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Speaker 1: Obviously it's uh, you know, it's frustrating.

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Speaker 2: Dot com One minute and fifty seven seconds past three

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Speaker 2: o'clock Central daylight time, Welcome back. It is a Monday

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Speaker 2: day after edition of the Bumper to Bumper program on

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Speaker 2: a rather dark, dank, and wet Monday afternoon here in

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Speaker 2: the twin cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Barrero. I am the ring.

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Speaker 2: Master over this particular circus we occasionally call the Afternoon

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Speaker 2: Ardvark Guards. He's the producer of the show, sideline reporter

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Speaker 2: for the suddenly celebate what's the word I'm looking for here? Celebratory,

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Speaker 2: dominant but apparently disrespected.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, golden golfers. We'll get to that later.

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Speaker 2: Believe me, there's plenty to get to today between now

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Speaker 2: and six.

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Speaker 1: You tell me. We're at six o'clock this evening.

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Speaker 2: We've got Wild Rangers from New York coming up tonight

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Speaker 2: at says is that a regular season game? I think

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Speaker 2: it's a regular season game.

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Speaker 1: Do the Wild know that yet? On this road trip

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a choppy road trip.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, usually Louis good luck hadn't been good

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Speaker 2: luck for them so far. Although apparently we were owed

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Speaker 2: a moral victory. We played a lot better in the

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Speaker 2: second game than we did in the first game, where

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Speaker 2: we were tearing each other to shreds. This game we

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Speaker 2: didn't get what we deserved. Problem with for Louie when

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Speaker 2: he's calling the games is he can't be superstitious about

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Speaker 2: where he's standing, right Louie, I doubt he does it

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Speaker 2: for regular season games, Drie. You were with him in

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Speaker 2: Kuwait when he kept going in and out of the hallway, Right,

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Speaker 2: doesn't he have like lucky spots and if things are

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Speaker 2: tends to yeah, he'll he'll find a way, he'll invent

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Speaker 2: like a plastic coffee mug instead or styrofoam coffee cup

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Speaker 2: and put the diet coke in there. He he invents

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Speaker 2: stuff that most people would say have nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with luck, but he feels like that's how he invents it,

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Speaker 2: but he can't do it when he's doing the game.

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Speaker 2: He can't move, he can't do anything different. Well, he

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Speaker 2: can move between periods. I guess that's true and that

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Speaker 2: and I'm sure he does that too. Where he goes

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Speaker 2: walking around the garden. There's two entrances to the to

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Speaker 2: the press box restroom. I'm going to take the other

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Speaker 2: entrance and go out the other way. Whatever the case

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Speaker 2: may be, refresh my memory. He's survived nearly drowning, he

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Speaker 2: survived an airplane, airplane crash at least one. Was there

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Speaker 2: something else? Because I feel like he's been pretty lucky.

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Speaker 2: I feel like if you're on an airplane, that's the

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Speaker 2: way you want to be on with There may have

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Speaker 2: definitely been two. As you say, we are delighted her

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Speaker 2: along for the ride today, Bradshawn, Brian cafe and text

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Speaker 1: Six four six, eight six.

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Speaker 2: We've got several outstanding vikings talking points. We have a

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Speaker 2: visit with Ben Lieber schedule for four forty seven. I

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Speaker 2: don't think Adam Field is going to join us today.

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Speaker 2: Because it's a short week, we're not even sure we're

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Speaker 2: and that's the where the elixir, the magic elixir comes in.

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Speaker 2: Are we about for the second consecutive week to be

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Speaker 2: another good teams in the case the Eagles obviously great

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Speaker 1: But something's different. This time. The QB looks.

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Speaker 2: we play Thursday? We play the Los Angeles Chargers of Anaheim.

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Speaker 2: Chargers just got destroyed at home by the hottest team

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Speaker 2: struggling You want to talk about a team that's a mess, Yeah, Miami.

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Speaker 2: the same way the Eagles now can look back on it.

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Speaker 2: This is their make good opportunity. We don't want to

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Speaker 2: And in this case, the Chargers of these can say, well,

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Speaker 2: when this season began, making other good teams feel like,

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Speaker 1: We even bother to practice in between? What are the

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Speaker 1: That we have beaten?

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Speaker 2: And I don't know there are you know, not everybody

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Speaker 2: I bring it up because last year we faced Jared

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Speaker 2: during sermons yesterday that part of my curiosity about this

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Speaker 2: I mean not to apologize for it, but that's who

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: In fact, they were so happy with jam Turning ended

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Speaker 1: You call him Joe Cool. Oh he's been called that

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Speaker 1: Get it, I do. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: three wins. We beat Caleb, we beat Jake, and we

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Speaker 1: I want to see how.

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Speaker 2: We do against a good quarterback who hasn't been playing

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Speaker 1: Such a good running game. But a guy who knows

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Speaker 2: The Super Bowl this last time and won it. And

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Speaker 2: I know we didn't give up forty points. I know

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Speaker 2: the defense is not responsible for the pick six.

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Speaker 2: You could say, take that away, and how many points

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Speaker 1: What do we give up for the game twenty eight?

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Speaker 2: But something's wrong with this picture to me. Now again,

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about some of the best quarterbacks out there,

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Speaker 2: Love once. Didn't we split with Green Bay last year?

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Speaker 2: I don't remember. No, we couldn't have because we were four.

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Speaker 2: Regular Show. So would bet Jordan Love twice?

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Speaker 1: and like he might not have even played one of them.

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Speaker 2: great quarterback that we beat. If you want to call

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Speaker 2: That's anybody's wheelhouse, right especially B flow. You're gonna try

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Speaker 2: have that happen. We did not play the Eagles last year. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing in that game I don't even remember. I

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Speaker 1: You would have probably played in that game.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean to.

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Speaker 2: Before I'm going to say this is a great defense,

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Speaker 2: though again it was only three touchdowns, we got carved up.

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Speaker 2: Our secondary got carved up, and often with receivers that

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Speaker 1: I think moving forward.

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Speaker 2: So let's not be another good team's magic elicks are

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Speaker 2: the verge. We'll see he didn't play very us Gabriel

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Speaker 1: No, not Jake Plumber. Jake Brown Jake Browning. Yeah, Jake

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Speaker 2: What was Andy Dalton won a game yesterday? I didn't

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Speaker 1: Are you being serious? I'm being serious. Yeah?

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Speaker 4: For who?

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Speaker 2: I think everybody did. It's unbelievable. All right, Let's do this.

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Speaker 2: out at five thirty. What about the falest pregame show. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we don't usually do that. Oh for the early starts,

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Speaker 2: you feel about beating Kirk Cousins. I don't know at

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Speaker 1: He diced us up. In fact, let's start there. We

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Speaker 1: call this, for want of a better term, great moments

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Speaker 3: On pork down, Hurts takes the snap. He's looking to

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Speaker 3: no idea what happened to Josh Mattelis on that play.

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Speaker 3: seventy nine yard touchdown pass from jailing Hurts to Davonte Smith.

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Speaker 3: Come on, man, and it was a beauty and the

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Speaker 3: Eagles lead twenty nine. This is third and fifteen from

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Speaker 1: Let's see, come on, Bill and the a contact hit

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Speaker 3: Twenty seven yards for the first down.

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Speaker 4: Beat now not getting any pressure on the quarterback. Jalen

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Speaker 4: they've cost us dearly. Now the Eagles are in our

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Speaker 3: Davonte Smith seven catches one hundred and forty three yards

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Speaker 1: Right, there's just no ways step for Steff.

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Speaker 1: We all know what koc wants to do.

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Speaker 2: That's what he wants man forty five yard passes for touchdowns. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: of negate, it sort of nullifies all of your struggles

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00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 2: first what like, I think it was like five possessions

437
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 2: in a row for the Eagles are close to it, right,

438
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: maybe four where you don't think about that, you don't

439
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: care about that if you have that in you, and

440
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: obviously the Eagles do, and obviously their quarterback does. There

441
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 2: was a lot of talk about they put him back

442
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 2: under center a lot more than they had previously, which

443
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 2: I I'll be honest with you, I'm not a shotgun guy.

444
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 1: I don't.

445
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 2: I understand in college everybody uses it, but in the pros,

446
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 2: I just think now you got to have quarterbacks who can,

447
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,959
Speaker 2: you know, turn their back to the defense and still

448
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 2: read it and figure out what you.

449
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: Know, decision to make.

450
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 2: But I just feel like there's so much more good

451
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: offenses can do when the quarterback is under center. I

452
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: think it opens up so many more options. Now you've

453
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,719
Speaker 2: got to have also time, and we didn't have much

454
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: of a pass rush in this game. And he's elusive, right,

455
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 2: He's also capable of buying time but still making plays,

456
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: not so much anymore with his legs, right, but with

457
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: buying himself time to throw the ball, as.

458
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: He did a couple times too.

459
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 2: It felt like he did that five times where there's

460
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: guys all around him and he just finds his way out.

461
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: And it's hard even if you're playing pretty good coverage,

462
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: which they did at times, right, it's hard to cover

463
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: that long when you've got a guy running around for

464
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: four or five, six, seven, eight seconds. The receivers know

465
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: what to do. They obviously knew where the weaknesses were

466
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 2: for the Vikings. Yeah, he got out of a couple

467
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: of tricky situations. I thought just enough to make the

468
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 2: Vikings pay well the other You know, there's another element

469
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: to the defense, and it's been much discussed that if

470
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 2: you're giving up yardage and you're giving up big plays,

471
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 2: it's never good. But there is a weapon that, if

472
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: you can implement, it can also nullify some of that

473
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: at least, and that's the takeaway, taking the ball away

474
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 2: from the other team, giving your offense the ball in

475
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: plus scoring position because you've knocked the ball away via

476
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: fumble or you've picked off a pass. And if I've

477
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 2: done my math right, and I rarely do, the Vikings

478
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: do not have a single takeaway in their last three games,

479
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 2: and they've had. They've had seven for the year, but

480
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 2: five came in the Bengals game, right, so two how

481
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: many games we play?

482
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: Six?

483
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:17,479
Speaker 2: Five games? That's not workable either, now, you know, depending

484
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: on who you want to talk to on takeaways, some

485
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 2: people think there's an element of luck involved, and sometimes

486
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: you get luckier than other times.

487
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: Saw that I think is ball hawking?

488
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: Hell, yesterday it's I mean, we never had a chance

489
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: at an interception because we generally were ten yards behind

490
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 2: the receiver. How often were we even in the same

491
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: zip code to have a chance to maybe make a

492
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 2: play or to steal a pass.

493
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: But I don't know how.

494
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: You know, And look, every team, every defensive coordinator dreams

495
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 2: of takeaways, and they all talk about them, and they

496
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: all emphasize them, and they all, you know, work on

497
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: it in practice. I don't know how you manufacture it.

498
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: But as currently constituted, without what would be classified as

499
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: a high flying offense, you absolutely have to find a

500
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: way to take the ball away from the other team, right,

501
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't be in minus territory as we

502
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: were again in this game. Now, we got away with

503
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: it the week before against Cleveland, but that's Cleveland with

504
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback, right, You're not going to get away

505
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: with it against most teams. And so that's part of

506
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: what I think is troubling about this defense is that

507
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: other component, which has been a strength of this defense

508
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 2: as recently as a year ago, has most assuredly to

509
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 2: this point, not been a strength at all in twenty

510
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 2: twenty five. And part of that is also because I

511
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 2: think Alex Lewis is right wrote about it today. I'm

512
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 2: sure others have as well. By the way, I had

513
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: to google a word that Guestling wrote today. We'll have

514
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 2: to talk to him about that. Okay, the formula is

515
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: let the offense get a lead, right, and then let

516
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: the defense do all their different things and create turnovers

517
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: and then extends the lead. They haven't been able to

518
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 2: do that at all because the offense has been trailing

519
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: most of the season, right, even going back to Chicago when.

520
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: They had to come back.

521
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: They weren't good against Atlanta obviously Cincinnati, that thing was

522
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: so unique and pair shaped because of the defensive touchdowns

523
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 2: right out of the gate that you can't really factor that.

524
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: In Pittsburgh, same thing, right, The offense was no good

525
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: until the end of the game. Right, they kind of

526
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: got themselves back into it. But the formula that the

527
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: Vikings have prided themselves on, or that Koc has liked

528
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: to play with good start offensively leads to a great

529
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,479
Speaker 2: middle for the defense, expand the lead, extend the lead, whatever.

530
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: They haven't been able to do any of that this

531
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: year for a number of different reasons. None of it's

532
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: that's definitely a big part of the deal. So we'll see,

533
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, we all have from the beginning

534
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: predicted this is kind of punishing to have to play

535
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: so quickly win or lose, you know, just a few

536
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 2: days after a Sunday game, to have to play Thursday.

537
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: Everybody's got to do it. Everybody's got to do it.

538
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: And beyond that, I think you got to look at

539
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: it the other way and say, all right, this gives

540
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: us a chance without having to wallow in it for

541
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: an entire week, to get it out of our system,

542
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: go to LA and win the damn ball game. Easier

543
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 2: said than done. And I guess there's now an open question. Well,

544
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: I'll ask you, is there an open question about who's

545
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: going to start at quarterback? I don't think there is neither,

546
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: Like the X factor would be if Wentz comes in

547
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: later today or tomorrow and they go, shoulder's gotten worse

548
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: and he's just his body. His body's rebelling. So at

549
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: that point, what makes it interesting at that point is

550
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: does he rush out of out of in his mind

551
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: necessity the guy he doesn't want to rush the kid,

552
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: or do you put in another kid who's got even

553
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: less experience. That's the brochmur your guy obviously, So that

554
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: that's the interesting question. My guess is you're gonna see

555
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: Wentz again unless he literally can't go, and you're gonna

556
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: You're gonna then see this whole thing during that law

557
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: stretch after the Thursday night game before we play a

558
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: week from the following Sunday, all of this workout, where

559
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: they're going to have they're going to take a long,

560
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: hard look at at their quarterback situation and.

561
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: Likely make a call for McCarthy.

562
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: I would think at that point, I think you have to,

563
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: because if you don't at that point, then you you

564
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: are You're not there's something you're not telling us. If

565
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: at that point you don't do it right, and there's

566
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: something you've you know, you're clinging to that you don't

567
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 2: want to make public whether it's the ankle or where

568
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: he's at in his processing there. I don't think there'd

569
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: be any other explanation at that point. Let me get

570
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: to a couple of texts. A bunch of them are

571
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: coming in, Dan, You're gonna hear a lot of Vikings

572
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: apologies talk about the touchdown that wasn't or the holding

573
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: call that cost them. The truth is the Eagles scored

574
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: it will I'm thinking if the Vikings would have cashed

575
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: it on those touchdowns, Eagles would have just swung back

576
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: right around score because our secondary made it look like

577
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety nine greatest show on turf Saint Louis

578
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: Pro that we were playing against.

579
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: I thought the holding call was the right call.

580
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: I thought the title I thought Hockinson caught I shouldn't

581
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: say I ont me rephrase that. I believe the ruling

582
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: on the field that Hockinson caught the ball for a

583
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: touchdown was the correct ruling.

584
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: It was obviously overturn.

585
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: There's a couple of officials who said exactly why they

586
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: think the overturning was the correct call.

587
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: Maybe they saw an angle that I didn't.

588
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: I saw some movement, but I was under the impression

589
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: that the ball could move. But I also thought he

590
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: when it was moving, he had his hand under it.

591
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: But we'll never know. I that was a call. I

592
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: think that the Vikings deserved.

593
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: I didn't though, if I'm being honest, come away from

594
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: that game going, that's why we lost the game. That's

595
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: a big call. Yeah, and we didn't get it, and

596
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: that's a touchdown. But we still have to stop him. Yes,

597
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: we still have to stop them and get the ball

598
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: back right. Well, that's the other thing about the Eagles

599
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: that that impresses me is, you know, there's a lot

600
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: of talk about how you know Dan Campbell, you know,

601
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: a rambling gambling guy, not if he's fearless. The guy

602
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: in Chicago now, Ben Johnson, fearless riverboat gambler.

603
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't care what.

604
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: The analytics say or what the book says about. We

605
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 2: got to run the ball three times at the end

606
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: of a game and make him use their timeout. He'll

607
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: do whatever he has to do. And I think that's

608
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: what the Rams showed me again yesterday too. Is excuse

609
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: me the Eagles that in that situation they they are

610
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: fearless as well.

611
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: It was awesome.

612
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: Now, maybe what again, they recognized what their coordinator said.

613
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: There's something about the way they're playing defense. We can

614
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: think we get away with this, But there was I

615
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: don't think never at the end of that, when they're

616
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: trying to keep the ball from us. At the end,

617
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: I never got the sense that they're going to do

618
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: the old we got to run the ball three times,

619
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: make him use their remaining timeouts, and if we have

620
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: to punt, we'll punt whatever we have to do. I

621
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: just don't think and they've got the equity for that, right,

622
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: I mean, they're already they've been great for a while.

623
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: They just they won the Super Bowl a year ago.

624
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: They don't care whatever convention is either. And I don't

625
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: know that they get enough credit for that. Maybe because

626
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: they've been struggling lately that they too, and they're not

627
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: going to pay attention to, you know, drain the timeouts,

628
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: play this safe, whatever the case may be. They went

629
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: for the old if we complete this pass, and it's

630
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: it's you can argue you risk high reward play. There's

631
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 2: risk to it totally that they but if we do that,

632
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: the ball game's over, right, game's over, and they're not

633
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: going to get the ball back because we didn't get

634
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: the ball back correct correct the game. And they threw

635
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: it on second down too. That's great point. Second in completion. Yes,

636
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: the throw is it was the right read. It was

637
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: just the ball was behind the receivers, I recall, and

638
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: that is I think almost even more unconventional. Yes, yes,

639
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: not even get to like second, third and five or

640
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: third and seven, because it's second and nine, they throw it.

641
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: Vikings don't have to use the time out right, Corres,

642
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: So you've got that too. They how many teams out

643
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: of one hundred do what the Eagles did?

644
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: Ten out of my hundred.

645
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: Get it. They're all talking and going, well, we're gonna

646
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: we're gonna run the ball, and we got Barkley and

647
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: we're gonna leave the clock and then here we go.

648
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: And they did not.

649
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: Now part of that might be because they knew what that

650
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: The Vikings couldn't stop them in moments of truth, because

651
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: they hadn't all day in huge situations I shouldn't say

652
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: all day, but in huge situations, high leverage ones even

653
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: earlier in the drive, you know, or the drive before,

654
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: they just say we're gonna throw it up and we're

655
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: gonna trust our guy against zay Raj and we'll see

656
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: what happens. Were you at all titillated by what Koc

657
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: allegedly said during the briefing today?

658
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: What did you say? Well, according to Texter, Kyle.

659
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: Koc did say that that that Brozemer was the only

660
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: healthy quarterback. Carson and JJ are still healing. With the

661
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: short week. I could be investing in Brosmar Bungalows.

662
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: Did he say that? I don't think he said that.

663
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: Uh, maybe he wants maybe Kyle wants to believe it,

664
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: but I know he didn't say Brozmer Bungalows Dah he

665
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: said that, Yeah, could he have said Brozmar Brownstones?

666
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 1: Could he likely?

667
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: Could he have said Brentwood Brosmer Because they're going out

668
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: to l A. I don't know. They were hanging out

669
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: pretty tight Friday night at Huntington Bank Stadium, KAOS they

670
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: were well somebody, uh somebody texted me Sunday during sermons

671
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: to say it was Rose Gopher Rose Bowl guy who

672
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: was yelling at from the side I guess from the

673
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: sands at Koc basically saying you got to start Brosmer

674
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: uh and and that he kind of chuckled and then

675
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 2: he pointed to Drake Lindsay said, how about that guy.

676
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: There's your controversy right there. I can confirm he was

677
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: impressed with that twenty yard touchdown to Lomechy Brockets. That

678
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: was a good play on the third third quarter drive.

679
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: I can confirm it wasn't Mahomes, but it was a

680
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: good thing. It was a good play that they were

681
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,959
Speaker 2: pretty thick on the Mahomes stuff, aren't they. Oh my god,

682
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: it was off the charts. We'll come back now and

683
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: get to some more texts, lots more Vikings talking points.

684
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: Ben Lever will join in about an Ouf.

685
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,120
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692
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: second consecutive week, I find myself gobsmacked by a point

693
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: spread and I understand, don't text me a lot of times.

694
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: The spread is made to elicit action, but.

695
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: I also thought, to a certain extent, it gives you

696
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: some sense of what oddsmakers think of the relative quality

697
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: of the two teams matched up against one another.

698
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: A week ago.

699
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: The Gophers, I think at one point whereas much as

700
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: was it nine point underdogs, the home standing Gophers nine

701
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: point underdogs to Nebraska?

702
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: Correct? What does that mean? Correct?

703
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: That's a lot of point And I think it came

704
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 2: back a little bit to the pack. But I still

705
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 2: found that and I get it. The Gopher performance against

706
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: Purdue was not at all impressive, even though they ultimately

707
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: won the game. And I know Nebraska had been on

708
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: a roll and they were twenty eight fifth rank.

709
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: I still thought. I didn't. I still didn't.

710
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: I guess trust Nebraska enough to trust that gap. Similarly,

711
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 2: this week, and by the way a fan has learned,

712
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: the Gophers dominated that game.

713
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: So now this week we're going to Iowa.

714
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 2: Game time's now said, I think it's a two thirty correct, yep,

715
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 2: pregame started to twelve thirty right here in the fan.

716
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: You got it.

717
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 2: I've got the Gophers as eight and a half point underdogs.

718
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: It already gone to eight and a half. The Iowa Hawkeys. Wow.

719
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: Now again, well it may have. I think it's moving

720
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: a little bit. And again it probably depends on what

721
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: service we're looking at. I'm seeing a couple that says

722
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: eight and a half. That sounds preposterous to me. Again,

723
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: not let me make it clear that I now trust

724
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: the Gophers. We're on our way to the Rose Bowl,

725
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: or we're on our way to the net, to the

726
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 2: to the to the to the postseason tournament.

727
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: But I don't.

728
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: I guess I don't trust Iowa enough either, even though

729
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: I know the game is there to think there's I

730
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: put both these teams kind of in the great and

731
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: middle of the Big ten. So I guess I'm a

732
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: little stunned by that point spread as well. But it's

733
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: got to be perfect for PJ. Colton born material for

734
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: PJ to say we we dominated the twenty fifth ranked

735
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: team in the country allegedly wasn't even a ball game.

736
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, it was a mismatch.

737
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: And they so little in us that we're practically double

738
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: digit underdogs to the Hawkeyes nine and a half according

739
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: to DraftKings. That is surprising. That's surprising to me as well.

740
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: That's a lot of points in Iowa. They ended up

741
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: winning the game Saturday night against Penn State, and they're

742
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: back up quar Yeah, and they were down twenty one

743
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 2: to ten I think at one point in the third

744
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: quarter and found a way to get it done.

745
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: That's a big number. That's a big number. Nebraska attention.

746
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: Nebraska, by the way, seven and a half point favorites

747
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: to Northwestern, who won't lose it New York. Yeah, they

748
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: Northwestern continues to play that.

749
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: Where is that game? Nebras Lincoln? Okay, yeah, yeah, that's so.

750
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: I don't know.

751
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: I I just I guess I just don't trust uh

752
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: any of these teams enough for that that for there

753
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 2: to be that big of a I agree with the gap,

754
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: but we'll see how it goes.

755
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: We got plenty of time to get to that later.

756
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: Do you trust your.

757
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: Shosiers against the hottest team in college football? UCLA? Well,

758
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: twenty five and a half point favorites. Too many points.

759
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 2: I thought it was too many points against Michigan State,

760
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: and ultimately, uh, this is a yes, I guess another

761
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: sign of how things are weird in Bloomington, Indiana and

762
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 2: different than they've ever been. Indiana played probably a B

763
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: minus game for them, and they outscored after a slow

764
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: start Michigan State thirty one to three, and they ended

765
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,959
Speaker 2: up winning thirty eight to whatever it was it wasn't

766
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: it ended up being not close.

767
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: I think they scored on like five straight possessions. People

768
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: are bitter, aren't they?

769
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: And yeah, and people are bitter, which again tells you

770
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: that things are very different than they used to be

771
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 2: in Bloomington. That still seems like a lot of points

772
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: to me. I agree, But you know, at this point,

773
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: the quarterback question is ongoing.

774
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: It's fluid, and.

775
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: I will be not the first to say, but I

776
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: will be another individual to say that I wasn't is

777
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: down on Carson Wentz's performance, as many of the mc

778
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: bobos who are never going to give him any slack

779
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: whatsoever because they're so anxious to get their guy back

780
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: on the field. Having said that, on compels me to

781
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: also say that with the way Wentz played yesterday, the

782
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: door has been opened. He played badly enough in making

783
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: rookie mistakes that you're not supposed to get from a

784
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 2: veteran quarterback that I think, in a way that wasn't

785
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: true until this game. The door is open now again.

786
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: What you do. Who you know slipped through that open door.

787
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: Is still an interesting question because it gets back to

788
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: what we talked about last week. The health of the

789
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: guy you want to give the ball to is still

790
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: the essential question. And if you deem he's not healthy

791
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: enough to be springy moving around, given all the other

792
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: issues he's gonna have to be dealing with on the road,

793
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: prime time on a Thursday night game, then you may

794
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: still have to go with Wentz. I don't think he

795
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: intends to play your guy yet, Max Brosmer now because

796
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 2: in an odd sort of way, I think he wants

797
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: to either stick with Wentz or bring the guy they

798
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: built this whole thing around, JJ McCarthy, because that's what

799
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: this team has to find out now.

800
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: Eventually, Who knows.

801
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: If an opportunity arises and Brosmer plays the second half

802
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 2: of the Chargers game and plays great as you you will,

803
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 2: I'm sure no doubt predict for the fifth straight week.

804
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: I thought, one of these weeks, you're going to be right.

805
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: We should happened.

806
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 3: Well.

807
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: The the reality is, I still think though that's the

808
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: way the head coach is thinking. But enough happened yesterday

809
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: for me to say what I've said all along, which is,

810
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: let this play out. If Wentz comes back to the pack,

811
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: then you'll, you know, you'll have your opportunity to put

812
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: somebody else in, probably JJ, but JJ.

813
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: Again, we have no idea how he's gonna be viewed

814
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: in terms.

815
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: Of the health issue, and that, to me is what

816
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 2: makes this so fascinating. You know, on the way, as

817
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: we prepare for that particular game, he may not be

818
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: healthy enough. They may have behind the scenes, off the record,

819
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: already determined that we're playing this out with Wentz until

820
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: we get to that Detroit game, which would be a

821
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: week from Sunday, right, basically two weeks from yesterday, Yes, correct, exactly.

822
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: That's that's the long game we're playing, and from that

823
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: point it's going to be JJ McCarthy's team, because again, Wentz,

824
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: I don't I'll be honest. I don't think he was

825
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: helped out at times by his head coach. I don't

826
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: think he was always helped out by his receivers. I

827
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 2: don't think he was always helped out by his offensive line.

828
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 2: But he made I mean, I actually wasn't as offended

829
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: with the second throw as the first one. As reckless

830
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: as it looked, it was as good as a pun

831
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: deep interception because he's got an arm. But and you

832
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: can see you don't do that on second down, you

833
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: do that on third down. I get the point. The

834
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: first pick, I don't know what to make. That's a

835
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: vision thing. It was a bad pick obviously because it

836
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: ends up being a pick six. And then the intentional

837
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: grounding was key because it's deep in their territory. And

838
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: I'm assuming he just assumed that there's got to be

839
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 2: a running back there somewhere. But if he knows the play,

840
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: he knows the only back I think that's available is

841
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: the guy he probably should have thrown too out in

842
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 2: the flat as a TV color analyst guy said yep.

843
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: And that's so that's an unforgivable play under those circumstances

844
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: as well, And he does that. That's part of the

845
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: reason he's in the position that he's in now. I

846
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: would say, but I can't say, you know a good

847
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: conscience that he got a lot of help. To be honest,

848
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: I don't think he did get a lot of help.

849
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: And we'll get to a couple of the talking points

850
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 2: later at this regarding this thing involving offensive Lineman and

851
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: even JJ as dependable as JJ usually is. I think

852
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 2: we have six games now of the quarterback, whoever it

853
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: is not getting much help.

854
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: That's true.

855
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: So I think we need to stop thinking that they're

856
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: going to be this well oiled machine, that this infrastructure

857
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: is there, all the stuff he talked about in the

858
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: preseason on why they were willing to give it a

859
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: shot with basically a rookie quarterback because they thought the

860
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: infrastructure was all going to be solid and let's just

861
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: see what he can do. I think he got to

862
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: give up on that at this point. I know we

863
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: might get some people back and there may be some

864
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: things to work through there, but I think the second

865
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: JJ's healthy, I think at this point you got it.

866
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 2: Carson Wentz has not played well enough to keep the job. No,

867
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: he has not well. Again, what makes his fluid though,

868
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: is I think he's going to play this next game.

869
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: I agree with that, so then we'll see, you know,

870
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Speaker 2: I don't think there's a decision once JJ's healthy. I

871
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: think the decision is to get him back out there.

872
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Speaker 2: That's what I would say. Be careful what you wish

873
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: for well, of course, but I just don't think Carson's

874
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: played above and beyond where they have to start thinking

875
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: about it or continue to think about it. What does

876
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: this mean, Dan, You are an apologist for Wentz, but

877
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 2: you treat J prime Bradier Manning.

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Speaker 1: I'm all confused. I don't think i'm.

879
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Speaker 2: Either, quite Frankly, I have tended to defend Wentz just

880
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: because some of the criticism has been irrational. Let's be

881
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 2: honest about something, boys and girls. The reason you're clamoring

882
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: for somebody else, whether it be JJ or your guy Brosmer,

883
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: is recency biased. The most recent stuff you've seen is

884
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 2: of this quarterback. You've already forgotten how dreadful JJ was

885
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: in seven of the first eight quarters. Dreadful, the lowest

886
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: rated quarterback in football maybe ever. But it happened a

887
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: long enough time ago that you've put it out of

888
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: your mind. So I have tended to try to defend

889
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: Wentz a little bit more in that regard.

890
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Speaker 1: And on Brosmer.

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Speaker 2: I mean, who's to say at this point, but I think,

892
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Speaker 2: as as this sounds, you're really throwing.

893
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Speaker 1: One thing is to go with the backup because you

894
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: have to.

895
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Speaker 2: Another is, on a team that's supposed to be built

896
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: for the youngster, put in another youngster, and I think

897
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Speaker 2: that's part of what deep down the head coach might

898
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,479
Speaker 2: be trying to avoid. Now, will circumstances force his hand

899
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Speaker 2: in this next game on Thursday night.

900
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Speaker 1: Somebody's got to play the position. So I have to

901
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Speaker 1: see a top of the hour break back with another

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Speaker 1: Vikings talking point neck