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Speaker 3: twenty six to twenty loss to the New England Patriots
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Speaker 3: David Folcher. The Bengals were twenty six yards away from
Speaker 3: pulling off a miracle upset. Yes, but it was not
Speaker 3: man to be, as Joe Flacco's fourth and ten pass
Speaker 3: to Mike Cassecti fell incomplete, no flag against cornerback Marcus Jones,
Speaker 3: and the Bengals fall to three and eight with their
Speaker 3: fourth straight loss and eighth loss in nine games, and
Speaker 3: the New England Patriots improved to ten and two with
Speaker 3: their ninth straight victory.
Speaker 2: It is brutal being a Bengals fan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's brutal being a former Bengal when you see
Speaker 4: your football team played the way they play. But you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes you gotta, you've gotta, you gotta, you gotta suck
Speaker 4: it up, man, You gotta.
Speaker 5: Suck it up.
Speaker 4: And you've gotta find a way to find the wins,
Speaker 4: and you gotta keep fighting. And that's where they are
Speaker 4: right now. Evan McPherson money Mack, money.
Speaker 3: Mack kicks a franchise record sixty three yard field goal
Speaker 3: on the final play of the first half. The New
Speaker 3: England Patriots run ten plays, yes at gold to go situations,
Speaker 3: do not score a touchdown. The Bengals defense, which is improving, yes,
Speaker 3: hold New England to nineteen points because there was a
Speaker 3: pick six in there. Yes, so there are signs of improvement.
Speaker 3: But Rock, like you said when you walked in today,
Speaker 3: close don't count there.
Speaker 2: It don't count in the National Football League.
Speaker 5: No, it doesn't, man, And they are close.
Speaker 4: I mean you know a player two here, we get
Speaker 4: a pick six on defense, they get a pick six
Speaker 4: on defense, and we still lose a game and we
Speaker 4: only give up nineteen points. Now, we already talked about
Speaker 4: how this team gives up so many points. This time
Speaker 4: the offense couldn't score enough to win the game.
Speaker 3: And without Jamar Chase, Yes, the Bengals offense had to
Speaker 3: get creative. Okay, they got Mike Oseki back. They were
Speaker 3: using all kinds of players, especially Chase Brown. Players started
Speaker 3: dropping like flies with injuries on both sides. On both sides,
Speaker 3: And there was a point in this game in the
Speaker 3: second half where the Bengals were down to two healthy
Speaker 3: wide receivers by the name of Mitchell Tinsley and Charlie Jones.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were not healthy enough at receiver because these
Speaker 4: guys are getting hurt.
Speaker 5: But you said it.
Speaker 4: I think in the first six plays of the game
Speaker 4: there were three guys a Bengal and two.
Speaker 5: Players from the other team that got hurt.
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking, we haven't even played three minutes in
Speaker 4: a game and we've lost three players already.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Orrin Burks went down, Yes, but I believe he
Speaker 3: came back.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 3: Marco Wilson, corner back for the Bengals, Yes, he's out
Speaker 3: with a hamstring injury. They lost TODs Brooks running back
Speaker 3: with a concussion. And then later in this game, oh.
Speaker 4: Te Higgins, Yeah, that was his head slammed against the turf.
Speaker 2: Was brutal.
Speaker 3: And he was taking off on the cart, not on
Speaker 3: the back of the cart. He was riding alongside the driver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he lock.
Speaker 4: He just looked a little dizzy, you know when you
Speaker 4: get a concussion. Everything kind of blurry and just floating around.
Speaker 4: So when he got up off the ground, I know,
Speaker 4: I heard the paramedics upstairs holler that they need to
Speaker 4: get a cart because I'm upstairs in the press box.
Speaker 4: So when I heard that, I'm going, man, he's not
Speaker 4: getting up. But then that's aw him stand up. Everything's
Speaker 4: would be good. So concussion, But because of the short week,
Speaker 4: he's probably not gonna play on Thursday.
Speaker 3: How are they going to field a team on Thursday night,
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving Night against the Baltimore Ravens at M and T
Speaker 3: Bank Stadium.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I you know you you got
Speaker 4: somebody in that depth chart or they gotta go to
Speaker 4: the practice squad to bring somebody up. Man, because they're
Speaker 4: gonna go in there and with a six shooter in
Speaker 4: your hand and only got three bullets in it is
Speaker 4: not enough.
Speaker 5: Not enough.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I have to stand up here for a minute.
Speaker 3: I'm just so fired up. He is one thing that
Speaker 3: bothers me. And yes it's nitpicky, but body language means
Speaker 3: a lot. Okay, And Zach Taylor standing on the sideline
Speaker 3: with his arms folded, and on the other sideline, Mike frable,
Speaker 3: hands on knees, looking ahead. It looks like he.
Speaker 2: Wants to play. Yeah, come on, man, show some emotion.
Speaker 4: You know what's out there. It's what's funny. And I'm
Speaker 4: not funny like ha ha funny. But what's what's ironic
Speaker 4: is you know, Zach Zach Taylor. He's he's starting to,
Speaker 4: you know, be a little bit more vocal to the referees,
Speaker 4: trying to figure these things out.
Speaker 5: But something's got to happen.
Speaker 4: He needs to get a fifteen yard penalty because he's
Speaker 4: pissed off at how they're treating his football team and
Speaker 4: sometimes where the calls are going. But you know, nice
Speaker 4: guys in the NFL don't finish, you know what I mean, Oh,
Speaker 4: you gotta be a bad guy as the Pittsburgh Steelis.
Speaker 5: Why do you think the Pittsburgh Steelers get what they get?
Speaker 4: Because they're out there trying to knock people's head off,
Speaker 4: trying to hurt people, and the NFL acts like they're.
Speaker 5: Scared of him.
Speaker 2: But when you just kind of sit back and be passive.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying that he's a.
Speaker 4: Passive coach, but when you're when you're one of those
Speaker 4: guys that just goes okay, Okay, Well you know what, man,
Speaker 4: it's really not okay.
Speaker 3: I'm driving here to Milford. Love it here, Love Milford.
Speaker 3: I was just here yesterday. Yes, I'm firing some indoor
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Speaker 2: So I love it here. But I'm on my way.
Speaker 3: So I'm listening and I'm trying to take notes in
Speaker 3: my car on the way down here from the Miamisburg
Speaker 3: War Room. So when David Fulcher faux Rock walks in
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Speaker 2: Was Mike is sick?
Speaker 3: He interfered with on the final offensive play by the
Speaker 3: Cincinnati Bengals, no doubt, no.
Speaker 4: Doubt was passing inference. And I think they play before
Speaker 4: that the receiver came across the middle. It might have
Speaker 4: been Tensley. He was also interfered, you know. But they're
Speaker 4: not going to make those calls to change the game
Speaker 4: late in the game. If that game, if that was
Speaker 4: a third quarter or second quarter drive coming down, maybe,
Speaker 4: but the officials do not want to be the catalysts
Speaker 4: of changing the game or the outcome of the game.
Speaker 4: But those calls should have been made, and they weren't made,
Speaker 4: so in a sense, it wasn't passing inference, because if
Speaker 4: it was, they would have called it.
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Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 3: This is the place defense five one three, seven four nine,
Speaker 3: seven thousand and David, I've said all along that Joe
Speaker 3: Flacco is the kind.
Speaker 2: Of guy grizzled forty year veteran who will.
Speaker 3: Look awful in stretches and then look awesome in stretches. Okay,
Speaker 3: so he takes a sack that takes the Bengals out
Speaker 3: of field goal range. He throws a pick six, which
Speaker 3: was even Dan Horde and Dave Lapham could not believe.
Speaker 3: He double clutches and then throws it anyway, I mean
Speaker 3: telegraphing that throw to Marcus Jones for an.
Speaker 2: Easy pick six.
Speaker 3: Okay, Then how about the first drive here in the
Speaker 3: fourth quarter, Bengals have it third and one at their
Speaker 3: own forty five yard line. Yeah, they decide to pass
Speaker 3: the ball short right to Chase Brown incomplete fourth and
Speaker 3: one at the forty five.
Speaker 2: They line up. I'm thinking they're going for it.
Speaker 3: Penalty on Cincinnati jilay of game and they have to
Speaker 3: punch and Ryan Rico punch sixty yards into the yad zound.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what is going on? You know?
Speaker 4: I tell you, man, it's so hard to it's hard
Speaker 4: to be a fan. It's hard to be a former
Speaker 4: player because you just asked yourself some of the some
Speaker 4: of the scenarios just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: If you were you gonna go for it on fourth
Speaker 2: and one.
Speaker 4: What I hate about watching this offense, outside of them
Speaker 4: throwing the football to Chase and Higgins and those guys,
Speaker 4: is when it's.
Speaker 2: Third and one, we're still in a shotgun.
Speaker 4: We got to run five yards just to get back
Speaker 4: to the line of scrimmage. They did one thing today
Speaker 4: that I thought was pretty good when it came down
Speaker 4: to short yardage. Flackle had a quarterback and got four
Speaker 4: yards on that quarterback sneak we need a third and one,
Speaker 4: and he goes either third and one or fourth and one,
Speaker 4: and he goes for it and he gets four yards.
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking, well, why don't you do that all
Speaker 4: the time on third and short. I mean, I know,
Speaker 4: I know you don't want your quarterback getting hurt, but
Speaker 4: I think you have a better chance of getting a
Speaker 4: first down when it's third and one and your quarterback
Speaker 4: is under center. When it's third and one and he's
Speaker 4: six yards from the line of scrimmage and he hands
Speaker 4: the ball off to Tase Brown five yards in the backfield.
Speaker 5: That's hard to do. And I saw that today and
Speaker 5: I'm just as a as a fan.
Speaker 4: Again watching some of the things that the Bengals do
Speaker 4: it's just very, very frustrating, and it's frustrating because I
Speaker 4: know they're better than that.
Speaker 2: Amen to that rock. Let's go out to the phones.
Speaker 3: Jeff is in dry Ridge. He leads us off tonight, Jeff,
Speaker 3: are you there.
Speaker 8: Yes, sir, I am.
Speaker 5: How you doing, sir?
Speaker 8: Correct? We're at the game today, and it's just it's
Speaker 8: depressing when fer gets let out of the sales so
Speaker 8: many times during the game, when you see something crazy happen.
Speaker 8: But I want to address David Foulcher first.
Speaker 5: You are.
Speaker 8: I've been watching the Bengals. You're my all time favorite,
Speaker 8: uh defensive backfield player. We we used to weave to
Speaker 8: laugh a leave you some people.
Speaker 4: Well, I wish I wish they had somebody on the
Speaker 4: team that could thump the people today, man, because we're
Speaker 4: not thumping.
Speaker 5: Were so.
Speaker 8: Absolutely with it. But that said, Jick, do you live
Speaker 8: in you live in Milford?
Speaker 2: No, I live in Miamisburg. But I'm here a lot man.
Speaker 3: I ref and I umpire all over all over.
Speaker 8: Have you ever eaten the Mayti restaurant?
Speaker 2: No, I haven't.
Speaker 8: Uh fabulous tiphoon, unbelievable, unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Jeff, Like you mentioned, Jeff I'm sitting next to the biggest,
Speaker 3: the baddest strong safety. When he played in the National
Speaker 3: Football League, am he was a thumper, And I wish
Speaker 3: we could clone David Fulcher.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 4: I will tell you we did. I did clone one
Speaker 4: my son, David Jr. But he's you know, he's thirty three.
Speaker 4: He's thirty three and he was a running back.
Speaker 5: So it's all good.
Speaker 10: I gotta say that they really need you need to
Speaker 10: get rid of the Duke just kind of draft. If
Speaker 10: he's part of it, every part of it should go.
Speaker 10: There's They're terrible drafting every year. I beat him that
Speaker 10: draft right before they do every year, and every year
Speaker 10: my draft is better than their.
Speaker 8: Just couldn't do that way.
Speaker 3: Jeff, Hey, we appreciate. They gotta move on. Let's go,
Speaker 3: tester shoh, thank you very much. John is in Mason, Hi, John, Okay?
Speaker 3: How about Lee in Cincinnati?
Speaker 11: Hey, gentlemen, y'all doing today?
Speaker 2: We are good, sir? How are you?
Speaker 12: I'm doing pretty good?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 13: I gotta, I gotta.
Speaker 9: I'm calling with him a little.
Speaker 14: Bit, man.
Speaker 12: You know, I'm praying and I'm hoping that Mike Brown
Speaker 12: is sitting back and actually reflecting on what he's seeing
Speaker 12: from Zach Taylor, and I'm hoping that he's saying to hisself,
Speaker 12: this might be the year that I fired this man.
Speaker 12: And when I say that, I mean people tell me
Speaker 12: all the time, be patient, give them time. What about
Speaker 12: the super Bowl? Look, it's it's more so in today's
Speaker 12: Lee what have you done for me lately? So with
Speaker 12: that being the case, I'm really looking at Joe Brady
Speaker 12: from the Bills. Man, I feel like we're gonna go out,
Speaker 12: We're gonna.
Speaker 15: Get We're gonna make that ls LSU connection with Joe.
Speaker 12: Burrow, Jamar Chase and that Joe Brady.
Speaker 14: I'm just looking for Mike Brown.
Speaker 12: To take that jump and go ahead him, you.
Speaker 9: Know, tell Zach Taylor to kick Hey.
Speaker 4: I will tell you something, man, I know for a
Speaker 4: fact watching this franchise for so many years that in
Speaker 4: season firing doesn't happen, okay, And I know talking about
Speaker 4: everybody was talking about maybe Zach or the defensive coordinator
Speaker 4: doing the beat that they would go ahead and.
Speaker 5: Get out of here.
Speaker 4: But I don't even even watching the Bengals, firing coaches
Speaker 4: is very very limited.
Speaker 5: But it does make sense.
Speaker 4: I mean, it does make sense, because I know Brady's
Speaker 4: name came up a few times a couple of years
Speaker 4: ago because he was with the boys in LSU and
Speaker 4: he's out there. But I just I don't see it,
Speaker 4: and I don't know if Mike will do it, because
Speaker 4: you look at this football team a couple of years
Speaker 4: ago fighting for a chance to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: They're not that far off from that.
Speaker 4: The problem is, though, is that when guys get hurt
Speaker 4: and things start changing, and when you start changing coaches
Speaker 4: and players, especially position coaches, things go different.
Speaker 5: The defense that we.
Speaker 4: Had a year ago was reportedly a bad defense because
Speaker 4: it was lose problem. Lou takes an Indianapolis job and
Speaker 4: he's got a top five defense. So is it the
Speaker 4: coaching or is it players? Or is it scouting or
Speaker 4: is it recruiting? Is it that guy? That guy might
Speaker 4: be need to be different?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I agree.
Speaker 16: Now, what do y'all feel like?
Speaker 12: I heard what y'all talking about Joe Flacco and me personally,
Speaker 12: I feel like he's doing exactly what he's supposed to do.
Speaker 12: I mean, it's entertainment at the end of the day.
Speaker 9: Foolish people.
Speaker 12: I don't mean to call him foolish, but they whispering that.
Speaker 14: Joe Flacco just might be better than Joe Burrow.
Speaker 9: You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 12: So with that being the case, Joe Burrow is coming
Speaker 12: off of that injury, Joe Flacco has to make it
Speaker 12: little neat. You know, nobody wants to slot the transition
Speaker 12: to where people second guessing the decision to bring Joe Burrow.
Speaker 9: You feel what I'm saying. So that's just my take
Speaker 9: on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would, I would say chick when you start
Speaker 4: talking about Flacco coming in here. The Flaco coming to
Speaker 4: the Bengals was not a decision on fresh legs, youth.
Speaker 4: Flaco came in here with experience, experience and controlling. Joe
Speaker 4: Flacco's job is to keep the game under control. We
Speaker 4: don't want Joe Flacco to go out there trying to
Speaker 4: throw for five hundred yards and six touchdowns. We just
Speaker 4: want him to manage the game. And he has been
Speaker 4: managing the game.
Speaker 5: But when you try.
Speaker 4: And if you look at the defensive side of the
Speaker 4: ball in the last not this last two games, but
Speaker 4: the games before that, we had too many problems yet
Speaker 4: a play game and then today's game should have been
Speaker 4: winnable game because the defense can.
Speaker 2: Be scores down.
Speaker 4: Yes, we just scored enough today to beat the team today.
Speaker 2: We just scored enough a week ago to beat Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: But that's that's offensively and that those things need to
Speaker 4: get taken care of.
Speaker 2: And Lee, we've got to run. Appreciate the appreciation league over.
Speaker 17: Let's go.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Troy in Cincinnati.
Speaker 17: Hey, how you guys doing all right?
Speaker 2: Droyd?
Speaker 5: We're good?
Speaker 15: Yeah, Yeah, it's just depressing, you know, as a fan
Speaker 15: here every week you need to sit here and watch
Speaker 15: the same old product on the field and just like
Speaker 15: you know, it's either the offense scores enough.
Speaker 17: And the defense can't stop nobody.
Speaker 15: Or like the last two games, the defense is played
Speaker 15: halfway defense. I just want to why they didn't play Burrow.
Speaker 15: I know it's a short week, but put him in
Speaker 15: and he wants to play them.
Speaker 9: And the division is still up.
Speaker 17: For grabs, and that's the bad thing about it.
Speaker 15: Like the division ain't that strong this year. And you know,
Speaker 15: Baltimore one.
Speaker 17: Today, so now it's like they're six and five for
Speaker 17: six and five, the Bengals were.
Speaker 15: Won today, they could have been four and seven, So
Speaker 15: it's just frustrating that.
Speaker 17: You know, like of all years and all.
Speaker 15: The players that they had contract issues with, Henderson, Higgins
Speaker 15: and Chase, none of them play today or even Burrow.
Speaker 17: So you got four players.
Speaker 15: Or four half played players and they weren't on the field.
Speaker 15: They're due to injured so and Chase what he did.
Speaker 15: So just wondering why they should just win, haying with
Speaker 15: Burrow and go out, go out in for it, even
Speaker 15: if it's on the show. Week of Burrow said he
Speaker 15: was ready to play. I'll let you guys talk about that.
Speaker 4: Hey, I was a little I was a little shocked
Speaker 4: that Joe didn't play, you know. And once again people go, hey,
Speaker 4: if the team is not going to the playoffs or
Speaker 4: they're in a bad shape, but Joe Burrow is still
Speaker 4: part of.
Speaker 5: This football team.
Speaker 4: If a lionan gets hurt, if a running back gets hurt,
Speaker 4: you know when he comes back, he's coming back no
Speaker 4: matter what, no matter us being three and seven or
Speaker 4: seven and three. So the same with Joe Burrow because
Speaker 4: he is part of this franchise.
Speaker 2: He is part of the football team and no.
Speaker 4: Matter what happens, win or lose, to have your best
Speaker 4: players on the field, going after and I don't know
Speaker 4: why Joe Burrow didn't play. I know it's a short week,
Speaker 4: but you know what, Joe should have played today and
Speaker 4: Joe Betta play on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: And with that we've got to run. It's the top
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Speaker 3: I'm alongside Bengals legendary strong safety David Foulcher. We're breaking
Speaker 3: down the Bengals twenty six to twenty loss to the
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Speaker 2: This is the place to vent about your three and
Speaker 2: eight Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 5: Never would have thought that it's.
Speaker 18: Top being a Bengals fan, David Fulcher, never would have
Speaker 18: thought they'd be three and eight never, you know, not
Speaker 18: what the players that they've got, It just it baffles
Speaker 18: me there with three and eight.
Speaker 2: Take away the Bengals.
Speaker 3: Pick six that they scored on and you got to
Speaker 3: give it up for Geno Stone on the interception and
Speaker 3: the thirty three yard run to the end zone that
Speaker 3: dave the Bengals ay ten to nothing lead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought we I thought we got out there
Speaker 4: too early, man, because that's all that ten nothing, And
Speaker 4: all I thought about was is can we maintain this
Speaker 4: or get better from it?
Speaker 5: And we did not.
Speaker 3: Ten drives for the Bengals in this game, five punts,
Speaker 3: two field goals, one touchdown, an interception, and the game
Speaker 3: ends on downs down.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was chick.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: We we can analyze and look at why they're they're
Speaker 4: they're bad at times. They they've never really played a
Speaker 4: complete football game. Million offense, defense, special teams. It's been
Speaker 4: one one one of those three phases has been much
Speaker 4: higher than the other two. And today was a perfect
Speaker 4: day because I'm telling you, I I at the beginning
Speaker 4: of that game, and I'm watching this quarterback for the
Speaker 4: New England Patriots, Trake May, and all of his statistics
Speaker 4: and all these conversations about is he in the MVP conversation?
Speaker 4: And I didn't see that today. I didn't see this
Speaker 4: guy who was so spectacular today.
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, you know what, man, we got a chance.
Speaker 4: We've got a chance if our offense just scored the
Speaker 4: points to do what they've been doing. We got a
Speaker 4: chance because they looked like the defense had them where
Speaker 4: they wanted them. And then all of a sudden, the
Speaker 4: one flew over the cuckoo's nest, let the bird.
Speaker 2: Out, and the bird took off.
Speaker 3: That's right, twenty six to twenty final Bengals were up
Speaker 3: ten to nothing. They get outscored twenty six to ten. Unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Let's go out to the phones. Tiffany, are you there?
Speaker 19: Yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 2: Hello, Tiffany, welcome the seven hundred wl.
Speaker 19: W thank you on our way back home from watching
Speaker 19: that horrible loss. Then season ticket holders for a while.
Speaker 19: My question is, and this kind of follows up to
Speaker 19: what was previously talked about, at what point I know
Speaker 19: you want your star players out there you want to
Speaker 19: see Joe Burrow back, and we were hoping that we
Speaker 19: were going to see that today, which of course didn't happen.
Speaker 19: But now that we've got that loss, and it just
Speaker 19: seems like that season is coming more and more to
Speaker 19: where we're not going to come back from it. I mean,
Speaker 19: you basically have to have a perfect record from this
Speaker 19: point forward. At what point do you not play Joe Burrow,
Speaker 19: Jamaar T. I know those are going to be hard
Speaker 19: conversations because all those guys are so competitive, and you
Speaker 19: know you want to see them out there, You want
Speaker 19: to see them when at all costs. But at what
Speaker 19: point do you say let's not because of the injuries?
Speaker 19: I mean, like what happened with T today? Well, I
Speaker 19: mean just your thoughts on that when because if you lose,
Speaker 19: you get higher draft picks and you want to have
Speaker 19: a better season next year. So at what point do
Speaker 19: you say let's not and just kind of see what
Speaker 19: we can get going for next season?
Speaker 4: At this point, well, as a player, if I'm out
Speaker 4: there playing and busting my butt weekend and week out,
Speaker 4: win or lose, and right now we're losing, and then
Speaker 4: I've got the franchise quarterback who is coming off of
Speaker 4: injury and he looks like he's good enough to play.
Speaker 5: He should be out there balling with me.
Speaker 4: Whether we win or lose, he should still be out
Speaker 4: there balloing. And I know sometimes people go, well, you know,
Speaker 4: there's no reason for him to play.
Speaker 5: Well, there is a reason. There's like four million dollars
Speaker 5: a game reason that he should be playing.
Speaker 2: Fifty million reasons.
Speaker 5: Yeah, fifty million reasons.
Speaker 4: So yes, Joe Burrow, if he's able to play, he
Speaker 4: should play. I thought Joe was going to play because
Speaker 4: I think during the week he took all of the
Speaker 4: number one snaps because Flacco's shoulder was bothering. And that
Speaker 4: told me one thing that this guy is ready to
Speaker 4: go and he wants to play.
Speaker 2: People say short week.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter to me if we had to play
Speaker 4: a game tomorrow and the rest of those guys are
Speaker 4: out there playing tomorrow, So why can't Joe Burrow do it?
Speaker 4: So I would say Joe Burrow should play. If he's
Speaker 4: available to play, he should play, and he should play
Speaker 4: for the rest of the year as long as he
Speaker 4: is able to play.
Speaker 2: Tiffany, we appreciate the call. Yes, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Let's move on. Rick, are you with us? Rick?
Speaker 5: Hello?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 9: Rick?
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 9: Oh? How ya? I'm doing? Jentlemen, I'm up saying about that.
Speaker 9: You see, you see how you see to have had it.
Speaker 9: They gave over the bye yesterday, you know against l J.
Speaker 3: Mark say, monster, an absolute monster, rushing for two hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty two yards?
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4: And Bear from Blackbyer was awesome too, they they they
Speaker 4: hogged the ball for forty minutes in that game.
Speaker 2: B Yu was awesome.
Speaker 7: But when that quab when the quarterback got hurt, and
Speaker 7: uh and I guess Sube Suebrie and you see is
Speaker 7: alive and well, because they could have just run over
Speaker 7: that team without that, I mean they lost their their quarterback.
Speaker 9: And see what all they had to do was just
Speaker 9: stop the run. You know, all they had to do
Speaker 9: was just you know, Russia, Russia, Russia Russell and uh.
Speaker 20: They could have flipped that score. I said that they
Speaker 20: just handed the game with the bay was like they
Speaker 20: fell sorry for him, you know, yeah, the quarterback we
Speaker 20: feel sorry for.
Speaker 9: You know, that's what it looked like.
Speaker 2: You know, special teams murdered U see last night?
Speaker 9: I know I know. Hey, hey I know you have
Speaker 9: three three field goals.
Speaker 5: This you're right, you know, right, right, right.
Speaker 20: But but besides that, uh, that b why you lost
Speaker 20: the quarterback. I mean they put themselves on the silver platter,
Speaker 20: you see. I mean that was a gift that gave
Speaker 20: would should have been a gift they had no quarterback.
Speaker 3: Rick, Rick, you called w l W last night, which
Speaker 3: I appreciate, and you said, if Evan Pryor plays in
Speaker 3: this game, you see wins.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: I love Evan Pryor, former Buckeye, now a bear Cat.
Speaker 2: I love him. He was awesome.
Speaker 3: But you see, did not sustain any momentum. They only
Speaker 3: had the ball for twenty minutes in that thing. Yes,
Speaker 3: they came back at the end, but then Pyu scored
Speaker 3: again late, so we got to move on here we're
Speaker 3: talking Bengals football. We appreciate the call.
Speaker 2: George, Are you there?
Speaker 16: Yes, I'm here.
Speaker 9: How you doing taking advance of my call?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 12: That?
Speaker 16: Uh, first time caller that I think the Bengals had
Speaker 16: a key game because you showed without the key players
Speaker 16: for he came. The Bengals lost that game in the
Speaker 16: first half when the coach did not kick that field goal.
Speaker 16: That field goal would have left him with three points
Speaker 16: and they came back. They would have in the last
Speaker 16: twenty six second of the game, they could have won.
Speaker 16: But that's my take on it, and I'd like to
Speaker 16: hear you what y'all think about that.
Speaker 9: Thanks.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was critical, Yes, that did. You took
Speaker 3: a sack. I know it took him. They were there
Speaker 3: would have been a fifty two yard field goal, fifty
Speaker 3: two or fifty three. You were with the thirty five
Speaker 3: yard line and you take what a twelve yard sack
Speaker 3: and it kills you.
Speaker 2: And you know what, we also coaches always tell your.
Speaker 5: Quarter back, man, you got.
Speaker 9: Right overdid this game?
Speaker 21: I think he got He got to goggles thinking that
Speaker 21: that score, that touchdown to win that game out instead
Speaker 21: of playing statistic in the football game, don't go that
Speaker 21: far down, take the three and you had a whole
Speaker 21: second and a half to come back.
Speaker 22: They'd have got there.
Speaker 16: They'd have been three points down because he got one
Speaker 16: of the beast kickings in the league.
Speaker 3: And don't beat well and so does uh talking about
Speaker 3: great kickers, New England's got one too, andres Bori Dallas
Speaker 3: four for four man he busts a fifty two yarder man,
Speaker 3: he misses that the Bengals are in prime position yet
Speaker 3: two either kick the game time field goal or win
Speaker 3: that game.
Speaker 13: That they would be they would have did that. I
Speaker 13: think you.
Speaker 21: Should have just did three points that that I had
Speaker 21: come back and they would have been down.
Speaker 8: And so they.
Speaker 20: Alright, that's my FA.
Speaker 13: Appreciate the call.
Speaker 2: All right, George, I appreciate the call. Uh. Do we
Speaker 2: have Andre in Cincinnati? Is Andre there?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 5: I am, Hey Andre?
Speaker 2: How you doing? Man?
Speaker 17: Hey, I'm doing all right.
Speaker 6: How you gentlemen doing?
Speaker 5: We are doing good?
Speaker 2: Exceptionally?
Speaker 5: What I just I just got one thing to say.
Speaker 5: You know, Joe ain't playing.
Speaker 9: Let's let's just go ahead and trade him. With what
Speaker 9: we got invested into him.
Speaker 23: We can show up a defense and offense and we
Speaker 23: can get a mediocre quarterback. Uh, pick one, Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 23: any one of them that will come in.
Speaker 4: No, No, and no, we need a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 2: The Bengals have one. They've got to improve all aspects
Speaker 2: of this, of this offense and defense.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, and if you trade Joe, you can
Speaker 9: do that.
Speaker 4: No, ask the Cleveland Browns, why would you Why would
Speaker 4: you trade your franchise quarterback.
Speaker 9: I mean you're trading because you trying to win.
Speaker 23: I mean, if you trade Joe and you got and
Speaker 23: you can show up your offense and your defense, and
Speaker 23: you can go and get a Kirk Cousins, one of
Speaker 23: them type of quarterbacks like him.
Speaker 9: You do, Hey, look look at this.
Speaker 23: You score eighty points in two games and lost both
Speaker 23: of them.
Speaker 4: Well, you don't want to get rid of your eighty points.
Speaker 4: You just need to improve your defense.
Speaker 22: Don't want to get rid of your eighty points.
Speaker 4: But if you get rid of Joe, now your eighty
Speaker 4: points become twenty, and then you're still giving up.
Speaker 5: You might be giving up sixty on defense.
Speaker 23: But if you get rid of Joe and you sure
Speaker 23: up your defense, you might not be giving up but three.
Speaker 4: So my question is, so to have Joe Burrow and
Speaker 4: the offense that we have, So is it Joe Burrow
Speaker 4: getting rid of him to show up your defense? Is
Speaker 4: it your scouting department that don't know what they're doing
Speaker 4: to make that defense?
Speaker 23: You go, the scouting department don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 4: Okay, so let's get rid of the Let's get rid
Speaker 4: of the guy that's running the scouting department and see
Speaker 4: what happens there.
Speaker 2: You don't want to get rid of Joe Burrow and
Speaker 2: and I've.
Speaker 6: Got a lot to keep Joe.
Speaker 23: But I'm just saying to shure up your defense and
Speaker 23: your offense.
Speaker 9: You can you can do.
Speaker 5: You can do Jeff as good.
Speaker 23: I mean, Joel is a great quarterback. I'm not taking
Speaker 23: that away from him. But if you can trade Joe
Speaker 23: to like the Jeff, the Jeff got a.
Speaker 9: One hundred and five first round pieck.
Speaker 4: Andre appreciate it. Call, appreciate call. We gotta move on.
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Speaker 2: And it's gotta be. With four forty to go in
Speaker 2: this game, Joe.
Speaker 3: Flacco throws a seventeen yard pass to Mitchell Tinsley, bringing
Speaker 3: the Bengals within twenty three to twenty.
Speaker 2: Yes, with four forty to go, and we're automatically.
Speaker 3: Thinking, if they can get the ball back, maybe tye
Speaker 3: or win this game. Yep, they came within twenty six
Speaker 3: yards of pulling off a miracle that didn't happen.
Speaker 5: They had a shot man.
Speaker 4: This was a when tod game started, I didn't think
Speaker 4: that the Bengals had a chance to beat New England
Speaker 4: because New England come in here playing some pretty good football.
Speaker 5: But we had a shot. We had a shot man.
Speaker 5: That's all you asked.
Speaker 4: As a player, all you want to ask is give
Speaker 4: me a chance, give us a shot, and they have one.
Speaker 3: Hey, let's go out to the phone. Said welcome in,
Speaker 3: Kurt and Mason, Kurt, are you.
Speaker 24: There, Yes, sir mister Ludwick, mister Fulter, thanks for the opportunity.
Speaker 24: I answer a question for me. If the head coach
Speaker 24: is calling the plays, what does the offensive coordinat or
Speaker 24: do I'm just so frustrated. I saw two or three
Speaker 24: plays a day where we were third and one and
Speaker 24: we predictably passed. I don't understand why we're passing on
Speaker 24: third and one. Help me understand that.
Speaker 4: Wow, I say the same thing man, third and one.
Speaker 4: I saw one play where we were third and one,
Speaker 4: fourth and one, wherever it was, and Joe Flacco got
Speaker 4: on the center and they pushed the pile for three yards.
Speaker 5: And I'm staying on myself. I know third and one.
Speaker 4: If you were in a position where you have to
Speaker 4: go four down territory, I could see them doing something
Speaker 4: on third and one and trying to get five or
Speaker 4: six yards, and then you come back on fourth down
Speaker 4: and you run the ball forward to get the first down.
Speaker 5: I don't know you said it right, man.
Speaker 4: Play calling, it's almost like, you know, I almost want
Speaker 4: to call it, like being a bully. I'm the head coach,
Speaker 4: so I can call plays. I can do what I
Speaker 4: want to do. And I got an offensive coordinator there,
Speaker 4: and I think that's what happened with Callahan. When Callahan
Speaker 4: was here, He's the offensive coordinator, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: that job came available in Tennessee, so he took the
Speaker 4: job in Tennessee. But I don't think head coaches should
Speaker 4: be calling plays. That's why if you got an offensive
Speaker 4: coordinator on your staff, his job is to coordinate the offense.
Speaker 2: The head coach job is.
Speaker 4: To get the football team ready to play on game
Speaker 4: day during the week. But the offensive coordinator, tod fensive coordinator,
Speaker 4: that's their job to get their teams ready to play
Speaker 4: on Sunday.
Speaker 2: The question was about a third passing on third and one.
Speaker 5: Yes, okay?
Speaker 3: To me, I translated that by this, we're going forward
Speaker 3: on fourth down. If we don't get it on third down,
Speaker 3: that's why we're gonna pass, So we're gonna run the
Speaker 3: ball and get that one yard.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So with thirteen ten left in this game, it's third
Speaker 3: and one, they pass incomplete to Chase Brown, so I'm thinking, okay,
Speaker 3: they're gonna go forward on fourth They line up and
Speaker 3: then have a delay up day.
Speaker 2: How in the world does that happen?
Speaker 4: I think that's coming because I can sit there and
Speaker 4: you can watch Flacco.
Speaker 2: He's getting to play. Call in too late.
Speaker 4: But I don't even know if the Bengals were gonna
Speaker 4: go forward on fourth down where they trying to get
Speaker 4: the team to jump off side, where they trying to
Speaker 4: get New.
Speaker 5: England and jump off side.
Speaker 4: But when you're going third, when it's fourth down and
Speaker 4: one and you're lining up to go fourth down Ford
Speaker 4: on fourth down and one and you have a delayed game, Well,
Speaker 4: what was your reason for doing that?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 5: You shet it.
Speaker 4: I mean, at least at least make them jump off
Speaker 4: side or give them some hut hut or do something crazy.
Speaker 5: But you get up there and you got a delay
Speaker 5: a game.
Speaker 4: Now you have to punt on fourth and sixth unbelievable,
Speaker 4: just unbelievable.
Speaker 24: Well on on fourth, on third and one, it doesn't
Speaker 24: matter who the quarterback is going to be. It's it's
Speaker 24: all a coaching call right there. So you know, it's
Speaker 24: just sad to me that we I mean, if you
Speaker 24: got third and one, if you don't make it on
Speaker 24: the first one, then you got a better chance of
Speaker 24: getting it on fourth, you know. I then you're putting
Speaker 24: if you go pass and and probabilities lower of making
Speaker 24: that it's just fourth and one, then you're putting all
Speaker 24: your marbles there. I just it's it's a coaching problem.
Speaker 24: I don't think that it's a it's a quarterback problem.
Speaker 3: Kurt, and we got a run. We appreciate the call
Speaker 3: to me. How about the novelty of calling two plays?
Speaker 3: If we don't get it on third down, we're running
Speaker 3: it quickly on fourth down, so we don't have a
Speaker 3: delay of game.
Speaker 5: Get up there really quick, four down and go.
Speaker 2: That's right, it's exactly right.
Speaker 3: Uh, let's stick with the phones here. Bronni in Greenville?
Speaker 2: Are you there?
Speaker 17: Yes, I am all right, home of.
Speaker 2: Made Right Sandwiches.
Speaker 25: Yeah, that's Greenville, Ohio.
Speaker 6: How you guys doing.
Speaker 4: We are well, besides getting our butts kicked again today,
Speaker 4: we're doing Okay.
Speaker 2: Were it up tonight? We're breathing.
Speaker 5: We're breathing.
Speaker 6: Oh well, I was.
Speaker 13: I was just playing golf today.
Speaker 9: Listen.
Speaker 3: There's golf to be played, in tennis to be served,
Speaker 3: according to the late Great Sam.
Speaker 2: Wish, and leaves to be raped. What Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 14: My question is you, guys, what what point you fired
Speaker 14: the coach?
Speaker 5: What point do you decide to fire the coach?
Speaker 4: Well, yes, as a as a Bengals fan, as a coach,
Speaker 4: as a being around Mike Brown, I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure that. I don't think it will happen.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think it would happen because I think Mike
Speaker 4: Brown is not that kind of owner that would like
Speaker 4: to fire people during the season. He's extremely patient. He's
Speaker 4: a very patient man with because his.
Speaker 3: Dad got knifed by Art Modell after the nineteen sixty
Speaker 3: two seasons, so he is very.
Speaker 2: Patient with coaches.
Speaker 3: However, Dave Schuler was gone on at midseason, Dave Schuan Okay,
Speaker 3: and Bruce Coslet resigned in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2: Nine season after getting a thirty seven to nothing whooping
Speaker 2: yes in Baltimore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and didn't Bill Tiger Johnson get removed in favor
Speaker 3: of Homer Rice in season.
Speaker 2: So it has happened.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, I don't don't. I really don't know.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of things that need to be moved
Speaker 4: in and out of this franchise. I was talking off
Speaker 4: the air about we don't have a general manager.
Speaker 5: We need a general manager.
Speaker 4: We need somebody to run the football operations, not let
Speaker 4: the coach run the football operations. And when you get that,
Speaker 4: you're gonna get wins, You're gonna get things happening.
Speaker 5: We need more scouts.
Speaker 4: The only scouts that we have on the Bengals staff
Speaker 4: are the coaches. I even request of being a scout
Speaker 4: for the Bengals. I don't think I know.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think I know a little bit about football.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know anything about nothing else.
Speaker 4: But I think I can go out and scout a
Speaker 4: player and then come back and say, hey, this guy
Speaker 4: has a very good motor. But when you have seven
Speaker 4: coaches who are your scouts and your coaching staff, you're
Speaker 4: you're you're You're asking those guys to do a whole lot,
Speaker 4: and they too need sleep, And if they don't get
Speaker 4: enough sleep, who knows what they're looking at?
Speaker 5: So when is enough enough?
Speaker 4: Well, we're talking about the Cincinnati Bengals and Mike Brown.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I'm not sure where that's gonna go.
Speaker 3: Hey, appreciate the call. We gotta move on, Mike is Than.
Speaker 9: I appreciate appreciation.
Speaker 2: Mike is in lost saton to this.
Speaker 14: My bad full Rockefello Angelino. But it's not just your full.
Speaker 5: All right, you're doing, my brother, what's happening?
Speaker 2: What's happening? Arizona State University?
Speaker 4: There we go four time, all Americas four time.
Speaker 14: Not too many of the proud, proud, proud native son
Speaker 14: of the City of Angels right there.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, City of Angels Man, Holly Wood.
Speaker 6: That's it.
Speaker 14: I'm down and uh, I'm living in Manhattan. Now get
Speaker 14: nice down here. I'm very grateful, David. Uh, I got
Speaker 14: a Well, I'm down at the stadium on my TOEFI now,
Speaker 14: well the band I'm with fourteen other disabled Vietnam vets
Speaker 14: and they were kind enough to bring us down to
Speaker 14: the game tonight, and hopefully we'll have some good seats.
Speaker 14: But even if we don't, we're grateful and they brought
Speaker 14: us down. And this place is rocket Man, and there
Speaker 14: ain't too many bucks. I don't. I don't. I haven't
Speaker 14: won in the stadium yet. We're getting ready to. But
Speaker 14: I don't see too many bucks Man, So that's okay
Speaker 14: with me. Well, I don't need any books, but I
Speaker 14: got a kick out and listening to Marvin on the
Speaker 14: h This was one of the few times I didn't
Speaker 14: listen to Dan and Dave. I listened to.
Speaker 24: I wanted to hear Marvin.
Speaker 14: I hadn't heard Marvin as an analyst on a football
Speaker 14: game before, and boy.
Speaker 6: Was he good.
Speaker 14: And two specific points that he brought up, David Culture
Speaker 14: or number one late in the game when the Bengals
Speaker 14: had one time because this was notorious for Zach Killer
Speaker 14: with these clock management crap. Yes he there was late
Speaker 14: in the game, and Marvin even said, why is he
Speaker 14: calling the time out? Just push push, push, get up
Speaker 14: to the ball, call a play, don't burn your time out.
Speaker 14: That pissed him off, excuse my language. And then the
Speaker 14: other thing was exactly what you just said about the
Speaker 14: dbs aren't turning their heads around. Now you could tell
Speaker 14: Marvin was irritated, Dave. So your comments on those two
Speaker 14: iss I brought up, sir plate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean I was always told that if
Speaker 4: you watch, if you're covering the receiver and I cover
Speaker 4: tight ends and running backs out the backfield, you can
Speaker 4: tell when the ball is coming because their eyes get
Speaker 4: really big, they get really big and wide. So as
Speaker 4: I'm running down the field, the guys just if he's
Speaker 4: just running down the field just to be running, I
Speaker 4: don't think that's happening. So when that when his eyes
Speaker 4: are getting wide checked, that means something's happening, something's coming it.
Speaker 2: He improves his speed and his speed gets a little
Speaker 2: bit faster.
Speaker 5: Yes, turn your head around.
Speaker 2: My corners.
Speaker 4: When I played Eric Thomas, Solomon Wilcox at safety, Louis
Speaker 4: Billups rest rest in peace. Yes, I played with Lewis Breton.
Speaker 4: I played with the Ray Horton. I played with some
Speaker 4: guys that when that ball was in the air, they
Speaker 4: knew it was coming. Yes, they turned their heads around,
Speaker 4: they found the foot ball, and then they make a play.
Speaker 5: For some reason.
Speaker 4: Today, I don't know if it's the NFL, but not
Speaker 4: too many corners turn their heads. They just keep running
Speaker 4: and pay attention to the receiver and then throw their hands.
Speaker 5: Up and knock the ball down.
Speaker 4: But ninety percent of the time it's a pass and
Speaker 4: inference call, and you can't win like that.
Speaker 14: So, Dave, what you're telling me is that you're really
Speaker 14: playing your position correctly. You're actually looking at this receiver's
Speaker 14: eyeballs and and you're paying that close of attention to
Speaker 14: him right as opposed to the quarterback or anybody else.
Speaker 2: You're paying attention.
Speaker 4: If I'm playing man and man on somebody, I'm paying
Speaker 4: attention to that guy throughout the whole entire route. I
Speaker 4: don't look back at the quarterback I don't look anywhere
Speaker 4: else when I'm looking at him the whole time. And
Speaker 4: when I'm watching him, he's going to tell me where
Speaker 4: I should be and what should be happening when his
Speaker 4: i get big, And that proves coming out when his
Speaker 4: eyes get big, man, and all of a sudden he
Speaker 4: goes from a four to seven to a four to three.
Speaker 5: That means I'm gonna put on my spe so I
Speaker 5: can catch him.
Speaker 2: Hey, Mike, Kevin Greens, you have a great time.
Speaker 3: Thanks at the ball game, and all the all the
Speaker 3: best to you, man, Thank you.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 3: We've got Mark and Jeff and Dick and Bryce and Jason.
Speaker 2: Man, we're gonna get to every one of your calls.
Speaker 3: Bengals fall today twenty six to twenty to fall to
Speaker 3: three and eight, and the New England Patriots improved to
Speaker 3: ten and two with their ninth straight win. And we're
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Speaker 3: And once again, there was only one offensive touchdown by
Speaker 3: our Cincinnati Bengals. Four plays, seventy one yards. It took
Speaker 3: up one minute and fifteen seconds. It happened at the
Speaker 3: four to forty mark of the fourth order, Joe Flacco
Speaker 3: to Mitchell Tinsley, pulling.
Speaker 2: The Bengals within twenty three to twenty. It wasn't enough.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you one thing, though, I thought.
Speaker 4: I thought Tinsley would be more involved not having Chase
Speaker 4: in the game, so I thought that he would be
Speaker 4: a big target because the boy catches everything that's thrown
Speaker 4: to him, you know, and for some reason there was
Speaker 4: only a couple of passes thrown to him. But I'm
Speaker 4: telling you, man, it's very frustrating because there's too much
Speaker 4: talent on this football team not to be with a
Speaker 4: better record than what we got right now.
Speaker 2: Totally agree, Totally agree.
Speaker 3: Let's go out to the phone, said, welcome in, my buddy,
Speaker 3: Bryce and Anderson.
Speaker 2: Bryce, what do you think today.
Speaker 26: The Bengals? Man, they just cannot get done today again,
Speaker 26: and they will need to make some adjustments with really fast,
Speaker 26: especially with the short week ahead against a hot rave
Speaker 26: And see when a five game win.
Speaker 2: Street, no doubt, man, the Ravens.
Speaker 3: They play three consecutive home games starting today with the
Speaker 3: New York Jets, so they're in position to really seize
Speaker 3: control of this division. And like I said a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks ago, the Bengals launch a new career. A
Speaker 3: star is born in Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2: Yes, how many players to the Bengals cause to blossom?
Speaker 5: Okay? And Caleb Williams right now, man is.
Speaker 2: Playing hot and it all started in Cincinnati. Unbelievable. Didn't
Speaker 2: we do that?
Speaker 4: They're like the name Brett Favare yi ago, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: remember being on that field nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 3: I remember when the Bengals knocked out Don Mkowski.
Speaker 4: Yep, Don Mkowski, and Don came the second year player
Speaker 4: from Southern Mississippi who got traded in the season from
Speaker 4: the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 25: Yep.
Speaker 3: And do you know that Mike Holmgren going into that
Speaker 3: game head coach of the Packers yeh and two.
Speaker 2: Dave Schuler was two and oher.
Speaker 3: And Mike Holmgren told us I didn't think I would
Speaker 3: win a game.
Speaker 2: They were zero to two.
Speaker 3: Carl Pickens runs back a punch for a touchdown, the
Speaker 3: Bengals knockout Don Mkowski.
Speaker 2: I remember him.
Speaker 5: I was on that field in.
Speaker 2: The final minute of the game.
Speaker 3: You knew who caught the winning touchdown pass from Brett
Speaker 3: Farv kid Trick Taylor.
Speaker 2: Yes, And the Green.
Speaker 4: Bay Packers upset the Cincinnati Bengals, and then Farv goes
Speaker 4: on to start like the next thousand games and then
Speaker 4: turn out to be the quarterback that he is a
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer based off of what we did for him.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. He owes the Bengals. He does time,
Speaker 3: big time anyway, Bryce, it's always good hearing from you, man,
Speaker 3: how are you?
Speaker 26: I'm great? And just the Bengals though, for defense was
Speaker 26: just good at the start, keeping up with his Patriots
Speaker 26: offense straight a NDP con tender, doing all these great things.
Speaker 26: And he just throw the pick six the Gino still
Speaker 26: he's been struggling tackling the guys recently, and you get that,
Speaker 26: and it's just so much momentum. And then Joe Blacko
Speaker 26: just throws an interception big six of his own. Yep,
Speaker 26: DeMarcus Jones in the past, never looks back.
Speaker 3: And both were thirty three yard returns. Is that an
Speaker 3: incredible And that's what number I wore, Number thirty three,
Speaker 3: David Fulcher, Bryce, You're exactly Ryce.
Speaker 2: They gotta make some changes, they gotta.
Speaker 3: Keep the defense has to keep improving, and then the
Speaker 3: offense get your weapons back.
Speaker 2: You miss Jamar Chase today?
Speaker 4: Yes, they big time, Yes they did. I think have
Speaker 4: made a difference today. He could have made a difference today, Oh,
Speaker 4: no doubt, because Flacco stood back there quite a few
Speaker 4: times and didn't know who he was gonna throw it to.
Speaker 4: Nobody's getting wide open, nobody's getting open. And I know
Speaker 4: number one is always open. Yes, that's what he told me.
Speaker 3: Well, Bryce, appreciate the call, Thank you very much. Do
Speaker 3: we have Chason in Williamstown?
Speaker 2: Okay? How about Mark and Florence our good buddy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how's it going?
Speaker 27: I gotta I gotta Dave Fultzer question, Yes, sir, Okay.
Speaker 27: The way I see the Bengals run their offense, you
Speaker 27: rarely see tight ends going across the middle of the field.
Speaker 27: As a dB, wouldn't that be easy to cover the
Speaker 27: Bengals received when they go out on their routes. If
Speaker 27: you know you don't have to worry about the middle
Speaker 27: of the field.
Speaker 4: Well, if you're if you're playing man and man and
Speaker 4: we call some man and man's have a one high safety,
Speaker 4: I mean he's in the middle of the field. Anybody
Speaker 4: throws the ball down the middle of the field, he
Speaker 4: can help either left or right. But for us, it
Speaker 4: just seemed like there's there's always somebody Why do.
Speaker 27: Yeah, I know this, I know this on I know
Speaker 27: this on offense. A lot of they passing plays or
Speaker 27: to the sideline. I hardly ever, sometimes you see the
Speaker 27: tight end down the middle of the field, but.
Speaker 9: You don't see it A lot and I just always.
Speaker 2: Wondered about that.
Speaker 14: Why why doesn't he use why doesn't.
Speaker 5: He use the tight ends more over the middle.
Speaker 6: Of the field.
Speaker 9: I think that would that would open up things.
Speaker 4: I think I think other teams cover that they've covered
Speaker 4: the middle of the field. Yeah, because when you look
Speaker 4: at the Bengals covering the middle of the field, there's
Speaker 4: nobody in the middle of the field. The linebackers are
Speaker 4: six yards deep or they're twenty yards deep, and the
Speaker 4: ball is thrown in front of them. So that's why
Speaker 4: you keep seeing all these wide these tight ends catching
Speaker 4: balls in the middle of the field. For us, our
Speaker 4: receivers and tight ends, when they go across the middle,
Speaker 4: they're being covered because the linebackers are dropping, the safeties
Speaker 4: are coming up and helping on the receivers that are
Speaker 4: coming across the middle.
Speaker 5: So your only.
Speaker 4: Best bet you've got is the sideline, So they're throwing
Speaker 4: the ball to the sideline. We just I don't understand
Speaker 4: how everybody else can throw the ball in the middle
Speaker 4: of the field against us, but we can't do that
Speaker 4: on them.
Speaker 3: And Mark, with that, we've reached the top of the
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Speaker 3: is your message to the Bengals with a three and
Speaker 3: eight record?
Speaker 2: Where do they go from here? You can only go up, yes,
Speaker 2: and you know what, you gotta go to work.
Speaker 4: It's just like anything that you have every day to
Speaker 4: somebody that's working.
Speaker 5: You have to go and do the job.
Speaker 3: If what's said is what's said is there are six
Speaker 3: games left and they still remain three games out of
Speaker 3: first place.
Speaker 4: You know, if they just if they went out, they
Speaker 4: finished nine and eight, nine and eight could probably get
Speaker 4: you a sniff to the playoffs. But you gotta you
Speaker 4: gotta win, You gotta win, and you gotta do it now.
Speaker 5: You can't wait later. You gotta do it now.
Speaker 4: And it doesn't get any easy, man, because Thanksgiving dinner,
Speaker 4: we're gonna be sitting there watching them play to the
Speaker 4: Ravens and it's gonna be a tough one.
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Speaker 3: Jeff there in Cincinnati?
Speaker 6: Yep, I'm here.
Speaker 13: How you get them done?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 25: Jeff Man, Hey, I'm I'm a Bengals fan for the
Speaker 25: last thirty years. I remember saying David play and it's
Speaker 25: Don and talking to him and you both. And I'm
Speaker 25: on my way back and just out home now from
Speaker 25: the Bengals game.
Speaker 13: Uh, believe it or not.
Speaker 25: As my first Bengals game, my daughter Doug bought me
Speaker 25: a ticket and we all win as about six or
Speaker 25: seven of the Flint and uh, but I've always been
Speaker 25: a Bengals fan all my.
Speaker 9: Life and it's honored.
Speaker 6: To talk to you guys.
Speaker 25: I've you know, I've been disappointed. I thought this was
Speaker 25: gonna be a great season, you know, and it's just
Speaker 25: like everybody else. And uh, I've seen a couple of
Speaker 25: bad calls on the Bengals. You know, you could have
Speaker 25: got you know, uh call on a couple of passes
Speaker 25: that you know, they were I mean, they were just
Speaker 25: I mean their their receivers just got killed by a
Speaker 25: couple of times and didn't get the call. But at
Speaker 25: the end of the game there but we stayed until
Speaker 25: the end, hoping, hoping for the best, you know, And.
Speaker 3: Uh, Jeff, how awesome was the goal line stand?
Speaker 2: That was just incredible.
Speaker 25: I mean, we couldn't lave it. I think they stopped
Speaker 25: him eight times on that goal. I stand on that
Speaker 25: end down there, and about eight times I think they
Speaker 25: stopped them on the goal line stand. And I said,
Speaker 25: my gud walcme work the defense man. You know, fifth year, what.
Speaker 2: Are they been? Was that was phenomenal? David?
Speaker 3: You probably yeah, is David sitting next to me here
Speaker 3: as you're watching them, are you thinking to yourself? You're
Speaker 3: you're out there, You're out there, You're in that scrum.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm thinking as a player, how do I get
Speaker 4: the ball back to the offense?
Speaker 5: How do we make plays?
Speaker 4: How do we stop them to give our offense a
Speaker 4: chance to go down and make something happen on the
Speaker 4: other end. And you know, the Bengals haven't done that
Speaker 4: enough this season, but today.
Speaker 5: The defense showed up and did some things.
Speaker 4: We just you know, I said it earlier in the show,
Speaker 4: it takes three phases of the game to be successful.
Speaker 4: We got field goal kicking, we got plenty and everything
Speaker 4: was great. Offensively, we were kind of sputtering defense. We
Speaker 4: sputtered a little bit, but we didn't have all three
Speaker 4: of them on the same page. And if we would
Speaker 4: have had all three of them on the same page, I.
Speaker 5: Think New England was about to get upset. I thought
Speaker 5: you got ten nothing nothing.
Speaker 25: I thought we had them and the Mangans got the interception.
Speaker 6: The beginning the game.
Speaker 13: I think it's first quarter.
Speaker 25: Oh my gosh, you haven't seen us. Uh you know,
Speaker 25: my daughter and my son and all my grandson, we
Speaker 25: all we was all jumping up and down, screaming and I,
Speaker 25: hey man, they got a chance ten nothing but you
Speaker 25: I enjoyed the game, and uh.
Speaker 17: Uh that spurred.
Speaker 25: Like I said, it was all my bucket left to
Speaker 25: go to the Bangles game. My daughters seen it, seen
Speaker 25: it getting done that chair safety and appreciate.
Speaker 6: Man. I've been around, been around alone.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, we go way back to protective We go
Speaker 2: way back to nineteen sixty eight, don't we.
Speaker 25: Oh yeah, man, I was born in sixty three. Actually yeah,
Speaker 25: well i'll be sixty I'll be sixty three and anyway,
Speaker 25: so fantastic.
Speaker 3: Well, sixty eight and sixty nine they played the Bengals
Speaker 3: were born. They played two years at Nippert Stadium and
Speaker 3: then on the River Front and now Paul Brown in
Speaker 3: pay Court Stadium.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate the call. Thank you very much.
Speaker 13: Thanks thanks for protecting my call.
Speaker 9: I'm great to talk about that.
Speaker 13: I didn't great talk to mister Paul Draft. I've got
Speaker 13: his autograph somewhere now there.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, outstanding, Hey, thank you? Do we have Anthony
Speaker 3: and fort Wayne Anthony?
Speaker 28: Yes, yes, I'm here, I'm here.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome to seven doing w good good.
Speaker 28: I just want to say I've got two points to
Speaker 28: make birth.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 22: My family's had.
Speaker 28: Season I get since the early nineteen seventies and it's
Speaker 28: long four hour drive home, and you guys help help
Speaker 28: me get get me through that.
Speaker 9: And so today was.
Speaker 28: Really about the most lethargic and unenergetic the fan base
Speaker 28: has been because I've been coming to games, and it
Speaker 28: just really goes to show the state of the franchise
Speaker 28: and the state of the city. The team's really yearning
Speaker 28: for a very successful team, and the fan base is
Speaker 28: just crippled over and over again just waiting for the
Speaker 28: shoot to drop on these one score games. And I
Speaker 28: think whenever we see how many one score games have
Speaker 28: been over the last couple of years. Is these how
Speaker 28: close is it can be to win? You know, we
Speaker 28: just really comes down to coaching, and those are kind
Speaker 28: of the points I wanted to make. And thanks for
Speaker 28: having me on.
Speaker 2: Hey, I appreciate the call. All it means all at me.
Speaker 3: When you're close, you're not You're not there yet, And
Speaker 3: an inch is a mile.
Speaker 4: David Poulcher in the National Football League, Oh, no, doubt man,
Speaker 4: And people it's hard to explain. You just you have
Speaker 4: to be there. Oh yeah, I mean and mean what
Speaker 4: I mean by be there, not in the stands watching it,
Speaker 4: But you have to be in the trenches. You have
Speaker 4: to be on the sideline. You have to be at practice.
Speaker 4: These guys practice their tails off. They're out there doing
Speaker 4: the busting the butt. They're looking at a lot of film,
Speaker 4: doing a lot of running, doing lifting weights. And then
Speaker 4: when you get out on the football field, you do
Speaker 4: that so you can release all the energy that you
Speaker 4: had during out that week. And when you get out there, man,
Speaker 4: and it doesn't go your way, you just feel like
Speaker 4: you're not worthy. You're not worthy. I mean, how in
Speaker 4: the world do I miss tackles? How do I drop
Speaker 4: a pass. How do I throw an interception? How do
Speaker 4: I give up you know, a ten point lead or
Speaker 4: a twenty point lead. It's just hard, man. I'm sitting
Speaker 4: there watching the brown just beat the Raiders, and you know,
Speaker 4: the Raiders are not a good football team right now.
Speaker 4: The Browns aren't a good but still you have to
Speaker 4: go out and perform week in and week out. And
Speaker 4: somehow something's missing with the Cincinnati Bengal team. They can't
Speaker 4: put all three phases together in one game to be successful.
Speaker 4: Moneymack kicking a sixty three yard field goal that probably
Speaker 4: should have went seventy three yards. He probably could have
Speaker 4: broke the record I think was ten yards up in
Speaker 4: the air. But yet he could come out there in
Speaker 4: another day. He could be next week and he's get
Speaker 4: a forty yard field goal and he misses it. So
Speaker 4: nobody goes out there to deliberately lose a game. But
Speaker 4: it's a constant reminder every week that if you don't
Speaker 4: show up, they're gonna get you. If you don't play well,
Speaker 4: you're gonna lose. And today we played well for a
Speaker 4: little bit, but not enough.
Speaker 3: At fans, there's only thirty two team that's it. Look
Speaker 3: at all the teams playing Division one, two, three, NAI eight,
Speaker 3: thousands of football players, and these are the chosen few.
Speaker 4: These are the elite of the elite.
Speaker 2: That's what's so awesome.
Speaker 4: You don't watch the best, yes, and you don't plan
Speaker 4: in the NFL just because there's nothing behind it, just because. No,
Speaker 4: you play in the NFL because you're good. All of
Speaker 4: them are good, not just a few of them. They're
Speaker 4: all good. In college. You've got some exceptional athletes in college,
Speaker 4: and not all of them are just like the same.
Speaker 2: But when you come to.
Speaker 4: The National Football League, it sometimes check everybody thinks, and
Speaker 4: it means the NFL means the National Football League.
Speaker 2: It means a.
Speaker 5: Lot like not for long.
Speaker 2: Correct, don't do your job.
Speaker 3: And that's why reaching free agency it takes four years.
Speaker 2: There's a whole bunch of guys on three year deals.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's not easy, man, I'm telling you, it's not easy.
Speaker 5: And people don't. People fail to realize.
Speaker 4: Someone asked me a while ago about was it fun
Speaker 4: playing the NFL. I said yes and no, and they said, well,
Speaker 4: are you serious It wasn't fun? I said no, it's
Speaker 4: a lot of hard work. If you practice all day
Speaker 4: and not all day.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: We've practiced for three hours every day and then those
Speaker 4: three hours, man, that is brutal. I have to hit
Speaker 4: a running back like James Brooks or Ikey Woods. I
Speaker 4: have to try to blitz alignment like Anthony Munnos. He
Speaker 4: won't let me touch Anthony. I mean, he won't let
Speaker 4: me touch Boomer.
Speaker 2: You know. I got to cover a Rodney Holman at
Speaker 2: the tight end, you know.
Speaker 4: And when James Brooks come through the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 4: he don't come through the line of scrimmage just to
Speaker 4: blow blow kisses at me.
Speaker 5: He's trying to run me over.
Speaker 2: But I get that. You get that day in and
Speaker 2: day out.
Speaker 4: Because on Sunday I get a chance to perform against
Speaker 4: another team and be the best that I could be
Speaker 4: against that team.
Speaker 2: Great stuff, David, He's David Fulcher.
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Speaker 3: He's David Fulcher. This is Chick Ludwig. We're talking Bengals football.
Speaker 3: They lose today twenty six to twenty two the New
Speaker 3: England Patriots. Let's stick with the.
Speaker 2: Phones here, We've got Mark and Milford. Mark, are you.
Speaker 24: There, Chick.
Speaker 29: I just want to remind the young kids in the
Speaker 29: audience that with three straight poor Pro Bowls, thirty one interceptions,
Speaker 29: a sack, and a fourth bumble in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 29: Folker didn't just fill a statu sheet. He treated it
Speaker 29: like a Bengal fan treats a greater Sunday the high
Speaker 29: I went back for seconds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the Chicks treats a skylight Chilli five ways, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 29: Yes, Hey, Polker, do you remember they used to call
Speaker 29: it the swat team, But you know, really you were
Speaker 29: doing crowd control on wide receivers is what.
Speaker 6: I saw going on there.
Speaker 13: But those were the days, you know what.
Speaker 29: Thing around, guys.
Speaker 5: We played a little bit of football back in the day. Man,
Speaker 5: We did.
Speaker 4: We played a little bit of football and we made
Speaker 4: things happen the team.
Speaker 29: You know, do you remember bouncing back from the EBB
Speaker 29: and coming back to the Super Bowl? Do you remember
Speaker 29: why you bounced back? It was leadership, I think, Bilbert
Speaker 29: and uh the leadership and all. And here's what we've
Speaker 29: got in this team. We do have Joe Burrow is
Speaker 29: a great turner round mindset of a leader.
Speaker 6: He never gives up.
Speaker 29: And you know, even with all the odds against him
Speaker 29: not having all the tools, I have hope and you know,
Speaker 29: Zach is a little bit of the beneficiary of a
Speaker 29: culture changing quarterback leg Joe. But when he comes back,
Speaker 29: I really do think anything can happen. But it takes
Speaker 29: leadership and a turnaround mindset.
Speaker 2: What do you think, David, Hey.
Speaker 5: You're right on it man. In nineteen eighty seven we
Speaker 5: had a strike year.
Speaker 4: We're all the scap SCAP players came in and played
Speaker 4: and then we were still on that strike year. So
Speaker 4: we when we after the strike was all, we came
Speaker 4: back and we wind up finishing like four and ten
Speaker 4: of forty eleven. But we had a team meeting, an
Speaker 4: indoor closed meeting amongst the players. No coaches, and the
Speaker 4: first guy that got up and started talking was Anthony Muno,
Speaker 4: and then it was Booma Sizing, and then it was
Speaker 4: Tim Cumry, and then David Fulser, then it was Chris
Speaker 4: collins Worth, and all of us said one thing.
Speaker 5: If everybody do their job, we could be successful.
Speaker 4: The following year, in nineteen eighty eight, we went to
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. Because I believe leadership, just like you said,
Speaker 4: leadership should come from upstairs, from the upstairs ownership down
Speaker 4: to the head coach, to the assistant coaches, and then
Speaker 4: to the players. But I always put it on the
Speaker 4: players because every time Dick Lebow asked me to do something,
Speaker 4: I had to do it. I couldn't blame it on
Speaker 4: the bowl when I missed the tackle, which I didn't
Speaker 4: miss too many of them, but it was my fault.
Speaker 4: It wasn't nobody else's fault, but my fault. And I
Speaker 4: had to look myself in the mirror. And this is
Speaker 4: what I would tell this football team if they were
Speaker 4: sitting right here in front of me. Look at yourself
Speaker 4: in the mirror, and that's the guy you should be
Speaker 4: mad at every time you do something wrong. If you
Speaker 4: do your job, and then the other ten guys on
Speaker 4: that field do their job, we're going to be successful.
Speaker 4: And no matter how bad this season is going and
Speaker 4: how bad it looks, you still have to do your job.
Speaker 4: I heard Marvin Lewis one time say to the team
Speaker 4: in the locker room, do your damn job.
Speaker 5: If you do your damn job, we're gonna be okay.
Speaker 4: And I think sometimes people forget, and I think when
Speaker 4: I'm watching some of these players, they're trying to do
Speaker 4: too much instead of just doing their job. Because if
Speaker 4: you ask me to to take the force on a
Speaker 4: on a on a fullback that's coming on the pitch
Speaker 4: a sweep to my side, I have to take out
Speaker 4: that fullback in order for my linebacker who's scraping the
Speaker 4: inside to make the play because I can't make the play.
Speaker 4: But when I try to make the play, what I'm
Speaker 4: doing is I'm taking myself out of the play and
Speaker 4: the other guy out of the play. And you can't
Speaker 4: win like that. Mark, great stuff, great stuff, Martin.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
Speaker 29: And I'm gonna tell Zack to let David open up
Speaker 29: with the next game.
Speaker 3: All right, guy, that show much do we have Jamie
Speaker 3: and Sharonville Jamie.
Speaker 11: Yes, yes, welcome, welcome, Hey, thank your first time caller.
Speaker 11: I just had a couple of questions, you know, watching
Speaker 11: the game today. I don't know, is it just me,
Speaker 11: but it looked like it looked at like New England
Speaker 11: didn't have that many better players that we had on
Speaker 11: our team. And I think a lot of it is
Speaker 11: it Zach Taylor play calling. I feel like we had
Speaker 11: better play calling to day on office, we would have
Speaker 11: won that game.
Speaker 4: Hey, I agree with you, man, because I'm telling you,
Speaker 4: at the beginning of that game, I knew that the
Speaker 4: quarterbacks of the Patriots, they've been talking about him in
Speaker 4: the MVP conversation. But the first two drives, I looked
Speaker 4: at them and I'm going, we could beat this team.
Speaker 4: They're not They're nothing, They're nothing special. But as you said,
Speaker 4: it looked like that we were. You ever heard that
Speaker 4: saying we were out coast or out out produced. I
Speaker 4: just feel like I feel like New England's play calling
Speaker 4: was a little bit better than our play calling. Their
Speaker 4: players was just as equal to ours, if not worse.
Speaker 4: They were making plays. We weren't making plays. But then
Speaker 4: when New England got there, you know, they got the
Speaker 4: they got everything in gear.
Speaker 5: Then all of a sudden, you start seeing glimpse of what.
Speaker 4: They what they were at nine and two, and I'm
Speaker 4: just thinking, we are three and seventeen, but we're playing
Speaker 4: against a nine to two team and we're out playing
Speaker 4: that team, but yet we were not successful in play
Speaker 4: calling or making plays.
Speaker 5: You're right, man, right on, You're right on it.
Speaker 11: Yeah, because I you know, I have one more question
Speaker 11: I get off here. I talked to what my guy
Speaker 11: worked because weet that hard Bengal fan, and uh, you know,
Speaker 11: people always saying, what's the Bengals culture, what's the what?
Speaker 14: Uh?
Speaker 11: You know, what's the.
Speaker 13: Culture and stuff?
Speaker 11: So I was I wish that you Parlomon, will David Folter,
Speaker 11: and Willie as if y'all could go down there and
Speaker 11: get on the bengalscount department and they can bring these
Speaker 11: players in here, because I know that would be a
Speaker 11: joy to see y'all down there. I know y'all down
Speaker 11: in that uh and that down there working for them.
Speaker 11: You know that would be we'd probably get the players
Speaker 11: in here we need in the draft.
Speaker 2: Thank you, j I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: It would be awesome, And I don't know if this happens,
Speaker 3: David to bring in different alumni to address the team.
Speaker 5: You know, the Bengals don't do that.
Speaker 4: And as a player, I'm not sure that's the best
Speaker 4: thing to do because you're going to bring in an
Speaker 4: older guy to come back and tell me, hey, man,
Speaker 4: you ain't playing right, or maybe you should do this.
Speaker 5: You know, some guys don't want to hear that.
Speaker 4: You know what they need to hear is they need
Speaker 4: a coaches telling them what you're doing is not good
Speaker 4: enough and if you don't do your job, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: bring somebody else in and take it over for you.
Speaker 4: But these guys, they make so much money that it
Speaker 4: doesn't phase them to hear that. So these guys are
Speaker 4: gonna do what they want to do because they make
Speaker 4: too much money. I mean, Zach Taylor on the fifty
Speaker 4: three man roster, Zach Taylor's probably payroll wise, he might
Speaker 4: be in the bottom three. So these guys make more
Speaker 4: money than Zach. So how does Zach Taylor get these
Speaker 4: guys to start.
Speaker 5: Playing good football?
Speaker 4: You gotta want it, man, because it's in here, It's
Speaker 4: in the heart. You don't show up for a paycheck.
Speaker 4: You show up for your teammates, you show up for
Speaker 4: your city. You practice and you play for your city.
Speaker 4: You're gonna get paid no matter what. Why not get
Speaker 4: maid Why not make that money worth this while by
Speaker 4: winning football games?
Speaker 3: Amen to that. If that makes stuff, it sure does. Hey,
Speaker 3: we appreciate the call. Appreciate all the loyal listeners and
Speaker 3: all the callers.
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Speaker 2: Tommy, how are you? Man? Hey, I'm doing okay. After
Speaker 2: a game like.
Speaker 30: That, I mean a lot to talk about it you
Speaker 30: kind of let you. David and I were kind of
Speaker 30: talking offline and we kind of match up on a
Speaker 30: lot of a lot of items. It's like, I want
Speaker 30: to see a football team out there. It's like crash
Speaker 30: crash dummies, get after right man. Let's let's essentially who's
Speaker 30: gonna be the physical team. That's who's the come in,
Speaker 30: not the finesse team. And so that's what I want
Speaker 30: to see. I saw a lot of energy from the
Speaker 30: defense today. They play with a lot of energy, and
Speaker 30: so they kept them in the game. You know, but uh,
Speaker 30: you know, I I'd like Zach's a play calling to
Speaker 30: be kind of handled by somebody else, to be delay.
Speaker 2: Frank, third and one, you pass?
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fine, But that tells me you're gonna go
Speaker 3: forward on fourth down thirteen to ten left in this game?
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? Fourth and one, they're out there,
Speaker 2: and a delay a game? Now you have to punt.
Speaker 2: How does that happen?
Speaker 30: Well, you don't have trust in your offensive line, I guess.
Speaker 30: Because third and one, fourth the one should be automatic.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yes, and and and in the NFL, every team
Speaker 4: should be able to get one yard. You should be
Speaker 4: able to get one yard where there's third and one,
Speaker 4: fourth and one, you should get one yard and somebody's
Speaker 4: gotta grab them kimonas and put push forward to get
Speaker 4: that first down.
Speaker 3: Now the bank were playing. They kept all three timeouts
Speaker 3: till late in the game. I'm there, like, get the
Speaker 3: first out, spike the ball right, see they did it
Speaker 3: like one time, I think spiking it.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 30: The amazing thing is that that game came down to
Speaker 30: the you know all he had.
Speaker 2: To do a score in the last you know, the last
Speaker 2: sixty seconds.
Speaker 30: Yes, that game was tight all the way and a
Speaker 30: number of miscues that the Bengals made, in my opinion,
Speaker 30: both on the field on the sideline, there were plenty
Speaker 30: of chances that we could have done something there make
Speaker 30: a difference, Yes, but no, I think it was an
Speaker 30: out coach. They were well disciplined, meaning you know their
Speaker 30: team and we're kind of like trying to figure it out,
Speaker 30: and uh in a lot of it's rookies. I don't
Speaker 30: I don't dispute that, but I'm watching the videos to Gather.
Speaker 30: Davis Gather had an interception today. You know the linebackers
Speaker 30: that played for the Indianapolis We got rid of him.
Speaker 30: I mean we're playing with two rookies, and I'm telling you,
Speaker 30: they ate Barnett up today, they ate Jax Hill Hill up.
Speaker 2: They looked for both of them. They look eating them up. Man.
Speaker 30: And if you're a tie, and if you played against
Speaker 30: the Bengals for the last twenty years, you would have
Speaker 30: been in the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 4: Because we could not cover ten. We can't cover them,
Speaker 4: and we don't drop deep enough. Our linebackers don't drop
Speaker 4: deep enough. Our safeties are too deep, and the bas's
Speaker 4: been thrown right in front of us.
Speaker 5: And then we got guys coming up. Instead of running
Speaker 5: through the ball.
Speaker 4: Carrier, we want to throw a shoulder and think we're
Speaker 4: gonna knock them down.
Speaker 2: That's pee wee football. You're absolutely right, NFL football.
Speaker 4: You have to I was told to put my face
Speaker 4: mask on his chest so that when I hit him,
Speaker 4: my face mask comes through his back.
Speaker 5: That's how I was told to play.
Speaker 4: I know that sounds kind of crazy, you know, no
Speaker 4: visible nobody getting thrown up and then but I used
Speaker 4: to take put it on your chest and knock him backwards.
Speaker 4: These guys want to grab and push them down.
Speaker 3: Well, Teqio Spikes told me he wants to see a
Speaker 3: helmet roll with.
Speaker 2: The head in it. That's what he talked about football.
Speaker 3: But Barrett Carter sixteen combined tackles, eight solo, eight assists,
Speaker 3: Gino Stone thirteen tackles, seven assists, six solo, Dimitrius Knight
Speaker 3: with eight tackles, Joseph Osai was six, Dax Hill with four.
Speaker 2: So, I mean those are interesting stats. I mean what's interesting?
Speaker 30: Are you tackling as you're chasing the guy behind you
Speaker 30: know he's getting behind you.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, how many tackles for lost?
Speaker 30: How many tackles on short I mean, nobody's and there
Speaker 30: was no pressure.
Speaker 2: I mean I get it. I mean we don't.
Speaker 30: Both of our are rushing guys are out right, so
Speaker 30: you can't put much pressure.
Speaker 2: On a quarterback hits.
Speaker 3: You know, only three quarterback hits one sack that came
Speaker 3: from Jayalen Davis on that on that safety blist, right.
Speaker 30: Yeah, I mean it's it's a tough situation. I mean,
Speaker 30: Reynolds is not in a great spot. I mean you
Speaker 30: look at who he has to ship out there. He
Speaker 30: can't play anybody different in the cornerback. He has no
Speaker 30: depth there. Yeah, and there's no depth at safety either.
Speaker 30: I mean, I thought Battle was gonna be a big
Speaker 30: player this year. But Battle is in the wrong position.
Speaker 30: He doesn't want to kind of kind of David to
Speaker 30: your point, he saw aggressive at the Lion's grimm. If
Speaker 30: you have a thumper, there's no thumper.
Speaker 5: On this tape, you know.
Speaker 30: And because it sets the tone, it sets the tone
Speaker 30: on defense, you know.
Speaker 5: And here's the thing to them.
Speaker 4: When I watched this football team, and I you know,
Speaker 4: people can can pick it to what they want to do.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: When I played, I had a linebacker by the name
Speaker 4: of Joe Kelly from the University of Washington from South
Speaker 4: central Los Angeles with me, and Joe Kelly would pull
Speaker 4: your teeth out. I knew the guy in front of me,
Speaker 4: Leo Barker, Joe Kelly, uh, Tim Crumride, Reggie Williams, all
Speaker 4: these guys up front, I knew them. Guys did not
Speaker 4: want me to make tackles in the secondary. Man, why
Speaker 4: why are you making all the tackles. I mean, I
Speaker 4: will come up to the line of Scrimma say hey,
Speaker 4: loo bo, can I get a little close to get
Speaker 4: in the box, and I want to I want to play.
Speaker 5: But them guys did not want me to make tackles.
Speaker 4: And and when you watch this football team, it's like,
Speaker 4: who is that guy.
Speaker 2: Who's the guy that's.
Speaker 4: Gonna say I'm gonna make all the tackles, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: make the play. It's almost like everybody is waiting for
Speaker 4: somebody else to make a play.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 30: Well, I think they had Logan Wilson up for a
Speaker 30: couple of years. He didn't make a dish, but they
Speaker 30: looked at him to kind of set the tone. Now
Speaker 30: you got two rookies his linebackers, and you've got you
Speaker 30: don't really have a stud across the front. Now, you
Speaker 30: really don't have a defensive standout, not one, not one.
Speaker 30: And to your point, I mean, nobody can kind of
Speaker 30: say let's get after it boys, you know, because you
Speaker 30: got to show it on the field now, because you've
Speaker 30: not earned the right to kind of step up and
Speaker 30: make that.
Speaker 4: And you know what us to add to that, though,
Speaker 4: is how many of the guys on that team are
Speaker 4: able to come up to you and say, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm putting my foot in your bike, you know, And
Speaker 4: I'm not putting it in there because I hate you,
Speaker 4: but you're not doing your job. Nobody does that. They
Speaker 4: stand around and they all want to watch. But then
Speaker 4: here's what happens to me. I like that gets me
Speaker 4: is that when they make a play, all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: they got the dancing on and they're down fourteen nothing,
Speaker 4: and the dude, you don't dance when you're losing, dance
Speaker 4: when you win it. It acts like you've been there.
Speaker 4: Paul Brown said that to us many many years ago.
Speaker 4: Acts like you've been there. As the Curtis scored a touchdown,
Speaker 4: he drops the ball. Tim McGee scored the touchdown. He
Speaker 4: flipped it over his shoulder. These guys don't touchdown down.
Speaker 2: They throw it up in the stand. They gotta do backflip.
Speaker 4: They gotta do all that because a it's a showcase,
Speaker 4: and it shouldn't be a showcase. It's supposed to be
Speaker 4: smash mouth beat the other guy up.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to hurt you, but I'm gonna hit
Speaker 4: you hard enough to let you know that thirty three
Speaker 4: is here all day. I Curtis liked to go over
Speaker 4: the shoulder, just dropped it over and over his shoulder.
Speaker 2: Don't say nothing.
Speaker 5: Ain't up there dancing, just dropping and keep on moving.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
Speaker 3: Well, let's review, good gentlemen, the guilty windows, window of
Speaker 3: opportunity brought to you by Guilkey Windows. To keep the
Speaker 3: quality windows is trusting the pros guilty windows. The window
Speaker 3: of opportunity came when Gino Stone got the interception, raced
Speaker 3: it in from thirty three yards out, and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden the peggals are up ten to nothing.
Speaker 2: What should have happened, David.
Speaker 4: Fulcher, That is when you put your foot on your throat.
Speaker 4: You put the foot on the throat and you just
Speaker 4: keep squeezing. They Because I'm telling you, I mayor that
Speaker 4: quarterback Drake. I'm telling you he he looked rattled earlier,
Speaker 4: that gear, he looked rattled, And all of a sudden
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, well, Cincinnati, you gonna let me come
Speaker 4: out out of this shadow, then I'm gonna get it.
Speaker 4: All of a sudden he started playing a little bit better.
Speaker 4: We should have put our foot of thro on their throat.
Speaker 4: We should have came after him and beat him up.
Speaker 4: We sat back and let him sit there. We didn't
Speaker 4: blitz him. We didn't put pressure on him. We tried
Speaker 4: to rush that four to put pressure on him in
Speaker 4: that four, didn't get there, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: now he becomes the Super Bowl quarterback of whatnot of
Speaker 4: the year.
Speaker 5: The key the.
Speaker 3: Quality windows is trusting the pros Kilkey windows. That that
Speaker 3: s the Kilkey windows, window of opportunity. And the Bengals
Speaker 3: really let it slip away.
Speaker 5: Yeah they did.
Speaker 30: And I thought they had energy coming out of you
Speaker 30: know the same yeah with you know when McPherson hits
Speaker 30: the big long field goal, I mean always sudden, man,
Speaker 30: you should be playing with the energy.
Speaker 2: And they came out in that third quarter it was
Speaker 2: like flat clap yeah, flat even flap set, even lap set.
Speaker 3: That is momentum right there to get that Fueld goal
Speaker 3: to pull with it seventeen.
Speaker 2: To third two.
Speaker 4: Is that flatness that coming out second half on the
Speaker 4: coach or that players, because when you come out a
Speaker 4: lot of time, you come out.
Speaker 5: Of halftime, you've been sitting there for ten twelve minutes and.
Speaker 2: We got the ball, then have the ball stiff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, you're little stiff and you're not like
Speaker 5: you were when you went in.
Speaker 4: Blood circulating, everything is flowing, but you got to come
Speaker 4: back out and get that.
Speaker 5: Blood going again.
Speaker 2: But we come out flat.
Speaker 4: And when you come out flat and they just punching
Speaker 4: and punching, you told New England, Hey, it's all the win,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 30: I think it depends on the kind of team you have,
Speaker 30: because I think there are some teams that don't need
Speaker 30: a coach to really kind of kick them in the butt,
Speaker 30: because these guys are professionals, like you say, right, and it's.
Speaker 2: Me against you. If you beat me, that makes me
Speaker 2: look bad. Yeah, I mean, you can't have that go on.
Speaker 30: But I think there's this team is a little bit
Speaker 30: like Doctor Jekyl, Mister or High. You don't know what
Speaker 30: you've got, and they're very like one mistake and they
Speaker 30: kind of break down. So you kind of have to
Speaker 30: kind of stay behind them and just kind of keep
Speaker 30: pushing it and they're waiting.
Speaker 4: It's almost like they're waiting for somebody else to make
Speaker 4: them pay.
Speaker 3: It's awesome having touchdown Tommy Stevens from Milford right here
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Speaker 3: to the New England Patriots on seven hundred wl W.
Speaker 30: I would agree, yeah, oh yeah.
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Speaker 3: We're joined by touchdown Tommy Stevens right here in Milford
Speaker 3: at the Wings and Rings. And I wanted to bring
Speaker 3: up a couple names here, guys. Chase Brown is really.
Speaker 2: Blossoming into a playmaker.
Speaker 3: Nineteen carries one hundred and seven yards today, five point
Speaker 3: six yards of carry a long game of twenty one
Speaker 3: and he also caught a couple passes for twenty three yards.
Speaker 3: So without Jamar Chase, they had to get creative. So
Speaker 3: it was great to see Micah Sicky get back.
Speaker 2: In the flow of things.
Speaker 3: Mitchell Tinsley two catches twenty nine yards.
Speaker 2: They needed to get him more involved.
Speaker 3: Andre Josebash four carries or four catches for sixty one yards.
Speaker 2: T Higgins five for thirty one before his injury. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so they really missed Jamar Chase bottom line.
Speaker 5: They mister mark Chase.
Speaker 4: But I tell you what, Chase Brown, I wish they
Speaker 4: had another running back that could give him a little
Speaker 4: bit of breather every now and then, because they're not.
Speaker 4: It's not giving it to him. Yeah, that's right down.
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you something, Chase Brown is a gamer.
Speaker 4: Chase Brown's a gamer, and I wish that line would
Speaker 4: block enough for him because this guy could be that
Speaker 4: one hundred yard back every game nineteen twenty carries a game.
Speaker 2: Chase Brown is for real.
Speaker 4: On that offense, I just I just don't see the
Speaker 4: offensive line pushing. It's almost like they stalemate. They all
Speaker 4: want to get to stand tall. Pass block and run
Speaker 4: block is the same thing from every offensive lineman that
Speaker 4: we got. They don't fire out, they don't go backwards
Speaker 4: on pass. They stand there and they catch and they
Speaker 4: hold and they try to bench press.
Speaker 5: And push people out.
Speaker 4: And them defensive linemen are strong, they're not moving. And
Speaker 4: I'm telling you today's that defensive line for New England.
Speaker 4: At one series they just fight out kicked the Bengals
Speaker 4: offensive line, but they push them all back three and out.
Speaker 5: They punt the ball We've got to be more physical.
Speaker 5: I think you said that.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, we're not physical enough on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2: A play here and a play there. But it's got to.
Speaker 4: Be continuance year out, game in game, pushing people and
Speaker 4: knocking people around. And if you get a fifteen yard
Speaker 4: penalty because somebody's talking crazy and you put your form
Speaker 4: in his throat, you know what.
Speaker 2: I'm an owner. I'll pay for that fine. But we
Speaker 2: don't do that. We don't.
Speaker 4: We want to catch the blows instead of delivering the blow.
Speaker 4: And you can't do that in the National Football leagues,
Speaker 4: especially not in this league.
Speaker 2: Let's go out to the phones. Do we have Bill
Speaker 2: in Florence?
Speaker 22: Yeah, I just want to say something really quick. First
Speaker 22: of all, kudos to McPherson. I mean, geez, hitting sixty
Speaker 22: three yards, yes, And here's the thing, Fellas, I think
Speaker 22: you should have got seventy yards. You want to load
Speaker 22: the truth. And nobody's talking about Joe Flacto and he's
Speaker 22: not a fifty sixty million dollar quarterback. And this guy's
Speaker 22: come in to our league, and I mean he's got
Speaker 22: a three to zero eight caliber arm and he's given
Speaker 22: everything he can possibly give to this team.
Speaker 3: So it was already a sixth game, already his sixth game.
Speaker 3: You're right, and uh, he's doing all he can do.
Speaker 3: I just wish he had to throw that interception because
Speaker 3: that was telegram.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 22: Just hey, that's part of the game and it happens.
Speaker 9: But this guy has come into this league.
Speaker 22: He's not making fifty sixty million dollars anymore, but they're
Speaker 22: forty year old. I mean, he's playing like. I'm so
Speaker 22: glad that if Joe Burrow gets back in there, that
Speaker 22: this is our backup quarterback. That's all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2: All right, eight, Bill appreciated you carry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you mentioned Evan McPherson wearing shoes for the
Speaker 3: Shoe List. Yeah, a huge, A great cause. Uh, I
Speaker 3: want fans to check that out. And that was on
Speaker 3: his uh Mike, you know, Mike my cost like please, yes, all.
Speaker 22: Right, Well, I mean we're donating me and my wife,
Speaker 22: and I'm just saying, he hit a sixty three. I
Speaker 22: think he can hit a seventy.
Speaker 2: Definitely.
Speaker 22: You're kidding me.
Speaker 2: All right, Phil, we got to run appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I want to get to some other callers. Andy is
Speaker 3: in Hawaii. Andy, are you there. Okay, how about Larry?
Speaker 3: How about Larry and Hamilton?
Speaker 13: Yes, I am Hi Larry.
Speaker 6: How you doing guys?
Speaker 13: And uh, David, you and I go back. Uh, I'm
Speaker 13: the Larry that's been to your house and have like
Speaker 13: five of your jerseys. You kind of stole a little
Speaker 13: bit of my thunder, David. When the offensive line are
Speaker 13: standing there upright and they're not leaning in, there's no
Speaker 13: way in the world they're going to defend. And on
Speaker 13: the defensive side, when a guy is wide open and
Speaker 13: we have two Bengals standing there next to each other
Speaker 13: and the other the offensive player is wide open, there's
Speaker 13: something wrong what you said earlier about you know, former
Speaker 13: player coaching. Come on, dude, I know you. I know
Speaker 13: the coaching that you do with inmates. Now do you
Speaker 13: know who I am?
Speaker 5: Of course I do.
Speaker 6: Larry, how you doing, man, I'm doing well.
Speaker 13: And I'll tell you what. You remind me so much
Speaker 13: of Kerry Combs and your power, your enthusiasm and everything else.
Speaker 6: It's electric.
Speaker 13: It moves other people in that same situation. At the
Speaker 13: end of the day, I'm reluctant to be critical of coaching,
Speaker 13: but I'm to the point now where you almost have
Speaker 13: to be. I've had situations with me and Robert Jackson
Speaker 13: and some kids that I was working with at Northwest
Speaker 13: High School, and I say, Robert Jackson, get these kids
Speaker 13: so repped up they couldn't even wait to go play again.
Speaker 13: The same with Tim McGee, and I know what you're
Speaker 13: bit made of. So to say that you probably couldn't
Speaker 13: add value or they whatever you, I would be tickled
Speaker 13: to death to know that you were going to go
Speaker 13: in that locker room and motivate people to run through
Speaker 13: fire with gasoline drawers on.
Speaker 4: I will tell you this, Larry, You're on it man.
Speaker 4: That stone, that's the stone man right there, Larry's stone.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you there. I think you know, as
Speaker 4: a former player, I don't I don't want to coach,
Speaker 4: you know. I think coaching takes a lot away from
Speaker 4: your family. You're always gone and all late nights. But
Speaker 4: you know, we know a little bit about football, man,
Speaker 4: and I just all I would would love to do
Speaker 4: is just sit down with the safeties one day and say,
Speaker 4: tell me what you see. I want to look at
Speaker 4: the film. All of us are gonna look at the
Speaker 4: same field. Tell me what you see, and then I
Speaker 4: want them to just tell me, because I still say it.
Speaker 4: When le Ball used to tell us that safety he says, listen,
Speaker 4: I don't want you running out of there, because if
Speaker 4: you run out of there and the ball is a run,
Speaker 4: you're gone. He used to tell us to shuffle and
Speaker 4: two shuffles. Two shuffle steps will tell you it's it
Speaker 4: a run or pass. If it's a run, on the
Speaker 4: third shuffle step, I'm coming to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2: If it's a pass. By third, I'm going back deep.
Speaker 2: These guys are running out of there and it's a
Speaker 2: running play, and I'm thinking, where are you going?
Speaker 4: Why are you guys going twenty yards deep when the
Speaker 4: ball is being ran and then when they're twenty.
Speaker 5: Yards deep on the past.
Speaker 4: That's why the tight ends are opening across the middle
Speaker 4: because there's no safety there.
Speaker 2: There's no safety there to stop that.
Speaker 4: When we obviously the NFL is trying to be safe
Speaker 4: on receivers coming across the middle getting hurt.
Speaker 2: But I had talked to Jamar Chase three weeks ago.
Speaker 4: You know, he told me I will run across the
Speaker 4: middle all day because I know the earths aren't gonna
Speaker 4: hit me. Because the NFL is gonna find him. Well, listen, man,
Speaker 4: let me tell you something. If you were playing my era,
Speaker 4: you come across the middle, we're gonna hit, You're gonna
Speaker 4: take your hand off. And these guys won't do it.
Speaker 4: They will not do it, man. And that's why I
Speaker 4: just feel like we are passive. We're not aggressive the
Speaker 4: other teams, and that's why they do what they do
Speaker 4: to us.
Speaker 13: It's because about the offensive the offensive line. When when
Speaker 13: when they're standing upright and they're not leaning in to
Speaker 13: that the defender coming across the line, they're not they're
Speaker 13: not ready to block that guy. They're standing upright. That's crazy.
Speaker 3: They call that catching. So much we've got, is it?
Speaker 3: Jacob in Cincinnati?
Speaker 9: Is there Jammy?
Speaker 2: Yes, sir?
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 9: That might be kind of a basic question.
Speaker 32: I probably google it or whatever, but I figure some
Speaker 32: people might have the same question. At a market like
Speaker 32: Guards and Cincinnati, where's like where are our main sources
Speaker 32: of revenue? And like how does that and pay to
Speaker 32: a big market team? And also I know it kind
Speaker 32: of comes and goes in waves that you build a team.
Speaker 9: I know the season's not over yet.
Speaker 32: But like kind of how many years do we kind
Speaker 32: of have with what we've got here, can you kind
Speaker 32: of paint the picture financially?
Speaker 5: I'm not sure on that one.
Speaker 2: Could you Gosh, I feel like an attorney because you
Speaker 2: rephrase the question how I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure.
Speaker 30: I think he's kind of like I mean, I think
Speaker 30: there's two when you when you compare teams. He's trying
Speaker 30: to see the money that we make, mean the Bengals,
Speaker 30: how does that compare with other teams? And so obviously
Speaker 30: there's a cap that all teams play undres, right, and
Speaker 30: so we know where you know, you're paying Jamar, you're
Speaker 30: paying Higgins, you're paying that's one hundred and fifty million
Speaker 30: dollars there, and I think that I think the payroll
Speaker 30: is about two fifty. So you've got one hundred million
Speaker 30: left for the fifty other players right now. The question
Speaker 30: I would ask is, you know where does the Bengals
Speaker 30: get their money as a franchise to pay for scouts,
Speaker 30: to pay for you know, all those extra things that
Speaker 30: really make a difference. Maybe maybe the doctors they have there,
Speaker 30: the staff that you know, all those other pieces.
Speaker 2: Now, I don't know if that comes from tickets.
Speaker 3: That's why ticket prices are going up pay corps.
Speaker 4: Pay Corps gave them a right an eight failure just
Speaker 4: to have their name on it, so that money pays
Speaker 4: for salaries as well.
Speaker 30: But compared to like San Francisco, or compared to big,
Speaker 30: big market accounts, I mean, we probably get less, but
Speaker 30: I don't think we're spending nearly as much.
Speaker 2: I think the Browns are making a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Yes they are.
Speaker 30: They'll make even more money they sell the team because
Speaker 30: they bought it. I think for thirty million, I think
Speaker 30: it's worth what four billion? Yeah, I mean I'd like
Speaker 30: to have that return, you know, and so But to
Speaker 30: your point, I think the Bengals don't make as much.
Speaker 30: I mean, there's Jersey sales, and some of that is
Speaker 30: split across all the teams, but there is some some
Speaker 30: of that revenue is kept by the by the home
Speaker 30: team and.
Speaker 4: In the TV the TV spots that everybody's getting you gotta,
Speaker 4: you gotta.
Speaker 5: Not what's his name? The oh, I forgot about the
Speaker 5: market that fast?
Speaker 4: The the commissioner, the commissioners. Yeah, yeah, Richard Dale's making
Speaker 4: sixty five million dollars a year to get all these
Speaker 4: us extra incentives for the team's plan. Overseas and whatnot.
Speaker 4: So the teams aren't making some money, but I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think the Bengals is making as much as
Speaker 4: the Big and.
Speaker 2: Some of the other one. We'll continue that thought. We've
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Speaker 3: twenty loss by the Bengals today drop in Cincinnati to
Speaker 3: three and eight. In the New England Patriots improved to
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Speaker 3: it was a rough day really for both teams and
Speaker 3: for the Bengals. Marco Wilson, a cornerback, goes out with
Speaker 3: a hamstring injury. Gosh, even Joe Flacco had a finger
Speaker 3: injury that forced Jake Browning to come in for a play,
Speaker 3: completed a pass. He was done because Flacco came back on.
Speaker 3: But TAJH Brooks is out with a concussion and a
Speaker 3: shoulder injury by Andre Joseavash And at one point in
Speaker 3: this game, the Bengals only had two healthy wide receivers
Speaker 3: in Charlie Jones and Mitchell Tinsley and of course t Higgins.
Speaker 3: You could hear the crowd yelling for Tea. He banged
Speaker 3: his head violently on the on the turf and was
Speaker 3: he kind of knocked out a little bit knocked out
Speaker 3: concussion And uh man, it's gonna be tough for him
Speaker 3: to come back and play on Thursday night with the
Speaker 3: Bengals face the Baltimore Ravens at M ANDT Backs Stadium
Speaker 3: on Thursday.
Speaker 4: The thing I can think, the only thing I can
Speaker 4: think of on this concussion is is they're gonna probably
Speaker 4: give him a test in a couple of days and
Speaker 4: see what that baseline. But when they go inside the
Speaker 4: blue tint and the training camp, they these guys get there,
Speaker 4: they get concussion protocol testing, blah blah blah, lights and whatnot.
Speaker 4: And when he goes in that tent, they put that
Speaker 4: same test up to see how reaction and if the
Speaker 4: reactions aren't the same then it was when training camp happened,
Speaker 4: then they're gonna he probably won't be playing on Thursday.
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Speaker 3: from here?
Speaker 22: Now?
Speaker 3: David Foulcher on a short work week, man with a
Speaker 3: three and eight record, having to play really a team
Speaker 3: now that's tied with Pittsburgh at six and five.
Speaker 4: With a winning streak going. Now, Well, when Baltimore ravens,
Speaker 4: when you have a short week, you don't have a
Speaker 4: day off. So like tomorrow, they're gonna be doing installation
Speaker 4: for Baltimore and practice is probably gonna be a little
Speaker 4: bit light, but there's no rests, so there's no day off.
Speaker 4: Normally you get Tuesday off when you play on a Sunday. Well,
Speaker 4: Monday is definitely gonna be like Wednesday. So tomorrow they're
Speaker 4: gonna practice tomorrow with soreness, with pain, with whatever's going on,
Speaker 4: and they got to get themselves ready for Thursdays.
Speaker 5: So there's not a lot of.
Speaker 2: Time for people who are injured.
Speaker 4: You know, T Higgins was if this was a Sunday
Speaker 4: game coming up, t would have Monday, Tuesday, we got
Speaker 4: automatic off. Wednesday is installation day. He could be bread,
Speaker 4: he could be ready to play on Sunday. I don't
Speaker 4: know what's gonna happen this week. But once again, it's
Speaker 4: when you got to play a short week. Man, there's
Speaker 4: no time to sit back and think about anything because
Speaker 4: you're finna play the Ravens, and the Ravens are look
Speaker 4: like they've turned the corner and getting themselves ready to play.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll see if Joe is back on Thursday night,
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving night, and Jamaar Chase after a one game suspension.
Speaker 3: Hopefully he comes back and he can be Jamar Chase.
Speaker 30: I mean that's a big, big I'm kind of mixed
Speaker 30: on this whole Burrow thing on Thursday. You know, I'm
Speaker 30: really you know, like I won him for the next
Speaker 30: ten years, right, and I just don't want to have
Speaker 30: him showing up on Thursday and having another injury. I mean,
Speaker 30: is he one hundred percent? I mean they need to
Speaker 30: be absolutely sure about that. And plus you're going into
Speaker 30: a hostile environment. I mean, I'll tell you one thing. Baltimore,
Speaker 30: like Pittsburgh and David, you and I talked about it.
Speaker 30: They have definition. They know what their defense is and
Speaker 30: they draft people that fit that definition. The Bengals defense
Speaker 30: doesn't have a definition, and it hasn't for a long time.
Speaker 2: You guys, were hitters there.
Speaker 30: We haven't had that kind of definition, so they haven't
Speaker 30: really figured out who and what they want to be.
Speaker 4: You know, the Pittsburg Steelers in the Baltimore Ravens. When
Speaker 4: a player leaves, when they recruit, they try to find
Speaker 4: that same guy wherever college he's at.
Speaker 5: I remember when and Oh.
Speaker 4: Harrison linebacker linman James Harrison for the Pittsburgh Steelers. When Harrison,
Speaker 4: before Harrison got there, there was another d lineman that
Speaker 4: Harrison played just alike. So when they brought Harrison in
Speaker 4: the only difference was the name. The attitude and the
Speaker 4: aggressiveness was still there, was just a different name.
Speaker 2: Well, then they do that all the time. Levon Kirkland.
Speaker 3: Yes, they like hit him for a year or two
Speaker 3: and then they spring him on on you because.
Speaker 4: Kirkland was just like the guy that was playing in
Speaker 4: front of him. So all they missed was a different name,
Speaker 4: but the same attitude. And you don't have that attitude
Speaker 4: and an identity because we don't have an identity.
Speaker 5: Our identity is draft the player, bring him in here.
Speaker 4: Well, the guy that played that position four before was
Speaker 4: a four or five guy that knocked somebody's telling all, well,
Speaker 4: this guy's a four to seven and he's a little passive. Well,
Speaker 4: that's not the same aggressive guy that we're looking for.
Speaker 4: We're scouting. Going back to that scouting apartment when when
Speaker 4: you scout, when you replace a player, you need to
Speaker 4: replace that player with the same mode of a player
Speaker 4: that played like this. And that's what that's why Pittsburgh
Speaker 4: is so successful in Baltimore, so successful.
Speaker 3: Joey Porter, Levon Kirkland, think about those guys, James Harrison, think.
Speaker 2: About all of us. They're all cut from the same cloth.
Speaker 30: They match what Pittsburgh wants to do, you know, and
Speaker 30: so to you could get a guy that's an inch
Speaker 30: or too shorter, but he's the guy you want. But
Speaker 30: he doesn't make a big difference. If the guy's taking your.
Speaker 4: Head, if he does exactly what that guy that we
Speaker 4: retired that played in that position, if he does the
Speaker 4: same exact thing, we don't have to change nothing. Our
Speaker 4: defense is going to stay the same. It's just a
Speaker 4: different number and a different sized guy.
Speaker 30: We're not changing our defense. We're just essentially putting players
Speaker 30: in if they can play, that's it.
Speaker 3: And do we still have Chris in Cincinnati on the
Speaker 3: line okay, and how about Don in Newport?
Speaker 2: Is he still with us? Okay? Uh?
Speaker 3: Seven nine seven thousand, one eight hundred the big one. Well,
Speaker 3: let's check on Cincinnati's defensive secondary coverage.
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Speaker 3: for over twenty years. Well, the secondary man got off
Speaker 3: to a great start with you know, Stone in a
Speaker 3: thirty three yard.
Speaker 2: Pick six and at ten to h in lead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that I was when they were up ten nothing,
Speaker 4: I said, We're gonna run New England right out of here.
Speaker 4: That's what I felt, were gonna run them out here
Speaker 4: because the defense is still mating right now making plays,
Speaker 4: and I'm thinking, okay, so let's get the offense to
Speaker 4: do what they've been doing the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 4: scoring some points. We got a field goal kick, gonna
Speaker 4: get kicks and field goals and all of the like, okay,
Speaker 4: the air just went out of the sale.
Speaker 5: The aggressive this.
Speaker 4: Then the offense slowed down, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: we get a punter who's who's leading the leader running
Speaker 4: and he shanks one forty thirty five yards and I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: he hadn't done that in months, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: you could see win come out of the sale. And
Speaker 4: now New England says, oh, if you're gonna let us
Speaker 4: hang around, we're gonna bite you.
Speaker 5: And they bid us right.
Speaker 2: And they had three offensive line to go down.
Speaker 3: Yes they were doing with backup playing backup side the
Speaker 3: west side of their offensive line, but to stop them
Speaker 3: on the.
Speaker 4: Goal line with ten plays and that one stretch it
Speaker 4: was seven at the right, the seven plays inside of
Speaker 4: ten yard.
Speaker 3: That was after the two pass interference penalties on Dak's hill.
Speaker 4: And our and our defense did that. They got on
Speaker 4: the goal line. First thing I thought about, well, oh
Speaker 4: it's another touchdown. They stepped up and made plays, and
Speaker 4: you say to yourself, if we could do that, we
Speaker 4: got a shot.
Speaker 2: And sure enough, dude, I knew.
Speaker 5: We had a shot.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: There was no way at first when I saw that
Speaker 4: game the game started. When I looked at statistics and records,
Speaker 4: New Eng's gonna blow us right out of our stadium.
Speaker 4: We're up ten to nothing and we're feeling good, and
Speaker 4: all of a sudd it was like, oh, we're in
Speaker 4: uncharted territory. We can't we can't be aggressive. We can't
Speaker 4: do this because that's not us. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: New England says, oh, if you're gonna give it to him,
Speaker 4: I don't take it from you.
Speaker 3: And then the secondary, you know, allows gosh, the tight
Speaker 3: ends to Hooper and uh, gosh.
Speaker 2: How does the tight end get wild?
Speaker 5: Od?
Speaker 2: It was nobody there.
Speaker 4: There was no I mean when I say nobody there,
Speaker 4: everybody was on this side of the field. And he's
Speaker 4: the only one over there. And that that that can't happen.
Speaker 4: And Hunter Henry on a wide can coverage. Hunter Henry
Speaker 4: with the twenty eight yard.
Speaker 3: Touchdown, seven receptions, one hundred and fifteen yards, Austin Hooper
Speaker 3: three catches, nine yards.
Speaker 2: Man, Just how does the titand have one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifteen yards receiving?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 2: Just think like four in a row? I think too,
Speaker 2: I mean a.
Speaker 5: Deep cross the middle twenty five thirty yards.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 30: I mean, you know, like I said, it's I think
Speaker 30: I think some teams scout us better than we scout
Speaker 30: the other teams, because you know, they played essentially to
Speaker 30: our weaknesses and threw them right where I mean where
Speaker 30: they had to and unfortunately we didn't have enough answers.
Speaker 4: You know, I saw this in the game, tim if
Speaker 4: you guys saw this in the game. So New England
Speaker 4: is throwing the football, throwing the football, Bake throws interception
Speaker 4: for a testdown. All of a sudden, New England lines
Speaker 4: up with two in the backfield and they running ball. Yes,
Speaker 4: and Bengals are struggling against a running game. So New
Speaker 4: England says, we're not gonna throw the ball for the
Speaker 4: next eight plays. And they ran the football, run it down,
Speaker 4: out through, run it down our throat. We got tired,
Speaker 4: tight ends open because now the Bengals are looking for
Speaker 4: a run. So that that tells me that somebody is
Speaker 4: paying attention upstairs, looking down and saying, hey, listen.
Speaker 5: Don't throw the ball no more.
Speaker 4: Listen running football because they struggle with running the foot
Speaker 4: run defense.
Speaker 5: And if we run the football, running.
Speaker 4: Football on him, now we're gonna get aggressive and boom,
Speaker 4: tight ends wide open for a touchdown.
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Speaker 3: Let's go out to the phones. Scott is in the
Speaker 3: great state of Illinois. Scott, what's happening?
Speaker 2: Hello?
Speaker 33: Thank you for taking my call, hey, and thank you
Speaker 33: for your support of Ken Anderson to be in the
Speaker 33: Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6: He deserves to be there, so keep it up, please.
Speaker 3: A man, I was on the Pro Football Hall of
Speaker 3: Fame selection committee for ten years, pushing Isaac Curtis, David Folter,
Speaker 3: so many guys.
Speaker 6: I know you were, and I appreciate that. We just don't.
Speaker 33: The Bengals just don't seem to get the respect. I
Speaker 33: just I'm a lifelong Bengals fan. I was born in Cincinnati,
Speaker 33: but my folks were from Chicago, moved back to Chicagoans ten.
Speaker 6: I go to the games. I buy their apparel. You
Speaker 6: guys mentioned earlier. I think our drafting is just terrible.
Speaker 33: I mean, you look back at the offensive lineman we
Speaker 33: drafted Billy Price, uh Cedric Oba, the way he Eric
Speaker 33: Fisher was it Eric Fisherman.
Speaker 9: I I just think that, I, you.
Speaker 33: Know, we I don't want to give Duke Coven credit,
Speaker 33: Jake Fisher.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry. I don't want to give Toven credit for.
Speaker 33: Drafting Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase because we had terrible
Speaker 33: teams and there are no brainers. I I just I
Speaker 33: just don't know where this team's going. I'm frustrated. I've
Speaker 33: been to two games down there already this year.
Speaker 6: Do you think there'll be any changes?
Speaker 3: Well, the Brown family cannot be happy now. A Marius
Speaker 3: Mims is an absolute stud. We love him. It's the
Speaker 3: right offense now.
Speaker 2: Shamar Stewart is a different story. That was to me.
Speaker 30: It was reach uh agreed, Yeah, I mean they draft
Speaker 30: I think they're drafting by PFF for looking at other publications.
Speaker 30: I mean he had the essentials right, I mean he
Speaker 30: had the size, he had to speed.
Speaker 2: He didn't have the production. That's exactly right.
Speaker 30: Guess what the production now either. And he can't stay healthy.
Speaker 30: So I don't care how good you are. You can't
Speaker 30: stay healthy, You're not You're not a team player.
Speaker 2: For he should be, he should be Miles Garrett and
Speaker 2: he's not.
Speaker 4: And even Miles I mean not not Miles Garrett, but
Speaker 4: are Miles Miles Murphy. Miles Miles Miles Murphy. I mean
Speaker 4: that is a mountain of a man. But he doesn't
Speaker 4: do anything. I mean he's a number one pick and
Speaker 4: he's still trying to find his way on the field.
Speaker 4: And for me, I'm going, if you're going to invest
Speaker 4: time and that kind of money on the guy, that
Speaker 4: guy has got a me and and and let's say
Speaker 4: that there's a twelve play drive. In that twelve play drive,
Speaker 4: he's got to be somewhere in five and six of
Speaker 4: those running plays coming at him to make a play.
Speaker 5: And we're not getting that. We're not getting that produced.
Speaker 3: He's improving as a run defender, but the sacks are
Speaker 3: not there.
Speaker 2: But to the callers point, I mean, are there.
Speaker 30: We're not going to be able to sign many players
Speaker 30: anyways because we're we've got Higgins and Jamar So you've
Speaker 30: got to hit every draft.
Speaker 2: You got a hit pick.
Speaker 30: And so to your point, and David and I talked
Speaker 30: about this offline, they're they're drafting group is the smallest
Speaker 30: I think in the NFL, I mean by far, and
Speaker 30: the coaches have to go out and scout. I think
Speaker 30: they have like three or four scouts. You've got to
Speaker 30: build balk that up because it's just like the Cincinnati Reds.
Speaker 30: You're a small team, small market team. You've got to
Speaker 30: hit on your draft. If you don't, you're not gonna
Speaker 30: be signing to other people, you big players.
Speaker 5: You're right, You're right, man.
Speaker 4: That makes one hundred percent true because that when you
Speaker 4: send your coaching staff out to recruit and and scout, those.
Speaker 5: Guys are coaches.
Speaker 4: They're supposed to be coaching players. They shouldn't be going
Speaker 4: out looking for players to be on their team. You
Speaker 4: have your scouting department is as a handful of guys,
Speaker 4: guys that we don't know.
Speaker 5: Duke Tobin is running all that.
Speaker 4: But five guys compared to twenty five and thirty from
Speaker 4: other teams, you're not gonna win them. Five guys can
Speaker 4: only be in five places at one time. You got
Speaker 4: thirty guys from Baltimore that are over the cities looking
Speaker 4: at these these players. They're bringing in high quality players
Speaker 4: when we don't get this because we're all picking from
Speaker 4: the same group of kids every year from college. So
Speaker 4: how are these other kids doing so well from other
Speaker 4: teams in ours? Not because we're picking the wrong guys.
Speaker 4: I won't say they're picking the wrong guys, but we're
Speaker 4: just picking guys that aren't making the grade that we want.
Speaker 4: That we want to see that other teams are getting.
Speaker 2: Enough of them. You know, you get a Chase Brown.
Speaker 2: What in the fourth round?
Speaker 3: You know there are oh yeah, there are strong gold
Speaker 3: on that pick that they did.
Speaker 4: Yes, just not enough. Do we have John in Cedarville?
Speaker 14: Hello, Yes, this call will be recorded.
Speaker 3: It will appreciate the call. Uh yeah, Uh. We're winding
Speaker 3: down here. We've got about three minutes left. And as
Speaker 3: all Bengals fans are frustrated right now, they're angry, they're
Speaker 3: upset three and eight. But to me, I mean, there's
Speaker 3: there's hope here with Joe Burrow coming back. He's got
Speaker 3: to come back Thursday night, Jamar Chase is coming back.
Speaker 3: Let's give the Baltimore Ravens all they can handle on
Speaker 3: Thursday night.
Speaker 5: Thursday night is.
Speaker 4: Going to really define and see where this team it
Speaker 4: really is, whether whether this team is going to win
Speaker 4: the next eight games, seven games, whatever it is. I
Speaker 4: think it's gonna determine on what this team is going
Speaker 4: to look like in the future, because you know, guys
Speaker 4: are going to be freezings after this. There's gonna be
Speaker 4: some players that are you know, contracts may not be renewed,
Speaker 4: and you're you're fighting for a job, you're fighting for
Speaker 4: a position to be on this team. So this is
Speaker 4: the best position a football player for the Cinati Bengals
Speaker 4: could be in because it's going to show whether you're
Speaker 4: going to be here or not come Thursday. And what
Speaker 4: what a what a better team to play against to
Speaker 4: see what you got in the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 2: And that's what's incredible.
Speaker 3: They are now tied with the Pittsburgh Steelers atop the
Speaker 3: AFC North at six and five.
Speaker 2: The Bengals are three and eight at.
Speaker 3: Four straight losses and you're only three You're three games
Speaker 3: out of first place with six to go. It's it's
Speaker 3: it's an insurmountable mountain in the Clyde.
Speaker 4: And the Baltimore Ravens and the Pittsburgh teams haven't played yet.
Speaker 5: I don't think, No, they haven't. They still got to
Speaker 5: play each other, yes.
Speaker 4: So we those two teams are going to beat each
Speaker 4: other up, yes, and then they still got to play
Speaker 4: some other teams in the AFC. So if the Bengals
Speaker 4: and just get on, who knows what can happen. I
Speaker 4: only think that one team's gonna come out of this
Speaker 4: division for the playoffs, correct, and that's gonna be the
Speaker 4: division winner. So you know, being out three games, it
Speaker 4: could be two next week. And then Pittsburgh got to
Speaker 4: play Houston. I mean Pistburg got to play Baltimore twice. Yes,
Speaker 4: before you know it, the Bengals could be if they're
Speaker 4: winning right behind, somebody would one or two games in
Speaker 4: front of behind that team.
Speaker 2: Well, it's been an awful lot of fun here tonight.
Speaker 2: This was good man. Many thanks to Touchdown Tommy for T.
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