WEBVTT - Let's Garden with Scott Beuerlein 8/8/2026 Hour 2 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.600 And welcome back. You're listening to Let's Garden Scott Berlin. 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:36.800 Entering our second hour. Here, I'm with John Butcher from 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:41.480 Madison Tree Care and Landscape, great horticulturist and a top 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:42.560 tree guy. 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:43.640 Very nice of you. 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:48.120 Thanks, You're welcome, and Steve Holts, director of Horticulture at 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:52.080 the Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Gardens. And in about an 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.040 hour we will be joined by Charlie Frank from the 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:59.880 cince Reds Foundation to talk about the collaboration between the 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.880 Zoo and the since Red's Foundation and some of the 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:07.360 really cool community makeover projects that they do and the 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:11.679 big horticultural component that's become part of it and the 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:15.479 importance of that. And I think I am looking forward 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:18.760 to that conversation. Charlie is a great guy, and I 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.120 think we'll have a lot of good information there for 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:26.039 people and insight and inspiration all of it. So we're 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.760 going to do one more lightning round of favorite plants 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.720 right now, just because we can't not do it. Oh, 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.440 I do want to say eight hundred eight two three 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.200 eighty two fifty five give us a call. I'm here 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:41.600 with two very good horticulturist who could answer darny or 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.400 any question, and this is the hour to do it. 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.760 This would be the time you can get through. We'll 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.600 be talking about other things, but we'll interrupt to take 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.680 your call at any point. Eight hundred eight three eighty 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.720 two fifty five, John, what's your next plant? 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:01.639 I really like winterthor viburnum, and some people would call 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:06.200 winter and pronounce it differently, but it's winter thur viburn 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.120 for all common English speaking people here. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.679 And it's hard to pass that th h and just 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:12.600 leave it with a tea. 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:12.960 Yeah. 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.080 I don't know, but it's a great plant. It's got 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:20.120 really shiny foliage in the summer, and it's just one 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:22.480 of the smaller viburnam that fits in this place. 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:22.920 Is better. 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.359 It's got a pretty flower, cool fruit, great fall color. 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.640 Can can I'm gonna are you gonna pick on me 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:31.000 for this one? Do you want to get back at me? 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.360 Do you know about this? I'm one hundred percent on 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:34.800 board with winter. 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:40.120 The internet will say that it's got a smelly odor 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.639 when the leaves drop in the fall, and I've never 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:45.480 had a problem with it. It's never been something that 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:48.000 I've noticed. And I've got a nose that smells lots 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.040 of things, and that's not that's not. 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.799 A young nose a fresh No. I was gonna say 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:58.600 a big note. Yeah, I like that one a lot too. 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.720 And you know the the fruit starts out pink and 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.680 then turns to blue and then a very dark blue, 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.160 and that combines the blue part of it, the end 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.160 part of it with the fall color which is bright 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:15.880 red and is a really nice, nice combination. Like you said, 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:20.320 it fits in most landscapes pretty well. There's also brandywine, yep, 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:27.079 the other common cultivar. They're great viburnum, newtam winterter or brandywine. 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:31.800 Yeah, agreed, Steve. All right, I'm going to go perennial 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.680 on you now, so we'll keep the theme with the 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:41.800 reds community fun projects, the community makeovers. As we look 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.240 back in the past ten years on all the gardens 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.520 that we've done in the community with very little maintenance 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:55.640 and really tough growing conditions, three plants stood out on Perennials, 0:03:56.240 --> 0:04:01.920 like every project we've done. One's Amsonia, who d Arkansas 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.000 Amsonia my favorite. There's a new one out called string 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:09.200 Theory that's really nice and tight and compact, and you know, 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.200 it's still three by three, but compact for an Amsonia 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:18.080 drought tolerant, full sun turns butterscotch yellow in the fall, 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:22.240 little blue flowers in the late spring. But then the 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:27.680 second Pynanthemum mudicum, the mountain mint, it's a beast. But 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.240 for you know, places that are really tough to get 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.719 things to grow. If you say I don't have a 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.520 green thumb, but I want a garden, that would be 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:40.320 a good one to try. And then Baptisia you can 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:45.800 never go wrong. The triumvia ismth would say. And those three, boy, 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:49.039 you know you can base your garden off of those three. 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:53.040 You really can, uh three favorites of mine, hands down, 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.599 I think, you know. And all three of them really 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:00.920 weren't part of the menu even five years. Baptista has 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.520 been longer. But Amsnia just came along in the last 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:08.559 ten years, and a Pygnantheum maybe only just the last five. 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:13.039 And now all of a sudden they're out there, people 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:17.200 are using them. And I always warned people with the 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.320 amsnia that, you know, be patient with it. For the 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.719 first two years you're going to wonder why Scott or 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:27.000 Steve recommended this plant. But then it takes off and 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:32.680 it forms this beautiful shrublight perennial light foliage that blows 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:36.320 around in the wind, never falls over, and then that 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:40.479 to die for yellow fall color is just phenomenal. We're 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:44.279 going to go to Pamela in Kentucky with a call Pamela, 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:45.680 what can we do for you today? 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.000 Yes, my daughter has a large patch of the Lily 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.320 of the valley and she was told that it's harmful 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:58.000 to kids and pets. Do you know how to get 0:05:58.000 --> 0:05:59.039 a house can get rid of that? 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:04.359 Uh? Yeah, it is. I think it's considered poisonous. So 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:08.279 though kids and dogs generally have more sense than maybe 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.760 we give them credit for. But uh, that is a 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:12.880 tough one to get rid of it. It's it's got 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:16.560 a corn or a bulb at the bottom, stores a 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.400 lot of energy. And I think it's going to take 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:25.599 repeated you know, spraying it with some kind of herbicide probably. 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.160 I would recommend a life to say product and uh, 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.080 waiting for it to return and then do it again. 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.839 It may take several years. You can keep stringing, yeah, 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.680 you can keep stringing it back too, and that will 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:42.239 negate the issue with with the kids and the dogs. 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.279 Steve or John do you have any comments there. 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.839 You can find a friend who really likes that plant, yeah, 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:50.440 wants to put it in their yard, and you can 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.640 tell them they can dig it out all they want. 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.160 Yeah. Maybe they don't care about their kids or their 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:55.800 dogs so much. 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:00.240 A little survival of the fittest. Yeah, Well, I've needed 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:04.040 in thousands of landscapes and I've never heard of one 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:09.080 person falling ill to this thing. So I believe that 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.640 it's poisonous. And you know, if they're in there eating it, 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:13.840 or the dogs eating everything, or the kids, you know, 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.880 certainly this isn't without some level of risk. But I 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.720 think it's pretty low from my experience. 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:23.920 Right, we're apartment. She has autistic and then he likes 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.120 to play with playing, So yeah. 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:27.680 You might want to err on the side of caution 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.120 there for sure. Yeah. So did we answer your question. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.920 You're welcome, Lisa, Thank you. You're welcome, Lisa and Cincinnati. 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:36.120 What can we do for you? 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:37.640 Hi? 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.640 We had we were involved in that tornado that went 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:45.440 through in Pierce Township two weeks ago. Yeah, and the 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.920 one hundred and fifty year old hackberry fell on part 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.960 of our Foxwood hedge that is about eighteen years old. 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:56.160 A beautiful hedge. It did not break the branches to 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.880 pressed it down really far to the ground, you know, 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.240 sent it so because it was the limb was sitting 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.600 on that for a day or so. Is that a part? 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:09.800 Is it possible to bring that back up as far 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:10.800 as slowly? 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.880 So the branches are bent but not broken, and they 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.840 are staying down, and they haven't returned on their own 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:19.160 at all. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:24.080 Oh, they're maybe coming up a little bit. Maybe we're trying. Yeah, 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:25.880 we've been really watering it in. 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.000 I would think that there's a chance to pull those 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.720 back together. A little bit of garden twine that that 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.640 decomposes on its own, and you can slowly start to 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.040 kind of tie those back together. And you know, it's 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.000 hard to say without seeing it how hard you can 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:41.480 pull on it, or if you can get it back 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:43.680 together all the way in one swoop, But if you 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.520 can lift it up a little bit and tie some 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.160 branches together, or maybe put a little steak in the 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.360 middle of it, and then tie the branches back to 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.000 the central steak and just kind of slowly start to 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.760 pull them back. And if you use a garden twine 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.040 that decomposes, you don't have to worry about if you 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:02.600 forget and leave it on that it'll end up girdling 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.360 the branches later. So I do think it's possible. 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:08.199 Steve, you have anything to add on that now, I 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:13.040 think be patient, fluff it up, tie it up, and uh. 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.959 You know, the box will tell you whether it is 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.200 gonna make it or not in about a couple of weeks. 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.360 And it's about the most resilient plant that you'll ever find, 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:26.600 So thinking, good chance they'll come. 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.440 Back, and a little bit of tip pruning out on 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.520 the ends could lighten up the weight on its own, 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.080 which will start to allow to come back without you 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:37.040 doing anything at all. From a string or tie back perspective. 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:41.040 Yeah, okay, so just and keep it water and give 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:42.000 it uh. 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.760 I wouldn't be too aggressive about the water, and especially 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.360 with all the rain we've been getting. Boxwoods don't need 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:48.920 a lot of rain, and I don't think it's going 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:50.960 to err or water and it's not going to really 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.760 help and you could wind up, you know, rotting roots 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:54.440 and things like that. 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:56.880 I agree with Scott completely. I wouldn't give it any 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.440 supplemental water, especially if it's been established. Box they're one 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:04.080 of the few things that really don't have any drought 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:09.360 susceptibility in Cincinnati. And also they do have a lot 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.319 of water overwatering issues. As soon as you start to 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.079 put too much water on a box wood, you'll see 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.079 lots of problems. So I would air on the less 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:18.880 water side. 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:23.480 Does that help you out? Yes, very much, outstanding. Thanks 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:24.080 for your call. 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.440 Well, there's the start of the drought right there. 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.199 Yeah, we just started it and we just cursed ourselves. 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:34.080 Boom. Yeah. When we come back, we will delve into 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.640 some things you can do in the garden, probably things 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:40.679 you should have done last week, and we will take 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.760 your calls. 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He's got good friend, good 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:32.120 looking guy, really smart, good answers questions, well. 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:33.360 Good looking for the radio. 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.880 Yeah, and Steve Folks all the same things, plus my boss. 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.640 That's right. Yeah, So yeah, in about a half hour now, 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.400 I'm about forty five minutes ish. Well have Charlie Franklin. 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:48.920 I am looking forward to that. Talk about the the 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:53.400 Red's Foundation. It's just such a unique and wonderful of 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:59.680 entity or institution or foundation or whatever, and the work 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.720 they do is so good, and we're at the zoo 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.400 very very proud to be a part of it. And 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.040 there's a lot of cool stories, a lot of good 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.160 information that we can share with you about all of that. 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:13.240 So until then, we will take your calls if you 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.400 call us eight hundred eighty two, three eighty two to 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.760 fifty five with any questions that you want to sling 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.920 at us eight hundred eighty two three eighty two fifty five. 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.680 In the meantime, fellas, let's talk about things we should 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:26.760 have done last week. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:34.600 John Sure, So middle September, I really think September through 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:38.400 middle of October great time to plant grass seed and 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:40.720 right now if you're going to do big areas and 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:42.800 you've got lots of weeds in those areas where you're 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.240 going to do a kill out of that grass or 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.400 weed or whatever it is, ahead of time last week, 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.800 this week great time to get your herbicide down so 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.040 that it's got time to kill and let the herbicide 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:57.320 go away. And then that middle of September time frame 0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:59.720 perfect time to do a little light till and get 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:00.640 your ass seed in. 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.640 Yeah. I've always wondered what what the length of time 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:09.720 you need to have between the herbicide application and the 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.080 sowing seed and what is you're saying about a month 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:13.600 six weeks? 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.400 I think a month is pretty safe, but it does 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.040 depend on the herber side, and and. 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:19.720 There's anything with a pre emergent in it. 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:21.840 There's other factors, and you really don't want to use 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.120 a pre emergent at all. For us, this is this 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.560 is all post emergent. But but this is a great 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.960 time to do that without uh, because because you want 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.360 to kill out all those weeds before you put new 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:35.480 good grass seed down, because that's probably the reason you're 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.080 doing it, because you got a bunch of garbage in 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:41.240 your lawn. And I'm not a huge fan of lawn 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.400 treatments and doing all the spraying all the time, but 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.040 but this kind of thing, when you have a really 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:47.960 noxious weed, I feel like it is a good way 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:49.080 to hit the reset button. 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.280 And I it's not the right time for it, of course, 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:57.200 but you know, lesser celandine has become such a problem, uh, 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:03.640 invading lawns and just covering them in what April till 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:07.600 May maybe yep, and uh, you know, an orbicide treatment 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.120 like a two four D product does a pretty good 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.960 job on that, especially if you kind of follow up 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.720 with the same thing a couple of years later, next year, 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:16.760 and the year following. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.440 Every treatment I've ever done on that plant looks great 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.680 by June, no matter how well I applied it. 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:23.400 Well, that's because it goes stormage on. 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:28.280 Oh sucks, But you can't. 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.680 You can't have success by treating it for sure. 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.640 And not giving up on that all the way I 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.040 think is critical because you're not gonna you're probably not 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:37.960 going to win the battle all the way. But that 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.760 doesn't mean you just throw in your cards and fold. 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:42.360 You want to. You want to, you want to fight 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.840 that battle, because that's one of the most I don't 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.440 know how it spreads. It's like a out of this world. 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.800 The way that it can reproliferate. 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.480 The thing I keep hearing, and I don't know if 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.880 it's true or not, is that the little bulb bulbs 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.240 or bulblets get caught in deer hoofs and gets spread 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.440 around that way and maybe with other animals and probably 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:07.600 by seed as well. So whatever way it's getting around 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:10.200 it is getting around. There are areas along the Little 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:14.200 Miami River that are dozens and dozens of acres of 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.800 solids lesser celandine, and if you see a yard infested 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:19.960 with it, it becomes. 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.640 Covered in sunny for about a week. 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:26.720 Yeah. Yeah, it's beautiful. Yeah, it's shiny foliage, beautiful, little 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.719 yellow flower. And if you didn't know what you were 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.240 looking at, you'd say, I want that plant, I want 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:33.960 it in my garden. But you don't. 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:38.359 Is there some horticulturalists like Steve, like some great horticulturists 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.960 that introduced that to us long ago as the best 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:42.800 plant that we can make fun of. Now do we 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:43.720 know the answer to that? 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:44.639 I don't think so. 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:46.280 Now it just happened to get here. 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.120 Yeah, horticulture gets blamed for everything. 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:56.679 I do know. That was never a common garden center plant. 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:02.120 You know, there was one cultivar, remember, from twenty years ago, 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:06.080 called Braisen Hussy. It was like a dark foliage kind 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:11.480 and no one could barely even get that one to grow. 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:16.719 But I don't remember ever seeing, you know, on the shelf. 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.840 So I think horticulture is innocent on this one. 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.639 And it's relatively new, like that wasn't around when I 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:24.720 was right younger. 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:28.560 Came suddenly, just very quickly. See, you have. 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.920 Inspired me, John, to maybe redo my front lawn. I 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:38.080 think I'm gonna do it this year. He is so right. 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.520 I was thinking about that as I was, you know, 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.679 cleaning up my oak tree and burning on it. I'm like, 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.560 I thought I had grass here, but it's not grass. 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:52.000 It's just green stuff. And you know, one thing I've noticed, 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:57.119 if you know, I'm not big into herbicide applications on 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.480 the lawn. I don't have lawn care. Some of the 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:06.000 you know, areas around the zoo where we do have weeds, 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.399 you have to mow a lot more because of the 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:14.920 weeds rather than a good solid turf, And so reduction 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:19.080 in your maintenance sometimes is you know, good for just 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.640 to tame that weed pressure down. 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:24.480 And some weeds are a lot nicer than others, like, 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.280 for sure, clover, you know, that's the one that everybody 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:31.280 seems to tolerate and appreciate and helps the bees out. 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:31.640 A little bit. 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.240 Wild violets, and I think those are pretty Yeah. 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.080 I think I've treated my lawn twice in the whole 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:43.520 thirty plus years at my house, but every now and 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:46.800 then it just gets so wild and you just kind 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.640 of have to go all right, this year is the year, 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.359 you know, and then the garden looks or the yard 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.320 looks great for a few years and then you come 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:59.280 back around. 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Learn more at rescue dot com. 0:21:46.359 --> 0:22:00.920 That's ri e s cue dot com. 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:04.520 And welcome back. Uh. This is uh Let's garden with 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:08.360 Scott Berlin here with John from Madison Try Care and 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:12.400 Landscape and Steve Folds from the Cincinnati Botanical Gardener Zoo. 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:15.640 And we have Charlie Frank coming in about a half 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:19.720 hour with I'm sure will be a really fascinating discussion. 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:25.879 And I've been miss misnaming the organized organization all morning. 0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:29.919 It's uh he's actually executive director of the Reds Community Fund. 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:33.280 So make that correction and try not to make it again. 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:34.800 I'll do that. 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:35.440 We forgive you. 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:38.800 Yeah, this is a lot to people don't know how 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:43.080 hard this job is. There's a lot going on, you know, 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:45.359 and I'm not that smart. 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:48.119 And the people here can't see that. Steve's sitting behind you, 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:49.560 breathing down your neck while. 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:51.200 You're doing looming over. 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:54.400 Yet I don't think they know that it's always been 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:54.960 so hard. 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:56.679 Uh. 0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:59.920 We we have roughly a half hour to take your call, 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.400 answer your questions eight hundred and eighty two three eighty 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:05.840 two fifty five. In the meantime, we will continue talking 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:08.000 about some things we should have done. Last week, John, 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:08.800