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Speaker 2: You know a lot of different themes to the Bengals

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Speaker 2: We are going to do a Bengals off season overview

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Speaker 2: in the five o'clock hour with our guy James Rapine.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that Trey Hendrickson is a name that

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Speaker 2: free agency options and maybe some early, very early draft

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Speaker 2: It is interesting. There's been if you go on the

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Speaker 2: been Trey Hendrickson chatter, and understandably so. He is one

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Speaker 2: That's abundantly clear, Like right, wrong. Maybe you think the

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Speaker 2: But if you're holding out hope that these two sides

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Speaker 2: about UCE hoops, and I get tired as much as

430
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Speaker 2: anybody of just constantly playing remember when when it comes

431
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Speaker 2: to UC basketball. But I remember, and I don't remember

432
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Speaker 2: who did this, but I heard it on a show

433
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 2: and they said, you know, if you close your eyes,

434
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Speaker 2: you kind of have in your eyes, eye's mind, in

435
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Speaker 2: your mind's eye a vision of what a Cincinnati basketball

436
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: player looks like. And I think that carried forth for

437
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: the most part, once Mick got the Bearcats to the

438
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Speaker 2: point that they were in the NCAA Tournament every year,

439
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: I think you had this vision in your mind of

440
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Speaker 2: what a UC basketball player looked like. I think we

441
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 2: can do that with Houston. Now, we don't watch the

442
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: Cougars as closely maybe as we do the Bearcats. But

443
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: like I watched the Kougs, called the Kougs. I watched

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00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: their game against TCU on Wednesday, a game that they

445
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 2: were in pretty much complete control of, although they never

446
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: really totally pulled away, but it just it looked and

447
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: felt like your quintessential Houston victory. And if you get

448
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: tired of me talking about this, like I get it,

449
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 2: but it's true, Like they every time it felt like

450
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: somebody needed to make a play, somebody made a play

451
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Speaker 2: and and you just in your mind's eye like there's

452
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: they're good. Fundamentally, they're tough, they're all good rebounders, they

453
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Speaker 2: make the right pass like it's it's cliches. A lot

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Speaker 2: of this stuff sounds. I don't think that this year's

455
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Speaker 2: Houston team is athletic enough to win the national title.

456
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Speaker 2: They came painfully close last year. Obviously, I think this

457
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: team is a half rung beneath you know, Arizona and Yukon. Now,

458
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Speaker 2: if I was a Koogs fan, i'd feel like my

459
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 2: team has a chance to get back to a Sweet sixteen,

460
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Speaker 2: maybe get back to a Final four. But I talk

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Speaker 2: about this often, and it's true. In a day and

462
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: age where it has never been more difficult to carve

463
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Speaker 2: out and keep a program identity, they've managed to do so.

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Speaker 2: And if you're a college basketball fan on some level,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you don't admire that, And I

466
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Speaker 2: don't know how you're not extraordinarily jealous of it, and

467
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Speaker 2: I am. That game is at noon tomorrow one o'clock tomorrow,

468
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: Xavier takes on to Paul at the Cintas Center. XU

469
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 2: lost the first game eighty six to seventy seven. Musketeers

470
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 2: badly need a win if the idea is for the

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Speaker 2: season to not totally unravel, because the next two after

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Speaker 2: this one are on the road against Yukon and Saint John's.

473
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Speaker 2: Louisville hosts SMU Ohio State, which I think as a

474
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Speaker 2: sneaky talented team, takes on Wisconsin tomorrow. Miami looks for

475
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Speaker 2: a twenty second consecutive victory to open up the season.

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Speaker 2: Ron Harper is going to be on campus tomorrow, which

477
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Speaker 2: is cool as hell. Five time NBA champion Northern Illinois

478
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Speaker 2: the opponent. Three point thirty Tomorrow, Indiana's at UCLA. Kentucky

479
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: battles Arkansas in the latest John Caliperry Bowl. That game

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Speaker 2: in Fayetteville will tip off at six point thirty on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. What else do we have here locally? Hockey?

482
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Speaker 2: This weekend, Cyclones are going to be busy. Its Bank

483
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: Giveaway night as the Clones host Fort Wayne tonight, and

484
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 2: then tomorrow Star Wars matinee is Cincinnati host Bloomington, and

485
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 2: then on Sunday the Mascot Birthday matinee against Toledo. So

486
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 2: I got some daytime puck Saturday and Sunday after a

487
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: night game tonight. And speaking of hockey, the Redhawk Columbus

488
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 2: Blue Jackets, who have won seven of eight, are on

489
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Speaker 2: the road tonight against the Chicago Blackhawks. That is the

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Speaker 2: only game on tonight's NHL schedule. You are, I believe

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Speaker 2: up to date. I don't think we. I don't think

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Speaker 2: we left anything out. There's one other development here. I

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Speaker 2: saw it has been confirmed. I guess that Lou Holtz

494
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Speaker 2: has entered hospice care and a hugely significant figure in

495
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Speaker 2: college football. You know, you think of the high point

496
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: in my lifetime. I'm forty eight. The high point of

497
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: Notre Dame football was the nineteen eighty eight Notre Dame

498
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Speaker 2: fighting Irish. I am not a Notre Dame fan by

499
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Speaker 2: any stretch of the imagination. When I was growing up,

500
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Speaker 2: I didn't really have a favorite college football team. I've

501
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: told this story before. I did become a UC football

502
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: fan until I went to a basketball camp when I

503
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: was in high school and I was a huge Ucy

504
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: basketball fan, huge Ucy basketball fan, and like, one of

505
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Speaker 2: the counselors said, well, who's your favorite college football team?

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Speaker 2: And I just like blurted out Cincinnati. And then one

507
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: of the other kids is like, you know Cincinnati sucks, right,

508
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, do they? Like a couple of years

509
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: ago they lost eighty one nothing to Penn State. But like,

510
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: I'd watch college football with my dad, and my dad,

511
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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, he rooted against the Notre Dame. It

512
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Speaker 2: don't get mad at him. He's been passed for seventeen years,

513
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Speaker 2: and so he like his favorite team was whoever played

514
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame, and so it sort of a needle him

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Speaker 2: a little bit. Like I became a UC fan to

516
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: mess with him because he was a Kentucky fan. I

517
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: would at times just root for Notre Dame, even though

518
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say they were my favorite team because it

519
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: would just annoy my dad. You know, it's a big

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00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 2: deal in the early nineties when they got their own

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Speaker 2: deal on NBC. But the first year that I remember

522
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: being into college football was when Notre Dame won the

523
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: national championship in the old bowl system. Beat Major Harris

524
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Speaker 2: in West Virginia. I think in the Fiesta Ball it

525
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: could be wrong about the Bowl game, but won the

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Speaker 2: national title and Lou Holtz was the coach, and I

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Speaker 2: just I have fond memories of watching those games with

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Speaker 2: my dad. And I did not grow up to become

529
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Speaker 2: a Notre Dame fan, but that was this as a kid.

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Speaker 2: You know, Bobby Bowden was at Florida State, Jene Stallings

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Speaker 2: was at Alabama, and Notre Dame had Lou Holtz who

532
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Speaker 2: just despite his slight frame, seemed like bigger than all

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Speaker 2: of them, just as a kid. And I don't know

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Speaker 2: if in my lifetime I was in high school in

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, in my lifetime now, we obviously get

536
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Speaker 2: a lot of big time college football games in this

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Speaker 2: day and age, and the ways that we hype up

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00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: things now are different than we did back then. I

539
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: don't know if in my lifetime that there has ever

540
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Speaker 2: been more hype for a college football game than Notre

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Speaker 2: Dame in Florida State in nineteen ninety three, with Charlie

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Speaker 2: Ward playing future New York Nick Charlie Word playing for

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Speaker 2: Florida State, the game of the century, which Notre Dame

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00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: won and then lost the following week to Boston College.

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Speaker 2: Remember watching that game with my dad, and so it

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Speaker 2: made me sad to see that I don't know a

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Speaker 2: ton about Lou Holtz in his post broadcasting career. I don't,

548
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Speaker 2: frankly care. I didn't really find Lou Holtz as a

549
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: broadcaster all that entertaining or interesting. That's neither here nor there.

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Speaker 2: This was a hugely significant figure. And you know, then

551
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: as you get older and you kind of understand the

552
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: significance of Notre Dame football to the sport, to this

553
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Speaker 2: part of the country, and you understand the depths to

554
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: which that program had sunk, unfortunately under Jerry Faust. And

555
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: I mean there was a stretch from eighty eight when

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame won the title. By the way, they lost

557
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: one game in eighty nine, the regular season finale to Miami.

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Speaker 2: From eighty eight through ninety three, they went sixty four

559
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Speaker 2: to nine and one. And in the middle of all

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Speaker 2: that they got the NBC deal, so they were on TV.

561
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Speaker 2: Would felt like live every single week. I remember that

562
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Speaker 2: just being such a big deal, just as a as

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Speaker 2: a like an early teenager like the Notre Dame's got

564
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Speaker 2: their own television contract, and I just I remember that

565
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: stretch of time in my life, just learning as a

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Speaker 2: sports fan fondly and watching Notre Dame with my dad

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Speaker 2: and watching him root against him. I don't know, and

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Speaker 2: I don't never really got to why he hated Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I never I don't know that

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Speaker 2: he rooted for anybody as hard as he rooted for

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Speaker 2: whoever noted, I don't. I don't know that he liked

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Speaker 2: Lou Holtz. I don't know what it was, but I

573
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: would just agitate him and root for the Irish and

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Speaker 2: then you know, became a Bearcat fan, and it's like, yeah,

575
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Speaker 2: in the mid nineties, it's like those two entities were

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Speaker 2: on a playing entirely different sports. So I was sad

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Speaker 2: to see that Lou Holtz has entered hospice, somebody that

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Speaker 2: we have made fun of on this show for how

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Speaker 2: he spoke on television, but still hugely important figure. And

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Speaker 2: so was sad to see that he's nearing the end

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Speaker 2: stage of life because he's a big figure in college football,

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Speaker 2: an immensely huge figure at Notre Dame, and just for

583
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Speaker 2: me in my years growing up becoming a sports fan.

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Speaker 2: My introduction to college football was watching Notre Dame because

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Speaker 2: my dad was rooting against him, and so Lou Holtz

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Speaker 2: was on my TV. It felt like every single week

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Speaker 2: from the time I was in the sixth grade clear

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Speaker 2: through my high school years. So our thoughts and our

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Speaker 2: best wishes to Lou Holtz. It is eleven away from

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Speaker 2: four o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: have Halls of Fame plus rules to live by if

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Speaker 2: you're a boss, and I'll make that about two NFL teams,

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Speaker 2: not the Bengals. Coming up here in just a bit.

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Speaker 2: Also our guy James Arpeene with a Bengals offseason overview

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Speaker 2: in the five o'clock hour and the unsponsored college basketball

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Speaker 2: weekend tip off. There is a lot to get to

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Speaker 2: between now and uh six o'clock. Let me start with

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame thing really quick. We'll grab some

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Speaker 2: phone calls this hour as well. Five point three seven nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. So the Bill Belichick Hall of Fame snub,

643
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 2: if you will, has been I think the biggest story

644
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: in sports this week where the voters apparently who had

645
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: to say as to whether or not Bill Belichick is

646
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: gonna get in to not put Belichick in the Hall

647
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: of Fame, despite the fact he is the most accomplished

648
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 2: head coaching resume of all time. Two people have come

649
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: out who didn't vote for him and explained why, and

650
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily agree with what they did, but I

651
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 2: understand the explanation, and look, as a fan of Ken Anderson,

652
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: I could appreciate anybody who says I want Ken Anderson

653
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: to be in the Hall of Fame, and if he

654
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: gets in at the expense of Bill Belichick for a year,

655
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: then so be it. Unfortunately, and this is no knock

656
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: on Ken, who I desperately hopes hope get in, who

657
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: I desperately hope gets in. Easy for me to say,

658
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 2: I just think Belichick's resume is so good, so beyond reproach,

659
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: even with spygate. I don't know how you say no,

660
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: but my take on this has been that I believe

661
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: we've made Halls of Fame out to be more important

662
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: than they actually are, and if you make them out

663
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 2: to be less important, you don't emphasize them enough. Bill

664
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 2: Belichick's resume is awesome. It's awesome. With or without Hall

665
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: of Fame. You cannot talk about this sport's history. You

666
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: can't talk about the NFL in the twenty first century

667
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: without recognizing what Bill Belichick coach teams accomplished. By the way. Similarly,

668
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 2: you also can't talk about Bill Belichick's coaching career without

669
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: mentioning Spygate. I would talk about it without mentioning deflate

670
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: gate because that was a nothing burger. But you can't

671
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: help but mention spygate. Dude got fined to half a

672
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: million bucks. It caused the Patriots a draft pick, like

673
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: it was a thing. But my overall take, I have

674
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: felt this way for a while that if you listen

675
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 2: to people talk about the let's make it about football

676
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: and baseball, because we have a Major League Baseball team

677
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: here and an NFL team here. If you hear people

678
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: talk about those two institutions, they make them sound like

679
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: these mythical places that they're not. And I've been to

680
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: both many, many many years ago. I would go again.

681
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: If somebody's like, hey, road trip up to Canda, go

682
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 2: check out the Hall of Fame, I'd say, cool, let's

683
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 2: go like. Nothing against those buildings, nothing against those institutions,

684
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: nothing against the people who run them, nothing against Hall

685
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: of Fame inductions, Hall of Fame induction ceremonies. For me,

686
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: I watch every year in the three sports I care

687
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 2: about most, I love Hall of Fame induction speeches. Hall

688
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 2: of Fame induction speech where you have somebody at the

689
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: pinnacle of their profession who usually speak with such great humility.

690
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 2: They tell stories about the people who help them get there.

691
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: They're usually filled with such gratitude, which people in this

692
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: day and age rarely express to the degree they should.

693
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame induction speeches are awesome. But I just

694
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: feel like one of the reasons why we get so

695
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: worked up about who does and doesn't get in is

696
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: we've made those institutions, those museums, to be bigger and

697
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: more important than they are. We've made them out to

698
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: be these institutions that validate someone's career. Bill Belichick's career

699
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 2: doesn't need validating, Neither do most all time greats. By

700
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: the way, Bob Huggins is not in the University of

701
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: Cincinnati's Athletics Hall of Fame. Bob Huggins now were there

702
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: things that occurred during Bob's sixteen year run at UC

703
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: that weren't great? Of course? Did it end in maybe

704
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: one of the ugliest public divorces in the history of

705
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 2: Cincinnati sports? Not even maybe? Yes? Was that dude's body

706
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: of work incredible? Can you tell the story of U

707
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: SEE Athletics without spending considerable time on Bob Huggins and

708
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 2: his teams and what they accomplished and the amount of

709
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: people they turned into UC fans myself included. That guy's

710
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 2: not in the Hall of Fame, James P. Kelly Athletics

711
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, you see, is extraordinarily cool. I'm honored

712
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: to know and work with some Hall of Fame inductees,

713
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: extraordinarily proud. Tony Pike, Dan Horde, Jim Kelly, a lot

714
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: of former basketball and football players that I've watched, some

715
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: of whom I've gotten to know. But I don't need

716
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 2: UC's Hall of Fame to tell me how great Bob

717
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: Huggins was, how impactful he was at that school, how

718
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: much he meant to that basketball program, how much he

719
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: meant to sports in this area. I don't need it.

720
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,959
Speaker 2: If he gets in, awesome, I'll be thrilled for him,

721
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: as I was thrilled when he got inducted into the

722
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: National Basketball Hall of Fame. But think about that, one

723
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: of the two or three people who has most identified

724
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: or who the school's athletic department is most identified with,

725
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: is in the National Basketball Hall of Fame. It's not

726
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: in UC's. Maybe there's good reasons for that. I don't know.

727
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: I wrote about it once for Bearcat Journal dot com.

728
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: Some folks that you see who are no longer there

729
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: got mad at me. Okay, fine, maybe he's in one day,

730
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: maybe he's not. I would put him in. I don't

731
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: need UC's Athletics Hall of Fame, as cool as it is,

732
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: to validate Bob Huggins and tell me what he did

733
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: and didn't do. Joey Vado should be in Cooper soown.

734
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: As far as I'm concerned, I understand the case is

735
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: maybe not as open and shut as I would like

736
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: for it to be. If he doesn't get in, and

737
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: I think he will, might not get in the first ballot,

738
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: I don't need a bunch of baseball writers to validate

739
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: Joey Vado's career. By the way, neither does Joey Vado himself,

740
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: So I didn't say we shouldn't have them, would never

741
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: say that we should have them. They're fun there. They

742
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: usually appropriately celebrate the inductees and the sports that they're

743
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame of. But you listen to people

744
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 2: get worked up, like in this day and age, we're

745
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: addicted to outrage and anger, and so you know, you

746
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: and I both know there are folks, especially on the Internet, who,

747
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: like every waking moment, is looking for something to be

748
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: angry about. And the Bill Belichick snub earlier this week

749
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 2: gave those people their hit, Like, Okay, cool, I need

750
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: something to be angry about this. I can be angry

751
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: about this for five minutes and then I'll move on

752
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: to something else. Like I understand how that works too,

753
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 2: But I believe if we lessen the importance of these

754
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 2: Halls of Fame, we won't get as angry. I think

755
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: a lot of us as sports fans, are looking for

756
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: these voters to, like, you know, give a stamp of

757
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: approval to athletes that we love. I thought it was

758
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: awesome when Barry Larkin got into Cooperstown, my all time

759
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: favorite baseball player, badly wanted to go, badly wanted to

760
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: go to that induction ceremony, remember carving out time for

761
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: the induction in twenty twelve. But when he didn't get in,

762
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: I didn't feel any less about Barry Larkin. When he

763
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: did get in, I didn't feel any better about what

764
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: I watched for eighteen years and how I wore number

765
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: eleven because he did. And I almost feel like we

766
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: have folks who are looking for the Hall of Fame's validation,

767
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, man, I kind of believe in life,

768
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: don't look for someone else's validation. You don't need it.

769
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick does not need the Hall of Fame's validation,

770
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: Barry Bonds doesn't need the Hall of Fame's validation, and

771
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: know neither does Pete Rose.

772
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 6: That's it.

773
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: No one's saying don't have Halls of Fame. Hall of

774
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: Fame discussions can be some of the most fun and

775
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: lively you can have. I wish they were done sometimes

776
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: with a little bit more civility. I wish they were

777
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: done at times with folks speaking with more information behind

778
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: their argument. But those are some who which sports fan

779
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: hasn't done that sat with their buddies over a cold

780
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: one debating the Hall of Fame merits of people. My

781
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: best friends and I we've done that. Man. I have

782
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: a very good friend of mine. He and I were

783
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: talking about Cecil Cooper's Hall of Fame bonafides two weeks

784
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: ago over dinner. Like, I enjoy those discussions, but I

785
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: just think the the the institutions themselves, we have made

786
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: out to be bigger and more important than they actually are.

787
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 2: They're museums. They're they're they're they're they're nice museums. There

788
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: are museums that are fun to visit. They're museums. There's

789
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 2: no reason to make those museums mythical or sacred. And

790
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 2: like I and maybe a different type of sports fan

791
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: that I view a lot of things as not sacred

792
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: that a lot of people do view as sacred. Right, Like,

793
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: whenever there's some sort of you know, massive change in

794
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: a sport rule change, it's you know, it's treated as

795
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: it's you know. I remember when the National League had

796
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: to adopt the d H a number of years ago.

797
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: I mean, there were folks who thought, like they would

798
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: make you believe a pitcher getting to hit was like

799
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: some sacred thing, and I'm like, it's a game with

800
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 2: a rule change, a nothing sacred about watching a pitcher

801
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: strike out. Nothing sacred about any of this stuff, nothing

802
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: sacred about a Hall of fame, so less than the

803
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: importance to some of this stuff. And I think as

804
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: a sports fan, you'll be a lot happier. And at

805
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: the end of the day, isn't that what we all want,

806
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 2: just to be happier. I think the answer is yes.

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Speaker 2: five minutes looking forward to that. Nobody wanted to coach

812
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: the Browns. Apparently nobody wants to coach the Raiders either.

813
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: There are lessons there. We'll get to that, and we'll

814
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: spend a few minutes on Joey Vado as well. On

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Speaker 2: One would argue successfully that I have babbled long enough,

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Speaker 2: so we're going to talk to other people. Five one three,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty is our fun?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

832
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 2: What do we have here? Joe? You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Joe,

833
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Speaker 2: go ahead, good afternoon. How are you? I'm doing a lot.

834
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Speaker 6: How about yourself?

835
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: Never been better in my life, Joe, what's up?

836
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 7: Hey?

837
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 8: I think the Hall of Fame would mean more if

838
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 8: if your peers voted for you instead of sports writers.

839
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 8: I don't think sports writers know enough about the sport to,

840
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 8: you know, to have a vote. I think they should

841
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 8: all get rid of their votes somehow.

842
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think they know a lot about

843
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 2: the sport. Now, you know, when it comes to the

844
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: Baseball Hall of Fame, when you when you get to

845
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: some of the various committees. There are former players and

846
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: Hall of famers who are often on those committees, and

847
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: so they do have a say, I don't I don't

848
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: know that the results, the overall results of Hall of

849
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: Fame voting would be that much different if we had

850
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: players or former players voting versus writers.

851
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 8: You don't see, I do I think that.

852
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 2: No.

853
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 8: I think they're way more knowledgeable about the intricacies of

854
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 8: the sports, what it takes to get to those as

855
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 8: oppose those people like you and I or sports writers.

856
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, I don't think there's any denying that. But

857
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: I think when it comes to like looking at one

858
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: player's resume versus other contemporaries or other players, let's say

859
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: it's baseball. Let's say it's you know, you're looking at

860
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: a at a third basement. All right, well, let's let's

861
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 2: let's look at his resume versus other third basement in

862
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame, versus other third basement that he

863
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 2: played against. Let's let's consider some of the contextual factors

864
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: involved here, like you know, how how much he actually

865
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 2: helped his team win. Maybe look at some of the

866
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: mitigating factors that he may have had to overcome. I

867
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: think for the most part, I think, for the most part,

868
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 2: the writers do a good job. Now, I think there

869
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 2: are some rules that even they would push back at

870
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 2: when it comes to Hall of Fame voting that limit

871
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 2: the number of people you could check off. I think

872
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: the Pro Football Hall of Fame's ballot it has Ken

873
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: Anderson against Bill Belichick. It's silly to do that. I

874
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: don't know that the writers necessarily do a bad job,

875
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: and I don't know that you would get dramatically different

876
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: results if we had athletes. You will still have personal biases,

877
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: You might even have some grudges based on competing with

878
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: one athlete head to head. I certainly wouldn't be opposed

879
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 2: to expanding the voter base, but I don't know why

880
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 2: it has to be either or why can't it be

881
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: you know, let's again, let's say in baseball, why wouldn't

882
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: a guy like Bob Costas have a vote? Why wouldn't

883
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 2: a guy like the late Joe Morgan when he was

884
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: still commentating on games, Why why wouldn't he have the

885
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 2: same vote that a baseball writer does before it went

886
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: to a veterans committee or something like that.

887
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 6: Okay, thanks for checking my call.

888
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: Appreciate it, Joe anytime. Thank you for listening, Thanks for

889
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 2: checking in. Five point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty. Matthew,

890
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 2: you're on ESPN fifteen thirty.

891
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, why don't we just let the fans vote for

892
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 7: the Hall of Fame.

893
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 9: Then we could get Shador Sanders.

894
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 6: In the Hall of Fame too one day.

895
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm angry at, though,

896
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 9: I'm angry at all the people. I'm angry at all

897
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 9: the people that are angry that Belichick didn't get in

898
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 9: first ballot because the reason he's not getting in correct

899
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 9: me if I'm wrong, is he affected negatively the integrity

900
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 9: of the game by spy game, he cheated, and you know,

901
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 9: arguably the best coach all time. But I don't hear

902
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 9: any of these talking heads coming up to bat. You know,

903
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 9: pun intended for Pete Rose getting in the Hall of

904
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 9: Fame posthumiously. I mean, yes, he infected the tag, he

905
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 9: affected the integrity of baseball by gambling on it, but

906
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 9: he says that he didn't affect the outcome of the games.

907
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 9: So I don't know if that was ever proven or not.

908
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 6: I don't think it was.

909
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 9: So it is something that yes, he gambled on the game,

910
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 9: but Dave affect the outcome of the game like Spygate

911
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 9: affected the Greatest Show on Turf ending by recording their practices.

912
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 6: I don't know.

913
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 9: I don't understand why everybody up in arms over Bill

914
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 9: Belichick not getting in first ballot. He's gonna get in,

915
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 9: But it just seems kind of contradictory and a little

916
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 9: hypocritical in my you know, high I'm hyperbolic like everybody

917
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 9: else these days. I get mad at the drop of

918
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 9: the hat. You know, I have to wait, I have

919
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 9: to wait on Bold to get on the air with you.

920
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 6: It makes me mad.

921
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 7: So you know, it's one of those things.

922
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: So I think, let me let so a couple of

923
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 2: things here are. Here are some differences. First of all,

924
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 2: it's it would be inaccurate to say that nobody's up

925
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: in arms about Pete Rose not being in the Hall

926
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 2: of Fame. I think you and I both know there's

927
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 2: a lot of people up in arms about people in

928
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame, built built. Bill Belichick is eligible

929
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 2: to be voted on. Pete Rose has never been eligible

930
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 2: to be voted on. Now that's gonna change next year,

931
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: I think, in a year and a half in the

932
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: winner of twenty seven to twenty eight. But to this point,

933
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: like Bill Belichick was at least put on a ballot,

934
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 2: Pete Rose has never been put on a ballot. It's

935
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: a very fair discussion as to whether or not had

936
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 2: he ever been on a writer's ballot he would have

937
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 2: gotten the seventy five percent of votes. My guess is

938
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: he would not have. But at least the voters have

939
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: had a crack at Bill Belichick. With Pete Rose, they've

940
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 2: had no crack at him. Baseball does have a character clause.

941
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: In my opinion, Baseball should not have a Baseball's Hall

942
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: of Fame should not have a character clause. And the

943
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: thinking for me is baseball writers are good at telling

944
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 2: us who the best baseball players are. They're not good

945
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: at telling us who the best people are. Football has

946
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: no character clause. Now, you also said something like I

947
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 2: don't love painting with a broad brush. There have been

948
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 2: there have been two writers that I have seen that

949
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: have explained why they didn't vote for Belichick, and their

950
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 2: rationale was not so much Spygate, although they considered it

951
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: it was. There are people like else Greenwood, Ken Anderson,

952
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 2: and Roger Craig on the ballot who have been waiting forever.

953
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: You know, we're talking about players who have been out

954
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 2: of the game for decades, decades. And the explanation was,

955
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 2: and this does have merit, but the explanation was, these

956
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: three men have been waiting forever. This is Bill Belichick's

957
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 2: first crack at it. I want to ensure that these

958
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: three guys get in, and then Belichick will get in

959
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 2: next year. I don't necessarily know that that would be

960
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 2: my approach. I frankly don't think that those three guys

961
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 2: should be on the same ballot as Bill Belichick. But

962
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: I think when you're talking about as many as or

963
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 2: as few as eleven people not voting for Belichick, chances

964
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: are there was someone who said Spygate did it for me.

965
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: It would be unsurprising if there's someone who said Bill

966
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 2: Belichick was a jerk to me at a press conference.

967
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 2: It would be unsurprising if someone said, I just don't

968
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: think there should be anybody on the first We haven't

969
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: had a first ballot coach in a very long time.

970
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 2: I'm not putting a coach on my ballot when it's

971
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 2: his first crack at it. I don't know that there's

972
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 2: any one reason, but are there some voters potentially who

973
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 2: said I'm gonna hold the spygate thing against him. Sure?

974
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: What I wish is there would be a level of

975
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 2: transparency that told us why each who each person voted for,

976
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 2: and then you know, if pressed, they can give us

977
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 2: an explanation as to why.

978
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 6: Well, let me ask you this.

979
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 7: Let me just say this before I get off.

980
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 9: My personal belief is the writers that didn't vote for

981
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 9: him are haters because they're jealous of him Dayton, that

982
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 9: beautiful woman, Jordan Hudson.

983
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 6: So I'll leave it at that.

984
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, Matthew, thank you for the phone call.

985
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 2: Have a great weekend. If jealousy was a guiding force

986
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 2: behind someone's Hall of Fame ballot, nobody would ever get

987
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 2: into the Hall of Fame. Look, man, I understand the

988
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 2: explanation that some of the writers have offered, which is

989
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 2: I wanted to vote in Anderson and Roger Craig and

990
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 2: Else Greenwood, all three I believe should have been in

991
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame a long time ago. Ken Anderson

992
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: obviously around here we all love and want him to

993
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 2: get in. I think it's ridiculous I was actually surprised

994
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: when I saw that Roger Craig wasn't in the Hall

995
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 2: of Fame a few years ago, because I assumed he was,

996
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: like you talk about, like one of the dominant players

997
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 2: of his era, and maybe the shelf life wasn't as long,

998
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: but holy Crappy was good. I just think like Belichick's

999
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: resume as such that you don't look at him and

1000
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 2: say no, even if you're doing something relatively noble to

1001
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 2: say yes to three people who have waited too long.

1002
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 2: But like again, it's you're not as angry about it

1003
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 2: if you lessen like the Pete Rose thing. I don't

1004
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: know if Pete Rose is going to get to Cooperstown

1005
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 2: when it's finally his era's turned to be up for induction.

1006
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 2: I don't know that he's gonna get enough votes because

1007
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: you can't find you can barely find enough people to

1008
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 2: agree that it's cold outside. You talk about, like the

1009
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 2: most polarizing topic in sports in decades has been on

1010
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: Pete Rose, his Hall of Fame eligibility, his Hall of

1011
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 2: Fame candidacy, his Hall of Fame worthiness. So we're gonna

1012
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: get enough people to say yes to him? I am

1013
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: very skeptical that that's gonna be the case. How I

1014
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 2: look at it is like the forty two, one hundred

1015
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 2: and fifty six hits happened, the twenty three big league

1016
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: seasons happened. Being the face of a generationally great team

1017
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: in the seventies happened. Being the athlete of the nineteen

1018
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 2: seventies happened. Batting titles happened, World Series MVP, Regular Season MVP.

1019
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: Those things happened. The records happened. As a fan, I

1020
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 2: don't need a bunch of Cooperstown voters to validate what happened.

1021
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: How I feel about Pete Rose, the player is not

1022
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 2: going to change based on whether or not he's voted

1023
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 2: into a museum where he gets a plaque that's probably

1024
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 2: not even gonna look like him in a museum hall

1025
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 2: that most of us are never going to walk into. Yes,

1026
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: we should have halls of fame, of course we should,

1027
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: but they're not these sacred, mythical places that we make

1028
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 2: them out to be. That's it. He's speaking of Joey Vado,

1029
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 2: future Hall of Famer. He's now a future NBC broadcaster,

1030
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 2: or he's at least close to being one. And I

1031
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: think that's interesting. See if you do as well. Plus,

1032
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 2: more of your phone calls are coming up on ESPN

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1060
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,200
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01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,959
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1067
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,959
Speaker 2: is on the road against Arkansas. Tip off at six thirty,

1068
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 2: pregame at five on ESPN fifteen thirty. Yes, I made

1069
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 2: a mistake on the radio called Ron Harper, Derek Harper,

1070
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 2: I won't, I won't do that if we get him on.

1071
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 2: What else do we have? The Cincinnati Cyclones play hockey

1072
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 2: tonight at home on Bank Giveaway Night. Banks look cool

1073
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 2: taking on Fort Wayne Puck drops seven point thirty Mattne's

1074
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: Tomorrow and Sunday. Blue Jackets skate on the road tonight.

1075
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 2: Jackets are playing well one seven of eight on the

1076
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 2: road tonight against the Chicago Blackhawks. Joey Vado is reportedly

1077
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 2: pretty close to signing with NBC to be a part

1078
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 2: of their Major League Baseball broadcasts. I think that will

1079
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: be awesome. There was a side of Joey Vado's personality

1080
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 2: that he exhibited over his last five six years that

1081
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 2: we didn't see the first ten twelve or so, including

1082
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 2: some time in the booth doing some TV when he

1083
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 2: was injured toward the end of his time here. And

1084
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be terrific. You're talking about

1085
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 2: somebody who's deeply analytical, very honest, it's got a good

1086
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: sense of humor, and you sort of gather we'll take

1087
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 2: his craft seriously, you know, is he going to be

1088
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 2: as bigger than life as some broadcasters feel they need

1089
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: to be, and as many do need to be. We'll see,

1090
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 2: but I think we'll actually be excellent. We'll see, we'll see.

1091
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 2: Hopefully the deal gets done. Uh, Mike waiting patiently. You're

1092
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty. Mike, Good afternoon. How are you? Mike,

1093
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 2: good afternoon? How are you well? I hope he's okay.

1094
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 2: Mike good at one more shot at it? Mike, good afternoon,

1095
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 2: how are you.

1096
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 7: I'm good? Wrong button, I hit the button. Sorry, well,

1097
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 7: never hit the wrong button. Well, I just had chemo orlayers.

1098
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 7: I kind of wigged. But anyway, thanks for taking my call, tearing.

1099
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 7: You're a gentleman as well.

1100
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 6: Hey, by the.

1101
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 7: Way, when you went to Oxford the other night, did

1102
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 7: you happen to drive down? I guess it's Main Street

1103
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 7: and there was used to be an infamous bar there

1104
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 7: called the Boar's Head. Did you happen to.

1105
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 6: Buy that place?

1106
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 2: I did not know.

1107
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 7: I did not, Okay, yeah, famous place. I don't know

1108
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 7: if it's still there. I remember. Do you remember a

1109
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 7: group from Cincinnati called the Women Pipers that did a

1110
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 7: song called My Green Tambourine. I can't say that I

1111
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 7: do yeah, famous song it was, you know, on the

1112
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 7: charts and all that stuff. Yeah, it was a local

1113
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 7: group from Adahaide Park. Yeah, the Goshlyn Brothers, very famous.

1114
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 7: You were talking about uh oh something and uh, I

1115
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 7: remember an impression on you. Well, no, it's just my

1116
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 7: memory is not that good, moll right now, it's trying

1117
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 7: to be.

1118
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 2: But I understand.

1119
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 7: I remember. I remember years ago, uh, when I was

1120
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 7: back for a while to sin and I would go

1121
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 7: down to the syndicate there in Newport. I don't know

1122
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 7: if it's still there. It might be right across from

1123
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 7: the tea spell. And I used to see Hugs come

1124
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 7: out of there quite a bit at night, feeling his oats,

1125
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 7: shall we say, And he was right as a gentleman.

1126
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 7: But Hugs was Hugs like the party a little bit,

1127
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 7: that's for sure. There was no question a Hug like

1128
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 7: the party.

1129
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 2: There is no denying that.

1130
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 7: But so what, I don't care, so so.

1131
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 2: So do we?

1132
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 7: So I ain't can anybody?

1133
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,919
Speaker 2: Yes, I tell you, let me tell you something, Mike,

1134
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 2: if if, if, if you see me walking out of

1135
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 2: an establishment about twelve thirty this evening, you'll be able

1136
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 2: to say the same thing about.

1137
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 7: Me exactly Yeah, I love your humility. It's good. Bo.

1138
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 7: I heard jim I hate I'm done with this Belichick thing.

1139
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 7: But I did hear Jimmy Johnson say that his teams

1140
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 7: used to try to do the deplay thing and that

1141
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 7: it was happening around the league. Those guys got caught. Whatever,

1142
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 7: Who cares, I'll move on. How about uh, how today

1143
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 7: was really funny at the Australian Open. Not that well,

1144
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 7: there are tennis fans in Cincinnati. I know there are

1145
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,439
Speaker 7: a lot of them. Yeah, and yes, today we had

1146
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 7: today we had listen to it for a byeline. Today

1147
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 7: we had the Center versus the Joker.

1148
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 2: Oh how about that? Did you? Were you up in

1149
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 2: the middle of the night watching Jokovic versus Cinner.

1150
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 7: You're damn right.

1151
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 8: I was.

1152
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 7: That was and very Roker pulled it out. Yeah, I was, man,

1153
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 7: it was. I couldn't sleep. I was uncomfortable. It was

1154
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 7: Oh the jokers just because he's not a kidnapped brother

1155
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 7: and and centers the deal. But I thought it was cool.

1156
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 7: They McEnroe said, it's the Center versus the versus the Joker.

1157
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so we're gonna get We're gonna get the

1158
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 2: Joker versus Alcaaz, right, yep, ye, Well, yeah, he's very

1159
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 2: he's very very young, but he's a he's a great player, right,

1160
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 2: so he's yeah, that's gonna be a great final. So

1161
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 2: you watched all five? What time did that wrap up?

1162
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 2: What time did that end?

1163
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 7: Boy? It was after four o'clock in the morning. I

1164
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 7: know that. Yeah, I know it was after four and

1165
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 7: it might have been later. Sun might have been coming up.

1166
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 7: I never know. See.

1167
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I go ahead, Like what else is on

1168
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 2: your mind?

1169
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 7: I hurt. Well, I got a bunch of stuff, So

1170
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 7: I'm trying to fly through there, just as what's so there?

1171
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 7: The Super Bowl does sell so many tickets and revenue

1172
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 7: and stuff. But this guy heard today talking about the

1173
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 7: World Cup. They're gonna sell a billion tickets worldwide for

1174
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 7: the World Cup. A billion tickets. That's Super Bowls to

1175
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 7: the various World Cup events, soccer events.

1176
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 2: Mathematically, how's that going to work? They're playing in football

1177
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 2: stadiums in North America. There aren't enough games for the

1178
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 2: for the attendance to equal a billion.

1179
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 7: Well, I don't know. I didn't hear the details, but

1180
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 7: his point was that the revenue from the wall how

1181
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 7: many people.

1182
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: I mean there might be a there might be a Yeah.

1183
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 2: I mean it's a worldwide event, like I but like revenue.

1184
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, forget a billion. Yes, the

1185
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 2: World Cup is more than one game. It's played at

1186
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 2: what twelve or thirteen different venues in North America. If

1187
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 2: it didn't dwarf the Super Bowl, I would say that

1188
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 2: that was a major upset. But I don't know that

1189
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 2: a billion people are going to attend soccer games in

1190
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 2: North America. I don't know off the top of my

1191
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 2: head how many World Cup games there will be. But

1192
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 2: if you took that number and multiplied it by the capacity,

1193
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 2: the average capacity of all the venues, you're not going

1194
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 2: to get a billion people.

1195
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 7: Yeah. Well, my problem is I know zero about soccer.

1196
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:27,600
Speaker 7: I just heard the guy say it, and then they

1197
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 7: talked about it for a while, and I thought, well,

1198
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 7: I know he's not, you know, making this stuff up.

1199
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 7: I just I just thought I'd run to buy.

1200
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it'll be I think it'd be cool

1201
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 2: to have that. I think it'll be cool to have

1202
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 2: that event on North American soil. And I'll just say

1203
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 2: that I hope everybody who attends has a really good time.

1204
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 7: I do too, I want to get to the Billickins

1205
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 7: in just a second. But before that, I told Tony

1206
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 7: and them Today I don't know if you heard it.

1207
01:08:56,320 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 7: So the other morning somehow that Today O was on.

1208
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 7: I don't watch you know, I flipped it on once

1209
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 7: a while and John they were gonna have John coug

1210
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 7: Mellencamp coming on their show soon to his upcoming tour

1211
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 7: or whatever. And he's on a treadmill, though, Mellencamp's on

1212
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 7: a treadmill smoking smoke.

1213
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 2: He was he was smoking a cigarette while he was

1214
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 2: on a treadmill.

1215
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:26,919
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, and as nonchalant about it as you could imagine.

1216
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 6: And he was.

1217
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 7: They were talking to him with a little interview, and

1218
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 7: he was he had his cigarette. This guy I.

1219
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 2: Like, I like, I missed that. I liked. I like

1220
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,560
Speaker 2: to watch it Today show. I like Savannah Guthrie.

1221
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, she just got over some big, big throat deal.

1222
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 7: She had to have surgery to get her voice larynx

1223
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 7: prepaired or whatever. Yeah, she's a sweetheart. She's a lawyer,

1224
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 7: you know, she's an attorney. Yes, the Saint Louis Billickins.

1225
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 7: What a wonderful story. And you know what, it takes

1226
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 7: me back to and I know you don't like it

1227
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 7: when we go back in the old days because you're

1228
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 7: forty four and you're old, but you're still young.

1229
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 2: But in the ocean, go ahead.

1230
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:09,719
Speaker 6: In the old.

1231
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 7: Missouri Valley Conference, it was Ucy, Louisville Ulsa, the Golden Hurricane,

1232
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 7: the Wichita State wheat Chokers, the Saint Louis Bullikans, the

1233
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 7: Drake Bulldogs with McCoy McLamore, who for some reason sticks

1234
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 7: out in my mind, but nobody knows the nickname. I've

1235
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 7: asked twenty five people today if they knew the mascot

1236
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 7: of the of Saint Louis and they said no. And

1237
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 7: I bet most people hang.

1238
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 2: On the second. So wait, wait, hang on a second here.

1239
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 2: So have you really talked to twenty five people today?

1240
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 7: Yeah? At a hospital. I talked to fifty people today

1241
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 7: at a hospital.

1242
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 2: There's only people walking around, like six all right, So okay,

1243
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 2: So folks are walking by and you go, hey, excuse me,

1244
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 2: let me ask you a question. They go, yeah, what's up?

1245
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 2: You go, what is the name of the man Scott

1246
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 2: of Saint Louis University. That's that's the conversation starter.

1247
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 7: I go, yeah, I was getting a CT scan today

1248
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 7: and I asked a couple of the people getting ready

1249
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 7: to do my CT scan, I said, you like basketball?

1250
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 7: I said yeah, I said, you ever heard of the

1251
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 7: team from Saint Louis College bascall, Do you know the nickname?

1252
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 4: No?

1253
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 7: Of course they were all.

1254
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 2: Cincinnati. They don't know the name of the Pulicans.

1255
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 7: Oh no, I'm not here in Cincinnati anymore. I'm back

1256
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 7: out in California. Oh God, that's right.

1257
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 2: So sometimes sometimes so when I when I you know,

1258
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 2: when I was in my my, my, my ultimate years

1259
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 2: of fandom with U see basketball in the nineties, you

1260
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 2: see in the Billickins had some great games. Ninety five

1261
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 2: great Midwest Conference Tournament title game, the first conference tournament

1262
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 2: I ever traveled to. I was a senior in high school.

1263
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 2: You see played Saint Louis in the title game. Lazelle Durton,

1264
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,759
Speaker 2: the gun Slinger, my favorite all time. You see nickname

1265
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 2: the gun Slinger. Lazelle Durden makes a shot with two

1266
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 2: point one seconds to go. Saint Louis had a kid

1267
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 2: named Irwin Claggett, very good guard. Irwin catches a pass

1268
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 2: at about the free throw line and unfurls a mid

1269
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 2: court jumper, a heave more than a jumper, and it

1270
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 2: hits the front of the rim, it almost goes in.

1271
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 2: So if you're a Bearcat fan, like as I am,

1272
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 2: the Saint Louis Billickins hold a very soft spot in

1273
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 2: your heart because you see, in Saint Louis played in

1274
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 2: a lot of really fun games. They had back in

1275
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 2: the day, guys like Scott Himark and h Waldman and

1276
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 2: then later on Larry Hughes who went on to have

1277
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 2: a really successful NBA career. Larry Hughes was a heck

1278
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Speaker 2: of a player. But they had they had Charlie spoon Oer,

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Speaker 2: Charlie Spoonower. Charlie Spoonauer was the coach, and he and

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01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 2: Bob Huggins were best friends, and they would do shows

1281
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 2: with each other, in the postgame show with each other,

1282
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 2: and it was awesome. And he had some really, really,

1283
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 2: really good teams in Saint Louis. And I've been and

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01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 2: you see in Saint Louis haven't been in the same

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Speaker 2: conference now for a very long time. They were in

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Speaker 2: the Great Midwest together, they were in Conference USA together.

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Speaker 2: But I've been to you see Saint Louis games in

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Speaker 2: in st in the Missouri Valley. I've been to some

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Speaker 2: UC Saint Louis games in Saint Louis, and when the

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Speaker 2: Billickans are good, that town shows up. And now they're good,

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01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 2: they're a point away from being undefeated. Uh, they've They've

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Speaker 2: got Josh Shirtz who had been the head coach at

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Speaker 2: Indiana State when they were really good a couple of

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Speaker 2: seasons ago, and he has that program as right now

1295
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 2: the best one in the Atlantic Ten. They take on

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Speaker 2: the Dayton Flyers tonight. And yes, if you're a Cincinnati fan,

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Speaker 2: chances are you have a very soft spot in your

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01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 2: heart for the Saint Louis Billickans because of the games

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Speaker 2: that you see in Saint Louis played and so not

1300
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 2: so much out there in LA. But you ask any

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01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 2: basketball fan here what's Saint Louis's mascot, they will spit

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01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 2: it out instantly. It's the Billickins.

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Speaker 7: I just earlier, when you brought that up, I was

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01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 7: so happy because I was unaware of it, and then

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01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 7: I thought, that's really cool. Moe brought up to Saint

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01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 7: Louis Milligan is that that's a Catholic school, isn't it?

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01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 7: I believe it is.

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01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 2: It is it is a Catholic school.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if it's Franciscan or Jesuit. I'm not

1310
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 7: sure about that. But I'm surprised they're not in the

1311
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 7: Big East. I'm surprised they never went in the Big

1312
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 7: East because everybody in the Big East is a pretty

1313
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 7: much Catholic school, I think, isn't it.

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01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 2: Uh, everyone except Yukon. There's a politician in Missouri and

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01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 2: one in Ohio who are partnering to try to get

1316
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Speaker 2: Saint Louis and Dayton the Big East. I don't think

1317
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 2: that that's that that's gonna happen, you, Mike. I always

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Speaker 2: enjoy hearing from you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Sure.

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01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 2: As a Dayton grad, Yeah, i'd go from the the

1322
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 2: Atlantic ten to the Big East. I don't think it's

1323
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 2: gonna happen, but I think it would be cool if

1324
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Speaker 2: it did. All right, Mike, It's always good to hear

1325
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Speaker 2: from you. Have a have a have a great weekend.

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Speaker 2: Not away from four o'clock. Uh. The James Rapine off

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Speaker 2: That's happy. Enter it now. So, who is the player

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Speaker 2: we most want the Bengals to side in free agency?

1345
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Speaker 2: And who is the player we most want the Bengals

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Speaker 2: to take? Who's there with the tenth overall pick? We're

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Speaker 2: going gets to those questions and more with our guy

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Speaker 2: James Rapine in just a few minutes plus later on

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Speaker 2: this hour, the unsponsored Weekend tip Off as we roll

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Speaker 2: through all of this weekend's area college basketball games, including

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Speaker 2: one you'll hear tonight on ESPN fifteen thirty with NKU

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Speaker 2: on the road against Detroit Mercy pregame at six thirty,

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Speaker 2: tip off at seven o'clock with Jim Kelch and Rick Brooring.

1354
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 2: So this is something that James Repine and I have

1355
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 2: done every year for a while where we wait a

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01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 2: few weeks after the season ends and a few weeks

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Speaker 2: before the offseason can really begin, and we kind of

1358
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 2: run through all the different offseason storylines and I'm sure

1359
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 2: we'll leave some out, but we'll hit all the big ones.

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Speaker 2: James is with us, you know his work, of course

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Speaker 2: from being a part of this station ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: But more than anything, the Locked On Bengals podcast entered

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Speaker 2: the Jungle Bengals Talk dot com. It's awesome to have you.

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Speaker 2: Did I leave anything out?

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Speaker 6: I don't think so. Probably, but I don't think so.

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Speaker 6: I think you covered it pretty very good.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, there's there's a lot for you and

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Speaker 2: I to cover. I'll start with the question of the week.

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Speaker 2: Are you ready?

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Speaker 6: I'm ready?

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Speaker 2: Who is the best coach in the AFC North Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy, and I don't understand why everybody's pretending like

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01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy hasn't won sixty one percent of his games

1374
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 6: there was love a coach that wins sixty one percent

1375
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 6: of his regular season games. And I'm not saying the

1376
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 6: Bengal should have fired Zach Taylor, that I or Mike McCarthy.

1377
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 6: With this idea that Mike McCarthy is somehow worse than

1378
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 6: Zach Taylor. Will show me where where that on paper

1379
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 6: makes any sense. So Mike McCarthy is the best head

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01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 6: coach in the AFC North. I'm not sure it's close.

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01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 6: That might not be the case a year from now,

1382
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 6: but today, my man Mike is certainly the guy at

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01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 6: the top of the podium.

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Speaker 2: You're going with my man Mike, Huh? Interesting, Well, yeah

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01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 2: I am.

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01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 6: I'm going with my man Mike because I feel like,

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01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 6: for some reason he's become a social media punchline. And

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01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 6: by the way, maybe that's deserved. But my non man,

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01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 6: Sean Payton deserves plenty of criticism as well. And now

1390
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 6: we're getting into the NFL and you had me on

1391
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 6: the top Bengals, but Sean Payton is just as big

1392
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 6: of a loser in the playoffs and chokes so many

1393
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,799
Speaker 6: of these big games away. And so yeah, Sean Payton,

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01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy, Spider Man, mean same guy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, very good. I like that very good, sort of

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01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 2: sort of hot takey, which I like it. It's good.

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01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,719
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think you're wrong, though. All Right, let's

1398
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 2: focus on the Bengals here a little bit. Let's start

1399
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,560
Speaker 2: with I think what is the like, the the baseline

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Speaker 2: test of whether the Bengals are going to be competent

1401
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,759
Speaker 2: this offseason, and that's making a layup. Right, A layup

1402
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 2: is signed Dalton Reisner. He played well, makes up a

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01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 2: good offensive line, says he wants to be here, doesn't

1404
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 2: want to sign late in the game anymore. Why has

1405
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 2: it not been done yet?

1406
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 6: Well, the Bengals always move a bit slower than we

1407
01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 6: would like. I would say that that's that's certainly of it.

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01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 6: And look, I think it does get done, and I'm

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01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 6: not stunn that it's not done on January thirtieth. And

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Speaker 6: I get why fans are focused on this because it's

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Speaker 6: something we've been focused on. You've done that twenty sixteen,

1412
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Speaker 6: Like we've all looked back at twenty sixteen in that

1413
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 6: social media like that was when Kevin Nightley, that was

1414
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 6: his last year in Cincinnati. He leaves, and I was

1415
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 6: reminded of oh, my god. We've been talking about guard

1416
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 6: for the past decade, but not just the Joe Burrow era,

1417
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 6: but pre Joe Burrow era, guard has been an issue.

1418
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 6: And look, Dalton Reisner is a valuable piece because he

1419
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 6: brought stability to a spot that has been a revolving door.

1420
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Speaker 6: And A don't know why they didn't like him earlier

1421
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 6: in the game last year. It really never made sense

1422
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 6: to me. I don't know why he's bounced around the league.

1423
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 6: But here's why I think it gets done, even if

1424
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 6: it does go into the combine, maybe after the combine.

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01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 6: The reason I I think it gets done, though, is

1426
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 6: because he wants to be here and the Bengals need him.

1427
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 6: It's a clear obvious hole if they don't bring him back,

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01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 6: and why would you create a hole like that in

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Speaker 6: a spot that isn't going to cost a ton. You're

1430
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 6: not gonna have to break the bank. He's not the

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Speaker 6: top guard, the Joe Toney of the twenty twenty six

1432
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 6: free agent class, and so if that's the case and

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01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 6: he's going to be reasonably priced, I just think it

1434
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,759
Speaker 6: gets done. I'm confident it gets done. The only question

1435
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 6: is does this bleed into free agency. I hope. It's

1436
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 6: very Mike the Sicky light, and it doesn't get to

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Speaker 6: free agency because if it does well, then obviously there's

1438
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Speaker 6: a chance he could end up elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: If you had to wager an amount of money that

1440
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Speaker 2: matters to you on who the Bengals backup quarterback is

1441
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 2: going to be in twenty twenty six, who'd you say

1442
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 2: it'll be?

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Speaker 6: Man this one? I'm so I'm more common don't Riisner

1444
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 6: returning than I am Joe Flacco? And it's it's not

1445
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 6: because it's not because really everyone focuses on how well

1446
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 6: Joe Flaco is going to have his options and all

1447
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:16,759
Speaker 6: of those things. Fine, the Bengal's really going to spend

1448
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 6: on a backup quarterback? Like really, like, are they going

1449
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 6: to give Joe Flacco the Jared Stidham deal? Two years,

1450
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 6: twelve million dollars? I don't know if they're going to

1451
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,719
Speaker 6: do that. A history would say probably not. I think

1452
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 6: back to the Carson Palmer days and then he wanted

1453
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 6: kit to this day, and I get it, Kittnes still

1454
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 6: wanted to start and all of those things. But like that,

1455
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 6: when the Bengals are spending on Joe Burrow, I think

1456
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 6: they're going to say, oh, well, we should use those

1457
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 6: resources elsewhere, and so that's what's interesting to me. I

1458
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 6: do think they'll bring in a veteran back up. Jake

1459
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 6: Browning does not count. He's restricted, could technically return. I

1460
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 6: don't know if that'll happen. I don't think that should

1461
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 6: happen unless it's that QB three. So the answer is,

1462
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Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know who will be. I

1463
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 6: think it will likely be a veteran. But I'm gonna

1464
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 6: throw this out to you, MO, would you consider drafting one?

1465
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 6: I would. I know, I'm the drafts guy having a

1466
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 6: cost controlled backup that you think can run your offense.

1467
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,759
Speaker 6: If you feel, let's say Dan Pitcher and Zach Taylor

1468
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 6: look and say, hey, this guy could do that, well,

1469
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 6: it wouldn't be bad having a rookie back there that

1470
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 6: you're confident in. And and so, for the first time

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Speaker 6: in the Joe burrow Er, I do think that quarterback

1472
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Speaker 6: should realistically be on the table in the draft.

1473
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Speaker 2: Yes, because I'm looking for a better version of Jake Browning,

1474
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 2: a guy that I could perhaps stash, you know, have

1475
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 2: in my system, develop, teach, have Joe burrow mentor him

1476
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 2: for whatever that's worth, which I think is a lot,

1477
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 2: and then you know, invariably in a year or two,

1478
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 2: I've got my backup and I've got a guy that

1479
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 2: I've groomed, that has been in my system, that is

1480
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 2: a better version. Because look, Browning nothing against what he

1481
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 2: has accomplished, and what he did in twenty twenty three

1482
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 2: was great. He gets a lot of credit for that.

1483
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 2: He was an undrafted guy even when he had success here,

1484
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 2: you know, you had folks who are like man, you

1485
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 2: could trade Jake Browning. The league wasn't beating down the

1486
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 2: Bengals door to get him. The league understands what he is,

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Speaker 2: and so is there a better version of him in

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Speaker 2: the draft? If there is, and I assume there will be,

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Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to the idea because if they accomplish

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Speaker 2: what I think they can accomplish in free agency, and

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Speaker 2: if they accomplish what they should accomplish early in the draft,

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01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 2: then you know you could take a quarterback and have

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01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 2: it not come at the expense of something. So I'm

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01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 2: totally on board with the idea. I'm skeptical that they'll

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01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 2: actually do it. You would know more about that than me,

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01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's a bizarre or sort of

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01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,639
Speaker 2: out of left field perspective. I actually think it's something

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01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 2: that should be very much on the table.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and honestly I would still consider it even if

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01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 6: you do bring back Flaka, and I think Flacco is

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01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 6: going to cost He's a guy that I would around

1502
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 6: the combine, much like Riisener try to offer, say, hey,

1503
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 6: look do you get to throw to if Joe gets hurt,

1504
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 6: come be our backup this year, and what do we

1505
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 6: have to do to get this done. You don't have

1506
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 6: to show up for any of the voluntary stuff. If

1507
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 6: you want to spend time with family whatever. You know,

1508
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 6: if the Bengals should buy a riverfront place in northern

1509
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 6: Kentucky that Joe Flacco can live in, it's during the offsseeason,

1510
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 6: it's needed for the aussee at workouts like whatever. Like

1511
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 6: that's a valuable thing to have. Hey, go there, you

1512
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 6: don't have to stay in a hotel. Here's all the

1513
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 6: amenities like so I would still be on board with that,

1514
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 6: by the way. But yeah, the long term element of

1515
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:49,719
Speaker 6: this is finding not AJ mccerrn, but sort of AJ mccarren,

1516
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 6: having a guy that when Andy went down, AJ was

1517
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 6: able to keep the ship sort of upright. Obviously you

1518
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 6: want the better version of that, and that's hard to find.

1519
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 6: But isn't that way Zach Taylor's. Isn't that what you

1520
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 6: wanted to keep Dan Pitcher is to be able to

1521
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 6: evaluate these guys. So yeah, I think quarterback is a

1522
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:09,599
Speaker 6: need and it should very much be on the table

1523
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:13,719
Speaker 6: in both circumstances, the free agency depending on who obviously Flaco,

1524
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 6: and then obviously the draft as well.

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01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:20,760
Speaker 2: Rank these three players in terms of off season contract

1526
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 2: extension priority, and if you want to add another player

1527
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,679
Speaker 2: to this trio and take one out and feel free,

1528
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 2: I think you know where I'm going here, DJ Turner,

1529
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 2: Dax Hill, and Chase Brown.

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01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 6: So I think most people would probably say DJ, and

1531
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 6: then backs are Chase or DJ, Chase Dax. I think

1532
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 6: about that fifty year option for Dax Hill and he's

1533
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 6: under contract, and I'm like, man, wouldn't it be nice

1534
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 6: to spread that caps it out a little bit? And

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01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 6: I'm getting into the weaves of it a little bit.

1536
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 6: But that's how these angles need to think. They have

1537
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 6: a lot of holes, right, And so how do you

1538
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 6: create more cap space this year? Well, you could sign

1539
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 6: Dax he'll do an extension and rower that cap pit.

1540
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 6: And then maybe that's the difference between getting a Brian Cook,

1541
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 6: who I would very much be in on, and not

1542
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 6: and still being able to address these other players, these

1543
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 6: other spots. So when I look at it, Dax would

1544
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 6: be my priority, and it's because of his contract. I'm

1545
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 6: not saying he's better than DJ. The way DJ's trending

1546
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 6: and tracking. Yeah, you want to get his deal done

1547
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:35,719
Speaker 6: as well, but he's on a second round rookie deal,

1548
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 6: and uh, even with the escalators and everything, he's gonna

1549
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 6: have like a three point six million dollar cap hit.

1550
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 6: So when you sign him to an extension, that's going

1551
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 6: to go up a little bit. So if you get

1552
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:48,600
Speaker 6: backs done first, and I do think it might be

1553
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 6: easier to get backs done, we'll see. I don't know

1554
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 6: that for sure, but if you get backs done first,

1555
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 6: it creates more cap space. So I would prioritize Dax

1556
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 6: then DJ and honestly, Mal. It depends on what Chase

1557
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 6: wants and how realistic it is. Like, I'm not going

1558
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 6: double digit millions per year on a Chase Brown deal

1559
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 6: ten million, eleven million, twelve million. I'm just not doing it.

1560
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 6: And maybe that's foolish, but as of now, that's kind

1561
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 6: of where I'm at with it. If he wants to

1562
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 6: sign three for thirty on top of his year this

1563
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 6: year where he'll make three million, we'll then fine. But

1564
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 6: that's probably about as high as that I would take it.

1565
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 2: James Rapine locked on Bengals podcast Enter the Jungle in

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Speaker 2: Bengals Talk dot com on Twitter of course at James

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Speaker 2: Orpeen hang type. Because there's more I want to ask

1568
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 2: you about. We'll talk about the draft specifically, because I

1569
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 2: know that's going to be your thing. I actually have

1570
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 2: something I want to do, like every couple of weeks

1571
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 2: with you as a draft season unfolds. We'll do the

1572
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Speaker 2: unsponsored weekend tip off coming up as well. My name

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Speaker 2: your Friday afternoon with us on ESPN fifty thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 2: I'm at ezelic with traffic this report. Right around this

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Speaker 2: time on Tuesday of next week, we're going to have

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Speaker 2: a really good interview. I'm not going to jinx it

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Speaker 2: by announcing who is going to be with, but you're

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Speaker 2: gonna want to be here Tuesday, right around this time

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Speaker 2: for what I think is going to be a really

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Speaker 2: fun interview is football and college basketball related. I'll give

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Speaker 2: you that hint, and if it all through, we'll have

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Speaker 2: something else. Hey. Speaking of interviews, we put them all

1594
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app Chad Brendle yesterday and the Bearcats

1595
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 2: was absolutely terrific. James orpen Is also terrific. Locked on

1596
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Speaker 2: Bengals podcast Enter the Jungle of course, and Bengals Talk

1597
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Speaker 2: dot Com. You know, just dovetailing from what we talked

1598
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 2: about before the break the Chase Brown thing, right like,

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01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 2: I love Chase Brown. Every Bengals fan loves Chase Brown.

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01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 2: He's a terrific player, but I do understand like he

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01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:31,560
Speaker 2: is a running back. He's a running back in the

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01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 2: past first offense, and while I don't want to make

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01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 2: it sound like, you know, Chase Brown's or a dime,

1604
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,839
Speaker 2: it doesn't. I feel like, in particular in this offense,

1605
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 2: what he brings to the table, he's not irreplaceable, And

1606
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 2: so I understand and actually share some of the hesitancy

1607
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 2: when it comes to not so much locking into him

1608
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 2: long term, but really making a heavy investment. I guess

1609
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:57,799
Speaker 2: what you have to ask is is is Chase Brown,

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01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 2: in the absence of a contract extension to be a

1611
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 2: headache or where's the headache going to come from? Because

1612
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 2: if there's one thing this franchise is really good at,

1613
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 2: it's kind of creating headaches during the offseason. So I

1614
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 2: guess I go there, right, like, where's the headache gonna

1615
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:16,719
Speaker 2: come from? Is it gonna be Chase, Is it gonna

1616
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:18,600
Speaker 2: be Dax, Is it gonna be DJ Turner? Is it

1617
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 2: gonna be somebody else?

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01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,600
Speaker 6: Chase Brown would probably be the most likely. I'm just

1619
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 6: thinking about how outspoken he is, right, and I love it.

1620
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 6: By the way, to finish map and game like that

1621
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 6: night mindset, that attitude that he had after the Denver game,

1622
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 6: how straight up he is. I could totally see him

1623
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 6: even with him making the rounds over the past week, Oh,

1624
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 6: my team's working hard on getting a deal, like Okay,

1625
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 6: well what's that deal look like? And I could totally

1626
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 6: see the scenario where you look around and Dax gets

1627
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 6: his deal. DJ gets his deal, And I think that's

1628
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 6: the far more important is to keep those two pieces

1629
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 6: on defense, the defense that doesn't have many pieces worth

1630
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 6: keeping or signing to a long term deal. Then going

1631
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 6: after a long term extension with Chase and so would

1632
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 6: that get ugly? Yeah, I mean he knows he's a

1633
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 6: running back. He knows what it could look like if

1634
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 6: he goes out there this year and doesn't perform as

1635
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 6: well and then is set to go to free agency.

1636
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 6: Like it's a tough spot to be in. And the

1637
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 6: last thing that I and the question that I would

1638
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 6: really ask myself upon the Bengals when I think about

1639
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 6: a Chase Brown extension is all right, well you paid

1640
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,600
Speaker 6: tea and he's a pro bowler at the AFC and

1641
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 6: touchdowns obviously, Jamar is probably the best receiver in the game.

1642
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 6: Is Chase Brown in that class of player? If he

1643
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 6: Jamier gives is he the Jon Robinson and I think

1644
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 6: those are the two best running backs in the league

1645
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 6: right now. Christian McCaffrey would have something to say about

1646
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 6: it, and I'd get it. But those are the two? Or

1647
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 6: is he a tier below that? And if he's a

1648
01:31:56,880 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 6: tier below that, then you have your questions. Oh yeah,

1649
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 6: I think Chase Brown could potentially be the headache. I

1650
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:06,720
Speaker 6: hope not, though, because if I'm him, I would look

1651
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 6: at it and say, man, I could have eighteen hundred

1652
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 6: yards from scrimmage in this offense. I could be I

1653
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 6: could show that I'm one of those dudes. If he

1654
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 6: does that, then he's probably getting plaid somewhere.

1655
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, James the penis with us for another few minutes.

1656
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 2: Let's let's look ahead. So let's talk free agency. You

1657
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:27,600
Speaker 2: mentioned a name you know selfishly and purely as a

1658
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:29,599
Speaker 2: fan like Brian Cook is one of my all time

1659
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 2: favorite UC players. He's a guy that in Kansas City,

1660
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 2: even being a Bengals fan, I've rooted for and I've

1661
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:38,559
Speaker 2: I've watched him go. From a guy that you know,

1662
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 2: there are a lot of folks that thought maybe the

1663
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 2: Chiefs reached when they took him in twenty twenty two,

1664
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 2: and he's blossomed. So if you could tell me I

1665
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 2: could have Brian Cook and that's the guy that I'm

1666
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 2: going to replace Geno Stone with. Hell yeah. But if

1667
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 2: I said to you today, with more than a month

1668
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:58,599
Speaker 2: ago before the league year opens, the one free agent

1669
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 2: that would be at the very top of years, regardless

1670
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 2: of position, regardless of which side of the ball, name them.

1671
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 2: Who is it?

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01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 6: Odafe Oway? And you're talking about a mid twenties pass

1673
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 6: rusher that maybe his betdis are in front of him.

1674
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:21,679
Speaker 6: You could certainly say that I think he's the type

1675
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,679
Speaker 6: of guy. Now he's, for my money, the top pass

1676
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 6: rusher when you consider age and Trey Hendrickson would would

1677
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 6: argue it's him, And I did it because today Trey

1678
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 6: is better. Over the next four years, which one would

1679
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 6: be better? Oha would be better? I think, So, yeah,

1680
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 6: that's the guy. And if you get a guy like that,

1681
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 6: and you have Miles Murphy and Shamar Stewart takes a

1682
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 6: step and you take it a couple of defensive linemen

1683
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 6: in the trap, Suddenly your defensive line room feels a

1684
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:52,800
Speaker 6: lot different. So yeah, adafe Oa, he would be the guy.

1685
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:57,799
Speaker 6: First rounder, has been productive, hasn't had crazy sax seasons,

1686
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 6: but you know you'll get you seven eight. Well, maybe

1687
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:03,479
Speaker 6: this is the year he gets your twelve. Maybe this

1688
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 6: is the year he takes a lead, and so that

1689
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:09,880
Speaker 6: would be the guy. Well, the Bengals swim in those waters.

1690
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 6: I'm not sure, but last year at this time they

1691
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 6: clearly should have been in on the Milton Williams of

1692
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 6: the world, the top defensive tackle, and he got paid

1693
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 6: a ton. But like, now's the time to go find

1694
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 6: that that piece, and in a weak free agent class overall,

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01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 6: I think odafe Oa would be the guy. And even

1696
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 6: if you did get him, by the way, you can

1697
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:32,759
Speaker 6: still get Brian Cook. You can still get whatever linebacker

1698
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 6: you're thinking of. These Bengals need to really push the

1699
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:43,600
Speaker 6: envelope here now, and that means making significant additions, not

1700
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 6: just a oh well this fits this void, this fills

1701
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:49,840
Speaker 6: that void. No, like real studs, they need to be

1702
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 6: swimming in those waters. Brian Cook is a stud at safety,

1703
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 6: That's why I mentioned him, and odafe Oa at defensive

1704
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:58,599
Speaker 6: end would do wonders at pay Corse Stadium.

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01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 2: So you're right, got to be aggressive. Aggressive. For me,

1706
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 2: being bold means you have new starting linebackers in twenty

1707
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 2: twenty six. What are the odds they actually do that

1708
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 2: after they've invested a year and two picks in Knight

1709
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:13,639
Speaker 2: and Carter.

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01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 6: Two new starting linebackers. Virtually low, very low. I would say,

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01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 6: I think they should bring someone in. I think you're

1712
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 6: still open the drafting one too, and that might be

1713
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 6: the path to it. Let's say they bring in a

1714
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,719
Speaker 6: Leos and all or in sort whoever to Mario Davis,

1715
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 6: let's say whatever, and that guy comes in and is starting.

1716
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 6: And then in the draft, Jacob Bradriguez is there in

1717
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:43,639
Speaker 6: round three and that's probably where you'd have to take him.

1718
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 6: And he comes in and he's just ready to go,

1719
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:50,759
Speaker 6: like he feels like Logan Wilson in twenty twenty where

1720
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 6: he can contribute right away and he's got the speed

1721
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 6: and the athleticism to cover and all those things. Well,

1722
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 6: then I can see it. But that was the problem

1723
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 6: with last year's draft, and that's what sucks, and that's

1724
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 6: why I've harked on it, and I've probably talked about

1725
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 6: Demetrius Night Junior more than anyone on the planet, maybe

1726
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,759
Speaker 6: including his family. And it's unfortunate because it's not personal,

1727
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 6: but it really put the Bengals in a tough spot

1728
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:15,479
Speaker 6: where now they're like, oh, well, we have this second

1729
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 6: rounder and Bart Carter is the one way in the

1730
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 6: green down. Bart Cautter is the one communicating and supposed

1731
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 6: to be this long term leader on the defense, And

1732
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 6: so they put themselves in an awkward spot where I

1733
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 6: do think one of those guys ends up starting. But

1734
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:32,439
Speaker 6: I agree with you. You've got to get more, more physical,

1735
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:35,640
Speaker 6: more proven, and just better linebackers.

1736
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 2: One more. I could ask you this question every week

1737
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:43,640
Speaker 2: for the next twelve weeks and I might get a

1738
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 2: different answer. Who is your favorite possible pike at number

1739
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:47,599
Speaker 2: ten overall?

1740
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 7: Oh?

1741
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:50,840
Speaker 6: Man, Yeah, it's so early, and.

1742
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 2: I know it's early. I know you're just getting started.

1743
01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:56,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I am no, but it's okay. It's a

1744
01:36:56,840 --> 01:37:02,800
Speaker 6: good one. It's to me the three guys that are

1745
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:05,799
Speaker 6: just so intriguing right now and it's going to change

1746
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 6: and it's a popular three. But if you tell me

1747
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:14,639
Speaker 6: that Caleb Downs can come in and just be this leader,

1748
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 6: this guy that knows where to go, can be versatile.

1749
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 6: Compare with Brian Cook and give you one of the

1750
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 6: best safety tandems in the league. And that would be

1751
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 6: my mindset. By the way, I wouldn't shy away from

1752
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 6: Caleb Downs just because you sign a safety and free

1753
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 6: agency and I'm making that very clear Bengals, So just

1754
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:35,240
Speaker 6: so you know, and that doesn't mean Jordan Battle can't play.

1755
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 6: Somebody's at the end of his rookie deal. So that

1756
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 6: would be one. I'm going to talk about two other guys.

1757
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 6: Ruben Bain is just nasty. I mean, I know the

1758
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:48,639
Speaker 6: arm lenk stuff, but you look at him and he's

1759
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 6: not Gino, Like that's not what I'm trying to say,

1760
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:53,799
Speaker 6: but like Gino wasn't small. You know, Atkins wasn't small.

1761
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 6: He was short, and when you saw Gino, You're like, oh, well,

1762
01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:01,760
Speaker 6: it's just bowling ball. And I look at Rubyen Bain

1763
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 6: and I get it. He's not going to necessarily be

1764
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 6: a defensive tackle in the league. And though some think bad,

1765
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,519
Speaker 6: but it's the same way, Like I don't think Ruben

1766
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 6: Bain is small. He's just a little shorter than the

1767
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 6: Bengals would usually go for in his arm length is

1768
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 6: an issue. Guess what. Guess who's arm length was an

1769
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 6: issue when he was being drafted Trey Henderson's and so

1770
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:22,320
Speaker 6: I look at Ruben Bain and I think he'd be

1771
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 6: ready to go and contribute right away. And then the

1772
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:28,960
Speaker 6: other one just juice as a pass rusher, David Bailey.

1773
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:33,320
Speaker 6: He's not as physically imposing, just a guy that can

1774
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 6: get after the passer like you could use that, especially

1775
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 6: with the shamar Stewarts and Miles Murphy's of the world.

1776
01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:42,040
Speaker 6: That would fit. And so those are the three. If

1777
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 6: I had to pick one today, Mo, it would be

1778
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 6: Bain and I just one. I love the idea of Baine.

1779
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 6: Can you imagine the Dark Knight Rises clips that they

1780
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 6: could play at pay Course Stadium after he makes a

1781
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 6: sack like so that would be fun. And I just

1782
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 6: think he's got me the attitude and presence in my

1783
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 6: like it just it's fits. So if there was a

1784
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 6: guy today, Ruben Baine Junior out of Miami, if he's

1785
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:09,720
Speaker 6: there at ten, you do the Bain dance and you

1786
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:11,719
Speaker 6: you get up to the podium and you make that pick.

1787
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:15,639
Speaker 2: In all seriousness Like that to me tells me they're

1788
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 2: they're getting away from leaning in on traits and looking

1789
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:20,320
Speaker 2: more at what the dude puts on film, which was

1790
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 2: the big discussion after Shamar Stewart and and you're you're

1791
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 2: always gonna want to look at measurables. You're always going

1792
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 2: to be interested in in what kind of physical specimen

1793
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 2: you're investing in. But like if, if if the big

1794
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:36,800
Speaker 2: discussion last year was lean into what's on film, then

1795
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 2: you're doing that with Ruben Bain. I love it. You've

1796
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 2: been awesome with your time. I appreciate it. I'm sure

1797
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 2: I'll bother you soon. Man, thanks so much.

1798
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:47,599
Speaker 6: I didn't name a wide receiver at Ken they tuned.

1799
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:51,160
Speaker 6: That could happen. You never know.

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01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:54,600
Speaker 2: We have three months. We have three months. Yes, trust me,

1801
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:58,720
Speaker 2: I might do this. I might do this where like

1802
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:01,639
Speaker 2: I like, I check with you. Let's maybe every two

1803
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:03,880
Speaker 2: weeks just to go, okay, you know who is it

1804
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 2: this week? Maybe we'll do that. We'll see you're the man,

1805
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:07,760
Speaker 2: Thanks so much.

1806
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 6: It would be a little prospect spotlight. I'm in. I

1807
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:12,639
Speaker 6: appreciate you. MO see you too.

1808
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 2: That's our guy and alum of this show. James Orpene

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Speaker 2: of a Bengals fix with me. Earlier this week on

1812
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Speaker 2: the Mockoff Season was terrific. So were Chase Brown and

1813
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Speaker 2: t Higgins. Interviewed them both this week. You can find

1814
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Speaker 2: that interview, those interviews and so much more on the

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Speaker 2: See, I'm already getting text. Who's the interview gonna be

1838
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:51,479
Speaker 2: with Tuesday? Right around five twenty? Who's it gonna be?

1839
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:55,320
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I don't believe in Jenson's. I don't

1840
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 2: believe in Jenson's. I'm not a superstitious person. I don't

1841
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 2: believe in announcer Ja says. You know, I went to

1842
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 2: the Miami basketball game on Tuesday night, and I was

1843
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 2: prepared if they lost that game, which for a brief

1844
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:11,640
Speaker 2: while was at least a possibility, I was prepared to

1845
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:14,360
Speaker 2: hear how I was a Jinx and I don't believe

1846
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:17,080
Speaker 2: in Jinx's. I would not have been the reason. I'm

1847
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:19,840
Speaker 2: not the reason they won, am I No? So I

1848
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:22,400
Speaker 2: would not have been the reason they lost. Not that said,

1849
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:26,719
Speaker 2: there's a good interview. I'm saying this because I haven't

1850
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:31,479
Speaker 2: won thousand percent secured it. I've about ninety five percent

1851
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:34,160
Speaker 2: secured it. But I think it's going to be a

1852
01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:36,840
Speaker 2: good interview and I'm looking forward to it. But I'm

1853
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 2: not gonna say who it is until I won thousand percent,

1854
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:43,559
Speaker 2: no for sure, and then once I do, we'll let

1855
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Speaker 2: NKU is at Detroit Mercy, first of back to back

1860
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Speaker 2: games in the state of Michigan in the Greater Detroit

1861
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:09,000
Speaker 2: area for the Norse. NKU won this first matchup. Won

1862
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:10,880
Speaker 2: the first match up between these two teams by twenty

1863
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Speaker 2: five points. The last couple of games, the Norse on

1864
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:16,919
Speaker 2: the defensive end of the floor, remember it's not defensive

1865
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:19,400
Speaker 2: side of the ball in basketball, on the defensive end

1866
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 2: of the floor have given up ninety two and eighty eight.

1867
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:25,640
Speaker 2: Gave up eighty eight at Wright State on Saturday. The

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01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 2: Norse shot fifty five percent in that game, which is

1869
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:31,320
Speaker 2: typically good enough to get a win. They fell behind

1870
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 2: by seventeen points. They allowed the Raiders to shoot thirty

1871
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:38,120
Speaker 2: six free throws. Not good enough. NKU is two and

1872
01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:40,679
Speaker 2: a half games at a first place in the Horizon League,

1873
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 2: trailing both Wright State and Oakland. The Norse play Oakland

1874
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Speaker 2: on Sunday, so a chance to gain a game headhead

1875
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:53,759
Speaker 2: against the Grizzlies. First things first. NKU and Detroit Mercy

1876
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:56,880
Speaker 2: in Detroit tonight, seven o'clock. Here's your tip off on

1877
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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. Very quietly. The Saint Louis Billikins are

1878
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:06,240
Speaker 2: twenty to one and they're a point away from being undefeated.

1879
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Speaker 2: Tonight they host the latest edition of the arch Baron Cup.

1880
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:15,360
Speaker 2: Rivalry is the Dayton Flyers visit Saint Louis UD, looking

1881
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Speaker 2: to avoid its first four game losing streak in twelve years. Now.

1882
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Speaker 2: You know what they did twelve years ago. If you're

1883
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Speaker 2: a Dayton fan, you're nodding along. You know what they

1884
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:27,800
Speaker 2: did twelve years ago? That's right, they made the Elite eight?

1885
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:31,000
Speaker 2: Are they gonna make the Elite eight this year? I'll

1886
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:33,320
Speaker 2: settle for a win at Saint Louis. If you haven't

1887
01:44:33,320 --> 01:44:37,320
Speaker 2: seen the Billickans yet, they play fast, which, let's be honest,

1888
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 2: that's not the Saint Louis brand going back decades. But

1889
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:45,800
Speaker 2: they play fast, They're really good defensively. Dayton Hot and

1890
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:49,439
Speaker 2: Cold win their first five A ten games, lose their

1891
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:52,679
Speaker 2: next three A ten games. They blew a fifteen point

1892
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 2: lead the other night against Rhode Island. They tip off

1893
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:58,760
Speaker 2: at eight o'clock tonight in Saint Louis. Tomorrow it's Cincinnati

1894
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:01,400
Speaker 2: and Houston. I think if you're a Bearcat fan, you

1895
01:45:01,400 --> 01:45:03,000
Speaker 2: don't need me to remind you what happened in the

1896
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:05,439
Speaker 2: first game. These two teams were tied at sixty three

1897
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 2: and a half to go. Bearcats never scored again. Kog's

1898
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 2: win sixty seven to sixty Kingston Fleming. If I was

1899
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 2: a fan of an NBA team that was going to

1900
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:18,000
Speaker 2: have a top five pick, I would be watching Kingston

1901
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:22,400
Speaker 2: Flemings closely had forty two in Houston's loss to Texas Tech.

1902
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:25,680
Speaker 2: The Cougars bounce back the other night against TCU on

1903
01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:29,160
Speaker 2: the road with what just felt like the quintessential Houston game.

1904
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:32,240
Speaker 2: I talk about the Cougars all the time. Look, they

1905
01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:36,800
Speaker 2: have stolen the Bearcats brand, right, But I think it's

1906
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:40,559
Speaker 2: really hard. It's hard to have a program identity, Like

1907
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 2: if you're a UC fan, to me, for those nearly

1908
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 2: three decades where the Bearcats were NCAA tournament mainstays, there

1909
01:45:47,680 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 2: was a clear, constant, year in, year out identity. But

1910
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit easier to have that

1911
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:57,200
Speaker 2: when you don't have unending roster turnover in a day

1912
01:45:57,200 --> 01:46:01,480
Speaker 2: and age of roster turnover has carved out an identity.

1913
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:05,360
Speaker 2: You know in your mind's eye, you know what a

1914
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:10,719
Speaker 2: Houston player looks like. Right. They're tough, they're fundamentally sound.

1915
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:14,040
Speaker 2: They're awesome on both ends of the floor. There's not

1916
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 2: a lot of like offensive and defensive specialists in Kelvin

1917
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:22,120
Speaker 2: Samson's program. They're smart. In recent years, they've gotten really

1918
01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:25,000
Speaker 2: good at running stuff. You think about when Houston first

1919
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 2: got good in the AAC, their offense was throw it

1920
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:30,400
Speaker 2: up against the backboard and go get it. They can

1921
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 2: still go get it. The Bearcats saw that firsthand. But

1922
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:35,880
Speaker 2: it's so interesting to me watching them. They had times

1923
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 2: use the entire shot clock and yet still get a good,

1924
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:43,160
Speaker 2: not rushed, not panicked shot. So they're eighteen and two

1925
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:45,920
Speaker 2: Bearcats have their hands full. Brenda talked about this with

1926
01:46:45,960 --> 01:46:49,760
Speaker 2: me yesterday. That first game at fifth third, it was

1927
01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:52,519
Speaker 2: there for the taking for Cincinnati. Do you get two

1928
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:55,880
Speaker 2: chances like that. Hopefully the answer is yes. We'll find

1929
01:46:55,880 --> 01:46:58,920
Speaker 2: out tomorrow at twelve o'clock. You talk about games there

1930
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:01,960
Speaker 2: for the taking, Xavier's last three, each one of them

1931
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:05,839
Speaker 2: there for the taking, Creighton on the road, Saint John's

1932
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:09,559
Speaker 2: here last Saturday, very much there for the taking, having

1933
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:12,639
Speaker 2: an eleven point lead in Newark against Seaton Hall. Now,

1934
01:47:13,160 --> 01:47:15,720
Speaker 2: one thing that has happened with the Musketeers this year

1935
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:18,759
Speaker 2: when they've lost a tough one, they typically have bounced

1936
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:21,559
Speaker 2: back with at least a good effort. I heard Paul Frischner,

1937
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:23,320
Speaker 2: our guy who we got to get on the show

1938
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 2: here soon, maybe next week, mister college basketball. I heard

1939
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:29,599
Speaker 2: him say something to Mike Petrellia last night on Sports

1940
01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:32,120
Speaker 2: Talk down the Hall that I think is true with

1941
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:35,800
Speaker 2: every Xavier basketball game, you have no idea what you're

1942
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:38,320
Speaker 2: going to get. First time the Muskies played to Paul,

1943
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 2: they lost eighty six to seventy seven. Let's be honest.

1944
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:45,280
Speaker 2: If you don't want this to unravel, you gotta get

1945
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:49,800
Speaker 2: this one at home. Three straight losses behind you, road

1946
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:53,559
Speaker 2: games in front of you against Yukon and Saint John's.

1947
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:57,720
Speaker 2: Tip off at one o'clock tomorrow Louisville has mckel brown back.

1948
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:00,840
Speaker 2: They were throttled over the final thirty minutes against Duke

1949
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:03,760
Speaker 2: the other night. I am not entirely sure of what

1950
01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:06,560
Speaker 2: to make of Louisville's team. Early in the season. You

1951
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:09,120
Speaker 2: would watch him in Burst and believe with that backcourt,

1952
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:12,720
Speaker 2: Final four caliber team. I've watched him in Burse obviously

1953
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:15,519
Speaker 2: at times with that mcl brown and I've thought, I'm

1954
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:17,840
Speaker 2: not sure that's an NCAA tournament team. We'll see if

1955
01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:22,120
Speaker 2: they bounce back tomorrow against smu. Ohio State is a

1956
01:48:22,280 --> 01:48:25,840
Speaker 2: very quiet fourteen and six and a very quiet six

1957
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:29,160
Speaker 2: and four in the Big Ten. They take on Wisconsin.

1958
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:32,640
Speaker 2: Bruce Thornton's one of those guys that it feels like

1959
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:35,400
Speaker 2: he's been playing college basketball for a thousand years. I

1960
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:38,600
Speaker 2: think they have a really talented starting five. You just

1961
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:41,160
Speaker 2: wait for a little bit more from the buck Eyes.

1962
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 2: Perhaps we see it tomorrow. Indiana coming off that big

1963
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:49,400
Speaker 2: win over Purdue, We'll take on UCLA tomorrow. Miami looks

1964
01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:52,160
Speaker 2: for a twenty second consecutive win to start the season.

1965
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 2: Big day tomorrow at Malett Hall. The great Ron Harper

1966
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:57,919
Speaker 2: is going to be in attendance, getting an honorary degree,

1967
01:48:58,120 --> 01:49:03,000
Speaker 2: Redhawk's taking on Northern Illino, looking to remain unbeaten, looking

1968
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 2: to improve to twenty two to zero. This is my

1969
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:10,639
Speaker 2: It's not even a hot take. First of all, remember

1970
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:12,360
Speaker 2: the Buffalo game a week and a half ago where

1971
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:15,240
Speaker 2: they nearly lost. They go play the Bulls on Tuesday.

1972
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 2: So before we talk about an undefeated finish, two things

1973
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:22,000
Speaker 2: have to happen. One, Travis Steels team has to play

1974
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:25,120
Speaker 2: better defense. He admitted that on this show on Monday,

1975
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 2: and then they didn't defend all that well against UMAs.

1976
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:31,880
Speaker 2: Number Two, after they take on Northern Illinois tomorrow in

1977
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:35,240
Speaker 2: a game they should win, should they're gonna have their

1978
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:38,920
Speaker 2: hands full in the return engagement against Buffalo. I hate

1979
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:42,400
Speaker 2: to say this, I believe that finishing the regular season

1980
01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:45,960
Speaker 2: undefeated will not be enough to get Miami an at

1981
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:49,080
Speaker 2: large bid in the NCAA Tournament. Now, hopefully this ends

1982
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:51,839
Speaker 2: up being a moot point because they win the MAC Tournament.

1983
01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:55,679
Speaker 2: That schedule with three games that they've played that aren't

1984
01:49:55,680 --> 01:49:58,559
Speaker 2: gonna count on their resume is going to hurt them.

1985
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:01,240
Speaker 2: And I think it's gonna be interesting to hear how

1986
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:03,799
Speaker 2: this is talked about. If you have an undefeated men's

1987
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 2: college basketball team in the regular season doesn't make the

1988
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:10,120
Speaker 2: NCAA Tournament as an at large again, hopefully it's a

1989
01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:14,160
Speaker 2: moot point. First things first, the RedHawks and Northern Illinois

1990
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:18,040
Speaker 2: at Mallett Hall tomorrow at three point thirty. It's the

1991
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:21,600
Speaker 2: John Caliperry Bowl two point zero. I guess Kentucky is

1992
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:25,040
Speaker 2: at Arkansas right now? How many Wildcat fans would love

1993
01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:27,760
Speaker 2: to have John Caliperry back. The Mark Pope thing. Look,

1994
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:31,000
Speaker 2: they had won five consecutive games going into that tilt

1995
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:35,640
Speaker 2: against Vanderbilt, and obviously the Wildcats roster has been depleted

1996
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:39,840
Speaker 2: big time because of injury. Still blatantly non competitive against

1997
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:44,960
Speaker 2: the Commodores. If that continues tomorrow, the U at least

1998
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:48,240
Speaker 2: from a public perspective, that hot seat that Mark Pope

1999
01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:51,920
Speaker 2: seems to be on is it's going to be hotter

2000
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:55,120
Speaker 2: than hot whatever that is. Arkansas is led by Darius Akuff.

2001
01:50:55,160 --> 01:50:56,920
Speaker 2: If I rooted for an NBA team that was going

2002
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 2: to pick anywhere between six and ten in this year's

2003
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:04,040
Speaker 2: I would be watching Darius Acuff very very closely. You

2004
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:06,240
Speaker 2: know what the good news is, for all of their issues,

2005
01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:08,600
Speaker 2: I don't root for a team that's going to be

2006
01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:11,559
Speaker 2: picking in the lottery. So that's good. Six thirty Tomorrow

2007
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Speaker 2: Kentucky at Arkansas on ESPN fifteen thirty. Pre game coverage

2008
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Speaker 2: begins at five pm. There it is the unsponsored weekend

2009
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Speaker 2: tip off thanks to perhaps a brand new sponsor. Next

2010
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Speaker 2: week on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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2023
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2024
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2025
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Speaker 2: don't forget to stick around for MKU basketball tonight is

2026
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2027
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2028
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