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Speaker 1: next guests, Hugh. Yesterday he appeared on ABC Television on

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Speaker 1: I congratulate Representative Adam Smith from moving up in the

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Speaker 2: Representative Smith, thanks for joining us. How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great and thanks for having me. You guys

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Speaker 3: for gosh, I know fifty years now. I've been listening

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Speaker 3: and Huskies. So I am honored, much more honored to

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Speaker 2: We appreciate that and the reason we have you on.

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Speaker 1: The members of the House of Representatives pulled the Score Act,

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Speaker 1: the College Football Score Act, the bill just hours before

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Speaker 1: would have had allowed the NCAA and the College Sports

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Speaker 1: Commision to create and enforce national rules. So can you

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Speaker 1: give us for those that are unfamiliar, kind of a

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean, there's a lot of stuff in it,

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Speaker 3: the score Act was meant to give the NCAA an

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Speaker 4: Congressman Smith, thank you for for those thoughts. I'm curious,

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Speaker 3: Well, one argument is that we should just butt out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny and the very thought a sports analogy,

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Speaker 4: When you think, you mentioned you're a big sports fan,

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Speaker 3: Well, there's two big things. One is, you know, we

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Speaker 1: He was concerned that the bill infringed on athletes' rights.

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Speaker 1: Miami gets in, Notre Dame gets out, despite the fact

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Speaker 1: that Notre Dame was ahead of Miami in every single

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Speaker 1: college football playoff ball leading up to this point. And Hugh,

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Speaker 1: I've got my two foremost thoughts with this is one,

439
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Speaker 1: I thought a playoff committee actually did a fantastic job.

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Speaker 1: I think the right teams are in the college football playoffs.

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Speaker 1: And secondly, to piggyback what Finebaum said, if you are

442
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Speaker 1: not going to play by the rules of college football

443
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Speaker 1: that everybody else plays by, Notre Dame, if you are

444
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Speaker 1: going to decide it is more beneficial to you financially

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Speaker 1: and you don't want to subject yourselves to the rules

446
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Speaker 1: of a conference, then you have to expect that there

447
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Speaker 1: will be consequences when there is a tie quote unquote situation.

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Speaker 1: And you were hurt by two things. Really, you were

449
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Speaker 1: hurt by your head to head lost to Miami, clearly,

450
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Speaker 1: and the second thing you were hurt from is because

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Speaker 1: you don't play in a conference, You're not going to

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Speaker 1: play always a top team in a conference and some

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Speaker 1: middle teams in a conference and a bottom team in

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Speaker 1: the conference. And you just happened to pick the year

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Speaker 1: where on your schedule was the worst team in the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten Purdue, and the worst team in the SEC Arkansas,

457
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Speaker 1: and the worst team in the ACC, or a couple

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Speaker 1: of the worst teams in the ACC and Stanford, etc.

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Speaker 1: You just had a schedule that, yeah, it could have

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Speaker 1: been good, but it wasn't and that's your fault. Those

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Speaker 1: are my two takes on what happened with Miami and

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: Hugh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that. Like I said this morning,

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Speaker 4: not only do I think the committee got it right,

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Speaker 4: I think they got the right teams and the correct seeds.

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Speaker 4: Just my opinion. Now, I understand that people will have

468
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Speaker 4: different arguments and it depends on what you value. We'll

469
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Speaker 4: talk about Jmu and tou Lane in a second here.

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Speaker 4: But to me, it's okay, we take Notre Dame. They're

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Speaker 4: the thirteenth, we'll call them the thirteenth team. Right Well,

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Speaker 4: first of all, I think college football is making progress

473
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Speaker 4: because having a complaint from the thirteenth team is better

474
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Speaker 4: than having a complaint from the fifthteam, right right, And

475
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Speaker 4: which is better than having a complaint from the third team,

476
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Speaker 4: which is what we had with the BCS one only

477
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Speaker 4: had two, right. I mean I can remember the NCAA

478
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Speaker 4: tournament for years and basketball was thirty two teams. Then

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Speaker 4: they went to sixty four. There was a thirty third team.

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Speaker 4: There's a sixty fifth team. Now we've got what sixty eighteen,

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Speaker 4: sixty nineteen, don Matt, you know we get to sixteen

482
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Speaker 4: teams in football, there's going to be the seventeenth that's

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Speaker 4: going to say, hey, we are more worthy than the sixteenth. Well,

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Speaker 4: you could have done more. So I agree with all

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Speaker 4: of that on Notre Dame. I mean, they have for

486
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Speaker 4: most of their existence one hundred and nineteen years playing football.

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Speaker 4: For one hundred and four of those there were no

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Speaker 4: conference title games. They've been asked to be in every

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Speaker 4: conference you can imagine Big East, the Big Ten, the ACC,

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Speaker 4: the Big twelve. They've always turned it down and so

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Speaker 4: they're not playing a conference championship game. And so I

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Speaker 4: would just ask where would have we been a week ago.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying what was the committee who had a

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Speaker 4: better claim, because because if Notre Dame thinks that they

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Speaker 4: should be in, then they got to say, well, who

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Speaker 4: should be out? Are they going to say Miami? Can't

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Speaker 4: say Miami.

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Speaker 2: Probably say Alabama because they have three losses?

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Speaker 4: Okay right now, they might say JMU and Tulane, and

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Speaker 4: to me, that's an entirely different We'll have that conversation

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Speaker 4: in a second. But so let's say they say Alabama.

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Speaker 4: So let's compare. Alabama was the number one seed the

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Speaker 4: SEC in the entire annals from now until the rest

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Speaker 4: of time. Alabama will go down as the number one

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Speaker 4: seeded team in the regular season three months there was

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Speaker 4: four teams that had one loss. How does the seced determine?

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Speaker 4: They go by strength to schedule. The Texas A and

508
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Speaker 4: m and Ole miss had the lowest at three forty

509
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Speaker 4: four and three thirteen, respectively. Alabama and Georgia Alabama at

510
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Speaker 4: five to sixteen Georgia at four to sixty nine. Alabama

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Speaker 4: had the number one strength to schedule. That is not

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Speaker 4: what determined them being the number one seed. All that

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Speaker 4: process did is eliminate A and M and Ole Miss

514
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Speaker 4: and then that got down to two. The two with

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Speaker 4: the highest strength of schedule were Obama and Georgia. And

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Speaker 4: then they said between those two, who had the head

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Speaker 4: to head advantage. The answer was Alabama. So Alabama was

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Speaker 4: the number one seed in the number one conference, beat

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Speaker 4: four teams in the top twenty. Notre Dame only beat one.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 4: And and you know, in this absurd you know, five

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Speaker 4: hundred years from now, we're laying down a and it's

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Speaker 4: probably gonna be a lot less than that. Fifty or

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Speaker 4: even five years from now. We have laid down this

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Speaker 4: system that our prodigy are gonna laugh at us, that

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Speaker 4: college football. Everybody strive to be the best in you know,

527
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Speaker 4: top one or two team.

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Speaker 2: And what does that earn you?

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Speaker 4: In all other sports, that earns you a bye, and

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Speaker 4: the teams below you have to play for some right

531
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Speaker 4: to get to play you. But in some crazy construct,

532
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 4: we have the best teams they have to play, and

533
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Speaker 4: the teams that got beat out they get to buy,

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Speaker 4: and then they get to sit there and say be

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Speaker 4: critical of Oh, well you just lost to me. There's

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Speaker 4: no way that you go three months and you win

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Speaker 4: the SEC. There's no way that you're out of a

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00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 4: twelve team tournament period. You can affect your seating, and

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Speaker 4: if you win those games, you go up right. If

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Speaker 4: you lose those games, you can go down in seating,

541
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Speaker 4: but you don't get knocked out of the tournament. In

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Speaker 4: my opinion, this is.

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Speaker 2: A TV product. So please tell me why.

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Speaker 1: I've got two games, one between Alabama and Oklahoma, which

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Speaker 1: is a one and a half point spread. I've got

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Speaker 1: another game Miami in Texas and A and M which

547
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Speaker 1: is a four point spread, and then I am subjected

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Speaker 1: as a TV viewer, as a TV consumer, to have

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Speaker 1: to watch Mississippi is a seventeen and a half point

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Speaker 1: favorite over two Lane in a playoff game, and Oregon

551
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Speaker 1: as a twenty one point favorite in a playoff game

552
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Speaker 1: over James Madison. Why should I be subjected to those

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Speaker 1: teams in the playoffs?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think what it comes down to, it has

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Speaker 4: nothing to do because I agree with you. I'm not

556
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Speaker 4: sitting there saying, hey, you know let's let's have fairness. No,

557
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Speaker 4: I would want to see the best twelve teams as well.

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Speaker 4: But if you go back to the decision by the

559
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Speaker 4: NCAAA to fight the Austin case in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 4: they took it to the appellate court, it wasn't Austin

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Speaker 4: that lost the NCAA loss, and then the NCAA took

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Speaker 4: it to the Supreme Court, and that was just over

563
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 4: this little menial education related benefits and the NCAA and

564
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Speaker 4: their greed, didn't want to have to pay that compensation.

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Speaker 4: And so now they go take it to the Supreme Court.

566
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Speaker 4: The NCAA loses nine to nothing, and in the process

567
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Speaker 4: they basically strike down the amateur model and from that

568
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Speaker 4: literally from that day nil and all of the everything

569
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Speaker 4: that has transpired that you don't like about college football

570
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 4: right now, it happened because of Austin, because all the

571
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Speaker 4: amateurism got knock wiped out, and now it's being analyzed

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Speaker 4: by the courts. As the players are labor and so

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Speaker 4: they're protected as labor. They if you take this multi

574
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Speaker 4: billion dollar commercial marketplace that controls the TV money for

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Speaker 4: the Group of five recruiting Visibility Conference, financial survival and

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Speaker 4: the Group of five. They compete in the same division FBS,

577
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 4: they compete in the same division under the same rules.

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Speaker 4: If you coordinate to exclude, you are raising a red

579
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Speaker 4: flag in anti trust court. And the exact same thing

580
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 4: that burned you with allstin and before that with obaanmon

581
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 4: and that that will come back and you will lose

582
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Speaker 4: an anti trust court to the group of five. You

583
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 4: will have court ordered inclusion of the group in five

584
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Speaker 4: that will be far more than what you have. You

585
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 4: will have force revenue sharing, just like the players. You're

586
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 4: getting twenty million and you you got force revenue sharing.

587
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Speaker 4: Now you have your subject to treble damages in anti

588
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Speaker 4: trust court triple You know, if the group of five say, hey,

589
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 4: you've injured us to the tune of three hundred million,

590
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 4: well guess what you're getting the three hundred million times

591
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Speaker 4: three nine hundred million, okay, and lost of postseason control.

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Speaker 4: I would just say this my opinion, sit down and

593
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Speaker 4: shut up and just let those two group of five

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Speaker 4: teams play and and if you don't want to watch

595
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 4: that game, don't watch it. But understand this. If you

596
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Speaker 4: want to challenge and say I don't want to see

597
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 4: JMU and Tulane. I want to kick out the group

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Speaker 4: of five f around and find out what the consequences

599
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 4: will be, because you know what, your tournament in three

600
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Speaker 4: years might include half groupore or almost half of the

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Speaker 4: group of fives. So just understand, you got a pretty

602
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 4: good monopoly going. Just you know, throw them a couple

603
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 4: of cookies and play the rest of it. Just think

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00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 4: of this, Dick, Oregon and A and M have buys.

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00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 4: That's right, they just have right, they could get hurt,

606
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 4: but yes, they've got buys. And if you don't watch

607
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 4: a game, right, they just have buys. Instead of four

608
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 4: teams had buys, six teams have. But if you want

609
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 4: to think of it that way, but don't try exclude

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00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 4: those two in my opinion, because the unwanted consequences could

611
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 4: be far grater than you ever could have imagined. Because

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Speaker 4: what has transpired in the last three or four years

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00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 4: in college football is far greater than we would have

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Speaker 4: ever imagined three or four years ago.

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Speaker 2: Cliffaver's going to join the top of the hour talking

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Speaker 2: Hawks