snyder, the living legend himself the guy was here
Speaker 1: for all of the Marty Grass past president and future.
Speaker 1: He's a chairman. We've got Amy Floyd in the execut director,
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, my good friend Don Peperella for Mercedes Benz
Speaker 1: of Fort Mitchell, all in studio this morning here on
Speaker 1: seven hundred W Dow.
Speaker 3: How are we, folks? We got were warm or absolutely,
Speaker 3: we're here. We're ready to go. You're ready to rock
Speaker 3: and roll.
Speaker 1: This is, by the way, I'll point out, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is your first year Joe Burrow Foundation as a
Speaker 1: title sponsor. Why do you guys decide a partner with
Speaker 1: us this year?
Speaker 8: Marty gra Yeah, the mission of the Joe Burrow Foundation
Speaker 8: is to provide resources and opportunities to the underprivileged and underserved.
Speaker 8: And so we heard about this event. I went to
Speaker 8: it a couple of years ago, and it just felt
Speaker 8: like a natural fit for us to be a part
Speaker 8: of a Marty Girl event benefiting Greater Cincinnati kids feeding
Speaker 8: hungry people really is the is the end goal and
Speaker 8: eliminating the need for.
Speaker 1: This really well, I know Joe, you know on Athens
Speaker 1: where he's from, to be in a rural area till
Speaker 1: you see a lot of this as well, so being
Speaker 1: able to do it here in Cincinnati speaks fomes.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 8: His Heisman speech really shed light on the issues of
Speaker 8: food insecurity and kids not having consistent access to healthy food,
Speaker 8: and that was really the promise of us starting the foundation.
Speaker 8: And there's unfortunately hunger kids everywhere.
Speaker 1: So Cincinnati is not I think rural too, especially hit
Speaker 1: Stephen Marcus.
Speaker 3: We think about that.
Speaker 1: You know, all the all the resources seemed to go
Speaker 1: to urban areas and here, you know, Cincinnati, Okay, it's
Speaker 1: growing well and good, but in roural areas and more difficult.
Speaker 1: So I could see them totally leaning into that. So
Speaker 1: it's good to have you guys this year. So this
Speaker 1: just sounds like it was a slam dunk based on
Speaker 1: his Heisman speech. Yes, involved here, absolutely, We're excitingly gosh,
Speaker 1: and of course Don Paparella from Mercedes Benz in Fort
Speaker 1: Mech can't miss it if you're head down the highways
Speaker 1: right there. We try to be everywhere if we can't,
Speaker 1: and all time back for the umpteenth here appreciate your supporters.
Speaker 3: I think it's thirteen or so. Oh wow.
Speaker 7: We're certainly excited. This is this is our our this
Speaker 7: is my favorite event. You know, we love giving back
Speaker 7: the community. We love you know, helping out you know,
Speaker 7: this charity with the three cherries that they serve, this
Speaker 7: event is by far and away the best one and
Speaker 7: it's kind of been our cornerstone of all of our
Speaker 7: giving and you know that we do that and again
Speaker 7: we try to you know, we want to make the
Speaker 7: community better than when we got here. And I think
Speaker 7: we've done a good job of that. That's kind of
Speaker 7: been our our mantra at the dealership ever since we've
Speaker 7: we opened up. We're like, how do we make the
Speaker 7: area better? And this is this is a great fit
Speaker 7: for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it was important to having local business
Speaker 1: lean into this as well too. And it's your favorite
Speaker 1: event a year because it's such a great charity. You
Speaker 1: see the immediate impact media impact. But I know you
Speaker 1: like to come and eat and drink.
Speaker 3: I mean I do come hungry. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: I do come hungry.
Speaker 7: And it's so I'm like, nope, no food today and
Speaker 7: there and yes we have all. The food is unbelievable,
Speaker 7: The drinks are great, the music's great. You know, it's
Speaker 7: the walking around and seeing everybody seeing old friends, and
Speaker 7: it's just absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 1: Knowing you're helping folks too. And the best part is
Speaker 1: it's it's a fairly early night. I mean, you can
Speaker 1: start at five point thirty and it's over a ten,
Speaker 1: but you can get you can do some damage there in.
Speaker 3: A few short hours. You're there full by seven. Let's
Speaker 3: just put it that way, right. You can't eat everything
Speaker 3: that's in there.
Speaker 7: We make it around halfway and I'm like, that's about
Speaker 7: all we're gonna be able to eat.
Speaker 3: It's wonderful. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: Chef Jim Jimmy curveall over at the Governor's House in
Speaker 1: Covington did a food drop today. He's got the short rib,
Speaker 1: which is amazing. He's got an incredible mushroom risota. Mushroom
Speaker 1: a risotta is really really hard to get to go.
Speaker 1: He did, he killed it, smashed potatoes. He's got the
Speaker 1: basil butter. It's it's all working this morning, and our
Speaker 1: staff is fat and happy on this cold, cold morning
Speaker 1: to enjoy in some of this stuff. To keep your
Speaker 1: staff on point. Yeah, I circle that. So I got
Speaker 1: to go to Governor's house next time. Down to this
Speaker 1: The food is the last couple of years have been
Speaker 1: absolutely amazing. Let me bring in a Gordy Snyder, who's
Speaker 1: the founding chairman of Marty Garras Benefiting Homeless Children thirty
Speaker 1: five years a god.
Speaker 10: Well Scott, First of all, thank you for being our
Speaker 10: king once again this year. We appreciate you, know, everything
Speaker 10: that you've done for the King. It's got to be
Speaker 10: like what I say, Queen, I say.
Speaker 3: King, King, King.
Speaker 1: I think I could be queen too, I don't. Yeah, well, no,
Speaker 1: she was your queen. Oh yeah, that's right, Chilla. She'lla
Speaker 1: helped me on the last name.
Speaker 3: Gray.
Speaker 1: Oh Gray, that's right. Yeah, just say red or blue,
Speaker 1: but gray, that's right. Yeah, local twice I saw she
Speaker 1: she the other day. She's doing well. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: you guys are okay too much. She has a problem.
Speaker 1: She Let me tell you something about Hill. I've don
Speaker 1: Hill a long time. Way too much energy, I said,
Speaker 1: God only gives you so much energy. You're gonna How
Speaker 1: is it possible at your she's what forty? How is
Speaker 1: it possible you have still have that much energy at
Speaker 1: age forty? It's unbelievable. I thought she was twenty nine.
Speaker 1: I was realist.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about well the history of event.
Speaker 1: People go, okay, well, it's kind of where why why
Speaker 1: Marty Grout, why homeless, skilled, holl those things?
Speaker 3: How does that work? How does that go together?
Speaker 10: Well, thirty six years ago, Scott there were four homeless
Speaker 10: children in an abandoned garage and the father locked them
Speaker 10: in the garage. They were all the whole family was homeless.
Speaker 10: They started playing with matches. Unfortunately, the garage caught on fire,
Speaker 10: burned down, and all four children perished. Cincinnati Public School
Speaker 10: System came out with a study. They said at any
Speaker 10: time during the course of a year, over the course
Speaker 10: of a year, there could be as many as twelve
Speaker 10: or fifteen thousand children in Greater Cincinnati, northern Kentucky hill gravel.
Speaker 10: And everybody was like, wait a minute, this can't be
Speaker 10: happening in Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: There's no way.
Speaker 10: And unfortunately, what people don't realize is homeless children are
Speaker 10: the invisible. Children are invisible homeless. You don't you don't
Speaker 10: see them out on the street corner with a sign.
Speaker 10: They're honeing, they're hiding, they're running, they're runaways, They're hiding
Speaker 10: in abandoned buildings, abandoned garage, garage, cars, whatever they can
Speaker 10: get into. And then a lot of times it's discovered
Speaker 10: through the school system when they show up and they
Speaker 10: don't have proper clothing, they haven't been.
Speaker 3: Fed, and they have moved. They So.
Speaker 10: We decided at the Northern Kentucky Restaurant Association to start
Speaker 10: this event to help help with homeless children. And as
Speaker 10: you mentioned, it goes to three great powerhouse agencies here
Speaker 10: in Greater Cincinnati Northern Kentucky. We have beth Any House
Speaker 10: over in Cincinnati, Brighton Center there in Newport, and and
Speaker 10: also Welcome House in Covington. And so far we've raised
Speaker 10: two point nine three million dollars over the history of
Speaker 10: the event.
Speaker 3: Two point almost three million.
Speaker 10: It will be three We're going to go over three
Speaker 10: million this year, Scott, with everybody's help. Yeah, yeah, that's incredible.
Speaker 1: And all those it goes to one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand meals, which is an incredible amount, right of pretty
Speaker 1: much launch everyday for every kid that needs.
Speaker 10: It, three meals a day. And then one of the
Speaker 10: agency said, you also have to have snacks.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, exact play Amy Floyd, your favorite snack,
Speaker 1: go Dorita's Cool Ranch or standard.
Speaker 8: Good question I'd say cool ranch, really cool. Yeah, same.
Speaker 10: Cape cod potato chips, gotcha, gotta be reese cups, Reese's
Speaker 10: cups really oh yeah, snack, oh yeah, everything.
Speaker 1: I guess it's a snack. I always think savory. If
Speaker 1: I'm doing it, I'm not on the board. I'd go
Speaker 1: Doritos maybe.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I'd probably throw some Cheetos in there, maybe cheat. I'm
Speaker 1: a cheese guy, like the cheese, A savory kind of
Speaker 1: guy as well. All right, all right, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Jen Madley says there her favorite snack kl chips. She's
Speaker 1: a heathen. I don't know what the hell's going on,
Speaker 1: but I don't even know that's insane.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I don't think there'll be any kale on the menu
Speaker 1: anywhere the five thousand restaurants we have on Mardi Gras.
Speaker 3: There'll be no kale at all in there. It's but
Speaker 3: but you're gonna have a good time.
Speaker 1: So thirty fifth of Marty gra benefit homeless kids, and
Speaker 1: it's happening fat Tuesday, February seventeenth hours.
Speaker 3: It's five thirty right for the VIP.
Speaker 10: Five thirty you get the big piece of chicken.
Speaker 1: The big that's right, you get there. It's five thirties
Speaker 1: a VIP that entitles you to the big piece of chicken. Right, okay,
Speaker 1: so you get the big bed. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: the other sized chickens afterwards aren't sizable sized chickens, but
Speaker 1: it's you get the pick of the litter.
Speaker 3: Let's put it that way. To five three, the extra hours.
Speaker 1: To it's important eat and probably also pregame a little
Speaker 1: bit for the rest of the festivities. There's also Gordy.
Speaker 1: No shortage of alcoholic beverages there either. No, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of alcohol. There are a lot of livations we have,
Speaker 1: you know, beer, craft beers, wine ever, you know, livations, bourbon,
Speaker 1: you name it, you name it. There's more cocktails in
Speaker 1: more you have a good time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know they give you the smaller obviously because you're
Speaker 1: pasting yourself too. But all of a sudden you're like,
Speaker 1: how many have I had? Everyone does that and goes, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll be damned, it's only a Tuesday night. On top
Speaker 1: of that as well, yeah, you should really think about it.
Speaker 1: If you do this right, you're taking Wednesday off, correct,
Speaker 1: that's our recommendation. If you're doing this right, you're taking
Speaker 1: Wednesday about right.
Speaker 3: And now of that.
Speaker 10: Also across the street you get a hotel too, you could stay.
Speaker 10: We've got a hotel. We also have free parking that
Speaker 10: night thanks to Mercedes Benz a fort.
Speaker 1: Minute, very nice, thank you, don Don Send his team
Speaker 1: will park your car personally.
Speaker 3: Can I get a detailed how that rules? Right into
Speaker 3: a new car.
Speaker 1: So next year we're moving the conventions under two Mercedes Benz.
Speaker 3: And Fort Mitchell right right there, right good.
Speaker 1: We got somebody doing titles and everything right the play
Speaker 1: go swe We got you in and out.
Speaker 3: Not a big deal, which is good, you know, a
Speaker 3: good credit, not a big deal.
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, Mercedes, what what what's the new line
Speaker 1: this year?
Speaker 3: What are you guys doing? Last year we talked a
Speaker 3: lot about evs.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so EV's have sort of run their course. They're wonderful.
Speaker 7: They're just slowed down a little bit. But now we're
Speaker 7: we're all about SUVs. So the Mercedes SUVs are the
Speaker 7: top of the They are unbelievable. It starts with the
Speaker 7: g Wagon, then goes to the my Box and the
Speaker 7: g ls's and the Glees. So this year we're planning
Speaker 7: about seventy percent of our sales will be the unbelievable
Speaker 7: sport utility vehicles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all all will drive.
Speaker 7: They're roomy, they're fast, they look great, safety security, they're wonderful.
Speaker 3: Do you think it's amazing me.
Speaker 1: It's like we you know, trucks and SUVs are it's
Speaker 1: a huge sector, right is it? Because the roads are
Speaker 1: so damn bad. I mean, look at the ice and
Speaker 1: snow and the potholes we're gonna have in the spring.
Speaker 1: And it's it's because people are like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I smack as fun, but I gotta be up the road.
Speaker 3: Stink.
Speaker 7: It doesn't hurt you. The roads are they're definitely challenging.
Speaker 3: Let's lot at that way and then the.
Speaker 1: Weather the way it is, you know you're not gonna
Speaker 1: get around. Let's face it, the two wheel you know,
Speaker 1: m we the SUVs. What we see is people they
Speaker 1: need some space. You know, we're Americans. We need space.
Speaker 1: We need to carry stuff.
Speaker 7: We have children in the back friends, So you know,
Speaker 7: we're not like other countries where transportations just to get
Speaker 7: around with us, it's a it's a lifestyle.
Speaker 3: It's enjoyable.
Speaker 7: So we sell large SUVs actually small, medium and large
Speaker 7: SUV's and again with the roads being as challenging as.
Speaker 3: They are, you want to be up a little higher.
Speaker 3: You got bigger tires.
Speaker 7: You can handle the potholes and handle the one.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what is Amy, would it take to get
Speaker 1: you in a G class? By the way, would you
Speaker 1: were you an equal an E C or G.
Speaker 9: Well, I'm in the nonprofit space, so I might have
Speaker 9: to take.
Speaker 1: It to you also have a good supply of after weeks,
Speaker 1: have some gently used cars, and we've got all the
Speaker 1: We got all the normal stuff too.
Speaker 7: But you know my model is treat yourself. I mean
Speaker 7: that's exactly we always say, treat yourself.
Speaker 3: Amy. Could you give me your Social Security so you're
Speaker 3: going to run a credit check? Can we do? Can
Speaker 3: we run that right now? Yeah? See what's going on?
Speaker 3: That was good?
Speaker 1: Uh institute this morning on seven hundred w W to
Speaker 1: Don PEPPERRELLI sell them cars from Mercedes spends a fort Mitchell.
Speaker 1: He has teamed up yet again for thirty Fifthaniel Marti Gras.
Speaker 1: We've got Amy floyd In, the executive director of the
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow Foundation, and a guy named Gordy Snyder who
Speaker 1: just shows up when the food's and drink and all this.
Speaker 1: By the way, tickets available at Martigra twenty twenty six
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Speaker 1: where Brighton Center or Welcome House or Bethany Houses in
Speaker 1: Cincinnati stop by that selling their tickets as well too.
Speaker 3: How are we doing on ticket sales?
Speaker 10: We're doing good, but we still got a few left, okay,
Speaker 10: And we also got some corporate sponsorships left. I'll have
Speaker 10: to see some companies you know in our area step
Speaker 10: up and do a sponsorship, just like you know Mercedes
Speaker 10: Benz a Fort mitchell As.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Joe Burrow phund There's different levels of
Speaker 1: doing this too. And here here's the imperative, right is
Speaker 1: if you have these kids, they're hungry. The economy could
Speaker 1: be better, right, People, especially working folks, are feeling the
Speaker 1: pinch of this too. So we're getting more families in
Speaker 1: the system than ever before. And all you're doing is
Speaker 1: buying a ticket to go and have a good time,
Speaker 1: eat and drink and maybe make some new friends, bring
Speaker 1: some old friends. Great Valentine's Day gift, by the way,
Speaker 1: if you're looking for something instead of the tired old
Speaker 1: flowers and tired box of chocolates or whatever that might be.
Speaker 3: You know, do this instead. It's you know, the tickets
Speaker 3: go what how much?
Speaker 10: Well, they start at one hundred dollars for a regular emission.
Speaker 10: That would get you in at six thirty. But if
Speaker 10: you want to get in at five thirty, the VIP
Speaker 10: emission is one hundred and twenty five. Yeah, and then
Speaker 10: we have sponsorships for tables all the way from fifteen
Speaker 10: hundred up to ten thousand.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if you have a small business or something
Speaker 1: you want to like, hey, this seems like a good thing,
Speaker 1: and you know you're doing some charitable work, please consider
Speaker 1: this in getting a table on a sponsorship because everything
Speaker 1: diamond and I mean all the money the restaurants donate,
Speaker 1: all this stuff, the the alcohol, beverages, and all the
Speaker 1: everything there is all donated, and all of that money
Speaker 1: then from ticket sales goes one hundred percent of these charities.
Speaker 1: And you know you're you're helping feed kids. I mean,
Speaker 1: is there a more noble thing? I mean, think about it.
Speaker 1: We just got off the holidays where most of us
Speaker 1: are going, okay, let's go time to get in THEI
Speaker 1: kido and then we throw that out of the that
Speaker 1: goes out the window on the seventeenth. But in between
Speaker 1: there and thinking, wow, we've got the surplus of food
Speaker 1: for most people, and yet there's people right here in
Speaker 1: our community, special little kids that that don't have that
Speaker 1: food security that we do and in these families, and
Speaker 1: it's getting worse because the gap between those that have
Speaker 1: and have it is getting bigger. And that's just an
Speaker 1: irrefutable truth. So I think it's it's incumbent on a
Speaker 1: lot of us and most of us anyway, to say, hey,
Speaker 1: this is this is something we can all get behind.
Speaker 1: So hopefully if the very lead, just get a ticket,
Speaker 1: you know, tell your friends, maybe get a hotel room cross,
Speaker 1: you know, making a midweek little vacre. God knows you
Speaker 1: need to break. God knows you need to break. Yeah weather, yeah, right, for.
Speaker 3: The for the kids.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: You feel good about yourself. You're doing something nice.
Speaker 1: And I do always feel guilty because I'm getting pelted
Speaker 1: with bread in the like up there, and when I'm
Speaker 1: on the float, is king, Oh God, here we.
Speaker 3: Go, Wow, and we use fresh I know, closs them.
Speaker 3: Twenty four seven.
Speaker 1: You bring these roles that have been laying out in
Speaker 1: the apparently they're frozenre they on your dash for every
Speaker 1: year they get either I'm getting older or these these
Speaker 1: roles get harder every year. So the tradition started years
Speaker 1: ago with Mike McConnell who sat in this chair, and
Speaker 1: for some reason he bought his degenerate friends and you
Speaker 1: get up on this big float. So I'm up there,
Speaker 1: Sheila Gray's up there, and we have the parade with
Speaker 1: the marching band right from Edgewood and they do a
Speaker 1: great job.
Speaker 3: Beachwood. I'm saying, are we going through?
Speaker 1: And for some reason when we get into the Clossman
Speaker 1: bread station, we get pelted with so his boys started
Speaker 1: throwing rolls at I mean, this tradition is continued for
Speaker 1: probably twenty years.
Speaker 10: Mike will probably be there again this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so when I when I die, and they're like,
Speaker 1: what causes death? I'm sort of yeast infection, probably from
Speaker 1: the rolls. I don't know what's going on here again.
Speaker 1: So Marty Grot twenty twenty six dot org is where
Speaker 1: you can get the tickets. Please consider it if you're
Speaker 1: thinking about a Valentine's say gift, there's there's none better
Speaker 1: because it's an experience, right, Since it's buying flowers are
Speaker 1: going to die in twenty four hours. It's going to
Speaker 1: be party with a purpose. So Don and Amy and Don,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming in this morning. I appreciate it. It's
Speaker 1: great to see you. Thank you, guys.
Speaker 3: We'll see on the seventeenth. Seventeenth.
Speaker 1: Y all right, wait, Don's got a car sale with
Speaker 1: Amy here, so I'll let them go and handle that up.
Speaker 3: It's time for you also, Let's time to time. We'll
Speaker 3: get this. We'll get this done. That's what we need
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Speaker 3: Helping you put the big P in profession. Here's our career, Sir,
Speaker 3: Julie bout. We also put the big P in peanut butter.
Speaker 1: That's not what Julie BALKI thought I was going to say, Uh, Julie, welcome,
Speaker 1: how are you well?
Speaker 11: I didn't think you were going to say anything else.
Speaker 11: I know you want to keep your job? So do I.
Speaker 3: Do I really want to keep do I? Anyway?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, you know no, of course I do. So the
Speaker 1: topic is a peanut butter raise. I've never heard that
Speaker 1: term before. Is a new Where's it come from? What
Speaker 1: the hell does that mean? What's a peanut butter raise?
Speaker 11: I know it's just another example of why we have
Speaker 11: to make up new things for for clicks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, peanut butter because it sticks to the roof
Speaker 1: of your unemployment.
Speaker 3: I don't know what what does it mean?
Speaker 11: It means everybody in the same organization gets the same increase.
Speaker 11: So an organization, uh organization might come out and say,
Speaker 11: you know, in light of everyone is going to get
Speaker 11: an across the board, So think about peanut butter spreading
Speaker 11: on bread. It's about an across the board raised. So
Speaker 11: everybody gets.
Speaker 1: Our definition in here at iHeart is it means you
Speaker 1: to be fired in a jiff. If you don't knock
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 11: Skippy, you can probably do well. Ski skip.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're going to skip your next paychecks, all right,
Speaker 1: So peanut peanut butter race, Yeah, we take it down
Speaker 1: the skips. Peanut butter rays is okay. It's spread across
Speaker 1: the boards from from coast to courst from from cross
Speaker 1: to cross.
Speaker 11: Okay to the organization So here's the here's the thing
Speaker 11: that is I think just really really short sighted, is
Speaker 11: you are not rewarding your higher performers, and you are
Speaker 11: telling the organization that it doesn't matter how hard you
Speaker 11: try or what you accomplish, you will be getting the
Speaker 11: same amount. You doing three people's jobs, two of which
Speaker 11: were laid off last year, will get the same amount.
Speaker 11: I'm ann increase. It's not a merit increase. It's just
Speaker 11: an increase as the person down the hall who everybody
Speaker 11: knows is the owner's nephew and sits in plays on
Speaker 11: the phone all day or so. That's that's where there's
Speaker 11: like an across the board raised. And then there's things
Speaker 11: like merit increases, performance increases, performance bonuses. So some of
Speaker 11: these organizations might be saying, Okay, we're going to reward
Speaker 11: our higher performers in other ways, but for sure there
Speaker 11: are some out there going we don't want to mess
Speaker 11: with it. We're just going to give everybody two to
Speaker 11: three percent across the board and go on our merry
Speaker 11: way and boil boy. That is that is a motivation killer.
Speaker 11: Even if you're not somebody who's wildly motivated by money,
Speaker 11: it still sends the signal that we don't know. Just
Speaker 11: just do the do the just show up, and everybody's
Speaker 11: going to get the same amount across the board, which
Speaker 11: I think is dangerous, especially when the pendulum swings back
Speaker 11: the other way. Gotcha two more of to a place
Speaker 11: where your best people can leave and they will remember this.
Speaker 11: You got to be really, really careful when you do
Speaker 11: across the board things.
Speaker 1: All right, there's always people that are like, well, you
Speaker 1: know you're complaining about You're complaining about this not eating
Speaker 1: and even though you've got a half a loaf of
Speaker 1: bread out of your arm, I don't have a low
Speaker 1: foot all What about people who are getting any raise
Speaker 1: whatsoever and now but for the foreseeable future, there there's
Speaker 1: people like that.
Speaker 3: What about them?
Speaker 11: And what about the people who are unemployed and have
Speaker 11: no salary to get a raise on top of? So yeah,
Speaker 11: I mean there's always a situation. I think it's it's
Speaker 11: like the analogy that I feel sorry for myself, and
Speaker 11: I believe this is analogy I just made up. I
Speaker 11: feel sorry for myself because I lost my arm. Well,
Speaker 11: you're not allowed to feel sorry for yourself because you
Speaker 11: have another arm. Think about the people with no arms.
Speaker 11: Oh okay, what about the people with no legs? What
Speaker 11: about you? Know, so I think it's unfair to say
Speaker 11: just be happy. It's really let the meat take, you know,
Speaker 11: just be happy because what you have, because of course
Speaker 11: you appreciate the two or three percent. Of course, I mean,
Speaker 11: nobody's going to say take it back, but if you
Speaker 11: have to. We are humans, not not machines. And so
Speaker 11: you have to look at if I've been busting my
Speaker 11: butt for the past year because I'm a good performer,
Speaker 11: and your strong performers always get piled on. It's just
Speaker 11: a fact of life because the organization knows they'll get
Speaker 11: it done. And so if you've been taken one or
Speaker 11: two or three for the team this whole time, and
Speaker 11: you and now all of a sudden, it's like, you know,
Speaker 11: thank you start, Can I have another? You're not getting
Speaker 11: any sort of an increase for that at all. I think,
Speaker 11: then you've got and then you've got a real problem.
Speaker 11: You've got a real moral and engagement problem. And those
Speaker 11: people who are working hard, Mike might say, you know,
Speaker 11: why exactly am I doing this? I'm going to spend
Speaker 11: maybe some of this time I've been spending on doing
Speaker 11: the person doing the job of Fred who just got
Speaker 11: laid off. I'm going to take that that time, and
Speaker 11: I'm going to spend it trying to start a side
Speaker 11: hustle or you know, pick not a hobby or and
Speaker 11: you know what I mean, just can't really blame them.
Speaker 11: So I think you've gotta be really, really careful. And
Speaker 11: I get that it's tricky times. I get it.
Speaker 1: Well, minimum wage mindmum effort, now, I get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because people are like, well, man, at least you're getting
Speaker 1: two percent. I don't get I got one. I got
Speaker 1: nothing last year or the year before. And okay, well,
Speaker 1: and I get it because you know, it's relative to
Speaker 1: your income and your situation and if if your in
Speaker 1: had not to be your uncle, I get it. I
Speaker 1: get Julie boucare career ship. What do you say Julie's
Speaker 1: boucare careership on the Scotsland Show on seven hundred W welw.
Speaker 1: So the pant butter raises across the board. Prairiise isn't
Speaker 1: a like but that's the way. I mean.
Speaker 3: It's been that way a lot of companies for a
Speaker 3: long time. Is it ever going to change?
Speaker 11: It has? And you know what, what a companion A
Speaker 11: piece of information that is that over the last I
Speaker 11: mean years, thirty maybe thirty fifty years. It's in a while,
Speaker 11: CEO compensation has shot up one thousand percent while worker
Speaker 11: pay has gone up twenty six percent. So the rate
Speaker 11: the gaps between the CEO and the lowest worker because
Speaker 11: of what a lot of times what a company is
Speaker 11: the here everybody, here's your two and a half percent.
Speaker 11: Is the CEO getting a huge performance bonus? Maybe it's
Speaker 11: in stock opjects, maybe it's cash, maybe it's a huge raise,
Speaker 11: And it's really really hard to take that seriously and
Speaker 11: believe the organization and trust the organizations. This is the
Speaker 11: best we can do this year given the market, customers
Speaker 11: blah blah blah. When you've got your CEO, who's they're
Speaker 11: talking as.
Speaker 4: You look it up?
Speaker 11: Because public companies are information is online. He or she
Speaker 11: got a massive salary increase or performance bonus even in
Speaker 11: years when even in years when business wasn't good because
Speaker 11: a lot of these bonuses are written into their contracts,
Speaker 11: and you know, so there's a lot of a lot
Speaker 11: of you can't blame them forgetting what they can get,
Speaker 11: but you've got to understand how it looks, what the
Speaker 11: optics are when you talk about the rest of the
Speaker 11: folks trying to have swollow the fact that you're not
Speaker 11: getting any rays this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, good for you. It's like, you know, well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a different thing. You see you and
Speaker 1: there's so few of them and it's you. You don't
Speaker 1: understand them, and a lot of it's bonus, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: all well and good. I mean, you can tell me
Speaker 1: that I don't really care about your situation. I care
Speaker 1: about mine, and if it's not improving, we got to
Speaker 1: do different things on that regard to And I think
Speaker 1: this also has to do with I mean, in the past,
Speaker 1: it's a bet about gender discrimination, racial discrimination, age discrimination. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's a factor here, Julie bias versus mediocrity. So the
Speaker 1: reason why a company would do this in across the
Speaker 1: board race for everybody is subjectivity and bias. Those are
Speaker 1: concerns because the peanut butter approach, I guess creates its
Speaker 1: own form of equity because it treats exceptional and mediocre
Speaker 1: performers the same way. It's kind of a union model,
Speaker 1: you know, not all unions, but it's always been Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, you could be the guy slacking not shown up.
Speaker 1: You get the same amount of money as somebody who
Speaker 1: really cares about making a better product or doing their job.
Speaker 1: The same thing applies here, I think too, because you
Speaker 1: could also have well handing raises out to people. Oh
Speaker 1: this person kisses my ass a lot, she hears she
Speaker 1: gets a raise. Man, Well, I don't really do anything,
Speaker 1: and the guy's working hard who's just keeps his head
Speaker 1: down and doesn't, you know, interact as much, gets nothing.
Speaker 1: So the other side of this is just as bad,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 11: But but what that what that is, what all of
Speaker 11: this is a symptom of is a poorly designed and
Speaker 11: poorly and or poorly executed compensation plan that the company
Speaker 11: really doesn't have any belief in. And so if you've
Speaker 11: got let's say you said, okay, we're going to do
Speaker 11: two percent across the board, we're going to take that
Speaker 11: one percent extra one percent, and we're going to put
Speaker 11: it in a pot, and we're going to give it
Speaker 11: out as bonuses to people who are from a performance system.
Speaker 11: Won't say it's a scale one to five or something
Speaker 11: simple like that.
Speaker 4: For fours and.
Speaker 11: Five, Okay, you still got your two percent. Everybody gets
Speaker 11: their two percent, but at least you're acknowledging that the
Speaker 11: people who are your strong performers, and you can even
Speaker 11: when you actually talk to people and say, look, you
Speaker 11: know that this is a tough year. I'm doing the
Speaker 11: best I can. I really appreciate you. You know, everybody
Speaker 11: got a two percent across the board. I'm also going
Speaker 11: to give We're also giving our top performers of what
Speaker 11: you're one, an extra five thousand dollars, two thousand dollars,
Speaker 11: five hundred dollars. It's at least an acknowledgment. And this
Speaker 11: is the thing that leaders get so wrong because they're
Speaker 11: embarrassed and they don't want to say, oh yeah, sorry,
Speaker 11: you're not getting that extra increase that I think I
Speaker 11: told you you might get. So let's not make eye
Speaker 11: contacted the whole way. You're actually treating people like adults,
Speaker 11: which is all that people really want. And will they
Speaker 11: always be happy, of course not. But it comes down
Speaker 11: to the way you're handling it and the fact you're
Speaker 11: addressing it and handling it all. That's what leadership is.
Speaker 11: Anything other than that is just being a coward.
Speaker 1: What what's the data show about the retention rates though
Speaker 1: for top performers and companies that use peanut butter raises
Speaker 1: versus merit base.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't know. I haven't seen that. I've not seen.
Speaker 3: Isn't that your job, isn't it?
Speaker 11: I don't know. As long as there's too many, there's
Speaker 11: too many.
Speaker 3: Here's somebody just begging not to get a raise.
Speaker 6: This.
Speaker 3: You're Julie Bouki. When you're heading that, you're the CEO.
Speaker 1: You get all the money, all the glory, all the
Speaker 1: stock options, and yet you don't contribute anything.
Speaker 3: Let's turn this mayor around a second.
Speaker 11: Let's talk about my raises. Now, let's talk about my
Speaker 11: pay that I never get from iHeart for all of
Speaker 11: the great value I bring to your little show.
Speaker 1: Well, well that makes two of us. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: think that's a fair question. Though in all seriousness, is it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't help retention rates. I would imagine it does.
Speaker 11: Well, So we are in and let's let's be fair here.
Speaker 11: We are in a very very very challenging time. And
Speaker 11: that's the other side of this, really, is that you
Speaker 11: are in a situation where employers are they are trying
Speaker 11: to do in a lot of cases. You know, they're
Speaker 11: they're everybody everybody. So so the person who makes the
Speaker 11: decision about you getting the two just represent raised the
Speaker 11: person who gives you that news, they're in the same
Speaker 11: boat you are because they also have on it. They
Speaker 11: also have an employee hat that they wear. And so
Speaker 11: it's tough time. Number one, number two we are This
Speaker 11: has been true and will be true forever. This is
Speaker 11: all econ one oh one, and that is when the
Speaker 11: job market is tough, and it's very tough, people will
Speaker 11: they will take what you give them. They will know
Speaker 11: they will hang on to their job because they've heard
Speaker 11: and seen the horror stories of people applying for jobs
Speaker 11: and being unemployed for long periods of time. And so
Speaker 11: when that is true of the markets, then you also
Speaker 11: have the fact that they will hang on, grit their teeth,
Speaker 11: be grateful for a job. But that is not a
Speaker 11: permanent condition because when the pendulum goes the other way,
Speaker 11: and it will because it always does, then your good
Speaker 11: people will remember this. They will remember how you treated them,
Speaker 11: and they will be the first ones out the door.
Speaker 11: Why because they can because they have options. Everybody knows
Speaker 11: it's a transparent world. Now, if you're at a competitor
Speaker 11: of yours, you probably know who the top people are.
Speaker 11: You could easily find out. So it's not like I've
Speaker 11: got to go knock on your company's door to steal
Speaker 11: your people anymore. And so it's a short term strategy.
Speaker 11: But if you don't, it's when things start turning around.
Speaker 11: You don't go back in and right your wrongs because
Speaker 11: you can, and you hope people forget what you forget
Speaker 11: all this. They're not going to They're either going to
Speaker 11: give you less on the job and the orders, they're
Speaker 11: going to cut back their work, or they're going to quit.
Speaker 11: It's just human nature. And we can argue all day
Speaker 11: whether it's there shouldn't be like that, but it just is.
Speaker 11: As long as I've been in this business, which is
Speaker 11: about one hundred decades at this point, it is always
Speaker 11: been true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a question about all I would say this.
Speaker 1: You know, for the peanut butter we're talking about what's
Speaker 1: called a peanut butter raise, and if you're not familiar
Speaker 1: with that term, it's nothing new. It's basically everyone gets
Speaker 1: two percent, three percent, whatever it is across the board,
Speaker 1: regardless of a hard how good you are, howrd you work,
Speaker 1: and if you're a top performer, not everyone gets the
Speaker 1: same raise, which of course disincentivizes the top performers.
Speaker 3: If that's the case.
Speaker 1: The other fact is if it's a three percent raise, well, okay,
Speaker 1: that just barely keeps pace with inflation. That's another factor
Speaker 1: here too. I mean, raises are just cost of living.
Speaker 1: It's not like you're good, you're getting more money, but
Speaker 1: everything costs more express so you're just basically keeping up.
Speaker 1: You're not getting more if you're a top performer. That's
Speaker 1: got to be really concerning.
Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely, and it is. It is okay to have
Speaker 11: a different pay structure, a different payout plan, a different
Speaker 11: plan for your top performers. It's also okay to set
Speaker 11: expectations with your people about what strong performance looks like
Speaker 11: very clearly, and then measure them to that, hold them
Speaker 11: to that, and bonus slash, give them a marriacrease. That
Speaker 11: is okay. I don't know why we're so afraid of
Speaker 11: having a system of creating a system that works inside
Speaker 11: of an organization so that at the end of the year,
Speaker 11: if you're getting you know, if you're if you have
Speaker 11: a really good review coming with a nice increase, you
Speaker 11: should already know that in advance. Yeah, the other way.
Speaker 3: Around, right, Well, why.
Speaker 11: Are we being so secretive? And what it looks like
Speaker 11: to succeed?
Speaker 3: What does this look like?
Speaker 1: Not for you know, baby boomers like yourself, gen xers
Speaker 1: like me, millennials like Sarah Lease, what does that look
Speaker 1: like for Gen Z workers for example too?
Speaker 3: I mean the new wave? Uh oh is that your
Speaker 3: heart monitor?
Speaker 6: What is that.
Speaker 11: About that? What's it look like for them?
Speaker 1: By the way, I love you on Q I said,
Speaker 1: like you baby boomers and your phone goes off super loud,
Speaker 1: like you're in church and it takes you ten minutes
Speaker 1: to get it.
Speaker 3: Because it's in your purse.
Speaker 11: On my phone with you. So what they So they
Speaker 11: are When you think about how people look at work
Speaker 11: and how it fits into your life, we it comes
Speaker 11: from your years of working and living. And for those
Speaker 11: of us who are Gen X and boomers, we after
Speaker 11: a while you've seen something. We have seen all these
Speaker 11: changes that about how work fits into our lives when
Speaker 11: the employer employee relationship is or not. And so our
Speaker 11: perspective is we are seeing it swing very much the
Speaker 11: other way. And so for people who are older in
Speaker 11: the workforce, this is absolutely hand ringing, pro clutching, what
Speaker 11: the heck are we doing? But when you've got the
Speaker 11: younger generations, their entire experience, they can't live through what
Speaker 11: we live through.
Speaker 4: So their entire.
Speaker 11: Experience is what the how? That what they've seen personally,
Speaker 11: and then sometimes you know how your parents what what
Speaker 11: how you've seen what you've seen in other people in
Speaker 11: terms of the employer employee relationship. So that's why I
Speaker 11: think we're seeing this. The younger generations are saying, I'm
Speaker 11: not sure this is a good deal, and so we
Speaker 11: really they just they look at corporate life and say,
Speaker 11: what exactly is a feeling about this? And they're not wrong.
Speaker 11: But the thing is, the older people we never we
Speaker 11: were kind of like about it too, but we didn't
Speaker 11: have any options and so we didn't know any better,
Speaker 11: and so we just sucked it up. But it is
Speaker 11: not uncommon for a younger person to go into a
Speaker 11: job for a couple of years and say, oh my gosh,
Speaker 11: wait a minute, is this what my next forty plus
Speaker 11: years look like? Ye, and say no thanks, and then
Speaker 11: they start to look for something else. So I think,
Speaker 11: really corporations are kind of in trouble when it comes
Speaker 11: to being able to attract and keep people from the
Speaker 11: younger generation.
Speaker 1: Julie, let me put this in the context, right, I
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong, and I think it just fits.
Speaker 1: It's everything is predictable when it comes to generations or
Speaker 1: at the generation gap. So I mentioned, you know, the
Speaker 1: generations that are just right now. I think this is
Speaker 1: what happened. So as a Gen X or as a
Speaker 1: baby boomer, you and baby your parents, maybe your grandparents
Speaker 1: worked physical hard jobs. My grandfather, Johnny Trucks, drove a
Speaker 1: truck for A and P supermarkets for thirty forty years
Speaker 1: back before they had like manual steer of power steering.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, huge forums because he's taking a
Speaker 1: big truck and driving it and there's no you know,
Speaker 1: no air conditioning, nothing like that. We had people in
Speaker 1: my family that are labors, right, They're out there, they're
Speaker 1: building stuff, they're making things. It's really really hard work.
Speaker 1: It's hard work today, but not like it was back
Speaker 1: in the day. Because you have more automation, you have robots,
Speaker 1: you have safety government mandated by the government, you have know,
Speaker 1: mandated breaks, you have all these things in there. And
Speaker 1: also you know, the mechanic mechanicals got better to the
Speaker 1: idea that somehow you're on a you don't see anybody
Speaker 1: building a skyscraper or walking up on a girder or
Speaker 1: without any safety gear on. Right, like you saw when
Speaker 1: they're building the Empire State Building. You know how many
Speaker 1: people died when they're making the subway system or building dams,
Speaker 1: Hoover Dam, things like that. You don't see that anymore
Speaker 1: because safety is paramount. But the technology is so much better.
Speaker 1: So back when we were younger, when I was younger,
Speaker 1: we saw our parents and saw their parents do that.
Speaker 3: Kind of work.
Speaker 1: Now we don't want you to. We want to go
Speaker 1: to college because that way you're not there breaking your back.
Speaker 1: You're not broken down. By the time you're fifty years old.
Speaker 1: You know, you do something with your mind and not
Speaker 1: with your hands. Work smarter, not harder. And so we
Speaker 1: have a general a couple of generations now that have
Speaker 1: done that and said, okay, and now that's kind of
Speaker 1: played out, going to wait a minute, I put all
Speaker 1: this effort, I pull this time in. I'm getting a
Speaker 1: three percent raise or no raise. It's a corporate structure.
Speaker 1: I got to be there. My boss is a jerk.
Speaker 1: I don't really produce it. I'm not sure what I do.
Speaker 1: I'm stuck inside. I don't like this at all. And
Speaker 1: now I think this generation comes along says well what
Speaker 1: about the trades? Because they didn't see what our parents saw,
Speaker 1: And so once again, in thirty years, it'll probably go
Speaker 1: the other way, going, well, we got all that my
Speaker 1: parents were, you know, my dad was working in hvac
Speaker 1: for example, or like you know, he's a plumber and
Speaker 1: his knees are all banged up. At fifty, I want
Speaker 1: to go to college. I would imagine in a couple
Speaker 1: generations it goes back the way it was in America.
Speaker 1: The pendulum always swings. That's why history repeats itself. Am
Speaker 1: I right or wrong about that?
Speaker 11: Yeah? Exactly exactly. But what's so interesting is where we
Speaker 11: are now back and it wasn't that long ago. It's
Speaker 11: probably frand from nine to eleven. I remember this very clearly.
Speaker 11: When the conversation changed. It used to be you had
Speaker 11: to pick a lane, so I am going to be
Speaker 11: corporates corporate, or I'm going to have something on my own.
Speaker 11: And it was very much because I remember the coaching
Speaker 11: back then was pretty much okay, at some point you
Speaker 11: have to pick a lane. And the beauty is. After
Speaker 11: nine eleven, the job market was a mess, and it
Speaker 11: really came back as now you don't because plenty of
Speaker 11: clients that I had them because they couldn't find a job,
Speaker 11: started something on their own for a few years and
Speaker 11: then went back to corporate. And so it was at
Speaker 11: that moment that the first vestiges of wait a minute,
Speaker 11: I can do different things at different times. I can
Speaker 11: swing back and forth and not look like I can't
Speaker 11: make up my mind. That's when we first start having
Speaker 11: those conversations. It really was the very beginning of this
Speaker 11: conversation that your career happens in chapters, just like your
Speaker 11: life does. Yeah, that makes sense, Okay, those chapters can
Speaker 11: contain different things, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Julie Balki your career, Shirpa, now you know what
Speaker 1: a peanut butter raises. She's at the Bauki Group. B
Speaker 1: a UK jumps in every Wednesday with career stuff. You
Speaker 1: have a great week. Thanks again for the inside really
Speaker 1: interesting stuff. Appreciate it. Let me get a news update
Speaker 1: in in just seconds here. Scott's Loan Show continues on
Speaker 1: seven hundred w sis BEI mari I s love me
Speaker 1: here seven hundred WLW so about a year and a
Speaker 1: half delay in this whole thing. Ohio cities have finally
Speaker 1: received their first recreational marijuana tax revenue checks, and that
Speaker 1: told us about thirty six million dollars state wide.
Speaker 3: There again, there's stories here. Well you hear some of
Speaker 3: the stories.
Speaker 1: Of incompetent and it's at the highest levels of the state.
Speaker 1: It's gonna make your eyes water. I'll cut to the
Speaker 1: chase and let you know how much Columbus gets the
Speaker 1: most in the state. About four point seven million, Cincinnati
Speaker 1: two and a half million. Columbia Township is up on
Speaker 1: the top of the list, or near the top of
Speaker 1: the list anyway, one point six million, nor would get
Speaker 1: six hundred seventy thousand dollars. Union Township in Claremont County
Speaker 1: about seven fifty three, Milford six sixty one, and Hamilon
Speaker 1: County Whitewater Township six hundred thousand. Those are the big
Speaker 1: ones in our area on this and the story behind
Speaker 1: maybe explaining why it took eighteen months to figure this
Speaker 1: out is Ohio Senator Steve Huffman from Tips City. Good morning, Senator,
Speaker 1: how are you morning?
Speaker 4: Oh you know, cold and snowy.
Speaker 3: But I got it. We live in It's what it is.
Speaker 3: It's what it is. I understand that.
Speaker 1: So the bottom line here is they get cities who
Speaker 1: are in on this get thirty six percent of the
Speaker 1: ten percent excise tax, and the remaining sixty four of
Speaker 1: that goes to the general fund to be used for
Speaker 1: well whatever it might be, including social equity and mental
Speaker 1: health and addiction services, cannibal cannabis control. Local governments have
Speaker 1: discretion to spend the money on that. I know Cleveland's
Speaker 1: going to put money into public safety and roads. It's
Speaker 1: up to those local media spells to do with what
Speaker 1: they want. Are there guidelines? Are there? Are there certain
Speaker 1: things they can they can't do with that money? Or
Speaker 1: how does that work?
Speaker 4: No, they can do whatever they want and whatever they
Speaker 4: feel that their jurisdiction needs. And you know, I've not
Speaker 4: heard anything from Cincinnati what their plan is, but they
Speaker 4: can do what they want.
Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk about how it took eighteen months.
Speaker 1: Let's start there, a year and a half of the
Speaker 1: promised tax revenue because there were quote unquote procedural issues.
Speaker 3: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Well, so the way that.
Speaker 4: The referendum was actually written. It said basically it said
Speaker 4: collect the money, but there was not an avenue that
Speaker 4: said pay the money out. And so the legal scholars
Speaker 4: looked at him, said, well, we can't do that because
Speaker 4: it doesn't tell us to spend the money. And so
Speaker 4: that's what fifty six did, was was solved that issue.
Speaker 4: And when we passed passed that, it became we're usually late,
Speaker 4: wait ninety days, but eggs have involved money are instant,
Speaker 4: and it took them a couple of weeks to get
Speaker 4: that done.
Speaker 1: Okay, got that to it, But that wasn't the only problem.
Speaker 1: I guess there were some problems with the dispersement itself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they found out about a week or so
Speaker 4: ten days afterwards that you know, there's about fifty or
Speaker 4: one hundred different jurisdictions and seventeen jurisdictions received money and
Speaker 4: they didn't have a dispensary at all.
Speaker 1: Wait, what you don't have any you're not supposed to
Speaker 1: get money, like for example, in Mason Roland Mason said
Speaker 1: we don't want it. We don't want weed anywhere near people.
Speaker 1: So you go and you get your weed and you
Speaker 1: bring it back. They get no tax revenue because they
Speaker 1: weren't open to allowing dispensaries there. So you should get that,
Speaker 1: you should get that. So why would they get money
Speaker 1: if they didn't have dispensers.
Speaker 4: It was a mistake. You know, nothing goes right in government.
Speaker 4: And what happened is is that you know, in Columbus,
Speaker 4: the city of Worthington is a suburb, and they got
Speaker 4: a check because the address to the dispensary is Worthington,
Speaker 4: and they just assume it was Worthington, but it was
Speaker 4: actually in the city of Columbus at.
Speaker 1: The Columbus And so there's wonder going, where's our money?
Speaker 1: And they're going, wait, we got to check that we
Speaker 1: didn't do anything. This is pretty good. And I'll go, well,
Speaker 1: you know, there's some things we've got to iron and
Speaker 1: work out.
Speaker 6: Word.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. You're talking about several hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars here. This isn't like, I don't know, five
Speaker 1: ten dollars class action settlement or something like that.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a couple of interesting things in here. And
Speaker 4: I can't remember. There's a small city in the Edgewood
Speaker 4: School District called seven Mile, seven hundred and twelve people
Speaker 4: in the last census. Okay, they just cashed a check
Speaker 4: for over four hundred thousand dollars for seven hundred and
Speaker 4: twelve residents.
Speaker 3: That's incredible.
Speaker 4: That that is absolutely incredible. They early on had a
Speaker 4: medical dispensary that somebody came in and said, you know,
Speaker 4: we want this, And they were always looking for the
Speaker 4: tax revenue because right away they moved in and they
Speaker 4: slapped the fifty thousand dollars tax and all marijuana dispensaries,
Speaker 4: and the state government fixed that in the next budget.
Speaker 4: Look at the city of Toledo. I don't know what
Speaker 4: the revised was, but one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 4: for a good sized city. Yeah, And to me, that
Speaker 4: proves the theory that I've had and others have had.
Speaker 4: Nobody buys weed in Toledo because four miles into Michigan,
Speaker 4: they're nineteen dispensaries in Monroe, Michigan that you can buy
Speaker 4: your marijuana for half or two thirds.
Speaker 3: No question.
Speaker 1: I lived in Toledo for a number You went to
Speaker 1: bowling Grain just outside Toledo, worked until they lived in Toledo.
Speaker 1: Had I had both our kids there and moved here
Speaker 1: when they were very, very young. But yeah, the last
Speaker 1: time I was up there over the summer. You drive
Speaker 1: anywhere in Toledo, there's billboards all over for the dispensaries
Speaker 1: in Michigan. And you go over the state line, which
Speaker 1: is right there up just past Luna Pier if you
Speaker 1: know where that is. And after that in Monroe, not Monroe, Ohio,
Speaker 1: but Mona, Michigan. You're just they're all over the place.
Speaker 1: It's cheap, it's available, you're in, you're out. It's not
Speaker 1: a problem whatsoever. Why would I pay that tax in
Speaker 1: Toledo if I could get it much cheaper in Michigan,
Speaker 1: and I arguably a better selection because of that.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's cheaper and the taxes left, and so I would.
Speaker 4: So maybe in a year year and a half, we
Speaker 4: can have to have a discussion about Cincinnati. Yeah, Cincinnati's
Speaker 4: number falsely elevated because people Entucky are coming over to Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: You know they Kentucky just started their program, you know,
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago, so you know they do that.
Speaker 4: We don't know, We'll have to look at those numbers
Speaker 4: in a year or two and say, you know that
Speaker 4: that is what they are more likely benefiting from it.
Speaker 1: It's a cost benefit for Cincinnati, and you go, Okay,
Speaker 1: how much cheaper would it be in Kentucky. We know
Speaker 1: it's cheaper for a liquor and cigarettes. People go to
Speaker 1: Kentucky all the time, party sorts, et cetera for that
Speaker 1: because it's cheaper. They'll save a few bucks. But if
Speaker 1: it's marginally cheaper, they probably won't. This is substantially like Michigan,
Speaker 1: different story entirely, and that explains it because Cincinnati were
Speaker 1: a border city.
Speaker 3: Toledo is a border city.
Speaker 1: You don't have that problem in Cleveland obviously, unless you
Speaker 1: can swim really well, and then this weather if you
Speaker 1: can skate really well. The outlier, though, The interesting part
Speaker 1: about that then is Columbus. Why does if that's the case,
Speaker 1: and why does Columbus lead in revenue with four point
Speaker 1: seven million? Is simply because the border is too far.
Speaker 4: Away, I think, because it seems to me that you know,
Speaker 4: you look at Cincinnati and there's four or five townships
Speaker 4: in smaller jurisdictions that allowed dispensaries. So I think if
Speaker 4: you looked at Hamilton County as a whole, and then
Speaker 4: look at Franklin County as a whole they're pretty they're
Speaker 4: they're pretty similar because I just didn't look like outer
Speaker 4: jurisdictions of Franklin County allowed the dispensaries. But I think
Speaker 4: they're kind of pretty equal in the same for Cuyahogay.
Speaker 4: Cleveland's is not that much, but the whole county is
Speaker 4: is is a good number if you look at it
Speaker 4: that way.
Speaker 1: Well, I look at some of these discratch man like,
Speaker 1: for example, Columbia Township here in Cincinnati is in the
Speaker 1: top I think in the top handful of cities. One
Speaker 1: point six million for Columbia Township. Look at that going.
Speaker 1: I can't figure that one out.
Speaker 4: No, you know, and I and I think that now
Speaker 4: when this, when this was came out and became published,
Speaker 4: how many other jurisdictions have buyer's remorse in this in
Speaker 4: the sense someplace like you know, you spoke about NASA
Speaker 4: they you know, there's there's a couple hundred jurisdictions in
Speaker 4: the state that put it more to arm sause we
Speaker 4: just don't want we don't want marijuana. And I look
Speaker 4: at the in my in Miami County. In Pickla, you
Speaker 4: decided to have two dispensaries. They got a little heat
Speaker 4: from some some some residents, but they reached for you know,
Speaker 4: a town of thirty thousand people got to check for
Speaker 4: over four hundred thousand. They're going to build, you know,
Speaker 4: they early on said we're going to build parks. We're
Speaker 4: going to have a recreation at our entertainment center. And
Speaker 4: that's what we're going to do with it. You don't
Speaker 4: how many calls to nine one one to those two
Speaker 4: dispensaries in twenty twenty five many zero the drug dealer
Speaker 4: just you know, the theory was, you know, the drug
Speaker 4: dealer is going to sit in the parking lot reread
Speaker 4: you buy weed and they're going to sell you a
Speaker 4: ventanyl and they're going to sell you. Yeah. I'm not
Speaker 4: saying it doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: It's happening, right, It happens anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the problem has always been and the pearl
Speaker 1: clutters and the Luddites. I don't care what it is.
Speaker 1: It's always lagging. Indicate right, it's like the sky song,
Speaker 1: so the where the worst things are gonna happen, and
Speaker 1: ninety nine times out of one hundred, everything is fine.
Speaker 1: It's not the arm again. We saw that when it
Speaker 1: came to Casino gaming in Ohio years ago. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have prostitution and drugs and the cities are
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna be hell in a handbasket. And of
Speaker 1: course all the religious types fought that and what happened
Speaker 1: was no, nothing really happened. And the revenue they brought
Speaker 1: in because people want to legally do that stuff has
Speaker 1: been great. Are there problems with that?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: But the idea that somehow it's armageddon and you know
Speaker 1: it's it's biblical in terms of the disaster, it's going
Speaker 1: to be it's never comes to fruition ever does. But again,
Speaker 1: the next thing comes down the pike, the same people,
Speaker 1: the Bible thumpers, will be out there screaming the same
Speaker 1: nonsense and they're always proven wrong. And yet there's no
Speaker 1: shortage of people who want to believe that kind of
Speaker 1: stuff in that context, Senator, and do you see these
Speaker 1: municipals look at them going, damn, you know, the sky
Speaker 1: isn't falling, the worst isn't happening. We could use a
Speaker 1: couple of million dollars, a couple hundred thousand dollars. Do
Speaker 1: you see more municipalities than jumping into the to the
Speaker 1: dispensary game.
Speaker 3: Because of that, I think we do.
Speaker 4: I mean, in Tenegralle fifty six, we're allowing up to
Speaker 4: four hundred dispensaries. We're probably at about one hundred and
Speaker 4: eighty right now, so there's you know, two hundred more
Speaker 4: to go out there if that's what the market wants.
Speaker 4: And I mean, I think that those people have to
Speaker 4: really take a serious look at that, and look, you
Speaker 4: can zone it the way you want it. I would
Speaker 4: not want a dispensary in historical downtown Tips City, Ohio,
Speaker 4: which you can put it out in the industrial park
Speaker 4: in this area where it might be hard to find,
Speaker 4: but it's not obvious in your historical area. So you
Speaker 4: can do what you want with zoning, and so it
Speaker 4: doesn't it doesn't have to be any place in towns
Speaker 4: where the city council wants it.
Speaker 3: I don't know, i'd push back. Do you have bars
Speaker 3: in the historical district? Amen?
Speaker 4: I agree, yeah, I mean I understand it.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you'd be the one with the longest line
Speaker 1: outside a lot of these historical districts. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's lovely small town Ohio for sure, but you know,
Speaker 1: when you see a lot of boarded up storefronts when
Speaker 1: you see you know, no businesses down there, a lack
Speaker 1: of businesses, and they're always looking for people to come in.
Speaker 1: And you see more antique stores and you know historical societies, uh,
Speaker 1: with with a block of you know, the way life
Speaker 1: used to be. That's not really bringing business in. That's
Speaker 1: not really bringing adding to your tax base.
Speaker 11: No.
Speaker 4: I guess my point is is it's up to the
Speaker 4: city council and they can decide if they decided to
Speaker 4: put it down there so that you know, that would
Speaker 4: advocate more businesses, that would be fine. But you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff we did in fifty six and
Speaker 4: other things in marijuana to state level is allow local control. Uh.
Speaker 1: State Senator Steve Huffman. Let me pivot just to say
Speaker 1: because recently the well, another ballot initiative comes up because
Speaker 1: a lot of people, and rightly so, feel that the
Speaker 1: state of Ohio is not listening to voters. And we
Speaker 1: could go on and on and on about that. But
Speaker 1: the citizen led ballot initiative to repeal the new marijuana
Speaker 1: law has hit a snagger. So it's it's it's Ohioan's
Speaker 1: for cannabis choice. They've been around for a while. They
Speaker 1: want to repeal your bill, Senate Bill fifty six. It
Speaker 1: says it recriminalized use of cannabis. Dave Yosi AG has
Speaker 1: rejected their ballot petition summary because he was just reviewing
Speaker 1: it for truth, whether it's misleading or not. He said,
Speaker 1: there's some statements that are incorrect in there, so they'll
Speaker 1: have to go back and revisit that to bring it
Speaker 1: back to them.
Speaker 3: What do you make of it?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, that's that's their prerogative. It's it's a
Speaker 4: referendum to repeal parts of fifty six, and mainly it's
Speaker 4: about the beverages, but some smaller things on marijuana. So
Speaker 4: they revised it for a second time. It's back and
Speaker 4: ag Yost is office. He has till uh February third
Speaker 4: or five o'clock to make his judgment is it Is
Speaker 4: it truthful? And you know, we'll see what he has
Speaker 4: to say, and if he says it is, then they
Speaker 4: have about six weeks to get a quarter of a
Speaker 4: million valid signatures, which is a daunting task.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but again, I think about it, and I
Speaker 1: think of the breweries in and around Cincinnati and elsewhere.
Speaker 1: The you know, Adam Bakovich was on the show, the
Speaker 1: CEO of Ryan Geist, and I had the folks on
Speaker 1: from fifty West, and there's plenty of them that would
Speaker 1: lead that petition drive. You get enough bodies in there.
Speaker 1: The people sit at the bar and sign all damn
Speaker 1: day long because they feel like, you know, they've invested
Speaker 1: in this industry when it comes to THC and fused beverages,
Speaker 1: that they put millions into this thing and now the
Speaker 1: carpet is being literally pulled out from under them. A
Speaker 1: lot of people want it, a lot of people enjoy it.
Speaker 1: They see it as actually a better alternative to alcohol,
Speaker 1: which is again, as we mentioned, is fine. You can
Speaker 1: open a bar, but a dispensary is a different story.
Speaker 1: People use it for the first time or several times,
Speaker 1: they go, hey, wait a minute, I don't feel as
Speaker 1: bad drinking a THCH infused drink as they do after
Speaker 1: drinking alcohol. And as a physician tell me, what what,
Speaker 1: what's the difference?
Speaker 4: Well, there's some subtle differences, but you know that's what
Speaker 4: what if that's what people want, you know, that's what
Speaker 4: the Senate and the House put on the governor's desk,
Speaker 4: and it was his it was his decision to uh detO.
Speaker 4: That part is the beverage part of the bill. But
Speaker 4: you know, you look at the referendum. They would only
Speaker 4: get a reprieve for about six months because the federal
Speaker 4: law is going to kick in, so it would stay
Speaker 4: till the November election he had went up or down,
Speaker 4: and then I can't remember. By December first the federal
Speaker 4: law kicks in. It would all be illegal anyway. So
Speaker 4: it's hard to invest a lot of money in something
Speaker 4: you're only going to get six months. But you know,
Speaker 4: maybe they'll make that decision.
Speaker 3: Well, we're hoping.
Speaker 1: I think that the federal government comes to their senses
Speaker 1: and changes as well, which is a distinct possibility because
Speaker 1: they look at the business element of this thing, and
Speaker 1: they look at how much money is to begin, and
Speaker 1: also public demand and hearing from constituents.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that'll weigh on them.
Speaker 4: No, No, I agree, and I also agree with you.
Speaker 4: I think that the federal government in some way is
Speaker 4: going to put some I hope they put some parameters
Speaker 4: on it and then say let the states make the
Speaker 4: final details. You know, maybe Colorado said we can do it.
Speaker 4: You know, everything at a high level, and Utah is
Speaker 4: going to say, you know, we don't want that, but
Speaker 4: we'll see what Ohio says. But I hope the federal
Speaker 4: government does come to their senses and does something by
Speaker 4: that day.
Speaker 1: Seems to me, the initial push by those who wanted
Speaker 1: recreational marijuana and Ohio, which I totally agree with, is
Speaker 1: just to simply treat this exactly like alcohol. You know,
Speaker 1: from a chemical pharmological perspective, it's a little bit different,
Speaker 1: but it's the same. You're drinking something that makes you
Speaker 1: feel good, and if the THH and FUSE drinks make
Speaker 1: you feel better than the alcohol ones, you should add
Speaker 1: that choice. As a grown adult, we don't see the
Speaker 1: long term dangers of drinking THC or using TG products
Speaker 1: is maybe different, but about the same as alcohol, because
Speaker 1: both have their distinct disadvantages to them, but by and large,
Speaker 1: it's a product that's not going to kill you in
Speaker 1: short order unless you abuse it like anything else. Seems
Speaker 1: to me, the easiest thing to do is just treat
Speaker 1: THHC and FUSE beverages like alcohol and move on.
Speaker 4: I don't disagree with you, and that's what the General
Speaker 4: Assembly thoughts, and you know, we'll we'll see what the referendumair.
Speaker 1: Enough he is Ohio State Senator Steve Huffman from up
Speaker 1: in Tipsity, just the tipsy. Thanks again, Senator, all the best,
Speaker 1: Thanks for jumping in the show and explaining things. And
Speaker 1: it's it's good to see tax revenue coming in from
Speaker 1: the sale of marijuana. I hate to say I told
Speaker 1: them so, but we told them so for the last
Speaker 1: twenty years. That's that's a lot of money that could
Speaker 1: change lives and help communities, especially during these difficult times.
Speaker 3: All the best, you take care.
Speaker 4: One more thing. Sure it's a billion dollar industry in
Speaker 4: twenty five and that's a billion dollars not into the
Speaker 4: hands of drug dealer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, exactly, exactly. All right, Well, you may
Speaker 1: make a case later for legalizing other things, probably not
Speaker 1: to look how hard it was to get marijuana. But
Speaker 1: you know, to each his own, I suppose Scott's Loan
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Speaker 12: Even in your old age, you are still wise my
Speaker 12: old age. I don't want to talk about it. I'm
Speaker 12: not there yet. I've got one or two or three.
Speaker 12: It's like twenty nine plus tax is where I'm at
Speaker 12: right now. We're not we're not quite at the big
Speaker 12: four zero. But today is the birthday.
Speaker 9: Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Great day. We brought food in for you from Gonor's house.
Speaker 1: Oh how nice, delicious, A nice short red little basil
Speaker 1: pesto butterto.
Speaker 3: That's delicious. Yeah.
Speaker 12: We can eat more of that on the seventeenth for
Speaker 12: Fat Tuesday, for the big events.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a martograph folks in earlier this morning.
Speaker 3: You'll be there. I will be.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I will MC. I have a new one this
Speaker 9: year with Tom Brenneman.
Speaker 3: I know about that.
Speaker 12: He's in for a good time. I told him to
Speaker 12: take the next day off. What are you taking the
Speaker 12: day off.
Speaker 9: Week? That's week?
Speaker 3: What do you mean it's week?
Speaker 9: You should take it off. Then we can all go
Speaker 9: out together.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I took the Spirit Day. I'm like, no, we're going
Speaker 9: balls with the wall, sir.
Speaker 12: I used the Spirit Day for this one because I
Speaker 12: learned my lesson last year. I'm like, look, I'm here
Speaker 12: to party and have a good time, Yes, you are.
Speaker 12: I wake up way too early.
Speaker 1: I'm like, we got to take this chair, sleep until
Speaker 1: six o'clock. You, on the other hand, we're going to.
Speaker 12: Go out with Tom and I. I'm going to talk
Speaker 12: to you and Tom taking the day off, I think so.
Speaker 12: I think I talked him into it.
Speaker 3: I'll ask him.
Speaker 12: Yeah, So if you hear Steve the next day, or
Speaker 12: maybe Mike McConnell will come back out of retirement like
Speaker 12: our friend.
Speaker 3: Mark, You'll be there, Michae'll be there.
Speaker 9: Did you see that?
Speaker 12: Mark?
Speaker 9: And sales is back?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 9: What the hell is going on around?
Speaker 1: Whenever leaves here? No only people to get that leave
Speaker 1: and darn't invited back. Our people in this side of
Speaker 1: the microphone. Everybody else come on back, or.
Speaker 9: If they can't get in because of the snow.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little sports this morning here by the way,
Speaker 1: Marti graph for homeless kids on the seventeen. Sarah'll be there,
Speaker 1: I'm the king, Sheila Gray, John John and Tom Brenneman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're already party for a kid's chair. So anyway, Martin
Speaker 1: Grat twenty twenty six needs to sell some tickets here.
Speaker 1: It's a good mean for Valentine's If you're looking for something,
Speaker 1: it is awesome.
Speaker 12: It really is. The Joe Burrow Foundation. There are a
Speaker 12: big one on board this year, so it'll be it'll
Speaker 12: be great.
Speaker 9: Love it uh in.
Speaker 1: Big News Happy Birthday, by the way, thank you Big News.
Speaker 3: Miami.
Speaker 12: We're opening up again with the Miami RedHawks. We have
Speaker 12: we have nothing to day undefeated. This is something huge though.
Speaker 12: Had a huge crowd last night over like ninety two
Speaker 12: hundred kids showed up.
Speaker 9: Next Saturday. This upcoming Saturday's game sold out.
Speaker 3: Love It.
Speaker 9: I will be there in attendance. Tony Pike I believe
Speaker 9: is coming.
Speaker 12: Okay, so they're guaranteed the Bearcats to the red Ox.
Speaker 3: I can you imagine you and Pike Pike shows up.
Speaker 3: That's an l I am kind of worried Pike is lose.
Speaker 1: In front of us of Death and Sports on this morning,
Speaker 1: they had a little segment on can Miam of Ohio
Speaker 1: win the national title?
Speaker 3: No, I don't know that's that's a big ask. But
Speaker 3: it's pretty cool.
Speaker 12: To see Miami on It is being talked about nationally
Speaker 12: because the only other team that's undefeated right now is Arizona.
Speaker 9: So I believe they're twenty two and oh.
Speaker 12: Or twenty one to know like Miami coach again, I
Speaker 12: forget Travis Steele.
Speaker 3: I know where do I know that name from?
Speaker 9: Maybe from another team here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: And how that other team doing?
Speaker 12: You know what no one's doing as well as what
Speaker 12: the Miami RedHawks are doing right now in college basketball.
Speaker 12: But yeah, it is really cool to see my alma
Speaker 12: mater being praised on the national airwaves. And Travis Steele
Speaker 12: was on with Willie yesterday and he said, look, my
Speaker 12: family and I are really happy here in southwest Ohio.
Speaker 9: You do not have to worry.
Speaker 12: About us going anywhere. That's what he said to our
Speaker 12: friend Billy Cunningham.
Speaker 1: Spend in big programs and stuff, and it's like there's
Speaker 1: something to be said about being a little a big
Speaker 1: fish in a little ponds.
Speaker 12: Yeah, little Oxford Mac looking forward to being there this weekend.
Speaker 9: It's been a long time.
Speaker 3: I'm a Mac guy. My wife's a Mac guy. Maction, maction.
Speaker 9: I forgot your bgsu, aren't you g I.
Speaker 1: Did the sidelines in Toledo for a few years and
Speaker 1: I'm a MACA. You support the Mac love the Mac.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 12: Something aside from college basketball if you were worried, if
Speaker 12: you were one of those fans that were worried about
Speaker 12: Joe Burrow leaving, did you.
Speaker 9: Think he was going to leave Cincinnati?
Speaker 12: There were too many people on social media that were
Speaker 12: getting that rumor started. People on social media was trending,
Speaker 12: what was trending?
Speaker 1: Social killed Dave Lapham, for God's sake. So it doesn't right,
Speaker 1: I mean, just social media stupid. Yeah, lap is alive,
Speaker 1: and well, you're on social media a lot, and when
Speaker 1: it's it's really stupid. I've had to log off quite
Speaker 1: a few times lately. So I'm like, people are just
Speaker 1: too too angry.
Speaker 12: Well, Chase Brown is coming to Joe's defense and he goes, look,
Speaker 12: chill out. He's talking to CBS Sports. He goes, Joe's
Speaker 12: not going anywhere. I think that was totally blown out
Speaker 12: of proportion, and Chase went on to say it was
Speaker 12: definitely a good talking point for people.
Speaker 9: Gave the media something to talk about.
Speaker 12: The media, the media and the people of social media
Speaker 12: spreading that.
Speaker 9: Damn media a bunch of idiots. He's not going anywhere.
Speaker 12: Okay, Joe Burrow is still Oi.
Speaker 3: Shara's got a hydrate for this segment is how old
Speaker 3: this business.
Speaker 9: I just had to.
Speaker 12: Dig a sip, like I'm getting dehydrated sitting in here.
Speaker 3: Hard work. I gotta give you credit.
Speaker 12: Oh my yeah, what because I made it into work
Speaker 12: and some people didn't because of the quote unquote hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I said, here's the commitment Sarah has. She shows up
Speaker 1: to do the morning show it's a'm on Godly Hour
Speaker 1: and EBN and then comes in to do this segment
Speaker 1: right before noon. She's been here for seven eight hours
Speaker 1: at least, been a long day taking it from from
Speaker 1: the hills of Kentucky. Seg Dennison, is m I a
Speaker 1: for three straight days now?
Speaker 12: Tom Brenneman said, it's the ice. I guess the ice
Speaker 12: ice really bad and down.
Speaker 1: Why would it be Why would the ice be bad
Speaker 1: in Middleton nowhere else?
Speaker 12: It's not like it's not a part of this universe.
Speaker 12: I mean, I don't get it.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't either.
Speaker 1: I could mind boggle. Monday, all right, if you can
Speaker 1: do your job from home, do you job from home.
Speaker 9: And that's what Christopher and I did on Monday.
Speaker 3: But yesterday was like, okay, well they got the roads.
Speaker 3: I drove it on fine. Today it's like the roads
Speaker 3: are completely dry.
Speaker 9: Yeah, the snow is nowhere near on the streets.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna I guarantee you he will be back Thursday.
Speaker 9: The roost is in tomorrow.
Speaker 3: His Chicken's coming out. I think it's a safe bet
Speaker 3: he'll be back tomorrow. Also, Joe Brow, how afraid are you?
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to drive if he's
Speaker 1: on the road the same time, because if you're that
Speaker 1: scared of driving, you shouldn't be driving.
Speaker 12: You know, he's going five and a sixty five. It's
Speaker 12: best to stay home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got it. He'll drive in tomorrow, but he'll
Speaker 1: have his hazards on. He'll be in the left lane
Speaker 1: doing four.
Speaker 9: With an ambulance to his side.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 12: Still trending on social media Joe Burrow because a buddy
Speaker 12: of his took a photo of photo and a video
Speaker 12: of him playing the piano somewhere very tropical. So people
Speaker 12: are losing their minds over Joe Burrow playing the piano.
Speaker 9: Can check it out social It takes a lot.
Speaker 1: Right, he gets up in belches and it's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's the greatest bel jubber.
Speaker 9: It's so hot.
Speaker 3: Goo lord it's Joe Burier exhausting if you're Joe in
Speaker 3: that regard.
Speaker 12: That's why he leaves, and that's why people thinking that
Speaker 12: he's going to leave Cincinnati than he's like, you guys
Speaker 12: are crazy here.
Speaker 9: What the heck's time?
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: It's all on social doesn't matter what goes when he
Speaker 1: puts stuff up there. That's what happened.
Speaker 9: He tries to be as private as he can.
Speaker 3: He should be, Yes, I get it.
Speaker 12: But yeah, some photos leaked of him with his family
Speaker 12: on vacation and now he's playing the piano somewhere with
Speaker 12: his buddies. But someone else who's trending, not exactly Cincinnati,
Speaker 12: but Bill Belichick.
Speaker 9: I know, we talk about him a lot on the airwaves.
Speaker 12: Berserk it is Berserki. So he's not going to be
Speaker 12: a first ballot Hall of Famer. Of course, this is
Speaker 12: according to Adam Schefter, who got that info out. Fell
Speaker 12: short of the forty out of fifty votes for induction
Speaker 12: into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 9: What do you gotta do?
Speaker 1: You got fifty votes and you only need forty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty much a slamdunk, getn't it? Who
Speaker 1: are the ten idiots, it said.
Speaker 9: Nah, I don't get it. What's going through their heads?
Speaker 3: By Gates?
Speaker 1: Okay, great, there's two Controversi's great in the conference, but
Speaker 1: finding someone who isn't trying to you know, she's cutting
Speaker 1: quardies of winning.
Speaker 3: He's winning super Bowls. Mkay. If he was cheating that much,
Speaker 3: he would be kicked out of league.
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, absolutely. Do you think he'll come back to
Speaker 12: the NFL get out of college?
Speaker 9: It's not really working.
Speaker 1: On it's not I think I think your window bust.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of things come. It's not just
Speaker 1: the coach, but it's also the you know, you've got
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, You've got all these other elements and New England.
Speaker 3: There's no question about it. I just is it the.
Speaker 1: Baseball writers that that were voting because they're an angry
Speaker 1: bunch too.
Speaker 9: Absolutely they are. There's always drama with them.
Speaker 1: So I guess that Tom Brady isn't going to get
Speaker 1: this in the Hall of Fame. He'll be a shoe
Speaker 1: in not using this logic. No, I don't think so. Also,
Speaker 1: I like Tom Brady in the booth. I've really enjoyed
Speaker 1: his commentary.
Speaker 12: This Season's better than he's been Yeah, he really did
Speaker 12: a great job.
Speaker 3: It's better he's getting back.
Speaker 12: I like his analysis, and I think he's entertaining and
Speaker 12: he's well spoken and whatever.
Speaker 9: I like him.
Speaker 3: I wish he was doing the Super Bowl better than
Speaker 3: Tony Romo?
Speaker 9: Yes, do you like him better than Worlds better?
Speaker 4: I know?
Speaker 12: My husband asked me the same thing. He's like, well,
Speaker 12: why him over Tony Romo? He's just easier to listen to.
Speaker 12: Tony's a dork.
Speaker 9: I don't know. I don't like Tony Romo. I'm not
Speaker 9: a fan. Sorry, are you? Do you think of Tony?
Speaker 3: It's it's it's.
Speaker 1: So wishy washy, right, Like, It's like he'd be on
Speaker 1: one say, I mean you have to do that, you
Speaker 1: can't take sides. I guess it's he knows his stuff though. Man,
Speaker 1: he'll call a playout and it'll happen. Knows what he's
Speaker 1: talking about, of.
Speaker 9: Course he does. Yeah, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 3: What about Chris Collinsworth.
Speaker 12: Happy birthday to Chris Collinsworth. By the way, I think
Speaker 12: he had his birthday yesterday, so we're a day apart.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm asking.
Speaker 9: I like Chris Collinsworth, I like his son. I think
Speaker 9: they're a great duo.
Speaker 3: If he were from I don't know any other city
Speaker 3: you'd hate on maybe.
Speaker 9: Chris collins Worth.
Speaker 3: Have you ever said, shut up Chris of the TV?
Speaker 9: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I have good for you. Show up, Chris.
Speaker 12: I've heard he's a big fan of the Chiefs. You'll
Speaker 12: give a hard time for his love for Pat Mahomes
Speaker 12: and the Sheets. Okay, but it's like he can't really
Speaker 12: show favorites. He can't just go out and be a
Speaker 12: Bengals fan. Twenty four seven.
Speaker 9: He's trying to do a job right, so respectible you whatever.
Speaker 1: If it's local that that is the ass you're gonna get.
Speaker 1: Those slips are firmly.
Speaker 12: The Miami Redhak right twenty one and oh.
Speaker 3: All right, we got how much time? We got time?
Speaker 12: Yeah, we've got local hoops back tonight. The Bearcats are oh,
Speaker 12: Dave said, three minutes. Okay, Bearcats are back at Fifth
Speaker 12: Third Arena tonight. They're hosting Bayler tip off at six
Speaker 12: thirty Bears the Bears. Yeah, the Zager Musketeers are on
Speaker 12: the road. They've got Seaton Hall at seven thirty, which
Speaker 12: game is on the airwaves here the Bearcats.
Speaker 9: That's who we favor.
Speaker 3: Thank you the Bearcats.
Speaker 9: Here on the home of yours Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Reds on the home of the Cincinnata Bearcats.
Speaker 1: And then you got you got the Travis or I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: you got the u X, the X, the U via
Speaker 1: the u V. The X is playing on fifty five
Speaker 1: Arc D talk station.
Speaker 9: Thank you, Seg, thank you.
Speaker 12: Speaking of our ruds, fifty seven days to go until
Speaker 12: opening day.
Speaker 9: The countdown is countdown is officially on.
Speaker 12: How many days we've got Red Hawks and Ruds. God,
Speaker 12: I know my dad, being a huge Bengals fan every
Speaker 12: day sends me some sort of countdown.
Speaker 9: He's not really on board with baseball.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they've not done anything though to warranty.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm like, what are we What are we excited about?
Speaker 12: Zack moving forward?
Speaker 1: Arguably worse because other guys are gonna go right, all right,
Speaker 1: So be careful, Seg.
Speaker 3: If you drive it in today out of the peer pressure.
Speaker 9: No, we'll see him tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Maybe what's Chicken Day, He'll be here, segment here.
Speaker 12: Everyone be safe out there on the roads that have
Speaker 12: nothing on them. Yeah, all the words are clear, excepparently Middletown.
Speaker 12: It's the only one that's not.
Speaker 9: Middletown is under the snow and ice and dramas.
Speaker 3: They stole the plows and sold it for scrap.
Speaker 9: They forgot about them.
Speaker 3: I guess I'm more crack.
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know how icy it is too? Seriously, it's so icy.
Speaker 1: The Camtaylor brit Only is doing twenty miles over the
Speaker 1: speed limit.
Speaker 12: Oh my god. I wasn't even going to bring it up.
Speaker 12: It makes me so mad.
Speaker 3: What do you do?
Speaker 1: There's an acces morning on Fort washing Away. People calling
Speaker 1: the news from like crazy. It was car and it
Speaker 1: has it to be like seven o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: Somehow a car you may see on the news ended
Speaker 1: up with sticking straight up and down on the on
Speaker 1: the Uh, oh my god. And Fort Washington Away.
Speaker 9: I don't know how does that happen?
Speaker 1: Did you drive like an idiot? And I said, it's
Speaker 1: like it's between paycour and Great America. Like Cam turn
Speaker 1: to bring us a way into the stadium for some reason,
Speaker 1: we don't know about how anywhere Kay's cann that.
Speaker 3: Guy can he wreck?
Speaker 12: I'm done with Cam Taylor CTB. No, I cannot support
Speaker 12: So yeah, they've got to read that absolutely crazy behavior.
Speaker 1: They got a load all right. Anyway, Sarah Releas is here.
Speaker 1: Wish your happy birthday on our social media.
Speaker 9: Feedware, Sarah least one two eight one.
Speaker 3: Two eight, Happy fortieth for Sarah.
Speaker 9: Twenty nine plus tax.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of tax.
Speaker 9: That's not that much. It's not as much as you think.
Speaker 1: Like California, a little bit like New York City tax.
Speaker 1: I'm twenty nine attacks I'm forty.
Speaker 12: It's like twenty nine ish. We're not We're not at
Speaker 12: forty twenty. We are not at forty, not yet. I
Speaker 12: will not be here when I turned forty, I will
Speaker 12: not be here.
Speaker 3: You'll be here.
Speaker 12: I am getting out of Cincinnati, You'll be here. Uh huh,
Speaker 12: I probably will.
Speaker 1: We are.
Speaker 3: You're gonna go.
Speaker 9: I well know where else am I gonna go.
Speaker 1: She'll be sitting in ten years, she'll be just walk
Speaker 1: into a restaurant somewhere at ten o'clock on a Tuesday morning.
Speaker 1: She's there, just in Covington, just ripping Virginia slims, doing shaw.
Speaker 12: Did you used to be Sarah Lee's Yeah, yeah, yeah, honey,
Speaker 12: all of a sudden, I'm taking up smoking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're gonna go all the way down. Hey, hotie,
Speaker 1: Yeah he turned the mard shot, not exactly. Can I
Speaker 1: get my pictures, I guess Sarah tomorrow Morning kick Christie
Speaker 1: two seventy, Happy birthday, dear, thanks for popping and thank
Speaker 1: you for risking.
Speaker 3: Your life to come out of the icy road.
Speaker 1: I risked it all just to be here today. Sports
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