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Speaker 2: James Rapine, who is at the practice fields right now

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Speaker 2: adjacent to Pei Course Stadium, with eyes on Joe Flacco,

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Speaker 2: the Bengals new starting quarterback. James, how is Joe looking?

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Speaker 3: He looks like he's getting warmed up, Buddie and walking

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Speaker 3: out of practice now he's getting warmed up. He looks

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Speaker 3: exactly how you'd expect a franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Pellow, a franchise quarterback to look. When you heard that

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Speaker 2: not only are the Bengals acquiring Joe Flacco, but Joe

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Speaker 2: Flacco is starting the game on Sunday against the Packers,

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Speaker 2: what was your immediate reaction?

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Speaker 3: What weird timeline are we in, you know, I think

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Speaker 3: that's the first one like it. It's a very unique situation.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm walking back right now from the practice

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Speaker 3: fields and I just see that the Joe Burrow parking spot,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, how did we go from Joe versus

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Speaker 3: Joe week one to this?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Look, there's something that It's something the Bengals had to do.

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Speaker 4: They had to do something. And when I see the name.

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Speaker 3: Sam Howell, for example, well, I would prefer Joe Flacco

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Speaker 3: because I do think he's physically Like everyone's talking about

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Speaker 3: how he can't move when when was Jake Browning?

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Speaker 4: Michael Vick like that.

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Speaker 3: Was his pocket movement such a factor. I think that

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Speaker 3: Joe Flacco's arms is unique and so it gives them

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Speaker 3: a chance, which, given how the last three games have gone,

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Speaker 2: Did Zach Taylor hint to how the offense might be

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Speaker 2: different with Joe Flacco than Jake Browning? Do you think

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Speaker 4: I wonder that.

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Speaker 3: I think I don't necessarily think it has to be

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Speaker 3: because Joe has been there, done that, and I think

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Speaker 3: that gives him the edge over some of these other options. Now,

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Speaker 3: terminology wise, is it going to be perfect on Sunday?

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Speaker 4: It's not. There's just no way to do that.

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Speaker 3: But you're dealing with the guy that has seen it all,

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Speaker 3: that has played on the biggest stages, that has been

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Speaker 3: on the road countless times. You know, I've played the

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Speaker 3: So like, he has used to road environments, loud crowds,

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Speaker 3: all of those things. So do I think that they

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Speaker 3: that's going to necessarily be a major issue on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: But whether or not that that helps them in the

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Speaker 2: That's the thing, because you're balancing, Okay, they did something

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Speaker 2: that's better than nothing, but do the Bengals plus Joe

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Speaker 3: I typed, I literally just tweeted out something and type

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Speaker 4: It's just a different Joe.

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Speaker 3: And uh yeah, I do think there's hope. Now, this

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Speaker 4: We've been in this position before. We're two and zero.

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Speaker 3: He battled back, and we came back and handled handed

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Speaker 4: I will say this though, it will be better.

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Speaker 3: I'm confident in that, Like there is no way. Like

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Speaker 4: And they weren't made. And that has to change.

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Speaker 3: Whether or not it will result and wins, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: Do you think there were some positives to take away

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Speaker 3: I wasn't calling for Brett Rippon on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: why this was a necessary move for sure.

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Speaker 3: I think that's why this move makes sense to me,

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Speaker 4: But it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: Great and they've been put in such awful spots that

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Speaker 3: I do think they lack game changers. Outside of Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say that the Bengals secondary,

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Speaker 3: I think that you're right, Cam Taylor Britt. It's been

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Speaker 3: But overall, like I was encouraged by DJ Turner the

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Speaker 4: It's really tough to judge.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's a mixture, a mixed bag because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they don't even know what plays are coming.

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Speaker 2: So that's a big deal for them to be able

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Speaker 2: Green Bay. What's the biggest thing the Bengals have to

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Speaker 3: Man, you know they would say the Generals stop the run,

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Speaker 3: how they play like in a normal game script. Let's

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Speaker 3: that puts them behind the change the big plays like that,

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Speaker 3: I think that's sort of what they need, which is

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Speaker 3: could struggle at times. But like my ideal Bengals defense

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Speaker 3: like that, realistically would be a defense that's opportunistic that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so it's so simple, but like just like

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Speaker 3: what should the strength of the Bengals be? Like if

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Speaker 3: you went high level, like the strength of the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: What is it throwing the ball?

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Speaker 3: It's their weapons, right, And so like I'm sick and

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Speaker 4: T Higgins, it's production this year. It's like it's like

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Speaker 4: Chie Wiggins.

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Speaker 3: It's like some random receiver that you've never heard of,

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Speaker 3: and that's what it is. And that's not a knock

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Speaker 4: That can't be the case.

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Speaker 3: He needs to be a game changer. They paid him

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Speaker 3: to be a game changer. He's capable of being a

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Speaker 3: game changer. Obviously that goes with Jamar Chase. But it

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Speaker 3: isn't just those guys, Like it's not like Jake was

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Speaker 3: Yosabash was on a note cart. Like Chase, Brown has

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Speaker 3: had a down year compared to where expectations were coming

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Speaker 3: into this season like everyone on offense is underachieved. So

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Speaker 3: let your playmakers be playmakers. And if you can get

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Speaker 3: to that, however you do it, I don't care if

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Speaker 3: it's under center, shotgun, play action, quick screens, quick, get

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Speaker 3: moon ball, like, I don't really care how but those

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Speaker 3: And that sounds insane because they've scored thirty seven points

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Speaker 3: in three games and all four of their touchdowns over

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Speaker 3: the last three games came in garbage time. But that's

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Speaker 3: their reality and I think they know that, and that's

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Speaker 3: why they went They got Joe Flacco because they needed

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Speaker 3: someone that had the arm, talent and had seen enough

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Speaker 3: in this league to get the ball to their playmakers.

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Speaker 3: Because if they're going to go on a run, their

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Speaker 3: playmakers are.

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Speaker 2: Going to be the reason why, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: James Rapine all all Bengals, Bengals Talk, Cincinnati Bengals Talk.

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Speaker 2: Run through the gambit here, what is it? You got

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Speaker 2: me confused?

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Speaker 4: I know, I do. It's all right, I know, I know.

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Speaker 2: I locked on Bengals.

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Speaker 4: Locked on Bengals, Cincinnati, Bengals Talk. Boom, there you go.

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Speaker 4: Three headed monster, all right, wonderful headed monster. What they

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Speaker 4: call that?

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Speaker 3: Joe Flacco, Jamar Chase and T Higgins. The three headed monster.

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Speaker 2: That is a monster. Indeed, James, thanks for making some

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Speaker 2: time for me today. Have a great day.

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Speaker 4: You're the man. UGHI appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: That is James Rapine from Bengals Talk dot com. We'll

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