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Speaker 1: They do wonderful work. Dave Hadter, Welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: fifty five KC Morning. So I appreciate you being on

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's my pleasure, Brian.

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Speaker 1: I have read so many scary stories about AI. We know,

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Speaker 1: But that's bad enough recommending someone kill themselves, But how

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a little disturbing and a little depressing. So New

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Speaker 2: Scientist magazine had this article, AIS can't stop recommending nuclear

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Speaker 2: So they simulated war games. And you know, if you

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Speaker 2: That's exactly where I was going with it, Brian. So

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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with anymore. Brian. Mean, you've got that

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Speaker 1: sponsors tech Friday with Dave Hat that's Dave's company. They

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Speaker 1: do great work and I appreciate you, Dave, and real

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Speaker 1: quick here, man. Roadblocks must be a awful thing. I've

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Speaker 1: So if I was a parent and I had a

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Speaker 1: Dave gotta get the message on that this is scary stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna agree. You know. If folks want

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Speaker 2: recent Sean Ryan podcast. Sean Ryan for those who don't know,

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Speaker 2: has a very popular podcast. The most recent episode, I

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Speaker 2: forget the number, but it's entitled Schlep, which is the

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Speaker 1: Patrick sent me a link to that one as well.

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Speaker 2: It's disturbing and if your a parent or grandparent, I

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Speaker 1: All right, All right, Now, finally some practical information for

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Speaker 2: Dave Hatter. Yeah, so I'm sure this does not come

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Speaker 2: as a surprise to folks. During tax season, there's a

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Speaker 2: you know, Brian, we talk about scams all the time

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Speaker 2: So again, because of that, it makes it easy for

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Speaker 2: So I really strongly, strongly recommend everyone today over the

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Speaker 2: Yes, set up your IRS PEN. That's gonna make it

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Speaker 1: That's why we love you, man. That is solid information

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Speaker 1: that it absolutely help people avoid this problem. You know that.

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Speaker 1: That's why I really appreciate you man. That's simple. It's

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Speaker 1: my pleasure, and it really that that eliminates the potential.

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Speaker 2: then the last couple of tips since a, now we're

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Speaker 1: Thanks again, Dave Hatter, always excellent advice, and thanks to

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Speaker 1: interest it for helping businesses in the Tri State area

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Speaker 1: avoid these kinds of problems and get best practices in place.

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Speaker 1: Give interest I T a call if you've got some problems,

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Speaker 1: they will definitely work them out.

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Speaker 2: Dave.

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Speaker 1: Until next Friday, have a wonderful weekend man. I thank

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Speaker 2: Always my pleasure, Brian, I'll look forward to chatting with

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Speaker 2: you next.

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Speaker 1: Week in studio. I'm looking at him, Brian Eyebold from

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Speaker 1: the Help Squad. He's got some